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to keep their communities safe, but some of these stories would be hard to believe if they weren't captured by dashboard cameras. i'm contessa brewer. that's all for this edition of "caught on camera." a night at the beach with his brother's truck sends a repeat offender back to jail. >> i fell asleep in the truck and the tide came in and took the truck out into the ocean. brand-new truck that he just paid off. >> but he still has the love of his aunt. >> i want to say he's poophead.
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i don't think he's vicious. i don't think he's mean. i don't think he thinks. >> what they're saying is that man went no the shop and started shooting. >> a christmas morning holdup leaves a young man dead and four people in jail with serious charges. but one faces a trial of a different kind. >> being nine months pregnant and being in jail is not fun. it's really hard. >> the jail is required to accommodate her newborn. >> we do the best that we can. but it's jail. it's concrete and steel. it's not good to have babies around concrete and steel. some 75 miles east of new
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york city on long island, is suffolk county and the farming community of yapang. the county built one of its two jails here in 1959. back then it was nicknamed the farm. and inmates worked in the adjoining fields. today, the nickname remains. but inmates no longer tend crops. and the yapang jail is a newly renovated, modern facility. it usually houses more than 700 men, most of whom are only charged with crimes and are awaiting trial and the resolution of their case. the majority of inmates live in spacious, dorm-like settings free of sounds. but as renovations continue, some live in temporary tent-like quarters known as the sprung unit. >> it has like a canvas top. it's still pretty secure, like the tennis courts that they make. they spring up? sprung unit? it's a 60-bed unit.
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right now we currently keep minimum security inmates in here for obvious reasons. you could see there's just a six-foot fence. they could basically just jump the fence. >> all right, fellows, let's start cleaning. >> fellows, if you're not off their bunks, wake up your partner make sure he's off the bunk. >> this happens every night at this time. as soon as they're done eating it's mandatory that they clean. their beds have to be made at all time. they have to be cleaned three times a day. they have to keep the floor spotless. we're right on the edge of the outside here so you can get mice. >> like camping in a big tent. >> i've been in this tent a little more than 30 days. sucks in here. it is terrible. >> it's so cold at night. you come in here in a t-shirt. they don't give you anything.
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give you a stupid little blanket and you're just freezing. the worst thing about being in here is the bathroom. the bathroom is disgusting. you can't touch nothing without just sliding off it. >> this is where we do our business. five stalls. this is where we take a shower. the water is terrible. you can feel it when it goes in your mouth that it's just nasty water. that one never shuts off. that one's always leaking. these are the toilets. disgusting. that's our bathroom. 60 men. 60 men in here. >> this is like the bathroom in my home? absolutely not. but i clean the bathroom in my home. they're responsible for cleaning here. i can't even get them to dry the floor half the time. >> disgusting. >> these guys here, they'll say they don't get enough food. they'll say it's horrible conditions. and ultimately, they keep coming back. three, four, five, six times. i work here and i don't want to come back sometimes but they keep coming back.
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>> nick fisher admits to being a frequent guest at the jail. by his own account he's had more than a dozen stays here for crimes like driving while intoxicated. he blames his troubles on drugs. >> crack, the only drug. i skipped everything, went right to that. never smoked, never drank. went straight to that. and my life went downhill. >> fisher is now charged with grand larceny to which he has pled not guilty. he said it stems from the night he couldn't get his truck started so he took his brother's truck instead. >> i went to the beach without permission. i blew a flat tire. and i called the tow truck which never came. i fell asleep in the truck and the tide came in and took the truck out into the ocean. brand if you truck that he just paid off. i woke up in the truck floating. that's when i realized that the tow truck never came and i fell
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asleep. i called the tow truck again. they said oh, we forgot to send a truck out. we're coming right now. by the time he got there the truck was just submerged. so that was it. the truck was fried, done. >> i was so close to just leaving it and running. you, frank, i don't know what happened to your truck. >> fisher's brother was not amused. he decided to press criminal charges. >> what's your relationship with your brother right now? >> you know we're going to talk it out when i get out. no point of calling and writing. we'll hash it out when i get out face-to-face. >> not good? >> not good at all right now. >> while suffolk county jail currently only houses men, that is about to change. soon it will be 750 men, one woman, and a newborn baby. 15 miles away in the long island town of riverhead, is suffolk county's other jail facility. the riverhead jail also houses about 750 inmates. but it holds both men and women.
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including sabrina shock. >> being nine months pregnant and being in jail is not fun. it's really hard. one of the hardest things i've ever had to do. >> there's no special treatment. there's no extras. there's no -- they used to give extra mattresses. they don't have pillows. so there's like nothing that helps you. >> with the birth of her baby only days away, shuck plans to take advantage of a new york state law that allows female inmates to raise their newborns for up to one year in jail. so after shuck gives birth at a nearby hospital, she and her baby will be taken to the yapang facility where recent renovations include a brand-new nursery. >> inmate shuck is going to be
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our first female actually in yapang with her baby. >> we have everything that you would need for a baby even in your home. obviously the baby is still civilian. so we have to treat that baby as we would never other baby. >> i don't want to be pregnant anymore. >> shuck will soon least leave the friends she has made at riverhead behind. she will also leave behind the man who is both her co-defendant and father of her baby. cesar figueroa is housed in the men's maximum security unit at riverhead. both he and shuck face charges including second degree murder, related to a christmas morning holdup. they pled not guilty and are awaiting trial. >> if i could just take one thing back in my entire life, it would be that night. everything went wrong. >> coming up, hard questions for soon-to-be parents. >> does sabrina know what you didn't sign up for?
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>> i feel like the less i know with that the better. >> and -- >> i came in. i seen the old guy there called him pops pops. now i'm pops. you don't want to be the next pops. >> the old timer of friends nick fisher. or a mouth breather. well, put on a breathe right strip and instantly open your nose up to 38% more than allergy medicines alone. so you can breathe and sleep. shut your mouth and sleep right. breathe right. our biggest sale of the summer royal starts tomorrow.sale. get a 50% reduced deposit. plus up to $200 onboard spending money. and up to 30% off your cruise. call 1-800-royal-caribbean or your travel agent today.
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people on the road. sabrina shuck is only days away from giving birth to her fifth child. >> it looks like spaghetti. >> when she came in she had a baby bump and we watched her get pregnant. she doesn't give us any problems. >> under a state law that allows female inmates to raise newborns for up to one year, shuck will be the first woman to use the new nursery at the all-male yapang jail about 50 miles away.
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>> from a security standpoint it's difficult. we have to keep the males and females separate. she needs to go to the chapel for some reason, everything gets shut down. if she needs to go to the hospital, the doctor there, it has to be shut down. all the male prisoners will get security, returned to the housing unit, will stop all movement in the hallways. >> most of our female inmates do not want to keep their baby. they keep them for a little while after they first have them, then they usually turn them over to a family member until they get out. because this is really not the setting to have a child in every day. >> we do the best that we can. but it's jail. it's concrete and steel. and it's not good to have babies around concrete and steel. >> i think a child needs to have a secure home. i don't think this is the place for that. you're basically incarcerating a baby for the first year. that's my opinion. >> shuck believes the state law is beneficial to both mother and child. >> this baby, thank god, gets to stay with me.
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i feel like it's very important to have that bond with my child. at least my child will know me. >> while shuck will have the opportunity to raise her baby in jail, the same cannot be said for the baby's father, cesar figueroa. the law does not provide incarcerated fathers the right to have contact with babies being raised in jail. >> i want to be there for both of them like i was at home. but i can't. and that bothers me a lot. it does. >> it could be a long time before figueroa can ever be there for his baby. he and shuck, along with two other co-defendants, tashim carter and brandon davis, face serious charges related to an alleged christmas morning robbery in which a young man was shot to death. all four have pled not guilty. but shuck and figueroa both acknowledge being present at the
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scene. >> at the time i knew i was pregnant. i knew it wasn't a good idea to put myself in any harm. unfortunately it's something that i'm used to doing. >> shuck says in the predawn hours of christmas she waited in the getaway car while her three co-defendants entered an auto body shop where some of the employees had been allegedly dealing drugs. she said figueroa, davis and carter were all armed and wearing masks when they demanded money and drugs. . and obviously things went horribly wrong. ceasar was the first one to the car. and when he jumped in, he looked like he had seen a ghost. even mask and all like you could just see anytime his eyes, you could hear it in his panting. and he was like go go go. like he was shaken. i hit the gas so hard the wheels spun. i started freaking out. i'm like somebody better tell me what the hell is going on right now. >> three people in the body shop were wounded. but 19-year-old talik bristol
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was shot in the head and died at the scene. shuck says brandon davis fired the fatal shot. >> i know that brandon had killed him because it's like he was bragging about it. brandon said something about his brains coming out of his skull and how cool it looked, like a movie. >> the kid that died got shot in his head execution style. i seen it. it was too close. it was way too close. like right here in front of me. >> at that point it was like my heart sank into my stomach because i knew my life was over. i had just begun a life of -- i knew everything was over at that point. it was just a matter of time. >> one of the survivors of the shooting knew shuck and said she had entered the shop just prior to the three men, most likely to case it. police then arrested shuck and connected her to figueroa.
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>> i'm thinking, cesar is about to be a father. what am going to do? like all these thoughts are going through my head. i broke down. and eventually i was like, you know what? he didn't kill anybody. he didn't kill anybody. i know he didn't kill anybody. >> shuck says that's when she decided to tell police about her two other accomplices and her assertion to brandon davis was the actual killer. davis was charged with first degree murder while shuck, figueroa and thashin carter were each charged with second degree murder. all four are now awaiting trial. >> no. i kick myself in the ass for a long time after that. but as long as they know ceasar didn't kill him. as long as he's not going away for 25 years, 15 years, and he can still have a relationship with his child. i feel like i can lay my head down at night. >> i don't know what's going on. i know people was trying to blame me for something that i didn't do. >> both brandon davis and
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thashin carter deny any involvement with the crime. >> people being charged in this case are throwing my name around and trying to get the blame off them and throwing the blame on me. there's nothing to convict me when there's no evidence to go with it. all they're saying is that last man went in the shop and just started shooting. >> and your statement to that is? >> i don't know anything about that. >> still to this day, i don't know who really shot who. i don't want to believe that cesar shot anybody. >> i didn't kill nobody. i feel bad. he shouldn't have died. he didn't need to die. he didn't do nothing wrong. then everybody else started running. so i had to do what i had to do. >> so you did shoot people. >> allegedly. everybody should have
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cooperated. >> did sabrina know what you did inside that store? >> no. >> and if you find out ceasar shot people? >> i still love him. i do. i feel like the less i know with that the better. as far as that goes, i still want to put my blinders on. >> tell me now. >> i think it's a little cesar. >> you're rolling up. >> sabrina shuck takes a temporary leave from jail to give birth. and cesar figueroa asks about visitation rights. >> he's written a couple of letters about it requesting it. we're not mandated to let him see the child. experian credit tracker and find out your fico score powered by experian. fresher dentures, for the ♪best first impression. love loud, live loud, polident. ♪
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the town of riverhead on eastern long island is home to suffolk county's main jail facility. all new inmates are first booked into the riverhead jail. but about half will eventually be bussed 15 miles away to the county's other jail in the rural community of yapang.
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many inmates prefer the newer, more modern yapang facility. but to nick fisher, riverhead will always be home. >> i like it there. it's nice. when you get arrested it's a short ride to it. you can get there usually in about two minutes. i'm a great guy. so when i put my hands behind my back it hurts. >> fisher is assigned to yapang's giant tent-like housing unit known as sprung. some inmates liken life here to camping out. fisher says he adds to that communal feel by sharing his large stacks of commisary. >> what if they don't pay you back? >> what are you going to do? i'm not going to hurt them. i'm not going to chase them. you eat the loss. a cocoa? a coffee? look at the stuff. never going to cry over an macaroon. it's 1.75. take that. what else? >> fisher and other inmates in
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the sprung unit often combine their commisary snacks to create what they call -- >> cheese, sausage, tuna fish, mackerel. mix it all up, put it in the rice. love it. >> would you ever eat that on the street? >> oh, no. >> at age 57, arthur weedler has been in and out of jail and prison for nearly 40 years. he's currently serving three years for criminal possession of narcotics. >> the last time i got out, this time i sold drugs. money. it's all about money. look at me. i'm almost 60 years old. i'm sitting here with you guys. too many good things out there to be sitting here with 59 other guys, you know? but i'm saying to you guys they said to me.
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when i came in i seen the old guy there called him pops. now i'm pops. >> damn sure. >> yeah. >> pops. >> you don't want to be the next pops. >> no, you're right. you're right. i don't. >> i ain't got much time left. each sentence could be a death sentence for me. >> eat that cheesecake. >> the male inmates at yapang will soon be joined by a woman. but there's a good chance most of them will never see her. sabrina shuck will be segregated in a specially designed nursery and kept away from all other inmates. and right now, she's about to be driven from the riverhead jail to a local hospital where she will give birth by cesarean section. >> i'm excited, anxious. i'm nervous. i'm scared. but ultimately, ecstatic. i just can't wait to get off of this tier and just have my baby
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after six long months of being here. it's exciting. but i feel like it's going to be sad. it's going to be like bittersweet. because i won't be alone completely, but i just -- there's nothing like it. >> [ inaudible ]. >> i know. but it's not the same. >> shuck is awaiting trial on charges including second degree murder. as is the father of her baby, cesar figueroa. who is housed in the men's section of the jail. she does not yet know whether she's having a boy or a girl. >> it's a girl. it's a girl. >> it's a boy. >> it's a girl. >> it's a girl. >> a little boy. >> i think it's a little cesar. >> shuck, you're rolling out. >> yea! i love you guys. >> i love you, sabrina. >> i love you, too. >> i want to squeeze you hard but i can't. >> you almost squeezed my skull. >> i know it's a boy, though.
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>> okay. i'm coming i'm coming i'm coming. >> every woman dreams of the white picket fence, the perfect husband. it was. i mean, and it could have been. i could have done it differently. but i didn't. >> coming up, nick fisher gets a much-needed visit from home. >> you're a trouper. >> and the yapang jail prepares for its newest arrival. you drop 40 grand on a new set of wheels, then... wham! a minivan t-bones you. guess what: your insurance company will only give you 37-thousand to replace it. "depreciation" they claim. "how can my car depreciate before it's first oil change?" you ask. maybe the better question is, why do you have that insurance company?
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representative gabriel giffords. giffords was there. she was wounded in a 2011 shooting in tucson. now back to "lockup." located in the eastern long island towns of yapang and riverhead, suffolk county's two jails usually house between 1500 and 1700 inmates on any given day. and though the jails are located some 70 miles from new york city, inmates face the same kind of charges one would expect to find in any big city jail. >> the breakdown is about 60% inmates charged with felonies. we have inmates in here for murder, rapes, robberies, every violent crime you can think of. >> 28 years earlier, charles ewald was a rookie corrections
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officer at riverhead. now he's the warden. >> there's about 25% that are sentenced inmates, and about 15% here on misdemeanor charges. we've had inmates here for not having a bell on their bicycle. >> the bicycle bell violators are rare, nick fisher's story isn't exactly commonplace, either. >> love curling the chairs. six, seven chairs. start curling. >> he took his older brother's truck to the beach without permission, fell asleep inside of it, and only woke up after the tide had carried it out to sea. fisher's brother pressed charges. >> i was just cleaned up right around that time. but he didn't believe me and he thought i was high when i did it, which i wasn't. so he called the cops and said, just lock him up. me and him have always been close. that's why he pressed charges. so i will do the time and i come out and i will be his little brother again. that's why he did this. for my better interests.
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i know he did. >> how about the rest of your family? how have they reacted to your situation? >> i really don't know. i'm going to find out when i get out. see if i'm invited to christmas dinner. >> fisher thinks he can get about 18 months in prison if found guilty. but says his lawyer is working on a plea deal for six months in jail and five years probation. but he says either way, the one relative who will remain in his corner is his aunt dorrie who has just arrived at the jail for her weekly visit. >> dorrie is funny. she always tells it how it is. she never takes sides. i appreciate that. means a lot getting truth out of somebody, not just what you want to hear. so i like her a lot. i love aunt dorrie. >> how are you? >> good. how are you? >> okay. >> i want to say he's a poophead. i don't think he's vicious, i don't think he's mean, i don't
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think he thinks. we always hoped he'd grow out of whatever it was that was happening to him, and he just never did. >> did you get the books that your mom i think brought you? >> the "game of thrones". >> "twilight" and stuff sunny just put $40 in your commisary. >> thanks. >> i didn't know if you had any. >> i got enough. >> he needs something. not a break. he needs some help. that's how i feel. that's how i hope the rest feel. >> i saw the warden on friday. >> what did he say? >> he's leaving towards six-5. >> what does that mean? >> six months and five years probation. >> you're going to be watched for five whole years. are you going to be able to get through five years? >> probably not. >> probably not? really? so what happens if you mess up the probation? >> i come back and finish the sentence. >> which i think there's a chemical imbalance. i think he's never been medicated the way he should be.
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i think he needs something and i don't think he knows what it is so he self-medicates. that never works. >> going to stay with your mother? >> i'll stay with aunt dorrie or get a hotel or something. cane always find a spot. >> i know. >> wake up with some schick. >> oh, my god. you're pitiful. >> i always find a home. not worried about that. >> such a mess. i swear to god. >> i think this is hurting his brother a lot. i don't think he wants to see him like this. and i think we all just want to shake him and say, what is wrong with you? why can't you stop? and he can't. he really can't. >> so you're going to have to find somewhere or some way when you get out, even if you go on probation or parole or whatever they call it. >> where do you go? >> you sign yourself into the hospital and you say, these are the problems i have. can you help me? i know that's not easy. but none of this is easy. this can't be easy for you.
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it's not easy for us. >> i make it look easy. >> but it's not. it's not easy for us. >> i know it's not. i can't believe you show up as much as you do. you're a trouper. >> or a glutton for punishment. one or the other. >> yeah, no, no, no. >> i love him. i would hope that someone would do it for my child. i'm sorry. you don't throw that away just because he's made a lot of mistakes. don't get me wrong. a lot of mistakes. but you don't throw him away. >> i know. i got to go. the hour's up. so they're going to be throwing me out soon if i don't leave. keep it clean, would you? >> yes, ma'am. >> all right. you're of hood. you know what? >> the [ mute ] i put my mother through over the years?
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i love her to death. same thing with my aunt. they've always been there. i don't think i could ever take back all the damage i've done to them. i don't think they expect me to take it back. i think that they just want me to fix my life going forward, that that would do more for them than taking it back or saying i'm sorry could ever do. >> while fisher says he regrets the pain he has caused his aunt and mother, sabrina shuck is now once again on the other side of the parent equation. four days earlier, she gave birth to a baby girl at a hospital in riverhead. >> it's heaven spelled backwards so it's like heaven breathed. >> now shuck and navea go to the yaphank jail. >> i have a lot of anxiety. getting used to this place is definitely going to be hard. very hard. being alone here and not having the support from the other women. that is one of the toughest
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things i'm going to have to get used to. >> i'm going to tell you right now it's a baby girl. >> oh, yeah? congratulations. >> a baby girl. >> back at the riverhead jail, cesar figueroa is not only navea's father he's sabrina shuck's boyfriend and co-defendant. they both face charges including second degree murder related to a christmas morning holdup. if found guilty, they could receive sentences of up to 25 years to life. >> 7 pounds 12 ounces. my mom says she looks exactly like me. i don't know. i'm waiting for the pictures. >> figueroa says all he care ers about now is meeting his daughter. but it's not a given he will be able to do so. >> we're not mandated to let him see the child. he's looking to get what we call an in-house visit where the two of them 2k3we9 get together he'll be able to seat baby for the first time. he's written me a couple of
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letters requesting it. there's a lot that goes into it so it's not something we make a snap decision on. >> sergeant investigator lundquist will investigate it. >> we're going to have to get a transportation team to transport him to yaphank. they're co-defendants in a case which is a pretty serious case. there's a lot to go through to facilitate this. we make a recommendation to the warden and then the warden has the final say. >> coming up. >> figueroa. >> have a seat in the black chair. >> cesar figueroa gets his answer. and -- >> this place is beautiful. it's just clean. look how clean it is. >> nick fisher is thrilled to be out of the sprung unit. but his old friend says he was forced to leave.
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at the suffolk county jail's yaphank facility, nick fisher had little good to say about the tent-like housing unit known as sprung especially when it kams to the bath rooms. >> disgusting. >> now fisher is in one of yaphank's new housing units and he says it's beautiful. >> it's clean. look how clean it is. bathroom is great. bathroom is fantastic. you can actually walk out of that shower feeling clean. >> but according to his old friend in sprung, arthur weedler -- >> got to pay attention. >> fisher did not depart on good terms. the problem had to do with fisher's large commisary stash that inmates referred to as the store. >> nick got into a little argument with someone. he used to have the store over here where he would give people
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things to help them out. and what happened is he got a time out. they threw him in the cage there, told him to sit there for awhile. stand there with his head to the wall. while he was gone they stole his stuff, the store. >> somebody went in my box and took a lot of commisary. probably about $30 worth. not everything but a lot. >> instead of handling it like he's supposed to he went to the police. after he went to the police he couldn't live here anymore. you shouldn't go to the police in here. need to settle it on your own. >> i'm not violent. none of my charges are violent. i don't want to turn violent in here. >> not going to say anybody told him he had to leave. you get that feeling. people ignore you, they don't want to talk to you, don't want to sit with you. other places you might get beat up or threatened. here we just kind of ignore things. >> would you sit with him and talk to him after that? >> no. no. >> the c.o. knew it was going to be a big problem, so they said
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we're just going to roll you up and move you. i said all right that's fine. get me out of this tent, please. that's what happened. they brought me here. which is just ten times better. i just like it here. >> 15 miles away in suffolk county's riverhead jail, cesar figueroa hopes to visit yaphank in order to see his newborn daughter. >> i feel bad i can't be there to even tell her i love her or nothing. can't see her. i don't know if she even knows me. >> he's written me a couple letters about it requesting it. i had to talk to the warden about it, make sure he was on board with it. >> figueroa, come on. >> have a seat in the black chair. cesar, how are you doing? >> i'm all right yeah? >> got some good news for you. i talked to the warden about you going to see the baby. and he gave it the approval. don't get in any trouble between now and when you go and we're going to make it happen, all right? >> yeah. >> are you happy? >> hell yeah i'm happy. feel like crying but i don't
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want to cry. >> it's highly unusual to have the mother and father in the facility at the same time. they're both accused of crimes that if they're convicted they'll never get out of jail until they're much older. i just felt it was the right thing to do to allow that visit to occur. >> i prayed every night to get a visit. and it worked. >> a few days later, figueroa is removed from his housing unit for the ride to yaphank. >> we had to make special arrangements to have a team come out, pick up inmate figueroa to help bring him over there and set up the visit. we're going to treat the visit just like any other visit. so here in suffolk county they're allowed to kiss and embrace at the beginning and end of each visit. we're going to go ahead and let them do that. we're going to let mr. figueroa hold his child. now if he's behaved we'll have
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no issues we'll give him an hour and bring him back. >> 20 minutes later, figueroa and his deputy escorts have arrived at yaphank. >> i didn't think this would actually happen. i'm very nervous and excited at the same time. >> you want to hold her? >> mm-hmm. >> watch her head. >> this is like the best day of my life right now. after almost eight months of not seeing each other, it's a good feeling. i'm still in shock, though,
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right now. >> i've got to get out of jail. >> this whole thing is just sad. >> i would give everything i have. >> i missed you. >> i missed you, too. >> okay, cesar, that's it. >> we got to go? >> we got to go. >> i love you. >> i love you. >> wake up. i'm leaving, punk. >> i love you, cesar. >> i love you, too. >> so sad. like yeah, i only get to hold her for an hour. i can't hold her for no longer. i wish i never did anything dumb or got myself involved with the wrong people, i probably would have never been in here and she'd have had a father. it [ mute ] breaks my heart.
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inside the booking area of riverhead jail, sabrina shuck waits to be processed back into the facility. earlier in the day, staff from child protective services removed her 8-week-old daughter from the jail nursery. then with the approval of a judge, they had nevaeh placed into foster care. >> the other day, we got some information about she was possibly neglecting her child. coming to our nursing staff at the facility. in addition to that, we had some pretty credible information from our security division saying that she possibly would harm the baby. it was determined we should call cps, bring them in. >> how did the whole process go? >> actually, surprisingly well. >> as soon as shuck was returned
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to riverhead, she was put on suicide watch. which among other things involves giving up all her clothing for a tear-proof garment to prevent hanging. >> we put her in a suicide dress, as we call it, just for safety because you don't know. maybe she will get depressed alt some point and realize, in my mind, how traumatic this is, but she's fine. >> shuck was not fine. about being ordered to wear the dress. >> i said i'm not going in no [ bleep ] dress, i'm not going in no [ bleep ] dress. i didn't do anything to be put in a [ bleep ] dress. she said, this is mandatory. we can either hold you in and put you in this dress, or you could do it with some dignity and go in the dress. >> put it on the suicide shelf? >> that's fine. >> she kept saying this is ridiculous. she said do i have to do this? we said yes, we already know you have to do this. it's a matter of are you going to do this, are we asking you or telling you? i said i would like to ask you. >> i said, [ bleep ] whatever, i
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kicked my shoes off and got in the [ bleep ] dress. >> then the questions started rolling about the commissary and the shower and how embarrassing it is. and she doesn't want to walk anywhere and where am i going to be housed, who am i going to be with? do i get to watch tv? just nonstop questions. >> do you know where your daughter is right now? >> i'm not allowed to know. when she's in foster care, i'm not allowed to know. but i did see cesar in mental health. i stopped and said can i say something? she said, no, you can't. i said, don't worry, my mom's going to get the baby. he looks pissed at me, though. he looks pissed. >> cesar figueroa is shuck's boyfriend and nevaeh's father. he had a brief encounter with shuck right after she was returned to riverhead.
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>> she's like, they took your daughter. she started crying. i'm like, for what? she didn't want to say. she didn't say. she don't know why. she just was crying. >> somewhere there's information as to why. you would probably at some point find out what that information is. whatever it is made this determination, because they wouldn't just swoop in and take a baby. there's got to be justifiable reason for them to do that. over time, it will reveal itself. >> i just hope that my peoples could get her, at least. >> though she is on suicide watch, shuck is still allowed one hour per day on the rec yard. but she is secluded from other inmates and says one in particular is taunting her. >> she's talking about how i'm in a dress. that's ridiculous. i ain't even got drawers on. i'm not pregnant anymore and i don't have to behave because i was trying to behave and trying to be a good girl so i could be with my child. now, all bets are off. i can't even have any contact
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with my kid. you think i'm going to give a [ bleep ] if i end up in the box. oh, please. it's on. >> shuck also says she felt pressured from officers at the facility. >> talking a lot of [ bleep ] on how they were disgusted i was in prison with a baby. and how, you know, i should give my baby up for adoption and [ bleep ] like i found out they were talking all this [ bleep ] behind my back. they were more offended that i had a child in prison and that i was being selfish, as they said. >> officers assigned to the nursery deny pressuring shuck and say they have no doubt that calling child protective services was the right thing do do. but to protect the privacy rights of nevaeh, they said they can't get into specifics. >> in new york state in particular, it is extremely difficult to legally take the baby away from the mother. in any instance. i mean, the evidence we have is completely overwhelming. >> prior to her arrest, shuck's other four children were also
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removed from her custody, and are now being raised by her mother. later, back in her housing unit, shuck acknowledges having some problems with nevaeh. >> when she had her rough days, i did struggle because i couldn't put her down for a second, so i didn't shower. i didn't eat. i wasn't able to do anything that i needed to do. and i could understand if i took myself out of the picture how bad it looks. i had those moments where i just wanted to take the stroller and roll her out to the nurse's station and be like, please, you know, just please make her stop crying. you know? but i just feel like they came in because they were concerned about physical abuse. but there is no evidence. >> but authorities say there was evidence. shuck recalls a phone conversation she had with her brother and phone calls in jail are often monitored. >> what i said was very inappropriate.
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just put it that way. >> had to do with the baby? >> it had to do with my baby, but my brother said something about drop kicking my kids, little [ bleep ] gremlins and we laughed about it. when i said what i said, we laughed about it. we went back and forth. if you take just my side, it sounds [ bleep ] horrible. but when you put it in the context and you actually hear the voices and hear what we're talking about, you can hear we're just being [ bleep ] heads. >> shuck says she had to hold in her emotions to remain strong in jail. but she recalls her final moment with nevaeh. >> when they put me in the holding cell and explained to me what was going on, i said, can you just please, please let me say good-bye to her one last time. i just want to hold her. >> and?
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>> and they told me no. cps will deal with that. she started smiling. she just started cooing, like making sounds when she was happy. she acknowledged who i was.
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