the court rarely gets too far ahead of public opinion. instead she argues it advances principles within what the public is ready for. so by that standard one could expect a ruling for national marriage equality in the coming days but as always we have to wait to hear if decisionthe decision and what the other 8 judges have to say. that is our show. now with alex wagner starts now. >> congress is voting right now on whether to pull troops out of iraq and syria and republicans are realizing they will need a plan for healthcare if the supreme court rules against the aca. first jeb bush's first trip to iowa has a candidate has not exactly been a big fiesta. it's wednesday june 17th and this is "now"."now"".

>> the road to the white house goes through the latino community. >> suffering family is not an american value. people disagree with me in my own party. not everybody, trust me. but a lot of people who have a different view. >> bush has a load to pull. >> people like him. and this is something a democrats should fear. >> jeb bush has only been in the presidential race two days but already he's facing tough questions about immigration. holding a meet and greet in iowa today he was asked about the local pastor who was deported despite the fact that his children are u.s. citizens. >> what i've learned in my political life and just being -- being jeb, is that you can't bend with the wind. so to answer the political question, i belief what i believe. i and i believe in comprehensive immigration reform. i agree with you that separating family is not an american value.

>> but bush said while parents of dreamers should have a chance at earned legal status and not citizenship, he certainly isn't backing the president's status on deportation. >> he likes this as the wedge issue. he thinks democrats win by not solving this. instead of going to congress and doing what presidents used to do which is find consensus, find bipartisan approaches. instead of that he's using executive order authorities that he doesn't have -- constitution doesn't grant it. >> notably, while democrats hillary clinton and the bernie sanders will be attending las vegas this week, jeb bush will be sending a video. the only republican candidate scheduled to appear that would be the man currently leading the latest national develop poll

dr. benn carson. joining me is ari melber. and michael steele. ari, jeb bush talking about the president not looking for a bipartisan solution to the crisis. there was one and it was sheppard shepherded through the senate and died in the house. i feel like every time you brick it up it reminds everybody that republicans killed it. >> there is a point here. this is very interesting for people to hear from jeb bush. if someone is spinning you on something you likely know to be false, what does that person think of you and your ability to assess the claim with oh the president doesn't want to fix this with the reality in both parties. you have heard about these things the president has done at

the apex or maximum of his authority or beyond his authority to fix this. i don't think it's credible. i will say jeb bush has a better or interesting record on trying to do something. the question is what is he emphasizing? the comprehensive solution or some fantastic land about the idea that this president who doesn't have anymore elections is doing something he hasn't done namely politic on this issue instead of put it proposals. >> does it surprise you that jeb bush is not going to the national association of latino elected and appointed officials known as naleo? >> no it doesn't. presidential campaign schedules are notorious for the difficulty of squeezing in last minute this or that. don't know what was planned before. it is coming off of his announcement week. so they probably had strategies that took them to iowa and new hampshire, where he's got to build up street cred if you will, with a lot of grass roots

voters out there remembering this man has been out of the nation's politics for 13 years. so i think that, you know, he will do the touch as is his want. and make the communications directly with the leadership along the way. but his focus is a primary one on the primary. and i don't blame him, nor do i fault him for not necessarily being there. he's sent a video. he's acknowledged it. but he's got other things he's got to do as well. >> i wonder ryan jeb bush has clearly made the senate elect rate a piece of his campaign roll out. talking about his immediate family mexican wife. speaking spanish. he had a fiesta yesterday after his announcement. at the same time when it comes to immigration he is not advocating for a bath to citizenship. and i feel like that is a big important asterisk every time he's asked about immigration if

he's trying to appeal to hispanic immigrants in the country. >> i think there is a if huge difference talking about his family and speaking spanish at his announcement and what we say substantively. he's been sort of silent. because you can't really say anything nice on the substance about immigration reform in the primary. and i think clinton is going to try to close that door. and not -- >> and he has to deal his own party too. >> right. >> even a legal path to residency is equivalent to amnesty in the eyes of some. >> for the duration of the primary he is going to have to try to avoid the topic all together. by not including it and only responding to the dreamers in attendance. and if he wins the primary then try to widen the door open again to say maybe we can get to legal

status. but hillary clinton is going to remind him -- >> you are assuming they are going to be the two nominees. >> i'm just saying. >> i like the confidence. chairman steele. david from had a headline the first hispanic president question mark? and i wonder can he run on being the first hispanic president -- >> i don't think he will. >> you know what i mean. >> i know what you mean. and i'm answering that way because what it means is that he is going to run embracing the hispanic community much more openly and much more broadly. these are baby steps. this is getting your footing on the ground to begin the slog through this primary. he knows what's on his right. he knows what is going to come at him from folks. he is going to have a deafening silence from marco rubio whose kind of backed off of this issue

and how he positions himself is going to be important as well. but the reality for jeb bush is he's prepared to go into it. and i take him at his award. let's see if he is really prepared to lose the primary, not necessarily literally, but to lose the primary to when the general -- >> i don't understand what that means still. >> i can tell you very quickly. it means i think he's prepared to take the party by the scruff if necessary, and say is this about some principled argument that it sounds great but will not win the white house? or is it about winning the white house? because you are not going to do it without this community over here. who speak spanish. >> that is the docile pickup ifuppy if you can grab him by the scruff. >> to build on one of michael's points that goes in bush's potential favor here is there is a template for this.

de blasio ran in new york on a rake of issues but when he spoke about the fact that he is in a family with african american wife and thus mixed children and all that. he spoke about that from a point of pride and personal experience. it wasn't only policy-based. and voters do care about the connections you have made the. >> the narrative. >> the narrative you have made. if you raise this analogy because they are not into the bush analogy because he wants to be the progressive to hillary's left. they say no. but if you talk to the democratic based voters there was an interest in that before people got to learning about -- it was a gateway before people even got to find out about the policy. >> i must bring up the recent polling in quinnipiac florida. clinton 47 rubio 44.

ohio. clinton 4 --. >> a lot of numbers. >> what was even the point? the point was those are pretty tight races. if you believe in polls this far out. >> and not tight like a good thing. tight like too tight for hillary. >> i feel like what that shows is if a florida republican can run against hillary in florida and a ohio republican can run against her in ohio. >> what about rubio and rand paul in pennsylvania. >> those are great numbers for someone whose running out significant intraparty chances. she ought to be higher. the counter is folks say hey, our negatives are maxed out. they have thrown everything at us. the benghazi committee will be the longest running

investigation in u.s. history, longer than watergate. longer than jfk. you have two republicans throw it at them last night. they have thrown everything at them. so the numbers are higher. >> speaking of curious things chairman steele. in an interview set to air tomorrow on morning joe, the teflon don, donald trump, had this response when asked who was the best president of the last four. let's take a listen. >> i would really say clinton probably. i would have to say clinton. >> do you know why? >> there was a little spirit. and frankly he would have been -- had he not met monica. had he not met paula, had he not met various insundry semi-beautiful women he would have had a much better deal going on. do you agree with that joe?

no seriously. he was destroyed by that. he was really hurt very badly. >> he seems to be a gift to hillary clinton in many ways. >> so it was a last four presidents. >> the last four. and there was at least one republican in that mix of the last four. >> okay that's fine. i got nothing. no insight. >> it is a trick question right michael because it forces you to either pick a bush and he's running against one. or the democrat. it's a trick. isn't it? >> that's jeb's problem. >> well know it's not jeb's problem. i think this whole thing about jeb and his brother and his father and all of that is largely going to be much ado about nothing. i think jeb is going to carve out that space for himself and and really make the name. he was a governor of a very important state for 8 years, did a great job, built a great economy. has a very strong record he can run on. and i think he learned in the

early misstep about how to answer questions about his brother. and i think -- >> which is to not talk about him. >> that's it. just don't talk about it. >> that is a heaping dose of wild optimism from michael steele. emphasis on wild. always good to see you guys. >> thank you. >> and you can watch the full interview with the teflon don tomorrow morning at 6:00 a.m. on msnbc. when we come back. rachel dolezal's caitlyn jenner jenner's experience resonates with her. and step away from the benghazi committee. and later california has bad news for uber but really good news for uber drivers. we'll explain ahead on "now."

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well i definitely am not white. nothing about being white describes who i am. i'm more black than i'm white. that is the accurate answer from my truth. >> there are more questions today about rachel dolezal who in a series of interviews this week continued to explain her choice to identify as black. sitting down with savannah guthrie yesterday she suggested her parents, who are both white, might not actually be her parents. >> i haven't had a dna test. there's been no biological proof that they are my biological parents. >> there is a birth certificate with your name on it and their names on it. >> i'm not saying that i can't prove they are not.

but i don't know that i can actually prove they are. >> in that same interview dolezal also said he emphasized with caitlyn jenner. >> just yesterday i finally had a chance to read caitlyn jenner's piece, you know, in the magazine. and really just -- and i cried. i cried. because i resonated with some of the themes of isolation, of being misunderstood, to not know if you have a conversation with somebody, will that relationship then end because they have seen you as one way. >> joining me now is president of the grind michael schoolner. and professor boz driesinger. and john mcwarder. thank for joining me guys. professor, the comparison to

caitlyn jenner's experience do you think that it is a fair or relevant comparison? >> no i don't. we're not talking about something that has to do with biology. we're talking about something that is much narrower and more contingent. why this person didn't feel right in her own skin is that just like the tim wattly character on seinfeld converted to judaism for the jokes. she has converted to blackness for the victimhood. she wants the sense of noble victimhood she sees as coming from being black and has even fabricated incidents to keep it going. so if she knelt she wasn't quite a person without having the victimization that she saw black people as having then there is an analogy to wanting to be someone of another gender. but really she is just a rather peculiar and self bravtizing

person. >> taking issues with she's said and done. but he says his primary offense lies not in the silly proffering of a false biography but by knowing our ugly history and be taken at her word regarding her identity because blackness in america comes in so many shatd shades. she's taken advantage of that. >> well i think his piece is a must read. it is a phenomenal piece of writing on this particular subject. but this to me is the deep concern of her action is that as a white person she has the privilege to do this. she has the privilege to say -- and this is the white privilege. i am black. and at face value you believe her because why would anyone lie. >> but also because we are used

to black women being people who are one quarter black. in america we have determined that's black. but whiteness has a very very high standard of proof. >> right. so as the professor said. this is about convenience. this is what about what she wants. where black people in this country when they pass they are passing for survival. to free themselves from slavery, to get to the north. this wasn't about convenience. so for her to continue the per perpetuation of these lies the big red flag for me is suing howard university as the white woman for discriminating against her. then it's just i don't believe anything you are saying. >> i guess professor, our other professor, in terms of the attention that she's got. i think -- i don't know who it was that said this is the most attention that a block woman had has gotten in america in a really long time. and and -- thrown in jail for a

thousand days without charges, never saw a trial. killed himself a few weeks ago. spent two years in solitary for something done nothing for the state. we didn't talk about that the way we're talking about this. >> and think that's true. and it's the nature of the way media operates unfortunately. this is a sexy story. it is an over the top story. it is -- you know, it gets crazier and crazier by the minute. i do think it is kind of important to separate talking about rachel with talking about the issue. the issue is relevant. it is a wonderful opportunity talk about just as caitlyn jenner was an wonderful opportunity to talk about gender, this is an opportunity to talk about how race is more malleable and more complicated than we think. but the problem is that rachel

is such a bizarre instance and she is so over the top absurd and offensive on so many levels that it is muddying the issue we could be talking about in a rich way. >> i would argue at the root of this story, kalif represents an ugliness we don't really want to deal with in america which is the breakdown of the incarceration system. and largely black men in the walls of prisons. and rachel is i think americans are sort of fascinated by and repulsed by at the same time which is the subject of race which goes back to the building of our economy on slavery, the origins of our country. >> i think that's true. and to tell you the truth when i first heard and didn't know we were going to keep talking about her for a week. i thought was if someone could decide they are backlack in a

fashion statement. i shows there's some kind of progress. because she wouldn't have done this even in 1970 1980 it would have been too horrific. today she can do that. and she ends up having to create the hate crimes and things herself. not to say that real things don't happen to real black people. but the fact she can do this now made me think wow we've come long enough that somebody can do something as goofty as this. >> i wonder and you know pop culture well and music. we talk about passing. there's been broad historic appropriation of black culture by white folks for a really long time. and and we can look no further than iggy ieazalea. >> certainly this association from blues to jazz to rock and roll to hip hop.

iggy never went so far to say hey guys i'm black. because we knew she wasn't. and i in this particular case she went so so far it has actually raised. i thought this story was a non story six days ago. but it has raised these issues. as you point out. it's raised issues that as the country we are dealing with race now every sickle day. which we hadn't really done in the past. and the small weird bizarre stories are causing us to have conversations about what does race mean. what does blackness mean? >> i think part of the reason this conversation, rachel dolezal has the import she does is because it is against the backdrop of ferguson of baltimore. i think we're at the cross roads of understanding there are two different americas based on your skin color. >> and this idea that why would you want to be black in the context of what being black in

america today means as we've been seeing again and again. and that is the question people are asking. but the reality is historically in american culture, you were mentioning jazz and rock and roll. there is a long legacy of the fetishizing of blackness even as this anxiety of well i better protect my whiteness in order to protect my life. as the the constant pair dox that runs through the 19th century that is anxiety and also fantasy. at the same time i think the kalif brouder point is spot on. are we going to keep talking policy here? we can keep talking racial theory and all of that is tremendous but are we going to talk about real structural policy change. >> the solution that would not make it not bad to want to be black in america. not to want it but to think that it's second class seasonship.

>> i feel like you really truly think this is all about her portraying herself as the victim. >> well there are going to be playing about her -- >> i'm trying to put myself in her mind. first she has to be different by going to an all black school. that didn't work. so then she has to become a black person. that didn't work. she has to come up with something else. what else is there? shes going to change her gender and then we can talk about that. >> the professor has great ideas. great to see you all. thanks more your time. >> thank you. >> just ahead, a really strange thing is happening on capitol hill today. the house voted on whether to stop fighting a war that hasn't even been authorized. that's next. you are looking at two airplane fuel gauges. can you spot the difference? no? you can't see that? alright, let's take a look. the one on the right just used 1% less fuel than the one on the left. now, to an airline a 1% difference could save enough fuel to power hundreds of flights around the world.

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what the do if they win the war on obamacare. first isis. >> the ground campaign is a work in progress. >> this is not a simple environment in any sense of the word. >> what we saw in ramadi last month was deeply disappointing. >> military power alone will not solve this. >> while we have the right strategic framework, execution of the campaign can and should be strengthened. >> also wildly disspiriting the primary goal the recruitment and training of iraqi troops is not going well. >> we simply haven't received enough recruits. of the 24,000 iraqi security forces we originally envisioned training at four sites this fall we only received enough to train about 7,000. >> the waging war for nearly a year without any congressional

authorization. moments ago the house voted down a resolution that would have required all u.s. troops to leave by the end of the year absent a new authorization of military force. okay josh talk to me about the weirdness of trying to wind down a war that we have not yet official authorized. >> well i think this is again the hot poe toe thing. nobody wants to be in charge of our syria and iraq policy. the congress said to the president send us a umaf. and didn't like it. so send us a different one. and this is an effort of people on the left saying we have to make a decision or pull out. i don't think it is a suppliesrprise they voted it down. that causes congress to own the issue again they would have to figure out what the acceptable parameters are.

and now they can say that's obama's thing. >> i you talk about whether you have been sent to washington to do. and making the choice to send american men and women into battle seems like a pretty important decision to make. and hot potato. that it is not political ex expedient to make a decision. reflects very poorly on a congress already in the toilet in approval rating. >> i think there is a tlotlot of knievel hereke denial here. and burning up legislative time and capital on good will on something you know is purely an intellect exercise is not so prudent. there is this feeling like obama is going to do whatever he wants anyway. >> cost of war against isis.

9.1 million dollars ever day. for a party that controls congress and said it is the party of fiscal prudence that seems like something you would want to weigh in on. >> this congress and previous congress like the laws they will pass are ones that ab addict their own responsibility. so if anything goes wrong it is the president that gets blamed. and the fiscal cost and cost in lives is potentially large and you are not going to see congress get invested until you have a situation like fallujah or something. >> so here is obama walking around town with his scepter saying does anyone want this? and they're like uh-uh know. >> 9 million a day is pretty cheep as far as wars go. what i mean is that we're having this very small war in iraq right now. we really don't want to go back and have a big war there.

and i feel like the white house is figuring what is the least we can do in terms of putting american boots on the ground while looking like we are doing something about this. you can see that in that hearing. this is not a plan to defeat isis. probably because there is no good plan for the united states to go in and defeat isis. it is not just congress. it is also the administration they don't want to admit there is not a lot we can do about this problem right now. so each is stwrieing to avoid. i think this is better than deciding to send 160,000 american troops to iraq. >> maybe congress wouldn't want a vote on it. maybe not. either way they are not dealing with this in a straightforward fashion. which means only one thing, it goes to the supreme court. i'm kidding of course. but this is a segue to our next segment. now that the supreme court might do it for them republicans are panicking. what do about a ruling that could eliminate healthcare

subsidies for 6.4 million americans. who thirds of whom lived in gop controlled district. and i've said this before this seems like an example of cutting off your nose to spite your face. they railed and raled and now it might be torn asunder by supreme court and kind of a big problem for the nation and also specifically the republican party. >> so far we've seen conflicting reports on their fix and if it exists and if it's something obama could even sign. the answer is probably no. but i have to be honest. brian and i were arguing about this in the commercial break. i don't think the republicans are going to be the ones harmed. i actually think that people's understanding of this case is very low right now. people don't have a lot of information on it despite great reporting and people are just going to see obamacare is screwed up. the supreme court agrees and now it is obama's fault. i don't think it gets more

complicated that be that. >> -- the political pain will fall almost exclusively on the president and his party. >> i think there is a before/after issue here. before the case they are very complex issues technical and boring sounding. afterwards you have 8 million people kicked off of their affordable care act health insurance at the behest of the republican party that could be fixed with one sentence. the republicans in congress are refusing to pass. i think it is an easy and obvious situation for people to grasp. >> -- five votes for that argument. people aren't aware this is a lawsuit created by the conservative movement. >> i think no more than the supreme court looks good in hindsight for bush v. gore. >> so masochistic on the left almost home hoping for an unfavorable ruling. i think people are acting like the supreme court is probably going to rule against the government here. i don't think there is any reason the supreme court is

going to rule that way. i think if they were going to undo this law they would have done it three years ago. i think the base case is the government will win and then no fix needed. that is the less interesting story. but if this gets fictioned that is a road we'll cross. but voters are low information because it doesn't make sense for voters to know a lot about supreme court cases before it gets ruled on. most get ruled on in ways that don't effect the daily lives. >> more cameras in the courtroom is what i say. and that's a good segue to this story, which involves cameras. darrell isis showed up to yesterday's benghazi hearing where he is not a member and promptly escorted out before storming away from chair klay gowdy. i love this because it brings to mind the fact he's become i think political crypt night. >> everybody realizes he was a

really ineffectual investigator. his predecessor did the work of figuring what happened. and darrell was much more interested in trying to -- they made no progress. he's also beset by the fact that the obama administration isn't very scandal plagued. but what he had he screwed up. they needed tory place him. and now trey gowdy. he doesn't want darrell in there screwing up what might be a fruitful investigation. >> can we talk about this is sidney blumenthal's investigation and what is he testifying about that has to do -- can we step back and say how did it come to this? he just sent e-mails and now he's in front of the committee. >> it was weird that obama told hillary she wasn't allowed to hire sidney blumenthal and he

winds up doing freelance intelligence. probably not how you should be running your state department. >> we'll be investigating benghazi in 2050 probably. but i do think it has trey gowdy left in the hallway, pleading. thank you all for your time and thoughts. >> thanks alex. >> coming up the donald versus neil young. also known as the day the music died. so this beauty can be yours with a down payment and 10% financing. oh larry, lawrence. thanks to the tools and help at experian.com, i know i have a 798 fico score. [score alert text sound] [score alert text sound] oh. that's the sound of my interest rate going down. according to this score alert, my fico score just went up to 816. 816. 816! 816! fico scores are used in 90% of credit decisions. so get your credit swagger on. go to experian.com become a member of experian credit tracker

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♪ ♪ i see a woman in the night ♪ ♪ with a baby in her hands ♪ ♪ there's on old streetlight ♪ >> that was donald trump yesterday kicking off his presidential campaign to neil young's classic "rockin' in the free world." it did not go over well with neil young. he released a statement donald trump was not authorized to use the song. joining me now is music critic and author of let's go crazy,

prince, and the makeing of purple rain. from the minute it started playing people were like no way neil young is going to be okay with that. >> he made some favorable comments back in the 80s that a lot of his fans never forgave him for. but for the selection of all song, a scathing in income inequality protest song that was initially aimed at george bush the first couldn't be a more perfectly tone deaf selection for trump to try. >> we have been here before. and it keeps happening largely to republicans. drop kick murphy to scott walker's come pain. please stop using our music. we literally hate you. and paul ryan's love of rage against the machine is musing. because he is the em bodiment of

the machine that our music has been raging against for decades. and michelle bachman and george bush tried tom petty songs. and you can take it back to the ronald reagan trying to take born in the u.s.a. and say sarah palin using barracuda barracuda. and they just keep getting smacked down over and over again. >> and lose any credential they may have built up from using the song. >> and meat loaf. kid -- >> ted nugent. >> and they get kid rock. >> sometimes. >> depending where the wind is. >> i understand the issues but it just seems like they keep trying this and losing ground over and over again. >> okay. so to be critical in a bipartisan fashion, hillary clinton quoted the beetles yesterday. one of the great rock and roll songs of the 20th century and

quoted them incorrectly, maybe on purpose. she said "all our troubles look as though they're here to stay and we need a place to hide away." atrinitytributeing it to the republicans, their motto if you will. isn't that fundamentally the wrong thing to do to misquote the beatles? >> i think on many levels. this is the most played song in history. and if you are going to paraphrase at least make it clear that you are paraphrasing. don't make it rook like a mistake. >> and she also released her play list, which i got to say i was less than impressed. >> really kind of lame what she put up as the campaign play list. >> tell me why? >> because i look at this history andlist and it doesn't feel real. it doesn't feel like that it's

anything that hillary sits around listening to. and it's contrived. here is the play list that shows what i'm about. of course they are silly but they are opportunity to make a statement. all it shows is i like things that are popular and i don't want to like anything that reminds you i'm old. >> for example jonie mitchell's chelsea morning which she named her daughter after. which would have been cool. >> and again going back to these things are meaningless but meaningful. when barack obama did this during his campaign and it had the rolling stones and kanye west and nina simone. at least there was a point to what it was calculating that it was showing different perspective, different points of view. and backgrounds and great songs. songs you could madge him listening to. >> i will say, if hillary clinton wants to start quoting

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a million drivers across the world this could create yes, uber serious problems. that's all for now. the ed show is up next. welcome to the "ed show." let's get to work. >> i've not been a big supporter of fast track. >> a malfunction in the house on friday. >> trumping bush. >> i'm not a big fan of jeb bush. the last thing we need is a another bush. >> weak on immigration. in favor of common core. how the hell can you vote for this guy? ju just can't do it. >> donald trump took you on today. about immigration. >>. [ laughter ] sorry. i shouldn't have done