mary. so while transparency and honesty should always be looked for, let us not be confused. it was always blacks and whites that fought together. so her race is not a determining factor. her honesty should be the only thing that we discuss. thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton. have a great weekend. "hardball" starts right now. still on the loose. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. well the manhunt for richard matt and david sweat the two escaped convicts is in its seventh day now. the longest escape from a maximum prison in new york state in modern time. late today the new york state police announced the arrest of

the prison employee, joyce mitchell, for allegedly assisting sweat and matt in their escape. the police announced her arrest just moments ago and issued a warning to the convicts themselves. >> we're working seamlessly around the clock with several agencies in our hunt. we have a message for david sweat and richard matt. we're coming for you, and we'll not stop until you are caught. >> we're coming for you. meanwhile, law enforcement are ratcheting up their mainpower to find them. more than 800 officers are now flooding an area just south of the prison. bloodhounds picked up the scent near there on wednesday night. authorities say they also found candy wrappers bedding and footprints. however, this is important, there have been no confirmed sightings whatever so far of the two escapees. i'm joined by adam reese from morrisonville, new york, a few miles from the prison. let's talk about joyce mitchell here. what category does this fit into? i've never really heard about

someone helping in major escape like this. >> she's been very cooperative with police. she didn't have a lawyer. they said today that all the interviews with her have been both productive and fruitful but tonight she's been arrested. she'll be arraigned in a few hours. she's charged with providing material support and a felony contraband. she was bringing materials in to assist them in their escape. in fact, she was allegedly going to be the getaway driver until she got cold feet. tonight she faces seven years in jail. >> that makes sense to get cold feet because they may have killed her, right? >> i'm sorry? >> they may have killed her once she got them in the car. they didn't need her any more. >> and also there's some concern, there's some discussion this evening that maybe bunone of the reasons this all came together she was concerned for her safety. they're still on the loose and she didn't want to be out there

and a possible victim. >> they're getting closer yet no actual confirmed sightings. how can that be? get ge getting closer but no sightings. >> they've got a perimeter. they're tightening the perimeter. they've got 800 law enforcement officials, they've got leads. this is very difficult. the rain the weather's been very bad. they said tonight these guys might be cold tired and hungry, just as they are. that makes them even more dangerous. that's why they're being even more vigilant this evening closing in on this perimeter. every inch. it's a grid system. they're going through every inch of this small area about three miles to the south of me a five-mile square area. chris? >> what about the candy wrappers or the food evidence? is that something that has been traced yet to the prison? to know that it's their food? >> well they've got a lot of dogs. they believe the source of that is the prison. but that's all part of the 700 leads. the dogs picked up some scents a

couple days ago. they picked up a scent yesterday. we were at headquarters the border patrol with some dogs today. they say these dogs are very good at what they do and if they're out there, they're gog get them. >> well done. adam reiss up in morrisonville new york. a prison official tells msnbc they call the process grooming to get at a staffer is more an issue at this prison than they would like to admit. i spoke to james conway, who worked at attica correctional facility. i'm joined by james conway the superintendent at the maximum security attica correctional facility. thanks for joining us. what do you make when you read about this issue of grooming of how joyce mitchell's now been arrested for helping a prisoner whatever giving them contraband facilitating their whatever movements. how does that ring with you as

experience? >> it's not surprising. these guys probably watched her for months and developed this relationship over possibly a couple years. they'll start with something very simple where one of them may say, the one that had the closest relationship with her, could you give me a hand with this machine? i'm having trouble with it. that gets them to have a one on one relationship with her. he'll thank her profusely. they observe their work habits. does she have a new york yankees mug on their desk? if she does they'll go research the yankees. boy, the teixeira sure had a good night last night. they kind of endear themselves with the employee. and when you have male employees working in female facilities and female employees working in male facilities, you'll have these type of relationships. they're going to develop, unfortunately. >> and this is a professional killers instinct to do that or

how broad -- how broad a facility is this? because i've read gavin debecker's book about the gift of fear and how they bond with people whom they're going to kill. in this case it's something that lifers particularly learn how to do? or what's their usual ambition, i should say, to get out or get something else? >> usually to get something else. not all people are doing life have aspirations of trying to escape. but they would like to have -- they want to have sex. they want to get drugs. they could use some stamps some money, some currency, some food. he may after a period of time engage in a relationship with the employee and say, it's been six, seven years since i've had a homemade chocolate chip cookie and she'll bring them in cookies, and when she does that he's got her. the hook has been set. >> how so? because now he can rat her out? >> now he can use that as leverage. then he may say, geez i missed the mail call this morning.

could you possibly take this letter out and drop it in the mailbox for me. that's what we call a kite. and he's trying to circumvent the correspondence procedure, obviously, then he can use that as leverage. you wouldn't want your boss to find out that you brought those cookies in our mailed that letter for me. how about some money or drugs or marijuana or whatever. >> an fbi guy told me that's what spies dop. they ask you for little favors. can i have that press release? next thing they say thank you for the help you did for me in the past. what can you do for me now? that's great to learn how this is done. >> thank you for having me. >> i like to know how that criminal mind works. james conway the former superintendent at attica. democrats had a choice back the president or back the unions. they chose the unions. plus tomorrow's the big day for hillary clinton. she's kicking off her campaign for president up in new york

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welcome back to "hardball." today the democratic party refused to cross the picket line. with the country's labor unions demanding defeat of a historic trade bill they had to choose between president obama who was leaving town a year and a half from now and afl-cio leader richard trumka. nancy pelosi was the last to fall. she said her party members had the impression the trade bill would hurt their people back home. they needed to do something like create jobs first, something like getting highway construction under way. if some democrats were happy today, she was not one of them. the most impressive member of congress seemed pained by the whole experience. here's the look and sound of the debate earlier today on the floor of the u.s. house of representatives as the vote approached. >> is america going to shape the

global economy? or is it going to shape us? i understand a lot of our members, especially on our side of the aisle, they don't trust this administration. join the club. neither do i. that is precisely why i support this bill. tpa puts congress in the driver's seat. >> we in congress despite all the rhetoric all the rhetoric we in congress will be in the backseat not in the falsely claimed driver's seat. >> if we want to protect working families we must stop fast tracking. >> free trade is critical for my constituents in central and eastern kentucky. more than half a million kentucky jobs are related to international trade and expanding trade agreements will provide even more opportunities for job growth. >> the proopponents of this bill have not played it straight. if they'd played it straight we could play it straight. >> right now china's writing the rules while america sits on the sidelines.

>> the vote today is why i came to congress. i promised the working men and women in my district that i would fight to make sure that they had a seat at the table when we were making decisions that impact their life and their livelihood. nafta cost us 1 million jobs and michigan is still paying the price. >> have you ever had one of those moments when you're compelled to come running down here and come up to the mike just because you're so enraged with the duplicity of some of the things you're hearing. some of the crazy things i'm seeing put out in the media by big labor, the willingness to make up stories, to make up facts. goebels would be very proud of them. >> trade adjustment is the equivalent of an execution, but you're getting to choose your last meal. but the end result is you're dead. or in this case you're losing your job. >> i know some members of this body don't like trade promotion

authority, some don't like trade adjustment assistance but today i'm here to vote for both because it is the right thing to do. >> pope paul vi said if you want peace, work for justice. economic justice. and i don't see that happening in this fast track bill. >> in the end, the house defeated the president on the first vote trade adjustment assistance, thus preventing the actual trade bill from moving forward. joining me is capitol hill correspondent kelly o'donnell. give us the capsule. it was a bad day for the president, i think. how do you see it? >> an extraordinarily bad day politically for the president today, but it may not be the end of the story because the way they've structured this they can try again next week. and that's what the white house tonight is asking for. and certainly house republicans want to see that happen too. today was big labor's day for sure, and for democrats especially from the industrial

parts of the country, i come from ohio. i understand the rhythms of that. and they got their piece today to say they won't go along even when the president comes here personally and makes an impassioned plea. one of the most stunning things today, chris, was the democrats who over the years of the obama presidency have told us often off camera they've been frustrated with the relationship with the white house today really let that break open and you had a handful of democrats who said on camera and publicly that they felt really mishandled by the white house, even insulted by the white house, simply coming up here right before the vote that this would somehow change their minds when they have heartfelt deeply rooted concerns with this. they also have concerns about how some of this might be used against them in re-elections. so this is complex set of issues politically and in the underlying substance of global agreements where the president said when it was on his european trip this will get done. today the brakes were put on by

one of his chief supporters nancy pelosi who spoke at length and with a lot of emotion and said sadly, she could not support this. and by voting against that first piece, it's like train cars on the tracks. they linked them together. so voting down first piece effectively killed the whole package for now until they can come back and try again. republicans had led the train car with a package for federal programs to retrain displaced workers hoping that would bring democrats along and even though they believe in that in substance and basically as part of their dna today they said they're going to vote against it to stop the whole thing. and that's where we are. can the president try to change minds between now and next week? you alluded to it. nancy pelosi said maybe if the highway bill got this sort of fast track attention, maybe that could bridge the gap. so she floated a way forward if that can be done. lot of machinations involved there, but at least that's one

sign of how they might achieve it. we just don't know tonight. it will be a rough weekend for the president. he said he would get it and he did not. >> kelly o'donnell, great from you on the capital. for more on what the vote means for president obama and his legacy, we're joined by white house press secretary josh ernest. is there a deal to be made here on highways infrastructure jobs, something that whets the appetite of the democrats to go for something the president wants, a trade bill? >> well listen chris, i actually think this is a president good day for the president. the reason for that is we got a piece of business done that a lot of people were pretty skeptical about. there was a sense all across this town that democrats and republicans could never successfully work with the president so pass trade promotion authority legislation. yet that's exactly what happened in the house of representatives today. there was a lot of skepticism about how many democrats we could convince to support trade

promotion authority. the white house will be lucky to get 15 17 18 democrats to vote for it. we got 28 to vote for it. from that standpoint we overperformed. now it's also true that we haven't gotten everything we wanted yet. what we're going to spend time doing is making the case to democrats that this is their last best opportunity to prevent trade -- trade assistance from expiring. the fact is this legislation that's previously been supported by every democrat in the house is legislation that will expire on september 30th if it doesn't pass the congress. so we're going to make the case to democrats not only should we prevent this important program from lapsing, we actually can expand it. we can double it in size and we can make sure that over the next six years about 100,000 american workers a year benefit from this trade adjustment assistance. >> but you got the car today but you didn't get the wheels. so without the wheels, that darcar is not much good. what will you offer the democrats to get them to support

their position monday or tuesday next week? you have to change a lot of minds. only 126 democrat that voted for t.i.a. you have to get that up to 215 or 16 at least to get a majority. >> but what i would say is the fact is the car was the hard part now we just got the get the accessories. >> oh really? you are so positive. here's my concern. i don't understand -- and this isn't your job to figure this out. but it is to explain perhaps why we can't do this. why don't they deal make on the hill? the president doesn't want keystone but he doesn't want infrastructure. he does want minimum wage. the other people want something else. why can't they go up on the hill and spend a weekend, get over a card table and say, okay we're going to get the damn highway bill used to be a big republican thing. why are you sitting on this thing? let's get that moving. then the democrats will feel like they're creating jobs and they're not killing the old industrial states. if you're building highways and bridges, you're creating a

tremendous market for steel and material and things that can be produced in those rust belt states. i just don't see why we can't all get to the table on jobs. >> what i would say is when it comes to this particular piece of legislation, we did successfully craft a bipartisan proposal that got support of both democrats and republicans in the senate right, and included trade promotion authority, that included a variety of provision, trade adjustment assistance, doubling the size of that program almost. it also included a bunch of enforcement priorities as well. that's the package that got strong bipartisan support in the senate and we got that through in the house except for one. so we got to go back to that one piece of the package and make sure that we get it through. the good news is we're not trying to convince democrats to support something that republicans had asked for. we're actually trying to get democrats to support something that democrats asked for. so that's why i say -- >> well they know -- >> we already did the hard part. now we have to do the last part. >> nancy pelosi made it clear the reason she voted against it

was to kill the trade authority, the fast track. she said it over and over. that's why she was doing it. now you're saying the democrats would be stupid to think we're just voting for trade assistance. no, they're giving the okay to the deal. they know what's going on here. >> they do. but i guess my point is that this is a procedural difference of opinion. it's a procedural snafu as i described it in the briefing before. we don't have to change minds. we know that democrats in the house of representatives strongly support trade assistance we have to get them to vote for it. >> if i thought the kool-aid would help i'd drink it. but i don't think it would help from my end. i do think both sides are right here. here's a comment. in the last minute push hours before the vote president obama went up to capitol hill to make the case to ask democrats to support the bill. the president spent 45 minutes with members of his own party, the democrats taking no questions, according to a source in the room reported by politico, he told democrats to vote your values. some democrats were not happy with the president's visit to

the other end of the pennsylvania avenue. here they are. >> the president tried to both guilt people and then impugn their integrity. i don't think it was a very effective tactic. there were a number of us insulted by the approach. >> do you think or does the president think that some of the members were scared of labor. they didn't vote their values. they voted their fears. do you think that's what happened today? >> i'm not going to describe motives of any member of congress -- >> he said the president's been accusing them of being in the tank with labor because they're afraid of labor. >> well look maybe members of congress have the luxury of indulging in questioning the president's motives. i'm not going to question the motives of any member of congress. i'm going to say if you consider the values that democrats stand for and that this president has fought for over the last 6 1/2 years we acknowledge that the challenging forces of globalization are not something thatty with can insulate america from. we know our workforce is being

affected by the significant global challenges. so the president's views, we can't just stick our head in the sand. we'll lock in the status quo. if we want to fight for the opportunity for middle class workers in this country, we got to engage the world. and that's exactly what the president wants to do level the playing field so american workers and businesses can compete in some of the most economically dynamic regions of the world. if we do that's going to be good for the country, for our economy and good for middle class families. >> as i said from the beginning, a great debate including a debate on the progressive side. i don't think the case is closed, but the more you can create jobs in this country for regular working people the better position you'll be in politically. thank you, josh earnest. >> that's exactly why we're doing this. >> coming up tomorrow's launch day for hillary clinton. is she going to speak to the progressive left in her party? you are looking at two airplane fuel gauges. can you spot the difference? no? you can't see that? alright, let's take a look. the one on the right just used 1% less fuel than the one on the left.

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formally kick off her campaign tomorrow with her first big speech in new york city. clinton will talk about her mother dorothy rodham who was abandoned as a child. she'll highlight her mother's life as a major factor drichbing her to want to fight for others in troubled cirque many stances. the clinton campaign released a new video of the candidate. let's watch. >> everyone deserves a chance to live up to his or her god-given potential. that's the dream we share. that's the fight we must wage. you know, my dad, the son of a factory worker could start a small business. my mom never got to go to college, could see her daughter go to college. everyday americans and their families need a champion a champion who will fight for them every single day. i want to be that champion. >> well part of hillary clinton's challenge will be threading the needle convincing liberals in her party she's a progressive champion while not going too far. how will she do it? jonathan allen is chief

political correspondent for vox and susan for "usa today." i get the feeling, you know how pat toomey went on gun control just far enough without offending the nra guys by signing up for better kind of background checks. will she attempt to position herself left enough while giving herself room to get back to the center for the general. >> i hope that's what she hopes to do. isn't that what every candidate -- >> romney couldn't do it. >> but he wanted to do it. he wanted to go far enough and the goal kept getting pushed a little farther down. >> is that happening now? the bernie sanders and de blasios saying unless you're willing to come out against the trade bill break up the banks, carry the interest all the big standards, unless you do that you're not one of us? >> the goal posts are moving. the longer she doesn't stake out clear positions the more the left of the party that's really energized will push for her to take positions that are

agreeable to them. >> what is the left wing standard, to do things that really bothers the establishment? what is bernie sanders -- for the bell to ring for him on the stump, he has to say something that no other liberal would say, something really dramatic. hillary says it shouldn't just be the ceos and the hedge fund managers who are rich but she just says not only them. but she doesn't say they shouldn't be rich she says the others should be able to catch up a little bit. that's different. >> i think it's not so much about rhetoric. it is are you for or against the pacific trade deal. >> that's a tough one. but she's not willing to say that. nor was bill clear on that back in '92. bill clinton. he's like i'm for it but i want changes in it. >> coca-cola in mexico now in terms of the nafta. she said the transpacific partnership was the gold standard in trade deals. you can see she's being pulled to the left by the fact that she's not willing to come out

with a position on it. what she's got to do is not be a bill de blasio or bernie sander but she does need to say and do things that come up with policies that are pleasing enough to them so they're not running away from her. the democratic party will be pretty unified. >> i think they are unified. there's a certain left -- i don't want to use the phrase "professional left" but the fact is there are people who are out of kilter with the mainstream. they are somewhat radical. they want big changes, structural changes in the economy, distribution of wealth and redistribution of wealth. when you talk about i'll increase the benefits or social security. the only way to do that is tax the very well off and take it and give it to everyday people. >> there's a tax fund with hedge managers or regulating wall street and tarring and feathering ceos. so you talk about the professional left. you wouldn't please them enough unless there was like some sort

of marathon of tarred an feathers ceos running across the country. >> these people -- the trouble is these guys today, women, are making so much money exponentially, you can't catch up with them. if you tax three-quarters of their income they'll make another billion a year. look at this. one of the democratic party's well known progressives new york city mayor bill de blasio told reporters he thought hillary clinton should speak up on the issue of trade. the mayor said i'd like to see a very clear statement that this trade bill should be opposed and should be stopped. democrats all over the country are looking to her for leadership. who elected bill de blasio to be the leader of the world, the leader of the progressive united states? how did he put that hat on? he's like i get to decide. >> it makes it less likely she's going to seem to bow down to bill de blasio i don't think she needs to take their positions on everything. but she needs to take positions on something.

she needs to believe in something. here's how i think we should proceed in a globalized world when it comes to free trade. >> you think she'll say that tomorrow, say the word "trade"? >> i don't know. maybe. >> you sound like her for a second there. >> trading places. >> just like that woman, are you african-american, uh no uh what? >> i'm not touching that one. but what i was going to say, look, she's got tomorrow she's going to talk about her vision she's going to talk about what motivates her to run for president. >> any foreign policy at all? >> i wouldn't be surprised if she didn't say something about the need for american strength. but i'll tell you, one huge mistake presidential candidates make is talking about foreign policy long before an election. what the world looks like a year from now is sure to be very different. domestic policy is pretty static. you can tell where issues are going to be. foreign policy you have no idea

where the next blowup will about. >> she'll hit the bull's-eye tomorrow? >> i think she'll do well because she's a smart person and she's very skilled and this isn't kind of her natural best form to do a big rally. >> it's not. she has a video to go with it. >> she's worked on it. they know this is important. a little bit of a reboot. >> did she study the '68 nixon campaigns closely? i'm not making an ideological judgment. this is about style. nixon was the front-runner because the democratic party was in shambles. so he ran a controlled campaign. he didn't have campaigns, he did these things that roger ales put together. not a lot of big back and forth, no rock 'n' roll campaign there. will that work in the 21st century, a very controlled campaign? >> i think that they have an electoral college advantage. if you don't screw it up -- >> so it's the smart move

controlled. >> what did she do well last time around? not when she was all controlled it was when she felt she lost control and her back was against the wall. and that's when she made a compelling campaign. >> when she didn't have the machine. >> when she was out there on her own. >> that's in a democratic primary than a general election. >> you say keep it controlled. you say you got to show yourself. disagreements. jonathan allen and susan page. two pros. up next the fight against isis. president obama may send in more u.s. troops to iraq and he's considering a network of forward bases to fight off the terrorists. are we in out or just muddling through? you do all this research on the perfect car. gas mileage , horse power... torque ratios. three spreadsheets later you finally bring home the one. then smash it into a tree. your insurance company's all too happy to raise your rates. maybe you should've done a little more research on them. for drivers with accident forgiveness

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here's what's happening. a prison worker in connection with the escape of two convicted killers has been arrested. joyce mitchell is accused of providing contraband to the two and facilitating their escape. she's been suspended without pay from her job at the prison. administration officials say there's been a second hacking at the office of personnel management. this intrusion was into investigations for security clearances and other checks. it's not clear how many people were affected. and a motion was filed in the den es hastert case asking the judge to keep some information secret. it would protect the identity of individual "a" who was given hush money. welcome back to "hardball." the white house this week announced they're expanding the training mission inside iraq and now sending 450 more american soldiers to a new base in anbar province to help the iraqis take back ramadi but that just may be the beginning. "the new york times" reports

today that the administration is also considering a plan to expand american involvement further with additional bases and the possibility of greater numbers of u.s. troops. general martin dempsey introduced the concept just yesterday proposing a network of new bases that he called lily pads throughout the country to encourage iraqi security forces forward -- i love that phrase -- to reclaim lost territory. while there are no immediate plans on the table just yet president obama has been criticized for his gradual expansion of american footprint in that country so soon after he ended the combat mission. but ben rhodes said yesterday this is not mission creep. >> isn't this mission creep? >> no this is the exact same mission we've been pursuing which is to train and assist iraqis. americans are not in combat. we only have 3500 troops in iraq right now. that's compared to 150,000 when the president took office. so this is a much more limited mission in scale and scope for

the u.s. military than anything we were doing in iraq over the previous decade. >> well the new proposal also comes after the president acknowledged in what appeared to be a candid admission on monday that more needs to be done. >> one of the areas where we're going to have to improve is the speed at which we're training iraqi forces. we don't yet have a complete strategy because it requires commitments on the part of the iraqis as well. about how recruitment takes place, how that training takes place. and so the details of that are not yet worked out. >> i'm joined by the roundtable jonathan capehart of "the washington post," francesca chambers and david corn of mother jones. i'll start with francesca on this. i think there's just the politics of this. president obama ran on the promise to get us out of iraq. he did it. now we're going back in. simply put, it does put him in a

conundrum because it allows the critics to say you were wrong to take us out in the first place because now you've admitted it because you're going back in. is that right? >> to a certain extent. his words about a lack of a complete strategy. clearly a horrible choice of words. >> it was honest. if he had a strategy, he would admit it. >> i don't think it's that he doesn't have a strategy. his problem is his strategy relies on the iraqis to be on the front lines fighting this battle and they're not doing that. his strategy relies on the sunnis to join with the iraqi security forces. >> so jonathan we give them their uniforms withy pay their monthly sal we we give them training we give them weapons now we'll put guys behind them to push them. actually they're saying now to push them. >> yeah. >> to physically push them into battle. >> from lily pad to lily pad. >> that's a real strong statement. a lily pad. >> no but the situation here is we're trying -- the united states is trying to convince

people to defend their own country, and we're putting -- and putting our own men and women and the armed forces in harm's way. right now they're not in forward operating bases, these are just advisers, just trainers. but at a certain point, the united states if it doesn't want -- and the western world, if they don't want to lose ramadi and don't want to lose baghdad and, therefore, iraq there's going to have to be more than just iraqis who don't want to defend themselves americans going in to clean up the mess. >> isis is watching the news. they may not be watching this show, but they're watching what's going on in the world. they're saying where are the americans going to be because we're going to start picking them off. it makes sense. if they can get guys in uniform and behead them. the horror of that. maybe it would draw us in. >> of the 350 new troops going in, 50 maybe a few more are actual trainers who will be advising sunni forces and iraqi

military forces. >> through translators. >> through translators, hopefully a few of them speak arabic, but maybe not. the rest of the contingent will be defending them using logistics. there are four training camps already out there doing this. this will be a fifth one. so far no one's been picked off. but that is a -- the more people you put in the bigger the chances. but the president is stuck in this position of having -- his strategy is kind of mulling through this -- muddling through this. that's difficult because it doesn't give you the satisfaction of going out and killing lots of people and not withdrawing either. >> having been through vietnam and all that stuff, it looks like a holding action francesca. something to get them through the night, to get them through the next year and a half. try to prevent the country from being overrun. >> that's a good thing, preventing that. >> that's a holding operation. is that the best we can do.

>> unless the administration wants to put in the 10,000 to 15,000 troops that republicans are calling for. that's the option to send in american forces or convince some of the western world to put in the forces. or put a new base that's closer to where the fighting is occurring and hope and pray that the sunnis are going to come to that base and get the training and go out on the front lines. but this is relying on the iraqis to want to fight for their own freedom and country. and terrorists taking over the country is not enough to do that, then i don't think anything will do it. >> we don't even have sunnis that want to fight for the territory they live in. >> in terms of your conjecture that the president's doing this holding action -- >> i'm asking. >> -- because in a year and half he'll be gone i think he's trying to hold it together because in a year and a half he'll be gone but because he's in this conundrum. he's got to make sure that iraq doesn't fall but he's leading a country that's war weary.

>> he doesn't want to be responsible for what happens. >> because he made a point of saying when he put the 450 troops in there, i've done this at the recommendation of ashton carter who is the secretary of defense and joint chief dempsey. he said i didn't want to do it. that's what those guys -- >> of course. >> he wasn't married to it. >> there was the sunni awakening. when they decided they were against al qaeda in iraq and they tried to fashion a coalition with the baghdad government with u.s. troops supporting them and they turned and tried to take anbar province back for themselves. what the president obviously wants to do and ashton carter and everybody else is try to get a repeat of that in some ways. so to have it set up so that the sunnis come to the conclusion that they're willing to do this we're there to help give them some firepower. >> this is tricky stuff. up next something we really know about, the eve of hillary clinton's big launch. can she answer the big question

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campaign is using are reminding the brooklyn hipsters everywhere this hillary clinton worked in the trenches before she was the first laid and the white house. her priorities are pivoting to the left and showing that private sector and the government has a job in resurrecting a stagnating middle class. and when you create a big rally, it has to have a purpose, a statement. what do you think the statement will be tomorrow? who am i? >> when you look at the video, she will seem not rough around the edging. she doesn't want to look as hard as cold as calculating. she wants to be a champion to americans and she was an every day american and that is the purpose of tomorrow's rally. >>. she wants to look as an every day american. >> what is an every day american. >> someone who hasn't spent every day in washington, d.c. >> what is that phrase. >> main street. people who live on main street.

who live in real america, chris. >> mr. saturday night. every day american. or tim russert or this is sunday or weekday american. >> here is the thing. you touched on it in the intro. we're going back to hillary rod ham, clinton, from the 70s not the 90s. and if you watch the video. the one person not shown anywhere -- bill clinton. what tomorrow will do is deliver her from bill's shadow. she is standing on her own two feet. >> why? >> this is alarming. >> no i'm an analyst. >> so give me the nauls -- analysis of the two that have always been connected. >> she's the one getting elected. >> did he get in the way last time. >> certainly he got in the way last time. but here is the thing, everybody is talking about her in relation to him and what she would do as

president and that video and what she apparently will do tomorrow is say -- basically say forget about him in this race and what i will do as president and what i will do in this campaign. here is who i am and here is what i'm about and pay attention going forward. >> i think she supports the current trade bill. >> i doubt she'll say anything about that tomorrow i'll make that bet. but theig issue with hillary clinton is why? why do you want to be president and why should you be president? >> do we ask that of everybody? >> yes. >> and we knew why barack obama wanted to be president he was pushing up against the bush years and the policy in iraq and the economics. but hillary clinton, why? she needs to come up with a reason and progressing causes and populist issues is what she wants to talk about. >> and an exciting time in the country, maybe not professionally, but there is no bigger challenge than to work

with her in this campaign and figure out how to answer the questions because there is an answer. there is a way for her to become president. and if she doesn't make it we know there is a route that would have been done. >> there is a way to wip. >> this is hers to lose. >> thank you. john francesca, david. >> that is what they said in 2008. >> and she lost it. was hers to lose. and she lost it. >> [ overlapping speakers ] the honor given me last night in pierce philadelphia. you're watching "hardball," a police for politics.

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let me end the week with a thank you for the honor given me last night by pierce college up in philadelphia. the kimmel center was packed with a happy crowd of parents, sisters, brothers and children of the graduating class. i have never seen so much joy and heard such excitement from a crowd of good people. it was an honor to give the commencement and receive an honorary doctorat. nothing in the world gives me more of a thrill than give he me a person in their 20s or 30s that their parents love to watch "hardball." i can help a real person and you can get ahead with it. i've spent a lot of years watching people politicians, especially get ahead for a living. a lot has to knowing how to get along with people.

better you are at that the better you are getting along in live. again thank you to pierce college and my native philadelphia and a big congrats to the graduates and their faults. "all in" with chris hayes starts right now. tonight on "all in" -- >> did you convince anyone? >> i'm standing next to the top warriors. >> the fight between the president and his own party. tonight the fate of barack obama's trade agenda following the big vote. >> plus the stranger than fiction story out of spokane that broke the internet. >> rachel wanted to be something she's not. >> outed as a white leader to an ncaa chapter, tonight rachel is responding. >> and all in the movies. 22 years after spielberg's jurassic park the theme park is