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brutal shooting. he joined church members for an hour for bible study and gunned them down killing nine people including the pastor. they opened their sanctuary as someone who took advantage of their kindness. today they open their doors again on the path to healing and forgiveness. churches across the city of charleston will be ringing bells in unison at 10:00 to honor the victims. we may be learning more about the gunman with the discovery of a web size using dylan roof and his mother's home address. they can't confirm if he wrote or posted comments on the site but we can tell you it includes dozens of photos of the confessed killer as well as racist and hateful speech aimed at plaquesblacks and jews and they are working on the assumption that he is responsible for this website. let's begin this morning with

msnbc's adam reece in charleston. can you tell us more about what we are finding out about this website. >> the website is very dark. it shows his hateful and racist views and photographs that are provocative, stepping on an american flag and burning an american flag. i want to read to you quotes from the website. he said the effect that truly awakened me was the trayvon martin case. african-americans are stupid and violent and segregation is not a bad thick. i hate the sight of the american flag, people pretending like they have something to be proud of while white people are being murdered in the streets. charleston is the most historic city in my state and had the highest ratio of blacks to whites in the country. this is being called a healing service. there about 400 people expected in the church and it is expected to be full. they are remembering the nine

lives lost. their hearts are heavy and they will move on as best they can. steve? >> in charleston, south carolina, thank you for that. amid the vigils and prayer services in south carolina there was this rally in columbia, south carolina. thousands gathered to urge state lawmakers to remove the confederate flag from the ground of the state capital. the republican governor and state lawmakers will likely deal with the issue in the coming months. >> 15 years ago the general assembly had a conversation. the republicans and democrats and everybody came on a consensus to bring the confederate flag down off of the dome and they put it on a monument out in front. that conversation will probably come back up again and what we hope is that we do things the way south carolyneolyninians do. be kind about it and come on

what we are trying to achieve and how we are trying to do it and the state will start talking about that again. >> talking could start in december when the state legislature reconveens. as we reported on friday night, republican state representative is now vowing to introduce legislation to remove the flag from the capital when the legislature returns to session. this morning we learned that a second republican lawmaker in south carolina also said that he would support removing the flag. representative brandon joins us live from greenville, south carolina. thank you for taking a few minutes this morning. i appreciate it. i wonder if you can share with us your thinking and i know you were close friends with the state senator who was killed. what thinking led you to say it's time to take the flag down now. >> thank you for the question. it's been time to take the flag down. i simply can't let the senator's

death go unrecognized. this flag must come down. it is a divicive symbol this this state and it really has no business on the state capitol grounds. it should have come down five years ago. that's how long i served in the house. i should have filed this bill five years ago. >> have you spoken to other -- there is one other republican state representative who said gary clear said he wants to come down. are you hearing from other colleagues in the gop as well? >> yes. i had about 23 fellow republicans have vowed to support the bill. i can't suggest they all vowed to cosponsor as judge cleary has, but yes, i heard from a number of republicans. and obviously democrats as well. >> do you expect because this is an issue that has been in south

carolina state politics the way it has been for decades now. do you expect the end is in sight now when it comes to removing that flag from state capitol grounds? >> i won't use the word expect but i'm hopeful. i hope and i pray that the senator's death gets us to a place where we should have been a long time ago. i am hopeful and not ready to say expect. >> so what is the time table? the legislature is out until december is that correct? they won't reconvene? is there any way it could be revisited before december? >> no i don't believe so. we are technically still in session because we haven't finalized the state budget yet. we are operating under what is called the resolution that gives us limited options as far as what we are able to do. we don't actually go back into session until january, but there is a prefiling president in

december and that's when i intend to file this piece of legislation. >> i wonder if you can speak about the role over the debate that the flag has played in politics. as i have beened are reading up on this, i can't remember who it was who said look this is an issue that every politician in the state is scared to tackle because they might lose the primary and the general election. i think david beasley had been the governor there about 20 years ago and he lost his seat because of the issue. can you talk about the significance of this flag debate to politics in south carolina. it's a fraught issue. >> i am certainly aware of how politically divicive the issue is. i will tell you new gary cleary has made his desires public. i spoke with him on friday in my home and i told him not to cosponsor the bill. i told him look i'm willing to

risk my career but not anybody else's. over the past 15 years, it has become a less deadly issue from a political standpoint. wednesday night, that point was driven home. i hope we can have a conversation and the supporters will not lose their primaries. i am more concerned with doing my job than keeping my job. if they lose in a primary, i'm fine with that. >> i want to ask you, the doors are opening again at emmanuel ame church. you knew and the served with the reverent and the senator. your thoughts on his legacy as a person. the man you knew. we will give you a chance to share your thoughts on him.

>> thank you so much. i didn't know what i would say until friday afternoon when i saw the bond hearing. he had that big booming skprois that ever present smile. when i heard them speak to the shooter about love and forgiveness and about giving his to christ it kind of donned on me even more so how impressive of a teacher senator pinkney was. he taught his parishioners love and forgiveness and salvation. each one stood up and expressed the lessons they learned from senator pinkney. can you imagine what an incredible teacher that man was? that's the person that he is and was and i want the people of the united states to know about. watch the bond hearing and you

will see my friend senator pinkney. >> doug brandon who will introduce the legislation to remove the confederate flag from south carolina. thank you for your time. >> thank you. >> and the debate over the confederate flag is playing out on the presidential campaign trail. the candidates are saying and what prompted them to weigh in. it might surprise you. that's after this. your dog's definitely got your back. but who's got your back when you need legal help? we do. we're legalzoom, and over the last 10 years, we've helped millions of people protect their families and run their businesses. we have the right people on-hand to answer your questions backed by a trusted network of attorneys. so visit us today for legal help you can count on. legalzoom. legal help is here. i take these out... ...to put in dr. scholl's active series insoles. they help reduce wear and tear on my legs, becuase they have triple zone protection. ... and reduce shock by 40%.

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. mid-romney the 2012 candidate adding to that pressure tweeting it should be taken down. as comments forcing many in the 2016 republican field to weigh in on the issue.

jeb bush posting on facebook he believes south carolina should do what florida has done and put the flag in a museum. that is a sentiment that president obama shares. how to address the confederate flag is clear. following a period of mourning there will be a discussion about how they will move forward and i'm confident they will do the right thing. marco rubio said the people will make the right decision for south carolina and i believe in their capacity to make that decision. the next president will not make that decision. that's for the people to make and i think they will make the right one like they made in the past. the ohio governor said this is up to the people of south carolina to decide but if i were a citizen, i would be for taking it down.

the last thing the people need is people from outside the state coming in and dictating how to resolve that issue. talk about the politics of this we have with us msfbc contributor and columnist at the post. burns is political reporter with real clear politics. the reaction is here. let's dissect these. bush pretty much came out and said look, this should come down. here's what i did. i assume he thinks he did the right thing. they should put it in the museum. what do you think should happen here? it didn't sound like you want to show that question. >> i can't believe we are having this discussion. that symbol is two things. a divided america and racial oppression. i can't believe that anybody still is standing up and say

this should be flown in the way it is. it belongs in a museum and i can't believe we are having an argument about it. i'm proud of governor romney for taking leadership on this. you can have an opinion. >> romney had this position for a while. this was not something he came back and said yes to. maybe it cost him votes, but it's leadership. i was thrilled to see his tweet because they said they would put pressure on the republicans in the field to say something about this. i echo everything that you say and i will be stronger and say just to make it clear to people the confederate flag is no better than a swastika. if you want to curdle the blood of an african-american and a family and people who care about them just fly the confederate

flag in front of them. during the shut down, the protesters who moved from the world war ii memorial to the pennsylvania avenue in front of the white house and there was this man who unfurled a confederate flag. we had this conversation for decades now. if there is anything to come out of this the country can focus on what the confederate battle flag is. there is none of this let the people decide and don't let outsiders come in. we know what this thing is. put it in a museum and let everyone heal. >> put it in context and the numbers. this might surprise people. this is an nbc news online survey. this is fairly specific in how

they conducted this and it's from a couple of weeks ago. americans divided. 49% say they see it as a symbol of racism. 49% said they see it as a symbol of southern pride. look at the gulf among republicans. they say this is southern pride and not racism. democrats the other way. racism, not southern pride. i am looking at the statements of the candidates and three to one saying it's southern pride. this is a delicate thing. >> this has come up and south carolina is the first in the south primary. this has come up before as a state versus federal level. i think that we are seeing such a ground swell i think we are going continue to see the public just react to this. it has a visceral reaction to it. really to your point about really understanding what exactly this is.

some people said i didn't even know this was flying in south carolina. mid-romney knew what he was doing. he posted all of these candidates in utah for a summit. he knew this would spark a debate. as the candidates travel in the next few months i think we will see that. >> this sounds like based on what we had in the first segment from south carolina this is probably going to come up in south carolina in december. this is going to be basically getting close to the eve of the primary. you think back to 2000 when it was and john mccain. there were boycotts taking place and this was the race in 2000. i am not going to tell the people what to do. they had john mccain and he came out after that and saying i wasn't giving you the truth.

i had a different opinion on this. >> like i said at the beginning, i can't believe we are still having this discussion. i understand that there folks in the south that have a lot of pride in the history of the confederacy, but leaving all the race issues aside, it's a symbolism of a portion of our country that tried to seceed from the union. is that something we should be clinging to so strongly? >> what is to be proud of this? what's to be proud of this battle flag with this murderer with a gun. why continue to support something like this? that's what i don't get. i don't understand why this shouldn't be a conversation that starts and ends with yes, take it down. >> it seems like this has the movement that nicky haley, the governor of south carolina. she wasn't saying we need to

have the discussion before this. you have two legislators coming forward now. they feel in the immediate wake like there is momentum. >> when they were running for reelection this came up and she said it should stay. we will see such a reaction from the public and seeing all of these front payments with this. i really think that people are going to put prosh them. i wonder how much the public will put pressure on south carolina as a state. that will be interesting to watch. >> great businesses too. businesses in south carolina and it makes a push to attract businesses to come into the state. that may make it tougher too the longer the flag is there. still ahead as we await this morning's healing service as e man youual ame church we will look at politics including launch week. was it a success or a turbulent take off or was it both or

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something to look for tomorrow. the pot cast and marc maron got to find out he got to interview president obama in his garage. that was in california. the white house called him up and said you know what the president would like to talk to you in your garage. they actually taped that and marc maron is there and president obama on a pot cast. >> it's called wtf. >> this administration's plan of basically leapfrogging us to the washington press corps and going to the people who reached millions of people every week or every day. he did between two ferns and to get young people to sign up for the affordable care act. i think he sat for more than an hour.

>> there no commercial interruptions. it's straight conversation. they talked about charleston and they talked about politics and comedy. they used to be he had a political radio show for a while. it's one of the interviews that you are so used to seeing politicians on shows like this. other shows with a very formal and precise -- a much more conversational interview that has that potential. >> for reaches so many people and again, we like that the president comes to the press core and talks to us and engages with us. i can understand. you want to reach and you have a couple of years last and you want to reach as many people as you can. that father's day interview is interesting talking about how he gets to spend more time with his

family. they are there and the girls are growing up. i think that touches people in a way that they don't necessarily get to see. >> i have a podcast too. we had 200 downloads that the president would like. >> we will work it out. let's take a look at "the washington post." another headline the nationals's max scherzer throws a no hitter after. you think a no hitter this is a great event for a pitcher. you see what happened. look at this. >> the ball hit deep to left and going back and max scherzer has a no hitter. >> that's the good part. that's where it becomes -- let me explain. that was the final seal with the no hitter. before that he was worried about a perfect game.

no hits. nobody on base for any reason at all. there was a hit by pitch. the batter before that was grazed by the pitch and gets first base for free basically. it's no longer a perfect game which is a step above no hitter and a near no hitter. it's fantastic for everybody in baseball. we have a no hitter but it's not perfect. >> how rare is a no hitter? >> i'm being told -- i will answer the question later, but adam reece is in charleston with the mayor standing there and we will take you to that right now. go ahead. >> good morning. i'm with the long time mayor joe reilly. thank you for joining us. we are calling this a healing service. tell me about if you speak, what you might say and how does the

holy city move forward? >> the city is moving forward with love. it's palpable. all of our citizens and people of all colors and backgrounds. people say they can't stop crying. the outreach and the people who are donating money of course. but coming to events. the events we had around the community have been completely biracial and so we move forward with that and this bad person was not from here. he came here to kill black people. the charleston problem, we had the horrible result of that. these nine beautiful people being killed. this hate was hatched elsewhere. that is something we need to better understand and shine sun light on that.

>> this is not a charleston problem. you have been in office for a number of years and you worked so hard for progress. talking about an african-american museum. what were you thinking when you heard about what happened here? >> well i knew. my heart was broken. people told me that we had a shooting at emmanuel and he said there fatalities. this was the first report. i knew the minster well and i presumed he was not there, but it turned out he rushed back after the session. it was just so devastating. and unbelievable. that this would happen and that some person could come in there and sit for 45 or 50 minutes in the bible study and pull out a gun and say i'm going to kill you. it broke our hearts in

charleston but it's broken hearts in america. i talked with people from across the country who called me. this is an unspeakable tragedy and it's sad, but the fact is that this is not something that was hatched in our community. this bad guy came from 110 miles away. >> you knew for many years since he was a child. me about him and how he will be remembered. >> he was a wonderful man. he was tall and had a deep voice. he was soft. gentle and loving. he was a great public official. everyone admired him and we worked together on community issues. recently i was proud to be the honorary cochair of the fund-raising effort to get an elevator for them. >> that's why he was here that

day. to deal with the elevator. >> we had a press conference sometime ago. he was here and came back for the bible study. that's the kind of pastor he was. he was hands on. you know pastors are like that. and certainly and especially in the african-american churches where the pastor over generations is not only dealt with the spiritual congregation but it has been there go to person for whatever. and that's what he was. they loved him and i loved him and my heart is broken as anyone else. i can't believe that we don't have all these beautiful people in our community. because of this awful man. >> they say this morning they are going to try to move on. how do you move on?

>> you move on by working to make the future better. first of all, we make sure with families we are never going to leave them. as long as they are around. we are here to support them. we help them through this and the funerals and we are raising money, but we are never not at their side. this community, that's one way we do it. then there things we can work on. we have to do something about the proliferation of guns and then to work with everyone and including the department of justice to shine light on these hate groups. they are not hid nen a closet. the first amendment allows you to think whatever you want to

think, but if they are spewing the stuff, they have to at least explain to the neighbor they really hate somebody because of their race. they are going to say you are crazy. you can't believe that in america today. and for us we are working on the museum which will be a nationally significant place. that will help because what we need to do in america is better understand african-americans. it was never taught. the more we understand the heritage of the african-american brothers and sisters, the better we understand america. >> thank you, sir. our condolences to you and the city. we expect the service to begin in about an hour. back to you. >> thank you for that and again the mayor is there from the city of charleston. he has been the mayor of that city of about 130,000 people for 40 years since 1975. he is actually not seeking reelection this year.

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united states of america. >> and with that it became official. jeb bush is in the race for president. bush's first week takes him from miami to new hampshire. the first in the state where he leads in some polls and also to iowa. the first state that will hold a contest next year. not doing so well in the polls there. he tried to show a more humorous show. helping jimmy fallon to slow jam the new it is. >> i am looking forward to discussing the issues that are important to all americans and having spirited debates with my fellow republicans about how to solve them. >> you don't want to mess with little jebby. when it comes to debating he's a master. >> bush also making a pitch to social conservatives at the faith and freedom summit on friday reminding them that he stood with terry schiavo as

governor of florida. his roll out was not without bumps. he said he didn't know what was on the finds of the charleston shooter despite numerous reports. he later said the attack was racist and the economy would grow a 4% rate for a decade under his watch. it's a claim that the economists say is practically impossible. overall did jeb bush get what he needed to get out of his official campaign launch to discuss? we are joined by congressman john davis. thank you for taking a few minutes. we have been talking about it as a theme on this show. comparing jeb bush right now to george w. bush when he first ran in 1999 and how the party just united around him in the first six months of the campaign and not really see with jeb bush. do you think his roll out this week that announcement speech in florida, has that changed the

dynamic with how the party is reacting? >> no i don't think so. it was a good roll out, but trump gotti think as much publicity on his roll out. this was a crowded field. bush represents the establishment in a good party of the base's anti-establishment. it's tough for him. he is in the fight and has a lot of money. this is a long long road at this point. i am not sure he gets nominated. >> you say the anti-establishment move and i keep thinking the dame bush, coming out of the george w. bush pedestrian the name bush is almost like a perjorative quality. the government grew on george w. bush's watch.

>> bush stands up there with obama. the base of the republican party moved more rural. the republican constituency is a different group than represented today. they say they dominated over a 28-year president. it's not impossible for him. he had a great record as governor. he may be doing better. they have the common core issue and goes against a lot of the party base. it's possible for him to be nominated, but this is no cake walk at this point. curious what you think. i will give them credit. i have not been impressed. he is a little too laid back and

whatever. i thought the speech he gave on monday, there was a lot more energy than i have scene and a lot sharper speech. >> i was wondering how they were going to do it. he has been running for months. trying to reenergize was a big order. separating himself from his brother and his father. at least demographically and all of that. i was in new hampshire for his first town hall earlier this week and inside he was trying to introduce himself to people. a lot of people know the bush name but not jeb. not only on the iraq war, but economic issues. we saw a lot of venue and

protesting against common core. that's another issue he has to deal with. not only trying to expand beyond that. >> mitt romney played the role of the establishment candidate and you guys had to get him through the primaries. all these threats from the base. jeb bush is trying to navigate a similar path. are you seeing it for them? >> he had a very, very strong announcement. as far as what you want to accomplish on an announcement day, he did everything he needed to do on that day. this is a very, very strong field. mitt was more running against a weak field. it was important to coalesce the donor community and the establishment republicans and you could put a majority. it's tough in the field where you have other who is can claim

to the establishment mantle but have a stronger appeal. and the open collar shirt and not waring a suit. no mention of the word bush. he is trying to distance himself. >> they want to get away from washington. i remember when he quit the senate and he stopped waring the tie. he still wore the jacket. no longer was he there. tom davis, and he is trying to unite the establishment with the conservative base. we talked about his problems there. do you see anybody this this field or perspectively in this field looking to get in who has the potential to hit that sweet spot where they are acceptable enough to the base. the establishment said this is

someone that we should nominate for president. >> rubio and walker. christie. they all plant a foot down with the other groups as well. probably walker and rubio are well situated at this point. bush does not own the establishment. there is a bush fatigue. a lot of the new people are going with other candidates and trying something else. the difficulty for jeb bush is despite the fact that he had a great record as governor there is an element in a party that pushes the mute button. >> it's an amazing dynamic when you think of that. how eager they are. the former congressman, appreciate your time this morning. still ahead as we continue here this morning, it's a new day in more ways than one at emmanuel ame church reverting to a house of worship from a crime scene

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publicly acknowledged the existence. he is playing hard to get. draft sarah palin and ben carson got in. >> sometimes they answer the call. >> i do still think it's interesting that the sitting vice president. >> a sitting vice president and this what they had before. less than four days after that shoot ing shooting we will show you what's going on on the other side of the break. we have a full hour of news and politics straight ahead.

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thanks for staying with us this sunday morning. we are looking live right now at the scene at emmanuel ame church in charleston. that church opening doors this morning for services for the first time since wednesday night when a young man gunned down nine people during a bible study session in a racially motivated attack. as that city tries to heal the sanctuary morphing back from crime scene to house of worship. going to msnbc's adam reece in charleston. adam? >> good morning to you. the service is about to begin in about a half hour. i want to show you the front door and people arriving not only from charleston, but around the region to remember the nine lives lost. it's a healing process. they say today here in the holy city their hearts are heavy,

but they will get through this as best they can. i had a chance to talk to the mayor who has been in office almost 40 years. here's what he had to say. >> they say this morning they are going to try to move on. how do you move on? >> you move on by working to make the future better. we make sure and we met with families yesterday, we are never going to leave them as long as they are around. we are here to support them. we helped them through this and the funerals and we are raising money and all that. we are never not at their side. >> this is just a tremendous out pouring of grief. when i was done speak, he told me off camera everyone he talks to, they just cannot stop crying. steve? >> adam reece in charleston. we will be monitoring that service throughout the hour. as we do that we will turn to this country's debate over gun

laws along national dialogue. it has been revived once again by wednesday's brutal attack and as president obama has after past masterings more than 14 time, the president saying this week it's stricter gun laws would save lives. >> we need a change in attitude. among everybody. lawful gun owners and those who are unfamiliar with guns we have to have a conversation about it and fix this. and ultimately congress acts when the public insists on action. >> the debate also prompting reaction from many of the men and women hoping to replace president obama, but even if the voting public insists on action as it has said in polls in the past will that result in actual concrete and effective legislation. will anything be different?

a democrat from pennsylvania who was the vice chair of the house gun violence task force here at the table. jonathan cape hart and the reporter with real clear politics. let me start with you. we can put the polls up and we talk about a lot of gun control measures whether it's background checks and things of that nature. we seem to poll well, but it seems the politicians who don't do anything about it and vote against it they never pay a price for it. is there any reason to think that dima'amicynamic will change? >> the public will be very dispointed that if you roll the tape back days i'm on the house floor with the amendments that the republicans put out in the past that would allow a greater access to silencers and allow bullets to be sold. not only are we not moving in the right direction, we are

moving in the wrong direction. the bottom line is you hear opponents say it wouldn't have stopped this shooting or that shooting. woo he a shooting in philadelphia at a picnic where almost people were shot including a number of children. the reality is that because we have traffic laws there people who run red lights. it does save lives. it does have post people trying to obey the law. we know that gun control will provide a safer society and something else those of us making the decisions, look at what we do. you can't bring guns in and you checked. we know how dangerous guns are. we legislate that you can bring them in schools or colleges or some states allow them in churches and on and on and on. as if you know they are god's gift. really guns are a danger and more dangerous when they are put in the hands of people who have

hatred in their heart or are mentally challenged or unstable. guns themselves are part of the problem. >> it seems politically that there is a certain futility to this. i start to wonder you think of newtown and sandy hook. 20 children gunned down in a school and background checks come up in congress and nothing happens. you think of aurora and you think of going back 20 years to columbine. i guess the question occurs to me over and over again. you look at these and if 20 dead children in sandy hook wouldn't stir congress to action is there anything that possibly would? >> action is taking place at the local level. efforts put together by my friend the mayor and mayors around the country have organized themselves and communities are getting more engaged because of relief is not

coming from washington but it is starting to build at a community level that more needs to be done. the mayor just announced the major gun buy back program in new england. we have to work harder at this and we can't give up. we need the demand as part of the debate. i was so happy to see hillary clinton come out strongly in favor of reasonable gun control. you won't be able to take a gun in here and hear the reports. we need to demand that the people making these decisions protect us as much as themselves. >> do you think or do you expect we will be hearing about this on the tam pain trail or is this something we hear about in this week immediately after charleston and stop hearing about it? >> both. as a nation, we move on to the next shiny object. i think on the campaign trail, they do have to talk about this.

hillary clinton and her speech at the conference of mayors fantastic on the host of issues. 20 children slaughter in an elementary school shocked the nation. 90% of the american people supported background checks and congress did nothing. it failed. skng entlaled to the nra. this is where i disagree with the president when he said the american people rise up and push congress to do something, congress has to listen. that's an instance when they didn't listen at all. >> but i think -- >> the special interest in this case with the nra. >> how many congress men who voted against the background checks in the wake of newtown, 90% said they supported it and how many lost their seats? that's the thing that -- >> how intense is that and how

focused is that? if it were 90% who were focused and we have to have that they would be losing their seats because of it. >> the sentiment we are seeing is the high number of people that want the killing to stop. they don't know the solution. nobody is proposing something that actually is a real solution. there is a frustration for those that are responsible gun owners that when things like this happen, all we talk about is gun control. how about the fact that these are crazy people and there signs that they are going to do crazy things and nobody does anything about it? this young man, i saw a story that one of his black friends said i don't think he hates black people. i think he hates humans. there were signs that this guy was troubled and something was wrong and he was on the edge and nobody does anything about it. nobody says anything about it. hillary talked yesterday about

mental health and qualifications qualifications. how do you determine that and where do you draw the line between what doctors are allowed to disclose about mental health. there is a lot of complicating factors and the passion you see is people don't want to see people getting killed. >> part of the solution is not to say that you had to have a miracle cure for everything. there might be drivers who break the law, but they can try to make the road safer. hundreds of thousands of guns provided easy access to in this country and automatic weapons and bullets. there places where responsible gun owners can agree and they do agree we should have background checks for all sales of guns in

that the congress will act on this is the real problem. we can't just say can we do something about mental health challenges? that doesn't mean we should back away from a demand and reasonableness in gun registration. reasonable gun control in our country so that you don't have automatic weapons or semi automatic weapons provided to people who should not be able to have them. >> the democrat from pennsylvania. we will keep you updated on the services as they unfold in charleston. another religious leader rerifs debate on another divicive topic. the details are on the other side of this break. stay with us. when my back pain flared up

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>> this is the scene inside emmanuel ame church in charleston just 3 1/2 days since that horrific shooting there. the doors of the church have reopened and services will be beginning there shortly. we will be checking in throughout the morning here. another leader is making history with his call to action this week on climate change. >> this hope has dare i say been a miracle for humanity. he makes me very conservative on economic issues and that he spoke out on climate change is extraordinary. >> the hope is on the environment energizing democrats and putting republicans in a bit of a tough spot. for years the gop has been cut

vat vating cath rick votes. among church going catholics, romney beat obama by 15 points. the pope calls on them to curb climate change. they can side with the pope and risk angering their base which is skeptical of global warming or they can go against the leader of the catholic church. there five catholics vying for the republican nomination. jeb bush marco rubio and bobby jindal and chris christie. >> i hope i'm not going to get cast gated by saying this, but i don't get economic policy from my cardinals or my pope. >> i think that we probably are better off leaving science to the defendants and focussing on

what we do and what we are good at. theology and morality. >> the author of a radical quote in the issue, plus being a columnist columnist. the hope puts republicans on the spot and what we are hearing from the candidates so far is to this thanks but no thanks. does he have a chance to change that at all? >> i don't think he is going to change their positions, but i think he is going to create some second thoughts and doubts at the grass roots. if you look at ross in the "new york times" a conservative catholic. he took this very seriously and tried to interpret it in a certain way. he didn't try to interpret a way how strong the pope's witness is on climate change. i think what you are seeing here

are an awful lot of conservatives who in the past very recent past said the church and religion should have a major roll n public life and with the person for the poor and the environment, suddenly we are supposed to make religious a private matter. they show jeb bush out there and he said exactly the opposite and it was wrong to put faith in a safe deposit box until you finish the service. a lot of people are switching sides as to what the church should say. >> they talk about them being a

radical. the most devout catholics and most likely to attend services. how is this pope when he weighs in and how was it going-over in the church. >> one of the great services some people who left the church because they thought was on the conservative side. a lot of things i remember about the church and& they have the numbers that are changing. they also have an effect on the grass roots. it was progressive broadly speaking. they gave a climate change. what the hope was doing is opening up space in the church for people like that friend of

mine who is a priest. to say things that the congregation is going to hear about this. pope francis is very popular in the polls among all kinds of catholics. they know how good he has been for the church. >> his approval rating was 86-4. from "the washington post," that's great to be with you. we are looking inside emmanuel ame and services to start within minutes. first in the meantime hillary clinton weighs in on the tragedy in charleston and we will play the speech for you. here's a preview. >> despite our best efforts and our highest hopes, america's long struggle with race is far from finished. to your darkest hour ♪ ♪ and i'll never desert you ♪

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live at the services getting under way in the ame church in charleston. reopening to worshippers less than days after wednesday's brutal shooting. we will keep an eye on what's unfolding. they are receiving word dignitaries are present including nicky haley, the governor who is inside the church as you are looking at the live shots right there. also presidential candidate rick santorum is on hand as well. other prominent leaders likely there as well. # we are also talking about how that is revived. here's what hillary clinton had to say yesterday. >> nine faithful women and men with families and passions and

so much left to do. as a mother a grandmother, just as a fellow human being, my heart is bursting for them. for these victims and their families and for a wounded community and a wounded church. for our country struggling once again to make sense of violence that is fundamentally senseless and history we desperately want to leave behind. >> hillary clinton making extended remarks yesterday in a speech to the conference of mayors in addition pushing for gun reforms. she is emphasizing the rule that race still plays in society. silence indicates we are not. this was the part that i thought we were going to play about

race. it's striking in a lot of ways that came down to the final months the candidate of white working class voters against barack obama. almost as if she was talking to that base yesterday and delivering a message of hate. there was a reckoning we had to face on racial issues. >> watching her speech and that section of her speech i found very, very powerful. i put it up there in terms of honesty with the american people. it's up there with candidate obama's about race. we have got to deal with this. this is a gun issue, but also a race issue. even now with this manifesto that appears to have come from dylan and everything that is said in there and everything we

knew about what he said before he clauterred the nine people we have a problem. i don't know if you can fix it but you have to address it. she said we have to stop ignoring it. it's more than just stopping someone from killing someone because they are motivated by hate. it goes to simple things when you hear the racist joke or the racist comment. saying something and the flooristflorist that followed her for 30 miles. here is someone who decided enough. we need more people like that if we are going to have any hope of at least moving in the right direction to change things. >> it's also part of a pattern we are talking about with hillary clinton and she is talking in a way that she didn't

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can we play again? yeah! . looking live inside emmanuel church and the service is now under way. we are calling this a healing service as the country as a whole try to recover from that

tragedy. >>. the call to worship is in your bulletin. i was glad when they said let us go into the house of lord. our futures stand within thy gates. >> because of the house of the lord our god i will soak thy good. blessed are they that dwell in thy house. i loved they habitation the place where the honor dwell eth.

oh lord my strength. >> may the joyful noise be all year and save graces. >> let us make that joyful noise as we lift up hymn number 450. blessed assurance. jesus is live. oh, what a full taste of glory divine. salvation and purchase of god. born of his spirit washed in

his blood. perfect submission sper fekt delight. vision ever of rapture burst on my side. angel descending and bring from above, echoes of mercy's whisper whispers of love. perfect submission, all is at rest and my savior am happy and blessed. watching and waiting, looking above, filled with his goodness lost in his love. the refrain said this is my story. this is my song. praising my savior all the day long. this is my story, this is my song. praise in my savior all the day long. let us all say with uplifted voice. jesus is mine. >> looking at live pictures of those services inside emmanuel

a&e church. they are now just getting under way. expecting a sermon and we will trying to bring you coverage. in the meantime we are juggling news from the world of politics. we have new poll numbers. "wall street journal" poll numbers. new polls about the presidential race. we want to share the numbers with you. this is the "wall street journal" poll that asked the question of republican voters could you see yourself supporting this candidate or not see yourself reporting the candidate. measuring how acceptable the candidates are to the republican voters. the one who does the best is marco rubio. 74% saying yes, we could see ourselves reporting him and 15% saying we can't. a difference of 59 points in the positive direction. jeb bush does very well in terms

of his rating and how acceptable he is a 53 point margin. when bush first got in the race the number was less than half that. he significantly improved his overall acceptability to republicans in the last few months. scott walker and mike huckabee doing well. ted more middle of the road. flip to the other side you can see where the numbers go in the other direction. rand paul and phi rinna and then you get into the bottom 66% of republicans said they can't see themselves supporting donald trump. george pi tacky and chris christie. maybe john casic, not as much known about him. a lot of potential people and a swing state, a former congressional leader and 30% said they don't

supporting him. >> he deifies expectation among republicans. he was among obama and inexperienced in certain respects going up against jeb bush. he has proven to be competitive, but i wonder if we will see him reintroduce himself as jeb and not a bush. i wonder if we will see the impact of that. >> i didn't full low see the rubio thing coming. who could pete them? i see in the numbers, there seems to be manager for them and enthusiasm on the republican side. >> it has been a while since republicans had the opportunity

to look at a candidate of the next generation with real strong appeal within the latino community. he has a story that is very, very relatable. i teach a class at george washington university. i sort of did a poll with my students and they are post graduate students and they look at the candidates and marco rubio has a lot of appeal to them. they are most low democrat students and they lock at him and they think he speaks to them this a way candidates had trouble. there is something special. they said something new and different about the republican party. >> he is hearing more from democrats and they look at the field. did they want to phase him and not phase him. the one where they have more often is marco rubio.

>> he is young and dynamic and latino. let's just take this same-sex marriage question. the ridiculous question would you go to a same-sex marriage ceremony of a loved one or friend. he actually answered it the compassionate humane way as opposed to the totally heartless way that rick santorum did. you put all of that and you have the generational divide. marco rubio is a republican nominee and hillary clinton makes it tough. hillary clinton said go with me i am the change candidate even though she would be the first woman president. >> it jumped out where she said she would not be the youngest ever, but would be the youngest woman president. >> rubio i think is the only one what can wage that historic

nature. he and walker and walker recently alluded to the fact that his supporters are suggesting that ticket. they appeal to multiple lanes and strike that contrast with hillary clinton. compared to the two, you have seen him be good on his feet. i think that's appealing to a lot of people. >> we say it's so rare for the republican party. it's rare to nominate someone under 60 years old. that's an unusual situation on the republican side. we will watch the healing service in charleston. take a listen to that before we go to break. >> individually and collectively. we come oh, lord realizing that had it not been for you, where would we be?

we thank you oh, lord for all of the blessings that you have given to us. we thank you for the blessing of life and the opportunity to serve in this life and to serve hume innity and to serve you. we just thank you, lord. we thank you for servants that you send our way. to give us guidance. thank you for those who serve in various capacities and ministries and the government. in homes. in schools. we thank you for everyone and for what each does. audible safety beeping audible safety beeping audible safety beeping

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arose and he lives. christ lives and because he lives we too can live. thank you lord for jesus who came and told us and gave us a spiritual map that we find ourselves to a greater and a better place. for we realize our father that this is not our permanent tweling place. we are only here for a shored while and after a while, it will all be over. thanks be to god. jesus said i am going to prepare a place for you and when your room is ready, i'm coming to get you. our loved ones were victimize and they have gone on before us but we are behind them. we will be going also one day and when we get there, oh, what

a joyful time it will be. when we all get to heaven. >> services as you can hear and see there under way this morning at charleston's emmanuel ame church. we will be returning to that church shortly. as we say, balancing on the news and politics going on in the world. we will turn back to bernie sanders, diagram democratic candidate for president. also with note on the 5,000 people who a tended and the biggest campaign rallies of anyone's campaign so far. look at that wide shot. 5,000 people showing up to see him in denver and bring the panel back in here. this is a theme with bernie sanders and the events of south carolina and nevada they had to move the location because of too

much interest. i was in burlington and his hometown, a city of about 40,000 people. they had 5500 people. huge grass roots interest and the million dollar question. he was filling up 15,000 seat arenas and people were looking at this and this guy will get 5, 10 15% of the vote. something big is going on there. they haven't had an open race. they are wanting to have this debate and the other thing is there is a certain amount of accessibility to his campaign. hillary clinton has been hosting events, but there were small orchestrated and very designed.

they have this feeling of just come on in. i do think for democrats who want to participate, they don't think he is going to be president, but they want to be involved. democrats and independents go to republican events to scope out the field. there is an accessibility to his campaign. you can look at the race on the numbers and you say overall hillary clinton is 40 or 50 points ahead of him. we did see in gnaw hampshire that had him within points of hillary clinton. he hooy is from vermont and there is a lot of overlap right there. that caught my attention. >> it could be an out liar. hillary clinton is still ahead, but no denying that the reason why he is getting the crowds he

is getting is because his message is tapping into a feeling and an anger and wj r within the democratic party base that has been there since the collapse of 2008. he is angry at the banks and thinks they should be punished and a lot of people believe that. in a political environment when someone is saying the things thaw believe in your head and your heard, of course you are going to go out there and hear that person articulate your feelings. the question is in your ralph nader example, the question is once it am cans time to go to the ballot box and vote when it goes from a voluntary hey, let's go see this person speak to now i'm actually pro actively making a call. it gets to be a little different. 15,000 people up for

ralph nader translated into 2% of the vote and, you know a george w. bush presidency. >> that's not really the point now. the point is there is a lot of dissatisfaction with hillary clinton. she's not speaking to a pretty significant segment within the democratic party. and the interesting thing is you know, he's not a big celebrity. he's not an incredibly charismatic speaker. he's bernie sanders and people coming to see him. i think she's going to swing farther than she wanted to swing in order to sort of capture that. and i don't think it's really about election day, i think iltst's what happens between now and election day but she and her campaign are going to do the changes they're going to make which are going to cause some heartache. >> we were talking about her speech that she gave yesterday

in response to charleston. one of the things she played up in this speech is gun control. the interesting thing there is bernie sanders, we think of him as the most left wing guy in the world on everything. not on guns. bernie sanders has a political philosophy, and i think this comes from being from a rural state, vermont, and he says they like their guns they cherish their guns. he does not want to be seen as threatening their guns and he wants to be put in this -- hillary clinton has got her left on that issue. >> everyone is talking about how bernie sanders is pressuring hillary clinton to move to the speech and it will prompt us to say, well senator sanders, where are you on guns? it will force him to answer those questions. >> howard dean from vermont when

he ran in 2004, that was one of the trip wires for him as well. he was opposed to gun laws. >> here's where martin o'malley comes in. there is this kind of primary within the primary of martin o'malley, and we just haven't really seen him. this is an issue where he came out with a very strong letter to supporters. so i think that is such a fascinating part of this primary. >> as usual, we don't think of martin o'malley until the very end. anyway i want to say thanks this morning to all of you. appreciate you being here. we want to show you the ame church in charleston. that's where sunday morning church services began a short while ago. let's go there now.

>> our scripture reading --

at the top of the hour just a few minutes from now, all churches in charleston south carolina are set to ring their bells in memory of the victims of wednesday's shooting. we'll show you that live. we'll be back before the top of the hour to make sure you'll get to see that. you're not going to want to miss it, coming up just a few minutes from now. stay with us.

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were killed on wednesday at a bible study. the city's churches are going to ring their bells simultaneously. the bureau says charleston is often referred to as the holy city a place where church steeples, not sky skrarpz, dot the skyline. this sunday our bells will ring loud skpl proud toll proclaim our community's unity.