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bout the two top priorityies priorities. policing and criminal justice reform. now mrs. clinton did make a major policy speech a few weeks ago dealing with the criminal justice system but it was not in her launch. she must include everything and everybody if she's going to have a coalition that represents what is winnable. thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton. "hardball" starts right now. her weekend without bernie let's play "hardball." >> america can't succeed unless you succeed. [ cheers ] >> that is why i am running for president of the united states. [ cheers ]
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>> good evening. i'm chris matthews. washington you want a fight? you got one. like curry answering james last night, hillary clinton spent the weekend putting up points. let bernie sanders charge up wall street she's working main street promising to create e equal opportunity. you wounder what the clinton campaign was missing? we know an opponent someone to light up her engine and thank god this isn't going to be boring after all. david axle rod, columnist with the "washington post" and hillary clinton's chief speech wry wry tore and senior advisor. hillary clinton picked up where she left off after the big announcement speech. while bernie sanders is going after concentrated wealth. clinton says there is nothing wrong with success, let's watch. >> i don't think americans are against success, i think americans are against people who
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get on the top of the ladder and start pulling it up so nobody else has the same chance they had and act as though they pulled themselves up by the boot straps and log cabin. at some point we're in this together and those of us who do have opportunities ought to be doing more to help other people do the same. >> pay attention. compared to what we heard from bernie sanders the day he announced for president. >> this campaign starting today is going to send the message to the billionaire class and that is you can't have it all to the billionaire class and i say your greed has got to end, and you cannot contend and if you refuse to accept your responsibility. >> i see a battle here.
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i hope we'll get hotter the standard and getting the tide to rise and against wall street. very different than what he was offering. >> definitely a battle. i don't know if it's going to actually grow into a battle. >> we talk about it in fact it will be interesting each of them is trying to talk to the sole of the democratic party and she's delivering what is essentially the traditional democrat. >> she's a democrat and he's a socialist. he says he is. not knocking the guy, he is what he is. he's saying what socialism means, take from the rich and use it to school programs and stuff like that. anyway, does the democratic party want to grow the pie or re redistribute the pie? >> in the coming weeks, i'll propose specific policies to
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reward businesses who invest in long-term value rather than the quick buck because that leads to higher growth for the economy, higher wages for workers and yes, bigger profits. everybody will have a better time. >> yesterday bernie sanders spoke about massive wealth redistribution. >> there has been a massive redistribution of wealth which has gone from the middle class and working families to the top one-tenth of 1%. we're going to take some money back for the middle class. >> well, david, the fight, hilary says we can do well if the rich pay their share. bernie is much more socialist about it. he's saying okay let's go get the money they got and give it to the people that need it. different point of view i think. >> look, we've got a situation where people now are, the median
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income in this country is what it was in 1989 and anxiety about that and there is a great deal of anger about what is seen as the rigging of the system. that is real. but i think hilary's fundamental approach reflects the main stream of the democratic party. i think she'll be the nominee of the party. i think people have lwill have a fling with bernie. he won't be around too so long. you'll see people flirt with that. at the end of the day, she'll be the nominee and incorporate elements of a more populous agenda but in a growth frame. >> that's interesting. melissa, what do you think? i love the metaphor not the one-night stand, that's gross but the wild kid, he's the fun to date for awhile but when it comes time to marry somebody, not bernie sanders. >> i agree. david is right.
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they both agree about one fundamental problem. >> i'm not interested what they agree about. i'll warning you right now. you're on the wrong show. go to al sharpton -- >> you're not going to vote me into changing. no, agree income inequality is the problem and different prescriptions. >> explain the difference. >> no, i mean she's, as you said he's more about redistribution of wealth and she's about growth for everyone and having everybody have a bigger share of the pie. her problem is the pie is this big and the very small, small fraction of people are getting the bulk of it so she's about having everybody get more of it and she's been pretty clear about that and he's about, i think, more punitive ways of going about it. >> is she smarter not to be so punitive? so she smart to be like we're on this together rather than go to war against the rich? is that a smart move today? >> i think it's who she is. >> when you register the party, the party is more to the left clearly and clearly hilary
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nudged herself to the left a bit and she said so but is it more angry and you have to get angry and snarl a bit really show you out to get the rich? do you have to to do that? >> i don't know about out to get the rich but people think there are inequities. if you're a growth democrat than you need to get the money somewhere to invest in education, to invest in research and development, to invest in infrastructure and invest in the pillars of growth and it has to come from the people who have gotten the benefit of the economy over the last so many years at -- >> how do you do it? >> well that's the issue that has, i mean that's a big issue because hilary said she's going to be a better negotiator with congress and i think people see her as someone that can navigate washington perhaps better than president obama but it's going to be hard because anything that is labeled spending is dead on
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arrival in this congress and that's going to be a problem for any democratic president. >> when it comes to wall street hillary clinton has scolded the financial community. here he is at this saturday's big announcement. here she is here. >> the financial industry and multi national corporations created huge wealth for a few by focussing too much on short term profit and too little on long-term value. >> wow she's for long-term investments. here is senator sanders and he sounds like he wants to destroy wall street. much different tone here. >> wall street cannot continue to be an island on to itself gambling trillions in risky financial instruments while expecting the public to bail it out. if a bank is too big to fail that bank is too big to exist. >> that's strong talk there,
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very strong. >> i think the sweet spot is in between the two statements and it's where elizabeth warren has been on the issue and where some of hilary's rhetoric has also gone in that direction and that is the system is rigged the system is rigged against middle class -- >> she's not talking like that now. >> well, but she has been talking. >> has been. i think -- >> look listen i can defend this speech was very worked on. i think she had a lot to do with writing. wasn't as good of a speech as jeb. jeb had a professional speech. may not have written a word of it but it sang. hers was much more her, the kind of speech a regular person would write, didn't you think? >> it was a political speech. >> but it was her. my mom. >> her mother she's laying out her life story and how the values she believes connected the values of the country that connect to where she wants to take the country. that's what you want out of a speech like that. the press constantly beats up on
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her not having enough detail so she threw in more policy detail than usually done in these launch speeches but i think that was probably preemptive because she knew she would get creamed if she didn't do that. it was good. i saw a reporter that said i loved that told me what she'll do about early childhood education and so on. >> she's always been there, i agree. you're laughing over there in the bleachers, what do you think was funny that you heard there, listen -- >> i thought -- >> you're chuckling at her. >> i thought it showed supreme confidence. she's so confident she gave the state of the union speech early, which i think -- >> i complete agree with you. did you see her today? i thought it was so presidential and i'm not her biggest fan normally. i have to say that i like the fact that she has this guy nick merril calling on press people in order like press conferences. wasn't that a big development she can say who gets to ask?
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poor andrea mitchell the best in the business didn't get to like eighth because they decide who gets to ask the questions. >> see how long that lasts. [ laughter ] >> what do you think? do you think that will be a problem? i thought she was great, top of her game because she was defining herself, the nixon days if you don't define yourself carefully where she wants to be somewhere left of center but not too far left somebody else will. anyway hillary clinton is taking a cautious approach, clearly the hot button issue of trade. here is what she said yesterday about the president's big tpp trade deal. very careful. >> they are the voices you heard them for the deal no matter what is in it and they are the voices against the deal no matter what is in it. well i kind of fall in the group that says let's find out what is in it and make it as good as it can be and let's make a decision. >> very interesting. now watch how much that sounds like her husband did back in
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1992 in the race when he was talking about nafta. here is clinton. >> i am the one in the middle of this. mr. bush says it's a honky dory deal. i say it does more good than harm, if if we can get protection for the environment so the mexicans have to follow their own environmental standards, labor law standards and if we have a genuine commitment to train and reinvest in this economy. i have a realistic approach to trade. i want more trade. and i know there is good things in that agreement, but it can sure be made better. >> the that is masterful, david axle axle rod, masterful to support it after he became president without offending the unions on the way to becoming president. brilliant piece of work. your thoughts? hilary is trying to do the same. >> easier for hillary clinton
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because he wasn't the secretary of state in charge when these negotiations began and when she left in december of 2012 she was in australia, she called the tpp, she said it was going to be the gold standard for trade agreements, so this is very, very freighted for her. this is difficult terrain to navigate because she owned this to some degree and has to navigate through it. >> i was trying to be nice to her and you're dragging me back in. by the way, one other aspect her husband is clearly for this. if somebody can find him, he'll say so. go clinton, i heard him in tokyo, 100% said this was a magnificent bill. anyway, he won't be heard from for awhile. thank you david for being tougher on hilary than i was. we'll have you back melissa, who wrote some of these great words over the years. coming up president obama badly wants the historic trade deal with asia, his major
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achievement and believes it's essential but after democrats handed him a whooping this friday what can he do to save the effort? big question alive and jeb bush offer as bright shining preview for 2016. here he is. >> i've decided i'm a candidate for president of the united states of america. [ cheers ] >> so jeb is through the threshold, the question is his parry ready to layout the red carpet? apparently not. hillary clinton in the poll of history embracing the possibility she would be the first woman president. actually, the youngest woman president in history. it's a magnet to millions of americans and republicans simply don't have an answer to her. finally, let me finish with the battle for the 2016 democratic presidential nomination and we got one this is "hardball" a place for politics. urchases on your account in seconds. and once you find it you can switch it right on again.
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>> the district attorney isn't saying much but she had an unusual relationship. she had a relationship with richard matt. she was going to be the get away driver and run off with them long-term, chris? >> do we know anything about her plans? i go back to the question about the husband, nothing there yet?
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>> reporter: nothing there yet. i can tell you there are thousands of tips coming up. 800 servers but not one sighting of the killers. they could be anywhere maybe in mexico but the searchers on the ground say they are still here. there is no reason to believe they went anymore else. they believe they are on foot together somewhere in the dense rest behind me. they say they will get them it's just time. you talk to residents here and they say if they haven't caught them yet, they are probably long gone. >> i think they hitchhiked out in the middle of the night. thank you adam reese. what a story. we'll be back after this.
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the democrats abandoned their president, the lead of their party on a bill and program they demanded as part of this, that they previously voted for unanimously and asked for part of this process.
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so to me it was stunning they would do this. >> welcome back to "hardball" that was paul ryan talking about the trade vote that failed friday. ryan worked with president obama on passing the sweeping bill crucial to the president's economic legacy but on political life support. last week the president republicans got enough votes to pass fast track but democrats tanked the trade package by voting down workers assistance program and historically been supportive of. nancy pelosi joined in. >> i will be voting today to slow down the fast track to get a better deal for the american people. bigger check, bigger paychecks, better infrastructure help the american people fulfill the american dream. >> she looked tortured there. hillary clinton backed pelosi in a swing through iowa. here she is. >> the president should listen
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to and work with his allies in congress starting with nancy pelosi who have expressed their concerns about the impact that a weak agreement would have on our workers to make sure we get the best strongest deal possible and if we don't get it there should be no deal. [ applause ] >> well, that was carefully said by someone very much finessing this issue. ""the washington post"" said no one is declaring it dead but if they decline to lend a hand prospects appear merck kiirky. here he was yesterday. >> i feel strongly that both from a policy sense and a political sense, it is very wrong for the democrats to under cut the president at this stage. this deal though can still get done in the next couple of days. >> well the house is expected
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to vote again sometime this week. for more on the president and his last-ditch effort to save the trade agenda i'm joined by david corn and jake sherman jones. jake you're the expert. what's the chances? i felt pelosi was pulled by others on the progressive side of the democratic party that got to her. this is where the caucus is and she didn't want to be there but was there in the end. i think bill clinton is for this and hillary clinton probably leaning towards it but nobody wants to mess with strong labor. labor never looked stronger almost like a wounded animal is the most dangerous animal. let me ask, is there hope for either the republicans or democrats to save this bill? >> if there is hope the path is certainly not clear yet and here is the problem, if you listen to what pelosi says and other democratics say, they are voting
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against taa to tank the deal. so as long as there is a deal on the table, nothing is going to pass. i mean republicans are thinking of a couple options, thinking of passing tea. there is no clear sense how this will get through. there is talk of another part of trade agenda but really no sense the votes are there and you're right, pelosi is in a real tough spot. her caucus is overwhelmingly against this trade deal and there is really no unwinding from where we sit. their position is kind of firm at this point. >> i want to get to the politics of this. i know you don't like the sdming a lot of people don't and i'm mixed. i think the guy from new york, one of the guys said this weekend in the paper if this was just a simple bill they had a vote on, they could have gotten through but nobody wants to mess
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with labor. labor is really hot. >> i think that's true. labor is hot on it for policy reasons reasons. >> solidarity reasons, too. >> give me the cases. >> i think there are both. >> trade. >> they care about losing jobs and maybe union jobs because that weakens the union movement overall. solidarity is something -- >> do you think that's the case? someone works for state or local government, that will make them weaker? >> i think union leaders worry about that yeah. you don't want on the service sector to be unionized. >> or public sector. >> that's driving part of the union side and i think from the democratic side, there are, you talk to democratic members who are against this and they are like 20,000 different reasons. >> it's not complicated. >> just some policy. >> i agree. >> the president, you know did not do his job. >> let me ask you this the president starts on this show, the jerry connolly out in virginia. one show on this and i think
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that was an attempt to build support. never got past the 25, 26 dem democrats democrats. he got the people from virginia resuming economically with high tech and get back to the spell with the democratic party building the future across the great lakes areas, you know pennsylvania to wisconsin, iowa all those states. nobody up there is for this. still geographic problem for the democrats, they want to build their future. they lost the south and rockies, they only have the left coast if you will and that parts, how do you build a case for trade in that part of the country? >> i don't think they care about bidding a case for trade on a broad base scale. obama wanted to pass this bill. he wanted to do it with the coalition he could cobble together. you saw 27, 28, 29 democrats for this bill. if it passed he would have been completely fine with that. he was looking at the end result. he came to capitol hill and told
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people to play it straight. he didn't get into a policy argument. he didn't take any questions or field any comments in a closed meeting of house democrats. he's looking at this from a prague point of view. >> i worry about the fight we may have to go into iran and start a war. will this make him look weak? he can't deliver, bounce like that. >> i think the iranians will cut a deal if it's basically in their interest. and -- >> how about if he can't deliver? >> if he signs the deal the deal is a deal. he doesn't have to pass that deal. they can try to approve or disapprove it or take a back door way to under cut. it's not like this trade accord. it doesn't come for this deal. it probably doesn't help in giving him strength but at the end of the day, the iranians will acrecept the deal if they think there is something in it
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for them. >> they could be a rich country again. great to have your reporting here and david, yours counsel. up next how did it go wrong for richard nixon? fascinating. i read the whole book. evan thomas out with a major new buy ogden by ogden buy ogden fee about richard next son. this is "hardball." your place for politics. audible safety beeping the nissan rogue with safety shield technologies. the only thing left to fear is you imagination. nissan. innovation that excites. you wouldn't order szechuan without checking the spice level. it really opens the passages. waiter. water. so why would you invest without checking brokercheck?
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time again was eerily successful. a new book coming out tomorrow, "being nixon" by evan thomas examining the events that came to shape him. it's a compelling portrait of a politician who as president bill clinton said at his funeral in 1994 deserved to be judged in the whole. >> today is a day for his family, his friends and his nation to remember president nixon's life and totality. to them let us say may the day of judging president nixon on anything less than his entire life and career come to the a close. >> i'm joined by author and historian evan thomas. that's what you did, looked at him in totality. obviously, lots of words but the whole picture in going through this exploration as a historian,
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what did you find that grabbed you? >> i was surprised, you know we had this view of nixon as being a dark and somber and mean figure. i was surprised that he tried, he didn't always succeed but tried to be a confident and happen person. late at night he would write notes about the need to be joyful. he wanted to be that person. he didn't always sukecceed. he was good at bucking up and good with his family. he was a loving father. he was a surprisingly good husband. he was a much more complex tragic figure than the common cartoon allows. he was just a fascinating, i would argue the most fascinating political figure of the 20th century. >> i'm with you on that. let me ask you about the movies i'm a movie nut. the fact he saw 500 movies at camp david or white house movie theater and would say during a
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turkey of a movie or lemon as you put it, he would stay stick with it it will get better. that's the opposite of jack kennedy, let's get out of here this is no good and make everybody leave with him. nixon would be the last guy in the room. is that hope springs eternal in the movie theater? >> nixon approached watergate the way he approached the movies. hoped it would get better. of course there wasn't. nixon partly because he could see the dark side wanted to believe that things would work out in the end and he tried to keep up the hope that you have that scene of him saying good-bye and the helicopter. >> looking at it yeah. >> even on the helicopter, eddie cox said you'll be back and nixon just nodded his head yeah, i'll be back. he never lost faith. >> i want people to read the book because there is so much intrigue. there is so much to it. the one thing i worked when i worked on a book around this edge, eddie cox told me off the record but a long time he
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basically said how great pat nixon was. we thought she was plastic pat. no she looked out for me and was a really good person. that's in your book. pat nixon, this is a hand some picture. >> look how beautiful she is. >> what do you make of that story, she put up through thick and thin and all the hell she put up with and never left him. >> couldn't believe his good luck marrying the most beautiful girl. look at that early picture. she was a knockout, she was gorgeous. he was devoted to her. she helped him a lot when he felt like quitting she was the one who said you can't, you can't do it you can't do it to me and your children. she hung in there with him. ultimately, she did get worn out. by the end of watergate you can tell from the photos she's exhausted. she and the president really weren't talking that much at the end. nixon told his secretary he was resigning, not his wife. they would leave little notes on pillows at night and kind of
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like one of his saids said out of a novel. but there was a sadness at the end, it showed but you know, after he left the white house, the marriagech make resumed. nixon, the most uptight guy there ever was was bawling. tears are pouring from him. billy graham is trying to console him. he missed her. he loved his wife and he missed her. >> i think this is one of your great works, evan, buddy. this is one of the great works you've done. if anyone loves politics and agree there are two or three fascinating people in politics lbj, jack kennedy and nixon are the top three. >> yeah. >> we'll all agree about that because we'll never get to the bottom of them, never. >> i tried. >> you went a long way down to the bottom floor. thank you, evan. by the way, good luck with the book. the book is called being nixon for the inside like being
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i'm richard lui, a low pressure system turning in the gulf could become a tropical storm. residents in texas and louisiana are urged to prepare for floods. the 16-year-old that lost an arm thisin a shark attack that week send in good condition. the head of the naacp spokane chapter resigned earlier. she's accused of pretending to be black. she'll be a gust on msnbc tomorrow morning in an exclusive
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interview with maelissa harris-perry. now back to "hardball." i've decided i'll a candidate for the president of the united states of america. >> back to "hardball" after six months touring the countries as a presumed 2016 presidential candidate, jeb bush formally announced his entry into the crowded field of candidates. at the top of his speech he called for an end to democratic leadership in the white house slamming clin slamming slamming hillary clinton's dan da canada see. >> the party in the white house is planning a no suspension primary for a no-change election to hold on to power, to slog on with the same agenda under another name. that's our opponent's call to action this time around. that's all they have got left. i for one, am not eager to see
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what another four years would look like under that kind of leadership. >> no, no no. >> the presidency should not be passed on from one liberal to the next. >> wow, bush also vowed to stick to his principles promising to run an optimistic and inclusive campaign. >> my message will be optimistic because i'm certain we can make the decades ahead the greatest time to be alive in this world. i will campaign as i would serve, going everywhere speaking to everyone keeping my word facing the issues without flinching and staying true to what i believe. i will take nothing and no one for granted. i will run with heart and i will run to win. [ cheers ] >> pretty fine speech. after weeks of missteps staff shakeups and the shifting positions in 2003 invasion of
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iraq, of course, will bush's message get the campaign on track? bush has slipped into third place, ben carson dr. ben carson leads the field at 11 followed by scott walker at ten and bush is tied with rubio at 10% and mike huckabee at 8%. i'm joined by the round table. howard of the "huffington post" and senior political reporter perry bacon. first of all, that list is a joke. dr. carson it's a joke. it's not going to be that way. it doesn't mean anything except whimsy. but bush is running to me for the nomination of a political party that no longer exists. he has a mexican wife. he is the brother of a president who let us in a ground war in iraq his party is totally against. get down the list. he's more common core. everything he's for the hamajority
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of the party protests. like the approach he gave us today. >> it's less about him right now and more about can he disqualify scott walk skperp can he disqualify marco rubio. $100 million. >> you say -- >> i suspect he's going to be positive on himself and i expect scott walker is going to do well in debate. so you got to think about that. i think jeb can win if he disqualifies opponents the way mitt romney won last time. winning this way will be hard. >> interesting how times have changed. there he is the most established name in america, bush. grandson or whatever of prescott bush in connecticut. he shows up in a shirt. the only thing about him was preppy was the button down. no tie, no jacket no suit. i don't know what kind of shoes he was wearing but might as well be wearing khakis and the guy, why is that so important? is he really credible as a
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candidate against the establishment like he was showing himself to be today? >> i would say -- >> against the elite? >> chris, i would say it's strategy. the reason walker and rubio are where they are in part is because they are younger and self made individuals that tell a different story. it's difficult for the bushes. >> cuban americans. >> he has to rely on the story of his wife and audacity and guts he showed marrying her, falling in love and marrying her -- >> never heard that before. the that was gutsy. >> that was to bring colombia back into the bush family. >> how can you be anti immigrant except for the first lady? i love the way you said that. >> the way hillary clinton dug back into his history, he's digging back for those things that attach him to new traditions and waves and trends. you're right about the party.
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the party has moved way to the right of where the bush family as an institution has been known to be. >> the reality is that the last time a republican won a presidential election was george w. bush in 2004 and did it by winning 40% of the latino vote and john mccain got 31% mitt romney 27% and what jeb bush was doing was politely saying is we don't have a prayer. >> i thought 60% of the supreme court. [ laughter ] >> i think it's the right point. >> yeah, scott walker and marco rubio specifically, i talked to the a scott walker strategist that said jeb bush's speech was bizarre, trying to alienate -- >> what are you talking about? [ laughter ] >> bush hails from one of the most prominent families in america, political families portrayed himself as an anti elitest outsider ready to clean
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up washington. >> we don't need another president that holds the top spot among the pampered elites of washington. we need a president willing to challenge and disrupt the culture and i'll be that president. >> the pampered elite. he's a bush. excuse me they were born on third base and thought they had a triple or double. >> i think that george w. went after that as governor by trying to be a regular governor and learning how to use a chainsaw. [ laughter ] >> i don't know what jeb is doing in that regard. he's a smart guy he studies the issues. he's tough, he's nasty as a politician. >> jeb is? >> jeb. to say he's going to run against the pampered elite is interest sglg is sglg. >> is he going to screw up up washington like he did texas. >> put it this way, if a bush can run as a change agent -- >> up next, hillary clinton and the poll of history, a big thing for a lot of voters her being
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against success. i think americans are against people who get on the top of the ladder and start pulling it up so nobody else has the same chance they had and act as though they pulled themselves up by the boot straps and a log cabin they built themselves. >> campaigner willing to embrace the title of first woman president in history. here she is with a great line. >> while i may not be the youngest candidate in this race but i will be the youngest woman president in the history of the united states. >> that's a great line. today's "washington post" reporter says the clinton campaign has figured out how to showcase clinton's potential as the first female president. electing her would be the biggest change the presidency has ever seen after 43 men in the job she would be the first woman. i thought that was a great line i will be the youngest woman
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because i will be the only woman. >> she is running as a woman and running as her mother's daughter so stressing the feminine side and struggles of her own mother. i think leaders like angela merkel in germany -- >> she is a role model. >> sort offluencing the idea that it is time for a woman. i think it is the best thing hillary has. >> i think angela merkel -- there have been other great woman leaders, but angela merkel naut is not a warrior but a damn success. >> part of it is out of necessity. there are democrats who are concerned there is not a lot of enthusiasm for her. the other point that i would make -- >> what is the largest group in the democratic party? >> women, of course. one of the things people forget is when president obama was running in 2007-2008 he had less
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experience but there was concern that hillary clinton wasn't all that qualified either. fast forward eight years she has had four years as secretary of state which is the single most qualified credential. >> why doesn't she talk about it. >> she didn't learn the lesson in total. >> she never mentioned secretary of state over the weekend. >> first of all, democrats tend to care about the economy, social security and things like that more. second of all, the obama clinton foreign policy is not something to brag about, the growth of isis failures in iraq. i think in terms of hillary clinton president talking about income and equality issues. notice jeb bush and ted cruz talk about foreign policy. >> she wants to run as an outsider and doesn't want to talk about secretary of state or white house or senate.
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unlike bernie sanders who calls herself a socialist she refused to let the democratic party be confused with the british labor party and refused to let it be said by party's enemies or friends that the primary goal is an assault on those who made it in this country. what hillary clinton is offering is the case for opportunity and fairness for those who are not and wants those she calls every day americans to have a clear opportunity to improve their lives to get significantly higher incomes, relief from student loans, real stuff, not battle cries against those who already have it. it is an intriguing and powerful dichotomy we are seeing. hillary offering herself as a classic liberal. it's a debate a contest that can only bring truth to those who think this is precisely where the battle lines should be drawn while those on the right argue whether to invest in a credible candidate for president
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or put their sucker money on one of the contestants stuffed in the clown car. that's "hard ball" for now. "all in with chris hayes" starts right now. >> i think i was talking about my mom. i lost my train of thought here. >> it is official. yet another bush is running for the white house. tonight full analysis of jeb bush's big speech and why he was heckled at his own announcement. and then the hillary clinton campaign has officially launched. >> she is smiling with her mouth but her eyes are saying where is my latte? >> hillary clinton meets the press, defends herself from mitt romney and explains why america needs