civil rights struggle, black freedom and black liberation in a heart of the place that gave birth to the confederacy in 2015 as the confederate flag still flies over that capital. live from charleston, south carolina, that's all from "all in." thanks for being here. we've got a lot to get to tonight, including a number of different developing angles on the story what happened last night in charleston, south carolina. i should also tell i that i will have something to say in a few minutes about the situation with former "nbc nightly news" anchor brian williams and news that he is coming back on the air here at msnbc. that story's ahead here this hour. this show and more. we start in charleston. the reverend clementa pinckney had a beautiful voice. he had a big, big beautiful voice. >> the grandmother's prayer. lord, let me be free. if not me, my children, if not my children, my children's children.

>> deferred gratification. >> so we have an obligation, a legacy to uphold. people who died so that we could have the right to vote. the people who sacrificed so that we could one day realize the dream of a black president, a black elected officials after segregation. we have an opportunity. i think it does our -- it does the memories a disservice if we do not vote. we don't have that -- we don't have that choice. we don't have that privilege to say our vote doesn't count because history tells us differently. >> i'm sorry, but if god gave you a voice like that, god meant for you to be in charge of something. and i was.

pbs tonight released that footage of that interview they did with the reverend clementa pinckney for the series, "the african-americans." he was only 41 last night while murdered in his church leading a prayer service. he did everything in life very young. he had just graduated from college. he was only 23 years old when he became youngest person ever elected to the south carolina state legislature. but by then, by the ripe old age of 23 he had already spent half his life in his vocation. he had already spent half his life since he with a is 13 years old being a preacher. which is the kind of ambition and experience and calling together with that beautiful voice that leads a person to become pastor of the oldest ame church in the south. one of the oldest and most historic black congregations in the whole country. >> my name somebody reverend clementa pinckney.

as of a couple of weeks ago, i'm in my fourth year of pastoring here at the church and along with pastoring here at mother emanuel, since the year 2000, it's been my privilege to serve the people in south carolina senate district 45 in the state legislature. where you are is a very special place in charleston and it's a very special place because this church and this site, this area, that is been tied to the history of life of african-americans since about the early 1800s. >> in addition to the reverend clementa pinckney being shot and killed in that historic church last night, a 54-year-old cynthia hurd was also killed. she worked for the charleston county public library for 31 throughout charleston was closed today in her honor.

she was the manager of one branch of the library in charleston. that branch will now be named for her. the reverend sharonda singleton. high school track and field coach. she was 49. she was also a minister at the church. she sang in the choir and had three children. depayne middleton-doctor just started a new job in college admissions this past december. she had four daughters. tyanza sanders was 16 years old, the youngest person killed. he earned a graduate degree last year. susan jackson, a long-term member of mother emanuel church, the oldest member. she's just returned from visiting her great grandchildren in cleveland. susan jackson's cousin was also killed, ethel lance. one of her seven grandkids said

today she's been at the church for over 30 years. woman named myra thompson was also killed, 59 years old. the reverend daniels simmons sr. survived the initial attack, the only victim who did not die at the scene but he died on the operating table at a nearby hospital. they couldn't save him. the suspect in the shooting, he didn't die. mass shooters usually kill themselves. this one didn't. he ran away. you've seen his face today if you're interested. i'm not particularly interested. he was caught in north carolina this morning. the story of how he was caught is pretty dramatic. we'll have some details in a moment. he's now been sent back to south carolina where he will

face charges. a lot of attention today has been paid to the fact that in this facebook profile photo he's wearing on this black jacket the flag of white ruled apartheid era south africa and also white ruled rodesia. that's a far right wing racist hobby in this country for a long time. so draw your conclusions. this guy also reportedly had another white supremacist flag on his car. it was a commemorative license plate that says confederate states of america. he had that on his hyundai. because of what it appears he did, frankly nobody wants to care what he thinks or thought or believed in or what he with a is trying to do but that unavoidably is now part of what it means to try to understand what just happened at that beautiful old church and all those innocent old people. it was a little more than a year ago.

it was late may last year at uc santa barbara whether a 23-year-old your guy stabbed three men to death in his own apartment. his roommates. then drove to a sorority house. he shot more people, crashed into a parked car and eventually shot himself in the head. seven people dead not counting him. that was may of last year. few days after that another young man with a gun rampaged through seattle pacific university and shot three college students. after that, a high school shooting in oregon. on the same day of the oregon shooting, a high school shooting, president obama had already scheduled an open q&a session at the white house. somebody who had known people who were killed in one of those shootings that had just happened in quick succession, somebody asked president obama about what

he thought about that current recent spate at that point of mass shootings in schools and what president obama said that day about this time last year has stuck with me ever since. >> i have to say that people often ask me how has it been being president, what are my proudest of and biggest disappointments. and i've got 2 1/2 years left. but my biggest frustration so far is the fact that this society has not been willing to take some basic steps to keep guns out of the hands of people

who can do just unbelievable damage. we're the only society -- we're only developed country on earth where this happens. it happens not once a week. and it's a one-day story. there's no place else like this. our levels of gun violence are off the charts. there's no advanced developed country on earth that would put up with this. i will tell you that i have been in washington for a while now. and most things don't surprise me. the fact that 26 year-olds were gunned down in the most violent fashion possible and this town couldn't do anything about it? was stunning to me. a lot of people will say, well, there's a mental health problem. it's not a gun problem. the united states does not have a monopoly on crazy people.

it's not the only country that has psychosis. and yet we kill each other in these -- in these mass shootings at rates that are exponentially higher than any place else. >> president obama speaking just about this time exactly last year. and today he had to do it again after another mass shooting, move mother emanuel in south carolina. but you know what? pick a month. honestly. pick a month. throw a dart at a calendar. pick a month, pick a time. i mean responding somehow to yet another unbelievably horrific mass shooting, doing that all the time is a big part of what it means to be president of the united states now. >> i hope that over the next

several days, next several weeks and next several months we all reflect on how we can do something about some of the senseless violence that ends up marring this country. >> i think all of us recognize that these kinds of terrible tragic events are happening with too much regularity for us not to do some soul searching. >> i think we can all acknowledge, we've got to put an end to this kind of senseless violence. whether it is in aurora, whether it's in oak creek, whether it's in tucson, whether it's in cities all across america where too many lives are cut short because of senseless violence. >> we've endured too many of these tragedies in the past few years. since i've been president this is the fourth time we have come together to comfort a grieving community torn apart by mass shootings.

>> we are confronting yet another mass shooting. >> i fear there's a creeping resignation that these tragedies are just somehow the way it is. that this is somehow the new normal. >> we're heartbroken that something like this might have happened again. >> the country has to do some soul searching about this. this is becoming the norm. i've had to make statements like this too many times. >> it's what it means to be president of the united states now. it's part of the job. right? talking to americans about the latest mass shooting. trying to make it make sense. right? with this latest one with the white supremacist iconography associated with this guy, the white man shooting up the black church, maybe the right context here is that this is the latest white-on-black hate crime. maybe the relevant context is the hate crime murder of james bird him being dragged behind a pick-up truck in texas. or to the thrill of the murder of james craig anderson.

maybe that's the relevant context. maybe the relevant context here is attacks on places of worship. the sikh temple attack or the attack on church in knoxville, tennessee where the guy wanted to kill some liberals. maybe that's the relevant context. of worship. or maybe the relevant context here is the attacks on black churches in particular. the guy in springfield, massachusetts who said he decided to protest barack obama's election in 2008 by burning down a black church in springfield, mass. maybe it is attacks on black churches. that's the relevant context here. or maybe the relevant context is the history of attacks on this church in particular. this church was burned down in the 1820s for sowing seeds of a slave revolt.

they hanged the founder of this church. they outlawed black churches all together in part to stop a place like mother emanuel from being too free. maybe that's relevant context here. maybe the relevant context is white suprecism. reverend pinckney's colleagues mourned him saying he was the best of all of us. maybe that's the relevant context. maybe it is the lives of all of these innocent victims. or maybe charleston, or south carolina. flying the confederate flag on the capitol grounds. what counts as context here for what happened in that church

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welcome back. joining us now, dot scott, president of the charleston chapter of the naacp and also south carolina state

representative todd rutherford who represents the district where this happened and who spoke with president obama about these events earlier today. thank you both so much for being with us tonight. thank you both. as president of the charleston chapter of the naacp. obviously the naacp has been very forward in responding to this in trying to make sure there is a constructive response. what do you say to people who want a basic explanation of the right way to respond, of not to just be consumed with anguish and anger on this? >> i think it would be nice if folks were able to not respond in a way that was destructive. in fact, we with the naacp encourages that. we must understand folks are dealing with some very serious emotional issues around the killing and it follows a backdrop of bigger issues we have here in charleston and in north charleston.

we'd like to see that this killing investigation is taken and investigated and justice is served. i think that the community as a whole will be comfortable with that. >> representative rutherford, thank you for being with us. i should mention that you represent the district in richland. in terms of your response -- >> i live right on the corner from the shooter. >> you live around the corner from the suspect in this case. >> right. as i got to charleston i learned that the shooter's father lives right around the corner from my house. it is extremely scary. this individual drove two hours away from downtown columbia to come all the way to charleston to kill nine people. i still don't understand it. >> in terms of that remarkable trip that he took and how far he went out of his way, do you think there's reason to believe that emanuel church was targeted specifically and especially from so far away, specifically because of its civil rights history?

>> it is troublesome. one would have to believe that. because it's got a story to tell. not only in charleston but throughout the world as it relates to civil rights. that maybe that is exactly why he chose the church. hopefully one day we will know. >> do you think that the arrest here in this case, the fact that he was picked up today. he has been extradited back to south carolina. he is in custody. he will likely if things go the way everybody expects likely never be free again a day in his life. does that help bring some sort of either closure or way to understand this locally? >> i think that it does. i think that a lot of people around charleston when i first got here this morning were scared. there's an active shooter on the loose that's not been captured. they found him. now he's back in charleston. he'll have a bond hearing tomorrow morning. in south carolina we have pretty swift justice.

because he's killed more than one person he's eligible for the death penalty in south carolina. they could move pretty quick if they want to or hate crime or terrorism type trial in federal court, i spoke to the u.s. attorney last night as well as this morning, everybody's ready to deal with this situation because of how horrific it was. >> miss scott, you mentioned that this should be seen in the context of other things that have been true about both race relations and other factors in south carolina and in charleston in particular. do you see that this young man and what happened here as being contextualized in anything else about charleston that we should understand? we're all reporting on the history of this church and trying to understand as much as we can about the history of this young man. is there something about the history of either of those two things we should focus on or get, those of us who don't know as much about the city as you do? >> i want to backtrack a little bit. i've had conversation with the

community this morning and last night. i think the capture of the suspect definitely moves the ball forward in resolving some of the anxiety. some of these questions won't be answered any time soon. now having said that, yes, i do believe that when you look at what has happened in south carolina -- i'm not just talking about the most recent death of scott. but the racial profiling issue, the economic issues, the issues around schools, the schools being now segregated again. i think all of that has much to do with the social ills we're having now and we don't want to forget the fact that guns play a big issue in us having to deal with this kind of what i call carnage, account killing of these nine people here in charleston.

>> dot scott, president of the charleston chapter of the naacp, south carolina representative todd rutherford, thank you for being here in this incredibly difficult time. our coverage of the shooting continues, including this really remarkable and unexpected story about how the suspect in this case was finally apprehended today. we didn't find out about this until very late in the day. it is a very strange story. stay with us. sert you ♪ ♪ i'll stand by you ♪ yeah! yeah. so, that's our loyalty program. you're automatically enrolled. and the longer you stay, the more rewards you get. great. oh! ♪ i'll stand by you ♪ ♪ won't let nobody hurt you ♪ isn't there a simpler way to explain the loyalty program? yes. standing by you from day one. now, that's progressive.

so this is about the chase.

this is about the covert chase that helped lead police to the suspect. the 21-year-old man allegedly fled that church last night after having shot and killed nine people there. he was on the run for 14 hours before he was finally caught today in the city of shelby, north carolina. he had crossed state lines. but person, the civilian who pursued him and followed him and did not let him get away until he was arrested by police, that person works here at this florist shop in king's mountain, north carolina. she is a florist. she is debbie dills. she said she was running late this morning when she left her house. she said she had been on the run for about ten miles when she recognized a car traveling in her same direction on the highway. she thought to herself, i've seen that car for some reason. i look over and it's got a south carolina tag on it. i thought, nah, that's not his car.

then i got closer and i saw that haircut. i was nervous. i had the worst feeling. is that him? or is that not him? remember, this is hundreds of miles away from the site of that shooting which happened in a totally different state. there was no particular reason for that florist in north carolina to think that she was going to see the suspect's car from that shooting. but when she saw that car she says she had a hunch that this was the guy so, as you do, she decided personally she would tail him. she says she followed him on the highway until she got to the exit she had to take for work. she called her boss who called the police but then she exited to go to work. what else could she do, right? that was supposed to be that. until -- the florist debbie dils having taken the exit off the highway decided, no, actually, no. something didn't feel right to her. she decided to make sure if that was the guy she would make sure he got caught. she turned around, got back on the highway, tried to catch up

to him and find him again. she says, it kept eating at me and something told me too kept following him. she found him again. off she went again following him for several more miles until at this point still on phone with her boss who was still on the phone with the police she finally saw the sirens. she ended up staying near the scene where they pulled him over until she actually saw him being arrested and taken into custody. all told, florist debbie dills followed the suspect in this mass shooting on her own for something like 35 miles. >> it's nothing to do with me. i'm telling you the lord had me where i needed to be. i'm 74. he had me watching the news. it's not about debbie. it's not at all. it's not about todd. we did what good citizens should

do is what i think. >> the story of how this guy was caught, hundreds of miles away from the shooting in a different state. is amazing in part because debbie the florist trailed him for miles on a hunch to make absolutely sure he didn't get away. to the point of even staying there while the police arrested him to make sure they didn't let him go. but what happened today is also amazing in part just because the suspect in this case is still alive to have been caught in the first place. that's an anomaly. one thing mass acts of violence have in common in our recent history as a country is that the people who commit them usually end up dead, too. lots of times they kill themselves. if they don't kill themselves they are often killed by police. often people who commit crimes like this suspect do not survive their own shootings but whether they do, sometimes by remarkably and strange circumstances, they get caught.

so tonight back in south carolina now, 21-year-old dylann roof is caught. he was flown there earlier in this evening from north carolina. he this sent him back across state lines. the chase of this story seems to be over now but the process now from here on out, the long devastating public legal process of trying him is just about to start. dylann roof is set to appear in court tomorrow for the first time. just like jared lee loughner who shot and killed six people and wounded 13 others including a sitting member of congress in arizona in 2011, just like dzhokhar tsarnaev in 2013, just like james holmes on trial for the shooting in aurora, colorado, whose trial is so grueling and traumatic for the people sitting through it each day. for the jurors who have to ultimately decide his fate, it's been so grueling and traumatic

the court has had to provide therapy dogs for anybody who needs them. just like all of those guys, before him, dylann roof's legal process is now under way. and undoubtedly will leave its own unique kind of trauma in its wake. one part of the tragedy in charleston, south carolina is over. the suspect is in custody now but a new and different type of trauma is just beginning. the long wrenching legal process that will likely wreak its own kind of devastation in its own way for the people who have to bring some legal order and justice to this tragedy is what starts now. only because they got him.

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the community that i live in, how can i go back and talk to kids i fight every day to try to tell them they don't have a right to be angry. they're angry and they have every right in the world to be angry because there is happening in our community.

emanuel african methodist episcopal church was founded in 1816.

not long after it open church leaders were jailed for letting black people gather there without white supervision. in 1822, one of the church's founders made plans to lead a slave rebellion in charleston. when the plans were discovered more than 30 people were hanged and the church was burned to the ground. then for good measure the state government of south carolina followed up by banning all black churches in the state. they kept meeting in secret, underground. of a the civil war the members were able to build a new church. since 1892 they've called this current sanctuary their home. this downtown charleston landmark.

they call it mother emanuel. mother emanuel became a focal point for the modern civil rights movement. booker t. washington spoke. martin luther king gave an impassioned speech there. in 1969 after her husband was assassinated when charleston's black hospital workers went on strike she led a march from the steps of the church while 1,000 national guardsmen looked on. to this day that spirit of twinned civic engage and spiritual engagement remains very much at the heart of emanuel ame. like reverend clementa pinckney, a member also of the south carolina state senate. after the fatal police shooting this year of walter scott in north charleston, south carolina, the reverend was a forceful advocate that local police should have to wear body cameras. on the floor of the state senate just a few weeks ago he said the public's reaction to seeing cell phone video of that shooting remind bed him of the story of thomas. thomas, the doubting disciple.

>> when we were able to see the video, and we were able to see the gunshots, and when we saw him fall to the ground, and when we saw the police officer come and handcuff him on the ground without even trying to resuscitate him, without even seeing if he was really alive, without calling an ambulance, without calling for help, and to see him die face down in the ground as if he were gunned down like game. i believe we all were like thomas and said, i believe. >> last week south carolina governor nikki haley signed that bill for police body cameras into law. the bill in that speech. if the past two centuries are any indication for this congregation, this is resilient in ways we can't even

understand. deeply strong. known reverend clementa pinckney since he was a small boy. reverend brown, this has been a very difficult day for you. i really appreciate you being here tonight. >> thank you very much. >> let me just ask you broadly, how you are doing right now. i want to ask you if the news about the successful capture and extradition of the suspect in this case brings you any peace, whether you think that brings any sense of peace at all to charleston tonight. >> first, let me bring you much greeting and love from richard franklin norris who was called for us healing in the community. we are doing much better than we did last night.

with such the love and outpouring that has been shown towards this state. not only in the methodist family, but in the ecumenical community. whatever this young man sought to do by dividing this country, this city, and this state, and currently it has served to galvanize us and let us know how much we need to depend on each other. we do salute mayor joe riley and chief mullins and the multi-task law enforcement agency, fbi, atf, all the agencies and people but also the faith of the people in this community through the naacp, other organizations that have galvanized and thank god for the expeditious way in which this person has been seized and

now has to face what he's done. >> i wonder, sir, if you can talk to me a little bit about the role of the ame church in your community, in charleston. obviously you're very nearby to mother emanuel. your own church, an ame church in mt. zion. i appreciate the remarks in terms of your bishop and how you are handling this as a faith community. i wonder what that challenge is in terms of mourning all of these dear friends who were lost but also needing to serve as a place where the community can kind of come together, make plans and try to work on what to do next. >> well, the first thing is the history of mother emanuel tied in to mt. zion ame church. it is the daughter church of mother emanuel when mother emanuel outgrew itself of holding more than 4,000 people to about 4,900, it sought

another sanctuary and it purchased zion presbyterian church which then became mt. zion ame church. so i am the pastor of mt. zion, that is the daughter church. my relationship also with the pastor who is deceased at this time, i became his pastor in the '70s when he was a little boy at st. john ame church in richland, south carolina. so the ties are deep. but as far as the community is concerned, all that has transpired has not really sat in yet. we have some mixed emotion. we have some highs and some lows. but we again are comforted by the fact that so much love that's been shown toward the hurt and the pain. then the focus that changed. the first focus was it was a

hate crime, what should be done. but immediately when we felt the pain of the family, and what they about getting ready even to go through? funeral arrangements and context? our caring, our love of this community, and those that galvanize quickly shift to the fact that beside what has happened, the family that has been victimize needed to be comforted. and we cannot comfort anybody until we comfort ourselves. and so as long as those families know that we are standing with them, it does not take away their pain but it lets them know they're not going through it alone. and i think that's a tremendous relief to a lot who would have thought that right now would be

chaos demonstration, backlash. that has not been the case. a lot of things here has been dealt with openness, transparency, so we were in the community, community leaders. the ame church and others was in with the chief and mayor on the ground floor for working thereof and it makes a big difference. >> pastor paul brown, you held a tremendous vigil today for its mother church, mother emanuel. sir, thank you so much for your time tonight. ® retinol correxion®. one week fine lines appear to fade. one month deep wrinkles look smoother. after one year, skin looks ageless. high performance skincare™ only from roc®.

we actually have a lot more show tonight. there's lots still to come. i want to take a point of personal privilege here for a second. if you are at all interested in the buzz about the news, you have probably seen today that former nbc news "nightly news" anchor brian williams is about to become parts of our team here at msnbc. mr. williams left "nightly" this winter under a cloud of controversy when was later discovered in multiple instances he had not told his truth about covering the news. since then none of us have known what nbc would decide. we've just been following the news and speculation on this like you have. but now today msnbc and nbc have said that what brian williams will do at this company to earn back the trust of viewers, to rebuild the faith that you need

to have in a person when you count on them for the news, what he will do is that he will restart here with us on msnbc. and nobody at this company asked me to make this statement. it is quite possible that i am causing some problem somewhere in this building because i am talking about this. but as viewers of this show i want you to always be able to trust me both to tell you what i know but also to tell you what i think so i want to tell you what i think about this. i want you to know that i personally -- not speaking for anybody else other than myself -- i am really happy that brian williams is coming here to msnbc. and that's first because he has apologized, he's acknowledged what he did and has been through the most fantastically humbling experience you can imagine since he left "nightly" back in february.

the fact that he wants to come back on those terms and not slink away, right? the fact that he wants to work from that point, he wants to work his way back into earning people's trust again, i think that's exactly the way second chances should work. to give him the chance to do that is not to excuse what he did wrong, it is to give him the chance to redeem himself. i believe in that. the other reason i'm happy about this is because of what he's going to be doing here. as i understand it, mr. williams is going to have a workhorse remit here anchoring breaking news events and special news events here on msnbc and, you know what? despite everything that has happened and come to light over the last few months, brian williams has tremendous experience and just sheer capability when it comes to on-air handling of big news and breaking the news. now he will be doing that here. yes, these are extraordinary circumstances in which he is being able to do this, in which he is bringing that experience and capability here to msnbc. i believe in redemption. i believe in second chances.

i'm glad he's going to be here. i'm looking forward to him starting here. that's just me speaking for me. and nobody told me to say this and i'm sure a lot of people don't want me to say this but that's how i feel and i wanted you to know how i feel. and i hereby end this personal privilege. thank you.

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but let's be clear -- at some we as a country will have to reckon with the fact this this type of mass violence doesn't happen in other countries. it doesn't happen in other places with this kind of frequency. and it is in our power to do something about it. >> it is in our power to do something about it. on days like this, people who hold high elected office, people who are looked to as leaders have a bigger job than they usually do because people need help understanding hard to understand things. leadership matters on days like this from the president but not just from the president. an important part of how we deal

with this as a country, this inexpiable, heart breaking heart wrenching thing is that we look to people in positions of leadership for help and understanding. we look to community leaders and elected officials to try to understand what is fundamentally unexplainable and not understandable. so today was a day for that kind of leadership. it was a day for leadership, anger, healing and a political leadership. >> you know, in life it isn't when we fall that counts. it's how we get up. >> amen. [ applause ] so this this tragic event will be a place where we look back with hearts ruptured and saddened and families so tragically changed, but we will look back on it as a time when love and goodness came forth to

overcome evil. >> when hate happens, we come together. that's what we'll do. right now we grieve, and then we heal. but we'll heal and end up stronger than we did to start. i want you to look at your neighbor. look around this church. there's not one color. there's not one gender. there's not one political party. this is neighbors loving neighbors. people taking care of people and all of us saying no more! >> whatever messages may come forward, this church, our church is built upon the rock. and no messenger, no act will ever destroy the foundation of this church.

[ applause ] >> this is not the first time that black churches have been attacked. we ino that hatred across races and faiths pose a particular threat to our democracy and our ideals. the good news is that i'm confident the outpouring of unity and strength and fellowship and love across charleston today, from all races, from all faiths, from all places of worship indicates the degree of which those old messages of hatred can be overcome. ♪ we shall overcome ♪ we shall overcome ♪ >> an emotional day today in

charleston, south carolina, and across the country. honestly news days like this are really hard as news days. the hardest thing about them now is how many of them there are and how frequently they happen. they never get easier. easier. "first look" is up next. it's friday june 19 th. right now on "first look" we're learning more about those gunned down in the charleston church massacre. questions about the trigger man. was this an act of terrorism because of race? the fbi is investigating it as a hate crime. >> we know hatred pose a threat to our democracy and ideals. >> a friend of the shooter roof describes him. >> he wanted black with black, white with white. he didn't believe in what the black race was doing