this sunday the dynasty candidates. hillary kicks off her campaign, again. >> i'm not running for some americans, but for all americans. tomorrow, it's jeb. >> it's going to be an exciting time. i'm really excited about this. after rough starts, clinton and bush 2.0. i'll be joined by hillary clinton's campaign chair and then mitt romney who may be the republican king-maker in 2016. also challenges for president obama at home on trade where democrats defiant and abroad on iraq and isis. >> we don't yet have a complete strategy. >> is the u.s. losing the war against isis? i'm chuck todd. joining me for insight and analysis this morning are -- conservative radio talk show

host hugh hewitt. talk host , nbc's andrea mitchell, former adviser to president obama stephanie cutter, and historian and journalist evan thomas. welcome to sunday. it's "meet the press." >> announcer: from nbc news in washington, this the "meet the press" with chuck todd. good morning. it is dynasty weekend. they come from the two most powerful political families in american politics today. but neither jeb bush nor hillary clinton wants to be defined by their last names, and this morning both campaigns are hard at work, jeb bush back from europe is in miami preparing for his announcement tomorrow. and his campaign has released a little teaser today. it's a video that also happens to unveil the name of the campaign and logo, and look what's missing, one key word, bush. hillary clinton woke up in iowa this morning. and for those who wondered if she's going to start taking questions from the media, well, we've learned that she will. it will be local tv interviews all this week throughout the early states. yesterday though in her big speech in new york she made clear that she wants to tell the

story of her life and achievements rather than be defined by her previous campaigns or by her husband's legacy. >> america can't succeed unless you succeed. that is why i am running for president of the united states! >> on new york's roosevelt island hillary clinton attempted to answer a question that she never effectively addressed in her last campaign for the white house. why does she want to be president? >> for everyone who has ever been knocked down but refused to be knocked out. >> she's intent to persuade voters she's a progressive champion more rodham than clinton. but her campaign has been dogged by reminders of so-called clinton baggage and the perception that her new progressive positions are ones of convenience, not conviction. in her announcement clinton delivered a state of the union style laundry list of policy

proposals, managing to name-check every interest group within the democratic party. >> immigrants, young people, lbgt community, union leaders, silicon valley, poor people, people with disabilities and people of color. >> clinton also decided to take on the issue of age head-on. >> well, i may not be the youngest candidate in this race but i will be the youngest woman president in the history of the united states. >> another famous last name who has had a rocky rollout will finally make his campaign official on monday at miami-dade college. he's selling himself as more jeb than bush, but he is borrowing one thing from his brother, compassionate conservatism. >> my core beliefs start with the premise that the most vulnerable in our society should be at the front of the line and not the back. and as a governor i had a chance to act on that core belief. >> back in december when bush first hinted he might run his campaign was expected to be a

juggernaut, generating shock and awe, vacuuming up money, pushing out candidates left and right. instead, he's barely clinging to front-runner status with 15 republicans battling him to lead the party. bush is also struggling with conservatives, thanks in mart to two big issues -- common core and immigration. then there is his brother's legacy. some republicans believe he has to find a way to distance himself. >> this is going to be a change election, and at the end of the day republican voters want somebody who can prosecute a case without being wrapped up in these debates from the past. >> well, let's talk about the hillary clinton rollout. i'm joined by john podesta, chair of the hillary clinton presidential campaign. of course, he was most recently president obama's senior adviser in the white house and president bill clinton's last chief of staff so you really encompass everything about the last two administrations. welcome to -- to democratic admissions. welcome back to "meet the press," mr. podesta.

>> good morning, chuck. >> there was an exhaustive list of issues that hillary clinton rolled out ideas, proposals, but there was one issue she ducked almost completely, veiled reference to the issue of trade. she has not wanted to step into this fight between house democrats and president obama. why? why was there no mention of the riff inside the party, and why did she not take a position on what is the foremost debate inside the democratic party right now? >> chuck, she's been very clear on where she stands on trade. she's laid out a two-prong test on how to look at trade agreements. first, to grow jobs, grow wages and protect american workers, and second does it protect our national security. that's her position. she said that she wants to wait to see what the final deal is with the transpacific partnership which is the substance of the trade agreement. what we've seen the last couple of days is skirmishes around the process for considering that agreement, but the agreement is not final, so when it is final,

she will render a judgment about that, and she stated her concerns, but she has a clear standard that it's got to be good for american workers or she thinks the united states should walk away from it. >> well, let me stop you there. >> there's no tougher negotiator with both our trading partners or with republicans in congress than hillary clinton if she's elected to office. >> can we credibly assume she would walk away from tpp something that she called in 2010 an exciting opportunity. in 2011 a benchmark for future agreements. and in 2012 a gold standard for trade agreement, and in 2013 really enhance our relationship with asia. this does not sound like somebody who is against this deal, yet you're implying she might be. sounds like you're trying to please labor here. >> chuck, she's also stayed that she has problems with the provisions that wait -- give special privileges to corporations and not similar treatment to workers and their representatives. she stated her concerns about

strong environmental standards, worker protections. the deal is not done. the deal has some good things. it has some concerns, but when the deal is done, she will render -- she will render her final judgment. i think what she's saying is that this is one issue amongst -- and it's an important issue amongst a lot of issues about how we're going to build -- rebuild our economy, bring it back, make sure it works for working people and see wages rising again, and that's what she laid out in an ambitious agenda along with her vision for what we need to do to stop the deck from being stacked for those at the top and, of course, the values that have motivated her her entire career and her entire life since she left law school. >> i want to ask you about some of those. because the trade issue actually fits in with a whole bunch of changes. over the last decade she shifted her position on same-sex marriage, on immigration, on nafta, on the iraq war, on cuba policy, on criminal justice reform, just a few that she's done recently.

these -- and they are all to the left, all to the progressive side of things. how should progressives believe that these are changes of conviction and not simply changes of convenience because the democratic electorate has changed? >> chuck, i don't think there's anybody who has been more consistent in their entire career from the day she left law school, went to work for the children's defense fund, from her work in arkansas, to first lady of the united states. she's fought for children, for families. she's made her priorities clear, her values clear. you know, times change. a decade ago i think a lot of people had a different view on marriage equality. today the country has shifted. she's at the forefront of saying that that is a right that every american should have. she's gone further and said we need to protect the lbgt community in the workplace, so i think circumstances change. this isn't 1992. it's not 2008. it's 2015. >> right. >> and she will take positions

that are consistent with a long-term -- long-time set of values that have made her a progressive in the best sense of the word fighting for working families, fighting for children, fighting for women across this country and across the world. >> you know, it's interesting. both progressive columnists and conservative columnists came to the same conclusion watching that speech yesterday which is she seems to be embracing the obama economic agenda that was outlined by the president frankly in his last two state of the unions, something you were very much a part of. republicans are deriding it as the obama third term, progressives are embracing it as hillary clinton is signing on to the obama economic agenda. is that a fair description that she is sort of hugging the president here on his economic agenda? >> look, i think she thinks that the president brought the country back from what could have been a depression, from certainly a great recession, and has created a lot of private sector jobs, but we still haven't seen enough wage growth

in this country, and so she wants -- this is not 2008. this is 2015. the election will be in 2016. she's projecting into the future what the country needs, whether that's paid leave, child care, the kinds of policies that will both strengthen families, improve the economy. >> right. >> and -- and really when american workers succeed, as she said yesterday, america will succeed. it's a very different economic philosophy than the republicans so she's going to build on that work and take the country forward. >> very quickly on the clinton foundation. when is the campaign going to officially outline exactly a president hillary clinton's relationship would be with the clinton foundation. do you feel like you're going to actually formally have to put that out, now how it would work during the campaign, but how it would work if she were elected president? >> well, look, i think that she has got off the foundation board and severed her relationship with the foundation because she's focused on running for president and getting elected president of the united states.

if she is successful and we get the nomination, which we're fighting for every vote for and she's elected president, then we'll put in place appropriate separation. >> but after she's elected this. wouldn't be something you would do before to assuage any concerns? >> i think if there are concerns we'd be happy to address those at an appropriate time but right now she's separated from the foundation, and i think that as she did as secretary of state she will put in place anything that's appropriate to make sure that the work of the foundation, which has been excellent across the country and across the world can continue but without any question about undue influence. >> john podesta, i know you go from here straight to iowa, busy week on the early states. we'll be watching. thanks for coming on "meet the press." >> thanks, chuck. >> let me bring in the panel, hugh hewitt radio talk show host. i think you've interviewed more in the republican field than any other person in raiddio or

television. and you've got a new book out, "the queen, epic ambition of hillary and the second coming of the clinton era," andrea mitchell been chief lshg foreign affairs correspondent but also chief hillary clinton correspondent. stephanie cutter. served as deputy campaign manager for president obama's 2012 re-election campaign, knows allotted about these things and evan thomas, former washington bureau chief of "newsweek" with a new book coming out on nixon and an interesting nixon-hillary comparison. you were there, andrea. you were there yesterday. there's been an interesting debate among democratic operatives about whether it felt like a good event but it didn't ever feel like an obama event. >> hillary clinton is never going to be barack obama. you're not going to see the kind of speech. in his springfield launch in '07 which was so tremendous. she had a big crowd. bigger than it seemed on the ground when you looked at the high shots, the television shots. not a soaring speaker but she is projecting the fighter which is

the name of the new video. that's what they want to show. that's the strategy. she will fight for you, and that's their answer to the progressive criticism that she's not, you know, out there on economic issues. they are trying to say that she will be, you know, your champion. that's the language they are use. she used that language over and over again and i think that there is something to the gender issue, as we all recall back in '07 and '08. she was the commander in chief. she hit from -- >> >> she almost thought it was a liability. >> right. >> now they have checked that box, and, boy, you know, not talking about foreign policy, that's for sure, but is she talking about the women, her connection, the first woman president. i may not be the youngest but i'll be the young estest first woman president. and i picked that up from the people in the crowd. men, fathers, children, the -- the history-making thing is a big deal. >> stephanie, i'm curious, dan balz who writes the great day-after analyses, subtle

differences she wanted to project with president obama in style. if the obama who defeated her eight years ago, the candidate of soaring rhetoric, of hope and inspiration, clinton is running as a dogged determined fighter at a time when many voters are looking for an achievable result. the implication being president obama doesn't finish the job. she's the task master. she'll finish the job. fair? >> i think that's fair. as andrea said, she is not barack obama in terms of how she can deliver speeches. very few people are. i think what we saw yesterday is very true to who hillary, is and she -- you know, she achieved what she wanted to achieve, that she's a fighter and will restore that basic economic bargain and laid out a series of economic proposals that she will fight for so she achieved what she needed to achieve. i think, you know, looking for that soaring rhetoric and grandiose high lifting remarks, i don't think we'll see that throughout the course of this campaign. that's not who she is and not

where the republican field is either. >> hugh, let's get a conservative point of view here. phil klein in "the washington examiner" wrote something fascinating. he said hillary clinton displayed her tremendous weaknesses as a candidate. all she has going for her is hope that pushing the right buttons on identity politics and promise willing new government benefits that americans will overlook what they don't like, but in 2016 republicans have the ability to nominate a formidable candidate to put up against democrats with lots of baggage. if they below it it may be their time to throw in the tunnel. do you buy it if they can't beat the hillary clinton presented yesterday, the republican party should just change course big time? >> well, she is a predicted favorite but i noted in your conversation with mr. podesta her catastrophic tenure at state did not come up, did not come up yesterday in her speech, libya, egypt, the reset button, the failure to reorient towards the pacific, so that was all missing from her otherwise state of the union sort of thing and when she brought up age i thought andrea made an interesting point.

she met it head on. but her one cultural reference in the speech which to the beatles song yesterday which was recorded 50 years ago today which is not exactly hitting all the buttons of the culture. >> well, i was waiting for "yesterday's gone, don't stop thinking about tomorrow." evan, funny you point that out. let me show marco rubio was quick to pounce on this. take a look. >> they believe in yesterday. >> yesterday is over. >> evan, i don't know, there's a lot of people who think some of that beginning part of her speech about the republicans meant marco rubio is in her head. what do you think? >> marco rubio is new. she is old. he's a new story. she's an old story, and she's got to cast herself in a new way. a lot of people remember the old hillary, and you can -- you can re-brand yourself in politics. it can be done. >> just written about a guy

who did it 17,000 times. >> the new nixon. the new new nixon. >> this is the new new hillary. >> every politician does this, but you can't entirely escape the past. i mean, nixon couldn't. nixon ran as a moderate but people remember the old nixon, and the old nixon had a way of coming back. hillary is not nixon, that's not -- not the case, but hillary has some nixon tendencies. she has a sense of aggrievement. she thinks that the press is out to get her. she's not wrong about that. but that over the long run, that sense of aggrievement and that sort of petulance can get you into trouble. >> yeah. it also seems to sometimes power her interestingly enough. >> powered nixon, too. >> all right. we're going to pause her. when we come back, we'll turn to the republican side of the race. a lot of them lined up this weekend to win over the financial donors to this man, the 2012 nominee mitt romney. well, governor romney joins me next.

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welcome back. this time four years ago our next guest was running for the republican presidential nomination. mitt romney run that race but then lost the general election to president obama. now he may be playing a king-maker of sorts. this weekend, a dozen hopefuls

gathered with mitt romney. they aimed for the hearts and minds and deep pockets of some big money donors who supported mr. romney last time. governor romney, welcome back to "meet the press." >> thanks, chuck, good to be with you. >> let me start with something that i saw that you did i believe two days ago. your main power point to the donors and, frankly, to the candidates and their aides that were there, you spent i think it was 20 30 40 minutes all about foreign policy and national security. yesterday we heard secretary clinton do a speech that was 97% about domestic policy. your campaign four years ago was about the economy first. do you believe that the republican nominee in 2016 needs to make this about national security first, that this is a national security election? >> well that's certainly an important issue and of course the fact that secretary clinton was the secretary of state during a period of time where america's interests around the world have been badly damaged,

that's an issue. but i think the heart of the campaign in 2016 is going to be about who has the policies most able to lift people out of poverty and to help people in the middle class have rising incomes again. because over the last seven years, we've seen policies that have led to record numbers of people that are poor. wage stagnation. greater income\s. it has not worked. so when secretary clinton is out giving a speech saying she's basically going to do the same thing that president obama promised, that didn't work. we've had a test of that. that's going to be i think the heart of the campaign in 2016. >> still very much more domestic first than national security as far as you are concerned. let move on to a couple of interesting nuggets attributed to you. there have been some reports you and sheldon alledson the big casino mogul, want to avoid a repeat of the primary chaos you went through in 2012?

what does that mean? what was the chaos of 2012 that you don't want to see repeated for the republican field in 2016? >> i think that's a comment i'll make very broadly which is i think it is harmful in a process if you have republicans attacking republicans. so i think it is very effective if instead we can talk about the differences between our views to help people in the middle class and help the poor versus the views of our opposition. as opposed to going after one another. i'm not saying i was perfect in that regard either but going back to ronald reagan's 11th commandment, that probably makes a lot of sense for our party. >> a lot of people are trying to read your mind and have this assumption that somehow you're a marco rubio guy. i know you've been denying this left and right, that you're fiercely neutral in all this. but do you believe that his time as a senator is a liability that actually you still -- because before you used to advocate the next nominee has to be a governor. do you still believe that?

>> well i think it's very helpful to have someone who has had experience in leadership. if you look at the people who are running on the republican side, almost every single one of them has had the opportunity to lead to manage to help direct something. marco rubio, for instance, was speaker of the house in his state. >> so that counts as executive experience to you. >> well people have different types of experience. jeb bush of course was a superb governor. did a great job. was the education governor that people across the country looked to. he's a very strong contender in this of course. scott walker has taken on tough issues in wisconsin, has proven his leadership chops. and of course john kasich governor of ohio you see extraordinary job growth there. we've got a field of very strong people. i think the thing that surprised most folks who came to this conference that we were holding out here in utah was how many strong contenders there are in our party. it is a real blessing i think for the american people to get a

good look at such capable people. >> a lot of the back-seat drivers in the republican race look at governor jeb bush's candidacy that gets launched tomorrow and say he has a similar problem with problems that you had in your two campaigns. you had to convince conservatives you were one of them. what's your advice to governor bush? >> well governor bush i think is a person of real integ glitrity who is well known. his record on issue is what will be defining for him and he has a strong record. people understand he cut taxes time and time again in florida. he fought very hard to improve schools, to get more school choice, to grade schools that weren't successful in such a way that students were able to go to other schools of their choice if their school was failing. he has a very strong record. he doesn't have to speak his way into conservatism. he has lived conservatism. and i think that will hold him in good stead. >> why hasn't he been the jugger is

juggernaut people thought he would be? people were saying you were maybe classifying your status as front-runner, but you were that guy. jeb bush is not considered that guy. what's happened? >> well actually as you go back to 2012 i remember it well rick perry led me. herman cane led in the polls. newt gingrich led in the polls. i wouldn't say i was the prohibitive front-runner. what jeb bush has been doing before launching his campaign which apparently comes tomorrow what he's been doing is doing what is really critical at this pre-campaign stage which is lining up supporters building your team in the early states raising money, getting people who will be with you. i think he's done that extraordinarily well. i think you're going to find when all the reports come out he's been doing what has to be done to launch a very effective campaign. >> let me just ask you the question i know you've been asked before but i'm curious your answer which is simply -- what mistakes do you feel like you made that you would tell a jeb bush marco rubio, scott

walker, if they are the nominee, to avoid? >> well they each have their own kind of mistakes. but in my case i think the biggest mistake i made was not focusing very early on on minority voters. hispanic americans. african-americans. asian asian-americans. our policies as a conservative group of people -- and our policies are designed to help people get out of poverty and to see rising incomes. and the policies of the opposition party are to talk about that but they don't help people get out of poverty. we have seen that. they don't create jobs. hillary clinton said famously that businesses don't create jobs. how in the world can you be so out of touch as not to realize that if we want to have better jobs for people we want small businesses to grow and thrive that's what we'll do. each of our candidates needs to communicate that to minority voters and if we do i think you're going to see a lot more minority voters say i hear the rhetoric but i also see the record and i want to work for the people who are going to get me a better josh and rising

incomes. >> our friends over at vice think you should be the next head of fifa. will you be the next head of fifa and fix soccer for the world? >> i'm frankly more concerned about getting this country going in the right direction so we can help the people who need it most. >> no soccer for mitt romney. thanks very much. coming up has president obama lost control of his own party. but first, do we have the wrong strategy to fight isis? do we have any strategy that's going to work? we'll be right back. >> announcer: "meet the press" is brought to you by morgan stanley, where capita get fast-acting,

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welcome back. whoever wins the presidency in 2016 is sure to inherit the war against isis. on wednesday president obama unveiled plans to deploy an additional 450 u.s. troops to help train the iraqi army and some non-isis aligned sunni fighters. on thursday chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, general martin dempsey, revealed the pentagon is actually considered establishing front lines in iraq, a move that may require even more u.s. troops. headlines this week have been damning whether it comes to isis. military experts and many democrats being highly critical of the leader of their own

party's approach to the war. >> we don't yet have a complete strategy. >> waiting on the pentagon for a plan is not where it should begin. where it needs to begin is it needs to begin at the white house. >> could i put 150,000 soldiers on the ground and defeat isis? yes. but then what? >> i am very concerned about mission creep. >> there is a real fear about mission creep here. >> i'd be much more comfortable in supporting that mission if i knew what the limits were. >> we've got enough questions about this. >> enough is enough. this is how we got started in vietnam. >> i'm joined by ambassador brett mcguirk, the president's didn'tic eyes on the ground in iraq. deputy special presidential enjoy on the global nish nifinitiative to counter isis. thanks for being here. >> pleasure to be here. >> obviously the president's plan depends on a functioning

iraqi military. what are 450 advisors going to do that $20 billion in training of the iraqi army hasn't done. >> we're nine months into what is going to be a long-term campaign. what the announcement that the president made this week is designed -- we've looked at what really works. and we have a training mission which is longer term. we also have an advise and assist mission. we've found that every time we have advised and assisted iraqi forces, tribal fighters, the kurds, they've been very effective against isis. the airbase is centrally located between ramadi and fallujah. after ramadi fell about three weeks ago we saw iraqi forces consolidate. a year ago when mosele fell five iraqi divisions completely disintegrated. ramadi was a little different. they reset their headquarters at the airbase and the prime minister asked us to come to help him to train, plan to recruit sunni fighters to take back territory. based on success we've had in other areas of aell anbar province

and the 1st iraq armor division is out there fighting, they've had real success. the advice and assist mission has been very effective. we think we can really make some gains there. >> it seems as if whether you want to go back to the surge or go to this plan that you just described which is taking what works, the common denominator is this. as long as the united states is there, iraq can be cobbled together. the minute you try to withdraw the american presence, iraq falls apart. it's been that way now for 14 years. how is that ever going to change? >> let me say two things. we have to keep in mind what the enemy isis is. we made an assessment last summer and it still holds. it is better in every respect than its predecessor, al qaeda, in iraq. remember what it took for u.s. forces to defeat that enemy. it is also a real threat to the

united states. the number of fighters, the number of jihadist fighters coming into syria now are about 24,000. it is about twice as many that went into afghanistan over ten years to fight the soviet union in the 1980s. we know what that led to. that's why we built a global coalition. but in iraq we're not trying to make iraq into a perfect place, a serve sonnian ianjeffersonian democracy. it is called a functioning federalism, it is consistent with their constitution. we've been working with -- >> partition with a little bit of a free umbrella. >> it is their constitutional federalist framework. why talked with a governor of anbar province local tribal leaders. i just got off the phone with some of our commanders in the field. now that we're working with the tribal committee in anbar we'll see over the next week some new tribal fighters coming in to get

into the fight. >> i want to ask you about former president george bush said this week? an interview with an israeli media out let -- a fair number of people in our country were saying that it was impossible to defeat al qaeda in iraq, which is isis as far as i'm concerned. they said i must get out of iraq. but i chose the opposite. i sent 30,000 more troops as opposed to 30,000 fewer. i chose the path of boots on the ground. we will see whether or not our government adjusts to realities on the ground. first time we've heard him directly i think criticize the strategy. he thinks there has to be boots on the ground. why is he wrong? >> i've worked closely with two presidents and i think the strategy we have now, it is a different time. when we were in iraq before we were there and had real authority to do whatever we warranted. we are there now at the invitation of the iraqi government so we have to work very closely with them. we're there to advise and assist to get sunni tribal fighters into the fight to work with iraqis to recon sol date-consolidate.

in northern syria as we speak the kurds with arab free syrian army fighters and some christian organized units are taking -- giving a beating to isis. they are close to cutting off the main supply route that isis has into its capital. there is a lot going on cluck. watch the euphrates valley over the next six months. >> those six months success or failure depends on that. >> specifically in anbar province. >> ambassador mcgurk thanks for coming on. a huge loss for president obama on trade. he's never had the congressional republicans on his side on many issues. now why is he losing democrats, too? also something new coming up. "meet the next." in this case the next big idea. what you'll be asked to debate. we'll be right back. >> announcer: "meet the press" is brought to you by morgan

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well it was an embarrassing defeat friday for president obama when many of his fellow democrats voted against a bill that would have made it easier for him to negotiate a huge international trade deal specifically one with asia. this came after of the president turned on the last-minute charm offensive in the hours before

the vote making his first presidential appearance at the annual congressional baseball game he shook hands, chatted with multiple members who, it turns out, he was not able to persuade to go along with him. he also walked the hallways of congress the next morning with democratic leader nancy pelosi before she took to the floor to pull the rug out from under him and ended up explaining why she would not be supporting a key part of his trade plan. while the trade deal isn't dead this past week's vote shows cracks in obama's relationship with his own party on capitol hill and possibly now his legacy. joining me now, someone who knows a lot about president obama's deals with congress and trade deals, his former chief of staff bill daily. you were president clinton's point man on nafta. i want to start with this amazing set of numbers. house democratic support for trait agreements over the last 20-plus years. in 1993 you did nafta, you got 102 house democrats to support it. in 1998 that number on trade agreement support was down to

29. i believe that was for a couple central american trade agreements. by 2015 yesterday we saw 28 democrats do it. what has happened here? democratic party almost now unanimously anti-trade agreement. >> i think obviously the influence of labor who have been consistent forever that trade deals are bad and they think they are at the root of all the loss of jobs that may have occurred over the last 30 40 years. i feel strongly that both from a policy sense and a political sense, it is very wrong for the democrats to undercut the president at this stage. this deal though can still get done in the next couple of days. >> it's interesting, he wasn't successful at lobbying congress. you were brought in to try to help him fix this. it never was able to get fixed. "at the heart of discontent is the belief by members of the house and senate that the president is unmindful of the most basic rule of executive congressional relationships. don't wait to call members until you need them." so when the president tried that

late flurry of activity it looked both panicky and ineffective. >> putting trade aside, i think there's been a consistent message by some people that the president isn't engaged. i spent a year with him. the truth is at this stage after 6 1/2 years, this president has met with spoken to democrats especially over and over and over again. now was he one of them 7 1/2 years ago when he ran for president? no. but i think to pass this vote off in some way because he wasn't nice to people or didn't go and have a beer with them or go to the baseball game enough with them is kind of silly especially when you consider the seriousness of this issue. in my opinion both the democrats, as republican house members in late president bush's term turned on him and weakened him, it hurt them in the general election in 2008. if the democrats continue to do this sort of thing and especially on this issue and undercut the president, they're only shooting themselves in the foot because it is only going to

weaken the party and whoever the nominee is of the party next year. >> so in that case hillary clinton. let me get the panel a couple of questions. andrea andrea. >> bill, you could say it is silly he has schmoozed enough with members, but the day after this devastating vote, instead of taking people golfing he's off with his friends on the golf course again. he has not done anything to show members of congress that he cares about them that he wants them until it is almost too late. and big business also. i talked to a house member yesterday out at roosevelt island who said not a single person of the chamber of commerce had tried to offset labor's big push. >> the chamber and other business interests obviously are very much in favor of the trade deal. they have been out there. there's advertising on tv pro trade, pro tpp. that's all coming from business not from -- >> they haven't been -- there hasn't been any real arm-twisting by business to offset the power -- >> business doesn't have a lot of power to arm-twist democrats.

with republicans, this deal can get done. all the speaker has to do is put it back together. the t p.a.aa and tpa. i think john podesta said there's something smart about hillary clinton's position. there's no trade deal yet. the first president since other than richard nixon since franklin roosevelt who wouldn't have the authority. >> bill daley, you were the president's right arm during the time secretary of state clinton was in the state department. how surprised were you to learn she had a private server and had you known about that at the time, would you have required that it be removed from her home? >> i don't know i would have required her to be removed from the home. that's more than just her server. obviously it was something that i did not know and others didn't but she followed the rules of the state department and we're beyond that. >> so you had no idea at all that there was a server over at the clinton's residence?

>> no. how would i know that? >> i thought the chief of staff might -- >> they know a lot but they don't know everything. >> bill let me wrap it on this front. if he doesn't get this trade agreement, this trade authority, how much does this damage him on the world stage? >> i think it is a serious blow to the country. you've got the iranian negotiations being finished. he then has to bring that back to -- it still has to be voted upon. if all of a sudden people around the world are saying he has a less of a chance getting something in congress i think that's a serious blow. >> he can't get a trade deal. this trade authority that it is sending a message to the iranians -- >> i think it is sending a whole bunch of things. i think that's where democrats, again, are making a serious political mistake in weakenings a president when they're going into an election. he's not on the ballot but he is their leader. this is the fellow who's going to be out there making the case along with the nominee for the democrats to get elected. if they weaken him, it is a politically stupid thing to do. >> lot more partisan redistricting now than when you

were dealing with democrats circa 1993. that's also an issue. >> it is definitely. and a lot fewer. this is the smallest number of house democrats in i don't know how long. they're more afraid because of a primary vote. if you want to grow your numbers, you don't go into a crouch. you have to be aggressive. you have to -- bill clinton said and i think president obama's saying regarding this trade deal -- the party that is -- looks frightened and wants to go back is not a party that's going to be victorious. you've got to go forward and you've got to be out there fighting the fight in trade and around the world. >> bill daley, thanks for sharing your views and experience. we'll see if the cubs might actually make your hometown of chicago proud. >> i'm a white sox fan. >> so you don't care do you? >> you south sider you. >> but i'm a blackhawk fan. >> we know you lead busy lives and sometimes you can't be in front of the tv to see "meet the press" live. give us the season pass will you? do that now. even if it is not sunday you know it's always still "meet the

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well we're going to start our "end game" segment today with an art screen. with the two big announcements that have taken place, hillary yesterday, jeb bush tomorrow we decided to examine every word in the 13 announcement speeches that have been given so far to find out whether candidates were focused on the issues that actually matter to most voters. in fact, take a look at this. in our latest nbc news/"wall street journal" poll voters said economic growth and job crow yags creation were their top issues. turns out the candidates are listening. senator bernie sanders running a as democrat devoted 45% of his speech to the issue of the economy. republican senator lindsey graham running as a republican dedicated 42% of his speech to foreign affairs and national security. candidates also spent time on other issues of particular importance to them.

for instance senator rand paul spent a noticeable chunk of time on his issue on government surveillance. rick santorum was a mix of domestic issues social issues like abortion and veterans affairs. that's how candidates can make themselves stand out in a crowd. find little smaller issues that make them different. let's look at hillary clinton's speech yesterday. kind of an interesting pie chart. she actually spent 27% of her time on calls for action. 17% of her speech was on the economy. and just 3% was on foreign policy. pretty interesting. former secretary of state, announces for president and spends just 3% on foreign policy. here is the line that i think best sums up what issue she would like to have her presidency defined by. >> i'm running to make our economy work for you and for every american. for the successful and the struggling. for the innovators and inventors.

for everyone who's ever been knocked down but refused to be knocked out. >> her "why" as we were pointing out. as you can see, the two parties have two different views of what the 2016 election is going to be about. is it about the economy? is it about national security? mitt romney waffled on that. he spent all of this time with donors on national security then he went no whoa it's still about the economy. >> i think both parties know that each issue -- the economy and foreign policy -- is something that doesn't have much legs. i don't think voters really think that we're going to do much about the economy. they'd like to lessen the gap between rich and poor but they don't have much faith that we will. on foreign policy they sure don't like isis but they don't want to get into a war with isis so i think both parties kind of know that and they know that in the end it is going to be personality and character that drives us more than the issues. >> you buy that? >> i think personality and

character are extremely important in presidential races but i don't buy that the american people believe that nothing's going to get done on both topics. i think foreign policy is a republican-based issue which is why you see republicans coming out of the gate talking about it. >> this is an extra base issue. >> i said a republican establishment issue and it always has been. i think the problem is that what they're uk talktalking about is the all critique of the president, there's no policies out there. their problem is the policies their establishment wants is commitment of troops and that's a lose are forethe the american people. the economy, mitt romney said it the best and had he had this belief in 2012 he might have been a better candidate, that it is the economy, it is the sense that everybody's going to get a fair chance and everybody's going to be lifted up. that is what you saw in hillary clinton's speech yesterday, that the basic economic bargain. you work hard you do your part then you can partake in the success of this country. >> let's turn to tomorrow and

jeb bush. i watched that whole video. the little teaser. as i noted, he really is running on compassion and conservatism but don't call it compassion and conservatism. he's not going to be one of these republicans that leads with national security first. >> andrea pointed out mike murphy, his campaign consultant is already tweeted out that he hasn't been rebranded, he's been saying the same thing for many years. jeb bush is going to run on everything because he has the best resume of anyone in the race. he'll run on his vast experience as governor of flordzida but i do think the national economy will dominate. isis makes 100 million social media contacts a day. it takes only a very small percentage of that to radicalize significant numbers. we are living in a perilous time so that's going to matter. >> is jeb bush conservative enough for today's republican party? >> he is very very conservative. yes. common core is an issue. you pointed it out at the beginning of the show. he needs to address that with the base. >> you really do.

>> absolutely. >> maybe flip? >> and distance himself from that which does common core and what it is today. >> distance another word for flip. all right. before we go before we go yesterday marked seven years since this program and our washington bureau lost its leader, tim russert. i didn't feel as if we should let this weekend go by without mentioning it. i can't believe it's been that long. andrea, seven years feels like seven minutes, seven days. that's for sure, doesn't it? >> he's in my head every day, every interview -- >> wwtd. what would tim do. with every challenge, internal and external. >> the loss is so profound for his family our viewers, for us here. >> guess what. his presence is felt obviously anywhere when we are thinking about this but his presence and legacy lives on in one very particular moment that you hear all the time. it is probably his most enduring legacy here at "meet the press." it's the catch-phrase that he came up with. he came up with it at the last minute on a saturday night

before the first show he ever did. and it goes like this. request it's sunday, it's "meet the press." there are some things we mere mortals can't explain. >> i swear to god. >> from mysterious lights in the sky -- >> it looked triangular in shape, and at each corner it had what looked like a red l.e.d. light. >> to a creepy night at the museum. >> the statue was actually moving. >> i thought someone was playing a trick on me. >> mythical beasts. >> what is that? oh, man. >> and monsters at sea. >> what in the heck is that? those things are big! >> you've got to be kidding. what is this? >> i'm convinced there's something in that lake. >> if it's real and true, i think a portion of the population would freak out.