americans, including 2 escaped murderers and the cop that is are hot on their trail. >> i'm chriskrystal ball. nbc news is said the pair is together. we are also told that dna from both the men was found inside that cabin. that is the most credible lead that we have had since the escape 18 days ago. that rugged cabin in upstate new york's adirondack mountains reportedly a sink wood stove and electricity of a generator. highly trained tactical teams are searching empty seasonal camps and abandoned ones up and down route 27 spanning that area. they're using atvs to cut through the swamps and the thick brush. one theory that's gaining

traction today is that matt and sweat could have following old railroad beds from the prison right up through this area. but the man whose wife is charged with helping the killers said she said she was in over her head. >> he started to threaten with someone inside the facilities was going to do something to me to harm me or kill me or somebody outside the jail if she didn't stay with this. she said matt was giving her attention and stuff and she did not believe that i loved her anymore. she said it went too far. he tried to kiss her a couple times. she said no. and she said that's when he started to threaten her a little bit. >> is it your and her contention that he manipulated her to the point where she did the things she did. >> i believe so. >> do you support her? >> as of right now, i don't know what to think. >> lyle mitchell has not been charged with anything and his

lawyer says that he is cooperating fully with the investigation. joyce mitchell has pled not guilty to supplying tools. she has not been charged directly with taking part in the plan. mbs nbc's adam reiss is in owl's head new york. adam, let's start on what's happening right now with this search. >> reporter: sure. they believe that saturday's dna find is the best lead yet they have got. they want to take advantage of it. secure the perimeter here that they cannot leave this area. they still believe they're together. they're on foot. somewhere in the woods around me. we are in the adirondack mountains. i spoke to the sheriff of franklin county a short timing a ago. i'll let him explain what it is like. >> it's dense. there's underbrush. there's just -- it's not easily passable. which, you know, a lot of times leads us to believe or if they're in this area they're

using atv trails and railroad bed and power lines and easier to traverse and different and even for the animal that is live here difficult country to get through. >> reporter: now, these guys are tired. they're wet. they're hungry and cold. it's been raining a lot. it gets colder at night. they're desperate. they don't want the go back to jail. they're on the run and they're very dangerous. krystal? >> thank you. let's bring in shawn henry, he's president of crowd strike services. nice to see you. >> good to see you. >> so they found dna of both of the guys in that cabin. another potential sighting. we have to be closing in on these guys right? >> that's probably the case. time is on the side of the law enforcement here. they're tired. they're hungry. they're overwhelmed. they might be injured. there's reports of blood in the cabin. walking through this treacherous terrain, certainly dangerous. so time is on the side of law

enforcement here and i think that it's just really just a matter of time. >> you talk about the terrain. the environment in general is not helpful to those guys trying to run away and also not helpful to the police. the weather has not been helping hand in this situation to drill that down let's bring in meteorologist dominica davis to talk about the weather up there and the weather for millions of other americans. start on the weather that's going on around that search area. >> hi toure. this is a big weather station and affecting upstate new york. dry and hot and humid and the winds picking up. we could see that from that live shot that we just had. the cold front is starting to move in and see strong storms forming from pittsburgh all the way into harrisburg and pushing into new york city. several thunderstorm warnings issued. with these cells that have been forming this afternoon, what we have been seeing is winds in excess of 60 miles per hour. so straight-line winds, hail. that is going to be a major

threat right through this evening. now, here's the widespread threat risk. 45 million people are in this enhanced risk zone and upstate new york is a part of this. so we're talking widespread wind damage. can't rule out the possibility of tornadoes. now, that fact of tornadic activity is at a low percent but something to certainly see just like we saw yesterday in the illinois area. here's our thunderstorm watch boxes and these are going to go right into the evening. it extends from maine all the way down to boston new york philadelphia, and right down into charleston. so the northeast corridor is going to be under the gun for at least the next several hours and, again, this severe threat will move through along with that cold front. the tornado risk will be at about a 5% so that's something they could also see up through parts of upstate new york. back the you, toure. >> all right. thanks. we'll check back as conditions

warrant. shawn, has the weather made life harder for the cops looking for the escapees? >> yeah. it will make it more difficult for them to the extent there's inclement weather, rain or clouds. that grounds aerial surveillance helpful in that situation like this. it makes it visibility is more difficult and it's certainly more treacherous for law enforcement out going through the same type of brush. that being said they've got the ability to go home take a nap, come back. they're able to run shifts so guys can warm up men and women. they can maintain their strength. for fugitives, that's not the case. they're getting tired. they're getting hungry and the weather only makes it much more difficult for them. the advantage for law enforcement inclement weather rather than the fugitives. >> and the point here to break them down is something that experts in the region have talked about put up a quote of jim hall speaking to "the new york times." he's a certified adirondack guide saying it's rugged some of the toughest in the state. black bears.

they have to be hungry dirty, wet and code. not a woodsman you could die out there real easy. raising the idea that having some of the criminal expertise quote/unquote they may have and good at violence may not be the difference between life and death for them right now. >> yeah. you know hypothermia is something to be concerned about. even in the summer months. it gets down to 70s or 60s. with constant wetness, the clothing is wet, if you can't get inside shelter, can't get out of the elements the body heat and temperature constantly drops. that's certainly dangerous. i know these are dangerous criminals and people are said suggested that perhaps they're not taken alive. and in the case like this prolonged, it wouldn't completely surprise me if somebody turned themselves in getting the brink where there was just so arduous and difficult, closing in on potential life threatening conditions to turn themselves in. >> that would certainly be an interesting outcome. shawn, we played earlier some of

the clips of nbc's exclusive interview with joyce mitchell's husband lyle mitchell the prison worker her husband. matt lauer sat down with him and it doesn't seem like he's a type of guy that is guilty of anything or that really knew anything but at the same time such a bizarre situation it's hard to know who to believe in the story. let's play a little bit more of this. >> she told me that matt wanted her to pick them up. she said i won't leave lyle. he said give him some pills to knock him up and come pick us up. she said i love hi husband. i am not hurting him. she said then i knew i was in over my head. i can't do this. >> shawn, what do you make of that interview? do you think there's any reason to believe that mitchell's husband knows more than he's leading on? >> you know i don't know that he knows more. perhaps it's ignorant bliss. maybe he's kind of got his head

out of this. the reason that somebody's motivated to do something like joyce mitchell's allegedly done here, you know are you motivated by money? that's not the case here. motivated by fear? perhaps. i think more likely we heard about people talking about the love relationships in prison and she is getting attention, told her husband he's paying attention to me. i felt like didn't love me anymore. that's what she appears to be motivated by here. maybe she got anxious and bowed out at the last moment on the back end of this escape but that clearly seems the case. >> you're saying law enforcement interpretation of the interview is unhelpful to her case? >> that is unhelpful? >> yes. >> well she is going to make a defense. her attorneys make a defense on her behalf. that's not a valid defense you fell in love or felt you were being paid attention to. that's not a valid defense for what shedy. it doesn't appear to me her

husband is come police sit but he wants to believe her for sure. >> absolutely. all right. shawn, thank you so much. we appreciate it. >> thank you. and we'll of course keep you posted on that line of storms and also on the search. but next a decades' old controversy solved in days? how did the confederate flag wind up at south carolina's capitol in the first place? exactly who put it there may surprise you. and from the state house to the u.s. capitol, i just asked virginia senator mark warner whether a famous confederate general belongs in statuary hall. plus what the new nbc news poll reviles about the 2016 race. when's shocking is what isn't. if that made sense to you, you're pretty quick. "the cycle" rolls on for tuesday, june 23rd. two streetlights. the only difference: that little blue thingy. you see it? that's a sensor. using ge software, the light can react to its environment- getting brighter only when it's needed. in a night it saves a little energy.

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just into the msnbc newsroom, dash cam video show it is arrest of the confessed charleston church shooter. this is a shelby north carolina, police cruiser. dash cam there that shooter is charged with nine counts of murder and possession of a firearm during the commission of a violent crime. police say he did not put up a fight. his next court appearance is not until october. funerals for the victims start later this week. the tragedy in charleston of course, opened a national discussion of how such a young person could have been so deeply racist. you bick wous and legitimized in areas, despite symbolizing for many slavery.

craig melvin has more on how we got to this point. >> reporter: a decades long fight over whether this flag means heritage or hate may soon be over. >> we are here in a moment of unity in our state without ill will to say it's time to move the flag from the capitol grounds. [ applause ] >> reporter: most of the republicans standing by governor haley in the announcement stood behind the fight to fly the flag including senator graham. >> i just think the pressure quite frankly, has been building to act sooner rather than later. >> reporter: lawmakers say nine churchgoers killed by a man with a fascination of the flag fueled the controversy. protests and ridicule. >> the confederate flag is a symbol to be on belt buckles and bumper stickers to help the rest of us identify the worst people in the world. >> reporter: the battle flag hoisted in 1962 by state leaders

as a thumb in the eye to the federal government pushing deseg agree regular gags. they moved it in front of the state house. while some see it as a symbol of southern pride, many locals are applauding the governor's move. >> i grew up in this. i grew up in south carolina. i grew up in jim crow. we are not going to stop until it really comes down. >> reporter: beyond south carolina, retail giant walmart announcing monday it will pull all confederate flag merchandise from the stores and website saying in a statement we never want to offend anyone with the products we offer. >> craig melvin thank you for that report. south carolina state legislature will debate removing the flag. momentum is clearly growing to remove the flag but should it? should this flag be blamed for what happened in charleston? we'll spin on this. it's special because we are going to include friend of the show and south carolina native

jimmy williams. jimmy, when i see the confederate flag i feel fear. i feel a desire on the part of the person who's raising it to erase me to erase my human rights, to act like they want to go back to a time when there was a clear racial hierarchy that did not include me that sort of a step against racial justice. i feel all of those things. and, you know some might say, well that's not what i intend but those are the symbols that were poured into the flag at the beginning. if i can quote the man who would become the vice president of the confederacy, in 1861 he said our new government is founded upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man. that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition. so jimmy, when we realize that that is actually poured into the flag at its inception, how am i supposed the now look at it and not think a person is trying to

express some sense of white superiority? >> well you are not. so just to alleviate your fear. you are not supposed to not see it that way. you read the confederate vice president's quote. if you look at the articles of secession from south carolina the word slavery is prolific. so it's -- when i was a child, i was taught that the war was because of economics. well, guess what. when you have a free entirely free workforce, that are chained literally to their work to their jobs then, yes, in fact, it is economic and also immoral. soy think that is why, you know i look at my ancestors. they owned slaves. and there's a guy named george sentian. loyalty to our an ses sos does not include loyalty to their mistakes. as a southern american and a man before that, i look at that and say to myself i'm not responsible for what my

ancestors did. the only thing that i can do and that we can do the five of us and everyone else is to try to pay it forward. to make it so that our nieces and nephews and children live in a place where, you know jim crow -- you heard the gentleman talk about jim crow. where that doesn't exist and not just for black american but for lgbt americans, hispanic americans, women. women were not able to vote until however many years ago. this hiscountry has a history of putting people down. what will we do to lift people up into equal justice under the law? >> that is really beautifully said jimmy. i'm amazed at how quickly this debate has turned obviously, i'm from virginia. grew up off of jefferson davis highway and went to school at clemson university and there in 2000 when this was last being really seriously debated. so, for me it's just remarkable to see how quickly the politics of this has turned and see

national retailers following suit and craig mel sin mentioned. we have amazon making news today saying they too, pulling confederate items, merchandise from the website. i applaud all of that. but the relationship with confederate symbolism and imam ri is still complex. i just talked to senator mark warner a senator from virginia former govern nor of virginia, the fact that virginia has a statue of robert e. lee in statuary hall in the capitol. so this is what they have sent to represent and the criteria here is citizens deemed worthy of national commemoration. i asked him about that statue. here's what he said. >> do you think that general lee fits that qualification? >> i'm going to leave that to state legislature. i would say, as well that as you know in richmond we have got one of the main avenues called monument avenue that has not only robert e. lee but stonewall

jackson and arthur ashe on it as well. i think those kind of decisions they were figures in history. i don't believe necessarily that robert e. lee has the same connotation as a confederate flag. >> not ready to put this confederate general aside. >> you know, it is interesting. when you watch this play out, myself, for example, from the west, not from the south, and from a younger generation you wonder why we're having this debate so far past when we should have been having this debate when you have something, a symbol that represents something so controversial, something so so full of hate and something that makes americans feel uncomfortable, you wonder why it is still being represented in any way other than a museum if that's where people want to put that. as i've watched this debate play out, i have to say we're so quick to point fingers at someone or play the blame game and often it's the republicans' fault. think tier reason why the flag

is up there and interesting part of history, jim anymy you know this better than any of us, 1961, '62, democrats ran the state house, southern democrats and we are having the conversation a real opportunity for everyone regardless of political affiliation to say let's do whatever we can to make every single american feel comfortable, not because of one event but the right thing to do jimmy. >> i think the republican party is at a precipice. i think with nikki haley's leadership and it is leadership, i will call it that. political leadership. she did the right thing. the republican party is now at a dropping off point if you will that if they cross that line and vote to take down the flag what's next? can the republican party, for example, reauthorize the voting rights a snkt supreme court struck down part of it. can the republican party do the same thing with regard to the lgbt community? i'm not hopeful but i hope that's the case. but the political realignment from the parties and the 1960s

democrats became republicans and in fact from 1960 to now, 245 democrats have become republicans. on the other side though only 104 republicans have become democrats. that's a telling figure and that should tell you about the political realignment. >> thank you for that. adam reiss on the phones with detills. >> we have what is described as police as an active and developing situation. we followed numerous state police and other law enforcement vehicles here. racing at speeds of about 100 miles per hour down country roads. this is a town called mountain view. about two hours -- i'm sorry. about two miles from owl's head where we had been before and that's where the headquarters for state police and law enforcement was located. so we're about 2 miles away. this is an area on a lake. it oes a campground area. it's pretty desolate. off the main road. there is a restaurant here.

pretty popular in the area. and they're searching. there's a chopper in the air. and more law enforcement vehicles are racing into this area. they have secured the perimeter and described by law enforcement on the ground active and developing. and they have asked everybody to leave the area. of course, they have asked us to leave the area. choppers are in the air and more and more law enforcement coming to this area. we don't know exactly what they found or looking at. but i can tell you there is a real sense of urgency here at this location. toure? >> all right. adam more movement than we have heard in this search for quite a while. we'll keep following that for you, of course. we'll be right back. the importance of heart health. you watch your diet, excercise... and may take an omega-3 supplement, such as fish oil. but when it comes to omega-3s, it's the epa and dha that really matter for heart health. not all omega-3 supplements are the same. introducing bayer pro ultra omega-3 from the heart health experts at bayer. with two times the concentration of epa and dha as the leading omega-3 supplement.

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on to politics now. and of our new polling is any kand igs, it is not a matter of whether a dynasty candidate can take the white house but maybe which of two candidates will. jeb bush has cemented himself as

the front-runner of republican primary voters among a crowded field. scott walker and marco rubio round out the top three there and the number of those voting for jeb searched since march. the clinton family dynasty is holding strong, as well. hi hillary has the backing of three quarters of democratic voters. better news for hillary and jeb is the polling found just 4% of respondents think that a dynasty president is a major concern. far more worried it doesn't matter when's in the white house. nothing is going to change. let's bring in a designynasty political reporter howard fineman. >> global dynasty. >> there you go. so let's start with this issue of dynasty. we claim that we hate them but if history were to be any judge it seems like we love them. >> we have had quite a few of them going back to the adamses and the early late 18th and

early 19th century. i think the american people are shrewd about this. they know that dynasty in politics doesn't necessarily get you where you need to go. i mean, like in "game of thrones" what's a dynasty without a dragon? it is not clear. >> wow. >> well, of course. >> nice. >> and so i think they understand the mechanics of politics today. i think that same poll shows that the number one concern of the american people about the way politics works is not dynasties and families which rise or fall and which we respect in a way because our love of families but the money, the money in politics. if it's dynasty that also controls billions and spending those billions on a campaign that's something different. and in a way they're more worried at least according to

the poll about the huge floods of money in politics especially i would think from billionaires and corporations. think tier true dynasties these days, especially the corporations. think they that's what this poll reflects. >> fairly common to talk about voters not liking this. there does seem to be some part of partisan rift howard. looking over the 50 years of 1952 to 2004 we've got the numbers on this. 14 presidential elections. in 11 of them you had nixon or a bush family member on the ballot or in the white house. 11 out of 14 over half a century a tremendous amount of change tremendous number of other potential options put before an evolving republican electorate and they have as you know and you've been allowed on the road covering a lot of races they have gone back to the well earlier with nixon and bush and may do it again. >> we framed it slightly differently in the huffington post to make it the same point.

i think in 7 of the last 8 elections until 2012, the 8 previous to that there was either a clinton or a bush on the ballot. >> right. >> and in hillary's case narrowly losing the nomination to obama. so that shows you, i mean you can tell the history of the last 30 or 35 years of american politics as a sort of double helix of clintons and bushes. that seems to be where we're headed. and it is also true that name recognition and familiarity unless it's the familiarity of the kind that donald trump has, familiarity is a good start. actually turns out to be a good starting point. those of us in political reporting talk about politicians being weighed down by their past their record that immobilized them. there's some truth of that but they know what they're getting in that personality and maybe

they like that this time around. it's not clear the mood of the american people is going to be. come next summer and next fall. you know, a year from now. >> right. >> but they may be in the mood for something familiar. we don't know. >> i have to love a double helix. let's talk about the helix on the left side of this. >> i don't know what that means. >> i'm straining here with "game of thrones" and everything. >> you're killing so far. >> you always come through, howard. i haven't see the finale. don't spill the beans. >> throw in a jay-z reference and it is your best segment ever. hillary works hard to woo black voters. she is at a black church in missouri. she is talking about mass incarcerations. "the new york times" today says clinton is the presidential candidate at the forefront of that discussion. and the way that racial issues have shaped her early campaign has emerged as the most striking difference of the 2016 campaign and the failed bid of '08.

>> well i think that both the demographics and the mood and the thrust of american politics has changed. in her 2008 campaign she was basically running a back ward glancing bill clinton campaign looking for that centrist coalition that bill clinton put together as the pro-business southern democrat. now it's years later. hillary is running basically as the heir to back brahm's coalition. so it makes sense for her to go in that direction. to talk about racial issues. actually she's freer in a sense to do it now than barack obama felt he was in 2007 and 2008. he's got to -- she's got to keep the coalition together. get black turnout near where it was in barack obama's election seasons. she's got to get the hispanic

vote, amp up the women's vote and jewish vote lgbt vote and talking about social justice, racial justice, cultural justice. it is a cult ram campaign of the left. not hard left on economic policy necessarily. that's what bernie sanders is working but sort of way to the left on cultural policy and by the way that left is now -- that left is now the mainstream as the republicans are finding out. this thing in charleston is a tipping point, believe me. >> yeah. and bernie sanders might be some of that pressure for her to move more to the left. she also knows to get to the general you have to win the primary and means sometimes a bit of pandering. howard, though i'm wondering what you think of what this means potentially for a republican like jeb bush coming through in a general and sweeping up the middle voters if hillary continues to move to the left does that allow for someone like jeb bush to be more appealing to folk that is are in the middle of the road independents that find themselves more fiscally conservative? as you know, in a general

election, that swing vote can go a long way. >> as i said what i think she is trying to do is occupy the ground on the left which i think that's a misnomer now. that's more of the mainstream on cultural issues and more hesitant on economic ones so she has a route back to the middle on economics and taxes and trade and so forth for the general election. i think that's her strategy. whether it works or not we'll see. i think that's her strategy. i have to say for any democrat the demographics are on the democrats' side unless the republicans can get out of the hole that the flag controversy shows they're in. >> a lot of those progressive economic policyies also popular in the mainstream. thank you. >> thank you. sigling as toure mentioned, hillary clinton about to address and the charleston massacre in missouri. meeting there with church me believes at a community meeting near ferguson and while her 2016

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camping area. there's a lake here. a lot of vacationers come here. there's waterskiing. the's some small hunting cabins sprinkled around but there are also some homes where people live here year around. again, mountain -- two miles from owl's head which was the state police headquarters. we saw vehicles here. we came over. this seems to be the focus of the -- now and law enforcement seems to have redirected all of their asets to this location. back to you. >> adam reiss, all right, keep us updated on that. also developing now, hillary clinton about to address the charleston shootings and hold a race forum at a campaign event in missouri taking part in a community meeting at a local church a short drive in ferguson and we'll bring you remarks when they happen. so far, in her 2016 run, hillary clinton has to doesed on interacting with voters not so much the media. and that is just one of the

reasons our next guest sees similarities with a past president, richard nixon. in a new opinion-ed he said it's well beyond the shared tension with the press. two-times "the new york times" best seller author steven thomas wrote the book and welcome to the show. good to see you. >> good to see you. >> you list a number of similarities of nixon and hillary clinton. you say like nixon, hillary sees enemies everywhere. an awkward campaigner hardly coming across as a politician who loves people or the media for that matter. evan, these are not qualities that come to mind when you think of someone wanting to run for president, let alone someone to vote for. but nixon ended up winning that election. what can hillary clinton take from that? >> it's worth remembering nixon awkward and shy and all those things about hillary clinton only way more so. he was the most powerful politician in the world. you don't have to be a glad

hander to be successful and nixon was driven from office because his fear of his enemies overcame him and hillary's not nixon. obviously she is not but she has some of the same qualities of a suspicion and these little scandals that kind of nip at her and she risking ings making them worse stonewalling and manipulating the press. didn't work for nixon. may not work for mrs. clinton keeping at it. >> we are awaiting hillary clinton to speak at a community event near ferguson missouri. we'll bring that live when that happens. you have a very provocative kicker on the end. you say with the hindsight of history, we can see that nixon's downfall was predictable. actually, his possibility flaws well-known before he was elected and so are hillary's. are you making a prediction? >> she will have the little scandals to keep biting her.

look. something she is involved in now nowhere near watergate, it's not. it doesn't go away. it nips at her. voter vs to realize he swoent be forthcoming and sunny and i just don't think that's who she is and her husband has been reckless, you know and various ways. and that could also come back to haunt her. he's i think wised up in some ways. sure he has. but there's a persistence to the scandal around the clintons that has to be troubling to their own supporters and her kind of sense of a grievance doesn't wear well with the press. you can ignore the press for a while or manipulate the prison for a while but you have to live with them and the scrutiny you get running for president is just unbelievable. and so i think we are going to see more of this tension with the press. >> all right. let's focus in more on your book. it is fantastic. >> thank you. >> part of what you talk about is that nixon had a hard time just dealing with people.

which is a sort of strange thing to think about someone who had so much electoral success throughout his life. his chief of staff called him the weirdest man he had ever met. yet, surely there must have been some genius for dealing with people for him to win the congress, be in congress to be a senator, to be a governor. and to win the presidency. so you know how do we rectify these two things? >> he understood outsiders. when he was in college, there was a cool guys fraternity the franklins. nixon started a fraternity for the uncool guys knowing there was more of them. he won student body president being with the outsiders against the insiders. he continued to do that all through his career. the idea of the silent majority, that's a phrase that nixon thought up and gave in a famous speech in 1969. nixon in 1972 shy, lonely man, won one of the greatest landslides in history and he won 35% of democrats.

>> hmm. >> yeah. >> fascinating. >> i just want to say, i know from's subtleties to history, it's provocative to compare to nixon because people see it as a comparisons of failures and i don't think anything hillary clinton has done in the public life relates to the impeachable offenses he committed and you have a long history book going deeper than that. having said that i wonder if you could give us a little peek into the racial strife that you look at in that history as we await hillary clinton here coming out to speak on these issues, so many other republicans speaking out right now and we're watching of course live footage waiting for hillary clinton to speak at this church. i wonder though, evan, the nixon period characterized by the lack lash politics a feeling the courts and some degree the government has gone too far quote/unquote. speak to us how he dealt with the issues and what it tells us

for today. >> nixon played on those fears, the southern strategy. but you have to -- with nixon you have to watch what he did and not what he said. nixon integrated southern public schools. people don't know that about him. when he came into office only about 10% of black kids were in integrated schools. within two years, 80% were. nixon did that. so he talked a certain way but he waspragmatic. i think he would have taken that confederate flag down. >> you do? >> i don't think there's any doubt about it. he would use anger and resentment to get himself elected but when he governed it was a different question. he was pro-affirmative action. he was pro giving economic advantages to blacks. he understood they were outsiders, too. they needed a lift. he sads the black kids aren't going to pali high unless we help them. the nixon administration did. with nixon it is complyicatecomplicated. you have to watch what he did.

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welcome back. hillary clinton has just taken the stage at war chapel ame in missouri. we are going to listen in to her live remarks now. >> and i saw the hope and the pride that comes from doing work that is meaningful learning feeling that you matter. and that there will be a place for you. that's the basic bargain of our country. and these young men and a few young women were doing their part. that night, word of the killings struck like a blow to the soul. how do we make sense of such an evil act? an act of racist terrorism perpetrated in a house of god.

how do we turn grief, anger and despair into purpose and action? those of us isn't it amazing, remarkable even when fear doubt, desire for revenge might have been expected. but instead forgiveness is found. although a fundamental part of our doctrine its practice is the most difficult thing we are

ever called to do. but that is what we saw on friday when one by one grieving parents, siblings and other family members looked at that young man who had taken so much from them and said i forgive you. wanda simmons, the granddaughter of reverend daniel simmons said "although my grandfather and the other victims died at the hands of hate this is proof. everyone's plea for your soul,," she said to the killer," "the proof they lived and loved so hate won't win." their act of mercy was as stunning as his act of cruelty. hate cannot win. there is no future without

forgiveness archbishop desmond tutu taught us. and forgiveness is the first step towards victory in any journey. i know it is tempting to dismiss a tragedy like this as an isolated incident. to believe that in today's america bigotry is largely behind us. that institutionalized racism no longer exists. but despite our best efforts and our highest hopes, america's long struggle with race is far from finished. we can't hide from hard truths about race and justice. we have to name them and own them and change them. that is why i appreciate the actions begun yesterday by the governor and other leaders of

south carolina to remove the confederate battle flag from the state house. [ applause ] recognizing it as a symbol of our nation's racist past that has no place in our present or our future. it shouldn't fly there. it shouldn't fly anywhere. [ applause ] and i also commend walmart for deciding to remove any product that uses it. today amazon ebay and sears have followed suit. and i urge all sellers to do the very same.

but you know and i know that is just the beginning of what we have to do. the truth is a quality, opportunity, civil rights in america are still far from where they need to be. our schools are still segregated. in fact more segregated than they were in the 1960s. nearly 6 million young americans between the ages of 16 and 24 are out of school and out of work. think of that. neither nor learning nor working. and the numbers are particularly high for young people of color. statistics like these are rebukes to the real progress we have made. and they pose an urgent call for

us to act publicly politically, and personally. we should start by given children opportunities to live up to their own god given potentials. i just saw some of the young people attending camp here at church down in the basement. and i was thrilled to see that because that is the kind of commitment we need more of in every church in every place, until every child is reached. and i hope we can take that as a cause for action. i learned this not from politics but from my mother who taught me that everybody, everybody needs a chance and a champion. she knew what it was like to have neither one. her own parents abandoned her. by 14 she was out on her own working as a house maid.

years later when i was old enough to understand i asked her. what kept you going? her answer was very simple. kindness along the way from someone who believed she mattered. all lives matter. and for her it was a first grade teacher who saw she had nothing to eat at lunch. and without embarrassing her brought extra food to share. it was the woman whose house she cleaned, who agreed to let her go to high school so long as her work got done. because those people believed in her, gave her a chance she believed in me. and she taught me to believe in the potential of every american. that inspired me to go to work for the children's defense fund after law school.

it inspired me to work for the legal services corporation, where i defended the rights of poor people to have lawyers. i saw lives changed because an abusive marriage ended or an illegal eviction stopped. in arkansas at the law school there, i supervised law students who represented clients in courts and prisons. organized college scholarship funds for single parents, led efforts for better schools and better healthcare. so i know. i know what personal kindness political commitments and public programs can do to help those who are trying their best to get ahead. that's why we need to build an economy for tomorrow not yesterday. you don't have to look far from this sanctuary to see why that need is so urgent. but you also don't have to look far to see that talent and

potential is all right here if only we unleash it. i believe that talent is universal. but opportunity is not. we need to rebuild the american opportunity society for the 21st century. and you might ask how do we do that? well first start looking at the faces and the energy of the young people i just saw downstairs. we have to start early. make sure every 4-year-old in america has access to high quality preschool. [ applause ] because those early years are when young brains develop. and the right foundation can lead to lifelong success. now i'm not saying this just because i'm now a grandmother, of the most amazing, brilliant, extraordinary 9 month old in the

history of the world. i'm saying this because, again, i know what the evidence is. i know that 80% of your brain is developed by the age of 3. so we have to do more. and when i say "we," i mean churches and houses of worship. i mean business i mean charities. i mean local governments. all of us have to do more to help families be their child's first teachers from 0-5. when i was first lady of arkansas i struggled with this issue. >> we have been listening to live remarks of hillary clinton speaking at a church in missouri decrying that the -- we'll continue covering that story here on ms nbc. as well as breaking news in the man hunt and a new lead in the case in northern new york. that is our show for the cycle. alex wagner continue ours coverage right now.

>> breaking news for the man hunt of two escaped prisoners. adam, what can you tell us about what's happening right now? >> good afternoon alex. there was an urgent reaction by numerous law enforcement agencies to mountain view. it is a location about 2 miles from alls head. and -- owls head. that is where they had their headquarters set up. two choppers up in the air. hundreds of officers from all different agencies racing to the scene. we have seen this before but we haven't seen it with this kind of urgency. now a couple of them -- this is still an act of investigation but it is not a good sign when you start to see a few of the state police v