gentlemen -- >> they will find a way to get there. >> we'll talk about it when the decision is made. good to have you with us tonight on "the ed show". that is "the ed show." "politics nation" with reverend al sharpton starts now. tonight on "politics nation," time to move the flag. south carolina's governor calls on the confederate flag to be removed and come down. president obama makes big headlines talking about race. also closing in police find dna from the killers who escaped from a new york prison. and the first lady tries out a new job, magazine editor with some special help from the president. we'll take you behind the scenes. welcome to "politics

nation." we begin with breaking news south carolina's republican governor calling to remove the confederate flag from the state house grounds. >> for many people in our state, the flag stands for to digss that are noble, traditions of history, heritage and ancestry. the for many others in south carolina, the flag is a deeply offensive symbol of a brutally oppressive past. today we are here in a moment of unity in our state without ill will to say it's time to move the flag from the capital grounds. [ applause ] >> governor hailey says she wants the legislator to act on taking the flag down this summer. this comes less than a week after the brutal racist massacre

at the mother emanuel church. this photos surfaced showing the accused gunman posing with confederate flags. it's a symbol of racism and hate. the same symbol we saw a tea party protester waving outside the white house in 2013. there is no place for this in our politics, and today, some of south carolina's top officials agreed. msnbc's greg melvin is live in colombia south carolina. how does the governors, how did the governor's announcement, how was it received there on the ground of south carolina? >> reporter: you know rev, i have yet to talk to a person so far whose opposed to the decision that was announced today. i was in the ratunda when that was played. there was at least five or six occasions where people who were in that room applauded. one of the things that may have

gotten lost in all of this for folks not familiar with south carolina politics the sheer optics of what we saw. we saw the republican governor two republican senators along with the assistant democratic leader and at the end there, you saw the son of the late senator therman, a well-known segregationest at one point. i'm from colombia and my 30 plus years of living, i've never seen that kind of bipartisan presentation in the dome behind me. this is state and capital that has long been known for its political polarization, but today not so much. here is the thing -- >> let's be clear, craig, a lot of this is in reaction to this massacre and the outpouring of outrage all over the country. i've been going to south carolina for years, spend a lot of time there when i ran for president. these very same people that stood today including governor

hailey had a much different position not too long ago. >> reporter: you beat me to it. not just governor hailey you talk to lindsey gram you talk to a lot of republican officials in the room today. you talk to them six months ago, they were singing a wildly different tune. the governor called for the senate and house the to come back. i've spoken with a number of state lawmakers that said this is not a done deal. >> right. >> you would think they would have had the votes counted before today's announcement. apparently not so much. the this is still, this is still something that has to be approved by a super majority. we're talking two-thirds of the general assembly in south carolina. >> may not be done this session, so we got a nice announcement. we picked up big support but those of us this is by no means a done deal. thank you msnbc's craig melvin thank you for your reporting

tonight. in the moment since governor hailey hailey's announcement, we've seen a flood of republican presidential candidates trying to avoid getting caught on the wrong side of the issue. mitt romney tweeted take down the confederate flag at the south carolina capital. to many it's a symbol of racial hatred. remove it now to honor charleston's victims but none of the big names in the gop field did 2016 feel that is, none of them echoed the statement and only coming out now that you've gotten political cover from governor hailey. jeb bush just tweeted kudos to nikki haley and all those standing with her to do the same thing but over the weekend he said south carolina should do the right thing but wouldn't say what that was and last week he

wouldn't say the charleston attack was about race we have to go on these issues. using some blunt language. >> the legacy of savory jim crow discrimination in almost every institution of our lives. that cast a long shadow and that's still part of our dna. that's passed on. we're not cured of it. >> racism. >> racism we're not cured of. >> clearly. >> and it's not just a matter of it not being poll litite to say [ bleep ] in public. that's not the measure of whether ris says macism exists or not. it's not just discrimination. societies don't overnight

completely erase everything that happened two to 300 years prior. >> racism and discrimination still exist, and if you pretend they don't, it shows in your policies. look at poverty. look at education. criminal justice reform. health care, voting rights, these issues all impacted by race all disproportionally, negatively impact the african american, then the latino community and those of us that raise it are not being divisive are not polarizing. those that won't deal with an unfair structural gap, they are the ones being polarizing, they are the ones being extreme in trying to pull the country apart because to pull the together tonight, you must have fairness

you must have equal opportunity and equal protection under the law. let's talk about it. let me go over we have tonight, let me walk over to our guest, jamil buoy and joan walsh. great to have you with us. >> thanks rev. >> thank you. >> joan lots of republicans try to dance. i mean literally dance. >> literally. >> dance around the flag issue. around the issue of race. i mean let me show you. >> for those of us running for president, everyone is being baited with this question with somehow that has anything to do whatsoever with running for president and my position is it most certainly does not. >> i would say that these are decisions that should be made by people. i don't think the federal government or federal candidate should be making decisions on everything and opining on everything this is a decision that needs to be made here in south carolina. >> so you have one candidate

saying a confederate flag hanging in front of a state building that gets federal money and you have people that are paying federal and state taxes has nothing to do with being president. >> none of our business. >> none of us business even though it's public money and another one, his answer is state's rights let the states handle it. >> these guys had no problem weighing in on indiana's so-called religious freedom law. they weigh in right and left on local, women's rights and all 50 states. they weigh in constantly on the things they are based, they believe their base cares about, rev. it's so outrageous that the republican that took a stand, mitt romney is a republican not running for president. >> he did not take the step in south carolina last time. jamel, your reaction to the dancing of the republican candidates this weekend. >> well, like joan said it's

funny to watch candidates going to weigh in to a whole host of things and i should say if either of them were president, they would be asked to weigh in on things like this. this is very much, the question is very much part of being president of the united states running for president of the united states. i'll say real quickly in romney's defense, in 2007 he did actually speak out against the confederate flag. he didn't say anything last time around but sort of it's been in the history to a pose the flying of the flag over the state house. >> he has taken the position but did not campaign on it and certainly didn't say it during the south carolina primary last time but he has said it earlier. jamil is absolutely correct. talking about saying it earlier, i must give credit. dr. ben wrote an op criticizing his colleagues in the republican party for not calling what happened in south carolina racism and when we know find

out that the -- and let we show some of that there are people claiming they could lead this country who dare not call this tragedy an act of racism a hate crime for fear of offending a particular segment of the electric. we have to face the facts. i don't agree with dr.him but that was right on as we would say and we find out a white supremeacistsupremacist, who is the leader quoted by the sheeter had actually donated to republicans. they are not keeping the money, but he had donated $65,000 of republican campaign funds. >> including mia love. i mean this is very deep reverend al and this party has sadly been too often trying to play at the edges of racism and racial hate. they know there is a segment of the base. not the majority but there is a

strong vocal segment that does harbor racist attitude. i want to the applaud what nikki haley did and it was a beautiful sign of unity as craig melvin said but i want to say this is a weird event that is at the same time long over due and yet, it happened shockingly fast today and it really shouldn't have taken this horrible mass massacre. we didn't need martyrs to learn this is a sign of hate and there was self-congratulations in the performance that bugged me. there was a little smiling. we are burying nine people who died because of racism. it was not a happy day. >> nine people that died because of racism by in my opinion, a domestic terrorist act, and it takes that and not only shouldn't take that to get them to say the flag should come down, it can't end with just a flag coming down because you

can't remove something that shouldn't have been there in terms of optics and not deal with the policies. that's why i talked about dealing with the poverty and the criminal justice system and all of these things. you can't just take the flag down and say, oh we did that in inryin memory of them. let's move on with business as usual. >> you can't just take down the flag. you have to think in terms of policies and both places where there is possibilities for bipartisan cooperation and criminal justice reform but the republican party needs to the look in the mirror and think about policies on things like voting rights. on things like voter id that it is unusual, not unusual, it's weird to watch a party congratulate itself about taking down the confederate flag but enter the same breathe so to speak, support of the restrictive voter id laws which we know for a fact harm the ability of minorities and

african americans in particular to vote and i would love to see republican candidates speak out against those laws but the fact of the matter is we're not going to see that and that is i think deeply disappointing. >> that is why i think people have to continue being active that is why those of us who have public platforms or positions have to raise the issue because those are the civil rights issues, those are the human rights issues of today joan. >> right. >> voting poverty, income inequality, wealth gap based on race, education based on race. to stand around and congratulations yourself for taking down a flag over 150 years after the civil war is nothing to pat yourself on the back about. >> exactly. >> they lost the civil war. >> a long time ago. >> or did they get the e-mail? joan walsh and jamel buoy thank you for your time tonight. >> thank you. >> thanks rev. breaking news ahead, police

find dna, boots and bloody socks from the killers who escaped from the new york prison. are police closing in? >> this is a conif i recallfirmed lead. it's generated a massive law enforcement response and we'll run this to ground. also think hillary clinton would be hurt by supporting the president? think again. we have big numbers from our new nbc poll you'll see first here tonight. and we'll go behind the scenes as mrs. obama take the as turn as magazine editor and gets personal about the first family. when you travel, we help you make all kinds of connections. connections you almost miss.

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breaking news in the search for two of the fbi's most wanted criminals. there is evidence they were recently in a cabin just 20

miles north of that prison they escaped from. nbc news learned police found n dna from both prisoners. reporting boots, bloody socks, and toiletries were found, along with a water jug and a jar of peanut butter that had been opened at the hunting camp and "the new york times" reports a pair of prison-issued underwear was also found in the cabin. >> we have evidence the suspects may have spent time in a cabin in this area. we have recovered specific items in the cabin and afforded them to the appropriate laboratories. >> it's a confirmed lead and has a massive law enforcement response as you can see and we'll run this to ground. >> joining me now is retired atf

special agent in charge jim. thanks for being here. >> thank you. >> how important are these discoveries in the cabin, jim? >> reverend al this is a big discovery because it's so certain. they have seen the prison underwear, the items and matched the dna to both mean. this is a strong lead. they are on their heels. these guys are on foot. they have no help. i think they will have them rounded up here in the next few days. >> now, here is another twister that's come up jim, because today the editor of the plats burg press said the hunting camp where the intrusion took place is owned by a group of correction officers. what do you make of that rev revelation revelation, jim?

>> that talk is all over the prison. when you're inside a detention facility or jail, everything that's said goes around and around and around and everybody knows everything. you know we all worked at buildings, at places and companies and organizations and we know how information travels. when you take that into a prison you can magnify that about 10,000 times. so if one correction officer says to another, you know i've got that old cabin up by the lake yeah i'm not going to go back up until august or use it in the fall or whatever thanks goes right around. one trustee sweeping the floor, every inmate will know that soon. so that information that owned by a correction officer tells me that somehow it got to matt and sweat. may not necessarily be got to them criminally doesn't mean a correction officer necessarily helped them that could be but it could be just talk and rumor in the prison. >> so it could be the way. now the bloody sock could it be one of them was injured?

>> i think that's absolutely true. the woods are very, very treacherous of people that don't travel in the woods. if you're traveling or running in the woods and especially at night trying to get away from someone, you have a great chance of being injured. you fall cut your ankle on a rock, ledge, so you know desperate fugitives will do desperate things but desperate wounded fugitives, you know they will do desperate and stupid things. these guys are at a point to do something if they are on food in the woods with a time after them so high time for a crime so everybody needs to be on their toes. these guys will have to do what we talked about, back to just getting out of the manhole with all the officers on their heels, they will try to carjack somebody, get a vehicle, hurt somebody to get away. they likely got there on foot and able to last for awhile but it will come to the ahead soon because they can't travel fast

on food if wounded and hungry and tired. >> we learned police have been questioning another correction officer from the prison, jeangene pal mer. he worked there for 28 years and had routine access to the prison shop where sweat and matt worked and received a painting from richard matt. he's been put on administrative leave from the prison. jim, his attorney says he didn't know anything about the escape plans but could there have been someone else on the inside helping these guys break out? >> well it's possible certainly, rev but it doesn't necessarily mean it's the this officer, either. remember matt and sweat could have been working the officers and that's where, you know maybe he has some relation or friend to who owns the cabin or knows the cabin is up there and giving him paintings, trying to give him information. that doesn't mean he's a conspirator. the district attorney has not charged him, he's just under

administrative leave. right now he's a witness for the state and they will have to decide what exactly his role was there, his attorney says he's cooperating. the fact he's not charged leads me to believe they don't have direct serious information he has, you know helped them at this point. so it may just be that there is some and maybe it's his cabin or he got a painting from matt. so there is questions to be answered but the outcome is yet to be determined. >> thank you for your time tonight. >> thanks reverend al. >> coming up breaking news on 2016, we're moments away from the new nbc news poll what it says about hillary clinton, the gop, and the obama effect. plus oops rick perry's new answer on health care has him back in tonight's got ya. it's so shiny. i know, mommy, but it's time to let the new kitchen get some sleep. if you want beautiful results,

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laws but brand-new numbers from an nbc news wall street journal poll show the critics are flat wrong. when you look at the new poll hillary clinton versus the presumed front runner jeb bush, 48%-40% in a head-to-head matchup. let's keep going. hillary clinton versus the senator marco rubio. 50%-40% in a heads up matchup. let's keep going. hillary clinton versus scott walker, who governor of wisconsin in a head-to-head matchup. 51%-37%, and when we look at the

last figures that we releasing tonight, we find that the candidates themselves the republicans, i wanted to go a few graphs down 22% for jeb bush 17% for the scott, governor scott walker and 14% for senator rubio. now, when you look at this the top contender can only get 22%, that is not exactly a mandate from his party. but let's talk about it. with tara and ryan grim. thank you both for being here tonight. >> thank you. >> thank you, re reverend. >> it's up eight points now we see all of the predictions, ryan, that if mrs. clinton identify with president obama

would hurt her, has not hurt her at all. we just released a brand-new nbc poll. what does this tell you? >> the president's approval rating you know has gone up in coincidence with him taking more action from the white house, whether climate change orr i'm immigration order. the more he dealt with the base and satisfied those particular concerns, the stronger the entire country has rallied around him as you've often said progressive ideas are actually not that. you'll find 50% support. so hilary picking up some of these ideas clearly, is going to pick up a lot of that strength and what she's saying is this will be a base election and i'm not going to have some kind of sister soldier moment where i attack democrats but instead hillary clinton and democrats together will go into election day.

>> and it has not hurt her, tara. she's openly embraced some of president obama issues some to positions, said bold things a lot of us are still watching to see and she's actually in the polls, she's been helped by it. >> right and let's look at what is telling hillary clinton to distance herself from the president. it's republicans. why on earth would any democratic politic take advice from republicans how to run a campaign? makes zero sense. the bottom line as ryan pointed out, progressive policies particularly economic policies are popular. the minimum wage paid sick leave, these are things president obama has championed throughout his term and advertise tenure and when he champion the them he laid them out following every state of the union address. we saw massive support for the policies that this president has laid out.

so why would she take advice from republicans? >> makes sense to me. ryan you know jeb bush who is at this point the front runner he sounds a lot like the last republican nominee. listen to this. >> obamacare is a job killer. >> obamacare is clearly a job killer. >> do we want a european style government centric nation. >> the new normal is european-style growth. >> the government is so intrusive that it can command free enterprise. >> the most complicated confusing intrusive regulatory system. >> it is wrong to make any change that would make america more of a nation of government dependency dependency. >> they built a spider web that traps people. >> so a little erie they sound so much alike but from a

political strategist point of view or commentator, wouldn't you say you would not advice someone to sound like the guy that lost last time against the same policies? >> not with this political alignment. ironically sounds like mitt romney but it's his brother, george bush that ushered in the current realignment, which was a major shift from the coalition that elected clinton. obama solidified that and that's the precise one that hillary clinton is picking up and planning to run all the way into the white house with -- so when you have the numbers that you're facing, in other words as mitt romney said there is 47% with democrat, it's actually a lot more than 47%, about 53%. the numbers, you know they just don't add up for this type of a strategy and sure maybe mitt romney didn't know that at the time and he gave it a good shot

but for jeb bush to repeat the same strategy you know does call it into question a bit. >> tara if the debates were today, here let me show you the ten candidates that would make the cut. the top ten. now what is interesting about that is on the stage is everyone from jeb bush to carly. here is the candidates who would not make the cut including john casey who is the governor of ohio where the debate would take place. [ laughter ] >> that's actually kind of funny. of course these guys wouldn't make the cut. is trump even really running? there is that. this looks like one big marketing opportunity for him. he's not serious. i think the republican elect realize he's not serious and when you look at governor he's

not been able to excite the base and lindsey gram same thing. kasich, i think is interesting. you know obviously i'm on the democratic side but he's interesting because his economic policies -- >> and lindsey gram can be very provocative. tara and ryan thank you for your time tonight. >> thank you reverend. ahead, the first lady takes control. first she sends out this vintage photo of barack obama with his daughters and it goes viral on father's day. and now she's about to make even more news. she guest edits a leading women's magazine. i'll talk to the editor and chief, next. there's a more enjoyable way to get your fiber. try phillips' fiber good gummies plus energy support. it's a new fiber supplement that helps support regularity and includes b vitamins to help convert food to energy. mmmmm, these are good! nice work, phillips! the tasty side of fiber, from phillips'.

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the first lady has been on magazine covers before but this comes with a big twist, michelle obama is guest editing the issue of "more" magazine. as an editor mrs. obama had her hand in everything pitching and choosing articles for the issue. it's meaning is more impact and features some of her own initiatives like the let's move campaign to combat childhood

obesity and work for children and military families. the first lady also sat down with meryl streep to talk about their families careers and mentors. >> hi. >> how are you? you've been busy. >> thank you so much for doing the this. >> and the magazine gets personal with a photo album with mrs. obama's favorite family snapshots. it's a rare and inside look at the first lady's private life and public goals. a look we've never quite had before. the issue hits the news stands tomorrow. joining me now is leslie jane editor and chief of "more magazine." thank you for coming. >> happy to be here. >> having a first lady guest editor. who prompted mrs. obama to do

this? >> it's crazy. i'm so happy. i wanted to do something i've never done before and i approached her with the idea and shockingly, they said yes so it's great. >> wow. now working with her, what surprised you? what's the thing that stood out that surprised you about working with her? >> what is so amazing is first of all i traveled with her. i traveled chasing her. i wasn't on the plane, to japan and cambodia to launch let girls learn and worked with her in the white house for the shoot. we had most of the day working on the shoot so two interesting things one is when she travels, the world, like i got into a cab and cambodia and my cab driver is like oh my god, mrs. obama is coming, we're excited. there is a little pixy dust that goes along with her. there is something glammous.

she's got the brains the know how and the extra kind of package and then in the white house what was really interesting as we were going through her photos and talking about history and at the very end, i said you have to tell me how are you so grounded? you live in this place. you go through you know this incredible news cycle all the time. she's just like she's just grounded right in there. she was so interesting. she said this place makes you more of whoever you are, and she is this she's just like grounded. she hasn't forgotten. >> i've found her to be authentic. >> very authentic. she loves, what is interesting is i never understood her craziness for kids. i'm a mom and love kids too, and it was so interesting to understand as i followed her around to cambodia and saw her with the these young kids in cambodia who want to get to school and have to face all these impediments to get to

school. one little girl had to get up at 4:00 in the morning and cows and put out the rice for the family and she'll say to them and said it over and over but it's kind of the through line is that she really sees herself in them. you know she said i was under estimated. nobody thought much of me. nobody thought i was going to go anymore. no one thought much of me. they were passing me over. and that's what is so interesting about her is she kept her humanity and she's kept her realness. >> and not with any bitterness or i'm going to get even but just to grow and to be that example. why the interview with her and meryl streep? >> you say we got the first lady and who do you want to put her in a room with and hear her to talk about? who has more in common with her of being an enormous celebrity, raising strong young girls, both

of them have young, strong girls and creating balance in a life. how do you do that? who are the two most interesting people you would want to be a fly on the wall with, meryl streep. >> she is a great person. one of the things having her as a guest article, the president wrote an article on how being president made him a better father. i was intrigued by that. >> very cute. >> he also admitted not being the perfect dad quote i helped on my determines and on my schedule and the expectations and the burden disproportionally and unfairly fell on michelle as happens to many women. he was pretty candidate about his faults. did that surprise you? >> yes, i was very surprised by her candidness and his and i love that.

that's kind of who "more" is about. it's a lifestyle magazine and we have very inthe tell jenlt read er -- intelligent and can't put the bs level over them. >> let me ask you a question leslie. with hilary on the ballot in 2016, will women have more impact on the elections? >> the last few elections women have been a turning point so i guess absolutely and i think this is a moment that a lot of women have been waiting for. so let's hope. >> leslie jane thank you for your time tonight. be sure to check out "more" magazine available on news stands tomorrow. still to come honoring the beautiful nine big news about how the city of charleston is coming together.

it's the million dollar question about the $10 bill. the treasury department is putting a woman on the $10, but who will it be? people are talking about hard yit tub man or eleanor roosevelt or civil rights activist rosa parks but that's just the start of the debate.

some believe a different bill should be overhauled. there had already been a separate push to replace andrew jackson on the $20 bill with a woman, and the guy currently on the $10 bill, alexander hamilton will stay remain on the bill in some capacity. >> so a woman is not getting her own bill at all? she'll be splitting it with alexander hamilton. this is the perfect embodyiment of the women right's movement. women ask for something and men talk about it and they give the woman half and ask her to share it. >> even a former chairman of the fed is speaking out. he writes replace andrew jackson a man of unattractive qualities and a poor president on the $20 bill. the debate is on but what we do

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finally tonight, remembering the charleston beautiful nine. this was the front page of sunday's local paper, dedicated to all nine lives cut short by tragedy. at emanuel church hundreds gathered outside to mourn. the church overflowing with worshippers, inside more than 1,000 filled the pews coming together for the first service since the shooting. >> the blood of the mother emanuel nine requires us to work until not only justice in this case but for those who are still living in the margin of life. >> last night thousands of

people took to the streets in the city forming a unity chain to remember those lost. the day was particularly hard in charleston because it wasn't only sunday it was also father's day, a tragic father's day for the victims' families a day that some children went through without their dad, and some fathers went through without a son or daughter. funerals for the victims are expected this week. president obama will deliver the eulogy for reverend pickney on friday. being with some of the victims, i like many wrestled with trying to make sense out of this horrific tore rorerrorist attack to me. you can't make sense of it. my fear now is whether history

will have a problem making sense on what we do in response to it. we can never go back to that night and turn it around but the days after, how we deal with the underlying issues and the legal system will that make sense when people look back on how we behaved after the this massacre? thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton "hardball" starts right now. the right decision let's play "hardball." >> good evening. i'm chris matthews. in washington it took a few days but the tragedy in charleston turned some heads, perhaps some hearts as well. this afternoon the governor and