[ inaudible question ] >> during the course of the investigation we developed information that had been discussed by the men -- prior to their escape. the possibility of going to vermont and finding a location in vermont. i'm not prepared to go into where. >> reporter: did you eliminate of the convicts had a relationship that was inappropriate with the civilian or with the corrections officer at the prison? >> i think the governor confirmed that. we have spoken to the female that the media reported on. as she was befriended or befriended the inmates and may have had a role in assisting. i'm not prepared to go into details. >> it was true she was supposed to pick them up? >> i'm not prepared to go into those details.

we're going on the premise we don't know if they left the state or the area. we take it serious search in this area as we did in the hillsborough, vermont or anywhere else. until we have them in custody, we're not going discount any of it. as the governor said they could have had a pretty good lead on us but we can't confirm whether they took advantage of that or not. that was new york governor giving an update on the prison break in new york. we will continue to follow the manhunt. we're also following jeb bush's overseas tour! totally unrelated. with bumps in the 2016 strategy making for a turbulent campaign bush is going after president obama for his strategy in iraq. right now the president is

meeting with ash carter at the white house. their meeting comes hours after an announcement that the u.s. will send an additional 450 military personnel to iraq to train an advise iraqi forces. asked today in berlin about reports of the added forces, bush moved randly through at least stages of political response from hesitation to knee-jerk criticism, to reluctant accord. >> i have believed that the efforts to date haven't been strategic. we don't have a strategy. this may be the beginning of a strategy. this is welcome news if this is a commitment from a strategic point of view to take out isis. >> bush's lackluster performance on his foreign foray reinforced a general precampaign fizzle. politics professor writes everyone can see that jeb bush is doing poorly so far. he's in a much worse position than his father was in 1987 or

his brother was in 1999. this bush intimidates no one. joining me now visiting professor at nyu and msnbc political analyst harold ford, junior. steve and lawrence o'donnell. gentleman, lawrence o'donnell. thank you. >> you're not going to separate it here? >> three shall we say. how is the jeb bush campaign -- not really campaign campaign going? >> it is fascinating watching. when he has to answer a question extemporaneous extemporaneously. you see if the debates were held today, he would be beaten by every other candidate on the stage. >> it is amazing to me harrold ford junior. >> professor. >> professor harold ford jr. he hasn't figured the out the

iraq answer the one behind him, which is his brother's war, and the one in front which is what we do next. >> there's no doubt he would lose to a variety of candidates as lawrence aptly said. i think a lot of republicans and some democrats are surprised the most basic questions, the most over questions from immigration to the war to other issues that wrangled republican base he seems to be uncomfortable. almost as if surprised the question might have been asked. i think people view him as a smart, capable, confident guy. thus far those characteristics haven't come through in any clear and convincing way. >> and the choice to go overseas and to be so uncomfortable answering foreign policy questions, to say nothing of reconciling yourself with the bush legacy by the way matters a lot in europe. people still think of george w. bush as not a great president. it's very tangible. what does that speak to his campaign which has seen a shake

up in staffing? >> no one showing him the polling and studies what republican voters think of him. i spend a lot of time traveling to primary states and jeb bush has become sort of the take a break check your phone, go to the bathroom speaker for convince convincecon convention conventions. he's the least exciting. i've seen it in south carolina. lindsey graham will get people irritated. jeb they're indifferent about. he's not inevitable. you're seeing a out of poll today he lost ground to marco rubio there. >> from 15 point lead in march to six points now, i think this is unfath mble for a lot of people who looked at mario rubio, too young, inexperienced, financial problems the same sort of you're going to hammer on barack obama's inexperience. marco rubio has the same problem and is from florida. >> that poll i think, is the collapse of jeb bush more than the rise of marco rubio.

marco rubio is just the alternative name toonce you decide i'm not for bush. >> what about john cay sick? he hired john weaver and fred davis who is famous for his demon sheep ad but seen as a good ad maker. he could be an establishment alternative if you don't like jeb bush. nobody has talked about him thus far, as he said in new hampshire on thursday i thought jeb was going to suck all the air out of the room and it hasn't happened. >> i served with john in the house. i believed for a long time his résumé his person would be something that would attract a lot of republicans. he's, no doubt, going to benefit. i agree with lawrence's analysis of the rubio piece. he's won twice in ohio. obviously a critical state. he won in a lot of democratic places. he got beat up early on by the unions for something he

attempted to do. he may be the only one to retreat, learn, and move forward. on paper he looks good. jeb looks good on paper, also. if john gets out and face the hard pitching that gets at you and get hit one or two times, we'll see how he reacts. he benefits from governor's trips. >> i think he resembles bush from 2000. no republican nominee can go to the base and say they made comprises, want to spend more on education, medicaid and john does that. it's been a long time really. it's been since 2004 since republicans got through an election that was the message they got through. and the country is not more right wing -- >> no. if anything, he probably has a stronger argument than jeb because he moderated on policies people live under. >> we've seen him in the national spotlight before. he did "meet the press" and the big time stuff. jeb was a mystery. i had never seen him in public

speaking before he became a presidential candidate. i was accepting the notion this is the real -- this is the smart one, as they say. and i was waiting, okay, is he going to say anything half smart? >> well, listen i will say i was impressed he's gotten up to rooms full of conservatives and said i believe in a path to citizenship. he won't back down from the common core stuff. on certain issues he has been the, i mean, and people will argue he's not actually truly a moderate in some senses. he's taken a more palatable path for the national campaign. >> but if you're going to defy the base of the party in any way -- >> you have to -- >> yeah. you have to hold it with something. >> the wild factor for governor jeb bush might be i can win. lawrence has seen the campaigns go up-and-down. is he taking the hits now and getting any better? i think part of the concern among a lot of republicans they don't see him getting better. they see the hits coming but they don't see it.

how do you take three attempts to answer a question about iraq? >> a question you should have known was going to be asked. >> i have no doubt he might have misheard. how does it take you two after that? those are the kinds of things i think republicans and democrats are watching closely as they watch this. >> i think the gop race needs at least one more candidate. there are ten announced and five more to come. the new hampshire gop or 50 new hampshire gop lawmakers, i should say, are protesting fox news and it is sort of floated debate rule about meeting a certain percentage in five national polls to make it to the stage. they're suggesting that you divide the debate into two different debates. no one has said bleachers yet. i think that's the most viable option. or maybe a human pyramid. that's nothing. i mean, that's not everybody there. i see disaster looming, dave what do you see?

>> they have not figured out the trump problem. >> there is no trump problem. he's not a candidate. he's never going to be a candidate. >> if he's not a candidate, no problem. that's right. >> or the ben carson problem. >> that, too. but see people in the early states if you talk to iowa and new hampshire they would prefer it is based on who is polling strongly. carson is polling stronger than kaish. there's no way to bring in carly without bringing the people they think embarrassed the party. priebus committed early on to making the circus. there's no way too get the face of the party they want. bobby jindal whatever you think of him now was promoted years ago as somebody they can propose he's not going make it in. >> you can't have 20 people on a stage. is anybody talking seriously about carly being the nominee, lawrence? >> if you need voters -- >> someone over there just

keeled over. we heard the sound. >> iowa voters met her and like her. they take her seriously. they're the people who count 100 times more than everybody else does. >> the party wants her. they want her on the stage. targeting hillary the whole time he's on the stage. >> and they want ben carson for similar reasons. >> they're going to have to give up the ghost on that. there's no way you can have your cake and eat it, too. >> they may try. i think the chairman of the party is trying as hard as he can to avoid the repeats of the last two election cycles. the cast of characters and the volume i think, will make it impossible to do. >> this tells me the rnc has no sway. the fact that a thousand people are running for president in the year. they were like this is the year we focus on the winners. >> i would ask david lawrence and you does it maybe not bode well for jeb if the characters get out there and seem to be lacking seriousness,

thoughtfulness, ability to appeal to the people in the middle is poor performance and poor speakers. does he emerge in stronger terms because of this? >> not the way he's playing now. >> no. he has to get better still. >> he's the main stream candidate. if you look at polling he's weaker than rand paul in most of the polls i've seen. pennsylvania, new hampshire, all the swing state polls the message rand paul has been able to sell through the press, frankly, goes better than jeb. jeb does hoshrribly. >> john may help because he takes votes from scott walker. i don't know if that's true. >> they want to believe that the votes will come from scott walker and not from -- >> i hear you. >> so far it's been less wow and a lot more whoa! right? >> see how i did that? >> that's why. thank you as always lawrence

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just hours ago the lawyer for former mckinney, texas police officer casebolt -- video shows him forcefully handcuff, and drug his gun on a group of black teens. after >> his first call was a suicide at the apartment complex where an african-american male had

shot himself in the head at a pool side in the apartment complex. the male had done so in the presence of his family. immediately thereafter he responded to a second suicide call. eric's compassion during these two incidents are a testament to his character that all the officers who work for the mckinney police department. >> alongside this explanation case bolt's attorney pushed back on allegations that race played a factor. >> eric's actions at the neighborhood were only an attempt to investigate the reports of violent assault. he was not targeting minorities. >> casebolt resigned longer and no longer a department employee. he'll reportedly keep his pension benefits. no decision has been made on criminal charges. joining us now is columbia university professor.

lawrence just let's start first with the context this afternoon the suicide calls. what does that tell you? >> well, look i've been studying these cases since the 1980s. in every case when there is a public explanation at some point, they begin with what the officer was doing before. they do it for good and bad reasons. one of the bad reasons, they're trying to create a sympathy that will color the way you look at the decisions the police officer then makes at the shooting scene or whatever the situation is. okay. here is the problem with this particular version of it. suicide calls tragically are routine police work. i mean, it's a job i wouldn't want to have. but it is a routine part of it. when you say i had a couple of suicide calls then i had to respond to a kids' pool party and i was in no emotional condition to respond to the pool party. i say i understand. that's why you shouldn't be a police officer. because this is all part of it. it would be like your airline

pilot saying we have horrible turbulence over the rookies, when we came in for the landing i hasn't gotten over it yet. sorry. here is another big problem with that. the lawyer was asked the question and didn't answer. of the other dozen or the other 11 police officers who responded to the scene how many had already responded to both or one of those suicide cases? >> exactly. >> and they behaved well. you know in the department that small it was at least one, two, or more of those officers on the scene. very likely had been at those suicide calls, also. >> ja mel, the protestations that race was not a factor here. the lawyer went out of her way to say that eric casebolt also detained a white woman. your thoughts on that? >> i kind of see it as a bit irrelevant. it doesn't erase the fact that the young african-american woman was detained in a very aggressive way. she was thrown to the ground, hand handcuffed.

he put his knee on her back. if the white teen was arrested much more calmly more reasonably or detained more reasonably it isn't much of a defense at all. it makes it look even worse. >> the selectivity apparent on at least the video tape where some of the video shot was shot by white teens. they weren't stopped from taking video. black teens were. the folks he's yelling, targeting are black teens. >> right. black teens. i want to add to what was said. the argument you hear on the cases it is not the character of the officer. it's out of character. what we know is these incidents are situational. it is about that particular interaction and that situation. people can act all sorts of ways. in this situation, he acted with racial bias. he acted over aggressively and he might argue he acted in terms

of sexual violent in terms of sexual assault. i don't care about his character. i care about what he did to those kids in that particular situation. he needs to be held accountable for that. >> i guess, lawrence is the resignation with pension and benefits enough in this? do you think it ends there? >> it's not up to me. i want to say one thing. one thing with the press conference got right was that the lawyer said he wants to apologize. she used the word apologize. that is a rare thing. i mean, if you want to go to the archives here. let's find the last time the police officers, representative of the police officers said anything with the word apology in it. people will start picking apart the apology because it was a little bit phrased -- it was phrased off center and said i apologize to anyone who was offended. it was like wait a minute. then the lawyer was asked what is he apologizeing for? but they did have that moment. in the history of these things

it is an incredibly rare moment. she used the word regret on his part. he took a step forward in the right direction. but there are more steps to take. >> when we talk about where these sort of -- where incidents of police brutality or excessive force happen and we look at sort of racial injustice, mckinney is supposed to be different, right? money magazine named it the number one best place to live in america. it is seen as sort of middle class and racially balanced or not balanced but racially diversish. the question i feel like we should be asking is how integrated are the communities. time and time again we're told well it is 50/50 white black or 70/30 but there's still color lines. i mean, the white community -- there is informal segregation by class. >> right. if you look at a lot of communities and mckinney is one

of them. you'll find that sort of segregation that is often, you know, obviously it's not mandated but it is done by custom, income. just a couple of years ago with the city actually settled a section 8 housing case of discrimination case where by one area of the city didn't want to put section 8 housing within its orders and the area was predominantly white. in a lot of these places in mckinney, in ferguson certainly in baltimore there is a stark racial segregation that encourages or facilitates a certain kind of policing that focuses intently with a lot of resources on the low-income african-americans >>well and not just the policing but if this started in a way we have been lead to believe, that there was a sort of racialized exchange about kids going back to section 8 housing. that's all you need to know as far as how much the community is tolerant of difference. >> what is interesting about that comment and what i've been trying to explore in writing and thinking about it, it very much

puts this incident not just in the context of police misconduct and police violence but much broader context of pools of swimming of segregation of pools and municipal communities. in this case a community pool in a private suburb that was -- that almost certainly wouldn't exist 50 years ago and only exists because our municipal pools are largely closed due to integration in the 1960s. >> and there is a great piece on this. "the new york times" there's another op-ed on your reporting. there's a strange intimacy in re schism and water exposes the inevitability of theit. the idea we have not reconciled the black body and the white body in a shared space. >> it is incredible. jamelle writes wonderfully about this. i'm from chicago the site of the

famous 1919 race riot started because supposedly black swimmers crossed the invisible racial line at the beach. this is a public beach black swimmers crossed the racial line and whites responded and rioting took place in my hometown for many days. people are killed and injured. that was a hundred years ago. there's a long history of the intimatecy of water and whether it is a pool or a beach of causing certain kinds of racial confrontations. >> it gives us a window into the national psyche when it comes to the subject of race. we have to leave it there. thank you for your time. you can, of course catch the last word weekdays at 10:00 p.m. here on msnbc. coming up five days after two convicted murders broke free from a prison in upstate new york, police are searching homes door-to-door today near the prison. we'll have more on that next. out of 42 vehicles

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investigators in the search for two convicted murders who escaped from the clinton correctional facility in upstate new york are going door-to-door in dan more new york. police say there are some indications that the inmates may have escaped to vermont. john yang joins me now. what is the latest? >> reporter: the latest is what we heard in a briefing with officials there is information they have developed that one of their possible destinations original plan destinations was vermont. the governor telling us that they thought new york was going to be too hot and vermont would be cooler and that a camp in vermont would be a better place to hide. so they are now allowing new york state troopers to go into vermont. there is a vermont state police official at the command center here in new york. meanwhile, search still goes on

to the southeast in new york. there are check points to the north on the way to canada and here they have come back to ground zero. starting at the prison and fanning out again going over territory they have already gone over making sure they didn't miss anything in this search. they acknowledged they are no closer to figuring out exactly where these two escaped killers are. >> john yang thank you for the update. up ahead jerry seinfeld thinks that college kids are too politically correct these days. are students the problem or his jokes? that's next. new york state is reinventing how we do business by leading the way on tax cuts. we cut the rates on personal income taxes. we enacted the lowest corporate tax rate since 1968. we eliminated the income tax on manufacturers altogether. with startup-ny, qualified businesses that start, expand or relocate to new york state pay no taxes for 10 years. all to grow our economy and create jobs. see how new york can give your business

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debate over pc culture. a week ago the comedian made headlines saying the comedians are avoiding college campuses because kids are too pc. he returned to the topic with seth meyers to discuss audience reaction about texting and friendship. >> the people in your life they're so important aren't they? yes. really. they don't seem very important. not the way you scroll through your names in your contact list like a gay french king. >> turns out that in today's pc world, seinfeld has gotten a reception that has been chillier than expected. >> comedy is where you can find feel like an opinion. and they thought what do you mean gay? what are you talking about gay? what do you do? what do you mean? there's a creepy pc thing out there that bothers me.

>> is seinfeld right? is there a creepy pc thing out there or has the king of comedy fallen behind the times? joining me now is annie lowery. annie, what do you make of this? >> so, you know, i think that the pc culture owes a lot to social media. all of a sudden people in this case, college kids with say, you know i was a young gay person and i had to hear jokes like this and it is not cool. you can get a social media spieling on effect. i get that sometime it is goes too far. i get timesometimes it can be humorless. it is a good thing that people have been marginalized and discriminated against can come forward and say my experience is not unique. it happens to at lot of people. i think it's been a better thing. i expect a good conversation about sexism about racism about bias against gay and transgender and lesbian people. i roll my eyes at jerry

seinfeld. he's a billionaire. i don't feel sorry for him if people don't laugh hard enough at him. >> times are changing. you look at progress on something like gay marriage. if you like that that is because people see gay people differently and not so ready repackaged as the butt of joekes. >> how about write smart funny jokes. that don't insult. i think it is cheap and easy to be insult people who are socially marginalized. i think of jokes and i think of richard crier, dave chappell who found the humor in making fun of these social categories of -- >> i think seinfeld would argue that he's in the spirit of richard crier, for example, he's crossing that threshold between what society thinks is acceptable and funny. >> no one wants to think they are stopped being relevant.

i don't think jerry seinfeld is a great spokesman for that mind set. i think the college professor and the opinion page take-outs they feel marginalized by their students. they're saying something the students find offensive. that's a different issue. there's no downside. there is no social pressure backlash for jerry seinfeld here. he has all of his cars the huge fleet of cars and he's not -- which college campus was booking it? >> don't want to have to deal with the pc police. >> all right. then lose on money because you're afraid to be criticized because you can't come up with funny jokes that insult people. >> there was a backlash the tosh.0 that caused a backlash the bill cosby thing. he got in material that people wanted to hear because -- >> it was taboo.

>> it was previously taboo. there is no downside. the fact we're talking about this is great. if jerry seinfeld is banished from society i'll feel differently. >> i think he has made $820 million in his career. the man in exile will be comfortable. simpsons fans everywhere are reacting with shock and horror to the news today that homer and marge will legally separate when the show returns for a 27th season this september. the show's executive producer that homer has narc leprosy. homer falls in love with his pharmacist who is voiced by lena dunham. >> it makes me sad but i very much look forward to homer and marge getting back together again. hopefully we'll have a -- >> but if he falls -- do you think it is a good plot device to keep the story line fresh? >> well, after 27 seasons, you

know, you're probably at the bottom of the barrel in terms of the plot. i would be very sad if homer and marge were permanently separated. somehow i don't believe it is going to happen. >> can i say people on the internet simpson fans are angry about this. >> i love it. >> people are horrified on the heels of our last conversation about the times are changing. here is entertainment trying to keep up with, you know an increasingly, you know landscape that is fact use, if we're talking about marriage. >> here is the fact about marriage. the average marriage in this country lasts eight years. marge and homer have been married before the show started. it was three times the national average. why not legally separate. maybe they'll become polly amorous or something. who knows. >> jerry seinfeld will have fun with this joke. 27 seasons is that too long for any television show? >> they know how to troll twitter and interact with the show. what they have done on twitter

is kryptonite for the most objectionon onniveon objective parts of twitter. >> some of us didn't know it was on the air. i'm not naming names. actress zoe saldana is revealing her husband took her surname. it comes as a number of american women keeping their maiden names is actually declining from 23% in the 1990s to just 10% in 2013. annie lowery your last name is lowery. i know, for a fact it is not your husband's name. nor i have taken my husband's name. what do you think of this news? >> i think it is actually really, really sweet. i think i remember when jay-z and beyoncè got married. legally he's sean carter-knowles. i thought it was nice. i think it is hard for couples that think of themselves as

inequitable partnership and want to carry both names forward to figure out how to do it. whatever decision you make i think people are ready to criticize. i think it strikes me as lovely. >> that's interesting you say that having not taken your husband's name. the when women see our names as temporary or not really ours. when we understand that part of being a woman is assuming your own identity into your husband's that impacts our perception of ourselves and our role in the world. >> listen alex cass, i mean alex wagner. if i could find a wife i would be more than happy to take her name or hyphenate. >> do you think more men would start hyphenating? >> i hope so. i think we should be willing to hyphenate hyphenate. if not, why not take your wife's or partner's name?

i think it is an awesome thing. i don't know why zoe is upset. are you serious? you're going to be made fun of. you're going to be emasculated by your friends, dave. i think for a lot of women, you know if their husbands had offered to take their names. there's a sweetness to annie's point. a generosity of spirit in that but the is that -- are your friends going to give you a hard time? >> then you should get different friends. people should not be jerry seinfelds about this. anything you can do to break the norms and be respectful to your partner, i don't have a problem with that. good for him. >> did you, annie, talk to ezra lowery about this? was it on the table? >> unfortunately clowory is a mouthful. >> i'm going to bring it up with him. >> as long as you have something you can tweet. >> can it be news.

it can be news. dorian, dave annie, thank you for your time. be sure to catch "nerding out" thursdays at 11:00 a.m. coming up is having to drive 600 miles for an abortion an undue burden? the state of texas officials say no. that's just ahead.

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court steps in, most abortion clinics in the state of texas will close at the end of this month. that is because yesterday a federal appellate court upheld some of the strictest abortion laws in the country. the decision puts about half of the state's remaining abortion clinics at risk of closing. something that would leave 1.3 million women of reproductive age in texas 100 miles or more from the nearest clinic. the decision is expected to take effect in about 22 days. joining me now is the president of planned parenthood federation of america sis seal richards. >> it is distressing. >> the reason the clinics may have to close is because they're not up to standard as the state of texas would like to establish. why are these standards bogus in the eyes of a lot of folks? it's a good question. what the legislature did under the guides of helping women was pass the incredible restrictions on who can provide abortion services. not only what kinds of

facilities, essentially small hospitals, but what kinds of doctors. it is limiting. now the laws are taking affect it means good medical providers closing down. we could be in the state where there are more than 5 million women of reproductive age and only nine or ten clinics open. >> in 2012 there were 41 clinics open. if the law goes into effect ten clinics. one of the things the court evaluated is undo burden on women who need to have an abortion to ask them drive incredible distances. what i found, like stagger in that is the court, at one point said for one clinic closing in, i think, el paso some women will have to drive 1200 miles round-trip to get to an abortion clinic. that's the distance longer than d.c. to boston new york city to raleigh, north carolina. these are huge distances to cover. what does that mean for women? >> well, it means a lot of women

won't be get access to safe and legal abortion. what they seem to imply is women can cross the border to new mexico. it means that women will cross the border to mexico. it is ironic you think of the roero roro roe v wade case. it is disturbing. i think you look at the case in georgia where a woman has been jailed supposed to be let out today. stayed in jail today for the same kind of problem. women will be resorting unsafe means, and there is absolutely no reason for it. it is all about politics. none is about the safety and health of women. >> what is mind boggling the state of texas is arguing we need the restrictions in place because it will keep the procedure state. but at the same time the state is arguing that women in certain parts of texas can drive to new mexico where, by the way, the clinics are not subject to the same requirements. effectively saying it doesn't matter if they get abortions at

quote, unquote unsafe clinics in new mexico. >> absolutely no. there's so much hypocrisy in the legislation and now we're seeing the impact. obviously the goal of the state legislature and governor rick perry was to end safe legal abortion in the state of texas. i think that's what they thought would happen. if there is any silver lining there isn't. there have been folks come out of the wood work supporting planned parenthood and other organizations. we were able to open a new planned parent health center that meets the restrictions. there are millions of women who are unduly burdened by this law, and it is absolutely we're going beginning to see the results of it in texas and across the country. >> so, i mean, as you said this is happening across the country. what is the likelihood the supreme court takes this up? >> well, i know they have asked for a stay and -- >> on this texas case. >> in order to go to the supreme court, and i think the likelihood is the supreme court

will hear this case and it is going to be incredibly important that the justices of the supreme court recognize what a burden women face not only in texas but across the country. >> because if you are asking a woman to drive hundreds of miles to get an abortion that's limiting the number of women who can take work off, who have access to transportation. i mean, this law disproportionately seen targeting poor women. >> it targets women with the least access to health care. i think one of the cruel ironies is that women in the rio grande border unof the most underserved areas of the state of texas. many of the women are undocumented. they cannot drive to san antonio. they cannot drive to houston or austin because they can't pass through the border check points. we're forcing women to go across the border to mexico to get what is a legal procedure in the state of texas or should be a legal procedure in the state of texas. >> can you believe in the year 2015 we've come so far on other

parts of our society and culture. we have rewound the clock to a period we're talking about back alley abortions all over again. >> absolutely. the incredible thing is the country supports safe and legal abortion. >> and abortions are down across the u.s. >> that's right. we're doing a better job of providing birth control. there's so much good news in terms of women's health. the fact that states and state legislatures and politicians would be getting between women and their doctors and ability to get a safe and legal abortion is an outrage. >> texas, i mean, you're from the state. what did you say? >> listen, it is a cautionary tale for the politicians running for president and in legislatures across the state -- across the country what can happen when you pass these kinds of laws. >> it is terrifying and sad what is happening to the women of texas. good to see you. thank you for taking the time. coming up the white house will make the airline industry clean up its act in the fight against climate change.

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