a confederate flags everywhere or you can get rid of all the confederate flags. it is not going make any difference. >> at the end of the day it is time to revisit that decision. >> they are going to make the right choice. >> ted cruz and south carolina also said it was a state issue. >> everyone is baited with this question as if somehow that has anything to do whatsoever with running for president. and my position is it most certainly does not. >> any moment now we are expected to hear from south carolina governor nikki haley who will call for the confederate flag to be removed from the grounds of the state house of the capitol city in columbia. ted scott and lindsey graham are expected to join her in support. haley and her colleagues are responding to calls across the country for the flag to be taken down. over half a million people have

signed an online petition to remove it. this comes as the white house announced today president obama and vice president joe biden will travel to charleston this friday to attend the fuel ran services of the clement pinckney. joining me is editor in chief of region magazine. professor at university of michigan school of public policy. and washington post columnist, and republican state representative from south carolina gary clary. representative clary, i think a lot of us are just in some ways happy but also still surprised at the very very swift movement in your state on the confederate flag. what has been your reaction to the developments today? >> well to tell you the truth, it is very shocking. when we started talking about this last week we had no idea that it would move this quickly.

but, you know, from what i'm hearing through my ear i'm delighted to hear that governor haley and both of our u.s. senators are in columbia. and i'm really anxious to hear what they have to say. and i'm alsoing forward to inglooking forward to hear what other members of my party have to say about it. this is really not a republican or democratic issue. this is an issue for all of south carolina. and i'm just glad my colleague doug brandon and i were out front on this. and it's very rewarding to see how things are coming together here today. >> representative, are you worried that some conservative south carolinians may be distressed at this decision? this potential decision? >> well, you know, any time you make a controversial decision and one that involves so much -- so much passion on both sides, i think that it is something to consider. but, you know, at the end of the

day when i ran for this office -- and i've only been in office since january. i'm a first-termer. i told the people that were in my district that if they wanted to send someone reasonable and sensible to columbia to vote for me. and you know that is what i'm trying to do here with this issue. it is unlike any other issue that we faced. but it is so important to our state. and the fact that, you know that flag has been up on the dome since 1962 when i was an early teenager. and it was moved 15 years ago. and it is ironic that when it was moved 15 years ago, a fence was placed around it. and i think it is time in south carolina for us to stop putting up fences but rather to build bridges. >> i'm going to open it up to my panelists in new york here. eugene. it bears noting that whatever the governor announces today it will be subject to a vote in the

state house. right? >> right. >> but just the mere fact you have nikki haley up there with potentially lindsey graham and tim scott talking about the removal of the confederate flag. i did not think is where we would be at on monday morning. >> if you had told me that the governor and both senators of the state where i grew up were going to call for getting rid of the confederate flag -- from anywhere -- much less from the state house grounds, i would have been shocked. says something about how much south carolina has changed over the years. and it has. and it says a lot about just the shock and horror of what happened in charleston and the realization that yes it was about race and the confederate flag to most people is about race. >> harold, i know we're waiting for the governor to take the mic. we see lawmakers lining up there in the state house. but heraldarold from a sort of

political point of view this has been a very very tricky issue for republicans particularly in the south to grapple with. are you surprised by this today? >> no. two things. one, to see the crowd assembled there and a diverse group of the lawmakers and bipartisan group of lawmakers surround the governor about to come in is a great testimony not only to the south but to america. the fact that no one from the outside had to fly in there and urge south carolinaians to do the right thing is remarkable. >> you are confident this is going to pass the state house. >> looking at this group and listening to that great representative you had on the first part of the show, his great words and then you watch this great group of lawmakers assemble one would have to believe it would be surprising if it didn't. but the fact you had such catalyst for violence to break

out in south carolina. the context of the country in the last several months as the communities have dealt with mistreatment and misconduct by the police to. see this is reassuring on many fronts as just an american that the notion of reconciliation and peace and progress can all collide as it looks to be colliding. maybe perhaps be colliding here in south carolina. but the real test is on families that stood in that courtroom and condemned the actions of this young man, the alleged killer here and then forgave him. i grew up in a church in memphis in a baptist tradition. and to witness that was amazing. and to watch this as this governor comes in as moving. >> james clooifr, tim scott. lindsey graham. and now governor nikki haley. let's listen. >> hopefully y'all are ready to go. this has been a very difficult time for our state. we have stared evil in the eye and watched good people killed

in one of the most sacred of places. we were hurt and broken and we needed to heal. we were able to start that process not by issues -- talking about issues that divide us but by holding vigils. by houghing our -- hugging our neighbors. honoring those we lost and falling to our knees in prayer. our state is grieving but we are also coming together. the outpouring of love and support from all corners of the people across this state and country has been amazing. the families who lost loved ones have been unbelievable pillars of strength and grace. their expression of faith and forgiveness took our breath away. they truly have shown the world what south carolina looks like at our best. and the mother emanuel church reopened its doors yesterday. michael and i were there. we took our two little ones. my children saw what true faith looks like.

my children saw that true hate can never triumph over true love. my children saw the heart and soul of south carolina starting to mend. i want to talk a little bit about the heart of our state. i want to talk about the people o of south carolina i'm so proud to serve. the country and the world have watched our strength and resilience over the last few days. we are strong people who love god, our families and have a deep faith. we believe in neighbors helping neighbors. we are a state that has held tight to our traditions and continued to grow and change in ways that move us forward. we were recently named the friend lest in the country and most patriotic too. american flags fly proudly from home to home in south carolina. in just the last few months the nation watched our state go through another time of crisis. when we dealt with the betrayal of one of our own in the tragic shooting of the walter scott.

south carolina did not respond with rioting and violence like other places have. we responded by talking to each other. by putting ourselves in other people's shoes and by finding common ground in the name of moving our state forward. the result both republicans and democrats, black and white, came together and passed the first body camera bill in the country. and i stand in front of you a minority female governor, twice elected by the people of south carolina. behind me stands my friend senator tim scott, elected by those same people as one of just two african american members of the united states senate. five years ago it was said in the last 50 years, south carolina is the state that has changed the most for the better. that was true when i quoted it at my first 2011. it is even more true today. we have changed through the times and will continue to do

so. but that does not mean we forget our history. history is often filled with emotion. and that is more true in south carolina than a lot of the other places. on matters of race south carolina has a tough history. we all know that. many of us have seen it in our own lives. in the lives of our parents and our grandparents. we don't need reminders. in spite of last week's tragedy we have come a long way since those days and have much to be proud of. but there is more we can do. that brings me to the subject of the confederate flag that flies on the state house grounds. for many people in our state the flag stands for traditions that are noble. traditions of history, of heritage and of an ancestry. the hate-filled murderer who massacred our brothers and sisters in charleston has a sick and twisted view of the flag. in no way does he reflect the

people in our state who respect and in many ways revere it. those south carolinians view the flag as the symbol of respect, integrity and duty. they also see it as a memorial a way to honor ancestors who came to the service of their state during time of conflict. that is not hate. nor is it racism. at the same time for many others in south carolina the flag is a deeply offensive symbol of a brutally oppressive past. as a state we can survive and indeed we can thrive as we have done while still being home to both of those viewpoints. we do not need to declare a winner and a loser here. we respect freedom of expression. and for those who wish to show their respect for the flag on their private property, no one will stand in your way. but the state house is different. and the events of this past week call upon us to look at this in

a different way. 15 years ago after much contentious debate south carolina came together in a bipartisan way to move the flag from atop the capitol dome. today we are here in a moment of unity in our state, without ill will, to say it is time to move the flag from the capitol grounds. [ applause ] 150 years after the end of the civil war, the time has come. there will be some in our state who see this as a sad moment. i respect that.

but know this. for good and for bad, whether it is on the state house grounds or in a museum the flag will always be a part of the soil of the south carolina. but this is a moment in which we could say that that flag, while an integral part of our past does not represent the future of our great state. the murderer now locked up in charleston said he hoped his actions would start a race war. we have an opportunity to show that not only was he wrong but that just the opposite is happening. my hope is that by removing a symbol that divides us we could move forward as a state in harmony and we could honor the nine blessed souls who are now in heaven. [ applause ] the general assembly wraps up their year this week. and as governor i have the

authority to call them back into session under extraordinary circumstances. i have indicated to the house and the senate that if they do not take measures to ensure this debate takes place this summer i will use that authority for the purpose of the legislature removing the flag from the state house grounds. [ applause ] that will take place in the coming weeks after the regular session and the veto investigation have been completed. there will be a time for discussion and debate. but the time for action is coming soon. i want to make two things very clear. first this is south carolina's state house. it is south carolina's historyics moment.history ics ic moment. and will be south carolina's decision. to. the state house belongs to all of us. their voices will be heard. and their role in this debate

will be respected. we have made incredible progress in south carolina on racial issues, yes, but on so many others. the 21st century belongs to us because we have chosen to seize what is in front of us. to do what is right and do it together. i have every faith that this will be no different. it is what we do in south carolina. it is who we are. second, i understand that what i have said here today will generate a lot of interest. what i ask is that the focus still remain on the nine victims of this horrible tragedy. their family the mother emanuel family, the ame church family the south carolina family. we all deserve time to grieve and to remember and to heal. we will take it and i ask that you respect that. we know that bringing down the confederate flag will not bring back the nine kind souls taken frommous nor rid us of the hate

and bigotry that drove a monster through the doors of mother emanuel that night. some divisions are bigger than a flag. the evil we saw last wednesday comes from a place much deeper much darker. but we're not going to allow this symbol to divide us any longer. the fact that people are choosing to use it as a sign of hate is something we cannot stand. the fact that it causes pain to so many is enough to move it from the capital grounds. it is after all a capital that belongs to all of us. july 4th is just around the corner. it will be fitting that our state capitol will soon fly the flags of our country and of our state and no others. glad bless. god bless the people of the great state of south carolina. thank you. [ applause ] that was governor nikki haley calling for the removal of the confederate flag from the grounds of the state house in

south carolina. let me go back to state representative gary clary. the governor had strong words. while she did say there were some who may be distressed by this decision who see the flag as part of south carolina's heritage, she said in no uncertain teams this flag does not represent the future of the state of south carolina. is that still a controversial statement in your state? >> well, you know alex i don't think that it is a controversial state. i just think that it is a -- statement. i just think it is a very positive statement of where our governor is in this debate. and i want to say this publicly. i am so proud of governor haley and the words that she used today and what she had to say. and, you know, i'm always proud to be a south carolinian. but i have an even deeper and greater sense of pride today in hearing what she had to say about the need to take this divisive symbol down.

you know i'm a native south carolinian. i'm a son of the south. and i even had ancestors that fought for the confederacy. but the time is past for us to take away the symbol and to move it into a museum of proper location and to move forward. you know, governor haley has done an outstanding job along with her secretary of commerce in recruiting 21st century jobs to south carolina. and this only enhances our reputation and our ability to continue to attract top flight businesses. and for people to move here. because this is a great place to live. >> harold you watched that line up that bipartisan, multiracial line up. women and men standing flanking the governor in that statement. and i cannot imagine -- first of all i didn't imagine this was going to be happening on a monday right after what was said last week about the flag and the sort of equivocation

that's been forced upon a lot of conservative lawmakers in the state to defend the flag on one hand and acknowledge the overwhelmingly racist origins on the other. >> there's no doubt. listening to her i would align myself with the remarks of the representative about how proud he was of watching governor haley. as an american and as a son of the south as well you couldn't help but be proud of her, the swiftness in which she acted. the wisdom she's gone about doing it. the equilibrium she brought to the conversation respect for all voters and residents of south carolina and south carolinians. and then to see that group as you said assembled. put the politics -- you asked me earlier about the politics. you have to wonder now -- and not to inject politics. but the analysis will take place. what happens to the candidates who wouldn't call for the

removal. do they backtrack? i hope they do as leaders. >> the only one of those who has recent history of borderline pro flagness is mike huckabee. in 2008 he was cutting commercials saying i know what i'd do with my flag in alabama if outsiders told me. >> i know what i'd do with the poll. >> right. he made politics out of this and got 38% of the vote in south carolina. but america is not etched in amber. it doesn't stay still. the politics of the flag in south carolina in 2015 are not what they were in 2000. john mccain lied about the confederate flag. >> and regretted but lied none the less. >> one day it was he said it was a symbol of the slavery andand -- but john mccain who apologized for lying about it he won south

carolina in 2008. in 2012 they held a republican debate on m.l.k. day. the subject didn't come up. it was no longer a heated question in south carolina politics. >> and that is important because there is a republican debate in february i believe. and this -- if this is not dealt with this will be a question asked of the focus standing on stage. >> the governor made clear it will be dealt with. she is going to call back the legislature if the legislature doesn't begin to act on it. you know, again having grown up there, i'm stunned to have seen that tableau that we just saw. i thought it was a hell of a speech. you know i would on many political issues disagree with nikki haley. but just again as harold said as an american i had to be proud of her today. of her performance, of what she said the way she said it. it was pitch perfect i thought.

>> remember now. listen to what matt's saying and i don't disagree with you. but understand south carolina has elected an african american to the senate. we may not -- people on this panel and others may not agree with his politics but he remains african american. we have an african american president in the country. we've made great stieds strides. the flag for a lot of people for me it represented bigotry and hatred and oppression and uglier parts of history. and it should be in a museum and i thought never should have been flown. however to see that group there and to listen i can't say enough how well i thought the governor presented all of this in totality. and she ended the first person she hugged was jim clieber. >> yeah. for that group of people the language, the optics everything about it. >> and no violence in the state. no rioting -- >> life affirming as far as -- >> unbelievable -- >> i agree. and what she was essentially

pushing against and rejecting is the sort of reaction that in my opinion, has occurred among some whites to the fact that there is an african american senator in south carolina, to the fact that there is an african american president. >> and she herself -- >> and an indian american governor. and i think look just frankly we can -- you know, i think it is clear that that creates anxiety among some people. it worries them about the demographic future of the country. it just sort of heightens racial tensions in a way, even as we make progress. i could not agree more that obviously, you know, since we were kids, compare the nation then to now. it's quite different. >> and it is worth noting matt that we have immediate reaction. scott walker is announcing or nbc is reporting that scott walker is going to announce he will call for the removal of the flag from the state house

grounds. jeb bush has issued a complementary tweet in governor haley's direction. and this i guess i wonder. so are we now going to see a domino effect on the republican field. and at the state level. i wonder how many more states feel like they have to go on defending the confederate. >> i my mitt romney came out with a strong statement saying that thing should be taken down. >> it is rare when coates and romney are calling for the same thing. which they were. >> and romney ran on that in 2008 and 12. and he didn't suffer too much for it. the policies have changed. jeb bush and rick perry both basically said look it is not a presidential issue. however we took care of it by removing it from official length go and we hope that is what people will do there. >> when a noble peace committee

meets they ought to consider this for the entire south carolina community. the violence that could have erupted. and nine people killed in an african american church. there were no acts of -- i thought that was part of her speech. she said there were no riots and no violence. the fact they were able to come together as the community and deal with it. when you look at what's happened in the country and don't get me wrong. different fact sets and narratives across the country in the last six months is really a amazing testament to the humanity. >> and to leadership. >> and family. >> it should go to the family members that forgave. >> -- family members who stood in that courtroom and offered grace and love in the face of abject terror and death. state representative clary and welsh. thank you for your time. when we're back i'll speak with the black lives matter advocates.

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thousands of people took to the streets of charleston for a unity march to commemorate the lives lost last week in a black church. one of those who traveled was black lives matter activist. but soon after he arrived the #go home went viral. after the hashtag started trending he tweeted i continue to talk about race because race continues to impact my life and the lives of those who look like me. i'm not the enemy. racism is. joining us now is deray mckes son. let me start with your feelings about the change -- what feels likes at least from here the change in temperature around the issue of race and specifically

the comments just made by the governor. >> yes. in the last nine months we've seen people be more comfortable talking about race and racism. the reality is if we're not comfortable confronting the problem head on with language we'll never be able to confront the manifestations of race im. the governor speech is important first step but people have to put the actions behind the words to make it matter. >> what did you make of the genesis of the hashtag go home deray. how do you feel about that at this particular moment? >> people have been trying to silence black people speaking the truth about racism for as long as this country existed. and that hashtag was a reminder that hate is organized and digital hate is also organized. i'm here to honor the victims and support the local organizers and tell the truth about what's happening. >> what about the leaders who have gone down or in washington tried to make the issue of race

a national one? and i'll start with hillary clinton who has had very strong words about america and sort of the color lines in this country. what did you make of her -- what have you made of her reaction to charleston in the last few days? >> her statement was powerful. because what she acknowledge is that there are many things that empower racist behaviors. the flag the symbol of hate. the people who are silent and don't challenge others when they say racist things. it is so many things that empower racism and its impact. and it will be important for people to speak the truth about what's happening to black people in this country if they want support. >> what about the president deray. he's making a lot of head lines for using the "n" word in an interview with marc marin and we're going to talk about that later. but the subjects are two fold. and one important part is he wanted to underscore the point that a lot has changed in america. and i quote him when i say do

not say that nothing's changed in america unless you have lived through being a black man in the 50s or '60s or '70s. as a young activist what was your reaction to 245. >> i think he is getting more comfortable speaking plainly about race and racism. the reality is killing of black people is still all too familiar in america. and we see in charleston and cities across the country. it is important he'll be here so he can acknowledge that with his body but again the killing of black people is still too familiar. he was right though with his reference to the "n" word and people want to think about racism only being on the extremes. but there are so many other things that are racist behaviors that contribute to the impact of racism. >> activist deray mckesson, thanks for your time. just ahead president obama's candid comments about racism and the word he has used that is sparking a national debate next.

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in a pod cast interview with marc maron and released today president obama weighed in on the subject of racism using a word not formally acknowledged in public or by public officials. >> racism we are not clear of. >> clearly. >> and it is not just a matter of it not being polite to say [ bleep ] in public. that is not the measure of whether racism still exists or not. it is not just a matter of overt discrimination. we have -- societies don't overnight completely erase everything that happened 2 to 300 years prior. >> the president's use of the "n" word has drawn massive amounts of attention. they were asked whether it was meant to be provocative. >> the president's use and the reason he used the word could not be more apparent.

the president made clear it is not possible to judge nation's progress on race issues based solely on evaluation of our country's manners. >> joining me is national reporter aaron carmone. harold, was this appropriate? >> i don't think so. listening to what the president was making he was making valid points. i don't think saying that word made his point any stronger at all. further more you give people license to use that word the moment you hear the president use it. and that is not what the president intended. i thought there was a better use of words and a better expenditure of time in a lot of ways to deal with what is clearly an issue he has grappled with during his presidency and an issue the country still grapples with. i made the point earlier, we have made substantial progress in this country. an african american president. even in south carolina they have an african american senator even

with that flag flying. we have a long ways to go. i think the battle really exists now in education and economic opportunity and so forth. but there is a a different conversation. i don't think the president's point was strengthened by using that word. >> i think aaron, so at once it seemed like i don't think off the cuff really accurately describes it but part of this longer broader point he's making. and yet you can't use that word and have it not be considered. and the white house suggests this was a concern that sort of the president stands behind his use of the word. so it is not a casual use. >> i just finished a book about supreme court justice ruth bader ginsberg. and what she was saying in her own words is that racism no longer always looks as overt as the killing that we saw last week. it often looks like second order discrimination. i don't think we should lose sight of what he was trying to say. i think the reason he may havecendiaryincendiary

which are his prerogative to use. is because he's been coming out and saying the same thing over and over again. and it's not getting through. so maybe he is trying to talk to people who young people listen to. the myth of the color blind millennial is not true. it is not getting through the old message so he is trying something knew that is getting people's attention and we should sight of the actual point here. >> and we are. which is the point i'm making. >> well we're talking both about hiss comments. it is a weapon the "n" word is a weapon. >> yes it is a weapon. i'm fixated on whether or not he used the word. i just thought the whole thing was a little weird. >> that wasn't the question. i agree with you too. but that wasn't the question. >> well it was a more casual inform setting for the president to talk about an issue that is deeply important to him.

that is deeply important to the nation. that is on everybody's mind. and that people are waltiting to hear from the president on. and so you heard that sort of long almost discursive train of thought as he -- and he put it into words. it came together. he speaks very well. you know he is going to deliver the eulogy for clemente pinckney later this week. and i look forward to what he says there. it will be a more formal setting. it just seemed to me if the president is going to be recorded as saying something about such a horrific act at this time i guess i'm old fashioned. i wanted it to be more formal. and more constructive. and more -- >> but don't you think so much of his presidency has been formal and constructed? >> well -- >> i mean -- [inaudible].

>> -- constructed way about this. he did make an official statement. this is a different audience. >> he's talking about race. >> the first day he came out and talked about guns and in a tone of resignation. and then the next day he was more forceful at the council of mayors. and then he was on the pod cast. being -- i don't know if it's more forceful. more raw. >> candid. >> whatever you want to call it. and i'm still waiting for him, you know, to stand up and tell us how we as a nation should look at this. where we are. and where we need to go. >> i guess i'm having a hard time reckon -- i'm having a hard time understanding where the president is on the subject of race. what we got, the use of the "n" word, i really agree with you aaron, seems like a weapon. it is not of someone frustrated

with the status quo on race in america. and we got a glimpse of that after the trayvon martin verdict. we got the sense of a black man in america who knows that the stereotyping and the subtle forms of racism that exist in america today. then on the other hand we have a president who has launched an initiative, my brother's keeper that a lot of folks say is not strong enough not forceful enough, not leading the way enough in pushing for more harmony and equity in society. and then saying also we have made a point of coming a long way since the 1960s and '70s and don't you young people unless you were around in that area tell me or us otherwise. so harold when you look at this presidency and what he said on race where do you think he is? >> i think the president gave one of the most powerful and compelling if not his powerful and compelling speech around the

issue of race whenz pastor came under attack. and it showed a maturity and set of convictions and pins principles on his part. heaves been buffeted and the country had to deal with issues of race and you mentioned the trayvon martin case. i'm not saying the president is going to cure all this in a speech. but i more align myself with eugene. and i don't think y'all are far from us on this. i just want to see the president in a very formal setting lay out, number one we have a long way to go. we've o come a long way. and one of the great examples is how this community in south carolina has come together. blacks and whites across the line have said this is wrong what happened. a gunmen walking into a church and killing innocent parishioner parishioners. look at the sea of faces and voices you are hearing. that is the message i wanted to hear. i'm a little old fashionsed. and i listened to everything you said. i don't know how the president's point was strengthened. everything you said -- >> [ inaudible ].

>> in law school i was asked as you think about words and the time you have. why would use use that? how did that strengthen his point? and i actually think it weakened it. >> i know some people who find it hurtful and don't like hearing it from their president. i think it was a speech to his audience audience. >> a pod cast called wtf. >> so you think the point was strengthened. >> it is a different point. >> he's somebody whose northeast an dine statements of race. i think he's just gotten to a point where i might as well be honest because everything i say will be jumped on. >> and that's fine. that's great. what are you trying to accomplish? it seems to me. >> right. he is the president of the united states. >> every word you say in public

better be designed to accomplish something, to do something. and so if there was, you know, a plan there. if there was intent to reach some americans who wouldn't be reached otherwise and he succeeded at that. >> and you have to understand how that is going to play with the americans -- >> then that's fine. but there are lots of other messages. you talked about where we go from here. but you can -- >> [ inaudible ]. >> -- the white supremacist atmosphere that fueled this guy mr. roof. >> and he didn't do that. that's not the purpose of -- [inaudible] >> have to take a commercial break. sorry. we'll have more on that and the white supremacist movement coming up ♪♪ expected wait time: 55 minutes. your call is important to us. thank you for your patience. waiter! vo: in the nation, we know how it feels when you aren't treated like a priority.

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citing fec filings. the guardian reports the leader of the white supremacist group who apparent lyly helped roof. have donated money. and -- there comes issue of grappling with race. this seems to be a much bigger problem. >> if he's giving to you, what are you doing wrong? >> what are you saying? >> little -- and we said earlier, the little self examination would be in order i think. it is clearly i'm missing

something if i'm attractive to that guy if i'm a republican candidate. and what we want aaron is a sort of public repudiation of earl holt whose this white supremacist. the question is will we get that? >> i think by now after days of them being asked about you know was the shooting about race? i think now they are going not going to make that mistake again. if they can't repudiate this what can they not repudiate. they returned the money. put out the statements. >> rand paul is donating the money -- >> [ inaudible ]. >> i guess i wonder harold to eugene's point, do you think there will be any self reflection from the 2016 candidates or the members of congress who also received donations? will they say what is it about my platform that is attracting the support of white supremacists? >> probably so and i hope so.

but in fairness i was in politics and you can't control who gives you money. i know jeff and santorum. i wouldn't consider these guys to encourage the kind of violent act this kid went about. no one like this ever gave me money like this i believe. >> you are not necessarily monitoring all the donations. >> you don't know what's coming in. >> -- dog whistles. >> what i do hope every republican and every democrat running for office was to look at how nikki haley was able to convene there and and that is a moment of leadership and hope look tot the families who were able to forgive. >> does this end the white racial grievance aspect of the republican southern strategy? >> -- [inaudible]. >> bedrock part of that. >> right. but, you know, going for the

south is one thing. but there is a specific part of that strategy that is, you know we beleaguered white folks -- >> [ inaudible ]. >> and plays to that without being explicit. >> and i wonder [inaudible]. >> -- uncool to do that. and do you have to say to those people as i believe you should. you know i don't want your -- that is not what i'm about. >> do you think that will happen? >> i'm asking. >> i don't think there is any way that could happen since some of the voters are going to be the people they expect to ow out during primary season. >> and they are now going to be feel even more oppressed there's been this consensus against them. >> the same republicans in south carolina elected tim scott. put that in context. >> that is true. says a lot about south carolina. a lot of the rest to the suit south too. >> there is a lot more talking to be done. we're going to believe it there.

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