after six months in speculation, jeb bush finally announced this morning that he's we were able to congest it down. >> i am going to be president and no one stands a chance. >> there you go. >> all right. it's the top of the hour. welcome to "morning joe." is everyone awake? >> everyone is awake. hillary there, she is not really a smooth talker. >> stop. shelves very good. >> very good? >> definitely effective in communicate doing a crowd. they loved her. i know that. all right. >> what's on the new york post today, will? >> oh, no, no no.

>> it's going to pass. >> oh this is the term they have been using. >> we're not going to show that? >> no. >> it's a terrible seedy triangle that went on. >> she was the president. >> that was an msnbc weekend can't eat lock up. >> two extremely dangerous men. >> two seasons of lock-up. >> that's a whole season. >> i think they can use this as the title. >> we're not going to share the title. >> will you have to man it in 2016. >> all right. >> we killed another leader in al qaeda. yay! amen. >> we are going to get to that. ayman is standing by. >> whatever. go ahead. >> all right. jeb bush has made it official. speaking to a diverse crowd in miami the former florida

governor once again declared himself ready to serve. >> the presidency should not be passed on from one liberal to the next. the question for me is what am i going to do about it? and i've decided i'm a candidate for president of the united states of america. as our whole nation has learned since 2008 executive experience is another term for preparation and there is no substitute for that. we're not going to clean up the mess in washington by electing the people who either helped create it or have proven incapable of fixing it. not one of us deserves the job by right of resume party, seniority, family or family narrative. it's nobody's turn. in any language my message will be an optimistic one because i am certain that we can make the decades just ahead, the greatest time ever to be alive in this

world. >> that chance that hope requires the best that is in us and i will give it my all. i will campaign as i would serve. going everywhere speaking to everyone keeping my word facing the issues without flinching and staying true to what i believe. i will take nothing and no one for granted. i will run with heart and i will run to win! him [ applause ] >> bush addressed the audience in both english and spanish, but while he was introducing his mother former first lady barbara bush immigration reform protesters disrupted the event. bush responded from the stage, criticizing the way president obama sought protections for the undocumented. >> just so that our friends know the next president of the united states will pass meaningful immigration reform so that that will be solved. not by executive order. >> wow!

>> a new monument -- >> what was jeb saying? what do you think of jeb of his launch yesterday? >> i thought it looked very good. >> yeah? >> but so did, i mean yes, i thought it was, i think he went off the cuff on immigration a little bit. i'd like to see more of when he addressed the audience if spanish, which we'll show later. >> yes. >> but it looked good. >> yeah. >> you talked yesterday about his style maybe being a little too laid back. i thought stylistically, he looked god. he filled the room. >> i thought that was the most aggressive he has ever been. >> that's what a lot of people are saying on substance, i think he painted himself as an outsider. he talked about we can't have another senator or a congressman lead this country. people who have been a part of the problem in washington. i have been out here in the real world. i have been out governing estate. then he talks about broadening the party, which i think was

reflected in the crowd he gathered there, which was very diverse and he talked about going where republican presidential candidates have not gone before and where they haven't gone in recent years and we got to go after a vote that we typically lost otherwise this demographic shift is going to cost us another election. >> i can't remember what reporter it was. it was a washington post reporter i think that was down there with that talked about howdy verse the crowd was and was really taken aback by that fact. he said wow, for a republican for a republican announcement, this is afternoon incredibly diverse crowd. in a republican you will find anybody diverse and put those people behind them. with jeb they're always in front and it's it's why the clinton campaign is worried if jeb gets through the primary, then suddenly like i've said all along, new mexico colorado

nevada, arizona, virginia a lot of these states suddenly start looking a lot more like a republican pick-up. >> he can speak to latino voters incredibly, it doesn't come off as artificial. he's had experience working with them in the state of florida. he's married to a woman born in mexico, who speaks fluent. it doesn't mean he'll win that vote. he will probably do better than a lot of candidates. >> the question is does he get out of the republican primary? >> right now, my field, mica is a jumbled mess. >> a monument university poll suggests no talk here forge against the professional 2016 candidates. a mear 8 points separates the candidates from the 1st place and the candidate in 10th place. >> look ben carson in 1st place. >> there is why iowa governor terry brandstead is calling for opening the deba it to all

qualified candidates. instead of the top ten in the national polls. yet, another candidate may join today. real estate tycoon donald trump t. walk post reports trump will release a summary of his financial asset, after a rally today in new york city. >> donald trump, obviously, willie geist a lot of people have said he would not want to get out there and reveal how much money he is worth. >> he just did. >> now he's a billion dollars. which takes us back to one of the best conference of our time donald trump assembled everybody when he was going bankrupt. a reporter asked him, who are you to ask me that question? have you ever been if debt 9 billion? you know nothing about this. i'm an expert on it. he didn't embrace his debt. you know anything can happen in this field. anything can happen. you know, donald has sort of been a punching bag for a long time. he's always said he was going to do it.

then he backed off. like i said about chris christie a couple months ago, you never know when somebody gets into the bigs commits the curve ball. can you say they're a joke. can you say they're soft a aa player. but when they get into the bigs and they throw the curve ball and they hit it over the fence, suddenly that changes everything overnight. people just don't remember how much hoff a joke a total joke ronald reagan was with the national media. say whatever you want to say about whatever candidate, when it's this close, anything can happen. >> yeah and these polls, you have as to remember again, we're 17 months away from election day. it does feel like yesterday with jeb bush getting in hillary clinton with her launch over the weekend it started in earnest. we still have a long way to go. 20% of the voters are undecide. there will be so much shaking out between now and months from now. forget iowa and south carolina.

it could be a very different race. we don't know yet. >> if you are mitt romney and looking at that jumbled mess and. >> oh my god. >> and two monlths from now, three months from now, it's stale jumbled mess don't your friends start calling you up say, hey, you know what you can probably get 15%, that wins you iowa. he'll win new hampshire. >> i know. >> i mean anything is possible. >> do you think that's a real possibility? he'll consider it? >> i think once you run for president of the united states you know the famous quote from people who have run is it's not hard to run for president of the united states, it's hard to stop running for president of the united states. >> right. >> i think for a guy like mitt romney, i don't know anything other than i know he's a driven guy that's succeeded in anything he has done in his entire life. you just got to be sitting there going, god, it's just like if hillary. >> stunning. >> if i get 15%, i win iowa.

and then i'll win new hampshire and then we're off to the race es. it's like if hillary stumbled you den think john kerry would be thinking huh, maybe i can do this? maybe i should have won in 2004. maybe i can win again. there is a long way to go. same with joe bind a long way to go. if we all remember 2007 eight years ago, we were talking about all the polls showing, what? >> rudy and hillary. >> rudy and hillary. west germany talking how unbelievable it was will you have two new yorkers running for president. >> it's fascinating. dompb alleged trump coming in this week we should have a real politics discussion. >> it will be fun. >> hillary clinton continued the public rollout of her campaign yesterday in new hampshire. clinton spent 20 minutes taking questions from reporters on trade. her opponents and what president obama said to her just a few days after the election.

>> i remember him saying to me at that point the economy is so much worse than we were told and he's had to fight every single day to avoid even worse consequence. and i think he doesn't get the credit he deserves for having fought for a recovery that is taking hold. >> clinton also fielded a question about mitt romney's questions yesterday that her wealth will be a liability in the campaign. >> well you know i -- i'm very grateful for the success bill and i have had. we both come from hard working families and we have worked really hard beth of us over the course of our lives and we feel blessed. we feel absolutely grateful for the opportunities that we've had. but i have been saying pretty many up the same things since i was college student. i think that is an issue that is secondary in the minds of people, at at least ones that i talk to and hear from because

what they're interested in is what are you going to do as president? >> i don't think her eyes were saying where's my latte. i think that looked like a good answer. >> i think we have been tough on hillary. i think that was about as perfect a political answer as i've ever heard. i'm serious. i'm dead serious, to that question which could be a tough question. yes, we made a lot of money. we worked hard. >> that's the answer she shoved a long time ago. >> i'm blessed. i'm thankful. then she turns on. boy what drives it home is when she says and i have been talking about the same things since i was a college student and you sit there and go yes, she has. i think that's a powerful answer to that question. >> it's better than the first one and she ought to get out there more because this is what -- everyone thinks we want to nail her to the wall on certain things yeah there are

some certain questions we would love to see answers to. definitely want to ask about the e-mails and other things but then i just want to ask her about these things, we not me but members of the media, reporters that do this for a living. i know they have there sort of thing where they go out and talk to regular people. >> yeah. >> but we are studying you know, her record. we are studying the records of new candidates. programs it might even be argued we might have some questions that are pertinent. she might want to work on answering them because she gets better every time. >> yeah, that she has to get up there. i thought that was pretty good. >> we have been saying that since the beginning, why aren't you putting her out there? what can she do? it goes baaing to the other conversation we had yesterday, can you be as wealthy as the clintons are, can you take money from hedge fund and at the same time condemn wall street and hedge funds and be the champion of working people? i think her argument is of course i can, because i have been that person. >> great. >> you know it's -- yeah.

and also i think her policies actually don't always cut to the rich and the wealthy. maybe she's not as tough on wall street as she should be. >> it seems like she wants to be. i can't wait to talk to her about it. >> when i was running, it was as a republican ten i'd have money. yes, i support a capital gains tax. it won't help me because i'm just trying to, you know, pay my rent. yes, i support cutting the inheritance tax. it won't help me. you know so it's sort of the reverse with hillary. yeah, i got a lot of money. look a what i have been a champion of since i was in high school. actually college. >> let's turn to news overseas breaking news overnight. al qaeda is confirming it's number two leader is dead after a u.s. drone strike in yemen. u.s. officials told nbc news that nas iral wash a hishi was

considered the group's operations manager. he was also in charge of al qaeda and that arabian pens that that terror group's branch based in yemen. meanwhile the pentagon says it believes a weekend airstrike killed an algerian gas plant in 2013. officials say initial assessments show it was targeted but the investigation is still ongoing. >> you know, willie, these things used to happen. and we used to cheer and go yay we win. but somebody always replaces the number three in al qaeda, you wonder you certainly. >> like lack a mole. >> you want to take the bad guys off the battlefield, no doubt about it. but the doesn't carry the same sort of boost that it used to carry. from remember we had the deck of

cards with all the al qaeda lead, often it you get rid of one. everybody would celebrate. now we learned it's a lot more complicated than one guy. let's bring in the chief war correspondent. who was the guy exactly with aqap and how sophisticate a blow is it to them? >> i want to show you a point that joe is making. you are talking about the headline and how important an airstrike this is. if you look at the new york time's page it's actually buried at the bottom of the fold, a small reference. imagine number two of al qaeda would be killed and not getting that much attention. but this guy was an important figure in the overall structure. he's a senior commander who worked and fought and served osama bin laden. so he certainly knew the organization inside out. he ultimately led the al qaeda arabian peninsula group in yemen which was considered by u.s. intelligence officials as the most dangerous if that thorm form. taking him out was definitely tactical and symbolic victory. as joe was saying, as soon as he was taken out, we have heard

from al qaeda in the arabian pens larks they have come out and appointed a new leader an individual who is if not more lethal has been described by some experts and security experts as more aggressive and more dangerous than the individual than the united states has just taken out. so gives you a sense of how dynamic these individuals are and objections in reproducing leadership. >> the fight continues. ayman, thank you very much. willie quickly. >> no no i talked about the new york post. >> mm-hmm. of the daily news dude. >> they did pretty well blow-for-blow, i think maybe it's good. who wins? what do you think, daily news or --? >> they're having a good week both of these. i still like this one. i think it's a nice piece of word play. i don't endorse the term. >> no we don't ens endorse the term none of it. >> still ahead on "morning joe," new hampshire's former governor

john sununuway weighs on his home state and another key battleground state, senator mark warner, virginia joins the conversation. ahead, former students now wageing war in northern iraq. up next nicole wallace, nicholas confessore standing by. >> a tropical storm formed last night. 50-mile-per-hour winds, storms surged the texas coast. minor issues there, but the rainfall was this system could be very problematic. major flooding is guaranteed possibly historic. let me take you to the map. it's a lot more than just texas. we're not only five to six hours away from a landfall just to the south of victoria the rainiest portion of the storm is on the east side and the south side and that will take the circulation and the heavy rain over areas like houston, possibly back all

the way up towards dallas. here's the timing of it. mixed landfall this morning. by about 2:00 p.m. it's on shore. the band of rains extend to louisiana-texas border. bark towards san antonio. we could see as much as eight inches of rain possibly up to a foot localized spot. widespread three to four inches. this is going to cause a lot of flooding in the next couple days. flash flood watches extend to springfield and absolute. over the next seven day, this storm will go to oklahoma, missouri illinois indiana and bring flooding all along this path. we already had horrible flooding in areas like chicago. even today, those thunderstorms near d.c. and philadelphia could cause some problems with severe weather, not related to our tropical storm. so lots to track a. lot of flooding problems over the next week. we wish everyone the best as tropical storm bill makes landfall this morning. we'll leave you the shot of a hot steamy washington, d.c. low 90s today, thunderstorms late this afternoon. you are watching "morning joe." we'll be right back.

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elect 11 e everyone here hear my message. everyone those in a different language. [ speaking spanish ] >> you said he's more passionate. >> i can admit in english, he's a little wonky, in spanish, it's like xavier i think the whole campaign should be conducted in spanish. >> let's do that again. i want to do a split screen. we want to show melvin right here. let's show jeb. >> i know. >> okay. here he is. >> let everyone hear my speech including the many who can express their love of country in a different language.

"speaking spanish. >> really? >> i'm sorry, in spanish, he's hot. in spanish, he goes to the top of the hot bush's list. >> all right. here we go. i didn't know there was a hot bush list. >> a short list. george p. is on the list. yeah. marvin could be humpingy in certain settings. >> wow. >> 41 is the hottest of all. i'd say. right? >> it's the sox. >> you know the other moment of hotness was when he my husband was there. he said in person it was much more dramatic than on television. there was a huge minimum i immigration protest. a dozen people there and i've worked for a lot of politicians, we beat a lot of them up regularly here. but he handled the protest better than i've ever seen anyone do so.

i think that was a great moment. and if you are going to be president, you better get ready for people to get in your face and protest your policies. i think it was nice to see he handles it with confidence and welcomed and opportunity to say, you know when i'm president, i'm going to do something. i'm going to legislate on immigration reform. >> so what i'm seeing is letting people get to know who he is. >> i see something that's important to you. he takes questions every single day from reporters, from anybody. there are no ground rules. there are no questions you can't! you don't have to tell the campaign what you are going to ask. you ask any question you want. every single day of this guy. he's got real policies. it's not like they're asking questions about nothing. >> more than a dozen of the nation's media outlets, the "new york times" the walk journal and walk post are expressing frustration with the clinton campaign after a reporter wasn't allowed to cover an event. >> when an event is too small for the entire press core to attend, they pull coverage from a single designated reporter.

but david morris of the daily mail designated full reporter for print media with hillary clinton in new hampshire says the secret service wouldn't let him go to the first event on monday. >> i think the real reason is between dinner time yesterday when they e-mailed me a confirmation saying you are the reporter and midnight when they changed their mind they looked at our reporting. this happened twice yesterday. i came over from a key note event. she was a speaker at a democrat party. i show up and say i'm the designated poll reporter. i was told you need to leave. >> so a clinton campaign spokesman said the paper did not qualify because it was not a part of the regular pool for the white house. >> so is anyone allowed in. >> the spokesman later told split core we have been working to create an equitable system and have had some concerns expressed by foreign outlets about not being a part of the

rotation. blah blah blah. >> it's not that hard. just let the reporter into the event. the event is going to be her talk and her doing her event. there isn't a huge loss to anybody. >> so does the daily mail have a rep takes of being more conservative outlet? >> you know i think it's a british tabloid and they have a lot of stuff online. i don't have a great sense of what the coverage is. the point is the campaign doesn't get to pick. if you are in the pool the pool decides who covers it. the pool itself is a compliment. >> all those organizations. >> yeah, i mean. >> they locked out? >> the daily mail has such a massive, massive online presence, massive in the united states and across the world. they would probably be the last people i'd want to piss off. >> the whom point of the pool is to send back a very straight report of what happened at this very formal event-- normal event. when you shut out that reporter you are shutting out those events. >> i think the daily mail alex

was telling me also they were the ones that reported that hillary was bussing in people in iowa for her sort of meet the people deal. they also beat the "new york times" to the story we were all talking about a couple of days ago ago. >> we showed hillary clinton answering questions. >> the whole thing is strange to me. she's really talented and they won't let us see it. >> you always get if trouble within have you some people that are too clever by half like i said jeb las to take the program. >> i don't think cease that great at taking questions. i think saying you are flat broke when you have been chauffered for two-and-a-half decades is not great about answering questions. that's not the point. you are running for president.

you want to be leader of the free world. you better be able to field questions from reporters. >> she was asked a question on trade policy, shelves gave an informative experts confused. >> it took her three at-bats, you get more rusty. i think whoever emerges, i hope it's jeb or i think marco is doing a good job taking questions. she is putting herself at a distinct disadvantage by never fine tuning any of these answers that aren't going to get easier. >> it is all about fine tuning. it's like everything the more you do it the better you get. she was horrible at the beginning in 2008 and by the end, wow, she was incredible. trial by fire. no substitute. >> there were reports that they were penned in and western weren't allowed to speak to reporters. is there any voter looking at

the way hillary and the press interacted with each other and caring? >> maybe not understanding, it has an impact over the large course of the campaign. i remember being shocked for the first time the republican was getting better press coverage than a democrat. >> and al gore. >> i heard one story after another story about how the gores sometimes weren't as polite as they should have been, the staff and the press and the other people and there is just a cumulative impact and if they keep the press pinned up you just can't help if you are a reporter and you got a chance to take a jab at somebody on how accessible they are, doing that over the course of the campaign. >> also. are you a hostage of a narrative, it's not good to literally hide from the press. if it semts a narrative about you, worries about you, i think it furthers your problem. >> hillary got out yesterday,

answered questions about two minutes. i said her answer to her wealth issue is as good as one i've seen. >> it was evolved. >> needs to get out. >> another big week for presidential politics here on "morning joe." on thursday donald trump will be here on the heels of his 2016 announcement and on friday presidential candidate martin o'malley joins us for his first national tv interview. hillary clinton jumped into the race. >> it wasn't martin o'malley with the headline of the daily news. we don't hold that up. >> i look forward to that. unbelievable. >> martin? >> we will be in washington. he's coming into the studio. >> yes. >> he's ready to go. >> it will be interesting. >> up next this morning, howard dean, bill crystal on the must-read opinion pages. we'll be right back.

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12k3w4r6r7b89s from the begin, our president and his foreign policy team have been so eager to be the history-makers that they've failed to be the peace makers. [ applause ] >> with their voted in foreign policy the obama-clinton carry team is leading a legacy of prices uncontained, violence unopposed, enemies unnamed. friends undefended and alliances unraveling. >> 35-plus past the hour. joining us for the must read

opinion pages, editor of the weekly standard bill crystal and in burlington vermont, former chairman of the democratic national committee howard dean. good to have you both on board with us i think. >> i think? >> really? >> i think? >> what did howard do to offend you, mica? >> national review republicans need an answer to hillary clinton. >> actually we will do "wall street journal." >> are we? >> and the national review. >> we will start here. so "wall street journal," jeb bush reboots. in 2016 the biggest divide in a gop field isn't between conservatives and moderates. the most important contrast concerns political strategy and pits the dividers against the uniters. mr. bush marco rubio, rand paul and perhaps ohio governor john kasich thinks the gop needs to expand its appeal with a message. jeb bush huck a wee and rick

santorum think it's to polar rise cultural issues but democrats have won the popular vote in five of the last six elections, and demogography is moving their way. conservatives will do better if they seek to expand the gop and make a case for unifying the country. >> bill crystal, what do you think? is jeb the guy? >> could be. i thought he was pretty good yesterday. i thought if you were a republican establishment type and saw bush on saturday and jeb on monday, you know jeb could be better than hillary. >> don't you think it's the united versus the -- >> that's ridiculous. >> is the editorial page set up a strong man? >> they're all friends of mine. we all do it. >> it doesn't sound like it. >> they don't want to discuss social issues. you don't get to them and say, therefore the guys with us on that are going to be better candidates than the others. >> so here's the national review. republicans need an answer to

hillary clinton. just because she's an uninspiring figure doesn't mean she can't win. the calculation clearly underlay hillary clinton's roosevelt island speech over the weekend. she hardly tried to inspire. what she did instead was outline liberal policies and celebrate the rib lal coalition t. theory seems to be those policies are sufficiently popular and that coalition sufficiently enlarged that together they can bring her victory, no matter how meager her political talent or suspect her character to thwart her strategy, republicans need an agenda that defies the caring kature. hillary clinton is betting republicans won't make the case that conservative principles can help americans address their practical challenges. surely someone can prove her wrong. >> bill chris tashlgs howard dean, let's go to you. what's your response? >> can i say one thing? this presumes of course unfairly and maybe untruthfully that hillary clinton will be the nominee. what about the bernie

sanders-howard dean wing of the democratic party t. anti-war populous. >> martin o'malley. >> burn himself, bernie will nick hillary and challenge her as gene mccarthy did in '68. this enthe credible candidate has to get if really with the nomination. >> that's bernie's mantra. howard dean. >> this is howard dean. mr. president. >> i can't say a word. i'm already running. >> it sounds like the national review is saying hillary is not afraid to run as a liberal and conservatives need to run as conservatives? >> i think what hillary is talking about are some things important to people on the right and the left. that is social i mean, economic justice. i think it's even republicans talking about this which is amazing. there is no that evidence care about this in anyway. >> really. thank you for that allen. >> so what i see is true.

i mean it's true. >> we know you care deeply about this issue. >> yes, i do. >> so do other republicans. >> but seriously, you know i think she's making a good case. i think frankly we have gone well beyond the labels of rib rals and conservatives. it is interesting, if you poll i think pugh did two weeks ago, the highest percentage of americans are willing to call themselves liberals that we have seen in two decades. who know what is the answer is. i think the journal is much closer to the truth than their review in this particular case. there is a new demographics so-called obama coalition and if i think if the republicans can't dent it they can't win. >> willie. >> let me ask you about those demographics. it was in the tweet journal piece as well. jeb bush yesterday spoke spanish. he had a very diverse crowd. he is viewed as marco rubio as one candidate who can broaden the party and go where votes have not been previously.

mitt romney 27% of the latino vote. john cain 31%. is all this for jeb bush symbolic the things we saw yesterday or can he go out and capture and get to 40% or whatever republicans need to win the white house? >> i think he can do well. a lot of other candidates can do well who don't on immigration. look. there are many ways to broaden the vote white working class voters. minority voters, asians women, young voters. i think the biggest clang in 2012 2016 can be among young voters. i do not believe if it's marco rubio vs. hillary clinton she will win it. she may win it marginally. nothing like what barak obama won against mitt romney. >> i see such a -- >> you see those exciting 24 hour-year-olds? hillary is it? >> yes, i do. >> we hang out with different 24 hour-year-olds. >>. in the same way, too, you have to have a his sponic candidate to address the hispanics. i think it's a fallacy you have

to have a young candidate to attract young voters. it's all the candidate, the policy and the energy. >> i have never seen younger women more excited about anything than the fact that hillary clinton to be the first president. >> let me make a point about this, if i can. one of the reasons i decided to address her early, she was the only candidate generating enthusiasm. this first global generation wants change. they don't care much about politics. they want change. that's what attracted hillary clinton. hillary clinton is change. that's what they want. >> that is how they see it i promise you. you go out and poll for it. >> we're not talking about whether it is change and we could argue that. but that's what young people see as change. >> it's all perception. >> all right, bill crystal. you know what i'm talking about. >> i know what you are talking about. you got to broaden your aquaintance of young people mica. >> hang out with the diverse.

it's a diverse group of young people. not all think hillary clinton is the kind of change they want. >> okay. we'll see. bill crystal, howard dean thank you very much. up next iraqi officials may complain about a lack of american support against isis but they can't blame our next quest. we'll meet the man who deployed himself to the war zone to train fighters. to take on the terrorist army. keep it right here on "morning joe." sometimes the present looked bright. sometimes romantic. .

>> the ideas is everybody can squeeze isis out of their lands until isis is pushed out of iraq completely. it's a problem that will take

years. there is no real solution any pigs or pundit that gets on tv and says anything like trading kurds is disingenuous or doesn't know what they're talking about. i heard you say many times, there is a solution it's definitely not as simple as training. >> you are absolutely right about it. >> all right, the new pieces are fascinating. absolutely fascinating. matthew van dyke thank you so much. we'll be looking at that. coming up on "morning joe." >> part of the purpose of my brother's keeper is to allow people to interact with these young people. because so often these young men are seen only through the filler of stereotypes. >> president obama gets deeply personal in a new film and challenges facing many american communities. a new look at one of his signature initiatives coming up on "morning joe." >> the conference call. the ultimate

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post eugene robinson nick at the flash? >> physical at the flash. >> i think the country saw a mature leader someone who will contest for the republican nomination seriously. should he be the nominee of the party, i think you saw someone whose message is about expanding the republican party and therefore a party that lost the popular vote. it's an important message for the country to hear. >> what do you say when conservatives say he's not consivbtive enough? >> when jeb bush finished in florida, he was regarded as the most conservative governor in the united states. if he's not conservative enough we have a real problem in the republican party because the party needs to grow. in order for us to win, democrats six out of the last six elections, if you just count those states 242 electoral voechlts you add the states where they've won five out of the last six they go to 1282. >> yeah. >> we need someone who did what he did yesterday when he turns

and he says to the crowd, i want to speak to people who love america as much as i do. and a language that might not be english. we have too many republicans that have talked to latinos, hispanics, they're a criminal class as a posed to civil star recipients, generals veterans of our war, your neighbors, our teachers, you saw him do so effectively. >> we saw it in miami speaking in front of a diverse crowd. take a listen. >> the presidency should not be passed on from one liberal to the next. the question for me is what am i going to do about it? and i've decide i'm a candidate for president of the united states of america. >> from the beginning, our president and his foreign policy team have been so eager to be the history makers that they've failed to be the peace makers. as our whole nation has learned since 2008 executive experience is another term for preparation

and there is no substitute for that. [ applause ] >> we're not going to clean up the mess in washington by electing the people who helped create or have proven incapable of fixing it. in this country of ours the most improbably things can happen as well him take that from a guy who met his first president on the day he was born and his second on the day he was brought home from the hospital. not one of us deserves the job by right of resume, party, seniority, family or family narrative. it's nobody's turn. as a candidate, i intend to elect everyone hear my message, including the many who express their love of country in a different language. [ speaking spanish ]

in any language in any language my message will be an optimistic one because i am certain that we can make the decades just ahead the greatest time ever to be alive in this world. >> that chance that hope requires the best that is in us and i will give it my all. >> okay. so to your point, steve schmidt about appealing to i guess the conservative base. that's part of what these republican candidates have to and a half gates and can they to get to the general. joe, i ask you, when you look at that, just that presentation there, i think of the columns you have written, crazy can't win. you have written about who your dad would choose and why. would your father be turned off by that? would the conservative base will turned off by that? >> i can't speak for the ob conservative blog sphere in wauchlgdz i tell you that's the sort of guy my dad would vote

to. we always go through this process, it's frustrating. you get a thousand candidates out there. most of them have no chance of winning. you can key in on the people the rank and file republicans vote for year in year out. jeb, that person and for me the good news about that is if jeb is the one that ultimately wins this because the establishment candidate has wanted a republican party i think since 1860. we just don't have a lot of shows like the democrats did in 28. that's the best deal conservatives will get from the establishment class. this is a guy who for eight years had one of the most conservative records in america. >> the tip of the sphere on education reform. i think florida passed the second charter school legislation in the country. i think he was, talked about it go ahead. i think part of his task and what he hasn't been able do yet is to remind people how conservative he was at governor.

this is hillary clinton's challenge as well. neither of them has constituents at the moment. i think when he began yesterday is crucial to his prospects, reminding people of his record. reminding people how he won. he lost in '94 the year his brother won good governship of texas. he really became an intellectual force in the conservative movement in the country. he game became a driving force behind the conservative solution for education reform. i know you were out in the streets of new york. you know what that looks like. jeb did it in florida. i think he has been fiscally conservative. so i think he began the work important work of reminding people of that record yesterday. >> steve if you are crafting a message for another republican candidate to go after jeb bush if he's the perceived front runner at the moment. what's your biggest criminal of jeb bush as a republican candidate? >> look the problem that jeb bush is going to have to overcome over the course of this election. you see marco rubio keying in now, he talks about yesterday is

over. he's the candidate of tomorrow t. candidate of change. >> that we're not going to carry into this next election any of the baggage of the past. we will fought be tied down to past debates, to past arguments. jeb bush is going to have to position himself as that candidate of the future but i think importantly yesterday you saw him using a number of the republican candidates trying to occupy the middle of the elect terror bernie sanders will do to hillary clinton what pat but cannon did to george bush 41 in 1988 up in that state. the democratic party is moving left. it is a great opportunity for republicans to occupy the center. >> that may flower moving van is hauling them off to the left. >> first lady barbara bush immigration pro form protesters

they criticized the way president obama sought protections for the undo you mean gld just so that our friends know the next president of the united states will pass meaningful immigration reform so that that will be solved not by executive order. >> a long script there. >> yeah. he did. gene robinson what's your take on jeb's launch and everything you have been hearing? >> well he's a formidable candidate. i agree with much of what i have been hearing. jeb bush absolutely was a very conservative governor. i think we should ask whether he is too conservative for the american electorate. we will find that out. he took some very right positions in the directional sense not right in terms of right and wrong as far as i'm concerned. but that's one question. the other question is the obviously last name question of which steve alluded to which is

being a future versus past. he will have a lot of questions about his brother's tenure his father's tenure. he will have to answer those better than before up to now. he didn't do very well his first foray into that. but look if i had to you know pick somebody put $5 on somebody to win the nomination right now, i might put my $5 on jeb bush. i thought it was a very good launch and he looks more sort of like a mature adult than a lot of the other candidates who are in the race. i think he may have some staying power. >> a better way of putting it. >> steve. >> look. we talk about the bush name being a liability inside the republican primary. i'd like to make two points. first, george herbert walker bush, president bush 41 the arguably the greatest living american in this country alive today and secondly problem is

more popular than president obama is and i think if you look at the comportment since they left office this notion that a bush is a liability and a bush versus clinton race i profoundly disagree with certainly inside the republican elect terrororate the bush is one admired. it's distinct of positioning yourself the candidate of the future. all candidates have assets and liabilities. one of the assets is that name ties you to debates of the past t. name itself, is not a liability. the name is an asset and one that's widely admired, not just by republicans but by a lot of americans. >> hillary clinton continues the public ruleout of her campaign in new hampshire. she spent 20 minutes taking questions from reporters on trade. her opponents and what president obama said to her just a few days after the election in 28. in 2008. >> i remember him saying to me at that point, the economy is so much worse tan we were told and

he's had to fight every single day to avoid even worse consequence and i think he doesn't get the credit he deserves for having fought for a recovery that is taking hold. >> that's fair. clinton also fielded a question about mitt romney's questions yesterday that her wealth will be a liable in the campaign. >> well, you know i am very grateful for the success that bill and i have had. we both come from hard working families and we have worked really hard both of us over the course of our lives and we feel blessed. we are feel absolutely grateful for the opportunities that we've had. but i have been saying pretty many up the same things since i was a college student. i think that is an issue that is secondary in the minds of people, at least the ones that i have talked to and hear from, because what they're interested is in what are you going to do

as president? >> nicole. >> listen yeah i like if way she answered the question. she certainly had an entire presidential cycle where you watched mitt romney struggle with the question. you go back to jfk, i don't think people hold success against you. i think it was a good answer. the problem for her, i just finished reading clinton cash is not money that they have that they live off of it's the foundation did. her problems are the narrative about this out of touch existence she's had for two-and-a-half decades when she said she hadn't driven a car since the '90s t. perception i saw, president clinton with jay capro over the weekend talking about what foreign leaders thought they were getting when they made a donation. there are so many questions about their ethics. a lot of them are basing the case for the clintons. they by and large forgive them. there is not a narrative she will get away from with one smooth answer. >> the democrats, certainly people in the democratic party don't care. you look at at the poll numbers,

she is doing just fine. >> i think she is doing fine in her campaign. i think she had a good launch. her speech was not in launching the campaign probably not the greatest speech i've ever heard. it was a bit like somebody said it was kind of like a state of the union address with a lot of policy and that sort of laundry list of things. but, it did the job. you know she seems very well positioned to me. i don't think, obviously, bernie sanders is going too seriously challenge her with a nomination. i think she's enough from being pulled too far to the left to so that she's out of position for the general election. i don't think she will allow that to happen. >> nick, it seems to me the press and voters will have to make up their mind about her

being rich matters. because they decided it did matter with mitt romney. he couldn't relate. he had a top hat, a mon cal. he couldn't possibly understand the problems of regular americans. will it matter this time for hillary clinton? >> i think what matters is policy position and methods. the problems mitt romney was how he made his money on the record he had a business. how democrats were able turn that into a liability and their problems for her on her money is how she made it. the only proper answer to the question about her wealth is i'm very blessed and i'm lucky. when you make a lot of money giving speeches for the living that is the only answer. if she request keep giving that answer, it's probably the best way to diffuse concerns about her personal westle elwellth. >> the obama campaign said we will legitimize this guy. they did it. they told john highland we knew we had to destroy him in march and april and get that baked

into the cake. should the clintons expect the same thing from the republicans? >> will the clintons release the foundation's tax records? >> no. >> will they release their personal taxes? >> no. >> i think it's difficult to hold to them into the no position given in 2012 with the romney campaign. so i think these questions about legitimacy, how they made the money, where the money came from. the $100 million plus dollars coming after their public service was ended. how much of that is flowing from foreign governments into the foundation? what are the private sector transactions that take place behind that. if you don'tly the that's going to matter to voters in states where this race is going to be contested, i would disagree. and i don't mean you, joe. >> no, no no i'm saying you will disagree with me. they don't think it will matter. translator the clintons. it doesn't matter. you remember that "snl" thing after impeachment was over and darryl hammond played him, he said, i'm untouchable. i will go out --

>> that was him, though. that was him. watching the way you guys reacted, there are e-mail answers, i thought people's heads were going to explode in newsrooms coast to coast. she does not have the latitude he does. >> jane our last name is clinton. speaking of baking the cake people believe if the clinton's get attacked even if it's legitimate, they can go to the fork times and walk poverty and a lot of swing voters go ah why don't they leave the clintons alone? >> how many times have clattering classes decided the clintons are finished in the clintons are finished? the clintons have not been finished. i think the clintons are never finished. yes, it will be a bumpy ride. yes, seal have to answer these questions. basically, i agree with joe. i don't think this is going to be a huge issue for voters. >> no, it's not. i mean just really quickly,

gene, describe an e-mail server. is that a legitimate question to you? >> absolutely. >> if it has a bad answer are you going to get it. >>. and i've heard you at times and very well known reporter come on this set just recently while we were having this conversation who i brought up these issues and he said well, you know she's going to get scuffed up. that's not scuffing up. that's a real question. it's not scuffing up. scuffing up is talking about her cleavage or her hair or something completely stupid that she is being ridiculous or held accountable for because she's a woman. that's scuffing her up. asking legitimate questions is asking legitimate questions. people just don't care and even well known established main stream reporters call that scuffing her up. it happened on our show on friday. find it. >> established main stream reporters are writing these

stories. our newspaper and the "new york times" and other papers and other media outlets are carrying these stories. so you know you can't argue that the information isn't out there for voters to make up their minds. >> but it's perceived as something, it's perceived as something. >> personal. >> as something not important. it's perceived as ah she's going to get beat up along the way. she gets scuffed up. but there is no real -- >> one of these stories is not to scuff anybody up. it's to report what matters. it's to report important issues about her record or conduct or foundation. it's all a fair game. it's not scuffing up. >> i would say we live in a time where trust has collapsed nearly every institution in the country. a time of low economic growth for average americans and a time where the world is in chaos, much of it architected by this administration. and so all of these issues as a

one off are not going to disable her candidacy. the question is is the country ready to sign up for eight more years of melrose place. >> eight more years of ceaseless drama? when evan thomas talks about -- there they did it pretty well. >> melrose place 2 right? as good as the original? >> a 60% less approval rating from the kardashians. >> the first was irresistible. programs not in the second. >> i love hillary. you are right, thank you so much. steve, thank you as well. greatly appreciate it. >> up next -- >> all those fights commentary. >> up next a prison supervisors accused of facing inmates faces a judge, the da says she may not have been the only accomplice. we'll have the latest on the manhunt. you are watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. . is there such a thing as a sure

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>> joyce mitchell the woman that helped two convicted murders break out after a maximum security prison pleaded not guilty. law enforcement sources say police are now investigating allegations that mitchell may have wanted the two prisoners to kill her husband, also an employee at the clinton correctional facility upon tear escape. no comment on that part of the story from the da who says mitchell told her husband about some of the plan. here's nbc's miguel almaguer with more. >> reporter: shackled in a bulletproof vest and a jailhouse jump suit joyce mitchell looked frazzled as she faced the judge. >> i have gone over the charges with miss mitchell. >> reporter: a tailor shop supervisors accused of smuggling hack saw blades and chris els to help prisoners sweat and matt escape. >> joyce talked to him about her involvement during the last few days before she was arrested. >> mitchell's new attorney assigned to the case says only she's pled not guilty. what has she told you?

>> i can't get into that. >> multiple sources tell nbc news mitchell was investigated for a sexual relationship with sweat. then he was matt who later charmed her. we now know sweat and matt used multiple markings or directions to navigate the complex pipe system before their escape. mitchell was to be their get away driver says the da but got cold feet and never showed. >> they absolutely were using her. there is no question about it. >> reporter: t.da says mitchell planned to start a new life with the convicts saying they would drive seven hours towards the woods to an unknown location. >> if there is a plan b or a plan c and someone else picked them up they could have gone anywhere. >> reporter: now the da says mitchell may not have been the only one involved. >> i think it's entirely possible they had the assistance of somebody else or they had the assistance of you know another individual that was cooperating with them even while joyce mitchell was.

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this weekend was mitt romfully's annual e-2 -- -- romney's e-2 summit, it's r it was like skeet shooting with lindsey graham. it sounds a lot like summer camp. i guess that's why some of the candidates were writing letters home. rand palm said we were signature around the camp fire when john mccain stepped out of the woods. i almost crapped my pants. rick santorum wrote, i was so hot last night i almost took off my sweater vest. but i didn't. bobby jindal said i haven't slept much because i got bottom bunk.

chris christie got top bunk. it feels like this could be it. >> the president and ceo walter isaacson. >> walter. >> walter what are you looking at today? what's your story of the day today? >> i this i the trade deal it may not be it's going to be brought back and they're going to have to pass it. they're going to have to physical out how to get there. >> you say they're going to have to pass it. you think the democrats were sort of flexing their muscles at first in. >> i think they got responsible as sometimes happens with people in congress. but i tell you what they have to physical out what the deal is make it more public and do it. i think hillary clinton keeps saying well, when we see the deal, maybe. she has to come out in favor of. >> how much of that is a concern to the business community, hillary clinton, nancy pelosi? everybody that leads the democratic party other than say barak obama on a national level are opposed to this trade deal? >> it's not just the business

community. yeah if you want to give a gift to china right now, say, why don't you take over all of trade in the pacific region. >> if you don't want to be a player on the world stage, you do that. i think it's a national security issue. i'm not somebody that thinks a straight deal the a be all, i'm not some fanatic free trade ideologue. i think this makes sense in the world today if we're going to be of a balance of power that's economic. it's not a military balance of power with china. secondly, if we're going to be an exporting nation we're exporting goods and services. >> it's a massive win for carolina? >> yeah it's a huge one shell was breathing to people in congress a couple days ago, a great china expert which is mainly about china. somebody said best thing ever to happen to china. you know it's not, we're not in a cold war with china yet. it's not like we want to hurt china. we do want to be competitive with china. we don't want to see pacific

trade to china. you go to vietnam, for example, that's a country that you know we had a war with and suddenly they are our bullwar against chinese expansionism and as a great trade partner for us. >> i want to bring gene into this conversation. just shifting a little bit here two weeks remaining before a deadline with a nuclear deal with iran the chairman of the foreign relations committee is urging the white house to strain the agreement or walk away. republican senator bob corker is making a plea in a scathing letter to president obama. he said he is alarmed, the administration is reportedly considering additional concessions, including no longer allowing iran without restriction, corker said in part quote this it is breath taking to see how far from your original goals and statements the p5 plus one have come during negotiations with iran walking away from a bad deal at this

point would take courage, but it would be the best thing for the united states, the region and the world. >> and mike barnacle that doesn't come from a fire breather. >> that comes from a guy stuck in there to sign that letter 47 republicans -- and he's seen it a bipartisan leader in the senate. >> they might walk away from the deal temperature. united states might well walk away from the deal. it's not set in stone that there is going to be a deal. i think secretary kerry is going back next week he's going to washington today. he's going book to resume negotiations final negotiations nerkt week. it's not all of the realm of possibly when push comes to shove, no we can't do the deal. >> gene what do you think? >> i actually think corker's statements were fairly useful in the negotiation. i think it's useful for them to negotiate to have congress pushing for a tougher deal and so they can point and say, look you know if we don't agree with stuff, we're never going to get

it through. so let's see what happens. on both this and on the free trade deal we need some details. we need to see what we're talking about before we say yay or na y and so let's see what they come up with. >> walter. i want to get you from on a different topic on the 2016 race. we had a busy couple of days hillary clinton. her launch or relaunch whatever dynasty weekend, your term on saturday and jeb bush yesterday. what did you make of both rollouts? >> i thought jeb burks i thought they both gave speeches they needed to give. one of the problems that secretary clinton has faced is you don't quite know why is she doing the right? she hadn't given this i believe speech. it wasn't fully yet. it seems like it's serious speech was. as for jeb bush i'm one of those people that think his slightly faulty ruleout over the past four or five months was great for him. had he come in as the anointed had he come in as the inevitable. it would have felt kind of bad. as a normal guy getting into the

scrum fighting i think that he stood firm on the really cool important principle. whether it's education reform core standards, immigration, he did a great thing on the immigration speech when the heckler hit. i just thought, whoa you know to talk about the legacy name now you guys have somebody who should run the country is the question. >> you are not bothered by the last name? >> not in the least. steve said it earlier. i think h.w is one of the great presidents we've had in my lifetime. >> i was there. i was there. >> but i think that the last thing, but you do have to make it about tomorrow. you know you have to. >>en s isn't it amazing, you just said george h.w. bush is one of the best predecessors of your lifetime. you can almost see, there aren't usually parallels that overlay as much but george h.w. bush

and harry truman overlay each other. harry truman, a guy who left office in disgrace and not disgrace deeply unpopular, approval ratings in the 20s. you look at what he did to start the cold war. >> yes. >> what he had to do it t. marshall plan probably one of the great u.s. -- >> the cool thing is when marshall comes in says we're going to do this and somebody says to him, we have to name a marshall plan not the truman plan to get it through. >> you have to know the truman doctrine there are so many things he did. >> in combination with george h.w. when the soviet union is finally contained and collapseled. he doesn't spike the ball. he is also able to do a coalition with the first gulf war and do something that caused him to go down in the polls and be not who some republicans which is make a compromise when it came to the budget.

all of which are good things. >> le stopped on the road to baghdad. >> exactly. he knew a balance of power between iran and iraq is one of the most important things in that region. when we went into iraq and destroyed that balance of power without destroying the promise. >> he made a promise. he said we're not here to take over iraq. we're going to liberate kuwait and come home and he had the dismr. into do exactly what he said he would do. >> walter, stay with us. up next the new dounltry that looks at an issue so personal it will remain a mission for him the rest of his life t. film maker joins us next. stay with us. we'll be right back.

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been shunned to the side. part of the purpose of my brother's keeper is to allow people to interact with these young people because so often these young men are seen only through the filter of stereotypes. i want every young man who sees me to know that i'm not that different from them. i wasn't born into wealth. i wasn't born into fame. i made a lot of mistakes, but i kept at it every child deserves the same chances that i had and to be resilient and to overcome obstacles and achieve their dreams. >> i love this that was a look at the discovery channel documentary "rise" the promise of my brother's keeper. joining us now, the film's direct ore, don porter. dawn, great to have you on this show. >> thank you. >> valerie has shared so many amazing stories about these kids coming to the white house and president obama literally taking them under his wing and changing so many lives. there is a like thing he wants to create here.

first of all, tell us about the film. >> thank you first of all for having me yesterday, we were at the white house with some of those kids where the president has the kids he is mentoring the people in his executive office are mentoring, so the film is really an examination of some of the programs that are in the my brother's keeper program. so much of the news we hear about young men of color is negative. this film highlightssome of the great work that's happening all across the country, really supporting young men and boys. we were really honored the president sat for an interview with this. which demonstrates his commitment not only to the program but to the young people of this country. >> they've inspired the my brother's keepers alliance which is an outside group i had the pleasure of being involved with. which is trying to keep that legacy alive. i do think that will be something, that will be ongoing for the next generation of two, the notion of cradle to korea, we got to make sure mentorships,

after school programs they can have an equal opportunity. >> that comes through in your film. >> that's exactly the point of this initiative. i think the president has kind of lit the fuse started his challenged, companies, corporations educators. everyone has answered the call. so it's really interesting to see what happens when someone just focuses attention on what can be done and, you know in this age when we hear so much negative, it's so great to see all of this positive work happening. i think we could all use like positive news. this is positive news. >> and focus on boys. there is always a lot of focus on girls for good reason these boys are a huge part of the equation. >> they are doing the women of gold initiative, too. >> of course. >> dawn what would be a typical case, what kind of boy are we looking at what kind of help and services would he get? >> we have profiled four different programs, two schools in chicago. englewood neighborhood in

chicago, plaguing some of the greatest violence our country has seen. we featured the urban prep academy. 100% of those kids chosen by lottery. this is not a situation where you are plucking the best and the bright effort. this is chosen by lottery, low income boys i think all african-americans on the south side of chicago, 100% are going to four year colleges and universities. really inspirational, fantastic. and the confident that they have. they have the ceremony, they call it onto the next. where they put on their ties when they get accepted the college t. kids come out like they're in the nba. but they're in the success that they've gotten is academic. that's what they're celebrating. so that's the kind of program we feature in this film. >> gene robinson. >> one question, i think a lot of people are going to watch this say how can i get involved? so what would you sa i to them?

how can people participate and help in the my brother's keeper initiative? >> it's really easy. the white house has an initiative, white house.gov. you can go and sign up. what it involves is each community makes a pledge. the president has a task force and there are several steps that you take to say, yes,ly support young people. these are the programs that i have and we will be accountable. you know the president spoke yesterday to the young people about not only the adults being accountable, but also the children being accountable. so he is now challenging them to mentor and a number of the young men who are in his program yesterday mentioned that they are already mentoring 3rd and 4th graders and i love that because it's saying you are not just a case to be a problem to be solved. are you capable. you are smart. you are intelligent. you have something to give and you see the confidence that gets these young men. it's really thrilling to see his interaxe with the young people

and to sit with the leader of the free world for 15 uninterrupted minutes. >> not bad. "rise, the promise of my brother's keeper" airs sunday on the discovery channel. dawn porter. thank you very much. still ahead, breaking news overnight. in california. at least five people are dead after a balcony collapses. we'll have the latest on the active investigative scene. plus how history could have been very different if ross perrot didn't run for president in 1992. george h.w. bush's former chief of staff john sununu joins "morning joe" next.

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may not be the most eloquent, but i learned early on that eloquence won't drill oil from the ground and i may sometimes be a little awkward, but there's nothing self-conscious in my love of country. and i'm a quiet man -- [ cheers and applause ] i'm a quiet man, but i hear the quiet people others don't. the ones who raise the family pay the taxes, meet the mortgage, and i hear them and i am moved. and their concerns are mine. >> that was george h.w. bush accepting the republican party's

nomination for president back in 1988. his presidency is the subject of a new book titled "the quiet man, the indispensable presidency of george h.w. bush." joining us now is his former chief of staff, john sununu. >> thank you for having me. >> that really brings you back to watch that speech. it was remarkable. >> really does. the quiet man. i know john is working on something called the last gentleman. these are the sort of characteristics, we don't see in politics anymore. it's almost like it was a bridge to a bygone era. >> you know first of all, the point i'm trying to make i think, is what i would like people to realize what happened at that time. there was a huge amount of accomplishments in the single four-year term. not only on foreign policy but on domestic policy. he passed more domestic

legislation, significant legislation, since any president from lyndon johnson and roosevelt. >> give us examples? >> the clean air act. the energy deregulation bill the crime bill the form reform bill the 1994 budget child care all these things were domestic policies that george bush put into place. >> and of course his foreign policy extraordinary. >> extraordinary time. >> something that jeb goes back to germany this week and they thank him for being the one who fought for unified germany. >> it's amazing what he was able to do. in an odd way, george bush made it look all too easy. people forget how critical it was to get it right. if you remember when the berlin wall came down the press criticized them for not jumping up and down. but he understand if gorbachev

had an opportunity to do more, he couldn't embarrass him about the soviet union. >> you make a case for him that's very sweeping in terms of what he accomplished in the four years and you say people kind of forget now. why was he not appreciated in his time to get reelelthed? what's your theory of that case? >> i talk about it as the churchill effect. he leads the united kingdom, the british, through world war ii. before the end of the war, they have an election. they decide to turn their interests to domestic policies and churchill is voted out. same thing happened to margaret thatcher dumped by her party. there's a psychological situation that's real. ross perot comes around. that contributes to it. and the interesting historic fact is no party has held the white house since eisenhower, no party has held the white house for more than eight years except once. that was the bush

administration. in a sense, the pendulum was ready to swing the other way. >> is jeb going to be the third president from the family? >> it's going to be a long tough primary process. there's a lot of good people running. and i think in a sense it's a good time for the process to be deciders rather than endorsers. >> you're a great student of the bush family and a friend of the family for long time. do you think jeb is more like his brother or his father? >> yes. >> fabulous and unsatisfying. >> all right. the book is a quiet man, the indispensable presidency of george h.w. bush. we'll be back with more "morning joe" in just a minute.

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that's right. hillary clinton officially kicked aufd her campaign this weekend. we obviously can't show you the whole thing, but we were able to condense it down so you still get the gist. >> i'm going to be president and no one else stands a chance. >> there you go. >> all right, the top of the hour. welcome to "morning joe." is everyone awake? >> every is awake. hillary, not smooth talker. >> stop. she was very good. >> very good? >> definitely effective in being able to communicate to a crowd. they loved her and you know it. >> what's on the "new york post" today, willie? >> it's kind of bad. >> day 11. >> the term they've been using. >> day 11. >> we're not going to show it. >> not going to show it 234. >> i don't think so. >> wow.

>> terrible seedy triangle went on. >> she was with both prisoners. >> stop. >> you know what. >> an msnbc weekend -- >> terrible tragedy. >> what is that thing? >> lockup? >> two extremely dangerous men. >> that's a whole season. >> i think they should use this as the title. >> okay but we're not going to show the title. >> go buy the "new york post." >> we killed another leader in al qaeda. wait that never seems to matter, does it? but i'm glad whatever. all right, go ahead. >> jeb bush has made it official, speaking to a diverse crowd in miami, the former florida governor once again declared himself ready to serve. >> the presidency should not be passed on from one liberal to the next. the question for me is what am i going to do about it?

and i decided, i'm a candidate for president of the united states of america. as our whole nation has learned since 2008 executive experience is another term for preparation, and there is no substitute for that. we're not going to clean up the mess in washington by electing the people who either helped create it or have proven incapable of fixing it. not one of us deserves the job by right of resume party, seniority, family or family narrative. it's nobody's turn. and in any language my message will be an optimistic one because i am certain that we can make the decades just ahead the greatest time ever to be alive in this world. that chance that hope requires the best that is in us. i will give it my all. i will campaign as i would serve, going everywhere

speaking to everyone keeping my word facing the issues without flinching, and staying true to what i believe. i will take nothing and no one for granted. i will run with heart, and i will run to win. >> bush addressed the audience in both english and spanish, but while he was introducing his mother former first lady barbara bush immigration protesters disrupted the event. bush interrupted from the stage, criticizing obama. >> just so our friends know the next president of the united states will pass meaningful immigration reform so that will be solved. not by executive order. >> wow. >> a new poll -- >> what do you think? what do you think of jeb, of his launch yesterday? >> thought it looked very good. >> yeah? >> yes, i thought it was -- um

i think he went off the cuff on immigration a little bit. can would league to see more of when he addressed the audience in spanish, which we'll show later. >> yeah. >> but it looked good. >> yeah. >> you talked yesterday about his style maybe being a little too laid back. stylistically stylistically, lots of inenergy. >> i think that's the most aggressive i have ever seen him. >> i heard someone else say that, too, who has been following him a long time. and then on substance, i think he painted himself as an outsider. he talked about, we can't have another senator or a congressman lead this country. people who have been part of the problem in washington. i have been out here in the real world, out governing a state. and then he talked about braupdenning the party, which i think was reflected in the crowd he gathered there, which was very diverse, and he talked about going where republican presidential candidates have not gone before and where they haven't gone in recent years. and we've got to go after votes

that we typically lost otherwise the demographic shift is going to cost us another election. >> i can't remember what reporter it was, a "washington post" reporter that was down there that talked about how diverse the crowd was and was really taken aback by that fact. he said wow, for a republican announcement, this is incredibly diverse crowd. a lot of times, you'll see republicans find anybody diverse and put those people behind them. with jeb, they're always in front. and it's why the clinton campaign is worried that if jeb gets through the primary, then suddenly, like i said all along, new mexico colorado nevada arizona, virginia. a lot of these states suddenly start looking a lot more like a republican pickup. >> he can speak to latino voters

credibly. it doesn't come off as artificial. he's had experience working with them in the state of florida. he's married to a woman born in mexico. he speaks fluent spanish. it means he'll probably do better than a lot of other candidates. >> does he get out of the republican primary? right now, that field, mika is a jumbled mess. >> that's what i was about to say. a new poll suggests no top tier forming among the potential 2016 candidates. a mere eight points separates the candidates in first place from the candidate in tenth place. >> ben carson in first place. >> what? this is why iowa governor terry branstad has now joined other prominent republicans in calling for opening the debates to all qualified candidates instead of the top ten in the national polls. yet another candidate may join the race today. real estate tycoon donald trump. the "washington post" reports

trump will release a summary of his assets after a rally today in new york city. >> donald trump, obviously, willie geist a lot of people said he would not want to get out because he won't want to reveal how much money he's with. >> he just did. >> $9 billion, which takes me back to again one of the great press conferences of our time where donald trump assembled everybody when he was going bankrupt supposedly and a reporter asks him a question and he said who are you to ask me that question? have you ever been in debt $9 billion? i'm an expert on it. he embraced his debt. you know anything can happen. anything can happen. you know donald has sort of big a punching bag for a long time because he's always said he was going to do it then he backed off. just like i said about chris christie a couple months ago. you never know if somebody when they get into the bigs can hit the curveball or not. you can say they suck you can say they're a joke you can say they're a double-a player but

when they get into the bigs and though throw the curveball and hit it over the fence, that changes everything overnight. people just don't remember how much of a joke a total joke ronald reagan was. with the national media. say whatever you want to say about whatever candidate. when it's this close, anything can happen. >> these polls, we have to remember again we're 17 months away from election day. it feels like yesterday with jeb bush getting in hillary clinton with her official launch over the weekend, but it's started in earnest, but we have a long way to go and 20% of the voters are still undecided. there's going to be a lot shaking out, forget iowa and south carolina. >> if you're mitt romney and you look at that jumbled mess and two months from now, three months from now, it's still a

jumbled mess don't your friends start calling you up saying, you can probably get 15%. that wins you iowa. he'll win new hampshire. >> i know. >> anything is possible. >> do you think that's a real possibility? would he consider it? >> i think once you run for president of the united states the famous quote from people who have run is it's not hard to run for president of the united states. it's hard to stop running. for president of the united states. and i think for a guy like mitt romney, i don't know anything other than i know he's a driven guy that's exceeded in everything he's done in his entire life. and you just have to be sitting there going, gosh you know it's like figure hillary -- >> timing. >> if i get 15%, i win iowa. then i win new hampshire, and maybe we're off to the races. like if hillary stumbled you don't think john kerry would be thinking, huh, maybe i can do this.

i should have won in 2004. maybe i can win again. there's a long way to go. and same with joe biden, a long way to go. if we all remember 2007 eight years ago, we were talking about all the polls showing what? >> rudy and hillary. >> rudy and hillary, and we were talking about how unbelievable was that you were going to have two new yorkers running for president. anything can happen. >> it's fascinating. donald trump coming in this week, we should have a real policy discussion and see what happens. >> hillary clinton continues the public rollout of her campaign yesterday in new hampshire. she spent 20 minutes taking questions from reporters on trade, her opponents and what obama said to her. >> i remember him saying to me at that point, the economy is so much worse than we were told. and he's had to fight every single day to avoid even worse

consequences. and i think he doesn't get the credit he deserves for having fought for a recovery that is taking hold. >> clinton also fielded a question about mitt romney's comments yesterday that her wealth will be a liability in the campaign. >> well you know i am very grateful for the success that bill and i have had. we both come from hard working families and we have worked really hard both of us over the course of our lives. and we feel blessed. we feel absolutely grateful for the opportunities that we've had. but i've been saying pretty much the same things since i was a college student. i think that is an issue that is secondary in the minds of people, at least the ones that i talk to and hear from because what they're interested in is what are you going to do as president? >> i don't think her eyes were saying where's my latte? i didn't see that. that looked like a good answer.

>> i think, and we have been tough on hillary, that was about as perfect a political answer as i have ever heard. i'm serious. i'm dead serious. to that question which could be a tough question she said yes, we made a lot of money. we worked hard. >> that's the answer she should have had a long time ago. >> we're blessed. >> totally blessed. >> i'm thankful. then she turns on and what drives it home is when she says and i've been talking about the same things since i was a college student. and you sit there and you go yeah, she has. i think that's a powerful answer to that question. >> better than the first one. and she ought to get out there more, because this is what you know, everyone thinks we want to, you know nail her to the wall and certain things. there's certainly questions we would love to see answers to want to ask about the e-mails and other things. i want to ask her about these things. we, not me but members of the

media, reporters who do this for a living they have this thing where they go out and talk to regular people but we are studying, you know her record. we're studying the records of other candidates and perhaps it might even be argued we might have questions that are pertinent, and she might want to work on answering them because she gets better every time. >> yeah. she's got to get up there. i thought it was good. >> we have been saying that since the beginning. why aren't you putting her out there? it goes back to the conversation we had yesterday. can you be as wealthy as a clintons are, take money from wall street and hedge funds, and at the same time condemn wall street and hedge funds and be a champion of the working people. her answer is of course i can because i have been that person. >> yeah and also i think her policies actually don't always cut to the rich and wealthy. maybe she's not as tough on wall street as she should be. >> seems like she wants to be. i can't wait to talk to her more

about it or hear her talk to someone else. >> when i was running, it was easier for me as a republican to not have money and say, yes, i supported cutting the capital gains tax. it won't help me. yes, i support culttting the inheritance tax. it won't help me. it's sort of the reverse with hillary. yeah i've got a lot of money, but look what i've been a champion of. >> he's backing hillary clinton for president while offering friendly advice. why mark warner says you don't win states like virginia by appealing to the middle. up next we'll look at what hillary clinton's campaign did that has more than a dozen media outlets upset and speaking out. first, bill karins with a check on the forecast. >> good thing this storm is coming onshore, because hurricane hunter aircraft just flew into it found it stronger. winds up to 60 miles per hour. that's only about 16 miles per hour lower than hurricane status.

this will be moving onshore shortly between corpus christi and the calgalveston area. in elcampo, that area looks to get the heaviest rain. rain shield is huge. notice the west side is dry. typical, and we're going to watch a ton of rain on the eastern portion of the storm that will include the houston area back up toward dallas. here's the timing. as we go through 2:00 p.m. today, storm will be onshore, heavy bands of rain houston to victoria, san antonio is on the dry side austin does look to get wet from this. then we're going to track the storm this evening over texas and early tomorrow morning, very near the dallas-ft. worth area. tomorrow morning's rush hour torrential rain and a lot of water on the roads in dallas and ft. worth, and the rainfall totals have the chance to be epic. this, of course, is an estimate from our computers, but it shows the possibility down here of 14 inches of rain. can you imagine the flooding

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as a candidate, i intend to let everyone hear my message, including the many who can express their love of country in a different language. [ speaking spanish ] >> look at her. she melted.

>> listen i can admit -- >> you said he's more passionate in spanish. >> in english, he's a little wonky, but in spanish, it's like javier bardem is speaking to me. i'm in love. the whole campaign should be conducted in spanish. >> i want to do a split screen. we want to see her melting. >> okay. okay. here he is. >> i intend to let everyone hear my message, including the many who can express their love of country in another language. >> really? it's good. >> i'm sorry, in spanish, he's hot. in spanish, he goes right to the top of the hot bushes list. >> here we go. i didn't know there was a hot bushes list. >> it's a short list but he's at the top of it. >> the only one. >> george p. is on the list. marvin can be hunky in certain

settings. 41 is the hottest of all, let me say. right? >> it's the socks. >> you know the other moment of hotness was when he -- my husband was there, so he said in person, it was much more dramatic than on television but there's a huge immigration protest, a dozen people there, and i worked for a lot of politicians. we beat a lot of them up regularly here but he handled the protest better than i have ever seen anyone do so. i think that was, yeah that was a great moment. if you're going to be president, you better get ready for people to get ipyour face and protest your policies. it was nice to see he handles it with confidence and he welcomed an opportunity to say, when i'm president, i'm going to do something, i'm going to legislate on immigration reform. >> what i'm seeing is someone letting people get to know who he is. >> i know something that's really important to you. he takes questions every single

day from reporters, from anybody. there are no ground rules, no questions you can't ask. you don't have to tell the campaign what you're going to ask. you ask any question you want. he's got real policies. >> more than a dozen of the nation's biggest meet yeah outlets including the "new york times," the wall street journal and washington post are expressing frustration with the clinton campaign after a reporter wasn't allowed to cover an event. when an event is too small for the entire press corps to attend, they pool coverage but one man who was designated pool reporter for print media with hillary clinton in new hampshire said the secret service wouldn't let him go to the first pooled event on monday. >> the real reason is between dinner time when they e-mailed me a confirmation saying you're the pool reporter here's where to go, and midnight they looked at our reporter. this happened twice today, by the way.

i came from an evening event where she was the key note speaker at a flag day dinner. i showed up and said i'm the designated pool reporter and i was told you need to leave. >> clinton campaign spokesman first told the reporter the paper didn't qualify because it wasn't part of the regular print pool. they also said we have been working to create an equitable system and have concerned expressed about not being part of the rotation blah blah. >> it's not that hard. just let the reporter in to the event. the event is going tobe her talking and doing her event. there isn't a huge loss to anybody. >> does the daily mail have a reputation of being a more conservative outlet? >> you know i think it's a british tabloid, and they do a lot of stuff online. i don't have a great sense of what their coverage is but the point is the campaign doesn't get to pick. if you're in the pool the pool

decides who covers it and the pool itself is a compromise. the pool is a restriction. >> the daily mail has such a massive, massive online presence. massive. in the united states and across the world. they would probably be the last people i would want to piss off. >> the whole point of the pool is to send back a very straight report of what happened at this very normal event. that's it. when you shut out the reporter you're shutting out all the other outlets from your event. >> wow. >> you know i think the daily mail was, alex was telling me also, they were the ones who reported that hillary was busing in people in iowa for her sort of meet the people deal. they also beat the "new york times" to the story that we were all talking about a couple days ago. >> so we showed at the top of the show hillary clinton answering questions to some reporters. and she was great. like four minutes long or

something, but it's strange to me. the whole thing is strange. she's really talented. and they won't let us see it. >> you always get in trouble, nicole don't you, when you have people who are just too clever by half? like you said jeb has to take the punches, hillary has to take the punches. >> i don't think she's that great at taking questions. i think saying that you're flat broke when you have been chauffeurs for two and a half decades isn't great, but that's not the point, right? the point is you're running for president. you want to be leader of the free world. you better be able to field questions from reporters. >> she was asked a substantive question on trade policy. >> it took her three at-bats to get the question where she wanted it. i think whoever emerges, i hope it's jeb or marco is doing a good job taking questions, but she's putting herself at a distinct disadvantage by never

fine tuning any of these answers, which aren't going to get easier. >> it is all about fine tuning. it's like everything. the more you do it the better you get. she was horrible at the beginning in 2008. and by the end, wow. she was incredible. trial by fire. there's no substitute for it. >> the press obviously doesn't like any of the stories. there were reports at the launch on saturday they were penned in and not allowed to speak to supporters during the event. these things add up. my question is does this have an impact on voters. is there a volter looking at the way they're interacting and caring? >> maybe not directly. what the clintons don't understand is it does have an impact over the long course of the campaign. i remember in 2000 being shocked for the first time a republican was getting better press coverage than a democrat. george w. bush got better coverage than al gore. then i heard one story after another story after another story about how the gores

sometimes weren't as polite as they should have been to staff and to press and to other people. and there's just a cumulative impact. if they keep the press penned up, you can't help if you're a reporter and you've got a chance to take a jab at somebody or how accessible they are, doing that over the course of the campaign. >> also if you're a hostage of a narrative that you're hiding things it's not good to literally hide from the press. if it cements a narrative about you, worryies about you, it furthers your problems. >> hillary got out yesterday, answered questions for 20 minutes. i said her answer to her wealth issue was osgood as one i have seen. >> coming up on "morning joe," a juge rules that aig received a more generous bailout offer in 2008. brian sullivan looks at why it could have had a major impact on bailouts for the future. first, mark warner joins the conversation. "morning joe" is coming right back.

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welcome back to "morning joe." walter isaacson and mike barnicle are still with us. we're following the breaking news out of california at least five people are dead after a balcony collapsed onto a sidewalk. the victims include a number of young irish citizens.

several other people are injured and being treated at the hospital. officials say they're investigating what could have caused the collapse. the building hasn't been evacuated but firefighters and city officials are at the scene. turning now to the fight against isis where there are signs that the forces that are trying to repel the terror group's advance are making headway. kurdish militias and other rebels have helped push fighters out of a border town and the iraqi fighters released this video claiming they show some of their air strikes are hitting isis positions. nbc news has not independently confirmed the authenticity of the video, but with us from capitol hill, we have a member of the senate intelligence committee, senator mark warner of virginia. thank you so much for being with us. we always appreciate you being here. >> thanks. >> i guess the $64,000 question at least this summer is is isis winning or losing and are we doing enough in.

>> i think that you are seeing progress by the kurdish pesh mega pushing back some of the isis forces. i think we also the jury is out whether these 450 additional trainers that we're sending over is going to be able to step up some of the sunni tribes in terms of their ability to push back. then the million dollar question is is the iraqi army going to stand and fight and defend its own country or wilt away as we have seen them wilt away. >> it seems the president is caught between two competing forces. he's got people who say the 450 advisers is not enough that it's merely a political move. then we have others who say this is the united states and during mission creep, and we're on the way to 10,000 30,000 troops. what do you tell your constituents? >> what i tell them is it is not an easy answer on either direction. i'm supportive of the president trying to see if this additional beef-up of trainers makes a difference. but let's face it.

at the end of the day, the iraqis have got to decide whether they're going to stand up and defend their own country. we can try to help the kurds, we can try to see if the sunnis will step up but the iraqi army itself at some point has to be willing to tand and fight. >> walter you're hearing a lot of people say now the iraqi army isn't going to stand and fight because there's no unified iraqi army because there's no unified iraq. what are you fighting for? dexter says everywhere he goes in iraq somebody tells him there's something else other than an iraqi. >> i would learn to turn to senator warner on that. are we going to try to get a unified iraq out of this or should we back away from that being the goal? >> i think there's an awful lot of folks not only around washington but probably all around the world that are thinking that vice president biden's comments a decade plus back said perhaps there's a sunni area a shia area and a kurdish area look ss at this

point. i think we obviously know the dismantling of iraq would lead further to the dismantling of syria. unless there's a willingness of some in the iraqi regime to rise up above being sunni and shia and actually stand up to be an iraqi, this is i think, time to play out. but i don't see a clear answer yet. >> you know if i could change the topic just briefly. you and i talked at one point about what you call the uber the task rabbit economy. we're going into a whole new economy. people talking on the campaign trail about all sorts of 20th century economic ideas but haven't focused on how to have a new worker economy. you want to do that. tell me about that. >> about a third of the american work force is at some level or another part of a contingent work force. they have more than one job. a smaller number are in the gig economy where they're cobbling together two or three different jobs, an uber driver an i.t.

consultant, they rent out their home to airbnb and what i don't hear out of the 25 folks running for president is anybody talking about this. no social contract no unemployment, no worker's comp. i'm not sure we can go back to a 20th century model, but for the people who are thinking about work in a different way, i think some policymakers, i'm trying to lay out ideas about how we ought to think about some form of social contract so they don't go from doing well to falling upon public assistance programs if the bottom falls out. >> so senator, let's stick with work then because a lot of people with regard to the trade pack on the table in the house and the senate they figure they have no social contract now because of nafta and what's happened to so many manufacturing jobs in this country 20 years ago. what's your feeling about the trade pack right now? what is its future? >> i strongly support moving forward with trade. 95% of all the future partners

and customers for american goods and services are going to be external. more specifically with the so-called tpp, we have to question are we going to set the rules, are we going to allow china to set the rules for all of asia? this idea that we're going to go back and replay the '90s is frankly the kind of backwards looking that i don't think takes the country forward. i think the new trade agreement, the new tpa agreements they've got stronger labor, environmental, human rights standards. the fact is, a lot of people are concerned about china, but this tpp agreement doesn't specifically deal with china. it deals with the surrounding nations. i would much rather have america set the rules than the chinese. >> senator, thank you so much. always love having you with us. still ahead, hostility to the press. decades in a political scene and a series of political issues. our next guest sees a lot of parallels between richard nixon and somebody running for president this year. his story, and evan thomas joins

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fascinating. you talk about how nixon grew up a very solitary figure. a sad figure almost. and it shaped him for the rest of his life. >> well this is most fun book i have ever written because as his chief of staff said he's the weirdest human being ever. >> really? >> endlessly fascinating because he's theilityimate introvertand the ultimate extrovert's business and one of the most successful politicians in the 20th century. how did he do that? i always wondered about him. i worked for the "washington post" and they were people he hated. they were my employers. i wanted to find out, what's it like to be richard nixon. you can find out. you can. he's a difficult guy. you can get there. >> there's such a great paradox of a guy who received more votes than anybody else in american history, and yet i remember teddy white asked him a question, what's it like when you're shaking somebody's hand

when you -- and he finishes the sentence want to kick him in the shin? he said well no that's not what i was going to say, but -- yet this guy craved it. >> he had so little small talk that he ran into jackie kennedy at martin luther king jr.'s funeral funeral, and he said, this must bring back many memories for you. one of those guys who couldn't help himself, but he remembered names. very carefully remembered names, and he was fearless. he was very brave man. we say a lot of bad things about richard nixon. he had personal courage. >> you say there are ways to find out what it's like to be nixon. >> i fount out he was a more optimistic person. when he came home at night, he would come in whistling, turn on all the lights he would put a broadway tune on the record player and insist at the dinner table only happy small talk.

he was fighting the dark all the time. but at night, he would go off with his yellow pad -- >> did he have clinical depression. >> he hated psychiatrist. he had one, but he hated them. i won't be shrunk. no, he was highly functional. i don't think he was -- >> you said he was always optimistic. >> he wanted to be optimistb. >> you said he could be boorish. he pursued her like a mad man. >> it was sad. that was a great marriage in many ways. their early love letters are really tender. he was happy, married the cutest girl in high school couldn't imagine his good luck that someone as pretty as her married him. by the time he was president, the stresses of the job, the loneyness of the job does separate him. when he resigns, he doesn't tell her, he tells his secretary that he's resigning, to tell pat. that's how distant they had gotten by the bitter end. yet, you know after he leaves

their marriage repairs itself. you look at him, the photos from his funeral, he's not just crying. he's bawling. this most uptight, this is a guy who wore a necktie when he bowled, but yet at his wife's funeral, he utterly collapsed. >> this is a guy who spent, am i wrong? he spent his entire life carrying a backpack of insecurity. >> sure, he did. he talked about it. at the very end, he said you know, these sliets and snubs when you get your little when you're a little kid. they never leave you. all these people are sitting around on their fat butts, he said you get even. it was rocket fuel for him. those snubs and slights powered him to do great things. unfortunately, they also powered him to destroy himself. that's the great shakespearean tragedy of nixon. >> it is. >> the thing about this book the only book i have read that explains richard nixon. we have many books that try to

attack him or tear him down. by explaining him, it seems to me you cracked the code on why he pushed himself, why he tried to become a great statesman when in his nature he was an introvert. >> when he had an angry crowd, he would do that thing, it drives them crazy. he loved doing that. he would be happy about it when a crowd was really angry. he got stoned in caracas. they almost killed him in caracas. he was brave. they were starting to get into his car down there, 1958 the secret sufrxervice guy is pulling his gun out, and nixon said cool it put the gun away. nixon was cool often but not always. >> you know that coolness, he writes about it on the yellow legal pads ss in the book. >> he would rite these notes, what he wanted to be, joyful, up pp upbeat, inspiring, confident, all those things it was hard to

be. he wanted to be cool and he said i don't carry grudges. he carried them. he was cool with mau say tongue not so cool in other circumstances. he was a blurter. the tapes are ugly no other way around it. the tapes are really ugly. but when he's nervous, he blurts. you can hear him, he's always swearing on the tapes. he's not a good swearer. lyndon johnson was good at swearing. nixon sounds fake at it. >> i'm looking at the "wall street journal" hillary mill house clinton, comparisons? >> they're different, obviously, not the same person but mrs. clinton has a sense of aggrievement. i covered her in the '90s, and through whitewater and all that. she doesn't love the press. there's a bit of a nixonian contempt for the prsz. she's not wrong. the press is out to get her. there's a little right wing conspiracy, and nixon --

>> nixon was right, too, because the "washington post." >> the company i work for was out to get him, and they did. there was no mercy for dick nixon at georgetown dinner parties and henry kissinger, who would be fawning with nixon when he was with him, advising him, that noth would go out to dinner and sell out his boss as talking about his drinking and being charming and funny as henry can be, but also not so funny. >> putting the knife in. that's one thing about your father. i have never heard your father say anything but positive things about the man he worked for, jimmy carter. behind closed doors, anywhere. >> off the record, on the record. >> nothing but respect for the man. speaking of your dad, you saw nixon. it's so sad, this is such a tragedy. you see richard nixon at the beginning of the book is sad, solitary figure. you tell me that he came to your home a year or two before he died and you told me before that he was the saddest figure you have ever met in your life. >> lost his wife and just

sitting on a chair in the middle of the porch just alone. and the chair was just sitting there, no other chairs. and we were bringing him stuff, and i was, you know a younger person, but i just remember feeling overwhelming kind of gloom. >> the pathos of richard nixon was shakespearean. >> yeah. looked like that. an image in my mind forever. >> what makes the book remarkable is that man received more votes than anybody else. in the history of the united states. >> how did he do it? >> learn here. >> thank you so much. up next the ruling that could change or end future bailouts. keep it right here on "morning joe."

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government being able to take over companies over without providing constitution. mr. greenberg said that violated the fifth amendment. the court kind of agreed but he got no cash. >> an amazing performance to get it to a fifth amendment -- >> his lawyer. >> he was mr. greenberg's lawyer, and to get that ruling. does it mean we can't bail out banks again? >> under the ruling we can bail out banks and we may not have to offer them anything as compensation. greenberg said listen give me something for taking my company. >> they can't seize the equity. >> the court argued you were dead anyway. it would have gone bankrupt regardless, so it sort of was a moot point. >> ron, let's broaden the conversation out. >> i want to talk about panera. >> we can talk about panera. let's talk about panera as it relates to the economy. >> okay. >> how is panera doing? >> panera is -- >> growth how is the economy impacting it?

>> it's been the number one performing restaurant stock in the last 15 years. up 4,000%. >> what are you doing right that everybody else isn't? >> we're serving food people want to eat. we're doing environments that engage people. >> it's really good. >> and it's about community. >> how long has panera been in business? >> if you take it back to its predecessor, 30 years. >> how was it doing in the beginning? >> like every business it started out with problem. it was essentially a problematic company. we bought it it was 19 stores. we grew it. i think the -- it's a 2000-store operation today. >> panera all these things lake that, why do they all have foreign names that are sort of latin? >> i cofoundeda bon pain i have been involved in panera. i think panera essentially speaks to bread. i think that au bon pain speaks to bread.

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