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today. >> single moms do face challenges. but they should be celebrated for all they do. not shamed. after my parents broke up i was raised by a single mom. i know the struggles they could face and they don't need it added to their struggles to be shamed and to be ridiculed. and to be suggested by someone who wants to lead their nation. thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton. "hardball" starts right now. still trying to catch him. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews. are the guys close? are they in the wooded area in day six of the guys who escape
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from the maximum security prison in new york. and sources familiar with the investigation tell nbc news that a prison employee joyce mitchell, was going to be the getaway driver for the escapees richard matt and david sweat, until she got cold feet. she said she helped because richard matt had charmed her because she thought it was love. so she will be charged in her role but for now, investigators are continuing to talk to her. the massive search effort continued today and remains junlds way at this hour in a heavily wooded perimeter not far from the facility where they escaped. sources close to it told nbc news that search team are following on a lead that was developed late last night from a k-9 unit for bloodhound who picked up the scent of one of the fugitives. it involves 500 people along
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with dog sniffing units. the schools were close asked people are urged to stay in their houses. john thank you for joining us. why do they think they're still pretty close? >> people familiar with the investigation tell us that joyce mitchell, this prison worker the female prison worker told investigators that she was supposed to be the getaway driver. she was supposed to provide the ride when these two guys popped up out of the manhole cover but she got cold feet. what the investigators' words are to us chickened out and checked herself into the hospital with a panic attack. so they think they didn't get very far. they had to go on foot. then last night a tip about the area, a few miles behind me. they get there with bloodhounds. they get a sense, a hit on the scent of one or maybe both of
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them. and that's why they're focusing on that area. they've been in there doing a close grid search since sunrise. several hours now, obviously, and so far, nothing. chris? >> what about this wooded area? they have the perimeter marked off. a wooded area. you hear that. they can't see who is in there. does that seem to be limited to that? are they putting all their focus. in limited area in the forested area? >> well we know that's where they are now. we know that the helicopters, we've got state, federal customs and border patrol helicopters in the area. they're not only strafing the search area. they're going back over other areas where they searched before. so they're not focusing entirely on this area. they're still doing a general search of the surrounding areas as well. but the ground search the grid search where they go sort of at
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arm's length through these areas, these fields these woods, that's in a fairly focused area. >> let me ask but the public reaction. we reported a few minutes ago that people were being told to stay in their houses. are people locking their doors for fear one of these two murderers might show up at their door or window? >> we've been talking to people on the phone who are living this area. and they say they are. they're staying inside the house. school was canceled. as a matter of fact, one family. they got the call. the reverse 911 call saying school was canceled. he looked out the window and sees his house surround bid cars and people. he goes out there talking on guys from the fbi and he says he's been there since midnight. when we asked how he's getting along, he said the family is doing its best not to get on each other's nerves but they talked about where the safest
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place to be was. they talked about going to a hotel and decided to stay put. what about the news somebody spotted one of these guys. >> charles ramsey the police chief came out and said they have no renal to believe that's true. they think it is under founded. there are all sorts of problems. there was a cab driver who picked them up and took them to 30th street station but then picked up two other fares before he called 911. they had problems with it and charles ramsey said it was unfounded. >> okay. thank you. nbc news caught up with joyce mitchell's ex-husband. they were divorced years ago. he would say to her now. >> you have a nice son. you screwed up everything. you had a nice house and everything. it looks like you had a nice job. your life was being taken care
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of and you screwed it all up. >> let me start with jesse and this question of grooming. what have you been able to find out the pattern in which prisoners try ingratiate themselves? especially lifers are guards so they can get special things out of them. in this case an he is came route. >> it was interesting. the top com in the state of new york said these guys were model prisoners and they've been in the honor wing of that prison. that requires to you lrn to the rules and listen to the ceos of all times. with that comes certain advantages and it appears they took advantage of it. >> are those perks being able to wear street clothes? what are they? >> my understanding is it is stuff like watching television
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to be able to have a little extra time in the commissary to pick things out. they have to go through there. this in this case these two guys were considered to be reputable prisoners. if you can say it that much. they did take advantage of it. and in talking to sources that i've been in touch with they basically managed to ingratiate themselves with this woman, joyce mitchell and then use that relationship in ways that we're not entirely clear about. to gain some sort of favor and get through prison wall. >> i'm hearing dogs bark. >> the critical tip that set off today's search came from a canine unit about five miles to my west here. the canine units have been out in force. i've seen several searches that have involved canines in other
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locations, they're using these dogss a lot. there have been thunderstorms moving through. that tends to make that more difficult for the animals. >> you tell us the way a person would be able to ingratiate themselves. establishing a romantic relationship even. they seem to have gotten the promise of a getaway car. >> your question is how. it is remarkable. let's start with that. i think if we just look at the color of the uniforms that these prisoners are wearing, green. and they're surrounded by woods. so obviously somebody in this prison system is not thinking things through. and i don't want to slam anybody or throw anybody under the bus. we can start will and get an idea for the fact that it appears to me, we start with the uniforms and look at the
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relationship that was allowed to develop. they were able to get tools and get out of this thing. there is something broken inside that prison that is allowing these thing to go on. >> do you know much about this term called grooming where hardened prisoners are able to develop relationships systematically with their guards? >> you have to remember these are two murderers. so they're predators. and predators will do what they have to do. a lot of people there are psycho paths. getting to wear civilian clothes, getting close to people that aren't just prison guards. in this case, a prison worker which means she doesn't have the mindset of a prison guard per se. she has a civilian mindset that happens to be working in that facility. >> let me start now.
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the age old technique. is this what we have, the personal objects connected with them, their scent, and relying on the dogs to pick up the scent perhaps miles from the prison? >> you would be amazed at these dogs. some of the people involved have said they're invaluable. their noses are so incredibly strong and efficient at getting scents. until we develop a better technology, dog sniffing is one of the things. we have great work amongst the fbi, the local and state law enforcement and even the department corrections. their s.w.a.t. type groups out there. and then you have these dogs. it really comes down to the grid
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searches, having a large grid and then certain type of input from locals. and i have to hand it to them. they're not letting of the of the fact that they kofld north. i think the canadians are involved. it could mean they go further. >> i wonder if they got a break the and hitchhiked. people still hitchhike. i used to do it. if they did, they could be to the canadian bored near couple hours. any way, thank you. coming up hillary clinton may have found an issue to run on that fires up the left and the center. she is student loan reform the core of her campaign. another big move perhaps to the left. she is working on an issue which is important that elizabeth warren has been championing and pioneering. he's talking about a law that allowed unwed mothers to publish
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their sexual history in a local newspaper when putting their child up for adoption. that doesn't seem like good idea. jeb bush should have vetoed that bill and he did not. also the mentally ill musical genius of the beach boys. it is called love and mercy. the director is with us tonight. finally let me finish with this student loan issue myself. audible safety beeping audible safety beeping audible safety beeping the nissan rogue with safety shield technologies. the only thing left to fear is you imagination. nissan. innovation that excites. the pursuit of healthier. it begins from the second we're born. after all, healthier doesn't happen all by itself. it needs to be earned... every day...
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we're getting a first look at the next phase of the clinton campaign. she will outline four key elements of her speech. she'll lean heavily on her mother's experience of being abandoned as a child her. message will be focused on family. she will say, it is your time. she'll double down on her rollout message that the deck is stacked in favor of those at the top by saying wealth isn't just for ceos and hedge funld managers. the big goal is to frame this as a choice. of course the president of emily's list which has endorsed hillary clinton's bid. thank you for coming on. how do you sense this.
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has she found a way to move to the more populist side by talking about ghangs in the economy? >> well let's remember that hillary clinton has spent her entire career working for women and families starting at the children's defense fund. a lot of what you'll hear this weekend is her deep history, being a progressive. and yes, we've already seen in the first two months of the soft launch that she is really focusing on every day americans and the economic policies to move the country forward. a real contrast with the republicans. >> what do you make of her reference to hedge fund managers and ceos? she has talked about them. now she is going after hedge fund managers who we know are big contributors. is this an issue where she is going after people who
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contribute to the campaign but yet drawing a wedge. >> she has made it very clear this campaign is about everyday americans. this is about the voters. these are about folks looking for economic opportunity and a fair shot. we've seen that in the policies she has begun to roll out. immigration refor or talking about debt-free college. this is a focus where we need to go moving this country forward. and we can't focus on fundraising. we have to focus on what's best for the country. >> so you mean she's willing to make the choice for the voters the contributors. >> she will have the support she needs from sxhls millions of americans. she will really focus. how do you respond to this? she is not going into the real
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left field area. talking about structural change to the economy. big time reintroduction of wealth. she is talking about trying help the peel in the middle or the lower level of economic life in this country catch up a bit. she is not saying cut the benefits of the hedge fund operators. she is not going that far. she is talking about how not just those people should be doing well. a little bit of a hedge. >> a little bit. i think that hillary clinton will have the same messages that republicans will have. which is they will be fighting for the middle class like hillary clinton because that's where the votes are. one of the biggest funders is a hedge fund managers. so i think for her she has to make sure that she doesn't be seen as a hypocrite by attack the same people that are biting the hand that feeds her in many
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ways. >> are you guys going to do something like that on the republican side? the tax advantages of the people at the top? they get on count what most consider regular income. are you going after that on your side if she doesn't? >> i doubt it. >> see, then -- >> how can you call her a hypocrite then? >> i think what republicans will do without too much government interference can lift the boats. like a john f. kennedy. >> what is the free market doing for students and parents trying to afford higher education today? apparently leaving them socked with six figure loans coming out of college and grad schools. $100,000 $150,000 debts people are carrying. >> that's a good question. i was talking to a colleague of mine with over $200,000 worth of student loans. i think republicans have to come
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up with major. a lot of families are facing the same thing. college is too expensive and the value proposition is not there for a lot of folks. i don't think that having the government which currently controls all the student loans is the best place to get them. >> clinton has a plan coming up pretty soon to overhaul student loan debt. if you're one of the 40 million saddled with over a trill dollars, this could be a grabber politically. politico reports this could be her signature domestic policy issue with a big announcement coming in july. the details haven't been finalized. it may include loan rates to people at the bottom. it could be getting a lower rate because the current rates are lower than the ones you got. also talking about hillary clinton may be talking about
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punishing the schools that default, the students default on loans. any way, they've sought out policy experts with close ties to hillary clinton. what do you think that she is been looking at the same experts of senator warren? >> i think hillary is very wise to be talking to as many as we can. this issue of college student debt is immense. it is weighing down an entire generation and becoming generations of americans. and with the goal with hillary's goal of debt-free college there, i think we'll see some policy that's get us to that goal. it is something we absolutely have to do. and john just talked about the republicans needing a message. and i couldn't agree more. we haven't seen any the rollout of any policy that's are dealing with economic opportunity.
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when there are such issues like college debt that we have to deal with i really see hillary's leadership and the democrats' leadership on these issues moving forward. >> we have a big basketball game tonight in cleveland. i'm going to ask to you throw a junk ball out there. give me one idea for reducing the debt load for students coming out of college. one idea. >> i like the idea, if you work for the government or a nonprofit or work in service to the country, you should expand the g.i. bill. should you get help with your debt. i think that's good for taxpayers and for students. >> okay. public service benefit. what do you think? >> we have to get around refinance debts that so many people have now. we have an entire generation of graduates who can't even think about buying a home because they have so much debt. like we have to get our arms around that too. >> okay. they're talking now, by the way, there is talking about getting it down. if you can refinance, you can
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take it from 6.7 down to 3. if you owe $100,000 it would be cutting it down from $500 a month to $250 a month. that's a lot of difference. >> that what that would do for the economy. that much more money to be able to spend, to think about expanding into growing a family to buying a house. just spending. it would completely change our economic situation. >> the problem is the government right now controls all of the student loans. this is a problem with the government. it is not a problem for the private sector. this is an issue that has to be fixed. more government doesn't necessarily help that. >> i know. the reason is government is in it is the private sector can't handle it. don't be knocking government but there was not anything else helping. stephanie, thank you so much for coming on. thanks for coming on. up next the hot new movie about the beach boy, brian wilson. it is called love and mercy.
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let's try it. here's how you do it. ♪ so it's the first beat on the last bar of the intro. ♪ >> isn't creation something to watch? that's paul. the film tells story of wilson later in life when he is isolated struggling with mental illness and effectively the prisoner of his own psychologist who controls every aspect of his life. >> do you know who this man is? brian wilson. brian wilson of the beach boys. >> oh! you didn't mention that. >> that stuff doesn't matter. that's ego stuff.
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>> are you kidding me? i love your music. i grew up on it. >> that makes me feel really good melinda. >> okay. >> right? a nice night. why don't you get started on the paperwork? okay? >> i'm joined now by the film's director/producer. i had never seen a bad guy in a movie, ad bad as paul. was that really that bad that this psychologist, this shrink was able to physically capture and control a genius like brian wilson every moment of his life? >> yeah it really is accurate. we talked to brian. he was involved in the film throughout the process so we could see whether we were going off the rails or exaggerating. i mean actually brian has had a couple times he said it was worse than the way we portrayed it. he was a pretty divisive guy.
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>> let me ask you what you learned about creativity. i'm always stunned when they try to capture, richard rogers and brian wilson. the creative process. somebody gets in their head, a melody. and then they develop and it orchestrate it and arrange it. what is that like? how does that genius work? it is entirely creative. >> yeah. i mean that was part of what we wanted to explore in the film. obviously, brian kind of came up with the most iconic music of our generation for sure. and how he does it is a bit of a mystery. certainly he has suffered from and continues to suffer from a form it is called skitso effective disorder. a form of schizophrenic disorder. he hears things in his mind. very complex orchestrations, melodies and harmony that's are so complex that people can't
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understand them. there is a dark side basically, he can't turn them off either. it is part of his genius and the madness as well. >> these songs are in our heads all the time. every summer in new jersey we would have a new beach boys song on the boardwalk and they are songs of my youthful here's another song from the movie. wilson creates a melody out of nowhere for his girlfriend. let's watch. ♪ >> that was so beautiful. >> thank you. >> what is it in. >> that's just something that i came up with when i saw you. >> what are you going to do with it? >> nothing. it's gone. it was just for you. >> how did you decide to do
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these two, it isn't a bio pick. i had periods of his life when he was zooming with creativity. he was functional. and then he is not functional. so much a prisoner of this bad shrink. you really feel like he is completely lost. >> yeah. for me sometimes a biopick where you're getting the moments of his life. it allows you to get into the moments of his life to feel what he feels. we took these two different areas in his life and intertwined them hoping that kind of harmony, it will paint the portrait a little more deeply. the good side and the bad side of everything he dealt with. >> i saw hit the weekend. here's another clip from the film that shows how controlled
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wilson's life became because of that shrink. played by the great gee mati. she was selling cars. she is played beautifully by elizabeth banks. let's watch. >> hi. >> i'm great. >> you look really great. >> thank you. >> wanna go? >> yeah. >> i forgot your apartment number. >> why does it feel like the prom all of a sudden? >> i'm not sure. >> thank you. >> hey, melinda, you look great. >> hi. >> did you make cusack look shorter in that movie? was there some camera trick to
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make him look like more of an average size guy? >> no no. that was actually true. elizabeth is not short in any way. i think they matched up pretty well. we didn't have to do anything like that. >> in the movie, he's great. i've always been a fan especially since seeing high fidelity. the movie is called love and mercy. one of the greatest groups ever the beach boys. up next jeb bush faces questions. can a business have a mind? a subconscious. a knack for predicting the future. reflexes faster than the speed of thought. can a business have a spirit? can a business have a soul? can a business be...alive?
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the judge asked to order the arrest of the officers. however, the opinion is largely advisory. the investigation remains in the hands of prosecutors. the family has filed a wrongful death suit against officers in that case. back to "hardball." welcome back. annal excerpt from the 1995 book is getting renewed attention today. first dug up by laura bassett of the "huffington post" this week bush decries the loss of shame in unwed motherhood. here's jeb bush. one of the reasons more young women are giving birth out of wedlock and more young men are walking away from their paternal obligations is that there is no longer a stigma attached to this behavior. no longer a shame.
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there was a time when neighbors and communities would frown on out of wedlock births. a remind per public condemnation of irresponsible sexual behavior has strong historical roots. that excerpt has been associated by critics with a 2001 bill in florida ordering the adoption regulations in that state which then governor jeb bush did not veto, allowing to it become lawful it said if a mother wanted to put her child up for adoption but could not confirm the oindent of the father she could be compelled to publish her sexual history in a local newspaper. he modified it but only after a state court found it unconstitutional. here's how they summarized the law. it requires women to run advertisements disclosing their names, ages height hair and eye color, race and weight as
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well as the child's name and birth place and a description of the possible father. it required the women to provide details of the dates and places of sexual encountered that might have produced the child. women were required to run them once a week for a month in the community where the child may have been conceived. i want you all to give me your take on this. why it's important, do you think, what we know about jeb bush? i want sam to start. >> we're talking about two things. first is the book which is talking about women having sexual partners out of wedlock and the whole could not september of shaming as a public policy. and the second is the law. there's one common thread which makes they will all important. this notion that you could use shame as a tool of public policy. if you look back at today seems
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incredibly antiquated and a little over the line. he was in trouble with conservatives for not vetoing the legislation. i imagine that it would be more difficult to defend in this day and age when people really do care about privacy rights individual responsibility and individual choice. in that case i think it matters for his candidacy. >> i was in the wake of, when we look at this now it seems very antiquated. the '90s was hardly the mad men era but wasn't too out of place where social conservatism was still on the rice. rise. >> i'm trying to drill down a little on this. as a woman this just screams at me in so many ways and so many levels. it is just wrong. not just privacy. whose business is it how many partners partners you had? one or two? i walked the the florida state senate democratic leader who
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told me who gave me some really good information. she said during that time she was there and she voted no for the bill. but also, she said and this is something really interesting. debby watersman schultz was a florida senator at the time. she was the only democrat to vote no. you heard many of the leaders in florida say they wanted to push this. to get this adoption bill pushed through so fast that they really didn't read all the information about the bill to include that you had minority children who could have been outed. you had, not minority. underage children. and then you had people who were raped. who had to give their information. so this bill screams in a lot of ways and it is wrong. privacy and otherwise. it is just bad. >> so you all believe that there was an intention by the state legislature with bush going along with it to shame women.
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wasn't to find the father's identity. you believe the purpose of the bill was to hurt women's recommend tags by forcing them. you believe that was the purpose of the bill. >> going back to her, she said that jeb bush passed this bill. he signed it into law knowing they wouldn't veto it as long as they could change it down the road. >> but he didn't sign it. >> he signed it but he didn't veto it. >> he did not sign it. >> i think there are two purposes. one was to discourage mothers at the point of decision from offering up their children for adoptive services. the other was to have kids stay with the paternal parents. don't put them up for adoption. the second was essentially, if you were going to put them up for adoption give the father a notice that the child was being put up for adoption. but i think you could have good intentions but bad means of
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getting there. i think what happened was they rushed through the bill. it passed with very, very large majority. but also, it kind of screwed with the adoption process. there was a woman who wanted to give up her child to the paternal father. to do so she had to publish all her sexual encounters in the past however many year history so it didn't facilitate adoptions. >> i should add that part of the reason this will be a problem for jeb bush including in the primary, certainly the general, if you're a republican woman, you're coming from a party that says abortion is wrong and illegal. but for someone who has a child. a woman who has the child and does the responsible thing putting it up for adoption when you can't take care of it, the law says you'll be humiliated and shamed. >> so with you. i am a catholic. i have to tell you. adoption is one of the most beautiful things in the world. for a person who can't provide for a child offers that child to
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someone who can. it is a wonderful thing. why anyone would want to make that onerous or shameful i don't get it. any way, here's what bush had to say about the shaming of unwed mothers. >> as it relates to the book the book was written in 1995. my views have evolved over time. but my views about the importance of dads being involved in the lives of children hasn't changed at all. >> i'm not sure how his views have evolved about shaming. he remembered about the 2001 which was six years after that article he wrote in that book. >> i don't remember what the purpose, what the repeal was. i can remember what the purpose of the law was, to enhance the ability to collect child support because men have the responsibility of taking care of their children. >> well any way, the roundtable is staying with us. is that a pack of cigarettes in
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we're back. president obama was in germany at the g-7 summit earlier this week and a picture on social media sparked suspicions that perhaps the president is lighting up again. a white house spokesman was asked for details. >> does he have a pack of cigarettes in his hand? >> he does not. >> what was it? >> i don't know, april. i wasn't there. >> josh earnest said he hadn't asked the president about the story, but april ryan continued the questioning. >> the president, as you acknowledged, reads media
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reports and it's everywhere this picture. >> i'm not sure that's the way i would describe it. >> it is everywhere. check it out. >> joining me right now is that insistent reporter, april ryan. april, first of all, if you had to pet $100 one way or the other if this thing gets resolved at some point, would you bet he had a pack of cigarettes or he didn't? >> that's $100 i can keep in my pocket no matter what, i'm not going to bet. >> if you were asked the question you must have thought it was cigarettes. >> anything and everything that the president does is presidential. it wasn't meant to be anything hard or soft. it was just we saw a picture and i wanted an answer. the president had said something about he tried when he came into the white house, he was trying the kick the habit of cigarettes. so we see something in a picture, and the box looks about the size and the fingers are going like you know, so i
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didn't know, and i asked the question. >> i want to be fair and square here. i'll put the $100 for any of you that want to bet it was cigarettes. you, sam, first. if we get this resolved will you put $100 that it was cigarettes? >> so you think it was not cigarettes? >> i'm just asking you, will you make the bet? we're talking about this crap. i want to know if you think it's true one way or the other. if we don't know what we're talking about, we shouldn't be talking about it. >> it's your show. i happen to think it was cigarettes but i have no proof. >> $100 want to do it. >> no. >> your words and thought process is not worth $100? >> no. >> i'm going to close the betting window in about three seconds. >> would you give him the benefit of the doubt to have a cigarette? he has the most stressful job in the world.
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>> you haven't thought about whether he was carrying cigarettes or not? >> whatever he was holding, he was holding like it could be cigarettes. there's that element. >> that's right. >> i wouldn't judge him. i don't think it's an impeachable offense. >> so nobody has any guts to say he was smoking. why do you think this is important, april? you did have the guts to ask the question, why do you think it's important enough to ask the question of the president's spokesperson this >> he is the president of the united states. some people say health reasons, you shouldn't be smoking. but you have a president who says he was trying to quit. we see him chewing the nicorette gum because he's trying to kick the habit. if he is smoking, and i will say this i wouldn't blame him. he literally has the world on his shoulders.
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when he first came into office he looked like a teenager. now he's aging gracefully. his hair is white. there is pressure and there is tension in that job. i would not blame him if he did taste a cigarette or two, and i don't smoke. >> nor does it impact his ability to do the job. >> exactly. >> any, thank you, sam, april. when we return let me fin wish this student loan issue, which is a good one. across america, people are taking charge of their type 2 diabetes... ...with non-insulin victoza. for a while, i took a pill to lower my blood sugar but it didn't get me to my goal.
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so i asked my doctor about victoza. he said victoza works differently than pills and comes in a pen. victoza is proven to lower blood sugar and a1c. it's taken once a day, any time. and the needle is thin. victoza is not for weight loss but it may help you lose some weight. victoza is an injectable prescription medicine that may improve blood sugar in adults with type 2 diabetes when used with diet and exercise. it is not recommended as the first medication to treat diabetes and should not be used in people with type 1 diabetes or diabetic ketoacidosis. victoza has not been studied with mealtime insulin. victoza is not insulin. do not take victoza if you have a personal or family history of medullary thyroid cancer multiple endocrine neoplasia syndrome type 2, or if you are allergic to victoza or any of its ingredients. symptoms of a serious allergic reaction may include swelling of face lips, tongue or throat fainting or dizziness,
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very rapid heartbeat problems breathing or swallowing, severe rash or itching. tell your doctor if you get a lump or swelling in your neck. serious side effects may happen in people who take victoza including inflammation of the pancreas (pancreatitis) which may be fatal. stop taking victoza and call your doctor right away if you have signs of pancreatitis, such as severe pain that will not go away in your abdomen or from your abdomen to your back with or without vomiting. tell your doctor about all the medicines you take and if you have any medical conditions. taking victoza with a sulfonylurea or insulin may cause low blood sugar. the most common side effects are nausea, diarrhea, and headache. some side effects can lead to dehydration, which may cause kidney problems. if your pill isn't giving you the control you need... ask your doctor about non-insulin victoza. it's covered by most health plans.
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i'm here in philadelphia tonight to give the commencement address at pierce college, so let me finish tonight with this student loan issue. this has the authenticity of real-life people everyday people as hillary clinton calls them. like mothers against drunk driving, a solid cause if there ever was one, parents who see their children headed off into the world packed down with six figures of student loan debt. the trick here is to find a way to reduce that debt. i left college owing $2800. that's $2800, not thousand dollars. one hope might be to cut the interest rates. i paid 3%. young adults are paying twice that amount on hundreds of thousands of dollars. we need to find a way to deal the interest rate and the principal. how do we free young couples from the prospect of having this big debt lingering when they
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approach their 40s and 50s. senator marco rubio reported that he only recently paid off his student loans and he's running for president. bottom line it's a real problem. a genuine issue, something we should put our heads together over, not that the president grabbed a smoke in germany. that's "hardball" for now. "all in with chris hayes" starts now. >> tonight on "all in" -- >> my son is gone and i want to know how long i've got to wait for justice. >> breaking news from ohio where a judge says the policeman who shot and killed 12-year-old tamir rice should be charged with murder. plus was the man who called the police at that mckinney, texas pool party the sam man accused of hurling racist remarks at the african-american teens there? jeb bush says he has evolved since his 1990s call for more shaming of unwed mothers. >> the book was written in
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