can you tell us is the president, does he have a pack of cigarettes in his hand? >> he does not. >> what was it? >> i don't know april. i wasn't there. >> i understand. but did he tell you what it was? >> no. you may not be surprised to hear that i have not raised this issue with the president. >> well the president, as you've acknowledged he reads media reports and it's everywhere, this picture with him holding the cigarettes. >> i'm not sure that's the way i would describe it. >> it is everywhere, check it out. >> i have. >> well the size -- i'm not a smoker. but the sizing looks like --

so -- >> i told you they're not cigarettes. let's move on. >> ooh. a little testy. let's move on. >> i guess. so let's move on. cigarettes or not. >> nicorette. he grabs it every 15 minutes without failure. he is always chewing it. >> who knows, mika. what do you think? >> i'm with mike. really interesting article on the front page of "the new york times" about michelle obama. >> what's that? >> the speeches he's been choosing to make where she's been choosing to make them in terms of speaking to young people and opening up about race and her success and also -- >> it's an interesting piece. >> how she navigated all this and didn't enjoy all of it either but that's okay. still tried to do so much. >> that high school was really a piece of herself talking. >> it was. it was her speaking to herself. >> wow. >> to her years ago. >> a lot of news today.

you say possibly some breaking news. i saw that piece. and also, of course, the big news the president sending more troops to iraq. >> so we'll start there. 4 auto 450 additional american troops prepare to head to iraq. president obama approved the plan we first told you about yesterday where military advisors will help iraqi forces try to recapture ramadi. they will be stoent a new base that is located near anbar province. and the military advisors p speed up the delivery of body armor, guns and other equipment to sunni fighters. defense secretary ashton carter says this doesn't represent a change in mission since u.s. troops will still not take part in combat on the ground. it will bring total number of american troops in iraq to about 3500. >> mike barnicle? >> well you hear the stories about more advisors bombing runs body counts. >> right.

>> we've been here before years ago. >> we have been here before. and, you know, this is mission street. do we stay on? >> no. >> do we do nothing? generals are always fighting the last war. we're all exhausted by 12 years of war. but what's -- do we just stay out of iraq and let isis take it over? >> no. you sense that it's a muted split within the administration among people who want a far more vocal and far more forceful response. >> right. >> to the growth of isis. something this president clearly wants to stay away from. i think everyone wants to stay away from the growth of this war. but at some point we've got to address the fact that we're involved in a global war. it's not just -- >> we are involved in a global war. you're right. it's not just us. "the new york times" is suggesting that president is not

doing enough. and it's always damned in you do and damned if you don't. 30,000 troops was not enough to turn things around in iraq. it was a political move instead of a military move. great that they're there, but if you don't get them off the base have them in combat advising the troops targeting the air strikes. nothing's going to happen. >> it's not just "the new york times" and "wall street journal," it's within the president's own team. there are recommendations between 500 and 1500 extra advisors coming from the top military leadership. what this underscores, is one, the president just does not want to get too deeply involved here. i think he's going to do everything possible to keep from doing that. but if he was willing to take the bigger step the administration needs to see that the sunnis, the sunni tribes are willing to play. that the shia government will allow the sunni tribes to be willing to play. i think that's at the core of what they're trying to do what they announced yesterday.

i don't know the 450 is enough to do that. they need to see some sip of type of resip indication. >> so you talk about the president that does not want to get more involved. some of you are more empassioned speeches on this show are about bringing our troops home. stop witten gaugeit with the engagement. we noticed yesterday in the conversation, debate with lincoln chafee i couldn't get an answer on a strategy in the middle east or in the fight against isis because there wasn't one. maybe there isn't necessarily -- there is a great argument on both sides which brings us back to joe biden's plan. what would work beyond you know sending in tons of troops and gutting the place again and getting engaged for a long period of time or mission creep or what? >> if you send 450 troops don't

keep them on the base. >> right. >> if you're going to do it do, it. if you're not going to do it don't do it. no i don't want 20,000 30,000 people there. i'm not saying. that if you're going to send 450 military advisors you have to send them if a capacity that every military person is saying they need to be effectively used. i personally think the president's going to get there. i think the only way forward, as we've been saying is to look at the realities on the ground in this nation we called iraq for the past century. and that is understand that there are three, maybe even four countries there and just going by lines of the british drew 100 years ago isn't going to get it anymore and it's going to continue going around in circles. >> we'll have more conversations on this. let's move on. in january former florida governor jeb bush launched his exploratory committee amid the belief he could dominate the field. this morning's "washington post"

xblorz why explores why that has not come to pass. infighting among staffers led to the campaign shake-up and the super pac's fund-raising goal caused unnecessary embarrassment n a report it suggests the combined efforts will hit the $100 million mark. still, the shock and awe strategy failed to narrow the republican field and conservative radio host laura ingraham says the bushes have always juntunderestimated the dissatisfaction with their policies and they take the criticism personally. tom coburn offered this blunt assessment of bush's chances in the general. >> well i don't think another bush can get elected. i think there is bush fatigue. the fact is his last name will kill 47% of the votes for him, potential votes in this country. that's a big deal to get over. you know why would you run against that when you have all

this really tough rhetoric that has been against george w. who i think was a great president, that's still out there, that is still, you know still churning on the left side of the political spectrum? so why would you run a candidate that has trouble with 40% of the electorate. is coburn right? >> i don't know if he is or not. i think a lot of people might be saying that. think jeb bush right now is having a problem that we've seen mike you've seen it forever years, in huge campaigns. trying to figure out a way to bring all the people together. there were food fights there according to this "washington post" report at the very beginning between mike murphy and other members of the team. and they were more interested in that than getting jeb elected. and you see that in massive campaigns where sort of the shakedown crews part of the campaign is about saying i'm in charge of this. i'm in charge of that. there are power struggles

instead of struggles against the candidates that are trying to take your candidates' head off. that's the sort of thing that needs to be taken care of by the candidate before the campaign starts, not several months in. >> his campaign arrived in a small lake like an aircraft carrier surrounded by little row boats. so he's the obvious target. his campaign is the obvious target for the other candidates to aim and for the other campaigns to aim at. i think probably the campaign was, as you point out, two top heavy. a lot of highly paid advisors. how often have we seen this before? with regard to what tom coburn said couldn't you also say the same thing about the democrats if hillary clinton was a candidate? >> it does seem like he doesn't apply the same -- he discounts him out. >> for some reason what applies to the clintons does not apply to the bushes. i don't quite understand it. you look at the polls. the democrats want hillary clinton. republicans very skeptical about picking another bush.

>> why are they so skeptical? i understand the ideology. >> i don't know. i think it's early. i do think it's very early. and also you always have to put responsibility at the end of the day on the candidate. when you're jeb, you've got to say, you've got to be aggressive about saying this is what we did in florida. this is my conservative record. i was one of the most conservative governors in america. i'm going to bring that talent being conservative ideologically and moderate temperamentally and i'm going to win voters in the mid who will like conservatives and are put off by flame throwers. he needs to do a lot more of. that he hasn't launched this campaign yet. it is still june like i said. there's a long way to go. we'll see. right now it is not defined.

i don't know what the message is. >> there's two campaigns. there is jeb bush on the ground doing that taking over 1,000 questions, meeting with everybody, sitting in rooms, going into forums really trying to present his case for what he did as a conservative governor, can present his case for why he believes what he does on common core, yes believes what he does on immigration. but then you have the massive campaign apparatus. you have aides coming from old jeb bush world and new jeb bush world and i think there is kind of a difficulty has been trying to kind of mesh those two. i think to your point, it's early. it's very early. i think he made a decision to move forward. new developments in the manhunt for the two escaped killers on the run. a perimeter was set up three miles from the man hole cover where the prisoners emerged during their escape. law enforcement officials are searching every car within that

perimeter completely. it comes after a fresh tip triggered a flurry of police activity overnight near the maximum security prison. residents were instructed to turn on their home's exterior lights to assist. earlier in the day other information suggested that david swet and richard matt may have headed for vermont. >> we deployed our vermont state police marine assets on lake champlain. we have information that suggests that they thought that new york was going to be hot. vermont would be cooler in terms of law enforcement and that a camp in vermont might be a better place to be than new york. >> those developments come as a spotlight continues to shine on joyce mitchell a prison employee and person of interest who was questioned into the evening. >> is this woman really the woman that masterminded the escape from alcatraz? >> no. but there are no metal detectors

there. >> that's crazy. >> which makes no sense. and i don't know what they will find from her. but there is some link. joining us now live from the latest search area in morrisonville, new york miguel almagare. what are you hearing about this perimeter? >> what we're officially hearing from investigators is that a tip, as you mentioned, did leave them to this area. i can tell you over the last couple of minutes here we have seen a building of police presence at least entering from the location behind me a few moments ago a squad heading up a hill. investigators have also told schools in this area to shut down for the day. it looks like police activity is building again. as you mentioned earlier, investigators were not just focusing their search in this area but also across state lines in vermont. officials there began searching boats, docks, and cabin properties along that area. but again, it now looks like this search focused back here in

new york all along investigators have had a heavy police presence here. this as they still question that 51-year-old prison insider joyce mitchell mitchell. investigators say she is a person of interest. it's possible she could face charges. she is still being investigated tonight, mika as the search kicks into high gear this morning. >> miguel almaguer thank you very much. let's bring in former assistant director of investigations for the u.s. marshals and now assist an deputy director at homeland security arthur rodrick. law enforcement officials got hundreds of tips in this investigation so far. what kind of lead would trigger the activity that we're seeing? >> could have been a couple things. at this point they're getting a lot of information from mitchell. they're getting a lot of information from other inmates in the facility. they could have found some physical evidence of the escape at that particular location and had it blocked off and are doing a very tight group search in

that area. but this is a very daunting task. when you look at that area and i just happen to be driving through there a few months ago, it's' resort area and do theed with a lot of summer homes that are not yet open. so i mean they could be hiding in any one of the vacant homes or god forbid they got into a place and are holding somebody hostage which i think we have seen in other fugitive cases in the past. >> what other information -- look. i'm looking at some of these papers, looking at the connection with this woman joyce mitchell who worked inside the president as prison as a seamstress. what comes to mind into terms of why would they be talking to her and what potential connection she should have would the escapees or anyone else? >> you look at the personality of these two psychopaths. you know they know how to manipulate people and seek out,

find and victims that they're able to manipulate to get whatever they need you know whether it's information, whether it's power tools, whether it's maps of the facility. so, i mean they obviously picked this individual out. and this was -- i mean just looking at how they escaped and the fact that two people that were serving basically life sentences had somehow many nap late -- manipulate themselves to get into the honor block is also an issue. >> arthur roderick thank you voch. still ahead on "morning joe," are we slipping into another war in iraq? richard engel will speak with us and nick burns. plus steve ratner puts on his bookie hat for the latest set of charts. he'll show us which candidate

betters are putting real money down to win the gop nomination. >> don't bet on this if forecast. >> don't do that. >> here is bill karins. what does the forecast look like? >> hot and steamy. i have to show you this picture of this hailstone that fell in illinois yesterday. you think kansas or oklahoma you get that big huge hail. but this was in central illinois. this is 4 1/2 inches of hail. that's a softball falling from the sky and probably at 100 miles an hour from that thunderstorm. thankfully no one was hurt or injured about it huge hailstones yesterday. where does that take us this morning? more severe weather today. a few tornadoes and we have the heat in the middle of the country spreading to the i-95 corridor from new york to d.c. a lot of heavy rain this morning. be prepared for. that eventually it will sweep into kansas city. des moines is locked in a heavy, steady rain that will be with you throughout the day. the yellow is a slight risk. orange is enhanced risk of severe weather. a few tornadoes possible

especially in that st. joseph area in central illinois. as far as rainfall goes we could see one to two inches widespread kansas up into minnesota and how hot will we get this afternoon in the big cities? heat index will be in the mid 90s this afternoon, right around 4:00 p.m. easily the hottest day we've had so far this early summer season. we'll get storms in the east too. that will arrive as we go throughout the next couple days. we leave you with a shot -- where are we going today? that's beautiful. reagan international airport. nice hazy sunshine on a hot, humid morning. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] you wouldn't ignore signs of damage in your home. are you sure you're not ignoring them in your body? even if you're treating your crohn's disease or ulcerative colitis an occasional flare may be a sign of damaging inflammation. and if you ignore the signs, the more debilitating your symptoms could become. learn more about the role damaging inflammation may be playing in your symptoms with the expert advice tool at crohnsandcolitis.com.

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my party, quite frankly, has been guilty in some respects of speaking in a way that doesn't sound very welcoming. when you lead the most ethnically diverse state in america, you don't have the luxury of only leading and listening to those people who voted for you. and i've come here today to say to all of you that now is the

time for us to start a great dialogue in our country that is not accusatory that is not looking through the rearview mirror but the windshield. >> he was making a speech when it comes to hispanic americans. we have steve ratner with us and mitt romney's 2012 presidential campaign katie packer-gauge. steve, you must have heard me talking about trying to figure out how to spin the $17.34 i get every month if i should bet on jeb bush. you said despite the opinion polls, the smart money is still on bush. >> you said you were ready to bet your money on jeb bush. i want to give you some courage. >> okay. very good. that's what i need. >> i know. >> go for it. >> yeah. >> i lack courage. go ahead. >> so there are those of us that believe the on line betting markets are a better predictor

of outcomes than the polls. >> why is that? >> because it's actually people putting down real money and saying i think jeb bush is going to win. polls where you ask people who do you think is going to pinwin is better than the polls that say who did you vote for? >> sometime they get 50 out of auto states right. sometimes they only get 48 out of auto states50 states right. >> last time around he hit 31 out 33 senate seats correctly. so as you know the polls are very close among the top republicans even going all the way down to people like ben carson. but prediction markets have a different view. they think notwithstanding everything i heard on the show earlier today that jeb bush is well ahead of his other two. they think rubio and scott walker essentially are tied. and they basically think this is

a three man race. everybody else is to the right in the polls, anyway. and all the people that are not on here are in very, very low single digits. >> stark contrast to what you hear and what you read and also what you see in the polls. >> all of those things. if you look at the polls, these five or six top people are tightly clustered, 8% 10%, 11% each in the polls. >> let's look at the odds that are longer than secretariat in 1973. the democratic side hillary clinton. 30%? >> she has a 76% chance of winning. now that is also a bit more than what she has in the polls. the polls have her at 59%. none of these folks have much of a chance. >> the republicans is more troubling. the final chart, the smart money on whether republicans or democrats in the oval office in the next four years. >> yeah. here again, the polls -- the

betting markets rather are pretty clear. 59% think the democrats are going to win. again, if you look at the political polls, they would put it at very close to a horse race. and there is a whole series of the online markets that think the same thing. i think it's a little early to be saying this. some of this may be the fact that republican nomination is in such a muddle and the democratic nomination seems so clear. >> boy that, looks skewed. >> i hope anyway. >> katie, you worked with mitt romney's campaign. given what you learned through that whole process, what do you make of what is going on with jeb bush's campaign? >> i think that they recognize that they had some challenges and shaking things up. some candidates make the mistake of doing that a little late in the game. he made the decision to do it early. it's good to do it before you actually launch your canned da sichlt -- candidacy. >> obviously, based on the polls that you have, obviously you agree with chris christie that

the gop needs to be more inclusive. did that hurt mitt romney? >> we did a survey with my company on immigration reform and the position that republican candidates might be likely to take in a primary, trying to appeal the voters on right. and what we found is interesting. we found that only one in five gop primary voters really feel strongly about the issue of sending illegal immigrants back to their country of origin. most republican primaries actually -- or republican primary voters actually support a path to citizenship. >> you work with mitt. do you agree like a lot of people agree that what he said in iowa early on absolutely shattered his chances? >> i don't think it's the only republican that we weren't successful. but it certainly was a contributing factor and handed our opponents a tool to whack him with. >> yeah i think they did. >> all right. thank you so much katie. we appreciate it.

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30 past the hour. joining us for the must read amy holmes. i'm going to read national review. sorry, but the obama playbook isn't going to work for hillary. this is jonah goldberg. >> we like him. >> okay. >> what do you mean okay? you like him. >> i'm going to read this. >> no. let me ask -- >> don't apologize. >> do you like jonah goldberg? >> i think he's very nice. >> okay. very good. >> that doesn't mean i agree with everything he writes. >> okay. good to know. >> first, obama didn't really run as a polarizing figure in 2008, he ran as a post-partisan reformer that woenld gridlock and fix the failures of the two term incumbent. second, obama was a very good politician without much baggage. clinton is a mediocre politician with mountainous baggage. third, obama's coalition has never been transferrable to any other cause or politician despite the president's best

efforts. and, last clinton is running to stay the course. the obama veterans around clinton boasted their willingness to break with the practices of the past but it looks more like they can't break out of their own obama bubble. running the same plays for a very different quarterback." >> what do you think of that mika? >> well, i think hillary clinton's campaign needs to define itself and there may be some good points here. >> i think the important point that -- to underscore, is the obama coalition. it hasn't worked for other politicians. so let's go back to the 2010 midterm, 2014 midterm. as much as obama tried to campaign for the house and senators it didn't work. republicans took -- >> not only didn't work there were two disastrous results too. so it reminds me so much and, steve, you were a reporter during the reagan years. republicans have believed since 1988 -- how many years is that?

get your super computer out. >> that is 27 years. >> oh, god. i'm going to shoot myself. for 27 years republicans have believed they could get back together the reagan coalition. nobody's been able to do that. barack obama, i think, is the reagan of the democrats now and do you have some of the same concerns that people are looking at eight and 12 are going to be disappointed in 16? >> it's going to be different. i totally -- i agree with a lot of what he said. it's not going to be the same coalition. >> not the same quarterback. >> yeah. there is a paper yesterday about the question whether african-americans are going to come out and vote in the same numbers when it's not barack obama at the top of the ticket. she's going to run her own campaign. she'll have a different relationship with women. you have the changing demographics of the country. and most importantly, you have the fact that middle class is still hurting. it's going to be an election about which party can do more for the middle class.

she's not going to try to run the same campaign. >> okay. bill clinton was interviewed yesterday and we may have the sound. we'll play it a little bit later. just talking about the clinton foundation, speech money. i mean there is a whole other dynamic there that i think is either a plus or minus or maybe both. we'll do that at the top of the hour. let's turn back to the developments in the massive manhunt for the escaped prisoners in new york state. joining us from capitol hill republican congresswoman of new york who represents the district surrounding the prison where two convicts escaped. congresswoman, good to see you again. what are you hearing about the state and federal response? is there any more that should be being done? >> i've been in hourly contacted with my local officials and law enforcement. as governor cuomo announced yesterday, law enforcement is following all leads so it's very important for all of the citizens in northern new york vermont, and frankly canada to get in touch with law enforcement, to send along

information. but this morning i know that in danne dannemora away from the prison they locked down the roads and closed some schools. so my office is just supporting law enforcement and making sure that constituents have the information they need if they are finding any leads on the escapees. >> congresswoman, this is amy holmes here. earlier this morning nbc was reporting that one of your constituents, told a reporter nbc reporter you know what? i am locked and loaded. i am a gun owner. in this kind of situation, aren't you glad that a person can protect themselves from the two murderous convicts on the loose? >> second amendment rights are very important in this district. and i actually know the constituent personally who spoke to the reporter. >> support freedom vote on the back of their car? >> yes. i think they have my bumper

sticker. >> there you go. so what is the level of fear right now in your district? it has to be pretty tough for the families. i think especially the parents. >> absolutely. we have a lot of seniors in our district and we also have a lot of children. these are small communities. yesterday as law enforcement basically focused on willsboro, that's a small town. it's where i live. i was able to get in contact with friends and neighbors and local officials. but there's a sense of alertness and i know that the community really comes together at times like this. again, it's very important to get in touch with law enforcement if you have any tips. >> all right. congresswoman, thank you so much. we hope everything turns out well here. hope to you have back later under happier circumstances. >> thank you. >> also this segment brought you to by amy holmes and the second amendment. very good. if i were a judge, i would say,

leading question! >> oh, my gosh. >> restate! >> she did good. up next. it's not a surge but the number of u.s. troops in iraq is getting a whole lot bigger. nick burns joins us next. hey america, still not sure whether to stay or go to your people? ♪ well this summer, stay with choice hotels twice and get a $50 gift card you can use for just about anything. go you always have a choice. book now at choicehotels.com

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another, might be a good step in the right direction but it's not enough. what do you think? >> i think it's a step the administration had to take something has to be done to strengthen the iraqi army. it's the only army that's going to keep the islamic state out of baghdad. it's the only army that can take back ramadi. that army failed. it failed a year ago this week in mosul and failed in ramadi the last couple weeks. the administration had to do this. but beyond this the president also needs to continue to emphasize this isn't going to be a short term struggle. we don't have the strategy in place to defeat isis right now. we have a contained strategy and it's barely working, barely adequate. that is an important point. i think most important thing we can do find a way internationally to make it difficult for isis to succeed in syria. that is isis's base. and right now, american allies turkey and saudi arabia united arab emirates going in different directions.

there is no focal point of pressure on isis. that is a diplomatic move we can make. >> let me follow up on something military experts would be telling "the times" today. what made this work in anbar province in 2008 i think it was whether you actually had u.s. advisors in battle advising the troops and picking out the targets. >> it was a lot more than that. there were 150,000 troops limitless budget 24 hour air cover, a lot of combat troops engaged in combat, not just picking troops but fighting themselves. so it's hard to imagine how 450 non-combat troops sitting on their bases who aren't even really allowed to be calling an air strikes are going to make much of a difference. it took just the surge period several hundred thousand troops fighting hard personally with

limitless weaponry, two solid years. now you're going to try to do a similar impact with 450? >> so you're saying based on all your experience there's, it's not going to -- >> it's not going to make much of a difference. is it better than nothing? i guess if you're in the anbar province certainly it is. but not much better than nothing. but there is an interesting dynamic. >> i have a feeling and i know why we're doing it. a lot of it has to do with iran. and when you look at what's going on in iraq right now, iran is really leading much of the ground fighting. it is leading the fight with the shia militias. it is leading the fight with the iraqi army. that's a problem. you come into a place like an bar which is a sunni area. so now the u.s. has to go in like the broker like the honest broker and say we will be the patron for the sunnis. >> mr. ambassador zshgs, does that make sense to you? >> richard is right about that

for two reasons. first, the shia mill tanltitant groups cannot succeed. and the whole battle is for the hearts and minds of the sunnis is to win them back and support the iraqi government. but secondly iran is on a major power play in the middle east. certainly in iraq definitely in syria where they're running hezbollah to support the assad government. and you see what iran is doing in lebanon, gaza and yes, ma'amen. it's important to push back and have our arab allies push back. so for those two reasons, the administration had to take this step to admit advisors. >> mr. masters, you and richard seem to agree it's a relatively small step. richard made a dramatic comparison to the surge. but then you say we should push back. if you were in charge what would our policy what would our specific action steps in that reej job

region be at this moment? >> what is missing in the strategy, i understand the constraints on president obama and the pentagon here. what is missing is a concerted policy in syria. we have delayed in arming moderate syrian rebels. the group we're training is small, 4,000 or 5,000 people. if you don't put pressure on the islamic state where it's strongest, home base -- >> how do we do that specifically? specifically specifically, mr. ambassador, how do we do that? >> we do it by two ways. i mentioned them both. one is arming a greater number of syrian rebels. most importantly what we can do is diplomatic. you have lots of american allies active in syria but all aiding different groups. you don't have a focal point and a coordinated effort. i think that's probably the biggest fix that administration wants to work on and can in the months ahead. >> phil? >> i want to go back a little bit and drill down. you nailed what i think administration officials were trying to get at yesterday when they were presenting this. they need to come in and serve.

they need to serve as the middlemen to the sunni tribes on the ground. how does that actually work? how does -- we say 430. it's actually 410 advisors and the rest are security. streamline weapons, what is the process of making that work? >> it's much more complicated than that. each group now -- >> when you ask richard a question, you find that everything is complicated. i asked richard, did you have coffee this morning? he said yes, but -- it's actually much more complicated than that. >> think of it this way -- each group in iraq now has a sponsor, a patron. the u.s. has become the sponsor of the kurds. iran has become the sponsor of the shia militias and the iraqi army even though we're also co-sponsors of the iraqi army. that is a weird jointed option. and now after yesterday we just adopted the sunni tribes with had 450 group.

it is an enormous responsibility. and it's -- are they going to trust us? will they trust us? we already adopted -- >> i was going to say, why should they trust us when in 2006 and 2007 and 2008 and 2009 and 2010 we're giving them money and then suddenly we go you know what? we're going home. we're going to let iran take over. see you guys later. >> so we come back with weapons and bags of money and say trust us again. >> so we have to go. let's end on this point. i think it is a sail yenltlient point. this is not a military move it's a political move. it's really also a political move in all the right ways to send a message to the sunnis. we're back. there are not going to be

150,000 of us. but please get involved in the fight. this is all about getting sunni fighters in these division that's are dominated by shiites. >> and that was the key question in the surge in 2007 '08 and '09 which gained the allegiance and the support of the sunni tribes. that's why this important is important. will it be big enough? will we have to go back in three or four months and have more people? >> it's a lot more kbliktcomplicated than that. what is not complicated you is won a pea bodiward we congratulate you. >> thank you. i appreciate that. >> richard engel, thank you so much for explaining. still ahead on "morning joe" -- >> everybody in this country should learn how to program a computer. should learn a computer language. it teaches you how to think. so i view computer science as a

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oh, what is the matter senator? the normal amount of light isn't good enough for you? i'm senator marco rubio. i like to roll around in giant patches of sunlight! like i'm a big ole kitty cat, meow! >> what do you think of that? >> i think it's funny. i think they might have gone overboard a little bit in the coverage. >> yeah. >> jon stewart has a point, does he not? welcome back. >> inground pool. >> ooh! >> an inground pool. >> i think the focus -- >> wow. >> and oversized windows. they should take a look at -- >> and they wonder why they're able to use the articles to raise money. he could send that out and see how the liberals are coming out? absurd. >> there was a point in it all. right? >> yeah. they should have stuck to that. >> yeah. >> wait. what do you think the point is? >> i think in all seriousness,

the point is he did nothing illegal or unethical but there is a question about his judgement and how he managed his finances. >> like the hillary clinton foundation money. >> the same question. >> in other words, he is no different than i would estimate 75% of the american public. >> or 85%. >> and the candidates. >> you think 80% of the american public started at zero and made $800,000 they would then go out and do what he did with three houses and inground pools? >> i think the american people between $150,000 would do almost exactly the same thing. >> steve, i don't agree with you. that is ludicrous. he can do whatever he chooses to do with the money. >> no i'm -- >> he did nothing illegal, nothing unethical, noggin appropriate. however, "the new york times" believes a group of reporters believes there is something fishy about this guy going and buying -- who cares? >> did they write this story about an above ground pool? no. serious. >> or less meticulously

manicured shrubs outside the home? >> no. "the new york times" they're looking for more than what they found. that happens in journalism, as you know. but they took what they had and they said okay, here is how this guy manages finances. >> does that warrant a front page story? that's what i'm saying. >> we talked a great length about mitt romney's car elevator. is that pertinent? >> i don't think so. >> i think it's interesting. i think some of this stuff is interesting. >> it tells you about who these people are. >> exactly. and he's like a lot of americans. >> the difference between a multi, multi, multimillion dollar house in la jolla with a car elevator and a guy deciding to opt for an inground pool instead of an above ground pool -- >> no one said he was considering the above ground pool. >> is vastly different. >> mika was right. this shouldn't be written about.

>> i actually do think -- >> he has a handsome brick driveway. what does that mean exactly? >> i don't know. i've never seen an unhandsome brick driveway. >> that is just such a stretch. i do think, though even though i criticize him at the time for the car elevator i do think a car elevator suggests that have no idea what somebody who is struggling to pay for off their credit cards and struggling to figure out how to get their kids to the school that their kids want to go to if they even get a chance to go to college. i think that does expose a wide gap between the candidate and the reality of 85% of americans like we said before. in this case with marco rubio's financial problems i think that just actually connects him more with us. again, as i said before if there are problems with campaign

money, official money -- >> legitimate stories written about those things. >> family vacations on party money, talk about that. but you don't think it's a legitimate story for -- about a presidential candidate who had financial problems as you just said, who has been at the edge to nonetheless have three houses, oversized windows, handsome brick driveways and inground pools and stuff like that. >> you think it's an issue? >> i don't think it's a issue. i think it's a question about judgement that people should know about and then make their own decision. >> i have to be careful. i will say this. there are -- i'm just going to bite my tongue. >> i think so. i think that's -- oh, my gosh. did that just happen? what? >> i'm going to bite my tongue. there are an awful lot of people who -- i'll just bite my tongue. >> come on. >>, no i can't say it. >> we want to know what you're

going to say. >> are you really not going to say something? >> i'm trying to figure out a polite way to say it. i just don't think i can without blowing things up. that will be a first! >> as your counsel, i suggest you -- >> former president bill clinton is speaking out about his role in a potential second clinton white house. >> in an interview in denver clinton said hillary would decide if he continues to run the multimillion dollar family foundation if she's elected president. okay. he also addressed some sponsors backing away from the clinton foundation in whether he would continue to accept money for speeches. >> there are people who just don't like bad press. and you can't be involved in modern american politics without somebody attacking you. i think sort of a tribute to my wife that it all happened now. i was interesting because 90% of what anybody's complained about now was known about when she ran

before and no one went after the foundation. at least not to this extent. one of my republican supporters who is not yet been subject to public criticism called me the other day and he said here's the message i get from all this coverage. if i put my money in a tax shelter in the caiman islands and don't pay taxes i'm a great man. if i give my money to one of these black box committees where you never have to reveal the contributors, i'll never get any grief. if i publicly give my money you to to help poor people, there is something really wrong with me. >> would you still give paid speeches? >> would i still what? >> give paid speeches? if your wife was in the white house? >> i don't think so. i don't think that -- because once you get to be president, then you're just making a daily story. i will still give speeches though on the subjects i'm interested in. i really enjoy those things. if anybody ever told me in 2001

people would still want me to come talk, i would have been stunned. >> you know sh it's fascinating. none of it is true. he's -- i love how he said well you know they never brought this up before when she ran why are they bringing it up now? because she was secretary of state when state department business was being done in some of the same areas of the foundation was getting money and bill clinton was getting paid $550,000 per speech to put a nice bow on it. and again, maybe like with marco, maybe none of this is illegal. but to suggest this is common well, how do you answer the point he made that the republican donor calling saying if i do these two things it's fine. but if i give -- no one is questioning. >> the clintons they're moving

towards a $200 million net worth. hold on. this isn't about helping poor people. this is about bill and hillary clinton helping themselves. now if they want to help poor people, they can help poor people. but if this were all about the clintons just helping poor people instead of making upwards of $200 million, no would have talked about it. >> i think a lot of people probably would not be talking about -- >> that's a false choice, by the way. >> right. the president nor the secretary are taking money from cgi for themselves. they're out there making a living for themselves and people making the argument that the two are con flated. you can't denight the cgi does valuable work. >> yes, but they work for other organizations. >> the cgi does valuable work. but jeffrey sacks would come on here and say, actually they're one of the least effective big organizations. jeffrey zack has said publicly that most of the people in haiti

believe that actually the clinton foundation set back relief operations in haiti because they would come in. they had a massive footprint. they got in the way of people doing it for generations. people can get angry because i'm quoting jeffrey sacks. but i suggest that you e-mail jeffrey sacks. i only bring that up to say this whole thing about you can help poor people or you can put money in the cayman islands and, i don't understand. i mean it's about, mika the clintons making upwards of $200 million and bill clinton's speech making pay days exploding after hillary clinton was secretary of state. and exploding in places that had business before her state department. >> i'm just not sure how that was even -- i don't want to say allowed, but i mean there are -- >> when she became secretary of state, they set out a set of rules about -- rules of the road. >> i'm surprised. >> it was agreed by all sides

that president clinton could give speeches. there were limits on donations and which donation this is he could take from which foreign countries. >> but not limits on how much money he could take personally. >> correct. but that was all discussed. >> but the market sets the price. >> it's all legal. >> should the husband of the secretary of state be able to go out and give speeches for hundreds of thousands of dollars to foreign governments, foreign organizations? that's her question. and my answer is that i don't know exactly who did it. but someone in the state department or the white house signed off on the arrangement when she became secretary of state. >> and obviously, there were a lot of arrangements that were not disclosed. >> some weren't. but you could -- i think this one was. i don't remember exactly how. >> i'm just saying in general. >> yeah. >> you know i think what is also fascinating about this mika, it's just not going to make a difference at the end of the day. the clintons are the clintons are the clintons. it's not going to most polls. >> but what will is a very well

manicured brick driveway. that will move the meter. >> if marco had only gotten an above ground pool he wouldn't be having the issues he's having. again, i want to underline again, though there are some important issues that have to be examined had his background. >> absolutely. i just thought it is interesting. >> but those aren't the ones. >> right. >> i heard he is consistently violated the watering ban for his lawn. >> oh, my gosh! >> really? >> yeah. he watered his lawn every day. >> so we'll have a follow up on the parking tickets? >> by the way, very interesting this "new york times" story actually followed and everybody is talking about the "new york times" story. so many of the facts were first unearthed about it associated press, the daily mail had written about it before and then "the new york times" came in. so it looks like an opo dump. it's also an ap dump and a daily mail dump. >> okay. we're going to turn to mckinney, texas, where we're hearing an apology from a lawyer for eric casebolt. that is the police officer who

resigned tuesday amid outrage over his actions while breaking up a pool party last weekend. listen to this casebolt's attorney said when he arrived at the party he was under stress. having just responded to two suicide calls that took quite an emotional toll. >> with all that had happened that day, he allowed his emotions to get the better of him. eric regrets that his conduct portrayed him in his department in a negative light. he never intended to mistreat anyone but was only reacting to a situation and the challenges that it presented. he apologizes to all who were offended. >> the lawyer went on to say that casebolt has been receiving death threats and is now in an undisclosed location. i'll just add the first suicide call was apparently extremely disturbing scene and he spent a lot of time trying to help the

spouse and then i think the second one involved a teenager that he talked down. it was a very highly stressful situation each of them singularly. >> life and death situation. >> life and death and disturbing. >> yeah. apparently he did a great job. mike i was thinking yesterday, because i had heard the police chief say that he came in hot. willie said he was clearly agitated from the video he saw when he came to the scene. i was just sitting there thinking, okay, so we're seeing this clip and horrific and he deserves everything that he gets, et cetera, et cetera. but i was going, i wonder what happened to that guy earlier in the day? and somebody should have put their hand on him early on and said are you doing okay? i guess cops don't have a chance to do that in real life. they don't have that luxury. but i wonder if it would be receiving death threats if somebody had videotaped the two suicide calls earlier in the day and just -- force. >> i doubt it. >> again, make nothing excuses. but we have got to put policing

in general into better perspective unless we want to drive off everybody on the force. >> none of us sitting here and very few people out there who are not members of police departments are married to members of police departments can appreciate the level of pressure, the constant pressure during the course of a routine shift. a routine shift. i mean you get out of your car to get a cup of coffee in a variety store, it's in the back of your head you know something might happen in. there you never know what's going to happen. domestic disputes are among the potentially most violent things that can happen during a police call. this young officer, i mean we should feel terrible for what has happened to him now, death threats. that's inexcusable. but i don't understand how he could participate in what was described as the first suicide call where apparently the victim kills himself or herself, i'm not sure fit was a male or female. >> and they not take him off. >> not have an extended period of time writing out the report

if he was the on call officer. i don't understand that aspect of it. >> why he was there. exactly. >> yeah. i just don't get that. look, perhaps he just chose the wrong profession. you know? if you can't deal with that kind of pressure on a day to day basis, maybe he chose the wrong profession. >> i think it's worth looking at everything that was going -- doesn't change what happened. >> it's inexcusable he would be severing death threats today though. >> let's go to upstate new york. we have new developments in the manhunt on the two escaped killers on the run. a perimeter was set up about three miles from the man hole cover the prisoners emerged from during their escape. law enforcement officials are searching every car within that perimeter completely. the surrounding school district has also been closed for the search. it comes after a fresh tip triggered a flurry of police activity overnight near the maximum security prison. residents were even instructed to turn on their home's exterior lights to assist. earlier in the day, however,

other information suggested that david sweat and richard matt may have been headed for vermont. >> we deployed our vermont state police marine assets on lake champlain. we have information that suggests that they thought that new york was going to be hot, vermont would be cooler in terms of law enforcement and that a camp in vermont might be a better place to be than new york. >> those developments come as a spotlight continues to shine on joyce mitchell a prison employee and so-called person of interest in the investigation who is questioned into the evening on wednesday. joining us now live from the latest search area in morrisonville, new york john yang. what is the scene like there this morning? >> we're being kept pretty far away. they have a pretty broad perimeter here. there has been activity here all night. it started about 9:00 last night

when there was increased activity here even when i drove by this area a couple hours earlier, there were state police cars state forest troopers lined up along the highway as darkness fell and it began to rain, search teams were going in to fields and cars -- they turned those cars so the headlights were shining into the field. at some point they decided to hold off on further action until the sun came up until they had some light. they brought in light stands. so that's what they're doing now. nbc teams inside the perimeter are telling us there are armored vehicles now moving in. a heavy police presence. the most intense presence we've seen in some time mika. >> john yang thank you. keep us posted. something possibly developing there. still ahead on "morning joe," the gop field for 2016 seems to grow by the day. why that may be a good thing for the republican party. also ahead --

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i have kids in the job market who have been subjected to this. >> i'm not comfortable with some of the questions. how much time does it take for you to lose your temper? do people fail to realize when you're upset? you have ever deliberately told a lie? is it important for you to be praised for success? i mean they're interesting questions. but let's turn the tables. >> mika how about this one, you have ever used a display of emotion to get what you want? >> some of the employers we talk to said yeah i'm glad i never had to take any of these tests because they are really personal and hard to figure out. >> wouldn't the appropriate answer be these are really personal questions and i don't know you that well as much as i'd like -- >> you won't get the job. >> why? >> because what is wrong with the questions? if someone is trying to basically figure out whether you are the right person for this job, why are those not questions that are interesting and know the answer to? >> because i would think the fact that can you do the job and that can you have a good healthy connection with someone you're

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you can do a lot of things on american television. you can't bore the american people. they were writing about the democrats and the republicans convention that year. bloodless affairs, decided months in advance with funny hats and colorful signs being the only action that tv cameras picked up on the convention floor. that was a long way from mike wallace and dan rather being shoved around in 1968 by daily's thoughts. but it wasn't always that way. the conventions were once alive with drama, vote trading, the stalking of policy positions and robust, vigorous debate about the future of this country. 70 years ago people would have scoffed at the idea that conventions could turn out to be so damn boring.

hue burt hem hubert humphrey's speech was a moment. a plafrpg that was considered doomed hours early. the conservative movement at the cow palace in 1964. four years after nixon and rockefeller stole away to betray them in the night during the 1960 done vengs or ronald reagan launching a revolution with an impromptu speech after his challenge almost brought down a sitting president in 1976. >> this is our challenge and this is why here in this hall tonight, better than we've ever done before, we have to quit talking to each other and about each other and go out and communicate to the world that we may be fewer in numbers than we've ever been but we care i didn't think message they're waiting for. >> what a moment. when actually history stood in the balance at a political

convention. three decades of tamed convention was have been unthinkable. that's what we're left w cbs's bob sheef ert said in 1988 now that everybody knows ahead of time who the nominees are, these conventions have become more like a boat show or an auto show. "wall street journal's" editorial board adding except they don't televise boat shows in prime time. presidential primary debates are still shown on prime time but they could soon become as predictablebly boring as conventions. some party leaders are trying to stop it. new hampshire republicans have come out against a plan to limit primary debates at the top two candidates. and yesterday they proposed splitting them into two back to back debates, randomly placing three of the top six kanld dates in each. so all kanldcandidates have a chance to be on equal footing. lindsey graham says he agrees f that seems like self-interest because graham's currently below the threshold of polling, then take the words of a person in the top four and he wrote that

chairman of the gop last month saying "limiting participation of qualified candidates does our party a tremendous disservice." now the chairman's intentions are good. the 2012 debates were brewedish affairs. tiptoing around every debate like tiptoing around every convention, afraid that it's going to descend into chaos of chicago 1968 at the slightest disagreement, well that sacrifices spontaneity for sterile certainty. the 2012 debates actually did give some candidates a chance to stand out and to shape the national debate. newt gingrich wrote a rocket out of the 2012 performances all the way to winning the south carolina primary. >> i believe every american of every background has been endowed by creator with the right to pursue happiness f that makes liberals unhappy, i'm going to continue to help find poor people how to get a job, a

ger job and learn some day to own the job. >> you know that moment got him a standing ovation because the debates were one of the last high wire acts of american politics and people loved seeing that. love seeing where the nation's eyes all turned at once where anything can happen. the fact is there is no front-runner. 2016 might be an outlier, an anomaly when more than a dozen major names in the gop seek the white house. but the current debate plan would cut out a two term governor of ohio a two term governor of louisiana, a former budget chairman and the first governor of indian dissent in the nation's history and a three term governor from new york. the only female kanld date from the party's business wing a two term northeastern senator from the evangelical wing and the most prominent voices on national security. now these voices all that i've talked about, represent the diversity of my party, the many sides of conservatism.

i say let the democrats run a coronation over the next two years. republicans should run a competition. the free marketplace of ideas, keep the candidates coming. keep the ideas flowing. and keep the debate open. it just may be my party's best chance to do something it rarely does anymore, mika and that is win a national election. >> there are a lot of good voices out there and a lot of voices. i think you're right. >> no doubt. >> it's exciting. up next 450 additional american military advisors preparing to head to iraq to train iraqi forces. but will this make any difference in the fight against isis? state department spokesman john kirby is our ge next on "morning joe."

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enough to slow down the spread of isis. and more needs to be happening on the ground and we or our allies need to be playing a stronger role. but, again that is another tactical step. what is the overarching strategy that the united states and our allies are going to employ to go out and stop the spread of this horrible disease? >> pulling our troops out leaving no one behind. probably the worst decision so far of the 21st century. you want to know why isis exists? he just told you why. because he didn't have a strategy for iraq. the strategy for iraq should have been to leave behind a substantial number of american soldiers who would have picked up isis, islamic nation whatever you want to call it at an early stage and we would have been able to wipe them out at an early stage instead of letting the monster grow its head while this president didn't have a

policy for iraq. this would be like a presidential -- >> i didn't have a policy. it would be like john kennedy saying, i don't have a policy for the soviet union. give me three years zbhchlt hard to hear that we shouldn't have gone n but republicans extremely critical of the latest move on the part of the president sending 450 advisors to iraq to train iraqis and help them lift up themselves which some think is impossible. senator john mccain calls this incrementalism. i don't necessarily disagree but i'm not hearing an alternative that anyone could agree on either. anybody here at the table can see an alternative that both sides could live with that actually would be effective? except for perhaps biden's plan? >> look the biggest criticism and it's the most warranted, justified, there has not been consistency in what we're doing. i think the concern around the

president's kmenzcomments in syria and identifying what would trigger a broader american involvement and when that did not happy think it certainly created more disarray and more confusion and it's caused many allies in the region not to fully invest in america as their security strategy. you have a combination of things. i think it's unfair for speaker baner to make the comments without offering a set of answers. and they have been a big part of the indecision and the lack of clarity. but there is no doubt the commander in chief has to lay out a strategy. and for the president to say he doesn't have a complete iraq strategy certainly opens the door to the kind of comments and criticism that came from mayor giuliani. >> joining us now, state department spokesman kirby with us. how much of a role does iran play in this decision making here in terms of a strategy? how it is being considered as a part of a strategy? >> let me start it by saying that the strategy that we're executing in iraq and it is a

sound strategy and work zg include a component of helping advise and assist iraqi security forces to improve the capability in the field. and that's what we furthering here with this announcement by the president yesterday of the additional 450 military personnel. now look iran is a neighbor of iraq. iran is involved in the issues going on inside iraq against isis. we know. that at least with some advice probably with some material support as well and we know there are shia militia fighting in the country as well. we said to all other nation involved in this struggle is we don't have to do anything that would further enflame sectarian tensions. we're not coordinating directly with tehran. we did not consult tehran over this particular announcement or any aspect of the strategy that we're executing. >> steve? >> admiral, there are a lot of questions as you heard us talk about a minute ago about what the strategy is and how far it goes. is what we're looking at now the strategy, is there more that's going to come?

we've heard suggestions about doing more to arm the rebels in syria. is this the strategy we should expect to see going forward or are there other shoes that are going to drop? >> i don't know if i would say shoes that are going to drop. but what you saw is an announcement of additional troops to go in as advisors in anbar province area. that's the air base there. that deployment that decision is simply additive to the train, advise and assist mission that we've been doing in iraq. we have four sites in iraq performing similar missions. this one is added to that. it furnlgz it. it strengthens it and deepens a core mission area of our coalition inside iroc. it's -- iraq. as to for as changes or shoes to drop. i think you're going to constantly re-evaluate.

you have to look at execution every single day to see if you have to do something different, um improve, sharpen, deepen. it's a componentst overall strategy and actually designed to help a core mission area inside that strategy get a little better. >> mike barnicle? >> you've been around the block a few times. we used to be the strongest tribe in that area. is iran now the strongest tribe? >> i don't think there's any doubt, sir that, the united states is still a global leader. and still looked to for leadership in that particular part of the world. this is not one nation trying to have control here. we have concerns about iran and the support to terrorist organizations and to hezbollah and to other activities in the region, of course. certainly we're working on them on this iran deal. this isn't about, you know

who's the big dog. this is about going after a very significant threat to our security and to the security of the region and that is isil. this is not something that just the united states and frankly iran has concerns about isil but this is something that the global community is concerned about. >> rear admiral john kirby, thank you very much. come back as this conversation continues. thank you. up next bloomberg business week's 38,000 word essay that is all about a single word. that story is next. ♪ eight time zones later... you finally reach this booking lavish tokyo hotel. and so does: jetlag ♪ ♪ woman: whoa. ♪ ♪ woman: ha ha... ♪

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what do you do? >> what do i do? system architecture networking and security. no one in this house can touch me on that. the internet heard of it transfers half a petabyte of data per minute. do you have any idea how that happens? you'll the ones and zero stream being directly to your smart phone day after day and every [ beep ] if you can't get the new remix in under 12 seconds, its not magic. it's talent and sweat. people like me ensuring your packets get delivered unsniffed. so what do i do? i make sure one bad con fig doesn't bankrupt the entire [ beep ] company, that's what i [ beep ] do. >> now that's knowing your valley.

>> mike judge is -- i -- i'm afraid to say how much i like the show because of all the beeping. there butthe, the bleeping there, but it's a great show. a series from silicon valley where the influence of computer science is in our dalea lives, delicately explained. we have the editor of "bloomberg daily." i can't wait to read this because it's the longest story ever written. >> thank you. >> in business week and about computer code. >> about code. >> that will get the kids like going crazy. >> keep them coming. keep them coming. >> it's not a sexy subject, but something has happen idin the last couple years. software has been with us since the 1940s. it's always been okay to say, software, it's done by those guys and we see it but it's a new packet in your house, in your car, and its's really no

longer socially acceptable to say i don't understand how it works. if you're a business person and you don't understand how software works or coding works, you're about to be left behind. >> really? >> absolutely. i have been working on the web for 12 years and i have faked my way stlou more meetings than you can imagine. i maybe understand 50% of what goes on and i'm in charge of the money. that's not a good place to be. i'm going to generously say maybe i understand more than many of my contemporaries. we need to understand this thrust this into the front of business people and society. if we were at ignorant about medicine as we are about code it would be laughable. so it's sort of timed to wrestle with this, and the reason the story is so long is frankly, we actually think do it once do it right, and the person we got to write the story is amazing. >> i hear your point about medicine and code but i go to a doctor when i have a medical

issue. and presumably they're going to give me the best advice and course to follow. comparably, how much coding because you say if you don't understand, i imagine if you think you don't understand it i certainly don't understand it. how valuable and relevant will it be. we had somebody say to get a job, would you need to do this to get a job? >> it's not that you need to code, but you have to understand how software gets built and how people who do software think. one of the things we tried to set out is look it's a lot harder than you know and also a lot simpler because code is just a series of instructions. a computer is just a clock with benefits. it counts to one, it counts to two, right? code allows it to do all the comp uitations to build things. when you're watching a movie on your laptop that's just code. road is rendering those things. it's a series of instructions repeated billions and billions of times. in some wass it's not nearly as

hard as we made it out to be. some of what the piece lays out is companies all the time say, man, why don't we get one of the guys from google to build our website and it will be done? there the guys from google aren't coming. these are incredible high level skills but you need to understand how it's built. >> always a dangerous game asking your boss a question on live television. >> you i do it. >> 38,000 words. how do you break this down in a readable way. >> he says it's boring josh. >> in your position? >> fantastic. presentation is the best i've ever seen but besides having a great writer how do you break it down in a way that's digestible. >> great writing in itself is a great skill. the guy is paul ford. he's literally a unicorn. he's a great writer and a great programmer. so he and i talked for a long

time. and the piece is funny. it makes pretty important points. we don't shy away from actually putting lines of code into the story because look it's serious and technical. at the same time it has an impact. we have edited the piece now, it started 18 months ago. >> good lord. >> paul and i have been going back and forth. he at one point like many writers do would disappear. i would troll him about the fact he hadn't hit his deadline and he would go back to work. this has been going on for a long time. >> it's important. you really get a since this could be the difference between the past and the future. >> it really is. if you're in business you have decades to go. if you don't understand it your horizon is going to shorten. >> it's available now on newsstands tomorrow. josh thanks a lot. >> thank you, josh. still ahead on "morning joe," schools are closed in one new york school district as the manhunt for two escaped inmates

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can you tell us is the president, does he have a pack of cigarettes in his hand? >> he does not. >> what was it? >> i probably wasn't there. >> i understand, but did he tell you what it was? >> you may not be surprised i

have not raised this issue with the president today. >> the president, as you have acknowledged, he reads media reports, and it's everywhere this picture with him holding -- >> i'm not sure that's the way i would describe it. >> it is everywhere check it out. >> i have. >> well i mean the size -- i'm not a smoker but the sizing looks like i mean so you're -- >> i told you it's not there. let's move on. >> little testy. let's move on. >> let's move on. cigarettes or not. cigarettes or not. >> nicorette. >> he grabs it every 15 20 minutes without fail. >> there you go. >> i believe he's not drinking. >> mika what do you think? >> i'm with mike. really interesting article on the front page of the "new york times" about michelle obama. about the speeches she's been choosing to make where she's choosing to make them in terms of speaking to young people and

opening up about race and her success. >> an interesting piece. >> how she navigated all this and didn't enjoy all of it either but that's okay. still tried to do so much. >> at the high school that was really a piece of herself talking. >> it was. it was her speaking to herself. >> her environment. >> to her years ago. >> a lot of news today. the big news the president sending more troops over to iraq. >> so we'll start there. 450 additional american troops prepare to head to iraq as part of the fight against isis. president obama approved the plan we first told you about yesterday, where military advisers will help iraqi forces try to recapture ramadi. they'll be sent to a new base that is located near onan bar province and they'll speed up the delivery of body armor and guns to sunni fighters. ash carter says this does not represent a change in mission since u.s. troops will still not take part in combat on the

ground. it will bring the number of american troops in iraq to about 3,500. >> mike barnicle. >> you read the stories. you hear the stories about more advisers. bombing runs body counts. >> right. >> we've been here before years ago. >> we have been here before. and you know -- >> well, do we stay home? do we do nothing? generals are always fighting the last war. we all are exhausted by 12 years of war, but what's -- do we just stay out of iraq and let isis take it over? >> no. no. >> and upend the entire middle east. >> you sense talking to people in the administration there's kind of -- it's a muted split within the administration among people who want a far more vocal and a far more forceful response to the growth of isis. something this president clearly wants to stay away from. i think everyone wants to stay

away from the growth of this war, but at some point, we've got to address the fact that we are involved in a global war. it's not just us. >> we are involved in a global war, and you're right. it's not just us. the "new york times" is suggesting the president is not doing enough. it's always damned if you do damned if you don't. we heard the same thing with george bush and the surge. i heard from every general i talk to 30,000 troops was not enough to turn things around in iraq. it was a political move instead of a military move. hearing the same thing this morning. great they're there, but if you don't get them off the base in combat, advising the troops nothing is going to happen. >> not just the "new york times" or the "washington post", it's in the administration. 1500 advisers coming from the top military leadership. what this underscores is two things. one, the president just does not want to get too deeply involved. i think he's going to do

everything possible to keep from doing that. if he was willing to take a bigger step the administration needs to see the sunni tribes are willing to play that the shia government will allow the sunni tribes to be willing to play. that's at the core of what they're trying to do. i don't know that 450 is enough to do that but they need to see some type of reciprocation before the president is willing to take the bigger steps. >> you talk about the president does not want to get more involved. some of your more impassioned speeches on this show have been about bringing our troops home just ending it stop it with the engagement, with the losing of blood and treasure in an endless war, and yet, we noticed it yesterday in the conversation i guess i'll call it debate with lincoln. i couldn't get an answer on a strategy in the middle east or in the fight against isis because there wasn't one. maybe there isn't -- there's a great argument on both sides, which brings us back to joe

biden's plan. you know what would work beyond, you know sending in tons of troops and gettingutting the place again and getting engaged for a long period of time or a mission creep or what? >> if you're going to send 450 troops, don't keep them on the base. if you're going to do it do it. if you're not going to do it don't do it. no, i don't want 10,000 20,000 30,000 people there, and i'm not saying that. what i am saying is if you're going to send 450 military advisers you have to send them in a capacity that every military person is saying they need to be effectively used. i personally think the president is going to get there. the only way forward is to look at the realities on the ground in this nation that we called iraq for the past century. that is understand that there are three, maybe four countries there, and just going by lines that the british drew years ago isn't going to get it anymore and it's going to continue us

going around in circles. >> more conversations on this but let's move on. in january, jeb bush launched his exploratory committee amid the belief he could dominate the field. this morning's "washington post" explores why that has not come to pass. infighting among top staffers and allies led to this week's campaign shakeup and his super pac's fund-raising goal caused unnecessary embarrassment. in a politico report it suggests the combined efforts will hid the $100 million mark. still, the shock and awe strategy failed to wow the republican field. one says the bushes have always underestimated the depth of the base's dissatisfaction with their policies and they take the criticism personally. meanwhile, former republican senator tom coburn offered this blunt assessment of bush's chances in the general. >> well i don't think another bush can get elected. i think there's bush fatigue. the fact is his last name will

kill 47% of the votes for him. potential votes in this country. that's a big deal to get over. you know why would you run against that when you have all this really tough rhetoric that has been against george w. who i think was a great president? that is still out there, that's still churning on the left side of the political spectrum. so why would you run a candidate that has -- is going to have trouble with 47% of the electorate? >> coburn, is he right? >> well, i don't know if he is or not. i think a lot of people may be saying that. i think jeb bush right now is having a problem that we have seen, mike and you have seen it for years. huge top down campaigns, trying to figure out a way to bring all of the people together. there were food fights there, according to the "washington post" report at the very beginning between mike murphy and other members of the team.

they were more interested in that than getting jeb elected. you see that in massive campaigns where the shakedown crew is part of the campaign is saying i'm in charge of this i'm in charge of that. internal power struggles instead of struggles against the candidates trying to take your candidate's head off. that's a sort of thing that needs to be taken care of by the candidate before the campaign starts. not several months in. >> his campaign arrived in a small lake like an aircraft carrier surrounded by little rowboats. he's the obvious target his campaign is the obvious target for the other campaigns to aim at. probably the campaign was, as you point out, too top heavy. a lot of highly paid advisers, we have won this already. how often have we seen this before? with regard to what tom coburn said, couldn't you say the same thing about the clintons? >> it does seem you could apply -- it discounts them out.

>> for some reason, what applyies to the clintons does not apply to the bushes. i don't quite understand it. you look at the polls. the democrats want hillary clinton. republicans very skeptical about picking another bush. >> why are they so skeptical? i understand the ideology. >> i think it's early. i do think it's very early. and also you've always got to put the responsibility at the end of the day on the candidate. when you're jeb, you've got to say, you've got to be far more aggressive about saying this what we did in florida. this is my conservative record. i was one of the most conservative governors in america. and i'm going to bring that talent, being conservative idealogically and moderate temperamentally to the white house. i'm not a fire breather. i'm not going to scream and yell. i'm going to actually win voters in the middle. who like conservatives but are

but put off by flame throwers. he needs to do a lot more of that. he hasn't launched his campaign yet. it's still june. there's a long way to go. we'll see. but right now, it is ill defined and mushy. i don't know what the message is. >> what's interesting is there's almost like two campaigns. jeb bush who has been on the ground doing that. taking over 1,000 questions, meeting with everybody. sitting in rooms, going to forums really trying to present his case for what he did as a conservative governor. can present his case for why he believes what he does on common core why he believes what he does on immigration. then you have the massive campaign apparatus where you have aides coming from old jeb bush world, aides coming from new jeb bush world, and there's kind of the difficulty has been trying to mesh those two. i think to your point, it's early. it's very early. i think he made a decision to move forward. >> now, to upstate new york and new developments in the manhunt for those two escaped killers on the run.

the past few hours, a perimeter was set up around a location about three miles from the manhole overcover where the pris nns emerged in their escape. law enforcement officials are searching every car in that perimeter completely. it comes after a fresh tip triggered a flurry of police attention. earlier in the day, however, other information suggested david sweat and richard matt may have headed for vermont. >> we have deployed our vermont state police marine assets on lake champlain. >> we have information that suggests that they thought that new york was going to be hot, vermont would be cooler. in terms of law enforcement, and that a camp in vermont might be a better place to be than new york. >> those developments come as a spotlight continues to shine on joyce mitchell.

a prison employee and so-called person of interest in the investigation who was questioned into the evening -- >> is this woman really the woman who masterminded the escape from alcatraz? >> there are no metal detectors there. which makes no sense. and i don't know what they will find from her, but there is some link. joining us now live from the latest search area in morrisenville, new york. miguel almaguer. what are you hearing about the tip that led to the new perimeter? >> good morning. what we're officially hearing from investigators is a tip did lead them here to this area. but i can tell you over the last couple of minutes here we have seen a building of a police presence, at least entering from the location behind me just a few moments ago, a tectical squad heading up the hill. investigators have also told schools in this area to shut down for the day. it certainly looks like police activity in this area is building. again, the surge last night, but as you mentioned earlier,

investigators were not just focusing their search in this area but also across state lines in vermont. officials there have begun searching boats, docks, and cabin properties along that area. it now looks like the search is focused back here in new york all along investigators have had a heavy police presence here. this as they still question that 51-year-old prison insider, joyce mitchell. investigators say she's a person of interest. it's possible she could face charges. she is still being investigated tonight, as this search kicks into high gear this morning. >> n brk c's miguel almaguer. thank you very much. let's bring in former insistent director now at the homeland security department. law enforcement officials have gotten hundreds of tips in this investigation so far, but what i guess what kind of lead would trigger the activity we're seeing? >> it could have been a couple things. i mean, i think at this point, they're getting a lot of

information from mitchell. they're getting a lot of information from other inmates in the facility. they could have found some physical evidence of the escape at that particular location and have it blocked off and are doing a very tight grid search in that area. but this is a very daunting task, when you look at that area. i just happened to be driving through there a few months ago. it's a resort area dotted with a lot of summer homes that are not yet open. so i mean they could be hiding in any one of these vacant homes or god forbed they got into a place and are holding someone hostage, which i think we have seen in other fugitive cases in the past. >> what other information -- look, i'm looking at some of these papers looking at the connection with this woman, joyce mitchell. who worked inside the prison as a seamstress. what comes to mind in terms of

why they would be talking to her and what connection she could have with the escapees or anything else? >> you look at the personality of these two psychopaths. they know how to manipulate people, they know how to seek out, find victims that they're able to manipulate to get whatever they need. you know whether it's information, whether it's power tools, whether it's maps of the facility. so i mean they obviously picked this individual out. and this was -- just looking at how they escaped and the fact that two people that were serving basically life sentences had somehow manipulated themselves to get into the honor block is another question i think has to be answered. and i think the two governors touched on that yesterday about lessoned learned. >> thank you very much. still ahead on "morning joe," the group that new jersey governor chris christie says the gop needs to reach out to if it

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my party, quite frankly, has been guilty in some respects of speaking in a way that doesn't sound very welcoming. to new members. when you lead the most ethically diverse state in america, you don't have the luxury of only leading and listening to those people who voted for you. and i've come here today to say to all of you that now is the time for us to start a great dialogue in our country that is not accusatory that is not looking in the rear shoe mirror but is looking through the windshield. >> making the case for inclusiveness in the republican party when it comes to hispanic americans. >> we have steve ratner also with us mitt romney's 2012

campaign manager. steve, you must have heard yesterday me talking about howing to spin the $17.34 phil griven gives me if i should bet on jeb bush. you say despite the opinion polls, the smart money is on bush. >> you said you were ready to bet your many on bush so i wanted to give you courage. >> that's what i need. because i lack courage. go ahead. >> all right, so there are those of us who believe the online betting markets are a better predictor of outcomes than the polls. >> why is that? >> because it's actually people putting down real muchy and saying i think jeb bush is going to win. polls are where you ask people who do you think is going to win. >> the track records going back time and time again, sometimes they get 50 out of 50 states right. sometimes they only get 48 out of 50 states right. they're right a lot more than the polls are. >> a predecessor picked the last three presidential candidates

with 48 49 50 states each of those elections. last time around picked 31 out of 33 senate seats correctly. anyway let's look at what's going to happen in 2016 perhaps. so as you well know the polls are very close among the top republicans. even going all the way down to people like ben carson. but the prediction markets have a different view. they do think not withstanding everything i heard on the show earlier today, that jeb bush is well ahead of the other two. they think rubio and scott walker are tied and they basically think this is a three-man race. and everybody else is to the right, and in the polls, anyway and all the people that are not on here are in very very low single digits. >> again, stark contrast to what you hear what you read and also what you see in the polls. >> if you look at the polls, as you know these five or six top people are tightly clustered. >> so now let's look at odds that are longer than secretariat 1973 before running to belmont.

hillary clinton, what is she, one to three? >> she's got a 76% chance of winning. now, that's also a bit more than what she has in the polls. the polls have her at about 59%. again, the market thinks this is pretty clear and that none of the rest of these folks have much of a chance. >> republicans, more troubling. your final thought on whether they'll be in the oval office. >> the betting markets are clear. 59% think the democrats are going to win. if you look at the political polls, they would put it close to a horse race. there's a whole series of these online markets that basically think the same thing. permy, i think it's a little early to say this and some of this may be the fact that the republican nomination is in such a muddle and the democratic nomination seems so clear. >> that looks skewed. >> you hope anyway. >> katie, you worked with mitt

romney's campaign. given what you learned through that whole process, what do you make of what's going on with jeb bus's campaign? >> i think that they recognized that they had some challenges so they're shaking things up. i think some candidates make the mis mistake of doing that late in the game. i think he made the decision to do it early. it's good to do it before you launch your candidacy. maybe it's unsettling a week before your launch. >> you obviously based on the polls you have obviously, you agree with chris christie that gop needs to be more inclusive. you think it may have hit mitt romney in 2012? >> we just did a survey on immigration reform and the position that republican candidates, you know might be likely to take in a primary, trying to appeal to voters on the right. and what we found is interesting. we found that only 1 in 5 gop primary voters really feels strongly about the issue of sending illegal immigrants back

to their countryfff of origin that most republican primary voters actually support a path to citizenship. >> you worked with mitt. do you agree like a lot of people agree what he said in iowa early on absolutely shattered his chances with his fan base. >> i don't think it was the only reason we weren't successful but it was a contributing factor and handed our democratic opponents a tool in their arsenal to whack him with. it was harmful. >> yeah. i think they did. >> no doubt about it. all right, thank you so much. we greatly appreciate it. where can we find the poll? >> you can go to burningglassculting.com. we have it there. >> perfect. thank you so much. coming up on "morning joe," is it really a revolution if the same injustices say in place? >> now that mubarak stepped down, what is your first wish? i was like end sexual

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29 past the hour. the ntsb is removing talking on the phone and texting from its list of possible causes for the amtrak derailment in philadelphia last month that killed eight people and injured over 200 others. engineer brandon bostian is cooperating with accident investigators although he suffered a concussion in the accident and does not recall any of the events leading up to the incident. he immediately provided the pass code to his phone so investigators could begin to search through the records. while there's no evidence of any calls or texts, officials are still examining if any apps were active at the time of the crash. that could take weeks or possibly even months. so far the ntsb has ruled out signal malfunction, drug and alcohol intoxication and now calling and texting as potential causes for the derailment there. turning their attention to potential makaanical failure,

operator fatigue, vandalism and other sources of human error for the deadly crash. now to a documentary that follows three egyptian women during the arab spring uprising and its aftermath. here's a look at the trials of spring. >> now that mubarak stepped down, what's your first wish? i was like end sexual harassment. every egyptian woman can be assaulted at any time. and what prevails is impunity.

>> joining us now, the film's executive producer abigail disney and its director jenny retiker. thank you. >> from mubarak to the muslim brotherhood, and then from the muslim brotherhood to ceasy, how have things gone over that arc? >> pretty much the same. it doesn't really change whether it's fundamentalist regime or a militaristic regime or repressive regime. it comes out the same for the women. so that's the barometer. >> what do we see in this in terms of the women you're weaving through it? give us a sense of how bad the situation is what they endure and what they're fighting for. >> well i think that all of the women we talked to started out really thinking they were fighting for the same thing that everybody else was, which is freedom, justice, and bread.

economic abilities. and we started out the project thinking we were making a film about triumph, and we started following them, and the main character gets arrested in the early days. in a demonstration against the military. and she ends up her trial ends up taking place through all the three different regimes. we follow her. >> wow. >> yeah it kept getting postponed and postponed. and then when cici came back into power and the brotherhood was over anyone who had opposition at all terrorist. her trial was switched to the terrorism court and she was actually convicted, sentenced to a life in prison. but she wasn't there. and in egypt, if you're in absentia, they have to get you and bring you into the court to actually incarcerate you. and she managed to slip out of the country. >> we were talking about this a little before we went on the air. a three-year-plus project.

you probably went into it thinking it was going be something it wasn't. at what point did you recognize as filmmakers this wasn't going to be a happy story, a story with a great ending necessarily? was there a specific point or moment where you said this wasn't going where we thought it was? >> it's really nice to have a happy ending. we thought we would have a happy ending, but about when morrissy was arrested and there was a slaughter of the protesters about 850 people were slaughtered, that's when we knew things were going very far south. and you know the sexual assaults in the square started almost right away. and on international wednesday, there was just a really deliberate targeting of women. in both cases, it involved both regimes. it's been a long slow deterioration, but that was an abrupt moment of real recognition. >> you usually think military

regimes, even if thuggish are not going to be as oppressive as say the muslim brotherhood towards women's rights. there are examples of how it's a secularizing force. >> right. >> but not here huh? >> i think basically what happens is that women become -- it's almost like women's bodies become a battleground. what was happening is nothing to protect women because it was an easy thing to make a plital hay over. they could say they're going to do something about it but basically, they let the situation deteriorate. >> the trials of spring premieres this friday. abigail and jenny, congratulations. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> still ahead, we showed you the daily show's takedown of the "new york times" for its story on marco rubio's finances. up next john stewart's take on the paper story about rubio's traffic tickets. also ahead, how google plans to use technology to improve

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today. as we head into the 2016 presidential election no one is asking harder questions of the candidates. hillary clinton's e-mail scandal, jeb bush's fund-raising, and one of the hottest, fastest rising politicians in the race. this is going to be devastating. >> the "new york times" ran a story about senator rubio's parking tickets and his traffic history. >> since 1997 the couple has amassed 17 citations. most of those tickets, 13 in all, were given to jeanette rubio. >> oh! [ bleep ]. marco rubio got four tickets. in 17 years.

i assume the "new york times" obtained this damning information from marco rubio's plaque in the hall of best miami drivers ever. >> you know you just said something off-air. >> me? >> which is -- okay i said something off air, the reason hillary would never -- this would never happen to hillary is hillary hasn't driven her own car since 1978. >> listen. >> that's an exaggeration. >> you people thought that was a weakness. that's a huge positive. you can't get tickets. >> you can't get four tickets in 17 years, which is a pretty good record, actually. >> let's take a look at the morning papers. usa today, the los angeles city council voted overwhelmingly to approve an ord nnls that would raise the city's minimum wage to $15 an hour in the next five years. thank you, l.a. sending it to the desk of mayor eric garcetti. his officer says the mayor

expects to sign it on saturday. under the ordinance, the city would begin to raise its minimum wage from $9 an hour to $10.50 in 2016 and reach $15 an hour in 2020. small businesses with 25 or fewer employees will have an extra year to comply. >> the "new york times," pope francis has approved the creation of a vatican tribunal to hear cases of bishops accused of covering up or failing to protect children from sexual abuse from priests. they told the times the panel's responsibility for judging bishops would include questions of omission. quote, what one should have done and didn't do. the action is what reverend james martin calls. quote, the missing link in the church's response to the abuse crisis because it's not just the abusing priest. it's when a cardinal knows a priest is abusing a little boy and then says nothing and gets him out when the heat comes up and then allows him to go to

another church and start abusing more boys. >> totally agree. san francisco chronicle, sex sells, apparently even when it comes to water conservation. that's the tactic the san francisco water commission is taking. in a new ad campaign encouraging bay area residents to continue their water conversation the ads feature tongue in cheek phrases that would appear on billboards and social media. one about shorter showers reads short and steamy. >> another says just push it with a tagline, sweep, don't spray. i read it so you don't have to. the washington post struggling to decide whether to have pizza or hotdogs for dinner? i always say, why not have both? that's not going to be a problem starting june 18th because that's when my friends at pizza hut will begin offering up what andrew joey and jack and i will

be eating. hotdog bites pizza. >> now, come on. no no no. >> 28 mini hotdogs. >> that's gross. >> a side of french mustard. hotdog crust pizza isn't all that's new, though. >> i would eat the whole thing. >> the chain has sold a variation of pizzas overseas with fewer hotdogs, but we're america. we all want all 28 hotdogs in our pizza crust. >> i'm all about it. >> talk about hot and steamy. >> no you're not. >> i think it's a great thing to combine as many terrible foods into one as possible. that's america. that's what we're all about. >> that's so gross. >> it shows our pure domination. >> it's going to take longer. i'm going to get the pizza and i'm going to have to take all 28 individually out and i'm going to put them on a separate tray and wrap them in bacon and put them back on. >> that's the next step the

progression. >> and -- >> what are they thinking? >> time for the business before the bell with michelle cariceo cabrera. >> why, michelle would they do that? is that a good business move? >> you're talking about the pigs in the blanket pizza? that's what it looks like. >> it's gross. >> that was my favorite hors d'oeuvre when i was little. >> oh, god, look at that. i'm hungry. other than pizza hut stock going through the roof today, what's happening out there? >> so it looks like we're going to have another rise in the stock market to add to yesterday's rally which means the dow is back in positive territory for the year. it's been pretty rocket for the bond market as people have been moving stocks selling bonds sore interest rates have been rising so it's a sharp rise that has taken a lot of people by

surprise. you see the headline, it swings back into positive territory because of greece? we learned there is no deal in greece. we keep waiting. this is months and months of back and forth whether they're going to agree to reforms. they're fighting over how old people should be when they retire. the actual retirement age is in the 50s where in the rest of europe, they moved it up to the 60s and there's a lot of fight about that. as people are getting more and more nervous about not coming to a deal more and more people are taking euros out of the bank because they're worried about capital controls where they shut down the banking system and say you can only take out 200 or 300 euros because if you don't have a central bank backing you up you don't have cash to put in the atms to give to people. it's getting to crunch time pretty soon. >> michelle thank you very much. up next on "morning joe," why men may not be the answer to how to restore america's middle

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we are living through a moment of transformation we have want seen since the industrial revolution. >> the middle is being squeezed. the poor they're more of them

and the rich are doing great in the world of obama. >> a higher minimum wage will not bring anyone even to the middle class. >> we lower the corporate tax rate we know it raises middle class wages. >> many of the jobs that once sustained our middle class are now being done by machines or they don't pay what they once did. >> how many of you think the federal government is going to save the middle class? if you raised your hand you came to the wrong meeting. >> some of the 2016 presidential field with their takes on how to bring back the middle class. >> the new book "american mojo lost and found" good to have you onboard. congratulations on this next book. you say women will be the new engine of the middle class. >> i think women are a flex factor, and you have to look back over a 50-year slice, but if you look today, every minute of every day, women start a business in this country.

that's the cradle of job creation. >> is that more than men? >> much more than men. a rate of 221. to 1. >> why is that? >> 70% of venture capital goes to men, but women have a determination to grow and build. and that's what they're doing. >> so you talk about things that have to be done. commit to a trillion dollars on u.s. infrastructure create massive good jobs. and encourage greater new business creation. put some meat on the bones, if you're advising marco rubio, jeb bush, any of the other republican candidates what would you tell them the first thing they need to do. >> it seems all 20 people running for president want to increase the middle class, none of them terribly specific on how. i would create a $20 trillion goal commitment. it would create jobs -- >> you mean infrastructure?

>> yes. and if we did that we would create good jobs. multiplier jobs jobs that require you hire something else lookside, and it would do one other important thing, engage the people of the united states in rebuilding of the country. >> a lot of people would say that we tried that in 2009 and barack obama found out as he admitted later, there were not shovel-ready projects and it may not have been the best way to create those jobs. >> i would never confuse an orgy of spending with a development effort. there are many many shovel-ready jobs right now in this country waiting for money. we have not touched the gas tax since 1993. and everywhere you look we have crumbling infrastructure. if you look further, there are jobs out there, there are 4 million high skilled jobs right now available, open. these jobs don't need to be created. they need to be filled. a big difference.

>> phil? >> peter, you talk about how the middle class does not look now like what we kind of all investigation inin envision the middle class as. what is middle class in today's society, today's economy? >> middle class has become a mapmaker's nightmare for this reason. it was mostly white, an earned level. now it looks like an atom with a core group, and millions of electrons going in and out. the way i would describe it there are about 45 million poor people in the country today, and that's really tough. just above them are 50 million more americans who are hovering. they're hovering just a twist of life's knife away from a trip down to the middle class. so 40% of americans' kids will spend some part of their childhood receiving food stamps and the family received food stamps. so entering and leaving of the middle class is changing everything. >> so isn't this just a much bigger problem? i mean the more we talk about

this, the more it seems to me that we are a country that grew up with a sense of optimism since the war that we were going to always control 50% of the world's economy, because the other 50% was bond. and there has been a steady decline, but a lot of that has just been natural. the natural order of things germany builds its factoryies bark. japan builds its factories back. china wakes up and they're still in the 20th century, but isn't this just the natural order of thing things? >> a seminole point of the book if you look outside the borders, that's where 80% of the purchasing power is on the globe, where 90% of the economic growth is in the globe, where 95% of the consumers are. >> you're actually saying take what many people have seen as a negative, the fact that we're now in massive competition with

the rest of the world, turn it into a positive and get their money. >> here's a way to do it. if you look at non-japan asia ability 4% of their economies are spent on health care. we're about 20%. we have a gold standard in the economy. if we shipped our capacity in health care to these countries, we would benefit, our middle class would benefit. they said there will be a billion new members of the middle class outside our borders. who knows better than american companies how to serve them with services and products. our solution is overseas. >> the book is "american mojo." thank you very much. >> looks great. >> thank you. >> up next breaking details about who was supposed to be the getaway drivers for the two inmates who escapes a new york prison.

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detectors there. in this day and age, i don't know. i would think they would be worried. >> what did you learn today? you have three seconds. >> if an editor sends me a poster, i say, no. >> and then when your fearless leader is here, you tell him, that is an awesome 38,000 word story on code. if it's way too early, what time it is? >> time for "morning joe," but now it's time for "the rundown." have a great day. good morning, i'm jose diaz-balart. first on the run down breaking news out of the u.s. district court in virginia just 30 minutes from now, a 17-year-old will appear before a judge to be sentenced for helping a high school class mate in his bid to join isis. the first known instance of a teenager being convicted of assisting the terror group. the young man's name has not