back. >> that was headliner over the weekend the times of london bush was wrong in iraq said rumsfeld. >> the article was not accurate. >> don't listen to rumsfeld. >> plus new developments. in mckinney, texas a police officer shown in this video is off the force. >> later parade talk. >> are never an easy -- >> we're very confident. we're excited about moving forward. and street smarts. >> the benefits kids get from watching sesame street is powerful. powerful. >> this is kermt the frog returning you to your regularly scheduled program. president obama has repeatedly emphasized that the u.s. is not going tobacco to iraq but the administration is now walking a delicate line. we know a bit more about what it

means. president obama's advisors drawing up new plans for a military base in annwar province. select a group of trainers that can advise forces how to get the job done against isis including retaking the city of ramadi. this is a plan not an active operation. the troops could deploy this summer. there are no easy policy solutions to isis or iraq. we know that. at home the politics of iraq are pretty clear. most americans now say the war was a mistake. so candidates in both parties can succeed by starting with the obvious acknowledgment that the iraq war was wrong. even that is proving difficult for some republicans. jeb bush offered no fewer than three positions to one of the war's architects donald rumsfeld rumsfeld. the london times reporting that donald rumsfeld blames today's problems on the middle east on president obama's unwillingness to confront isis and the bush

administration's plan to bring democracy to iraq was unrealistic. this is donald rumsfeld. the paper quotes him saying i'm not one who thinks our particular template of democracy is appropriate for other countries at every moment of their history. let's stop there. democracy may not be right for iraq. we can debate it. when donald rumsfeld was running the war he challenged the analyst who said the u.s. couldn't install democracy in that country. >> people said the japanese couldn't have a democratic system. people said nazis couldn't be replaced with democratic system. iraqis are not capable of living in free system? i don't know that. i'm hopeful that is wrong. >> there is more. reporting rumsfeld said quote, the idea that we could fashion a democracy in iraq seemed unrealistic. i was concerned about when i first heard the words. that's remarkable. that would be an important

claim, if true because rumsfeld wasn't expressing that concern publicly when the war began in 2003. instead declaring iraq could conceivably be a model democracy. >> iraq could conceiveably become a model proof that a muslim state can exceed in a battle against extremism taking place in the muslim world today. the transition to democracy will take time. it will not be a smooth road. the eventual political outcome will be decided by the iraqi people within the broad principles of rule of law, minority rights individual liberty, and something proximate mating representative democracy. >> so those are all quotes. i think they speak for themselves. if nothing else rumsfeld, if he has a new line it may reflect the simple politics of iraq today. the story doesn't stop there. he called on fox news to push back on that article last night. >> caller: it's nonsense. the article was not accurate. what i said was that -- when our

goal when we went in was to have saddam hussein gone. to have a leadership in the country that would not invade its neighbors, would not have weapons of mass destruction, and reasonably respectful of the various diverse ethnic groups the kurds, the shias, and the sunnis. i'm not sure he cleared it up. we want to get your opinion. get your cell phones out. tonight's question is a simple one. does donald rumsfeld have any credibility left on the iraq war? just ask him. go to msnbc.com/ed. we'll bring you the results later in the show as we do. joining me now on the important topic bryan dorganorrgan and the author of "it can happen." good everyoning to you both. >> hello. >> joe, let me start here. this matters for 2016 because the past is not only pro law.

rumsfeld deputy at the time of the iraq war is advising jeb bush. what do you make of donald rumsfeld's dance here? >> well, unof the known knowns is that rumsfeld tried to revise his remarks. the things he's told us about iraq for more than almost 12 years now going back to the prewar period he told us that he knew where the weapons of mass destruction were. he described them in great detail. he told us the location. none of that turned out to be true. then 2006 he pretended he hasn't said that. in 2007 he wrote a memoir saying i wrote a mistake when i was talking about that. sorry about that. the fact is the presence of people like donald rumsfeld on the scene is a reminder to people jeb bush is not necessarily the best candidate for president even among all the republicans. some of whom said yes, the war in iraq was an error.

i wouldn't have done it. now jeb bush, as you said has had different positions. every time somebody like rumsfeld talks, brings up the war or any of the things that lead to the war, it reminds people, hey, this is a name that is associated with one of the gravest errors in american diplomacy and military operations. there were so many things that went wrong in iraq. left such a stain on the united states. the cost of the war $3 trillion and counting. the disgrace which, you know, shows why it was ridiculous to claim we were inserting democracy into that country. we were bringing brutality there, unfortunately. >> yeah. and senator dorgan when you talk to certain republicans and some commentators they say it was a long time ago. we have new challenges now we have to move on. is that right? >> well, we certainly have to learn from it. i'm not so sure that some have learned from it given the remarks of the secretary -- former secretary of defense. as you can imagine, i sat through a lot of top secret

hearings with the secretary of defense, head of the cia, the vice president condoleezza rice and many others and what we heard it turned out not to be true at all. it was false. a great deal of false information in which america went to war in iraq but even more important than that this question of leading iraq toward a democracy what happened is the team that was sent there by the bush administration created a staggeringly incompetent government. very corrupt. first of all, the coalition authority they disbanded the army, disbanded the police force, supported maliki that turned out to have a pretty corrupt government who decided to get rid of the sunnis and so look they have, you know there's an old bumper sticker on ward through the fog. that's what it reminds me of when i hear secretary rumsfeld talking about what happened back

then. >> you mentioned your oversight committee hearings. we were looking back to this today you talk about that the corruption side, the failure the vacuum it created in addition to syria, which is a separate issue, which is part of what created the breeding ground for isis and other enemies of ours that are far more dangerous to the united states than saddam hussein. i want to play a little bit, senator, of you when you were overseeing some of this in the senate. >> there is abuse, overcharges, fraud. to let a few special big companies wattel like hogs in a trough and waste the appropriate and defraud the taxpayers of millions tens of millions perhaps hundreds of millions of dollars does no service to supporting american troops. we don't support our troops by allowing this to continue. >> how much of that history do you think is forgotten or hasn't

fully sinked in. with the jeb bush debate there was a lot of defense on the right of saying the intelligence at the time demanded this. it was also an open question with a lot of reports going the other way on wmds. >> yeah well, you know we didn't have chairmanships. i chaired the policy committee from our caucus. i held 23 hearings without subpoena power. we had a substantial number of people, even from iraq come and testify, and the abuse, the waste, the fraud was unbelievable in terms of what was created over there after the invasion. my hope is that it is not difficult for anybody who is running for president to answer the question was it a mistake? hell yes it was a mistake. i think joe said it. one of the great blunders in my judgment. >> i want to play a little more on donald rumsfeld. take a listen and hear him talking about it works and how complex the region is.

this was also on fox news. >> caller: we were not there to be occupiers, and my concern about -- i'm for democracy but my concern about the word was it would leave the impression in that country inaccurately that the united states intended to impose its form of democracy on their country. >> so i think the details matter, joe. he's not just saying hey, this is why it worked or made us safer. that's sort of straight up agree owe strategic argument. he's going back into what were we trying to do there. as we showed in the open we have all the record of him and president bush saying it was for democracy >>well it's actually bigger than that ari. there was a group that jeb bush was affiliated with project for new american century that laid out a plan for iraq long before they decided to invade and the plan was we were going to use iraq as a staging area to turn the middle east into a democracy, an area of democracy.

this was a sort of utopian pipe dream these guys had. and jeb bush signed on it to scare that. even earlier than his brother did. when rumsfeld talks about this it has to be put in that context of an overall policy strategy that was not just a failure but an enormous failure. what we ended up with was not only grave cost to our country and blood and treasure but, you know, a country of iraq now that is influenced by iran. i mean, if you're worried about iran, as they claim to be, we have created not a public government but an allied government to iran in that region. that is an ongoing problem, and they sort of never even conceived it was going to happen. because they seemed to know very little and pay little attention to anybody that did know anything about it. >> senator, lastly as you look at the republican field here is there anyone that you see having learned the right lessons? >> well, there's so many of them i've not studied all their

records. there are about fifteen at this point, i think. i hope all of them would have learned the lesson. i don't know. i would assume they're going to be questioned very substantially about it their view of these issues and what role america should play in that region in the future. so that will be instructive to us as we go along. >> yeah. i think it is truly one of the important parts of these debates. people get so frusted with so much in the campaign and the money and the rhetoric. we have gotten straight talk from some of them. i think rubio and lindsey graham talking about doubling down on the policies. rand paul talked about a different direction. they have to figure it out. i don't see how you run as a general election pro iraq war campaign. thank you for joining me now. remember to answer tonight's question online. we'll have the results after the break. coming up the attorney for officer casebolt speaking out. people are talking about mckinney, texas all over today.

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him. he apologizes to all who were offended. >> casebolt was not in attendance today. he didn't attend the mckinney police conference on tuesday. casebolt removed himself from the force immediately hoping to potentially take a lot of attention for this incident with him. >> it is his hope that his resignation will facilitate the cooperative relationship between the citizens and the police officers of the city of mckinney. >> and, of course the other question in the story in terms of casebolt's side his attorney saying race was not a factor. >> he believed those who fled were possible suspects. he was not targeting minorities. in fact he also detained a white female who do not see on the video. >> whatever the details of this incident, the broader conversation in race and policing is far from over senator rand paul approached the topic last night. >> what i am telling you is

white kids don't get the same justice because the police go where there are more people. there are more people where there's more concentrations in the cities and more african-americans. >> an investigation in a casebolt's conduct is ongoing. joining me now by phone is jo joy reed. tell us the latest now there's been a change obviously, in the individual officer's situation. >> yes absolutely ari. the attorney for eric casebolt did acknowledge in theory he could face an investigation into what a lot of activists on the ground in mckinney want to see, which is criminal charges. lots of people throwing around the term assault and saying his treatment of the

treatments rose to the level of assault. i can tell you i'm standing outside the office who attorney who represents them and their family. we're waiting to see what that attorney may say and somehow she may respond to the updated information which included a fairly bleak apology. >> and bringing you in here you have been sort of advocate and volunteer and activist on a lot of these types of police issues around the nation. this one seems different than some in that the video left a lot of people feeling that the officer's conduct was wrong and his supervisors immediately said as much. what do you think is important at this point? >> you know, i think about three things. one it shows that the police in communities of color escalade really quickly. it is about control more than about deescalation and safety. we saw the casualness with which he pulled his gun out.

it showed a disregard for the life of other people. especially young kids they were bikinis and swim trunks. third, there are many mckinneys across the country like many fergusons, baltimores and cleveland. it's a reminder that people in communities of color are under threat by police like this. his resignation is important. it's important he's no longer an officer. he needs to be held accountable for his actions and he hasn't been yet. >> with regard to the video from your perspective and knowledge of what a lot of protest groups have been doing. is there any sort of systemic effort or organized effort to get more videos made or to try train people in this? it seems to be something that can change the way otherwise incidents would be processed. >> the videos really important. the reality is we've been telling the truth about police violence our entire lives. the only thing that is different

is the truth is becoming main stream because of social media. the videos are important. it helps people see the truth we've been telling our entire lives. >> joy, what about the police side of this which is even when individual incidents are wrong or in this case you have the police coming down on the officer's conduct what you hear from a lot of officers both on and off the record as well as definitely the police union is, look any individual incident can go down a certain way and make the officer look aggressive but the statistics on the threats facing officers are not in doubt. they're under tremendous risk and danger that is hard to appreciate in real time. sometimes looks different after the fact. joy? >> well, i mean, i think one thing is on the statistics. i think it is pretty clear the number of police involved shootings in which an officer shoots a civilian far outweigh the number of police officers shot. that said in both cases it is a tragic consequence. if you want to talk about this

particular phase they are stand standing behind the officer. it is a sharp contrast to the chief of police in mckinney who came down hard on the officer's conduct said it was indefensible. had harsh words for him but praise for the other 11 officers. one of whom you didn't see on the video. i can tell you he spoke yesterday with the only person who was arrested in the case whose charges have been dropped. the young man who was recently arrested who said he felt the other two officers who chased him off the drawngun was drawn on him. i think they wanted to draw the contact between the other 11 officers on the scene and the exofficer eric casebolt. the other thing the other ten we have been supportive of officers in these situations. that is the case here. >> and rand paul also had some comments about anger with

policing. listen to him here. >> when i see people angry and upset i'm not here to excuse violence in the cities. but when i see people angry i understand where some of the anger is coming from. >> do you view that as any kind of victory for some of these protests or what do you want to see from politicians? >> it's important that people tell the truth about what is happening in communities. that statement from rand paul was the truth. people are angry because police are killing people. police have killed 500 people alone in 2015. and what we see in mckinney like other cities this is racially coated. we saw the officer was being more aggressive that he his knees in her back. he wasn't afraid of her. she wasikinibikini. the videographer said i was essentially invisible. it is important by pop tigss

recognize it and realize race is underpitting the violence that police are exhibiting. >> i want to ask you i saw when you were on another news channel interviewing last night, there was this accusation level that you are somehow profiteering off this protest and the movement and i want to give you a chance to respond to any of that if there's anymore you want to say, if that's a concern some people have about aspects of the protests or your role. >> you know in communities across the country are a host of issues. people have been organizing and mobilizing. this is about police violation. there are other movements that are mobilizing and activating. this is no different. i'm not personally receiving any funds right now from anybody. i've been using my savings and money from family to help me out. >> but are people who are organizing as a part of their work, and that is important and

that is necessary across a host of issues. >> all right. i hear that. we like to hear from the grassroots and different people doing different kinds of work. thank you. >> joy reed from msnbc thank you as well. still to come congress gets ready to vote on an uncool trade measure. former senator back with us to share his beef with the senate's latest move. an update on the search for two escaped prisoners in upstate new york. that big story. stay tuned you're watching "the ed show" on msnbc. i've smoked a lot and quit a lot but ended up nowhere.

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vice president. the governor saying there was information the men might be headed there. >> i'm going to be careful what i confirm this is an ongoing investigation. what i can tell you is we have information that suggests that they thought new york was going to be hot. vermont would be cooler in terms of law enforcement, and that a camp in vermont might be a better place to be than new york. authorities say the vermont and new york state police will be of course in close contact. they're asking vermont residents to report any suspicious activity at remote seasonal camps. we bring in john yang. john, obviously there's a trade-off there. authorities are putting the information out to get people to help with the search. if the guys have access to any media they know their vermont camping plan is out of the bag >>well that also could sort of force them to stay put in new york if they are indeed still

here in new york and the last serious tip they have was for yesterday about willsborrow, new york. the activity today going door to door sort of retracing old grown here in dannemora was not based on any new information. what they were trying to do what officials said they wanted to start back at ground zero at the prison and then spread out from there, go back over old ground. see if there is anything they missed. i can tell you here in this neighborhood this afternoon, we saw them going through buildings with dogs that they had gone through before. going into houses in this neighborhood that were empty with dogs. nothing has turned up. everything has come up empty so far. and today at that press conference as officials acknowledge they really have no

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welcome back to the ed show. house republicans could vote on fast track trade authority this week. republican house leaders are confident but they're not yet certain they have all the votes. it should be close basically no matter what. depending on the whipping the bill could come friday or move into next week. earlier today paul ryan held a press conference on the issues. congressman ryan pushing hard for the new trade deals. >> this is how you get higher

paying jobs faster economic growth more global engagement. the rules of the global economy are being written right now. there's no question about that. the question is who is going to write the rules? is it america and our allies? or will it be other nations that don't share our values? 95 percent of the world's consumers don't live in this country. they live in other countries. so it is absolutely critical that we open up the markets so we can grow and make more things in america and sell them overseas. >> you don't see it every day but republicans like ryan are backing president obama on this. for his part the president has been doing a targeted push with local press to ramp up pressure for the trade deal. >> people are afraid under the transpacific partnership we could see more jobs going to vietnam and malaysia. >> first of all, it is important to remember the jobs gained. we know that, you know in the global trading system 95% of the world's markets are outside the united states. we sell a bunch of stuff out

there, and about a third of our recovery since the economic crisis i inherited when i came in officer, about a third of that growth has been export group. it creates millions of jobs here in the united states. >> the president and ryan using the 95% line. the poll commissioned by the alliance when americans are asked to weigh jobs versus affordable products. 84 percent think it is more important to protect american jobs. foreign currency trading might not sound like a kitchen table issue, 73% saying they would oppose a deal that doesn't bar currency manipulation. it is in line with a new msnbc mississippimsnbc poll. for more let's go to senator sherrod brown of ohio. good evening. >> good evening. >> what do you think about both

the reality of ryan and obama being together on this and the merits of the arguments they made? >> they're working not just off each other's talking points they were saying the same things i've heard since nafta. we see big promises job growth wages going up but after each trade agreement we see the opposite. most recently korea four years ago. administration u.s. trade representative, people like paul ryan promised 75,000 increased jobs because of trade with korea. we've seen the reverse. we've seen 70,000 jobs lost. clearly these trade agreements don't work as promised and congress and you know what is interesting here the fast track was rushed eded through the senate. we did it all in a few days. the last time it was fast track a dozen years ago it took three weeks. we considered almost no amendments because mcconnell

shut down. they are rushing it through the house if they move on friday the same kind of way. this is going to be 60% of the world's economy will be inside tpp, and the u.s. trade agreement. 60% of the world's economy, it is the biggest trade agreement by far. it is too secretive. it's going too fast. it is too big without enough discussion, without enough debate. we've learned the more light that is shone on the debate, the less the public like it is. that's why they're speeding it through. that's why paul ryan or the president is mimicking paul ryan making the big promises. >> you messagesed the promises. you're saying you don't believe the president's promises? i believe the president saying what he's scripted to say on this and what presidents have always said. my first year in congress i opposed the president of my party bill clinton -- >> scripted by whom? >> i don't know scripted by staff, the people in the sky

that always write the language for trade agreements. it is the same argument we've heard for 25 years. big promises about nafta, big promises about the central american free trade agreement, big promises about south korea, and big promises about tpp and fast track. they don't work out that. i don't need that poll that you cited. i've had major town hall meetings in dayton and toledo can ton, youngstown cleveland on the trade agreement coming up. there's strong public opposition. the public gets it. they've seen the promises and they've seen what's happened in terms of lost jobs. >> and the debate about currency manipulation. in plain english, what is that and why is it important here? >> china particularly gains the currency system the way they buy and sell currency in such a way it gives their exports from china to the u.s. it makes them cheaper so u.s. companies -- so

they get a subsidize against u.s. companies. we can't compete because the playing field isn't level. when we sell things to china, it adds to the price of our company's goods in china so they can't sell in china. so it hurts us both ways. chinos that. we don't stand up on currency manipulation manipulation. when i hear paul ryan say we have to be at the table writing the rules. we need to challenge their currency systems. we've not done that. president bush the first didn't do it president clinton didn't do it president obama is not doing it. that's where you start. if you want to engage in east asia, you don't start with the huge trade agreements. you start with currency. >> i thought that was a funny angle as well. there's a trade-off on jobs or long-term planning. do you want to make the policy

trade-off. it's another to pretend it gives more an tonan ton my. thank you. the house is expected to vote and repeal country of origin labelling later today. this is a common sense rule to make sure that corporations have to tell you where your meat comes from. any beef sold in the u.s. must include a clear label showing where it is from. without the requirement beef could be shipped in from another continent and consumers wouldn't know it. critics say the house is reversing its own rule because of economic pressure from canada and mexico what we were talking about with senator brown. they have threatened a multibillion dollar tariff war. they ruled in may that the listing where beef comes from is actually now a nafta violation to put it on the beef. it has caused an up roar from democrats and food activists say

it could bully existing federal law. they're using it to argue against the tpp. here is congresswoman rosa delawyerdeare a. >> the house of representatives is getting ready to repeal country of origin labelling. why? because the world trade organization ruled against it. a trade agreement ruled against it. contrary to what the president has said trade agreements have a direct affect on our sovereignty. they have the ability to uproot domestic laws here in the united states. >> for more let me bring in former north dakota senator biran dorgan. nice to see you again. >> good. thanks. >> off the gate here it seems like something consumers would care about and might be politically dicey for the congress to fold on. >>well i think people might wonder why is this a trade issue. i mean, if this country decides,

as we have i was involved in the early debates about country of origin labelling. if we decided we want the american people to go to the grocery store and pick up a rump roast and find out where it was produced, where it was processed is it the u.s.? maybe they want to know that. so we now have country of origin labelling or they pick up chicken. was that chicken processed in a factory in china where there's substantial problems? consumers want to know that. so we should not have trade agreements that make a trade barrier such we decided as a country we don't want our consumers to have that information. it's not a trade issue in my judgment. >> i don't know if it is one of the things where people necessarily pay that much attention or takes a big scandal incident or tainted meat god for bid, to get the attention. you remember when everyone was complaining sharia law and the cooked up things about foreign law that weren't really happening. this is a real thing, right, senator? this is other countries going to

the wto and saying we don't want to have to compete in what would be an honest market. >> sure. and, you know, look the word trade -- let's trade. that's all fine. when we negotiate trade agreements, let's do it in a way that requires others to lift up their standards rather than our country to dumb down their standards. country of origin labelling, giving the american people the right to know where does the cut up meat come from makes a lot of sense. in the trade issue we have a nearly half trillion trade deficit this year. we're not negotiating these agreements very well. maybe that's why. i don't know why. maybe that's why you have to see the agreement in secret and a secret room in the congress. you and i haven't seen the agreement because it's not available. i think some parts are not yet complete. >> yeah. i don't mean to sound sarcastic when i say there's something really off when the congress can't give most of the regular order business done. i'm not trying to say it is bad

that it is coming from another country. but some other country has a complaint because its going to hit their bottom line for what they want to sell and the house is rushing to repeal something and that gets action. >> yeah. and they talk about the world market. there's only one market on the face of this planet that is as important and as big as the united states marketplace. we ought to reasonably say to other people you're welcome to come to our marketplace. we want to take a look and perhaps purchase your products. here are the standards we expect you to meet here when you come here with food and pesticides and things in terms of producing products. i just think it is important to stand up for our economic interest as we create fair trade laws. >> yeah. i hear that. former senator byron dorgan thank you for joining us. still ahead you don't want to miss this. this is real. a new study shows that big bird produces big grades. find how sesame street is impacting students well beyond their preschool years.

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>> welcome back to "the ed show." good news now about right-wing political pressure that just backfired. the reverend launched a critique of a major bank, not concerned about bail-out money or fees the reverend was upset that the bank ran an ad that included a same-sex couple adopting a child. he said how can we fight the tide of moral decay. >> he also announced his organization would stop banking with wells fargo. and said stop doing business who

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♪ now to a story that we are not making up. a new study showing tv is healthy for you. two economists found sesame street provides more than entertainment value for young children. they find that the show is the largest and least costly early childhood intervention in this country. the study found preschool aged

children who watched the show in 1969 experienced improvement educational outcomes. the children were more likely to be at the grade level appropriate for their age. that's all based on census data. this trend was most pronounced among boys and black youth. even more significant for children in economically disadvantaged area. it's about $5 for child in today's dollars. we're joined by the co-author of the study. good evening. >> good evening. >> what did you find? >> well, i think you did a nice job summarizing it. we find that for the first generation of children who were preschool aged when sesame street was introduced in 1969 when they got to school they were better prepared. they were less likely to fall behind a grade. the fact as you said was most

pronounced for boys african americans, and kids from economically disadvantaged areas. it's noteworthy this was precisely the goal of the creators of sesame street. so in a large sense, our findings suggest that they accomplished their goal. >> how did you control to make sure you were isolating the right factor that is that you knew it was sesame street that was doing this and not something else? >> right. thank you for that question. what we did, we took advantage of technological limitations in broadcast at that time. so when sesame street came on the air in 1969 people received their programming either through a uhf or vhf. vhf was a more reliable broadcast. so for kids who were growing up in cities where through no fault of their own, sesame street just happened to be broadcast on uhf stations they were much less

likely to be able to receive that signal in their homes. so kids who grew up in l.a. or d.c. or ohio at the time had a very limited access to the show as compared to kids who were living in new york city or boston or chicago. there almost every kid could receive sesame street. so that's great for us as researchers, because it sets up this comparison group of kids who through no choice of their parents, they just didn't have access to the show. >> and so what do you think parents and policy makers should take from this? >> i think this is a really encouraging finding, and it suggests that sesame street and perhaps television or electronic content more broadly, can be leveraged for real social good. it can really help prepare kids academically for school. this is you know inexpensive, and a great thing for us to scale up. >> i hope you can do follow-up

work on whether cookie monster makes kids more into cookies, because he was so obsessed with them. >> now he says they're a sometime snack. >> thank you for joining us. that's it for "the ed show." "politicsnation" with reverend al sharpton starts now. tonight on "politicsnation," paul ryan's bait and switch on obamacare. he says he's got a plan b, but he's gonna wait until you lose your insurance before he tells you what it is. also jeb bush once said we should, quote, shame single moms. does he still feel that? we reached out to his office today, and we'll tell you what they said. and the first lady's emotional speech to high school students who overcame their