good morning, i'm tamron hall. this is "news nation." we're outside emanuel ame church in south carolina where this morning a memorial is growing for the nine people killed wednesday night in the massacre within those walls. also in the last hour charleston police announced that the gunman dylann roof, will be charnld charged with nine counts of murder. sources now tell nbc news that roof confessed to carrying out the massacre and this chilling thought revealed. he told police, quote, that he almost didn't want to go through with it because everyone was being so nice to him. but he ultimately decided he had to go through with what he called his mission. roof will make his first court appearance this afternoon. this morning south carolina governor nicki haley says she believes roof should get the death penalty. >> this is an absolute hate crime, and as we were talking to

the investigators, they said he looked at them with pure evil yesterday. there is no question this is hate. this is nine families that are struggling. this is a state that are hurt by the fact that nine people innocently were killed. we absolutely want him to have the death penalty. this is the worst hate i've seen and the country has seen in a long time. we will fight this and we will fight this as hard as we can. >> we're also hearing today from the woman who spotted roof and ultimately led authorities to him. >> i got off the business exit and i called todd and i said todd i think i have just passed that boy that killed those people last night. i said, but i don't know. i don't want to be overreacting or whatever and he said you need to call somebody. >> debbie dills was driving to work in nearby shelby north carolina when she noticed a car she felt was suspicious. after calling police she decided to keep following the car and ultimately followed it about 35 miles. on "morning joe" earlier, she

discussed what was going through her mind when she realized her actions helped lead to roof's capture. >> so i feel like the prayers of those people in charlton wereeston were heard. i said it the whole time and i'm going to keep saying it. god is the one that allowed this to happen. i was praying for them and i had been praying for them. since the night before when i heard about it it was horrific. i had gone to church myself the same night and came home and heard that on the news and i can't imagine the fear that had to be in their hearts and they were there just studying the word and trying to get closer to the lord and learn more about what he wants for their lives, and they were shot and they were massacred and they didn't deserve that. they did not deserve that. >> nbc's craig melvin is standing by. he joins me in charleston.

combine that with the information provided by nbc news provided by law enforcement that he said he debated carrying out his mission because the people in that church were so nice to him. this perhaps explains the report that he sat there for nearly an hour before opening fire. >> it makes it even more unfathomable, if that's possible, tamron. that snapchat video that you mentioned that started to surface, and you see him inside the church. keep in mind he also reportedly according to someone who was in the sanctuary, he asked for the pastor by name which, again, lends even more credence to this idea that this was something that had been planned and had been considered for some time. we can also tell you that at loos check last check, the 21-year-old suspect still had not retained counsel. we're told a confession came

after he had been mirandized. he was read his rights i'm told, but still gave his confession. again, at this point despite some rumblings earlier today, they had retained an attorney. i can tell you that folks say the 21-year-old still does not have a lawyer. we heard from his uncle, who has essentially said he hopes that his nephew quote, gets what's coming to him. as you indicated, he'll be in court this afternoon. we're told he's going to appear via closed circuit television facing those nine counts of murder, those nine charges of murder and also a weapons charge as well. >> and just quickly, craig, obviously we cannot ignore those people behind you who are there. many have come from all parts of the state, even other parts of this country to pay respect to those who lost their lives there. tell us a little bit about the growing memorial. >> >> reporter: i'm going to step out of the way and hopefully you can get a better vantage point

here as traffic passes. we have seen a number of folks not just stop and place flowers, we've seen people who have stopped and they bow their heads and they pray. we've seen a number of folks gather five or six people holding hands, praying in front of the memorial as well. but it's literally three times as large as it was this time yesterday. there was a worship service last night about a block away. people prayed together they sang together, then at the end, about 400 people marched from that church to this church and they -- what you're seeing right now, by the way, are folks getting set to hold an impromptu news conference. mayor joe riley, long-time mayor of charleston appears to be getting ready. when that happens, tamron we'll bring it to you. >> we understand the mayor will announce plans for a vigil later today, and we will update our audience on vigils happening

there in charleston and throughout the country. let me bring in congressman james clyburn of south carolina who joins me live from the state capitol. congressman, thank you for joining me and our thoughts are with you as you and your state try to understand and the country tries to understand. in the last few hours we learned that roof confessed to shooting all nine of the people who lost their lives. but, congressman, i have to get your reaction to what he told police, that this was a mission, and that he almost did not want to go through with it because everyone was being so nice to him within the church. >> well thank you so much for having me, tamron. this is a classic example of something i say a whole lot as i talk to especially educators. children learn what they live. it's obvious to me that this young man has lived a life of criticism, a life that did not allow him to interact with many

of the students with whom he went to school. if he had, he would have known that the kindness that he experienced there at emanuel ame church is the kind of thing you get from people when you interact with them in a normal way. this young man grew up with some experiences that seem to have given him a wrong-headed education. so there is nothing unusual -- it might have been unusual for him to get that kind of reaction, that kind of response from people of color, but that is to be expected especially at an ame church on a wednesday evening at prayer services and i hate to try to count how many of those i've attended in my life. >> counsel, i have to say, though the daily beast have talked to friends of dylann

roof, and they indicate a few things that he was not this loan loner anti-social person. he went to a school of mixed backgrounds, i believe the predominant being african-american. he lived in a neighborhood that his neighbor just spoke about, and she is black. he's been around many people of color. in fact, his facebook page most of his friends on his facebook page were black. so we've not uncovered anything in his background thus far that indicates that he was this isolated isolated loner. to your point, certainly valuable information may be revealed with his background. what we do know the way he wanted to represent to the people in the church and the world, it says everything with that flag on his jacket and the confederate flag many people noted, on his license plate. >> yes, you're correct about that. but what i've done -- what i found in my research was this

young man was a good student right up until about 7th or 8th grade. all of a sudden something started to happen. i have no idea whether or not he got caught up into some kind of experiences experiences, maybe trolling the internet. we always talk about these young people who want to go off and help isis. these are the people who get caught up with things and they have wrong-headed experiences. so if it can happen to people dealing with international issues, it certainly can happen with people dealing with domestic issues. and so i'm saying that here is a young man who started having run-ins with the law. he was arrested twice, one on a felony. 21 years old. would not have been able to purchase a gun, and all of a sudden it seems as if a pimp purchased a gun, gave it to him as a birthday present on his

21st birthday. all of that seems that he has had some experiences with circumventing the law and doing things -- >> let me ask you, though because you point out some of the people that have been radicalized and taken aim in this country. is this an act of domestic terrorism? >> oh absolutely. look i'm 74 years old. i grew up here in south carolina and this is not the first time you've had domestic acts of terrorism. i dealt with the ku klux klan as a child, and they sort of terrorized communities. the community i grew up in the school i went to a cross was burned on the front lawn of my high school. and i'll never forget those experiences. they are burned into my psyche forever. i try to get beyond them but the fact of the matter is i have never forgotten them. >> with that said we're almost

out of time. this just in a short time ago. senator lindsey graham is saying the state needs to review the confederate flag which is just above the building you are, at the state capitol. to revisit that decision would be fine with him, but this is part of who we are. the flag represents for some people a civil war, and that was a symbol to one side. to others it's a racist symbol and it's been used by people in a racist way. is it time for south carolina to revisit this? >> absolute flag for about 30 years. i co-chaired along with a former judge and the college of charleston president. the two of us were asked by governor jim hodges to co-chair a resolution to that issue. and we did. and we presented our resolution. but in defiance of that resolution the flag was placed where it is today when they

brought it off the dome and out of the chambers it was placed there that gifzves it the appearance of sovereignty. if that flag had been placed back there at the monument which was the agreement at the time for most of us we would not be having this conversation today. and so i think senator graham is absolutely correct. we ought to go back and look at that settlement and move that flag from in front of the state capitol. it is an embarrassment that every south carolinan ought to take to heart. i know the history that flag. that flag that's there is a confederate battle flag. that is not the flag of the confederate states of the america. it's a different flag altogether. when this flag was trying to be made official even the daughters of the confederacy rejected this flag as being anything official for the

history of the confederate states of america. >> congressman clyburn, thank you so much for your time sir. we greatly appreciate it. i do want to point our audience back to what's happening in charleston right in front of mother emanuel church there. this is the mayor of south carolina. he's talking about new details regarding the vigils today. there are a number of vigils going on throughout the state, but we are expecting a very large vigil later this evening. we'll keep an eye on what the mayor is saying and bring you any new details about the gathering of people from all faiths, all walks of life who are grieving for the families or with the families and in an effort to move forward, pulling together and showing a united front against what by all accounts was pure evil. the nine victims are being remembered from coast to coast this morning. churches in denver chicago, baltimore. many other churches are olding prayer services dedicated to the victims, cynthia hurd, taiwanywanza

sanders, and the oldest person there, susie jackson. thank you so much fofr joining us. i saw you get choked up in a couple interviews. you've known many of these people for such a long time. you know what this church means. talk to me about the images we see yesterday and today of people, black, white, all different backgrounds, coming together in your city. >> well, it is a good sight. it's also a very unfortunate sight to take sight. what we see here today is a result of a domestic terroristic act committed by a sick individual who had some problems, and, of course the problem is a disease that so many people in the state and so many people in this country have, a disease called racism. and i hope -- i hope -- that

from this we will do something we don't usually do after these types of observances or celebrations, and that is do something constructive to benefit all people and especially the ones who lost their lives. the city the state, this nation will never be the same as a result of this terroristic act that took place here this last week. >> i'm sure you heard the news now that dylann roof has confessed to killing all nine of the church members, including, of course the pastor there. does that give you any relief that he has confessed, that it appears, at least at this point, he's not hired an attorney and we've not, at least at this hour, heard of a defense of mental illness or anything along those lines? >> well i don't want to use the word happy, but i'm comfortable that he admitted his faults and his guilt, but i really don't

feel -- i don't know how to -- what i'm expected to receive, to feel as a result of this because nobody's life is coming back as a result of him admitting this. we will still spend money taking care of him, and the only thing that will be of any value, and i even hate to bring up what would be of value. we'll save a few dollars by not going to trial on this case, yes, but what's better let's do the ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. let's do some things in south carolina to stop these deadadgum things from taking place. as smart as we claim we are, and as hard as we claim we work to still hear people at the naacp compromised on this issue, that is nothing but a falsification of the truth. never did we compromise, because that is not a compromise. what i would like to see people

do though i have a great compromise. it hasn't been approved by the national office yet, but it's one i'm just suggesting here for this moment. every businessperson every bank, every car dealership, every doctor's office and every grocery store in south carolina that supports what that flag stands for and what it means, put it in front of your business! that's better than a compromise. >> i know that you have been along with many others who have called for the confederate flag to be taken down from the state capitol there, i want to go to that press conference happening right behind you the mayor of south carolina discussing the case as well as the issue of racism within his city and state. let's listen in. >> but i think that for our country, a continued dialogue about race. you know we are working very hard to build almost down the street here charleston harbor

the international african-american museum. and this museum which we've been working on for quite some time will be a place of assisting with that of healing, but also we in america were never taught african-american history. it wasn't in the history books. we don't know the story and where the slaved africans were brought from. they worked during the war, and so we plan on building a beautiful museum on the site where the walk was where the enslaved africans were brought. there are lots of things we can do in our country to enhance the dialogue about race. >> you're listening it to mayor joseph riley of charleston

south carolina discussing measures he would like to see put in place to bring the city and the community together. let me go to my colleague now, gabe gutierrez, he's standing by on more of what we've now learned about the 21-year-old shooter. i was talking to congressman clyburn a second ago and he's been told this young man, dylann roof, had a background of isolation and there may be things in his past that are revealed here soon that paint a clearer picture of what happened to him, i guess between his middle school years and the ninth grade when it seems there was a great change in his life. >> yeah that's right, tamron. he's being held here in charleston county detention center. he's expecting to appear at a video conference at that 2:00 p.m. bond hearing, and he is charged now with nine counts of murder and a weapons possession charge. friends and family say that he became a bit of a recluse, a bit of a loner in the last two years.

he talked about segregation and that he had run-ins with the law. >> reporter: this morning a clear picture is emerging of dylann roof. >> stayed to himself, really low key. he was under the radar. >> reporter: this middle school friend said roof recently reached out to him for the first time in five years and made some troubling comments about race. >> he was just saying how he didn't agree with the trayvon martin case how he wanted segregation, he wanted to be white with white and black with black, and that he didn't believe in what the black race was doing to the white race. >> reporter: pictures on social media show roof sitting on the hood of a car with a confederate flag on the license plate and wearing a jacket with the flag of apartheid era south africa. family members say the 21-year-old roof was a good student when he was younger, but while repeating ninth grade at this high school he dropped out and never returned. in february police arrested roof outside this columbia mall after security reported he had been going into stores asking

employees how many people were working and what time they closed. when approached, police found a bottle of narcotics used to treat opiate addiction and booked him for drug possession. that case is still pending. but now he's a suspect in a church massacre. a woman who spoke to a survivor says one of the victims tried to talk to roof while he was reloading his gun. >> he just said i have to do it. he said, you rape our women and you've taken over our country, and you have to go. >> reporter: so after waiving extradition from north carolina again, roof is expected at that 2:00 p.m. bond hearing via video conference. nbc news has confirmed that he confessed to the killings shortly after being taken into custody, and his uncle has told msnbc that he hopes he gets what's coming to him. tamron? >> let me bring in attorney joe

bur -- john burris. tell us what could likely happen here. dylann roof has waived extradition. he did not get an attorney in shelby where he was arrested and there is no indication he will have an attorney representing him today. how does this then play out? >> well today he will be given notice to an arraignment as to the nature of the charges against him. he may or may not enter a plea of not guilty or not because he doesn't have counsel. if he doesn't have counsel today, they will put the case over for a day or two in order for him to obtain counsel. if he can't obtain counsel, then a lawyer will be appointed for him. in the county there, they have lawyers who work either in the public defender's office or who are court appointed. it would be the public defender then who will represent him. he gave a statement today. whether that statement was given

voluntarily, his miranda rights were given and that he waived the right not to speak. so that will be dealt with later. the bail will be set today. he'll have the opportunity to make that bail. if not given that it's a capitol case he probably will have no bail set. you don't have to set bail if a person has a capitol offense like this here with nine charges for murder. >> john, i think we've become accustomed even in cases where the clearest evidence for example, james holmes whose trial is still going on right now, the shooter in at roarthe a arora, colorado theater shooting, we've had a long trial here. if this individual goes into court today and continues to say he is guilty continues to confess and continues to say he does not want representation, what happens? >> you don't have to have a lawyer. if he says he does not want a lawyer, there has to be an examination determining whether or not that's a decision you make voluntarily. but given that's a serious case

ultimately a lawyer will get appointed for him. that doesn't mean there will be a trial. he could ultimately plead guilty to the trial. he can't plead guilty to a death penalty, that can't happen but you can plead guilty to the charges, and if that happens, there will be some issue about whether he can get the death penalty and advocate a hearing. there has to be a hearing determined by a jury to decide if you can get death. you can plead guilty to murder but if death is an option there has to be a hearing on that. he can't plead to a death penalty. but that's way down the road. >> this reminds me in so many ways of the timothy mcvey case down to the perp walk yesterday the stare in the eye of the individuals. i believe we have that infamous photograph of when timothy mcvey was waking out of the court after he was pulled over as well for a traffic stop after the horrific bombing in oklahoma city. timothy mcvey was convicted in 1987 for the murder of 168 people. he confessed as well to the bombing and he referred to his execution as a state-assisted

suicide. he referred later to those children who died in that bombing as collateral damage never claiming innocence or providing any other defense than that's what he wanted to carry out. we do not know if roof will do the same thing, but there are eerie similarities in the case already. >> absolutely. i think this person had a clear state of mind. he wanted to start a race riot he wanted to kill black people. that's pretty clear. and i would imagine that unless his lawyer convinces him otherwise or decides based on evidence there is a mental state here cha suggeststhat suggests he wasn't of clear thinking he will try to have diminished capacity. that will be hard to play out given the words that were said and the manner in which he conducted this. but it has to be looked at and the question i have is does this become a federal case a state

crime with no death penalty, or does it stay a state case with a death penalty. this is a decision that needs to be had by the state government and the federal government in the future. >> thank you, john burris. we greatly appreciate it. coming up the question of whether the massacre was an act of terrorism. i will talk to somebody who says, yes, it is and he will point to three factors of the law that qualifies this massacre as domestic terrorism under u.s. law. >> we gather to offer our condolences and to pray with and for the families of the friends, colleagues and family members killed in a senseless, tragic episode of domestic terrorism. >> also this morning, south carolina senator lindsey graham says his state should revisit the controversial confederate flag that is still flying high

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welcome back. the slaughter of nine people in a church in south carolina is sparking new debate whether the attack should be called domestic terrorism. 21-year-old dylann roof is expected to appear at a bond hearing at 2:30 eastern time. he confessed to wednesday night's shooting massacre that has south carolina in mourning and shock right now. the daily beast is calling for the mass murder to be qualified as an act of terrorism. he joins me now. you've written this from the perspective of not just emotion. we had congressman clyburn. any person i think, pretty much of reasonable mind would say this has to be terrorism. but you look at it from the legal perspective and why this would qualify under u.s. law as domestic terrorism.

>> actually. i think initially we all have the reaction this is a domestic attack. he drives to a church to coerce the african-american population in the area. i look at it from more of a statutory point of view. he killed nine people. the statute has two elements. two of the elements he's fulfilled. one, it happened in the united states. second it has to result in a human life being taken. those two fulfilled. there's only one element left? was this changing policy? his goal and the statements he said was to clearly intimidate and coerce the african-american population. this is domestic terrorism under federal law and he should be charged with that. that's not just political correctness and this idea that not all could be terrorists it's correct and it will save lifz lives. >> why do you believe it will

save lives? >> because we have to be on alert. the guy is posting white supremacist symbols and he's not the only one. others laugh it off or don't say anything about it. the law center did a study a couple months ago. every 34 days in this country a domestic terrorism attack has occurred or one has foiled. if you see something like white supremacist symbols, if you know the person reach out to them. we have to prevent people from being radicalized, which is the biggest issue. >> i want to go back to the statute you referenced under law. you pointed out acts dangerous to human life appears to intend to intimidate or coerce a civilian population affects conduct of a government by mass destruction, occurs primarily

within the territorial jurisdiction of the u.s. it plays into this statute. i do want to play a moment from jon stewart that's gotten a lot of attention where he discusses this as well. let's look. >> i don't want to get into the political argument of the guns and things but what blows my mind is the disparity of response between when we think people that are foreign are going to kill us and us killing ourselves. they're already using the nuanced language of lack of effort for this. this is a terrorist attack. >> and so you've now laid out what you see as the legal argument of it but you're also as we talked on a commercial break, muslim. and you point to the visceral emotional part of this. >> viscerally to me this was a terrorist attack. for many americans it was. we've seen sort of convoluted analysis on the right that maybe he's not racist maybe it's not terrorist, maybe he's

anti-christian. this is a terrorist attack. we have to be on guard from the muslim terrorists as well as the african-american terrorists and not be afraid there could be white people who are terrorists there could be brown people who are terrorists but let's not close our eyes. the government has to be on guard for all. against radicalization brown people, white people everyone. >> thank you for your time. we appreciate it. coming up, i'll talk to the former pastor of the church that was the scene of the massacre. and a little earlier today, the first lady shared her thoughts on what's happened in south carolina. >> we've seen too many tragedies like this and there is something particularly horrifying about something that happens so senseless in a house of worship. audible safety beeping audible safety beeping audible safety beeping

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a news conference discussing vigils and prayers that will be held throughout the day and over the weekend as well. we also learned within the last few hours that the man who has now confessed to that massacre dylann roof will be charged with nine counts in that state. the governor has also said that she would like to see the death penalty carried out in this case. he's confessed to a number of details that are extremely disturbing, including, according to authorities, dylann roof said he sat beside the members of that church for some time debating whether to carry out the act. his words were "almost didn't want to go through with it because everyone was being so nice." joining me now from charleston is attorney and former pastor of emanuel ame. thanks for joining us.

>> thank you for having me miss hall. >> because the pastor was your friend and many of the people are your friends. how does this detail of what is just absolutely an unimaginable state of mind when this young man says he sat there, and they were so nice to him, he debated not carrying out his, quote, mission. >> yeah, and with all due respect, miss hall i must say that we're not too concerned with the state of mind of this individual individual, but that is indicative of the type of man that reverend pinckney was, that is indicative of the way this church and many church families throughout the south operate. churches are a place of worship. they gather together for a singular cause and common good with open arms. just on bended knee in prayer. and my friend the friend of many throughout this commuter he died in service, not just service to his constituents but

on that night, unfortunately, he died in service to his lord. >> what are you telling those who have come to you for comfort or for words to -- i don't know to help them keep going? i've seen so many tears behind you, i've seen so many hugs and people from all walks of life trying to understand. >> well i may not be the best person right now, miss hall because i'm still crying. i've said this often throughout the last few days i'm only 30 years old, but we're burying people left and right. we just buried walter scott a month ago, and some people don't like the comparison but it is what it is. it's tamir rice it's eric gardner, it's mike brown, it's trayvon martin. and this is just my personal perspective. it's these nine people who died in the church behind me.

and the reason being because now, add these nine to the list of people whose lives i want to carry on this journey. and hopefully my goal in life is when i get done with this journey, wherever the lord has me order my steps, these nine will be able to say job well done. >> you say you don't like the comparison people have made between mr. scott and what's happened there. what are you referring to? >> well walter scott was gunned down and slain by -- as an unarmed man by a police officer. here we have a gentleman who went in and callously killed nine people. the similarity for me lies in the fact that we have these people, these people of color, these people who when i look in the mirror look like me who were robbed of their human dignity. and that's a problem. and that's what weighs heavy on my heart. >> thank you so much for joining us and i know that it was very

difficult for you to talk with us today. we do not take it lightly that you found the courage to continue to speak in the middle of all of your pain as well. thank you so much for joining us. >> thank you miss hall for shedding light on this. >> pastor steven singleton joins me now. he was pastor of the emanuel church from 2006 to 2010. pastor pastor, thank you so much for your time. >> thank you for having me. >> you will have people from all denominations come there together and people around the country who come together and pray from different churches and different faiths even. you've been a counselor and you've had experience for many years as a clinical chaplain as well. what are you telling people today to comfort them? >> i'm letting them know that this attack was not just on people, this was an attack on god. and at a time like this even though mr. roof's intentions may have been to drive people away from god, this should drive

people of faith toward god. he is the only hope to get us through this and we have to believe that god is still in the midst of this and in the end, god's goodness will be revealed. >> how do you describe what this country, the world, lost when those nine people including your dear friend pastor pinckney were killed? >> how do i describe it? i describe it as an act of terrorism, as an act of hatred. i call it evil. and that's what it is. but i do believe that our response to it makes all the difference in the world. we can't allow one person's hatred to make us bitter to stir up a mob, or to make more trouble. there's no need making a bad situation worse. we have to be in prayer for those people who are hurting, the families that are still here. we have children that still need to be provided for, and that's what our emphasis should be

upon. not on getting angry and hateful. we have a system in place and we have to give that system a chance to do its job. >> you mentioned the children. what do you tell the children? how do you explain to them what happened? >> well first and foremost you listen to the children. they are extremely honest and they will be honest with their feelings, they will be honest with what they want to say. we listen to them and we respond accordingly but we respond with love we respond with care. we try to give them the reassurance that there's still more good people in the world than evil people. if we're people of faith, we share our faith with them that god is going to help get them through this. that's how you do it. >> thank you so much for your time. we greatly appreciate it and our thoughts are with you as well as that congregation that you led for so many years. thank you. >> thank you. coming up the charleston

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we don't have all the facts but we do know that once again innocent people were killed in part because someone who wanted to inflict harm had no trouble getting their hands on a gun. >> and we are going to focus on that one person. i know that president obama had his job to do when he made those statements, but my job is to now get the state to hale. >> that was governor nicki haley responding to the president's words on gun violence another gun violence in this country. shannon is an activist for guns in this country. shannon, now we have a situation where it appears a parent purchased a gun for this child. in this case roof is 21. we saw at sandy hook the mother purchased a gun for her son with a history of mental health

illnesses here. if sandy hook did not move the ball forward in this country, could what happened in charleston move the ball? >> here's the deal. the same congress we had in place the day before sandy hook is the same congress we had in place the day after sandy hook. this is a congressman that is be holden to the gun lobby. the gun lobby has been insidious for nearly three decades in this country and they've been unopposed. their idea of guns for anyone anywhere, any time no questions asked is there vision for america. and after sandy hook moms said no way. we are going to stand up and we are going to demand now change for charleston. it is time for americans who have sat on the sidelines to stand up and say, we aren't going to allow this to continue in this country, and it will continue unless good people stand up and say, we can't do this anymore. >> so even though this new mantra of change for charleston and we saw the similar tone after sandy hook no more look at these young lives taken from

us, we still have these loopholes, and for example, in south carolina there is this loophole the private cell loophole that came up in sandy hook because an individual can and say i want to gift it to someone in our family. this loophole provides someone like roof to acquire a gun even though a situation was pending in court regarding felony possession of drugs. >> yeah. that's what makes our country so dangerously violent compared to other developed nations. unbelievably easy access to guns for anyone. these loopholes allow that. 40% of all guns in this country are sold without a background check. we have gone in and we are closing the loopholes a the state level. we are having huge success and we are winning. we blocked 40 bad bills this year that the nra supported at the state level. we need congress to act. >> part of the group moms demand action. coming up this morning south carolina senator lindsey graham says the state would revisit the controversial confederate flag

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as mentioned a few times this hour south carolina senator and presidential candidate lindsey graham sans his home state it's time to reconsider the symbol the state uses of the confederate flag. jonathan capehart has been writing about it opinion writer for the "washington post." jonathan, there are some people who say the confederate flag should be seen as the swastika. >> as what? >> like the swastika. >> oh, yes, no no yes. completely. and you know when a protester during the government shut down a year or so ago showed up in front of the white house bearing a confederate flag i wrote that, you know, the confederate battle flag is no better than a swastika. it is a symbol of hate a symbol of treason, and i -- i hear people when they say that it is a symbol of southern heritage, but it's not a symbol that anyone should be proud of.

>> let me make sure i'm correctly quoting senator graham. he says it should be revisited i'm not sure what he means by that in great detail. i believe it was pointed out today that the south carolina flag's at half staff but the governor did not have the legal authority to lower the confederate flag. >> right. that is correct because in the compromise that got that treasonist flag removed from the capitol dome it had to be moved to a confederate war memorial near the capitol dome. the flag cannot be lowered for any reason because it is afixed to that pole. it can't be raised or lowered. and if that flag is to be removed or lowered or anything done to it you have to get -- i think it's two-thirds majority vote in each chamber of the state assembly to do it. >> wow, jonathan we'll see where that debate goes. so many things to talk about. we have to keep our focus on the nine lives lost and those many church members who will forever grieve what happened there along

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leaving you free to focus on what matters most. right now on "andrea mitchell reports," confession. 21-year-old dylann roof telling authorities he is the gunman responsible for the charleston church massacre. today what we are learning about the killer's stunning admission. sources say roof told police that quote, he almost did not go through with it because everyone was so nice to him. but he ultimately decided that he had to quote, go through with his mission. >> this is the worst hate that i've seen and the country has seen in a long time. we will fight this and we will fight this as hard as we can. also healing in the holy city the attack costs the lives of nine innocent people ranging in age from 26 to 87.

leaders of this community, people of faith, targeted in a sacred place. mother emanuel in the heart of charleston. >> for what did you pray, may i ask? >> for comfort and healing and understanding to those who have suffered in a way that most of us can never imagine. i don't know how they get through this but we all love them, they will. good friday to you. i'm craig melvin in for andrea mitchell. we are live in charleston south carolina, where residents are reacting to news today. according to sources that dylann roof has confessed to the mass shooting at emanuel ame church behind me that left