>> tonight bernie-mentum. plus flag flap. >> it is time to move the flag from the capitol grounds. >> should be taken down and placed in a museum where it belongs dpl the time has come. >> later, fresh lead. >> man hunt for two men who escaped from a maximum security prison. >> and on the fast track. >> we're going to have trade promotion authority. we're going to have this vote soon and i'm confident we're in place. >> i'm optimistic we'll get this done. >> good to have you withis tonight, thanks for watching. you can question polls but can't deny numbers. bernie sanders presidential campaign is on a role the candidate from this was the scene saturday

night. speaking to a massive over capacity crowd at the university of denver. roughly event. the gymnasium was so packed. and overflow crowds watched from the lacrosse stadium where the speech was displayed on the scoreboard. it appears saturday's political event was the largest of this election season. and hillary's campaign kickoff in new york was a crowd of about 5,000. the sanders turn out should have them to say the crowd was excited would be an understatement. don't underestimate this man, bernie sanders. the vermont senator is electrifying democrats around the country. >> that nation and our government belong to all of us and not just a handful of

billionaires. >> after packing minnesota rallies and surging in wisconsin's straw polls,nizer sent a warning to the hillary clinton camp. objects in our rear view mirror are closer than they appear. >> there is more than just hillary. there is something else out there. there is excitement. there is something that is a little more i don't know fulfilling. >> i love hillary. but i don't agree with a lot of things she talks about. especially with, you know getting big corporations out of politics. >> we are losing our democracy to the highest bidder and that is not a good thing. >> what we need because it is turning into more of a oligarchy. >> i'm worried that hillary is going to be if that are trade agreement. >> he is willing to say the unpopular thing that needs to be said. >> onsaturday sanders most hosted one of the largest rallies of the year. >> i said to my staff, look

we're going l.a. why don't we see if we can get a room in denver. and let's see if we can, you know, bring a couple of hundred people together. >> over 5,000 people rsvped to the colorado rally. >> about 10 minutes after the e-mail went out we knew we had to change the venue. traveled from across colorado to hear what they call a true candidate for the people. >> i think he's honest. and we don't have that. >> a president shouldn't be a fancy celebrity that rides sclarts and flies on their imagine value vacations and motorcycle trips to iowa. it's about what he can do for the people. >> bernie sanders is the first politician in my life that

represents the people. >> i'm not into politics at all. and they intimidated me i guess in the past. and i i didn't feel i had a place with it. i understand what bernie is talking about. >> i understand how he promotes accessibility for the common citizen. >> this is no celebrity tour. it is apparent. people showing up are astute on inequality. >> he draws intersectionalties between campaign financing and wealth inequality and just a state of democracy in the united states. >> i like the idea that he wants to change the amount of pay for workers. >> when people like us are working 60 hours a week and can still barely afford to survive but people like the waltons are getting tax breaks of more money than i'll ever see in my lifetime there is something wrong. >> to actually have a candidate that backs labor and backs

unions and i think it is our nation's path to recovery to rebuilding the middle class. and it is absolutely exciting to see a candidate step out and recognize it and support it and endorse it. >> i'm born and raised in detroit. so i grew up the son of a factory worker who worked hard to get workers rights and labor unions the uaw. so i'm always sensitive to what any agreement may do or what it may mean for workers. >> colorado says they are ready for bernie sanders to go all the way. >> it's a different voice we're not used to hearing. >> the opportunity to broaden our political spectrum and not an opportunity that should be missed or over looked. >> with the crowd you guys see here and the crowds he's generating or drawing across the nations you can bet that bernie is being heard and we'll hear his voice reflected in whoever the nominee is for the democratic party. >> can we say that no one expected this? people are actually excited about bernie sanders?

the guy whose all over the cable shows and has been for years? just a regular guy from vermont? the political calendar tells us he's drawing early record crowds. meanwhile it is not just the crowds. the media seems to be giving sanders the attention he deserves. there are positive head lines. painting a picture of polls and connecting with voters. the media is admitting bernie is causing real headaches if for clinton campaign. sanders is forcing clinton to talk about issues they didn't anticipate. like trade. bernie sanders has a well-defined message on income inequality. saying the same thing since is 1980s and seems to be paying off now or resonating. and a recent poll out of new hampshire shows clinton at 41%, sanders at 31%. 15% undecided. and in iowa sanders has work do. a recent des moines register poll has clinton at 16% compared

to clinton's 57%. although sanders is up 5% since january. a wisconsin straw poll has clinton in first place at 49%. and bernie is a close second at 41%. at this point there is no doubt hillary clinton is clearly the front runner. but the momentum seems to be with bernie sanders early on. what do you call these crowds? a movement? just general excitement about politics? i thought people were political exhausted in this country. and with the primary still roughly 8 months away can we say anything the possible? here is where it starnds as i see it early. bernie sanders is making this a race for the nomination something no one expected. you can make the argument sanders is driving the conversation and the issues. citizens united wall street reform and trade is where you are going to find bernie sanders distinctively clear. i think early on that is the

attraction. question is can he keep it going? quit get your sfchbcell phones out. is sanders being underestimated? we'll bring you the results later on in the show. for now let me bring you the analysts. gentlemen, great to have you with us tonight. jonathan, your reaction to what you heard in that piece. these are folks on the ground and it is just one day into summer in 2015. what's happening here? >> bernie sanders is for real. and he is getting these huge crowds everywhere. we haven't seen them since barack obama's 2008 campaign that kind of excitement. the democratic party has a history of liking insurgents liking underdogs. the chances i think are good that he will win somewhere. they are not good that he is

going to win the nomination. but he is going to make this a race and give hillary clinton some real competition for the next year. and he will go to that convention with some delegates. so this is going to make the democratic contest more interesting. i think it is going to be good for hillary clinton ultimately. it will hold her a little more accountable. they are actually not that far apart on most issues these days but she is going to have to sharpen her arguments and she's going to get some really good spring training at the minimum before the general election campaign next year. >> lanny is is this unexpected o competition for the clinton camp? >> no. and your whole premise which we haven't always disagreed so we're going to respectfully disagree as if bernie sanders is unexpectedly driveing hillary clinton clinton. the fact is we're talking about progressive democrats with a

long history on the same issues. not one voter named a single issue there is any significant difference. but you haven't done that kind of a piece about a hillary clinton crowd with the enthusiasm that i see all over the country. but i agree with jonathan. this is good more hillary. this is good for the democratic party. i was insurgent in democratic party primaries, and this is good for the democrats. >> let me just say this about that coverage. first of all, bernie sanders is far more accessible to the media than hillary clinton. i don't know whether that is just a matter of style or because she doesn't feel like doing events where there are going to be 5,000 people. i don't have that answer. i would love to interview hillary clinton and i certainly will cover the campaign when they get 5,000 people showing up. so that being the case -- and i do think that there is a difference. i have not heard hillary clinton say that she wants to break up the banks on wall street. i hear that from bernie sanders.

so i respectfully disagree with you in that regard. mr. rut ger, what is going on here? do we call this a movement? these crowds clearly parallel that of what barack obama was doing. >> it is close. there is a lot of energy out there. i've been at a couple of bernie sanders rallies and he's very authentic. he's genuine. gets up there and talks for about 45 minutes really without any notes and just kind of says what is on his mind and people seem to believe him. and i think that message is very powerful with the base of the democratic party. the trouble for him is that it is a long campaign and we've not yet seen him tested. we've not yet seen him face the kind of scrutiny that clinton has phased. and i think him in these debates going forward as the media take him more seriously and investigate his past as well. >> and that was the question i posed before can he keep it

going? this is a marathon. it is not a sprint and no doubt that 5,000 people in denver doesn't make a campaign but it seems to be pattern that is unfolding here. lanny, a lot of people think that clinton needs do this kind of campaigning. is that coming? or is it still going to be these listening tours taking place in these smaller events. >> just so you know what it feels like to be a hillary clinton supporter. so when she does the big rallies, and she certainly had 5,000 people and your camera crew wasn't at that rally, she's criticized for doing only big speeches. when she starts in a low key manner the way she did in new york state when she ran for the senate, then you say she's not doing big rallies. you will find enthusiasm among women, men, young, old for hillary clinton. if you send you crews out and do those kind of interviews ed. and she is not driven by anyone. his his lifelong record. did you read her speeches on

race and guns just two nights ago? so you are not about to judge hillary clinton for being a new progressive when all her life she's been a fighting progress on labor issues on every issue you can think of. >> why doesn't she stand -- >> [ inaudible ]. >> there is no slanted view here because the ed show camera crew -- [inaudible]. >> he's driving her. >> i want to set the record straight here. the ed show crew was at hillary clinton's big event on roosevelt island. and we did cover that. there is no question about that. >> [inaudible]. >> -- driving her. >> and i'm not questioning whether hillary is a true lifelong progressive. that is not it. but i do question her position and i can't get a straight answer on fast track when every single union in the country doesn't want them to have it. >> then you are not listening. she has said she will not support it so long as theirs.

>> so long as. it is not about taa lanny. it is about the deal. >> as long as there isn't worker assistance. as long as there is ability for people like china to mess around with the money rates and the exchange rates and she is opposed to it as of now. and that is what she has said. this is not the 1990s -- >> but -- >> you're not listening, ed. >> this segment is not about whether hillary is on trial about being a progressive. this segment is about why is bernie sanders getting all of these crowds so early on when he is saying things hillary isn't saying lanny? >> as a matter of fact she is saying exactly the same thing. but jonathan is right. we love insurgencies. i've been in them more than i've been on the other side and this is a great contest for the democratic party and she will benefit from bernie sanders. >> there is an authenticity to bernie sanders that people who are tired of politics all the

masks everybody wears in politics that they respond to. because they can tell this is the real bernie sanders. and there is a longing for that kind of thing. i think that resonates. but people don't know that much about him. for instance, he is to the right of hillary clinton on guns. and when certain democratic voters find out that hillary is more in favor of the common sense gun control than bernie sanders is they might take a second look at hillary on that position. so we have a long way to go, ed in parseing all of these issues where they stand on these issues. but hillary, unfortunately for here, even though her numbers are still very strong, there is a little bit of distrust creeping into the polling numbers and a little bit of a sense they are not always getting the direct answer. i think that is what your driving at. and bernie sanders is giving very crisp, direct unambiguous answers to straight forward questions.

and she needs to be a little more direct play the angles a little less if she is going to really resonate and really mobilize the democratic party the way she needs to. >> and finally mr. rutger, if you were to characterize the folks going to see bernie sanders from your reporting, how would it sound? >> they are enthusiastic. you know these are progressive, liberal activists who have been hungry to hear a message like this. whether from elizabeth warren or joe biden or bernie sanders. ber nee sanders happens to be the person right now articulating that message and saying this is a revolution against the billionaire class. there is a segment of the party that really wants to hear that and is energized by that. >> lanny davis i'm going show you a story on hillary as soon as she has ones of these events and you are going to do come back on here and talk it over. thanks so much. remember to answer tonight's question at pulse.msnbc.com/ed.

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grounds. new calls for removal come after nine people were killed last week at the historic black church in south carolina. governor nikki haley addressed the media a short time ago in this issue. >> we respect freedom of expression and that more those who wish to show their respect for the flag on their private prague property, no one will stand in your way. but the state house is different. and the events of this past week call upon us to look at this in a different way. 15 years ago after much contentious debate south carolina came together in a bipartisan way to move the flag from atop the capitol dome. today we are here in a moment of unity in our state, without ill will, to say it is time to move the flag from the capitol grounds. >> immediately after haley's announcement south carolina senator lindsey graham issued a statement in part saying i'm urging the flag be removed from

house grounds to an appropriate location. that is moral ground. nearly all those are voicing opinions. scott walker waited for haley called for the flag to be removed before he tweeted i'm glad she is calling for the flag to come down. i support her. jeb bush tweeted saying quote, in florida we acted moving the flag from state grounds to a museum where it belonged. senator marco rubio stayed this is -- said this is an issue they should debate and work through and not have a bunch of outsider going in and telling them what to do. there is a long history of the flag in the state. they led a 112 mile march to get the flag off the capitol. here is what he had to say. >> put it in a museum of

national history. and if this was one of his symbols to help reinforce his racism, if he can see that symbol in state of the state capitol that gives a message we shouldn't be giving. >> joining me are the analysts tonight. republican strategist and former white house political director for george w. bush. professor, you first, what is this? is this a reaction to nine people being killed by a madman? or is this a change of heart all of a sudden? i mean if those nine people were still alive today would we be hearing from governor haley on this? >> to answer your latter question no. i don't think we would at all. so yes it has been encouraged by, forced by the issue has been introduced as a result of the death of those nine souls, those martyrs down in charleston

south carolina. but it does highlight a bigger issue. the degree to which the folk lore of racism survives in flags like this. in the insignia of that flag the confederate flag is a history of bigotry and violence and terror towards african americans. the ownership of one race of another, the ability to dictate the terms by which they existed. all of that is symbolized in that flag. i understand it is part of heritage and pride but that heritage and pride rests upon a strict denial of history in the bloody battles engaged in this country over who should be free and who should not be free. i think it was a greet move and a step in the right direction. >> other states have dealt with this. why has south carolina been behind the curve of conventional thinking here and modern day thinking? >> well, you know ed at the end of the day politics is about episodes. and what happened in south carolina really shifted the

politics around this issue. and i think this is a great moment where leaders, democrat leaders, republican leaders stood together and said yeah our state can move forward. there is a lot wrapped up in the confederate flag. a lot of evil and terrible past but the real thing for south carolina is about its future. and i think they realized by the way they have an african american senator in tim scott. he took a leadership role in this. and i think recently clarence thomas, being the deciding vote in texas was important. and think this is one of the episodes that the country watched and changed over. >> events change history. no doubt about history. but it is the attitudes that need to change. and this is addressed by the president, president obama making comments for head lines about racism on his first ever pod cast. here it is. >> racism.

>> racism. we are not cured of. >> clearly. >> and it is not just a matter of it not being polite to say [ bleep ] in public. that is not the measure of whether racism still exists or not. >> why did the president go down this road? is it necessary? >> quite necessary. we're having the conversation. had he not made the statement and the way he made it i don't think we would have been talking about it as readily. the fact he said that word reinforces a couple of things. first it is afoot in the culture and we have to be honest about it. secondly black people when they were murdered by in racists who deployed that term against them were not called the "n" word. they called the word itself. and it is forcing us to come to grips with the haines character of the behavior associated with the term. yes i think the term was provocative but also the tactic

to force us to come to grips with that term. >> matt on the flag issue. there seems to be a mood of reluctantsy on the part of republicans and republican national candidates to condemn the confederate flag. is this a deep-rooted problem for republicans? >> i think you can look at it that way, ed. but actually i look at this moment when republicans stood up and led. there is always this question about who governs a flag and when you have people outside of a state telling the state what it should do with its flag, those voices are less credible. let's facis the people that moved this issue were south carolinians. people of all races and both parties decided to say hey this is a moment when our state should change. that is when it is the most credible. but i don't think your characterization is right. i think mitt romney was out there in front.

jeb bush talked about his record in florida when he had the flag removed when he was governor. and i think this is an example -- >> what about huckabee rubio and walker? there are more republican kantntds who have strug wld this than have not. >> sure. but we have a big crowd of candidates running for prosecute gning gning for president. and the voters are going to reward action. and punish action. and let's see what the voters say. and i think they are going to be appreciative of those that came forward and said this is a moment when we should act. >> when martin luther king, jr. and -- they said you were outsiders. while i acknowledge matt. without the external pressure and without the nation come dog grips with this heinous crime,

the people inside south carolina may not have responded the way day did. >> professor why did -- >> look. here take some credit for some success here. tim scott, an african american republican is elected to senate and he comes forward and starts talking to republicans and said this is a moment we need to act -- >> [ inaudible ]. >> -- the right thing. >> not before the shooting. we have to be clear on that. >> not before the shooting and i'm saying to you that the events of the past week have forced people to take a look at this. i'm not denying your point but i'm broadening it by saying external pressure has to be applied and then those inside rethink. >> we have to leave it there. >> -- it is a terrible thing that it takes a -- >> go ahead matt. i'll give you the last word. >> it's a terrible thing that it takes a tragedy to get people to move but when it occurs let's applaud it. >> still to come fast track moves one step closer to the

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fast track trade promotion is headed to the senate. last week the house passed tpa without assistance for displaced workers. the senate originally sent the house fast track with the assistance program. now it could begin. in the senate the only reason some supported it was because assistance for displaced workers was guaranteed in the deal. last week mitch mcconnell said the senate would be voting on assistance and fast track in two separate bills. the problem is house republicans could advance it without assistance. if president obama loses support from only four democrats, the deal is going to be off. so far washington senator maria cantwell is the only democrat to flip. the senator supports last month's deal but recently said i'm a no because i want to get a certainty that we're going to take care of workers who are

laid off. once again the president's trade agenda lies in the hands of only a few democrats who he has been lobbying hard. for me let me bring in political analysts and congressman dan killty of michigan. it is a waiting game now for you in the house. how do you think it is going to play in the senate. >> so much as been an process rather than substance. there are some real deficiencies in this tpa. the failure to deal with currency. the fact that the malaysia language is going to allow for a lesser standard in human trafficking. and i have some questions about vietnam. the substance really does matter and we're really focuses now on whether or not the senate will take a clean tpa bill. and if they do if it is the same legislation that passed the house it will go to the president's desk without taa and of course that is going to be a

big problem. >> so the president is willing to accept boehner in the house and mcconnell in the senate saying i'm going to trust you. you are going to get me this authority to do trade deals and you are going to come back later on and do adjustment assistance for workers. do you believe that is going to unfold like that? >> well it is hard to say. and we --ky speak for myself voted against taa because they were connected and we wanted to stop t parks a. we wanted to get it right the real question is whether the senate will take up soft the fe dishes in the tpa. >> isn't it true there are some republicans that will no go along with trade adjustment assistance for workers. >> sure. and the taa was attached to trade promotion authority to get our votes, to force democrats to vote for this trade promotion authority. even though we don't like the underlying deal. >> some called it a bribe. >> you could call it a lot of things. it was not something i was willing to go along with. >> jonathan where does mitch

mcconnell play in all of this? this might be a tough road for him to get the republican senators to go along with taa. >> i think he'll be able to do it and the combination of republican senators he can corral and the democrats who strongly support trade adjustment assistance should get it over the hump. so i think they can kind of put humpty dumpty back together again. after it looked like it was coming apart. probably will be a bill. possibly two bills towards the end of the week. so fast track authority as well as trade adjustment assistance for workers and then next year the treaty itself t trade deal itself would come before congress. but the big thing for me and i think the congressman and i agree strongly on this is that the administration and the congress has to do something else entirely for working americans. a huge p infrastructure bill. rebuild this country. with commitments for half a

trillion, a trillion dollars in spending to repair bridge roads, sewer systems. >> you think pelosi would bring the democrats along and maybe even harry reid would go along with something like that in the senate. >> it's not -- it should have been linked all along. and i think the president made a mistake in not linking a huge infrastructure bill. >> well i don't think he anticipated this much push back. >> it can still be done after this. it's a question of holding barack obama's feet to the fire so after this trade deal basically goes through he spends a lot of the rest of 2015, you know with people like paul ryan who runs the tax writing committee in the house. with john boehner, with mitch mcconnell and see if they can do what the republican party a hundred years ago originally stood for which is infrastructure. we need this. >> you're saying it should have

been played this way. i get that. you're saying that taa and tpa get through the senate on separate bills and it comes back to your side on the house. what happens? that is really the question at this point. >> unless we credit the deficiencies i think you will find a lot of democrats still unwilling to accept it. it's been democrated this week tpa has the votes in the house. but i think jonathan hit something very important. if the tpa -- if thepp is really as much about pivoting to asia and trying to off set china's emergence. we ought to be dealing with why china really is emerging. and it is the fact they are spending ten times of what we are on infrastructure as percentage of our gdp. they are funding the asia investment bank which is bringing in lots of countries. we need to fight fire with fire and not just operate on the assumption that if we do a trade

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and we are back on "the ed show." the next decision date for the supreme court, rulings on two huge issues, gay marriage and of course, health care. the high court is deciding whether state bans on gay marriage violate the 14th amendment. on the health care front, if the supreme court strikes down obamacare, it would cut health care funding for up to 6.4 million people and up to 37 states across the country. some economists say billions of dollars will be lost going to hospitals, drugstores, and drug makers. still, some republicans don't seem to care. 2016 gop presidential hopeful

rick perry's home state of texas has an extremely high uninsured rate. during his time one in five texans didn't have health care coverage. he was grilled on fox news sunday about it. >> you refuse to set up a state exchange under obamacare. you refused to expand medicaid. is that looking out for the little guy when 21% of texans didn't have health insurance? >> how you keep score is how many people you force to buy insurance, then i would say that that's how you keep score. that's not how we -- >> but, the flip side how many people don't have health insurance. >> let me explain what we do in texas and this is a state by state decision. we make access to health care the real issue. >> let me bring in ring of fire radio host and communications director for the heritage action. dan, doesn't this seem to be the perfect opportunity for all of the republican candidates individually, to step forward

and talk about health care about okay this is where we need to go? i just don't seem to be hearing that, dan. >> it's a great opportunity and hope people do the right the thing this week and what republican candidates should think about, how do we drive down the cost of care? there were rules and mandates that piled up and dramatically increased the cost of care for tens of millions of people. that's not addressed with the supreme court ruling but that's what we need to look forward on. >> but i don't hear any republican candidates saying i have a better system and this is what we should do and it would seem to me this is the perfect opportunity no matter what the supreme court decides to do. what is the call on the supreme court here? will it come down to justice john roberts? >> they will do whatever corporate america tells them to do and they are simply an extension of the u.s. chamber of commerce at this point. it used to be we could analyze

what a supreme court was going to do look at president and say this is what they should do. now it's very, very easy. we decide what is going to put more money in corporate america's pocket and this majority is going to rule that way. they are willing to eliminate tax subsides helping millions of americans afford insurance plans but corporate america, the u.s. chamber of commerce wants that to happen, so that's what going to happen. >> does it mean the law will get not touched? insurance companies are making double digit profits again which is good. i want to see more people covered. will money drive this? >> well this should be driven by the law but i do find it funny that you and everybody else seems to say this is good for the businesses here. these businesses lobbied on behalf of obamacare, lobbyed to pass it because they knew it was good for their bottom line. they didn't care it would raise rates for everybody and everybody would have to more. >> it simply hasn't raised

rates. some rates have gone up. most of the rates have not. if you want to look at the past ten years before obama got in we were looking at double digit increases. we're not seeing that anymore. >> if i can address -- >> go ahead, mike. >> the heritage foundation in front of this because the coke brothers, let's take it down and follow the money, they. $4.8 million down to be the voice for this. there is big swath, the u.s. chamber of commerce this court will do what they are told to do but this majority will do what they are told to do -- >> they didn't uphold it or shake it down last time. >> they are politicians with black robes. that's what the heritage foundation is counting on and the court will do to some degree. they are going to make it tough, mostly for gop republican states, that's the irony here. >> your response to that dan? >> it's sort of funny to say the court is beholding to folks.

they had a prime opportunity in 2012 to strike down the law before it took old and refused to do it. anybody that knows what the court is going to do is fooling themself but there is an opportunity to get the policy right if the court does the right thing this time. >> what is the right thing? if the law -- i mean where is it breaking the law? i mean is it unconstitutional to have any kind of subsides in our society? i mean is that where it is mike? they have to answer that question? >> look they have to do physical gymnastics, if you look at this logically, legally, president, they don't get there. >> all right. gentlemen -- >> they will find a way to get there. >> we'll talk about it when the decision is made. good to have you with us tonight on "the ed show". that is "the ed show." "politics nation" with reverend al sharpton starts now.

tonight on "politics nation," time to move the flag. south carolina's governor calls on the confederate flag to be removed and come down. president obama makes big headlines talking about race. also closing in police find dna from the killers who escaped from a new york prison. and the first lady tries out a new job, magazine editor with some special help from the president. we'll take you behind the scenes.