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re-elected. >> lots to talk about. >> you're wrong. history will show you're wrong. >> i appreciate you joining us tonight on "the ed show." "politicsnation" with reverend al sharpton starts right now. ♪ tonight on "politicsnation," honoring their memory a new push to turn grief into action and restore voting rights for all americans. also the truth about terror threats here at home. new evidence this kind of hate is what police are really worried about. and have you heard about jindal mania? what about trump-mentum? the gop field gets bigger every day and party leaders are starting to sweat. welcome to "politicsnation," we begin tonight with their fight for change after the
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tragedy in charleston. today a horse-drawn carriage brought the body of state senator and reverend clementa pinckney to the south carolina state house, where he lay in state for four hours, giving mourners a chance to pay their respects. >> he was very strong in his faith. he loved his fellow man. he cared about his family, and he loved his children. >> he fought long and hard for righteousness. he fought in the lord's honor. >> i knew the type of life that senator clementa pinckney lived, so i'm joyful even though i'm sad. rchl as senator pinckney lay in state, the confederate flag still flew on the state house grounds. and a black drape blocked the sight of that flag from the mourners. but as south carolina's debate
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over the flag continues, we're seeing action all across the country. alabama's governor ordered confederate flags be taken down today from state house grounds. mississippi's republican senators have joined the push to remove confederate imagery if their state flag. more and more governors want to take the flag off license plates, and we're seeing a renewed push to protect the right to vote all across the country. tomorrow marks two years since the supreme court's ruling that gutted the voting rights act. today democrats introduced a bold new bill to restore its protections. >> a generation ago martin luther king told people at the church in charleston that voting rights was the key to achieving the american dream.
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dr. king was right then and that ideal remains true today. >> dr. king talked about voting rights at mother emanuel church. today we can renew the fight for those rights in honor of those who died at that church. joining me now are two sponsors of the bill senator patrick lay hi democrat of vermont and ranking member of the senate judiciary committee and kongwoman terry sewell democrat of alabama, thank you both for being here. >> thank you. >> thank you, reverend al. >> senator, you referenced mother emanuel church where this horrific act this week had happened, and you referenced them in your remarks from dr. king had spoke there years ago. could this tragedy, senator, help inspire a new commitment to voting rights?
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>> well i would hope that we have that commitment to voting rights, like everyone has said this never should have happened. this is america, some of the blatant racism we still see in this country, but let's also, we focus on what happened there, we focus on getting rid of the symbol of the flag. but let's do what is even more important. let's make sure that the people who can decide issues like the flag, have a right to vote. right now, more and more blacks hispanics, others in this country, are denied the right to vote. since the supreme court's decision which goes against any reasoning whatsoever. since that happened you've seen state after state pass laws that are designed solely to disenfranchise voters.
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that's in the a nation we should be proud of. that's a nation we should change. >> congresswoman sewell it's been a very difficult week not only for charleston but for the whole country, and i remember sitting in the supreme court that day at the hearing with you and congressman john lewis, martin luther king iii and all of us when one supreme court justice talked about a racial entitlement, i remember you and i for years marching across from bridge in selma, remembering how we got this right in the first place, in your hometown. do you think -- i think that the senator said it right -- symbolism is great. i want to see the symbols down but the substance on protecting the right to vote is everything. if we don't get that taking the flag down will only be window dressing. >> i think you're absolutely right. you know i applaud all the efforts to take down the confederate flag.
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in fact, it's a long time overdue, but at the end of the day, it's about action. it's about substance over a symbol. and i think that i was honored today to be able to drop this bill, the voting rights advancement act with senator leahy on the senator side. so many activists groups have worked hard to come up with a modern day formula that will restore preclearance back into the voting rights act. those of us who are legacies of john lewis and the movement on that bridge we owe it to the food soldiers to not just have a cumbaya moment like we did for the 50th anniversary that day, it was great, a lot of speeches, but at the end of the day, it's about what we're going to do how we're going to rectify the situation if promote racial equality and justice for all. it starts with voter equality. >> now, senator, i want to get into some of the details for your new voting bill.
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it requires 13 states to get preclearance for election rule changes. it says federal approval for new voter i.d. laws and other changes that target minority voters and public posting of any changes to voting rules with 180 days of an election. this bill goes even further than the others proposed in the past. why are these protections needed, senator leahy? >> because wii seen that when you don't have those protections, reverend voters are disenfranchised. look at a court that found -- the texas photo i.d. law an unconstitutional poll tax, it could have disenfranchised 600,000 voters. that's the population of my whole state. >> wow. >> this is just ridiculous. we want to make sure every state has to follow the law. if any state doesn't, then they're going to have to prove to the department of justice why
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and why they haven't disenfranchised voters. we have areas where we know the voters have been disenfranchised over and over let's change that. i mean i would say to those governors and those legislators that think that they get a temporary advantage boyy cutting people off the rolls, what are you doing? you're diminishing this great country. you're making it less of a country. you're doing things that some of the terrorists groups from outside our borders could never do, you're taking away our right to vote. don't do that. that is not an american way. >> you know congresswoman, the need for this bill is so high. 21 states have passed voter restriction since 2010 and in 14 of those states next year will be the first time they'll be in effect for a presidential election. so many are saying well i
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didn't feel the impact. in 14 of those states they don't kick in until now. >> yes, you're absolutely right. reverend al this bill will actually have covered 13 states including the state of alabama. previous bills that have been introduced while bipartisan only had four states that were covered. and by including alabama, north carolina and south carolina as well as mississippi and louisiana, even new york and california would actually be covered under our act. i think it's so important that we protect vulnerable communities who deserve to have the right to vote. you know my dad has had a series of strokes over the last ten years, he's been wheelchair bound. alabama's photo i.d. law restricted his ability to vote. he was highly motivated because i was on the ballot. but it took us over five hours to get my dad moving and over to the courthouse and up those
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stairs to get his photo i.d. >> wow. >> i think about all our senior citizens who have been disenfranchised by these photo i.d. laws. this bill that we introduced today, i'm so proud of senator l hmp eahy's leadership on this and everybody involved in writing this bill, it's truly ambitious ambitious, but it's all about being inclusive. >> and it ought to be bipartisan, because i remember in 2006 i was among the civil rights leadership there, stood as george bush signed a -- not the re-enactment -- >> the re-authorization. >> -- but the reauthorization of the voting rights bill. i have to go but i need to ask you congresswoman, your reaction to your governor in alabama ordering the confederate flag being taken down in alabama?
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>> the confederate flag is a relic of the past and that's where it should always have remained. i think it's important that my governor did take it down off the grounds of the state capital, but i think the more meaningful change is to get all alabamaians and all americans the right to vote. and i think it's all about the substance, and not just about symbol. but i am proud that he was able to remove it. it should have been history in the past where it belongs. it's always been a symbol of the fight against, you know abolish abolishing slavery and it doesn't have a place in american history today. i want my governor and my whole alabama delegation to do more than just take down the flag. i'd like for them to be supportive of efts like this voting rights amendment act to be inclusive and to stop the restriction of access to voting all across this country. >> that's what we need.
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that's what we must challenge going forward. i believe that that is what our reverend pinckney, who i knew would want. thank you for your leadership here. >> thank you. i thank the congresswoman, she's been fantastic in her eloquence about this and she's right. >> well the congresswoman is fantastic, period. thank you both for your time tonight. and for your work on this important bill. coming up what's the bigger threat here at home? islamic extremism or neo-nazi hate? the answer may surprise you. also how president obama is rewriting the rules about what a lame duck can do. a big victory for him today in congress. plus bobby jindal is jumping in. donald trump has momentum and gop leaders are not happy about it. also how would you feel if your mom put up a billboard
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coming up terrorism and the accused charleston shooter. today the fbi says it's not ruling out terror charges. and a new report lacks at who commits extremist murders in america. it might surprise you. and it's coming up next. benny's the oldest dog in the shelter. he needed help all day so i adopted him. when my back pain flared up, we both felt it. i tried tylenol but it was 6 pills a day. with aleve it's just two pills, all day. now i'm back!
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>> now to the charleston shooting and what is reveals about terror attacks in america. today, the fbi said it's not ruling out terrorism in its investigation into suspect dylann roof, who wore apartheid flags and apparently published a racist manifesto. now, a new report is shedding light on other acts of terror in the u.s. showing he may be part of a surprising pattern. the report reveals extremist killers here at home are more often motivated by anti-government, or white
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supremacist views. 48:00 p.m. 48 people in the u.s. have been killed by non-muslim extremists. 26 people have been killed by muslim extremists. it gives new context to the shooting in charleston and other attacks we've heard about all around the country. >> by the bodies, the killers placed a swastika a don't tread on me flag and a note declaring a revolution. >> police say this is the man responsible, 40 yearly wage paige, the former singer in a white supremacist band, showed up at this sikh temple and opened fire killing six members. nlts joining me now, the director of the center for the study of hate and extremism at
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california state university and jim cavanaugh, retired atf special agent in charge who helped track down the olympic bomber in the '90s. thank you both for being here. >> thanks, reverend al. >> brian, some americans may be surprised at this finding. more killings by non-muslim extremists than by muslim extremists. what's your take on this? >> yes, and we call this availability and unfamiliar event you'ristics, what it means, our fears aren't dictated by the facts. so the manner in which these cases are reported how long they're reported skews our fears about terrorist attack. so there have been more homicides by anti-government and racist extremists than by jihadist extremists. however, if you expand it into all casualties including
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injuries, then the jihadists have a greater number of victims. so it all depends on how you look at the data. the other thing i want to say there's qualitative stuff going on as well. with isis we have the most sophisticated internet recruiting and radicalization effort ever done. so that affects things as well. there's a danger in using retrospective data but it's effective in this regard that's we are not putting enough government at the anti-government racist extremist end of the spectrum. we're putting all our eggs in one basket perceiving that threat is greater, and that's where we're going wrong. >> and in some areas, it is less, and others it's greater, but to only concentrate on that area enables the other areas of the racist and the supremacist and the anti-government crowd that is doing a lot of the damage and in some areas, more
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damage. you know jim, researchers asked law officers around the country for their three top terror threats. 74% listed the threat of anti-government violence. whereas only 39% listed al qaeda inspired violence. so law enforcement is clear about what the more likely threat is, according to this right? >> police officers know what's happening in their area they know who's danger who's violent, they know the demographic the nazis and white hate guys out there they've worked on them with federal officers to try to stop them. so they're very well tuned in. just like brian said this stuff happens. it's been going on for 50 years. i mean the connections are amazing. if you look at james early ray, who might have been trying to get a reward offered by a white
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citizen council member in st. louis to kill dr. king and how this guy, roof is inspired by the council of conservative citizens, a specific hate group that uses that name. it's the same old white citizen council, the suit and tie clan that we used to call them and and many other groups. so the government can do much better. there's a lot of things we can do without changing laws to be much more effective against them. >> in 2009 the department of homeland security was warning about this. quote, white supremacist lone wolves pose the most significant domestic terrorist threat because of their low profile and autonomy, separate if any formalized group which hampers warning efforts. the report got a lot of critics from the conservative circles, but now does it look like it may
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have been on target? >> it was on target, and this is the problem with injecting politics here. it was written by a conservative fellow who -- and it started under the bush administration. this was not anything political. it was a well done report and it has been vindicated and let me just say one thing. assessing a threat we have to look at what particular threat for the fast majority of the geography of the united states, for most police departments, the threat is more for domestic right-wing and anti-government. for major cities it's probably more jihadists. additionally, in a journal that i just edited it's written that there seems to be a greater concentration with regard to the active shooter, lone wolf terrorist of the white supremacist, neo-nazi and anti-government. so it depends on where you're looking. both are a thet but what we have to do is understand that
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injecting politics with respect to the far right-wing threat and wrong, and we must expend more resources to that not just to the threat of jihadists. >> the republican senator lindsey graham of south carolina said dylann roof had mid east hate in him. i'm quoting him. listen to this. >> i don't know how you can sit with somebody for an hour in a church and pray with them and then get up and shoot them. that's mid east hate. that's something i didn't think we had here but apparently we do. >> do americans have to come to grips with the reality that a lot of this home-grown hate and not projected away? this is home-grown, jim. >> right. this is home-grown hate. and what happened in charleston we need to also look at it a little differently. this is a targeted assassination of a civil rights leader pastor
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pinckney. roof lived two hours away. if he wanted to just shoot african americans, he could have done that in his hometown he drove specifically to the church, mother emanuel, and he asked specifically for the pastor. it was a targeted assassination of the pastor and the other civil rights heroes that died that night. he went there with a purpose. that is not unlike killing of med ger evers and killing dr. king. we're acting like it's a random shooting of nine people. it's not. this guy's a racist he's a biggot, and he wanted to start the race war, they all say that. but it was a targeted sass assassination of a civil rights leader and i hope we put these names up and marvel them at church and right roof's name in dust and nobody will remember it except guys like brian and
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me and journalists and anchors, but not america. i hope america will remember the people who were killed pastor pinckney, for trying to make america better. >> thank you both forrure ureyour time tonight. >> thank you, reverend al i have a huffington post front-page piece on it right now. >> looking forward to it. still to come a big moment for the obama legacy today. he gets a big win in congress today heading into the fourth quarter of his presidency. plus, it's a rare triple gotcha for scott walker tonight. you'll want to see this next. i like my seafood like i like my vacations: tropical. and during red lobster's island escape, three new dishes take me straight to the islands. like the ultimate island seafood feast, with crab, lobster and jumbo shrimp. all you have to do... get here while you still can. if you have moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis like me... and you're talking to a rheumatologist about a biologic this is humira.
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republican revolt over the budget. quote, critics say the governor's spending blueprint is aimed more at appealing to conservatives in early voting states like iowa than doing what it best for wisconsin. that's right, his own party got him. next reason number two. listen to what scott walker recently said when asked about equal pay. >> i believe that the president and now hillary clinton tend to think that politically they do better if they pit one group of americans versus another. >> yes. >> wait wait. fighting for fair pay is pitting one group against another? scott got himself with that one. and and finally, reason number three, here's what he said about republican's favorite boogie man -- government dependency.
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>> for them their measure of success in government is how many people are dependent on the government how many people are dependent, whether it's medicaid, or food stamps or health care or other things out there. >> wow, he's really pulling out all the stops. governor a helping hand isn't a hand-out. these programs are life lines for working families. and on this one, we gotcha. does scott walker think he'd get out of this triple whammy? nice try, but we gotcha, gotcha, gotcha.
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welcome to the party, governor bobby jindal. >> we owe voters more than just a tirade about the problem. we owe them honesty about our solution. i will do the things that you cannot do in washington. i will say the things you cannot say. >> this brings our total to a whopping 13 declared candidates on the right. 13. they're already struggling with how to fit them on one stage. and when it comes to the so-called fringe candidates they are in the race and they're getting a lot of attention. just ask john stewart about donald trump. >> the more he talks, the more he appears on television the more he makes the other republicans' crazy seem kind of reasonable by comparison. [ laughter ] i mean honestly let trump run,
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let's have fun, what's the harm of riding this crazy train as long as it will take us? >> the shake-up in the republican race for president. new numbers just in showbusinessman donald trump making huge gains. he's in second place in new hampshire. >> that's right. you can see the top four candidates here and trump's in second place in new hampshire. i think some of these candidates could use a little advice from their newest colleague, bobby jindal. >> we've got to stop being the stupid party. and i'm serious. it's time for a new republican party that talks like adults. it's time for us to articulate our plans and our visions for america in real terms. >> joining me now from the "boston globe" jimmy williams and msnbc contributor, thank you
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both for being here. in 2013 bobby jindal said the gop should talk like adults. now he's entering the race alongside donald trump. what's going on here? >> i think he met duck dynasty, he just forgot the dynasty part. we're now at the stage where the republican party, i'm just waiting for maine governor to get into the race and sam brownback, because at that point, we're surely watching a 1970s show of saturday morning looney tunes -- what would you call it? i guess saturday morning comics. that's what this is about, bobby jindal in the 30s in approval rating in his home state. chris christie who will also declare next week sitting in the 30s. not sure why they're scraping the bottom-of-the of the barrel but i as opposed to there is another republican governor somewhere in
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the states we just have to find him. not very hard to do. >> isn't this what the republicans were trying to avoid? >> yes, they definitely did not want this many candidates running for the republican nomination. this is a party, republicans have been plagued by primary problems for several cycles now, on the house and senate level, now on the presidential level. they wanted a smaller field and they didn't want to have to deal with the issue of fitting 13 maybe even 18 candidates in a single debate. this is not what they wanted. but i will mention something about bobby jindal. he said the republican party should not be the stupid party. he's a really smart guy, road scholar, ran a government agency at 24. he has great credentials, but i don't know how smart it is for him to run for president with such a crowded field. the odds are not in his favor. >> you know, jimmy, earlier this year "the washington post" reported quote, the republican national committee has spent
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months seeking of rules that will bring more order to the process. rnc reince priebus said he regarded the 2012 debates as an embarrassment and ridiculous for the party. so what's changed since 2012 jimmy? >> well, they're moving the debates up they're moving some of the primaries around and they're shortening the amount of debates. however, where they're losing on the back end is the sheer number, which we are talking about, of the crazy -- of the crazies running on the republican side. this is their problem. if reince priebus was serious in his report to the membership after the last election, that the party needed to expand its base, that's lovely but look at all who have declared. bobby jindal he's moving so far to the right, he's trying to pre-empt ted cruise with the
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religious right, impossible to do. look at chris christie, he's a moderate right? but a conservative in a moderate state. a red governor in a blue state sitting in the 30s asknd he has bridgegate. so i'm not sure if reduzceing the number of debates is a wonderful idea for the republicans. the problem, the people populating those debates are all crazy. >> let me give you an example of the people populating. donald trump, in his campaign announcement, trump said mexican immigrants are bringing drugs and crime to america. today he tried to walk those comments back. the key word here -- "tried." listen to this. >> i do great with latino voters. i employ so many latinos. i have so many people working for me. i'm a job creator. i'm a mast are job creator.
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and you know the latinos love trump. and i love them. >> is there someone in the field or in the party who should be calling him out on this? >> i think the american voters will hopefully call him out on this. that's just one of those comments i shake my head i almost bang it against a wall. you don't know what to do with it. and also, maybe i'll challenge him. take a poll of your workers, see how much they really like you. i know a whole lot of workers that don't like their boss and when given the opportunity in privacy, they'll say so. not at the "boston globe," of course. >> jimmy, new jersey governor chris christie, you referred to where they are in the polls, he could enter the race as early as next week, but if you look at his approval ratings at home which you've been referring to 30% of new jersey voters approve of the job he's doing. 55% disapprove.
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this will make 14 candidates. how and when will the field start to come into focus here jimmy? >> well i suppose if you're a governor of a -- a republican governor of a state and your poll numbers get so low, you only have one thing to do to think you can win the entire country. that's delusional. look i don't take donald trump seriously. he's certainly filed his paperwork to run for president. there's nothing about that candidacy that is incrediblecredible at all. but chris christie and bobby ji state, twice elected with both of them. and so they have to be credible on the stage. the question becomes, why would they even do it with those bad poll numbers? listen bobby jindal will win his state. chris christie won't. that's the ultimate problem with these candidates. >> thank you both for your time tonight. >> thank you very much. still ahead, rewriting the
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>> my presidency is entering the fourth quarter. interesting stuff happens in the fourth quarter. and i'm looking forward to it. >> the fourth quarter of the obama presidency is anything but lame. nbc's first read says that quote right after the 2014 mid terms, many political observers believed obama had officially
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entered lame-duck status. but we were wrong. this june is a beg legacy month for the president. and today, another big win for the president. the passage of a historic trade bill bill, giving president obama fast-track authority. whether you agree or disagree with this trade bill and a lot of democrats oppose it you can't deny it's a huge victory for the president. he's still relevant and in the game in a way few presidents have been at this point in their presidency. since the midterm, he's taken executive action on immigration, reached a climate change deal with china, and moved toward normalizing relations with cuba. he's also been more outspoken on the issue of race and what he's saying is having a big impact. joining me now is ryan grim of the huffington post.
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ryan this seems to be a different path for a president this late in his second term. >> i think that's undoubtedly true. and you could throw into that the negotiations with iran over its nuclear program. >> correct. >> you know the ayatollah may have pushed back a little bit recently but often that's a sign that a deal is about to happen. up on capitol hill there's kind of a saying among reporters, that the moment that everything looks dead and all the cards look like they're piled on top of each other, that means they're going to get it a deal. if he can strike a deal with iran that can reshape global geopolitics. it could reshape the middle east. a lot of democrats opposed him on this trade deal. he managed to push it through. certainly a tactical victory, in terms of his legacy it depends
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on how it plays out. does this create jobs? does this benefit the world in the long-term? that's something that nobody can really know at this point. >> take a look at the president's approval ratings, ryan. president obama's job approval rating right now is 48%. president george w. bush's approval rating from around the same time in his presidency was only 29%. what does that suggest about the lame-duck or fourth quarter of this presidency? >> this surprised a lot of people. a lot of people believed there was a pattern to the way these things unfold and that people get kind of tired of a president, that he or she overstays his welcome, and that the low approval ratings he was suffering from a year and a half ago were kind of baked in. what he did, he kind of returned
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to progressive principles and as dan pfeiffer said we have never regretted taking bold action and his rebound has coincided with his return to progressive action, a lot of it done unilaterally, the kind of thing that the d.c. media establishment would say, do not do you need consensus, you need to get everybody in a room and come to agreement. he tried that for years. didn't happen. he said i'm just going to do it. what he called his bucket list at the white house correspondents dinner and people have responded favorably to it. >> let me ask you this before we have to go the trade deal. the trade deal that he just was able to get through, is headed to his desk. hillary clinton will be forced to respond. quote, if clinton had hoped to leave the trade debate behind
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its success means she may have to take a position on the trade deal itself sooner or later. does this complicate her run for the white house, ryan? >> it's tough for her politically, particularly with somebody like bernie sanders, who has such a vocal and eloquent opponent of it. martin o'malley is also opposed to it. she helped craft it as secretary of state and i think people that are close to her, think that in her bones she likes this deal and if she were elected and it hadn't become law yet, that she would actually try to usher it through. so she -- but it does put her in a difficult position, because she doesn't want to get cross wise with the progressive base. and the timing will be difficult. it could come up in late fall, early winter when we're in iowa and new hampshire, in the thick of this. >> not the best time for her.
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>> no but she doesn't have kind of any extremely well funded opponents beyond you know somebody like bernie sanders. so in that sense, she kind of dodged that bullet. >> ryan grim thank you for your time tonight. >> thank you. next it's a fight for civil right, a major ruling on gay marriage is expected from the supreme court any day now. and president obama talked about it moments ago. plus, guns in public places it's gotten out of control. and action is needed. connections you almost miss. and ones you never thought you'd make. we help connect where you are. to places you never thought you'd go. this, is why we travel. and why we continue to create new technology
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>> we close tonight by talking about gun culture in this country, taken to the extremes. here's what people in gulfport mississippi, saw last sunday night when they turned on their local news. >> we've received multiple reports ofa an evacuation at the walmart on highway 49. we're told by witnesses a man with a gun may have entered the building. >> he was coming out with the shotgun, him and another guy, loading the shotgun and pumping it like putting it in the chamber. it turned out the men involved had gone to walmart just to exercise their second amendment
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rights. it's an open carry state. so they brought that shotgun into the store, just to show that they could. >> while the actions of these two men are sanctioned by state laws, what they did negatively impacted our community. the actions of these two men could have inadvertently led to a very violent misunderstanding. >> unfortunately, this isn't an isolated incident. just a few weeks ago, this man carried a loaded assault rifle through the atlanta airport. he said he carried the gun for safety, because, quote, you never know where something might happen. again, legal under the law. but that doesn't make it right. >> as i head back down to the funerals in charleston, i will be thinking yes, about those families and their pain. i'll be thinking about racism and the confederate flag. i'll be thinking about voting
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but i'll also be thinking about, we've got to deal with guns and gun culture. thanks for watch. i'm al sharpton. "hardball" starts right now. the right-wing backlash over the confederate flag. let's play "hardball." ♪ ♪ >> good evening, i'm steve kornacki in for chris matthews. two days after south carolina governor nikki haley called for her state to remove the confederate flag from the grounds of the state house, another governor today, robert bentley of alabama ordered confederate flags be taken down from his state's capital. in
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