even by participating, the #reesing for charleston. it is really powerful for people to do that. >> thank you both. that's all this evening. the rachel maddow show starts now. >> good evening. thanks to you at home for joining us. there were a lot of moving parts in the news cycle today. in terms of big policy issues, the trade bill, got a lot closer to passing today. this is the transpacific trade deal on. this deal weird political accommodations. the republicans and president obama who like the bill. most democrats who are not president obama dislike this bill and they've been organizing against him. they seem to be outmaneuvered and outflanked. so there's been months of fighting about this. it looks like the tree deal is on track to pass tomorrow.

maybe. fat lady still not singing although she is very nice. that will be the major thing in washington to watch tomorrow. it was the big news today on domestic policy. now in terms of domestic politics, there was a new entry into the 2016 presidential race today. just what we need! and in addition tom, a giant new wrench was also thrown into the works. the republican party and how they want to run their presidential primary this year. we'll have more on that. it turns out the new wrench in the works is kind of hilarious. the biggest news in the country today. all of the biggest news stories in the country today ended up being about terrorism and people who kill and capture he americans for i had sxll terrible reasons. first, president obama talking about a hostage fusion cell.

so americans held hostage by isis will now have a coordinated counter terrorism team operating at home to try to secure their release and communicate with their families and make decisions about negotiations and potential rescue attempts and diplomatic strategies and all the rest. apparent lay senior fbi official will head up this hostage recovery fusion team. the team will also include officials from the pentagon and the justice department and the state department and the cia, among other agencies. the families of hostages over the last few years have been pretty critical about the way they've been treated by the u.s. government and the fact they did not feel supported, they did not feel the resources of the u.s. government were brought to bear to try to free their loved ones. the president in making this

announcement about this new fusion cell, he frankly and soberly apologized for the u.s. government having not done right by hostages' families thus far. he apologized for the u.s. government, not doing something like this fusion cell idea before now. but as of today, the new policy is in place. and then as the president was making that announcement about the hostage stuff today, we got surprising news from another one of these nexuses of terrorism and national security and murder. as the president was making this announcement about the hostage recovery fusion cell that he is creating, we got news today that the defendant convicted in one of the most spectacular terrorist attacks in this country since 9/11, we got news that defendant would choose to speak publicly today. we didn't know he was going to but he chose to speak today in the courtroom as his sentence was being handed down. dzhokhar tsarnaev speaking at his sentencing. did not try a justification for

what he and his brother did. instead, i think this surprised a lot of peoplering took the opportunity to apologize. and said he was praying for the survivors of the boston marathon bombing, praying for the families of the victims killed. he cried during his statement. he said he regretted what he did. and that was basically the last word in his trial before his death sentence was formally handed down by the judge in this case. even though that bombing was in massachusetts, even though his trial took place in massachusetts, and the statement in the courtroom today happened in massachusetts, so he was in federal court and there were no cameras recording it when he spoke. people never, ever see footage of him speaking today. because federal courts don't allow cameras. and when he was done speaking

today and he got his sentence, he was taken into federal custody to immediately begin spending the rest of his life in federal prison. whether or not his life ends with him being executed on death row. that happened today. as that was happening today, and the victims' families from the boston marathon. did w the spectacle of hearing, starp tsarnaev expressed the court and expressed his remorse, as all that was happening today, we also then learn that it is also going to be a federal trial, a federal prosecution in the case of the charleston, south carolina black church massacre. "the new york times" first to report today, so far alone to report today, that federal hate crimes charges are expected to be filed in the case of the charleston church massacre. where a 21-year-old south carolina man has reportedly already confessed to the murder of nine innocent have an american churchgoers who were at a bible study this night last week.

he has reportedly already told police that he committed that crime because of his own racism. he is a white supremacist. he wanted to be known for spitting on the american flag and for flying the confederate flag instead. he reportedly told police that he killed all those people. he killed those specific people in that specific place because he want to start a race war. that young man is in custody in south carolina. he has reportedly confessed already. if federal hate crimes charges really are brought in this case, what does that mean in term of this young man's prosecution? does that change any possible sentence that he might receive. south carolina has no hate crime charges in its statutes. they do have the death penalty. they have the ability to bring federal charge in a place the state charges are already being filed and already as serious as you can get. why did, or why would the

federal government clues to get involved in a case like this? and why hate crimes charges in particular? if the new york time is right and this will be a federal prosecution in charleston, what happens to this defendant in terms of the way his case is hand? and specifically in terms of the attention and the publicity he may want to get for his supposed cause through venue of his trial? at this intersection of mass murder and terrorism and hate crimes, this reported intervention raises some really interesting questions about how much we will ever to hear from this perpetrator about why he did what did he and whether or not we have to hear about it from him. and all of those questions arrived today with this headline in the new york times. all of these questions today arrived before the victims in charleston are even buried. today pastor of the mother emanuel ame church, today he laid in state at the south

carolina state capitol under the rotunda there for hours. he served for 15 years and south carolina, these incredible long lines of people that cued up today to pay their almosts to him in columbia. there are reports that some people fainted from heat exhaustion while they were standing in that long, long line outside today. outside the state capitol. 97 degrees in south carolina with a heat index of 109 degrees. still, people stood in line for blocks and blocks and blocks and blocks, for hours for the chance to file past his coffin inside the state capitol. apparently when they decided they would give senator pinckney this honor of laying him out at the state capitol for the viewing, his fellow state senators signed up for 30-minute shifts to stand by his coffin so he wouldn't be alone at any point during the day in case not enough people showed up to see

him. that turned out not to be a problem today. we're not 100% sure but it appears from the records that we got access to that senator pinckney may be the first african-american to have ever laid in state at the south carolina state capitol. south carolina legislators over the last 48 hours have moved quickly to consider legislation, to potentially take down the confederate battle flag that flies on the grounds of the state capitol in south carolina. but those discussions haven't happened yet. that legislation hasn't been filed. neither the legislature nor governor nicki haley today took action to even temporarily remove that flag out of respect for senator pinckney as his flag laid at the comment. so it still flew today with his body inside in the rotunda. they did roll a sort of black drape thing over the window that would have looked out on that flag from the capitol, from where his casket was. they covered the window so you wonderful see it licks but they

did leave it flying there full staff. on friday, the day after tomorrow, thousands of people are expected at the college of charleston. actually at the basketball arena at the college of charleston because it has a large seating capacity. that will be used for the site of his formal funeral. that itself is a little tough to take given the circumstances of this massacre in which senator pinckney and those eight other churches were killed. the reason that is a little tough to take is because of this one specific thing about the college of charleston. which is specifically the president of the college of charleston. the president of that school was just appointed to that post last year amid quite a bit of local controversy. the college of charleston students protested his opponent in large numbers. the college faculty voted no confidence. the reason there was thought fuhrer about him being picked for this job is because the thing the college president is

most known for in the state is being this guy. glen mcconnell is a member of the son of confederate veterans. as a state legislature he led the fight to keep that frept battle flag flying at the state capitol. part of the reason he became president of the college of charleston last year is basically because he had ascended to a place in state government where it became too awkward to have him in such a visible role. you see, glen mcconnell was a state senator. he ended up becoming the highest ranking state far is in the state. he was president pro temperature. then there was a totally unrelated scandal. and if the lieutenant governor has to go for any reason, whoever the president pro tem is, moves up and takes that job. moves up and takes the lieutenant governor job. so glen mcconnell accidentally became the lieutenant governor of south carolina and that ended up being untenable for somebody like glen mcconnell to have that kind of a high level state-run job. because he is a war re-enactor,

he is the most aggressive and visible offender of the confederate flag on the state capitol grounds in the state legislature at the timest ascended to the job. it was too awkward to hold a statewide leadership position once photos like this started floating around. this is him dressed up like a confederate soldier at a slave themed plantation party. the other thing that glen mcconnell did besides being the most visibly pro confederate that state senator in south carolina, the other thing did he for his job is that he ran a confederate themed souvenir store. in charleston until 2006. base clay confederate flag gift shop. that was his other job besides being a state senator. so part of the reason he became

the president of the college of charleston last year is that the state government needed something else for him to do. they needed somewhere soft for him to land after it became too awkward, too creepy to have him in a statewide role. he couldn't be the lieutenant governor and now he is a college president. and being a college president in south carolina is an interesting and high profile thing. stinls charleston massacre, presidents of all of these south carolina universities, every major university in the state, and frankly most of the minor ones as well, presidents of all of these universities and colleges in south carolina have all joined the call for the state government to take down the confederate flag at the state house. glen mcconnell is the only college president who has not.

even bob jones university. bob jones university banned interracial dating until the year 2000. even the president of bob jones university has spoken out and said south carolina should take down the confederate flag at the capitol. but not this one college president at the college of charleston. which is now perhaps by logistics about, to host 5,000 people for the funeral of reverend and state senator pinckney. president obama will be there in person for that funeral. he will deliver the state senator's eulogy. the first lady will be there. congress has canceled all votes tow members can go to the funeral. the leaders of the federal government basically going to south carolina to pay their respects. as the federal justice department says it will take on this prosecution and as the south carolina state government today for all its intentions to take this flag down sometime in the future, the south carolina state government today made sure that this confederate flag still flew. over the horse drawn carriage that carried senator pinckney's

president to the state capitol to lie in state. i guess they thought they couldn't bear to take it down even for a few hours, even just for the moments it took on let his body pass by it. joining us now to talk about what it mean that the federal government may be filing hate crime charges in this case, is paul butler. a form he federal prosecutor, thank you for being here. nice to see you again. >> great to be here. >> if the justice department does file hate crimes charges, what does that mean in material of how this is going to be prosecuted? obviously the state is expressing interest and prosecuting for capitol murder. >> the law is expressive. we can't bring back the nine lives that were snuffed out in charleston. we can't reverse the injury that a criminal does. but how that injury is described sends a powerful message. here the shooter extinguished

the lives of nine african-american people but he crushed the souls of every african-american. he enhanced a sense of vulnerability that come from 400 years of racialized violence. the justice department is saying that that white supremacist motive needs to be acknowledged in the criminal process. as a practical matter, it doesn't make a difference in term of the sentence that he gets. there's no death penalty for a federal hate crime. there is for a federal terrorism charge as we know from the boston massacre shooting. but this is really more symbolic. a way to acknowledge that racism is a major part of the reason that mr. roof acted so it ought to be part of criminal resolution. >> you mentioned the prospect, at least the analogy of federal terrorism charges. in your opinion as a former prosecutor, and somebody looking at the facts of the case, is it possible that terrorism charges

could have also been considered in this case at the federal level? >> absolutely. if you attempt on commit a crime with the intent to terrorize a group, you're guilty. too often when it is an arab or muslim person who commits mass murder, we understand that's a political act. we describe it as terrorism. when it is a white person, we talk about mental illness or some kind of emotional breakdown. it is almost as though, like privilege extends even to white people who are accused of mass murder. if you look at the facts, domestic terrorists who look like mr. roof have killed more people than isis and al qaeda combined. the first domestic terrorism law, the ku klux klan act of 1871 was designed, targeted as race based violence. that was 1871.

in 2015, african-americans still need equal protection of the law. >> are you encouraged that if these hate crime charges are brought at the federal level, however it has worked out, the seek wednesdaying of prosecution and the venue this will be played out, are you encouraged there will be additional federal resources brought to bear? to make sure the prosecution is as aggressive as it possibly can be? >> absolutely. the justice department has great prosecutors and it has the be agents, the investigators, the federal bureau of investigation, the best law enforcement agency in the world. so it is great to have these resources on the case. in addition, in south carolina, we've got nine murder charges. the evidence seems clear. the lawyers understand, you never blank a jury will do. so if something goes wrong in south carolina with the state case, the federal case also provides insurance that justice can still be served.

>> paul butler, the form he prosecutor. thank you for coming, sir. all right. we've got much more to come on this topic and much more including what i am hearing is some breaking news which we'll have right after we come back. stay with us.

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we have some breaking news in the news of the escaped prisoners. a corrections officer at the prison from which these men escaped has been arrested. in connection with the escape. the details are still coming in on this but we have learned that this male 57-year-old corrections officer has been charged with promoting prison contraband with tampering with physical evidence and with official misconduct. what exactly did he do? it's not totally clear yet. but apparently this officer was placed on administrative leave last week. tonight something has changed and they have decided to officially arrest him. he is now the second prison employee to be arrested in connection with this escape after a supervisor at the prison's tailor shop was arrested and charged earlier this month. now only the with this officer's arrest, we're told he is expected to be arraigned tonight in platzburg, new york. the big bottom line is the search for these two escape prisoners is still ongoing and heads into day 20. the corrections officer has been arrested in connection with the escape. we'll bring you more as this story develops.

so nbc does those public service announcements called the more you know, right? >> i know you're busy, i know your kids are busy. maybe it's time you find out what they're busy doing. sometimes it starts with something as simple as dinner. >> simple, to the point. the more you know. i have always loved those things. i did one of those things which involved me saying the word crackalackin. you can look it up if you're interested. i am too embarrassed to show it to you. today in beloved homage to the more you know, we decided at our news meeting that we need our own version of this. >> the more we now know. the more you know.

>> the more we know now? >> the more we now know. >> the more we know. >> you know. >> okay. the more, colon, we know. >> why would you change you to we? we can keep the you. >> turns out it is very hard to rif on the more you know because it is perfect as it is. but you know what? the news cycle demands a rif. are you ready? okay. what it's called is -- you know more now. ♪ thank you, nick. here goes. ♪ so there's like a thing that

happens in the news cycle where the story ends is kind of a cliffhanger and you think you know where it ends up but you don't really know where it ends up until you do. until you know more now. and that story is the have the left everyone when it first broke gets resolved. that's the situation we're in. for example a few months ago the very famous waldorf astoria hotel in new york city made some important and worrying news. every u.s. president since herbert hoover has stayed there when visiting new york. for decades the u.s. officials have made it their official headquarters while they're in town for meetings of the u.n. which is based in new york. the u.s. ambassador has maintained a permanent residence at the waldorf astoria. samantha power lives there now. france it is jumpedwood's wife would have had to move there had she been confirmed there in the house of cards. when news broke a few months ago that a chinese company with

links to the chinese government was buying the waldorf astoria hotel, that immediately raised these questions as to whether or not the u.s. would have to worry about the chinese government spying on all these high level u.s. officials staying at that hotel. turns out, we do not have to worry about it. now we know. the state department has decided that high level u.s. officials will no longer stay at the waldorf astoria. it looks like president obama will not be checking in there again either. we now know because a chinese company bought the waldorf astoria because of worries about chinese spying on u.s. officials, the u.s. is abandoning the waldorf hotel for the first time in generations. it has happened. we know how the story ends. they pulled the plug. you know more now. and here's another example. last month we had sister megan rice on this show after she had served two years in federal prison for breaking into a nuclear plant that stored uranium. she is a catholic nun, she is a

beat your swords into shares. and she broke in as an act of protest. she was freed from prison before her sentence was up after a federal judge overturned the charges against her. since she got out there's been this looming worry that 85-year-old sister megan might have to go back to prison if federal prosecutors appealed the ruling and basically put her on trial again. that worry has been looming for her ever since the 85-year-old catholic nun got sprung from prison. now we know what will happen to her. sister megan is not going back to jail. federal prosecutors have announced they are dropping it. they are leaving it be. she gets to stay free shelf declined to appeal the case. you know more now. and here's one more which is a stupefying one which broke today. this story first emerged during the protest in baltimore over

the death of freddie gray. on april 27th, the same day as freddie gray's funeral, baltimore police put out a super inflammatory super scary media advisory. do you remember? baltimore police have received credible information that members of various gangs including the black gorilla family have entered into a partnership to take out law enforcement officers. the baltimore police department called this explicitly a credible threat. they said law enforcement agencies should take precautions to ensure the safety of their officers. it was a scary thing, right? the media ran with it like wildfire. even though baltimore police spokesperson at the time would not say how they learned of this threat, why they thought it was credible or whether or not it was connected to the freddie gray demonstrations. through a freedom of information request, vice news got hundreds of correspondence. among homeland security officials during the riots in baltimore.

it turns out that very shortly after the baltimore police issued that advisory about gang members setting aside their differences and entering a partnership to kill police officers, very soon after the baltimore pd announce that had intelligence, a number of federal officials thought there was something a little fishy about it. quote, curious that the alert came from baltimore police department media relations section instefd the intelligence unit which is where we typically receive this info. a few hours later another homeland security employee said, quote, fbi baltimore has interviewed the source of this information and has determined this threat to be noncredible. so despite the huge media play that was given to this supposed unified gang threat, once that supposed threat was found by the fbi to be bunk, there was no retraction. they just left it out there. why not? so stories break.

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i'm believe sure where this would go on the number line of courage but here you have it. the mayor of williamson county, tennessee said today they might ought to maybe reconsider the county seal which shows some farm animals and an open bible and also the confederate flag draped over a cannon. williamson county, tennessee, adopted that seal in 1968. not 1868 but 1968. as a symbol of exactly what you think it would be a symbol of when you made that decision in 1968. now the mayor says maybe that seal should go. we need to look into the future and decide if this is something that needs to be addressed. so courage maybe. since the racially motivated murders in that charleston church last week, a week ago only the, government officials high and low have been volunteering to get rid of their confederate symbols. especially their confederate flags. tennessee, virginia and north

carolina are all reconsidering their confederate flag license plates. last night on the show we reported that georgia governor nathan diehl said he does not have a problem with his state's confederate plate. it turns out after he said that, he then very quickly changed his mind. now governor nathan deal says that plate should be changed. in mississippi, where the state flag includes the confederate emblem, the colonel and most recent governors have been basically saying, we don't really want to have anything to do with this discussion please. mississippi senator thad cochran said he had no opinion on the matter. but then today, thad cochran evolved. yesterday, no opinion. today thad cochran joined the chorus for changing the mississippi state flag. he called it his quote, personal hopeful so you'll find elected officials, particularly conservative elected officials, all up and down the number line

between courage and call me a maybe on this. ask me a different one. you'll find them all up and down that number lightning. but here and there you'll find not just a statement. courage but actual action. in alabama, this morning, with no advance notice and no fuss about it, republican governor robert bentley told alabama state workers to take fet that flags down. those flags are not flying at the alabama state capitol anymore. he just did it. no muss, no fuss, he just did it as his own say-so as governor. in moments of change and challenge, it sometimes takes a person to just do it. get off the dime and go doiflt it sometimes takes somebody picking the fight when they are ready to pick the fight. when they're in a position to do so and they're ready to say that they personally are not willing to keep doing this thing that has been done before. sometime it takes right person. this is john hawkins. john hawkins grew up in water valley, mississippi, not far

from the university of mississippi which most people call ole miss. when john hawkins was ready to go on college, he went to ole miss. at the time, only about 7% of the student body was african-american. people rioted in 1962 for threaten days. president kennedy called out the national guard. two people lost their lives. and that revolt to keep ole miss all white. the governor of mississippi who stood in the school house door waved the rebel flag in an ole miss football game the night the riots broke out people there at the time say that is when the rebel flag became ubiquitous. the school was already known as the ole miss rebels. but people say ole miss became synonymous with the confederate battle flag, starting then. starting in 19. 62 not 1862 during war but 1962 as a symbol of resistance to

civil rights and the civil rights movement, a symbol of resistance to integration. 20 years after the violent effort to integrate that university, john hawkins, ole miss student, got himself elected cheerleader at the school. if you look closely at this picture, you will see it is the white cheerleader behind him that is waving a rebel flag. by then ole miss cheerleaders were dearing rebel flag. but john hawkins who is a cheerleader i know what that white guy, mr. hawkins is waving a mega phone. he is not waving the confederate flag. because john hawkins was the first african-american cheer leader in ole miss history and he personally refused to wave the confederate flag. he said while i'm an ole miss cheerleader, i'm still a black man. i was not told to wave the flag. i know what they went through. mits choice that i prefer tonight wave one.

you know what? the university changed. he did it. it was because of him. first the university gave in to him specifically and john hawkins cheered for his team without carrying that flag. but then over the next 15 years, ole miss god rid of the rebel flag all together as an official symbol of the school. and it started with one student. it started with john hawkins and the personal courage towed say no. calmly, clearly, and alone as one young man called on to do something he did not want to do. john hawkins said no. and it worked. joining us now for the interview is john hawkins. thank you vex for joining us tonight. i know you have not spoken out about this much over the years. i appreciate you being here. >> my pleasure, rachel. >> at the time when you took that stand about the confederate flag and were and were not

comfortable work was it already a big issue for black students or for other students on campus or were you standing alone on that? >> it is an interesting discussion. because as you know over the last 30 years, i've been fairly quiet on this topic. it was quite a lonely moment 30 years ago, dealing with this issue. what people don't often talk about is that i was also the president of the black student body at ole miss. and african-american students fees were being used at that time to purchase those flags. and african-american students at the time did not approve of that. so i certainly did not to go ole miss for the purpose of becoming a cheerleader. i was focused on athletics and other things but fate had it such that that was one of the thing i was put in a position to do. and the idea of waving the flag was not something that was important to me. for those individuals that had a connection to the flag for the purposes of student spirit and those types of things, i respected their decision.

at the same time i think this is a great moment for us. today it is a leadership moment and it is not just about looking at the flag and what it represents. it is about how do we move forward and that was foundational for ole miss to embrace changing that flag at that time. >> it is the leadership question that made me want to talk to you about this today. you were obviously a young man, a college student at the time and a student leader at the time. when you made that decision and ended up being a very consequential decision. it can't have been easy to do. you talk about it being lonely. were you scared to take stand that you did when you did it? >> i'm not sure the word scared is the word i would use. was i concerned? of course at that time. because of the things that were happening. it was 30 years ago. and that was a different time. but i knew that the stand i took was the right stand, a principle decision. wasn't something that i spent a long time thinking about. the night that the election took

place, which is interesting, i was trying to help another student friend of mine. a young lady by the name of clara bibbs. and i ended up making it and she didn't. and she is stale good friend of mine to this day. the question was at that moment, are you going to follow the tradition of cheer leaders and carry that flag? and the answer was no. as you think about the journey that ole miss was on at that moment, rachel, and what it subsequently mental, that i believe defining moment was one that allowed that university to turn the page and start moving toward the future. is it all the way where it needs to be? certainly not. but the way that you make, take a journey to a mile and playing it one step at a time. i think that was an important first step. >> and because you were there and you were willing to take that step, a lot happened because of what you were willing to do. thank you for helping us understand this.

i understand you haven't talked about this publicly a lot over the years. thank you for helping us. i appreciate you being here. thank you. john hawkins mr. hawkins mention that had the used to buy those flags with student fees and student money. one of the direct consequences of him saying he wouldn't wave that flag is that the university stopped buying those flags and handing them out for people to wave at the football games. he did it.

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as you know we have been covering for the last few weeks the historically giant field of candidates running for the presidential nomination. we started at 22, which i thought was an insanely high

number. we winnowed it down to 19 when a few people poofed because they said they wouldn't run. 19 an amazing enough number and poses some fascinating difficulties and awkward choices for the republican party. for example, we have reported republicans in the three early voting states in iowa, new hampshire and south carolina are all now protesting openly against the national republican party and the fox news channel because the early state republican parties do not like the debate criteria, which will exclude a significant number of the people who are in the running. those protests are a big deal. you can't be the official tv channel of the republican party, fox news, you can't be the republican party and give a one-finger salute to all three of the states who vote first in the republican primaries. you just can't. something really is going to have to break. and then today it got worse. today we learned that univision,

the huge spanish language network is joining the protests of the republicans in the early states. univision is revolting against the rnc. they are saying they and the "washington post" will sponsor their own republican presidential candidates forum despite the rnc saying they can't. depending on how they do it, what they are about to do will probably break the rnc's rules, just like republicans in iowa, new hampshire and south carolina want to, as well. so all three early states plus the biggest spanish language outlet in the country are vowing to defy the rnc's rules for how they are running the primary. something is going to have to break here. this cannot stand and we have a scoop on tomorrow night's show how the republican party is handling the pressure on the issue. it's really weird. it is tomorrow night. we're nailing it down now. please watch that. it will be great. bobby jindal became the latest to join the race.

he may not make it to the first debates which means he will have no chance to making it to subsequent debates which means he won't be running. bobby jindal polls at 0% among national republican voters. that's not going to get him in the race. in the latest fox news national poll he hits 2%. maybe he makes it in, maybe. that said in the same fox news national poll, the overall top two national finishers are jeb bush first and donald trump in second place nationwide. as the process of the republican primary basically breaks an the reality show guy beatles the governors so they can't really compete for the nomination but he can, there's one candidate who by a large, clear margin is having the biggest impact on the ground as a presidential campaigner. just in terms of the sheer size of his campaign events this guy

is blowing everyone away in terms of the number of people showing up at his events. the ease with which he is able to conjure large crowds but larger crowds than any other person running. he filled this gym in denver this weekend. it is a capacity of 2600 people. when he showed up, that room very quickly hit capacity and then they filled up the lacrosse field and all of the bleachers next door. 5,000 people turned out. the campaign said they only organized it with a few days' notice. a post on facebook. no heavy-duty publicity. they threw it together at the last minute. not an early voting state where people are hot wired to meet the candidates because they know they will be there. this is the one candidate on the trail who can turn out, i kid you not, 5,000 people with a facebook post. huge overflow crowd at the drop of the hat. thrilling supporters and bewildering the national middle class.

the candidate is bernie sanders. 5,000 people in denver this weekend. hillary clinton is the favorite for the democratic nomination. but there's something going on with bernie sanders. heroes charge! ♪ ♪ (explosion) ♪ hah! (explosion) ♪ lead your heroes in the hit mobile game download heroes charge now!

we can't allow hate to replace everything that our parents ever instilled in us. we have to be forgiving. we have to be loving. we have to turn love the noun in to love the verb. >> tonight marks one week since the small group of people who turned up for wednesday night bible study at the mother emanuel bible study in charge were killed. tonight it is more like 100 people who are congregated in the same room at the church

tonight including family members of one of the victims. 59-year-old myra thompson. funerals for the massacre will begin tomorrow. that does it for us tonight. in south carolina tomorrow. "first look" is up next. it's thursday june 25. right now on "first look" breaking news this morning. another employee at the upstate new york prison where two inmates escaped june 6 has been arrested. boston bomber tsarnaev speaks out for the first time. >> what he said show nod remorse, no regret and no imp think if for -- no empathy for what he's done. >> a scary fire. and queen elizabeth's reaction to a gift. good morning everybody. thanks for waking up