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realizing that earth has no sorrow. that heaven cannot heal. >> from the prayers to the tears to the amazing grace. you'll hear from family friends and strangers about today's service of healing. also today, a new search area for two prison escapees who vanished two weeks ago. hear what police have found. plus the new nbc poll who shows who's pulling ahead of the crowded field of gop candidates. hello, everyone welcome. it's high noon here in the east 9:00 a.m. out in the west. this is "weekends with alex witt." the sound of those church bells as charleston's emanmanuel a.m. a.m. church opening just four

days after a gunman shot its pastor and eight parishioners. hundreds filled the church under new security procedures. and praying for the victims and their families. >> we are reminded this morning about the freshness of death, comes like a thief in the night. but i declare that jesus said it a long time ago, said i am the resurrection and the light. >> worshippers also looked ahead to unity and forgiveness. hundreds more stood outside in the summer heat. many coming from across this country to remember the victims. they stood and listened as the service continued through the morning. joining me now is msnbc's tremaine lee who was inside the church for the service. tremaine, good day to you.

talk about the mood there. it is remarkable for us to witness. >> reporter: you used the words that were so appropriate in your intro about grace. and this community under such duress has shown great grace. in the tradition of black churches, death isn't necessarily a punishment life is not necessarily a reward and that every single day they embrace their faith. the preacher inside said while evil was visited upon this church and tried to force its doors closed that today was a show, and putting the evil on notice that this church will not close. and that if anyone expected this community and this church to respond in any other way than grace, then they certainly don't know this community or this church. so while the mood was certainly somber, just the floor below the sanctuary, nine people were gunned down in cold blood, the people within the sanctuary rose together in their voices responding to the preacher for his calls of not turning away from god, but turning toward god

in this great moment of tragedy. and so the mood was somber but they were celebrating not just in their faith because of the folks who lost their lives in the church behind us. >> i know people had to go through security procedures to get there. is there a belief that that will be a permanent state, or was it because of the recent incident and that won't have to stay that way? >> reporter: at this point, it's unclear. but if you talk to folks involved in this church and other churches around they don't want to throw caution to the wind at all. one odd moment is one of the ministers talked about, when we speak, let's speak in love. the juxtaposition between the love and the police surrounding the church in the upper tier guarding the congregants and attendees, it was striking. it's unclear what the plan is moving forward, but today there is high security. officers everywhere.

i think someone saying for the greater good. >> tremaine lee, thank you very much for your insights. we appreciate that. the reverend daniel simmons was retired and part of the ministerial staff. he was a victim of wednesday's shooting at the church. doctors at charleston's medical university hospital worked to revive him but the reverend passed away early thursday morning. we are joined now by members of reverend simmons' family his son daniel jr. and a welcome to you, family. we're so glad you can talk to us. we're so very sorry for your loss. >> thank you. >> i want to have you tell me about the reverend. he was the patriarch of your remarkable family. >> my granddaddy he was a great man. he was hard working, self-made, heavily involved in the community. he was really a giver. and he was very, very strong. very strong. we're very proud of him.

>> it's clear that he's strong. i should let people know i spoke with you before this broadcast began, and i'm absolutely impressed at your remarkable strength and composure to be here today to talk to me. daniel jr., your father as your daughter was saying very strong man, a war veteran as well serving in vietnam. in fact, awarded a purple heart after being wounded there. what led him to join the ministry? >> what led him was his love and his passion, his desire to serve others. and to be a part to impact someone else's life that did not have the opportunities to live or to have life. and without faith, you know the great thing about it is is jesus. it's love. he enjoyed giving. >> and he would be proud of you for sure. i know that your church reopened today. how important is that step to you, to your family the church family?

and we should note it has a history of never closing its doors, and it's able to hold sunday services today. alana, what does that mean? >> it's just a true testament of how true our word is. the church opening its doors, even after suffering the tragedy that it suffered is just like a sign to the community and to the world that no matter what we face we cannot be broken. >> you know daniel the reverend spent 30 years as a pastor. you talked about his calling. but as a father what were the most important lessons that he passed on to you? >> the most important ones is caring and serving. being a servant. as i said earlier, you know serving others. one of the great things i would like to commend the city of charleston for how everyone has come together how they have worked and how all of the different agencies have worked so hard to get the church back

open today, to allow service to continue and to show the world that this is about love. this is about just being a part of a unified effort. >> it is a unified family that we are all seeing here. you, daniel also your wife and then your daughters there. thank you so much. we are most impressed with you, and your faith, and the way you're able to speak with us today about someone you very much loved and obviously very much miss. so thank you. >> thank you. >> thank you so much. msnbc's adam reese is outside the emmanuel a.m.e. church. adam, you heard the family reflecting so much love and grace and compassion. what was it like inside the service for you? >> reporter: it was more of the same. not only inside alex but outside. really a city coming together looking for answers, trying to get through a difficult time trying to make sense of a senseless tragedy. i spoke with the mayor a little

while ago. he sat in the front row. here's what he had to say. >> broke our hearts in charleston. but it's broken hearts in america. i've talked with people from across the country. and this is an unspeakable tragedy. most horrific act. >> reporter: now it's a really powerful sermon. he said that they thought we would riot. they just don't know us. but you can be sure we will seek justice for the emmanuel nine. i want to point out, they will have bible service here on monday. alex? >> yes as they do every wednesday. again, this church well known and respected for never closing its doors. adam, can you talk about the group that gathered? yesterday it was a group of young, old, every single race and seeming socioeconomic community that was represented there. still the same today? >> reporter: it was. and it was even large crowd. black and white. but the crowd out here was mostly white. inside it was a mixed crowd. in the front row we had the

mayor, and governor haley, senator tim scott. in the 15th row, interestingly enough, you had a presidential candidate, rick santorum. there was lots of music and liturgy and prayer. it was a moving moving service. >> we are all one today, that is for sure. there's no distinction between any of us. adam thank you for that. later this hour we'll hear from a reverend of the second presbyterian church. he will tell us how important it is for the community that they opened their door for services today. that's coming at the bottom of the hour. the fbi is investigating a hate-filled website showing dylann roof holding a gun, and burning an american flag and standing in front of confederate history library. it includes chilling writings that lay out the motives for murder. we've not confirmed if he or someone else posted the contend. federal investigators are

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what's in a name? apparently not as much as jeb bush and hillary clinton may have worried. a poll out today finds that only 4% of voters say their top concern for the 2016 field is candidates from presidential dynasties. joining me now to run through the numbers, nbc news white house correspondent kristen welker. what are the big takeaways from the poll? >> reporter: good afternoon, alex. one of the big takeaways is jeb bush is standing among

republican primary voters has increased. according to primary voters 75% say they could support jeb bush for president. that is up from 70% in april. so welcome news from the bush campaign. in second place, marco rubio close behind with 74%. mike huckabee drops a little bit at 65%. then you have scott walker and rick perry. another takeaway here alex the person who gets the worst numbers, donald trump, 66% say they can't envision supporting him for president. he just announced his presidency, or his candidacy earlier this week. a couple of other numbers for you, alex on the issue of wealth. 12% of voters say that wealthy candidates is a top concern. and then i just want to circle back to the number that you pointed out, only 4% of voters say candidates from presidential dynasties is a top concern. this is going to be very welcome news to jeb bush hillary clinton, a lot of analysts thought their last names were going to be one of their biggest

vulnerabilities. turns out that might not be the case. >> interesting. can i pick up on the donald trump thing? he has yet to file his statement and papers of candidacy with the federal election commission. he made the announcement, but officially it has to go through that before he's an official candidate. >> reporter: very important point. he says he's going to do it. but we are waiting for that to happen. really important point, alex. >> i understand the president is heading back to the white house today after a very busy few days in california. he was able to sneak in a pretty unusual interview, though. >> reporter: he did. he did an interview with mark marron, who is a comedian who has a popular podcast. a range of issues came up. one very serious, the issue of the gun debate. president obama has revived the debate in the wake of the shooting in south carolina. of course president obama pushed for stiffer gun laws including extended background checks in the wake of the sandy hook shooting.

that never passed congress. president obama again saying it's time for change. he also acknowledged the political reality in this interview with mark marron. take a listen. >> unfortunately, the grip of the nra on congress is extremely strong. i don't foresee any legislative action being taken in this congress. and i don't foresee any real action being taken until the american public feels a sufficient sense of urgency and say to themselves this is thought normal. this is something we can change and we're going to change it. and if you don't have that kind of public and voter pressure then it's not going to change from the inside. >> reporter: "the new york times," the first to report on that interview, alex. the gun debate has been revived as well on the campaign trail. hillary clinton yesterday echoing president obama, saying that we need to have stiffer gun laws in this country, including expanded background checks. she invoked president obama's

name, said he's absolutely right. a very different story for republicans, who say now is not a time for politics. of course republican primary voters don't have a real appetite to hear about this issue, but when it gets to the general election this topic is a lot more complicated. this is something that democrats care about, and a lot of independent voters care about as well. so this could be an issue that bubbles up that becomes a hot-button issue on the campaign trail in the coming months. >> kristen welker at the white house, thank you so much. well today in charleston the people held a mourning service. what comes next is a search for solutions. republican >> the gun laws that were broken did not stop this monster, this killer from carrying out his acts. what i do know is that the gun laws that prevented him from bringing a gun into the church did not work. so looking for the right

legislative solution to make sure that it doesn't happen again, i think when there's that much evil in the heart, it is hard to think of the right legislative solution for that problem. >> joining me now is dnc chairman howard dean and assistant to george w. bush. guys, good to see you both. you just heard senator scott. advocates for gun ownership have the effective tag line. it goes as this. guns don't kill people, people kill people. yesterday i spoke to mark from the urban league and he said people with guns kill people. isn't that more accurate? >> well good afternoon, alex. i think that is accurate. but i think at a time when we haven't even had the opportunity to mourn for those who lost their lives, to mourn for the family members who are grieving the thing we shouldn't be doing is talking politics and talking

about gun control laws. >> i hear you, ron. but this is one of those issues i try to stay neutral on this broadcast and let you, democrats and republicans alike, but i'm so angry about this i can't see straight. >> alex i'm with you. >> i'm so angry that people have it be mourning the loss of life. there's got to be something we can do. i respect the fact that we have to all be allowing time for mourning and respect and love and remembrances right now. but after that period then what? >> well i don't think a gun control law like the president's proposed is a solution alex. you're talking about an assault weapon, which this wasn't it was a pistol. you're talking about a high capacity magazine. this was a pistol so you didn't have that. and of course the background check. the father in this case dylann's father improperly gave him a firearm. he shouldn't have had that gun because -- >> i don't think he gave him the firearm. i believe he went out and bought it himself. i think it was misinformation that he was given this gun for

his birthday. i think he bought it himself. >> but look at the president's proposal, would he have been caught in a background check. we need to find a way to keep these mentally ill people off the streets to do horrible things. >> and guns out of their hands. >> and guns out of the hands of those criminals, no question. >> governor president obama said in this podcast, that gun reforms just aren't going to get through congress. they didn't get through after 20 children were killed in newtown. they're not going to get through after nine people were killed at a bible study inside a church. where is the disconnect when you have 90% of the american population saying they want to see something done? gun control, something, anything. what's happening? >> first of all, let me strongly disagree with ron's arguments. we've had two years to mourn for the 20 kids who were killed in newtown. so to say we shouldn't do politics at this time because we're in mourning is nonsense.

a lot of people have been mourned in the last few years, aurora, colorado et cetera et cetera. the president is doing exactly the right thing. we need background checks and need to stop the loophole of gun shows. look, with ron's attitude and the others who are -- make this argument with him, we'd have 25 more september 11ths. you know we did a lot of stuff in the background after september 11th, to stop it from happening again. so far, knock on wood it has not happened again. this is a national tragedy. it's a national disaster. our policy is screwed up because politicians are afraid. i think maybe in the next congress -- here's what's going to happen. what's going to happen is the republican party once again is going to be branded as far right and unreasonable and extremist because of things like this. and eventually we will get a congress that wants to do some reasonable things about it as bill clinton did when he was president. >> isn't that somewhat damning

for your party, ron, to be branded in the way that the governor suggests? >> of course. i would say to my friend howard dean, and he and i cut up and get along quite well -- >> we do. >> we do. we need to have a long conversation on this. when i worked on capitol hill for now ohio governor john kasich he was in favor of an assault weapons ban. >> there was a bill that went down four months after the sandy hook massacre. >> look alex -- >> bipartisan. >> i think that was a strong bipartisan piece of legislation that should have passed. it should have gone to the president's desk. i think there is a reasonable balance that you can have by making sure that you have a background check, by making sure that certain high capacity magazines aren't in the hands of these folks. this is not for hunting bambi, this is for killing people. i think a lot of politicians need to own up to that fact. >> howard last word to you. >> i appreciate ron's move to the center on this. and as joe mentioned, and pat

toomey showed you can get to the middle on this. you've got to give congress the backbone, and who's responsible for that is the voters. you can't say, as the president did, as long as the nra has a grip on congress we can't pass it. it's our job to break the nra's grip on congress. i was endorsed by the nra eight times in vermont. but they've moved so far to the extreme right that i'm embarrassed by that. they are a trouble-making group of people who feed extremism. we ought not to allow that any further. >> howard dean ron christie, i appreciate you both. good to see you guys. still ahead, more from the a.m.e. church in charleston and the healing service there. i'll talk to the pastor of the second presbyterian church that is just blocks away from emmanuel.

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with alex witt." ♪ you can lean on me ♪ >> inspiring sounds of the church choir as charleston's emanuel a.m.e. church opened to worshippers this morning, four days after a gunman shot and killed its pastor and eight parishioners. hundreds filling the church under new security procedures, and then praying for the victims and their families. >> we are reminded this morning about the freshness of death, comes like a thief in the night. but i declare that jesus said it a long time ago, he said i am

the resurrection and the light. >> the reverend also said quote, god has sustained us and encouraged us. let us not grow weary. hundreds more stood outside in the summer heat to remember those who died. joining me now is the reverend of the second presbyterian church two blocks away from emanuel. how important do you think it was for the entire community to have officials at mother emanuel follow through with service this morning? >> i think it's absolutely essential. if there's anything that we as a community of faith can do, is to do what we do. which is to gather together to offer support. you know there's something about the human condition in great moments of joy, or great moments of sorrow that you feel this need to come together. so i think it's essential that they did. >> it is remarkable the concept

of forgiveness. how does this play into the grieving and healing process? >> as long as -- at least it's been my experience as long as we hold in those feelings of hurt and anger and resentment then basically what it does is it poisons us. so to be able to release that to forgive someone is something that is so difficult, and we believe in the community of faith that you can't do it by yourself. but to release that that's the time when all of a sudden you experience healing. when you experience a refreshment that you can't know otherwise, as long as you're harboring those toxins and that poison. >> at this morning's mother emanuel service, we saw police officers guarding the front, and also on the outside of pews. meanwhile, i read reverend that your church decided to get security cameras. you have implemented new safety protocols at the church and the preschool there. how do you balance the need to protect your congregants without

excluding anyone or presuming that a new face may be there to carry out an attack? >> well that's the task. and that's the tension. the truth of it is the safety protocols are things that people should have anyway in these times, i believe. cameras are something that's a fact of who we are, and what we need in terms of being able to monitor who's around our properties. and whatever we can do to ensure the safety of our children, of course, we will. but that being said the one thing that we will not do is we will not be afraid. the one thing that we will not do is we will not exclude people from coming in. so will we be prudent? yes. will we seek to not be foolish? yes, we will. but will we still invite people in and allow people in as we have? yes, we will. our services -- midweek things will start up in the fall. we have a bible study that's been going on four 20 years that invites and welcomes in you

people. young families get together and sometimes we have dozens of children running around the church on wednesday evenings. will we invite people to be a part of that? yes, we will. but it's a tension we'll face day by day. >> you have congregants of the a.m.e. church congregants of your pes by ter yan church different philosophies to varying degrees with how religion is interpreted. it sure feels to me like there's one soul one heart, one approach speaking today in charleston. do you feel that way, reverend? >> oh absolutely. absolutely. when i look around and i look at how the rest of the country in different communities have responded to situations like this, not only do i feel fortunate, you know we would say we're blessed, and we are, but it's also because of what we do. as i said our community, we do a lot of things together. we worship together a number of times during the year. we do projects in terms of service to the community together. we attend breakfast and baseball

games together. there is an african-american church that was spawned out of the first presbyterian in 1848. it's getting to know people's names, getting to be involved in people during the week not just on sunday. that's how you come to know each other and be responsible for each other when things like this come up. >> well reverend thank you very much for your insight there. >> thank you so much. >> we'll talk about the investigation into the mass a car and why the fbi is focusing on one particular website in this case. the manhunt for the suspects accused of killing a new york police officer has ended just hours ago. police arrested 33-year-old travis boyce accused of shooting an officer saturday morning as he was being brought to jail. >> our prayers and our condolences are with the family. our prayers and our condolences are with all who love him.

i've known him for 23 years. i worked with him in early years. he was a personal friend of mine. great police officer. >> police say travis managed to move his cuffed hands from his back and fatally shoot the officer. it's still unclear where the gun came from as holloway's service weapon was still in its holster. he was being transported on an aggravated assault charge you can now add murder. law enforcement officials are focusing their latest efforts near the border of new york and pennsylvania for the search for two escaped prisoners. what can you tell us about the new search area? >> so far today, there are no other possible sightings of these two suspects. and right now, that search area is centered some 350 miles southwest of the clinton correctional facility. they are looking for richard matt and david sweat. road blocks are up. and residents are being warned if they see the men, not to approach them because they are very dangerous.

in friendship new york it seems there were as many police as people. someone in this town of 2,000 phoned in a tip saying they saw two men matching the description of the escapees richard matt and david sweat. spotted on railroad tracks that run along route 20 yesterday afternoon. county and state police responded quickly. blocking off roads, having drivers open their trunks. while up above, choppers helped search for the two convicted killers. friendship is in allegheny county, next to stuben county where last weekend there were two other possible sightings of the men. one in irwin, walking along a rail yard and another in lindley, headed to the pennsylvania border. >> the woods are dense. some of the back roads lead into pennsylvania from there. >> reporter: this comes two weeks after matt and sweat sweat using power tools cut their way out of the maximum security prison and ed skapd through steam pipes, eventually coming out a manhole.

the two are now on the u.s. marshal's most wanted list. >> the u.s. marshal has cast a wider net around the world. we're reaching in areas that are vulnerable or we believe there's been intelligence gathered. >> there is a correction officer who has been put on administrative leave. he spent most of yesterday speaking to investigators with his attorney. and the clinton county d.a. said late last night that that officer could face charges of facilitating an escape, and promoting contraband in prison. >> ann thompson with the latest thank you, ann. perhaps the most controversial president in modern history, a new book details the life and legacy of richard nixon. i'll speak with the author next. nobody told us to expect it... intercourse that's painful due to menopausal changes

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nixon addressed the nation for the last time from the white house. >> to continue to fight through the months ahead for my personal vindication, would almost totally observe the time and attention of both the president and the congress in a period when our entire focus should be on the great issues of peace abroad and prosperity at home. therefore, i shall resign the presidency effective at noon tomorrow. >> let's bring in evan thomas author of nine books, and former editor of "newsweek." his new book has just been published. we congratulate you, and thank you for joining us. >> thank you alex. >> was there one thing you learned that made you sit back and say, wow? >> well you know he's the most

unusual politician because he's a shy, lonely guy who became one of the most powerful politicians of the 20th century. his electoral record is up there with fdr. i was fascinated by how this shy man could do it. how did he overcome his fears? he didn't totally overcome his fears, because it drove him from office. but what i found about him that was so interesting to me is he wanted to be positive. he wanted to be upbeat. he would write late at night, make notes to himself using words like joy and inspiration and confidence. these are not words that we associate with richard nixon. >> yeah. >> i mean the sort of cartoon view of him is really dark and bleak. he could be dark but he wanted to be a better person. and i was fascinated by that clash between the aspirational nixon and the nixon that finally defeated him the guy who lost. >> you write about his writings and you talk about his aides having referred to just a regular yellow pad that he would take with him as his best

friend. but what is it? because you also chronicle a very awkward exchange with jackie kennedy, obviously after her husband had been killed when he was attending a funeral. and then he's able yet to go and speak in eloquent terms and inspirational ones with global leaders. what is that disconnect? >> yeah i mean you know we've all experienced this at parties or cocktail parties where we blurt things out that we don't really mean. jackie kennedy, he ran into her at martin luther king jr.'s funeral and said mrs. kennedy, this must bring back many memories for you. ah! just painful. he did that kind of thing all the time. he was very awkward. sometimes he couldn't speak at all. he would just kind of twirl his hands. i think we can all relate to that. what's harder to relate to is how that person won the greatest -- one of the greatest landslides in history. >> it is extraordinary how that happened. in one chapter, you write about what led the president to order

a break-in at the brookings institution to steal back the pentagon papers. you write, there is something puzzling about these repeated outbursts. the pentagon papers may have seemed like a crisis to nixon but a manufactured crisis. what did this tell you about his personality? something that was manufactured? >> he was haunted. he thought he had enemies everywhere. the cliche even paranoids have enemies. nixon did have enemies. the east coast establishment, media establishment, which i used to be a part was out to get him. they really were. the kennedys were out to get him. he wasn't wrong about that. but he way overreacted. he took his fears, and by magnifying them, and by having aides who were a little too willing to carry out his orders sometimes, made what was a bad situation much worse. and that finally defeated him. only at the very end as he was leaving the white house did he say, really his last words leaving the white house were

don't hate your enemies too much or it will destroy you. i read that and i felt like crying out, too late. didn't you see -- couldn't he understand that earlier? >> i don't know if the word dignity is appropriate here but there's something about that when you write that mr. nixon's refusal to cash in on the presidency, he refused to sit on corporate boards didn't want to accept speaking fees. did he mellow out in later years? is there a certain dignity or respect that should be afforded to him for not cashing in? >> he's remembered from the famous clip where he said i'm not a crook. actually nixon was not venal. he made terrible mistakes. when we got out of office he never gave a paid speech. he wouldn't take speaking fees for his speeches because he thought it was -- it was not dignified. nixon was a fighter. he was disgraced and yet he did come back.

he became a kind of elder statesman in his old age. he's an amazing guy. he had a lot of courage. he was weak in some ways and fatally weak, but he also was brave. >> well given your past and your ability to write, i know this is a winner of a book "being nixon: a man divided." thank you, evan for spending time with us. >> thank you alex. i really appreciate it. ahead, more from the a.m.e. church in charleston south carolina, where hundreds gather to mourn the lives lost there last week. can your make up do this? covergirl introduces makeup with super powers. new outlast lipstick. long wear super powered by moisture. the super sizer the new mascara you twirl on to super size your lashes and your eyes. and new stay luminous foundation stay naturally luminous all day. makeup super powered. from easy, breezy, beautiful covergirl.

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>> she's a highly intelligent animal. she will kill anything that moves. >> oh god. >> "jurassic world" is distributed by universal pictures which is owned by the parent company of msnbc. joining me now, entertainment reporter nikki novak. even just the music. it even starts with the fascination. what is it with this "jurassic world," nikki? >> i saw the movie and when that music came up in the beginning, i felt the same thing. i had chills. it is like jaws. it's one of those movies that you just hear a few beats and you know exactly what movie you're about to see. >> is it making all this money because they're loyal fans or because it is really just that good? >> it is a couple of things. first of all, you've got that loyal fan base. you've got a lot of people seeing it for nostalgic reasons. a lot of people said i remember seeing this movie when i was a teen or whatever. here it is coming back. it also has gotten tremendous word of mouth for how well the movie was actually -- i think it

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♪ jesus said ♪ >> hope and healing. the south carolina church holding its first services since a deadly shooting rampage with a message heard across this nation. >> our spirits may have been crushed but we're not broken by any means. standing tall, knowing god, you'll never, ever leave us alone. >> hear from the charleston community as it comes together after so many lives changed forever. possible sighting. a dramatic turn in the search for two convicted killers who escaped from a prison in upstate new york. and beating the heat. it was supposed to be a day of fun with a 1,000-foot slip and slide but the paramedics were called in. we'll explain why.

hello, everyone. welcome to weekends with alex witt. it's 1:00 p.m. in the east 10:00 a.m. in the west. here's what's happening right now. sound of church bells as charleston's emanuel methodist church opened its doors four days after a gunman shot and killed its pastor and eight parishioners. hundreds filled the church under new security procedures and then praying for the victims and their families. >> we are reminded this morning about the freshness of death. comes like a thief in the night. but i declare that jesus said it a long time ago, he said "i am

the resurrection and the life." >> worshippers also looked ahead to unity and forgiveness. events to show solidarity are planned throughout the city today. hundreds stood outside that church in the summer heat and many continue to still gather there now. joining me is msnbc's tramaine lee who was in that service. another good day to you. talk about what you heard inside that church. >> thank you, alex. i think what came through most clearly to me was a message from the preacher who said if evil thought they were going to turn us away from our faith and turn us away from god, it had the opposite effect, they'll be running toward their face and embraceing god just is the way these nine congregants and the reverend of this church were doing, studsdying the scripture and the message of christ an forgive forgiveness. so many gathered here in this searing heat to join and lock arms in their faith and call for more resilience in the face of

such tragedy. one of those people mrs. brenda tiller from sumner. we talked earlier. you said you felt like you had to be here. why did you need to be here today. >> >> yes. i just feel sorry for the family. my heart just go out to everyone involved. i needed to be here. i'm that close, i just wanted to be here. >> if ever a community needed to come together in faith and resolve it seems like it would be this community. >> yeah. >> can you speak to what you think the prospects of that are of happening? do you think thn community can pull together? >> yeah. proof is here. you got people coming from all over the world. yeah. i believe it. i believe in god and i know it's possible. it's going to take a while but we're going to heal and i hope this tragedy, i hope it bring people together. i know there's a lot of wrong in the world but i'm hoping this

right here is proof positive that we're good people. and we just feel sorry for the families. >> the families obviously we don't know what they're going through but can you imagine what it must be like? what do you think those families are going through right now but also to see folks coming together? >> i really can't imagine. i know it's hard for the mother to see her son get gunned down and laying in his blood. i know i probably couldn't do it because i probably would have jumped up and probably could have got killed myself for it. thank god she had enough sense though to lay there with her grandchild with her. i just feel sorry for the family. don't know any of them but i just feel sorry for them. >> alex i think as you observed from mrs. tiller this is certainly a community bonding together in grief and they're hoping they can pull out of this together. >> i want you to thank miss brenda for us for speaking with you. also i got the opportunity to speak with reverend daniel

simmons' family. i'm absolutely in awe of them and their ability to move forward with grace and dignity and unity despite losing the patriarch of their family. it is a testament we are all learning from on this sunday. thank you. one of the victims of the shooting reverend daniel simmons, again a member of mother emanuel's ministerial staff. the 74-year-old pastor was the victim in wednesday's shooting at the church. the doctors at charleston's medical university hospital worked to revive him. however, the reverend passed away early thursday morning. let's listen to part of my conversation with the reverend's family earlier on this broadcast. >> the church opening its doors even after suffering the tragedy that it suffered is just like a sign to the community and to the world that no matter we face we cannot be broken. >> i would like to commend the city of charleston for how everyone has come together how they have worked and how all of the different agencies have worked so hard to get the church

back open today, to allow service to continue and to show is the world that this is about love. this is about just being a part in a unified effort. >> inspired grace right there. simmons had regularly attended sunday services and wednesday night bible classes at mother emanuel since his retirement as pastor in mt. pleasant south carolina. msnbc's adam reese is outside of the emanuel ame church this church. talk about with whom you've spoken outside of that church today because there is an incredible sense ever unity there. >> reporter: absolutely. they're still coming by the hundreds in song and prayer. they're all looking for answers just trying to make sense of it all, trying to get through this very difficult period. i spoke to the mayor a short time ago. he's ready to look forward. >> you move on by working to make the future better. first of all we make sure we met with families yesterday and that

we're never going to leave them as long as they're around. we're here to support them. we help them through this we'll help them through the funerals we're raising money and all that but we are never not at their side. >> reporter: it was a very powerful and rousing sermon today. he said that you thought we were going to riot. you obviously don't know us but we will certainly seek justice for the emanuel nine and alex i just want to mention the bible study class from last wednesday we remember what happened, well, they will resume that class this coming wednesday. >> bunch of brave people there. thank you so much adam reese. now to the latest on the investigation into a hate-filled website allegedly owned by dylann roof. the website contains images of roof including him burning the american flag, as well as standing in front of the confederate history library. it also has more than 2,000 words in which the writer rails against several minority groups. the fbi is working under the assumption roof is responsible for the content of that site but

nbc news has yet to confirm that independently. joining me now, nbc news contributor clint van zandt who's also a former fbi profiler. clint, with the welcome to you, my friend. this site is registered under roof's name. it's got his mother's home address. but it doesn't necessarily mean he's the one responsible for the content. from your experience, is it likely that he is and what does this tell you? >> number one, i think it is alex. if you and i go back to stories we have covered, ted kaczynski used 35,000 words in his manifesto to say why he did the terrible things he did. the shooter at virginia tech as you recall made a video and sent it to nbc and other places. the shooter in norway who killed 70 people went on for thousands of words. the university of california santa barbara killer used a youtube video. now we have this young man allegedly posting pictures and reasons on the internet.

alex, we call this -- we used to call it psychological leakage. the bottom line is someone who's going to commit a terrible act like that it's like violence in the workplace, they don't just snap. this is one who thinks about it who plan who develop a weapon a target. but more important, they tell people, they make pictures they post it on the internet. and our challenge is that we don't take somebody at their word. we don't believe. we think this is just an angry frustrated person instead of a mass murderer-to-be. >> so do they know what they are doing is wrong? are they crazy, insane whatever moniker you want to put with that. are they trying to justify what they're doing? >> number one, i think they're trying to justify. number two, i think these are people who likely -- these mass murderers are likely people who have never had anybody to listen to them. they may not necessarily have had a platform to stand up on

and to rail at the community to share their ideas. people blow them off. so all of a sudden this anger, this frustration, this rage this failure in life becomes this volcanic emotion. now a lot of people experience these similar type emotions and never pick up a gun and kill people in a bible study. so we're still trying to differentiate but we know the danger signs and we know the people that if we hear these things, we should be trying to do some type of intervention. >> in terms of those signs, clint, you've got some of roof's friends, they're describing him as a loner. quiet. i know plenty of people who are introverts quiet, and they're not going to take a gun and mow people down. does it surprise you that he has that description? >> roof also allegedly told a friend or a neighbor that he was going to go into a college and shoot that college up.

>> college of clarlstonharleston, right down the road. >> right down the road. why did he change his mind? some suggest he thought that might be too hard a target. we see these mass murderers, too, alex they go into where they don't think there's going to be law enforcement. they don't think there's going to be a force that they can overcome. and all of a sudden that gun becomes the great equalizer to him. but in this particular case we have this individual telling someone i'm going to commit this horrific act. we know he had a gun. we know he's got this other issue of drugs. so many of the time we find individuals with drug usage and all these other character aspects that says there's a potential. it doesn't tell us who the absolute killer to be is. but it says there's a potential that somebody parents, school community, mental health somebody should be doing an intervention to take that psychological pulse and see how serious that person actually is.

>> clint, given your time working with the fbi, what is the fbi doing right now? >> yeah. well one of the things they're doing is looking at this alleged website. they are looking at his pictures. they're trying to find out, alex, is this someone like we've seen individuals in united states who fall under the influence of isis? is this someone who is just based upon what they read on the internet, what they hear other people say, are they doing it themselves? are they the purpose that they're acting out? or is this somebody who's not only acting under the influence, but perhaps under the direction. the fbi and law enforcement has to assure itself that this was one more lone wolf domestic terrorist. let's call him what he is. this guy committed a terroristic act in this country. whether you do it under the flag of isis or whether you do it under a flag that is unique to

south carolina, we have to be find these people we have to identify them we have to interview them and we have to say, are you really serious about doing this? let's have -- we talk about having a conversation on television all the time. somebody should have had a conversation with this guy to find out was he really going to put his hand on that trigger of the gun that he just bought in april and act out like he threatened to do like he promised to do. >> okay. clint van zandt, as always many thanks. a symbol of heritage or hatred? the debate intensifies over the debate of the confederate flag in light of the massacre in charleston. will it be taken down? that's next. it took tim morehouse years to master the perfect lunge. but only one attempt to master depositing checks at chase atms.

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rid of all the confederate flags. it is not going to make any difference. what's going to make a difference is do we change people's hearts and minds. i think the people of south carolina should really sit down and have a very intelligent discussion about what can they use that captures their heritage captures the heritage of america and allows them to co-exist in peace. >> that was republican presidential candidate dr. ben carson in a new interview this morning weighing in on the debate over the south carolina continuing to fly the confederate flag 150 years after the end of the civil war. for days after the massacre at emanuel a.m.e. church in charleston. joining me now, james peterson director of afrikana studies. james, you wrote an incredibly powerful column nearly brought me to tears, frankly, reading it about everything that's happened

this week. you in fact wrote your reality is fractured. can you put charleston in perspective for us? >> i'm still working to put it in perspective for myself. i think all of us are trying to do that. seeing our coverage today of what's happening at emanuel a.m.e. is really powerful and really encouraging. but the reality is alex is that because the way in which we cover these things and we take a look at all these issues as they crop up, you start to see the patterns and you see the sort of ways in which the shooting this past week is connected to other iterations of white supremacy and structural racism in our society. this shooting became overwhelming for me in that particular moment. i vacation in charleston a lot. i've done research there. i love charleston south carolina. it is a beautiful city. there with the tony morrison society when they placed the bench right there. there's all these tremendous historical sites.

i love south carolina. i do. i understand its history and i understand the impolice sitlis implicit racialized atmosphere. to think of that carnage so violently pronounced there it was hard to wrestle with every o the course of the weekend. i got to be honest i am still wrestling with it. >> senator, you hear james talk about charleston and its beauty and historical significance and all of it. talk about what your state is feeling this weekend. >> well we went from a period of grief to healing. i think you and the world has seen we're doing it with grace and love and hope. and i think it will lead to some thoughtful reflection as we get about our daily lives in the weeks and months to come. part of that reflection is how are we going to bring about positive change in south carolina. i know when we get back to columbia in the senate we will

be discussing mental health issues. we'll be discussing guns. and we'll be discussing the placement of confederate flag on the monument on the state house grounds. >> in terms of that flag james, you heard dr. ben carson saying it is really hearts and minds that matter. that would seem a much more difficult task than just taking down the confederate flag but is that where the country can start? >> i do. i think we have to understand this is a nation of signs. we all believe in sort of the symbiotics of our culture. to say that the confederate flag doesn't have significance or doesn't symbolize certain things doesn't make sense. american flag symbolizes things so the confederate flag symbolizes certain things. what people need to understand is that the confederate symbolizes to me is the enslavement of my ancestors, the displacement of them, destruction of their families. that flag symbolizes that so the

symbiotics of it is really important. south carolina with the large african-american population that's there they need to think about how that affects everyone in the state. >> jeb bush says put the flag in a museum. that's what they did in the state of florida. what role does the confederate flag play in the heritage in the mindset of present day south carolinians? >> for many it does still represent the history and heritage but every year in our budget we fund the confederal relic room and i think the appropriate place for the flag would be to move to the relic room with other sim bombs of the confeds rascy. it was put up on the state house grounds in the '60s when we ancestors who fought under that flag came back from the war, they didn't seek to raise the flag pen. flag then. it was put up in the 'sefbs70s in the era of jim crow. it was put up for all the wrong reasons. the town is ready to move on. we reached a compromise several

years ago to move it on to the state house grounds by the monument but in reality it needs to move off of the grounds and to an appropriate place where it can be the symbol of history that it is. but it is no longer a symbol of authority or sovereignty. it is a symbol of history and needs to be moved where we view historic things in a museum. >> senator, can that be done? is this a politically huge partisan issue? >> you know that remains to be seen. the democrats are all of course going to vote to move it to a place of history. it is going to take some leadership on behalf of the republicans who are the majority in our house and our senate and the governor of course and our congressional delegation are republicans. i hope that they'll come around this issue. there is a certain partisan divide on this but i think now is the time to look forward, look positively into the future of south carolina and let's see if this isn't a time that we can make that change. it will take a two-thirds vote though and that's a tough hurdle in our body. >> we'll be watching to see how

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these passenger ships are not going to be the biggest in size. so are passengers going to be more squeezed in? >> they're going to be morpe densely packed on the ship than the actual largest ship in the world. but what the company has said is they're seeking to use the space on the ships more efficiently. they are actually going to build the cabins the rooms similar or larger in size than their current ships. they say they'll have more balcony cabins so people will have those luscious views of the ocean. >> that's nice. >> yeah but the inside spaces they say will be more than ample. and while they haven't gotten into what that means, to me it means there will be fewer -- smaller size of public spaces and maybe more multi-use fa facilities facilities. >> very quickly, liquefied natural gas. that's how they're going to be powered. that's different. >> that's different.

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welcome back to "weekends with alex witt." ♪ if you lean on me ♪ ♪ jesus said you can lean on me ♪ >> the sound of the church choir as charleston's emanuel

methodist church filled the church under new security procedures, then praying for the victims and their families. >> reminded this morning about the freshness -- fierceness of death comes like a thief in the night. but i declare that jesus said it a long time ago, he said "i am the resurrection and the light." >> he also said god sustained us and encouraged us not to grow weary. hundreds more stood outside in the summer heat many coming from across the country to remember those who died. joining me now, former pastor of the emanuel a.m.e. church steven singleton. reverend, a very emotional day for you, and many others there

in charleston today. how do you, sir, feel about the church opening its doors just four days after the attack? >> well it's a step that they feel the need to take and but it's just the first step. the first step is normally a tough step. but they have an incredibly long way to go but they're sending a message that oppression and hatred cannot crush the gospel and they're going to press their way and go forward. >> reverend you were the pastor of that church for some time so when you heard about this shooting, what went through your mind? >> i was absolutely crushed, devastated. of the nine people who died eight of them were people that i knew. one of them was a very very close friend of mine. so yeah i've been in a little tailspin myself for the last few days. >> i can about imagine. how does the whole community of charleston, as you face as you say, the long road to healing,

how does the community completely recover from this tragedy? or do you not? do you carry it with you? >> well you never lose it completely. but you gain healing through being faithful and that's the message that i shared with my congregation today. you have to be faithful and god will reveal his will his goodness to you, because of your faithfulness. and so if they are faithful and they stay the course they will realize goodness out of all of this. >> how do you do that though? i have put myself in the shoes of those who have survived this attack and lost their loved ones. how do you get over the anger? because i don't know that i could. >> you have to get over the anger because that's the only way to heal. holding on to the anger is only going to bring you down. i was so proud of those people on friday in the courtroom who could utter the words i forgive

you. they already understand that if they hold on to it it will be a burden on their necks and the shooter will have fulfilled his will. but because they have put it down and they can press forward, that's when the healing begins. it takes a long time. but you cannot focus on those who have hurt you. if you do they win. but if you put them behind you and move on then their efforts mean nothing. >> what will you remember most about those congregants that you knew the eight, and the aspastor from that church? >> well, considering that i know eight of them personally i will remember different things. i will remember the pastor as the statesman. i remember sister lance as the person who kind of kept the building together. sister lance and sister thompson were the mothering types.

sister jackson was one of the faces of the senior citizens ministry. brother sanders, a young man putting his life together getting on the right track. and then there's sharonda who is a personal friend of mine who i spoke to on a weekly basis and will be sorely missed. but all of them brother dan simmons who was a statesman and a a.m.e. supporter and ambassador. so all of them have different stories and i will remember them all and i will not forget them. >> well i think in this case it is appropriate to say we are sorry for your loss too, reverend. thank you so much much for your time. we've certainly seen lots of headlines on this story since the horror unfolded in south carolina wednesday night. "in remembrance," it lists the names of all nine victims and

the impact they had on their community and how each person will not be forgotten. as the search for two convicted killers enters its third week law enforcement officials are focusing their latest efforts near the border of new york and pennsylvania. witness reported seeing two men fit pentagon the description of matt and sweat in friendship, new york yesterday. the town is located 350 miles away with a or so from the maximum security prison where they escaped. several people are recovering from heat exhaustion after a slip and slide event in virginia. crowds waited for hours in what felt like 100-degree heat to experience the 1,000-foot slide. the hold-up was due to chlorine levels being too high and the health department wouldn't allow people on the slide until the water conditions improve. when the slide finally opened but about 20 people were treated for heat exhaustion. today new mexico rescuers are searching for former white house executive search walter

shide who went hiking last saturday and never returned home. kristin welker is on the lawn ever the white house. >> reporter: it is very worrisome. authorities in new mexico say the search for walter shicheib is concerning. some of his former colleagues tell me they are extremely worried and are just hoping he's found soon. >> reporter: walter scheib was an executive chef under george w. bush and bill clinton serving up cuisine for the first families and world leaders. but now the 61-year-old is missing. authorities say scheib set out on a hike by himself last saturday knew70 miles from santa fe fe, new mexico. when he didn't return the following day a family member called police. >> he wasn't necessarily extensively involved in outdoor activities but he did, as a common practice go on day hikes. >> reporter: crews found

scheib's car on tuesday near a popular canyon trail and have been tracking his last known cell phone location. >> the trail has an incline of approximately 4,000 feet in altitude from the bottom to the top. there are numerous ravines, there's very steep drop-offs and the vegetation itself is very dense. >> reporter: scheib spent more than a decade at the white house at times appearing on "today." >> whatever the family wants. it's their home they'll have it and it won't take a day to do it. it will happen literally instantaneously. >> reporter: he continued to be a culinary star after he left pennsylvania avenue winning the food network's "iron chef." but now you is the subject of a massive search and with few clues hope is fading. volunteers searching for him note there are water sources in the area so that's a good piece of news. they are still calling this a search and rescue operation.

>> that's good news and we hope it stays that way until he is found. kristin, house close of a relationship do the first families usually have with the chefs? >> well, very close, alex. if you think about it the executive chef oversees not only the daily meals here at the white house but the big events when there are dignitaries who are dining here. and then also the holiday meals. so the executive chefs are often very close to the first family and i've been speaking to a former official with the bush administration who says their hearts just go out to walter scheib and they just hope he is found. >> absolutely. i'm sure both members of the champion family and george w. bush family are distraught over this. hillary clinton's strong remarks about race and gun violence this weekend. hear what she plans to do about it coming up. . audible safety beeping audible safety beeping audible safety beeping

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and find peace when they can. >> reporter: a steady stream of visitors gathers outside mother emanuel a.m.e. church seemingly drawn together in shock and sadness over an unspeakable act. >> the whole city of charleston is affected. >> i'm thinking about the love that we show to someone else who walked into a body. they accepted him coming in because the doors are open. our arms are open wide. >> reporter: a few blocks away another march. activists pledging to stand up for charleston and bury white supremacy. >> it is our duty to fight for our freedom! >> reporter: in another part of charleston, a pastor reminds his flock that all of the city stands together. >> we are all members today of emanuel a.m.e. church in charleston, south carolina!

>> reporter: in north charleston pastor nelson rivers gives guidance to the grieving i'm going to lift up clemente and lift up those other eight servants and i'm also going to point the view to my folk not to be in despair. >> reporter: he says he hopes the sudden tragedy will make charleston stronger. >> out of the pit of death and pain and anguish america's done some of its best work. >> reporter: it sense to pull a community apart seems to be bringing it closer together. >> we are uniting as people and not dividing. we are doing the exact opposite of what this individual wanted and it's amazing. >> reporter: slowly, details are coming out about funeral arrangements for those who have been killed, including the funeral for reverend clementa pinckney, the pastor of mother emanuel church. his funeral service will be held on friday in this community right down the street at the

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let's be honest. for a lot of well-meaning, open-minded white people the sight of a young black man in a hoodie still evokes a twinge of fear. we can't hide from any of these hard truths about race and justice in america. we have to name them and own them, and then change them. >> that was presidential candidate hillary clinton talking about race in the wake of the charleston massacre. during her speech before a group of mayors she also called for gun reform laws. joining me is lauren french congressional reporter for politico, and chief correspondent for box. what did you make of her speech

and how do you think it plays into her campaign? >> i thought she's the only candidate so far talking about these two issues. not only gun control, but also the deep divisions of race in america that are brought to the forefront by the charleston shooting. and what has happened here is the republican field that's unwilling to talk about those two issues has really cedeed to her. >> listening to hillary clinton, we played it yesterday when she was speaking at the conference of mayors the rousing applause i wish we had a camera to turn around to look at the mayors in the audience.

it went on for quite some time. she was speaking to people on the front lines of these attacks, to dealing with them in the aftermath. lauren, i want you to take a listen to what tim scott said is the reason behind the shooting. >> it's hard to understand when evil is just overtaking the heart. the mind is just demented. this was obviously a case of racism. his actions were driven by hatred hatred. >> jeb bush said he didn't know what was in the heart of the shooter. now the conversation is besides the racism issue, turning into an issue of whether that

confederate flag which is flying near the charleston state capital should be taken down. you have a lot of republican candidates saying it's a state issue. they don't want to overstep bounds, and put a federal law or federal mandate. they're leaching it to the state. you saw somebody like mitt romney saying it should be taken down. they're weighing in on the issue. lindsey graham who obviously very close to home for him, saying it should be a discussion by the state. marco rubio saying something similar, and scott walker. they really have to toe that tight line of talking about race and making the republican party more exclusive, reaching out to minorities. also making sure that they're staying true to their republican values, which is a very state centered approach. they don't want the federal government coming in and mandating that a confederate flag is taken down just because of a tragic shooting. >> let's switch gears to the 2016 democratic field. we have thousands of supporters who gathered for bernie sanders

in denver yesterday. >> look at the demographics, you have rural, small town folks there. i think they think his message resonated in vermont for years. that said i still think he has a long way to go to defeat hillary clinton in either of those states. and certainly in a national primary system. i think he's yet to figure out what that coalition of voters would look like that adds to essentially a white base when she's got such majority support among hispanics, among

african-americans, among women, and even among men in the democratic party when you look at polling so far. >> guys unfortunately, as it's father's day we want to give a tribute to our dads. so i have to cut this one short. have a great father's day. >> thank you. >> thank you. that's a wrap of this sunday edition of "weekends with alex witt." up next, we have "meet the press." i'm alex wit. happy father's day to all you dads out there. especially to mine whom i adore. we leave you with a picture of some of our favorite dads here, from the folks behind the scenes.

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this sunday after charleston. the worst race attack since before the civil rights era. >> racism remains a blight that we have to combat together. >> i'll be joined by the family members of reverend daniel simmons, 1 of 9 who lost their lives on wednesday. should the confederate battle flag continue flying on the grounds of the south carolina state capitol? 2016 republican presidential contender mike huckabee joins me. plus the dynasty candidates. is america ready to embrace or reject them? the latest from our brand-new nbc news/"wall street journal" poll. finally, a special segment on gun violence in america. a truly remarkable video. convicted murderers and their regrets over ever picking up a