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hours. we're going to do our best to get to all of it. we are going to get to all of it. we're going to get to the historic supreme court decision to make gay marriage the law of the land everywhere. to the chilling explosion of terror attacks overseas. three on friday. worries back home of an isis inspired attack in the run up to the july 4th had holiday. to the news that is playing out right now the hunt for the escaped killer david sweat who remains at large in the woods of upstate new york after his partner in crime was shot dead late yesterday. take a look at this for a second. this is the front page of this morning's "new york times." the paper of record. they somehow managed to squeeze every one of the stories on to it t. that front page with that much news is a collector's item. this morning, we're going to do the same thing. a ton to get to this morning. and we're going to get to all of it t. come on along as we digest

one of the biggest news days ever. we're going to kick it off right now by bringing you the very latest on that very active and very dangerous hunt for the convicted killer david sweat. one of the two escaped convicts who got out of a maximum security facility three weeks ago. his fellow escapees shot and killed yesterday afternoon. just over 30 miles from the prison where he escaped. the manhunt at one point last week extending more than 300 miles away from the prison. all the way to the border of pennsylvania. yesterday, richard matt found in a neighboring county. msnbc's chris pelon joins us. he is on the scene there. what is the latest this morning? >> good morning. as the last hour has passed we've seen more visible as pects of this manhunt. day 22. over the last hour or so we've

seen large groups of state police cars coming out of the wooded area behind me. there's a helicopter going by overhead as the search for david sweat continues. as you mentioned. his partner in crime, richard matt shot and killed yesterday afternoon. how did police get to this area? they were searching in this area near the salmon river yesterday. that's when somebody who was driving a camper called and reported that they had been shot. there was a gun shot into the camper. police came to this area where the man said that he thought that the shot had happened. they found a hunting cabin that appeared to have been broken into. they could smell fresh gun powder in the air as if a gun had been shot in the area. they heard coughing and that's when they spotted richard matt. the governor said that police ordered him to put up his hands. when he dhintidn't comply he was

shot and killed. police believe his fellow escapees is in this area. they've got a 22 square mile area surrounded. they believe he's in the area. but they admit they have not seen sweat. the only sign they have that he's been in this area came his dna showed up in another hunting cabin with some food items were left on the table. they have no reason to believe the pair have split up. they have no evidence they did not split up. they feel like they are closing in on sweat at this time. and the investigation here south of malone new york continues. a perimeter set up around 22 square miles. police believe they are closing in on sweat. >> how important is it to authorities they take sweat alive? they won't be getting any information out of matt. it is important to get him alive to be able to find out more about the escape? >> the head of the state police

said obviously the goal was to take the prisoners alive. that didn't happen. yes, they want to get sweat alive. they need to unravel exactly what happened in that prison. as you might remember you know there are two people who are under arrest for possibly aiding in this escape or at least giving contraband to the huh scapies. they would like to know how the whole plot unfolded and how they were able to cut out of their cells. access cat walks come out a man hole a few hundred feet from the walls. with that being said they don't know if sweat is armed. they assume he is because matt was found with a .20 gauge shot gun. if it's believe the police officers' lives and sweat's, it will be the police officers. we'll be keeping a close eye

on the situation. bringing you the latest throughout the show. as i said at the top, so much happening right now. like the fact that gay marriage is now just marriage. a 5-4 supreme court decision paving the way for same sex weddings in all 50 states. and ending a year's long legal battle. but there is still a political battle when it comes to this subject. on the democratic side this is a settled issue. president obama, hillary clinton, both praising the decision yesterday. the white house even lighting up its exterior in rainbow colors as evening fell in washington, d.c. on the republican side a different story. every republican running for president denouncing the court's ruling. the party is torn over how to fight it going forward. how aggressively to fight t. wisconsin governor scott walker calling for the most democratic step. a constitutional amendment to overturn the decision. walker saying that would quote,

reafirm the ability of the states to continue to define marriage. jeb bush's campaign says he does not believe a constitutional amendment is the way forward. bush and other candidates like marco rubio instead stressing religious freedom. the idea of offering legal protections to people morally apposed to gay marriage going forward. rubio saying our nation was founded on the human right of religious freedom. our elected leaders have a duty to protect that by insuring no one is compelled by law to violent their conscious. after they lost the 2012 election. the autopsy said there is a generational difference within the conservative movement about issues involving the treatment and the rights of gays. and for many younger voters these issues are a gateway into whether the party is a place they want to be. if our party is not welcoming and inclusive, young people and increasingly other voters will

continue to tune us out. the most recent survey by pugh research center showing a majority of americans say gay and lesbians should be allowed to marry. the party's differences were addressed yesterday. >> we believe that marriage should be between one man and one woman. we're going to have maybe 12 13, 14 candidates in our party. and they're probably going to have 12 s 13, 14 different opinions on this subject or other subject. the beauty about this country and our party is that we let people decide in iowa new hampshire, virginia and across this country who our nominee is going to be. >> just a couple minutes we'll be joined by senator tommy baldwin to get her thoughts. let's discuss the reaction. what this all means for 2016. we have a political reporter for

the dwardguardian. and republican pollster kelly ann conway. let's talk about this. legal battle seems like it's over here. i'm hearing the same thing from the president obama and hillary clinton and very different things from republicans. as we say scott walker says time for a constitutional amendment. basically the george w. bush reaction to the first gay marriage decision in massachusetts all those years ago. jeb bush strikingly saying no, i don't think that's the way to go. this focus more on religious freedom. where is this going to shake out in the republican party? >> probably on the debate stage. also, as time marched on you're right there will continue to be a diffrinchiation among some of the candidates about the way forward. the republicans on the one hand i believe will mostly or all of them will say we believe -- they believe marriage is between one man and one woman. they believe in traditional marriage. you see a number of them saying i come from a position of faith

when i state that. i think chief justice job roberts echoed that in his dissent. if you wanted it to be the law of the land congratulations, celebrate your vict raempt don't think the constitution had anything to do with it. don't ridicule those who disagree because of their faith. you would have to say hillary clinton was a bigot until recently. very recently she said i don't believe in same-sex marriage. there are millions of americans who don't. some of whom will vote in republican primaries and caucuses. i believe that they and these candidates will speak from a place of faith. however, the republican party also says it respects the rule of law. what these presidential candidates need to say this is currently the law.

if i want to 41run for president and change the law -- >> one of the questions here is in 2004 it was so clear cut. mast legalized gay marriage. they spotted political opportunity. we are running against this. we're calling for a consdment. now that's the question for republicans going forward. do you want to spend 2016 saying we're going to try to amend the constitution? >> no, you don't. i think the supreme court has done republicans a favor by taking this issue out of their hands and then if you're marco rubio or jeb bush you can have this shift where you say that the court has ruled and we have to respect the court's decision. both of them actually said that. which is a remarkable shift given where we were a couple years ago. it's a testament to how the tide in public opinion has turned. sure scott walker saying a constitutional amendment is something he would support. he's trying to win the primary and hold on to conservative support in favor of traditional

marriage. rubio and bush recognize that's not a position that's not going to go over well especially with young voters in a general election. why not shift to religious freedom and why not shift to what's happening at the state level. how do we protect the religious liberty of the base who don't want to participate with that. i think they feel they can get away with that in the primary. >> think ahead to the general election, does that fly? will that fly with a country where basically 60% of the country says they're for gay marriage. even if it's 60% that's a majority at this point. if you're a republican and running on the position of i respect the ruling but i want to carve out space in this country for religious people who just don't like this. so that they don't have to have anything to do with it. bake the cakes, be at the wedding. can that argument fly in a general election? >> i think you'll have an answer to your question in the next few days.

we've seen the fund raising that's taking place off the obamacare decision. a lot of money is rolling into republican cougherffers. i don't think they bill be as successful as they are with the obamacare ruling. that will tip you to how this sh going to go. there is going to be a separation here. there's going to be the issue of how do you feel about same-sex marriage and that is going to separate from how do you feel about that baker being forced to bake a cake for a same-sex marriage. i know people like me, i wrote an article yesterday, i'm very pleased with the ruling. i thought they did the right thing. i was surprised they stated there is a constitutional right. i thought they would do something a little bit different with equal protection. but i pointed out that as much as i support this i don't think that you can mess with the religious rights of anybody, even if they're actually discriminating.

you can't get into their head to know what they're really thinking. you can't mess with those rights. because the right they have on a religious basis is as important as the supreme court mentioned for gay americans. >> you mentioned the idea of playing to the base and fund raising off this. this is ted cruz reacting to this ruling. let's play what he had to say. >> today's decision was a trav esty. it was not constitutional. it was five unelected lawyers imposing their own radical views on this nation. what we saw today, was five unelected judges setting aside the constitution. and saying the preferences of over 300 million americans don't matter. >> so i notice he said that in iowa iowa the evangelical christians is very conservative

there. think about the debate stage kelly was talking about. you'll have cruz and huckabee you may have santorum up there if he can make the top ten. are they going to poll the other people in this field like a jeb bush who wants to strike a more moderate tone. are they going to force them torhetoric? >> you want to up void being pulled in that direction. the evangelical part of the base makes up half of the electorate. they'll have to say listen we do believe in traditional marriage. it's not our position to overturn the court's ruling. they will be pressed on the debate stage. this will come up. i don't think that if you're ted cruz will be raging on a debate stage about this that much. rand paul and ted cruz took a long time to come out with statements. i think they're trying to figure

out how to navigate this issue. >> ted cruz couldn't find it, i tell you that. he didn't find the best way. i'm amazed by these guys who say i am a strict constitutionalist. i will fight to the death for the constitutionalist. the founders set it up that way. it's in the constitution. >> ted cruz is the only one that's running that has this deep and broad experience in front of the court. i disagree. he's a federalist. his whole argument is it should be a states' right issue. >> why pick on five unelected judges if he has so much experience? >> why not? >> but moving forward, i wanted to say i think the person who benefits the most in an odd way is bernie sanders. he's one of a handful of people who voted against bill clinton's

bill 20 some years ago. he has been for same-sex marriage for seven or eight years. he's sneaking up on hillary clinton, particularly on new hampshire. he's going to say it's a goodditiongood decision but what took you so long hillary? >> it was only a couple months ago where she said it was not a local issue. the republicans have some leeway. this is not barack obama who almost four years ago now came out and supported same-sex marriage. they could say hillary evolved in the fall. it gives him a little bit of wiggle room. >> it is amazing, too, when you -- joe biden and barack obama in the summer of 2012 and within about two years basically the entire democratic party was saying we're for this. still waiting to see if that will start to happen on the republican side. i'm looking for in the primaries is if there is room for one of

those 28,000 candidates that's running for president to say i'm for this fine with it t let's move on. no ands ifs or buts. we'll take a look at that. we are only scratching the surface of everything that's happening in the world right now. still watching the manhunt in new york. still get to the president's movinguleagy the wave of terror attacks and another major decision from the supreme court that will have a lot to do with president obama's legacy. first more on the history made yesterday. we're going to be joined live by a united states senator like a perspective of no one else's. senator tammy baldwin, she is next. stay with us.

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i said that if we are truly created equal, then surely the love we commit to one another must be equal as well. it is gratifying to see that principle enshrined into law by this decision. >> president obama commenting yesterday on the supreme court's historic decision to grant same-sex marriage rights across the country. the decision striking down bans on gay marriage that still existed as of yesterday in 14 states. all of them in the south and midwest. one of them not the state of wisconsin. that's where eight couples successfully sued last year to overturn that state's ban on gay marriage. we talked in the last block about the republican reaction. now the opinion of a wisconsin democratic senator. she became the first openly gay person ever elected to the

senate. let me start with this trying to take a step back here. i'm thinking back to 2004. just 11 years ago. commonwealth of massachusetts, the supreme judicial court. every state where this is on a referendum the idea of gay marriage passingment. would you believe we would have had this moment? >> i've been working on this since the mid 90s. i was hopeful that the arc of progress would continue. and yesterday was such a mile stone. such a huge mile stone in the march towards full equality and freed. love and love and plaelfamily is family.

the supreme court said it's unconstitutional. >> i want to ask you about the dissent from justice john roberts. he was saying gay rights supporter should not feel good about how they went about this. how they won this right to marry. basically suggesting that the right way to do it would have been to try to convince their fellow americans whether it's getting referendums passed in states getting laws passed. rather than appealing to a court like this. what do you say in response to that? >> you know i think that the way this played out actually is -- has been reflected in our nation's past history. the court cited a number of cases, in particular loving verses virginia where the supreme court of the land had to step in to assure that every american had the precesotections of the 14th amendment.

this is a shining example of that equal protection under the law. recognizing marriage has a fundamental right. and arguing strongly that every american deserves access to that fundamental right. i think it's a very important decision. and you know the states will still be at the center of lots of marital issues. they will be implementing this decision. but this was very very powerful. enterms in terms of no matter what state you live in that you can share in the fundamental right of marriage. >> you know we were talking about this in the last block, too,ther idea you're saying there might be issues going forward. one of the issues is probably going to be the place wheres the debate is going to move is this idea of relejsigious freedom. we got a taste of this earlier this year.

this basic idea of carving out space in this country where gay marriage is legal from coast to coast, carving out space for religious people who say i am morally opposed to this. if it's the law of the land it's the law of the land but i don't want anything to do with it. it gets down to the question should the bakery owner have to make the cake for the gay couple getting married. where do you come down on that? >> first of all, certainly the first amendment says that constitutions of faith that there is absolute power to you know to observe religious deeply held religious beliefs. i don't think it extends far beyond that. we've seen the set of arguments play out in issues such as access to contraception. should it be the individual pharmacist whose religious beliefs guides whether a prescription is filled. or in this context, they're

talking about expanding this far beyond our churches and synagogues to businesses and individuals across this country. i think there are clear limits that have been set in other contexts and we ought to abide by those in this new context across america. >> senator, hi it's kelly ann conway. i'm struck in justice kennedy's opinions where he talked about the value of marriage for children of married couples, whether they're same sex or opposite sex couples. the democrats don't often allow republicans to talk about marriage, well can we agree now to talk about the value of marriage and the dignity that befalls children as justice kennedy points out if they do have two parents? and the benefits? >> absolutely.

there were a number of things that justice kennedy said that you touched on in your question. one was that the desire to have the right to marry was out of a deep respect for the constitution of marriage. and that he hit that head on in his opinion. but also you know it's interesting, there was a lot made of his questions during the oral arguments. justice kennedy asked about children and people were trying to figure out where he was coming from. recognized in his question the fact that children might be discriminated against if their parents can't get married. and that this was really central to their security their protection, as they're growing up. and that the stigma they face if the country doesn't respect the family from which they come.

and so it was a very powerful opinion with regard to why this affects children as well as the partners to the marriage. >> all right, senator tammy bod wouldn't -- baldwin. thank you for joining us. >> still ahead the president did something yesterday we've never seen him do before in a speech for the reverend clementa pinckney in charleston. we have more on the very tense manhunt playing out as we speak. we're only getting started on the show today. stay with us. ♪ i built my business with passion. but i keep it growing by making every dollar count. that's why i have the spark cash card from capital one. i earn unlimited 2% cash back on everything i buy for my studio. ♪ and that unlimited 2% cash back from spark means thousands of dollars each year going back into my business... that's huge for my bottom line.

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richard matt. he had been on the run for three weeks. here's a look from biystanders reacting to the news for the first time. >> we got one guy down. >> yea! >> jim is a news analyst. he joins us now. one is dead one of them they believe is in a pretty narrow area in these thick woods in upstate new york. a situation like this where the guy is basically surrounded assuming he's in there. they assume he's armed and dangerous and desperate. what is the advice you're giving to law enforcement, how do you handle a situation like this? >> they'll squeeze that perimeter in steve. if they were able to keep him in the perimeter they'll squeeze it in. the calculation here really for sweat, if he hasn't a firearm, and he wants to engage tactical

officers, he's going to probably lose that battle like matt did. if he does not have a firearm, then he's likely to be captured alive. the tactical team is not going to shoot the guy if he doesn't have a gun, even if he charged at them. he'll live. the thing we don't know is does he have a firearm. he's likely been up all night, three weeks in the woods. they made it different distance we hear 35 50 miles in three weeks. they packed their things in a guitar case because they knew they weren't going to be eating in restaurants even if they were in joyce mitchell or in some remote location. they the parts of a plan a little shawshank redemption going. they were getting the prison guard to bring them paint which they used to paint the holes in

their cells. they tried to intimidate mitchell. when they scared her, it scared her enough i think their own viciousness is probably what tripped them up. >> if they had this plan to get in that car as soon as they came up from thalt man hole and that plan blue up and they had to improvise. as we say we'll keep monitoring the situation. we'll be joined by a former history, terry anderson who is going to tell us about what he thinks about a major change on hostage policy president obama announced this week. next. ♪ amazing grace ♪ ♪ how sweet the sound ♪ >> the president's moving eulogy

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wrote himself. a moving speech obviously. even breaking into song there at one point. >> that is correct, steve. we were told even when he was flying down here to charleston aboard air force one he was still putting the finishing touches on the speech. he worked without a teleprompter. he wanted this to be raw and genuine. from all reactions we saw here in charleston he was very successful. that arena was so full of people, they reached capacity. they had to send people to overflow centers which then reached capacity. people spilled into bars and rest rauptsaurants in charleston to watch this on television. we were at one of the restaurants when the president sang amazing grace. the entire restaurant stopped what they were doing and sang with the president. now we turn here today to another difficult day of funerals. this is still, of course a community united by grief. here at the mother emmanuel

church there are two funerals for three people will be held today. you can see the growing memorial of flowers, american flags, candles and cards growing for the nine people shot and killed inside this church. today's services will honor cynthia lunde. she was the manager of a library here. they have started a scholarship fund. later this morning the community will say good bye to 87-year-old and her nephew. they will be laid to rest in a joint service. this marked funerals for six of the nine people. one question we've been hearing is how is charleston coping how are they dealing with all of this?

the fact is right now the love and support they're receiving from around the world is what is keeping them going. they say once the tv cameras leave, that will be the true test to see if they continue to receive this amount of support and love to keep them going through the difficult weeks and months to come steve. back to you. >> thank you for that report. we also have this news to tell you about, some drama this morning at the south carolina state capitol in columbia. where a woman got past a wrought iron fence around 6:15 this morning and scaled the pole where the confederate flag has been flying. she then removed the flag climbed down and was arrested along with another individual. police saying this morning the flag has now been replaced within the hour of that incident. a rally scheduled at the site later today by supporters of the confederate flag in south carolina. all of this of course comes as south carolina's republican governor nikki haley is seeking to convince state legislators to

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lot of big news earlier this week. president obama making major changes to our nation's hostage policy. announcing that this week. the u.s. will no longer prosecute families who pay ransom to terrorist groups overseas. no actual prosecutions have ever come to pass. >> i want to point out that no family of an american hostage has ever been prosecuted for paying a ransom for the return of their loved ones. >> but we now know the government strongly discouraged the paying of ransoms. the new yorker reporting this week that the director of counterterrorism at the national security council repeatedly warned families of american hostages they risked prosecution if they paid terrorists. they felt the threat of prosecution and some of them then watched their loved ones die. james foley, luke summers, all ican hostages killed in the past year while being held in

the last year. hostages from countries that pay ransoms going home. this is a wrenching dilemma on the one hand. you never want to pay a ransom because it encouraged terrorists to take more hostages. if you don't pay a ransom we've seen what can happen. while the new policy allows families to pay for the release of their loved ones. the government is still forbidden from doing so. going forward, however, the u.s. government can talk with hostage takers. they'll also offer increased support for families trying to get their relatives back. is this good policy? for the family members and the country as a whole? we're joined by terry anderson he was held hostage in lebanon for more than six years. our panel also back with us. thank you for coming in. we appreciate you being here. let me ask you, this basic question about families your loved one is over there. you want to do everything you can to get them back.

there's demand for some kind of money. should families be allowed to pay that do you think? >> okay i got a real serious clash between principle and theory and reality. it's a really painful one. it's a difficult one. no. you shouldn't pay ransom. we found that out in the 80s in our case. the government agreed to trade weapons foreign policy hostages in lebanon. they got three hostages released. all of them came out of my prison. by the time the third one was released the hostage takers had got four more. they set up a market. that doesn't work. that's not practical. in reaction to those trades becoming public the government overreacted. it shut down everything. it said we will no longer talk to hostage takers or negotiate with them. we will not do this. and they used that as an excuse to literally do nothing. and including in that nothing was talking to hostage families. they wouldn't tell them anything

about what they knew. that was very painful. that was cruel. and not good policy. i'm delighted to see president obama listening to those of us who have been saying for years, this needs to be changed. and finally doing something about it. i agree with him. we shouldn't pay ransom. hard as that decision is. it's hard to look a family in the face and say we're not going to pay for your loved one. >> these european countries, they pay the ransoms and you have the situations where these -- american hostages are being held side by side with europeans and ineuropeans are going home. and we're seeing videos of our people losing their heads. >> yeah. look, how did we get released out of lebanon? nobody paid anything. finally somebody important, the undersecretary general of the united nations went to lebanon, allowed himself to be kidnapped so he could talk to our hostage

takers. over the course of a year persuaded them there was nothing to be gained from this. okay. it took a long time. it was hard. but it happened. they agreed and they eventually released us. can that be done again, i don't know. these are different players. >> when you think about the group -- hezbollah kidnapped you. when you think of your experience and you look at isis or al qaeda, can you reason with them? >> i don't know, this is a different level. these people are vicious and cruel. they don't seem to be amenable to reason. what do we lose by trying? we don't know if it will work. we do know the policy of not talking to them doesn't seem to have any effect. >> i take all the points you've made. you're certainly in a better position than anybody to have a good grip on this. i want to ask you, do you agree with decriminalizing the situation? >> not at all.

not at all. >> you should keep the criminal -- >> decriminalizing the hostage families. >> if you did negotiate with a hostage you were subject to criminal penalty. >> i think that was stupid and uncalled for. that was an overreaction by a government who is trying basically to shut everybody up. they want this thing to go away. because they don't feel like they can do anything about t. to punish families who are already traumatized and in pain for trying to get their loved one back, that's ridiculous. >> i wanted to ask there are some families who have expressed their support for the clarification here by the president. but indicated there's an extent of window dressing going on. the government has made subsitant changes. what's new here or is he trying to get past the political talking point that we don't negotiate with terrorists when that's not technically what the

official statement of policy has been? >> that's what i was afraid of when they announced the review it would be window dressing, they come up with something that looked good. i think there's subsitantative change here. whatever the actual rules were the fact was the government discouraged families from making any publicity and talking to anybody and negotiating with anybody. they tried to shut them up and keep them from doing anything. that apparently is going to change. they have always deliberaty said they're going to try to help families. families who have a hostage taken have a great deal of practical problems and difficulties that they don't know how to handle. they feel helpless they don't know what they're supposed to do. there is no rule book about this. so now they're going to have at least some core of people in the government in the state department who are going to be able to help the families. when i was taken, in fact the reagan and bush administration were very helpful to my family.

they talked to my sister all the time. they gave her information. until they were caught doing a deal. and then that all shut down. >> it went the other way. i wish we had more time. terry, i appreciate you coming in. you have a better perspective on this than anybody out there. i appreciate the time this morning. still ahead, the other very big decision handed down this week from the supreme court that is still to come. next, one of the escaped prisoners in upstate new york killed last night. police say they think they're closing in on the other. new details on that next. stay with us. this summer, get ready for suspense. unbridled jealousy. she's still there. new beginnings. goodbye. and sheer exhilaration. and sheer exhilaration. lock and load. roger. it's the event you don't want to miss. it's the summer of audi sales event. get up to $3000 bonus on select audi models now during the

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ago. his fellow partner in crime was shot and killed yesterday. more on that and where it stands. we want to get into the other major decision by the supreme court. that one that cements a keep part of president obama's legacy. that is coming up as well. plus three attacks on three different continents. all carried out yesterday with growing concerns now of another terror threat here at home. more on that ahead as well. a lot as we said to get to this hour first we are going to travel up to malone new york that is where new york state police are currently on the hunt for david sweat. after his accomplice richard matt was killed yesterday afternoon. msnbc's chris palone is live on the scene. where do we stand at this hour? >> you can see the state police checkpoint behind me along the banks of the salmon river. this is part of a 22 square mile

perimeter police have set up in the past 24 hours. and just the last few minutes we've seen huge groups of state police cars rushing in and out of that protected perimeter. also members of the border patrol and other federal and state agencies as they swarm this area where matt was shot and killed yesterday. this started coming to a head a little after 1:00 yesterday afternoon. when a driver who was in this area heard a noise. he thought maybe he got a flat tire. he was driving a camper. he stopped about eight miles down the road and he found a bullet hole in his camper. he called authorities. that led authorities to this area south of malone new york. and they found a hunting cabin. inside that cabin they could smell the smell of gun powder as if a gun had recently gone off. when they went to search the woods, they heard coughing and

nose. noise. that's when they saw richard matt. he was found to have a .20 gauge shot gun with him. police say they have not spotted the other escapees. it's the 22nd day of the search. they say they have no evidence that the pair split up. they believe they were traveling together. they can't confirm that information. the last sign we seen of sweat came a week ago last saturday when police found a cabin the pair had broken into and they found dna from both of the escapees in that cabin. they knew at that point they were traveling together. more than a thousand officers in this area south of malone new york. combing these woods, hoping that david sweat is indeed in there and they can track him down quickly. >> all right. thanks for that. of course bringing you the latest on the manhunt throughout our show this hour.

we want to turn to the other big decision out of the supreme court this week. more huge news to digest here. which is one day before yesterday's same-sex marriage decision. it was a decision yesterday to pave the way for same sex unions in all 50 states. before that the justices decided another case. it saved a key part of president obama's legacy. affordable care act, obamacare as it's more commonly known. >> today, after more than 50 votes in congress to repeal or weaken this law, after a presidential election based in part on preserving or repealing this law, after multiple challenges to this law before the supreme court, the affordable care act is here to stay. >> in the 6-3 decision the court held the healthcare law allows the federal government to provide subsidies to americans who purchase health insurance. regardless of whether a person

purchased that plan through a state exchange or one set up by the federal government. the decision allows more than 6 million people who qualified for tax credits to keep their health insurance. chief justice john roberts writing in the majority opinion, congress passed the affordable care act to improve health insurance markets, not to destroy them. roberts an appointees of george w. bush authored both thursday's majority pinopinion and the 2012 opinion that upheld the constitutionality constitutionality constitutionality. roberts was also the author of the majority opinion striking down section four of the voting rights act in 2013. he joined justice kennedy's majority opinion in the citizens united decision in 2010. he was among those descenting in yesterday's same sex marriage decision. he's not easy to pigeon hole. he's emerged one of the most

important figures in the obama legacy. and a prime target for conservative backlash. >> these justices are not behaving as umpires calling baulsz balls and strikes. they have joined a team. it's a team that is hurting americans across the country. >> i disagree with their decision. i believe baerkobamacare is bad. >> the chief justice roberts bailed him out the first time. his court has bailed him out again. >> joining me now to discuss justice roberts, the politics of the court, this major ruling cementing a big part of obama's legacy is a legal correspondent and senior editor for slate. our panel is back with us as well. dahlia the roberts' role in this. i want to start with you on this. this was an issue in so many ways that broke down on very predictable and familiar party lines. you look at the obvious liberals on the court. you knew where they were. the obvious conservatives you

know where they were. they were mirroring where the democrats and republicans were. here is john roberts, george w. bush's appointee and he sides with the liberals. how do you interruptpret that? >> john roberts may not have thought this was a serious case. this was a piece of litigation that arose from the theory that you could read four words in the aca in isolation. if you had this rigid cramped dictionary definition of what established by the states mean you could gut the whole statute. it was a hail mary piece of litigation. i think the chief justice from the get go was like this isn't the same as sebelius in 2012. this is kind of nutty. i choose to treat it as kind orphof nutty. he brought kennedy along. this was a 6-3.

we know from kennedy's writing in 2012, kennedy doesn't love this statute. i think when you get six people to completely renounce the theory that what a judge does when he interprets a statute is try to make them gut the statute. this is just the chief justice being judicial. >> i'm curious about the dynamics within the court. it's a mysterious place. there's no cameras in the courtroom. you had this theatrical descent from scalia. he is always the conservative stalwart. he wanted to be chief justice in 2005 when george w. bush nominated roberts. there is scalia with roberts sitting ing there with him basically saying this decision by the supreme court with this decision you should now rename obamacare scotus care. >> scalia has had quite a week.

me managed to turn the word applesauce into an insult and through jigry poker in too. he was mad in the dissent. you have to understand his life long project was to lead the court the entire court he thought to this vision of texttualism. that we don't care what the writers intended we read the text. when he had only garner two other votes on the court for what is really his poll star of what he thinks about judicial interpretation, i think it's a crushing moment for him. so i think what you see in that dissent is him saying not just -- look at the words, words mean what they say. but also what are you doing to my entire life's work? it must have been just devastating. i'm not surprised he was upset as he was. >> all right. thank you for joining us this morning. i appreciate that. we're going to turn just steps away from the supreme court to the u.s. capitol. that's where some congressional

republicans let out a sigh of relief on thursday. even if they don't necessarily want to admit that in public. after the aca decision came down one prominent gop house member telling nbc's luke russert that fight could have killed us. the court ruled in favor of the plaintiffs. congress would have been forced to do what they've been pledging to do for years. come up with a viable alternative to obamacare. the replace aspect of repeal and replace. even now a group of conservative members still focused on devising legislative strategies to get or repeal the law. house speaker john boehner saying there are no plans to continue the anti-obamacare battle in the house. saying most of the discussion so far is if the court ruled against the administration in king v burrwell what the response would be. many republicans on the 2016 trail facing gop electorate largely opposed to the affordable care act vowing to

dismantle the legislation. marco rubio quoting i remain committed to repealing this bad law and replacing it. jeb bush tweeting i am disappointed in the decision but this is not the end of the fight. scott walker adopted justice scalia's language. quoting today's scotus care ruling means republicans immediate repeal this law. how will republicans move forward legislatively and rhetorically in the face of thursday's decision? joining is a congressman charley dent. is the fight against obamacare by republicans over? >> the short answer would be no, it's not over. i believe what you will see is that the republicans in the house and senate will find specific aspects of the healthcare law that are problematic. for example, the medical device tax repeal.

the independent payment advisory board. you'll see other issues reinstatement of the 40 hour work week. you'll see incremental reforms that will be proffered by the house and the senate. i think that's where we're going to go. >> do you think anymore votes on repeal? we've had four or five dozen of them. do you think there will be any more votes on repeal of this thing? a situation if republicans were to win the white house in 2016 and have control of the house and senate theoretically then the idea of replacing obamacare with something entirely different would be possible. do you see that on the horize an at all? >> as long as we vea president named obama, obamacare will not be repealed. we all understand that. between now and the end of his administration you'll see incremental changes. if the white house were to go to the republicans, to republican nominee, well then what would happen is that we would likely have a debate but unless there are 60 votes in the senate i still think it would be very

difficult to repeal the healthcare law. even with a republican president and republican house, republican senate. unless you had over 60 votes in the senate. and i don't see that happening at this moment. this will continue to be an enormous debate. i know the president and others have said we voted to repeal obamacare over 50 times. many of these votes were on things like the 1099 issue which was repealed. that was something we did early on. it had to do with businesses that did more than $600 in business. they would have to do a 1099. that was repealed. the class act was another thing that was repealed. medical device tax. 40 hour work week. these are changes that are being lumped as part of a repeal move. >> congressman, i notice some of the things you said we could look forward to being changed in repeal. what i notice you don't include the one thing at the heart of the law that most upset people which is the individual mandate.

are the house republicans ready to acknowledge that it is impossible to have preexisting conditions covered in an insurance policy if you don't have an individual mandate? >> well i think there's still going to be a contentious debate about both the individual and employer mandate. as you know if the supreme court had ruled a little differently, on the healthcare law, the other day, what they would have done -- what the replacement plan on our side was going to be to continue the subsidies to a certain period of time and then we were going to suggest repealing the individual and employer mandates and provide help to the states. that's off the table right now. the individual mandate, again, many of us had strong opinions about that mandate that we were compelling people to purchase a product. i clearly the supreme court ruled it was constitutional. and so we're going to be

live ing with the individual mandate. i'm just as concerned about the employer mandate because it's clear to me that many employers will be dumping their employees into the exchanges. why provide health insurance if you can pay a $2,000 penalty that will cost you less. >> just as a quick follow up, congressman, i hear what you're saying. the question is throughout time since man kind began, nobody has found a way to cover preexisting conditions in a working insurance pool without mandating coverage for healthy people. i hear you say you want to repeal it and repeal the employer mandate,ing can you tell us how exactly you're going to mikeake it work to cover people with preexisting conditions. >> the idea was to set up high risk pools. >> they fail every time, sir. every time it's been tried in every state in america, it has dramatically failed. because they're operating a

state based insurance pool with virtually 100% sick people. it has never ever worked. the prices go way too high and nobody can get coverage. >> go ahead congressman. >> it would also require, of course subsidies to individuals in that pool. i mean i never expected anybody to be able to afford or everybody in that pool to be able to afford those insurances. i always kind of looked at it like the signassigned risked pool for drivers. i know it's different from the auto pool. we put drivers into the high risk pools and people have to go there to buy insurance. with hairbealthcare subsidies would be required. before the guarantee issue kicked in that was part of obamacare, to create a high risk pool subsidize people in those pools, and that was part of the obamacare remedy at least in

the short term. we also talk about using reinsurance models to help those who have no insurance have access. i agree every american should have access to affordable health insurance. the question is how do we get there. there is kwaegzquestions from democrats and republicans on that. >> really appreciate you taking a few minutes this morning. thank you. >> thank you. all right. still ahead, a huge turn around for president obama and his pursuit of a trade agreement. the behind the scene moves that led to this week's big surprising victory. next three separate terror attacks yesterday around the globe. three different continents officials here at home with a growing concern about a potential attack on our shores. details are next.

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that was found. the suspect was under the watch of french intelligence for some time but had fallen off their radar and had known ties to radical islam. he hung a flag actually with some islamic writings on the wall. the attack that happened in kuwait city two hours after the initial attack a suicide bomber entered a mosque and killed scores of people. this was a significant attack. isis claimed responsibility for that attack. and the most spectacular attack that happened yesterday ehappened in the resort town in tunisia. three hours after the first attack. a gunman disguised as a tourist appeared from the beach with a machine gun. he began spraying a lot of tourists mpt tourists. 37 people killed. isis is now also claiming responsibility for that attack. they have released what is believed to be a picture of the gunman. when you look at the scope of these three attacks happening on

the same day. not necessarily operationally linked. isis on tuesday, a spokesperson came out and said he wants to see supporters carry out attacks during the month of ramadan. this was the first full week of the month. we're seeing that manifest itself. it is a significant day. it gives you a sense of how big the scope of the global terror threat it has become. >> if we're talking about isis claiming responsibility for at least two of these right now. take that for what it's worth. if that's what they're saying are we looking at a situation where it's not a centralized coordinated effort from some central place they're saying you attack here you attack there. these are people who are more inspired by isis sort of coming up with these things on their own? >> absolutely. isis operates -- we'll go back to the original map to get a sense of the region. isis has franchised. they're in libya, saudi arabia, they've declared themselves there recently. isis in iraq and syria.

so the group itself now what we don't understand very clearly about is whether it has global operational capabilities. they're not like al qaeda where we know al qaeda has sent people from in yemen. isis is operating more through its social media and propaganda. trying to inspire individuals to carry out these types of attacks. in the eyes of u.s. intelligence officials this would be the worst case scenario. lone wolves inspired radicalized on online. and capable of carrying out deadly attacks. >> it seems much tougher to keep a lid on that. >> absolutely. even in the case of france where we still don't have any claim of responsibility and perhaps the individual in france is not going to be linked to the group officially in any capacity. but he was still an individual who was under the watch of french intelligence services. even in the case where they have somebody who could potentially be a suspect, somebody who could

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of dna for both inmates were found last weekend, narrowing the search. >> it's part of a hunting camp which is owned by corrections officers. three of them work at clinton correctional. the person who discovered the convicts works at another prison. the story is the cabin owner came up here on his atv. he had his dog and a gun he was coming to check the cabin. he looked through the door and saw someone move. >> we're joined by a retired nypd sergeant now a professor at john jay college here in new york. the reporting we have is they are confident, the authorities are confident they've got the second guy basically cornered in the woods. they're also saying -- the reporting is they've not actually seen him yet. they don't know for sure he's there. in fact they haven't had any confirmed presence of him in those woods for a week now. i'm just looking at this from afar. is there a scenario where maybe he's not there?

>> absolutely. because the last break in that they had they didn't find his dna, they only found matt's dna. the incident with matt yesterday it sounds like he made this dependent act. we have two alpha males here. they might have gotten into a fight along the way, how to go about doing things they might have had a split. it's beneficial for them if they did split up. one guy gets caught they don't know where the other guy is. >> they probably didn't trust each other that much. if he's in the woods and you have a situation where -- there's apparently value in taking him alive. you could find out more about the escape what was going on in that prison. if he is cornered there in the woods, he's got a weapon he's desperate right now. he knows he's cornered. how do you get a guy like that out alive? >> the hostage negotiation methods which they make contact. i'd want him alive. he's a treasure-trove in that

prison, who's involved. in the extent of what mitchell hads done. that's why we want him alive. you got to. >> and could you see a scenario again, assuming he is there, they've got him cornered it is a matter of time have you seen a situation like this where somebody managed to get out? >> hope is never a plan in law enforcement. they're going to tighten the net this morning. they're going to flush him out if he is there or they'll know by early afternoon if he's gone or wasn't there to begin with. i think in the next couple hours we'll know. law enforcement never tells anything until it's over. things have happened before and oh by the way three hours ago we got him. it's going to be something everybody is going to be on top of. as soon as that a little bit leaks on social media or the radio or whatever. >> we'll have it merehere on msnbc. thank you for taking a few

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all right. as we've been telling you keeping an eye on the continuing manhunt in new york this morning. in the midst of such an incredibly busy couple of days in the world of politics. it seems appropriate to turn to president obama's land mark week. as we've been discussing the supreme court making gay marmsh marriage the law of the land. the high court leaving the affordable care act intact. still the law of the land. and arguably the signature piece of legislation from this administration. even congress delivering a major victory for the president by advancing legislation that givers obama fast track authority to negotiate a 12 nation 12 deal. the president has the power to

finalize the transpacific partnership and send it to congress for an up or down vote. this is a remarkable turn around from two weeks ago. just two weeks ago when liberal democrats blocked obama's legislation in a stunning vote in the house. this week the elizabeth warren wing of the party was left lumenting their defeat. >> i strongly disagree with the majority leader who called this a great day for america. it is not a great day. it's a great day for the big money interests, not a great day for working families. >> obama this week joining forces with republicans and some democrats to beat back the progressives in his party. politico reporting that obama and his cabinet focused on a small group of persuadable democrats. paul ryan wrangled republicans through every means possible even text messages. joining me to discuss this big win for obama, what it means for his presidencies politico

reporter and our panel. two weeks ago we were saying revolt in president obama's own party. the demise of his signature second term goal. and maybe even the end of his relevancy as president. what happened in the last two weeks to get him to this moment on tpp? >> what a difference two weeks makes. it was really remarkable thae texent to which the president schemed with republican leaders to devise a legislative strategy that could overcome this house drark democratic opposition. they lacked the votes to kill the bill. the way the scuttle it was through procedural means and withholding the support. such as the workers aid program that was central to the trade agenda. they initially tried to do that. what did the republican leaders

and the president do? they came up with a legislative strategy to put in the bills in different pieces of legislation. move those through the house separately and the isn't spt separately and jam pelosi. pelosi george bush would not have done this with his republican leaders. he would have negotiated with john boehner nftin the room. that is not what is haphung withpening with obama. >> does this say anything? what does it tell us about the power? we talked so much about the rise of the elizabeth warren wing of the democratic party. maybe the resurgence for that matter of organized labor, at least as a power within the party. the fact that they lost this battle, what does this tell us? >> the most -- there's still a

very powerful presence within the democratic party. if you look at the numbers, just 28 house democrats voted for this fast track authority. and in the senate just 13 democrats voted for this fast track authority. out of a caucus of 46 members. you see a vast majority of the party feels this way. they are very influential voice. they may not have had the votes to stop this because republicans are in the majority in congress. al they have an impact on the campaign trail. that's why you're seeing hillary clinton take a very quiet role very low profile role. reserved approach. even back tracking from our support for the transpacific partnership because of the influence within the party. they may not have the numbers in congress. they have the influence within the democratic parties' debate over its future. >> we have the panel here within the democratic party that's the question going

forward. hillary clinton's maskednaged to avoid taking a stance. the video clip was of bernie sanders, it's becoming the bernie sanders party because he has the guts. >> you are enjoying this bernie -- >> i love it. bernie sanders is enjoy t. i enjoy it because it's smoking out hillary clinton who thinks by not saying anything she is making a statement. that's not true when you're running for president and when you're being squeezed from the left not just bernie sanders and members of your own party. she'll need endorsements from these house members. she'll need their voters in their states. i think because this is another area where she's had two different positions, the maximum number of positions you can have on this issue, hillary clinton has had and most recently no position. al it's tough for her. >> how long can she string it out? >> she's reaching the point soon now that we've resolved this for now in congress. before she was waiting to see

how it played out when democrats blocked the trade agenda from moving forward a couple of weeks ago. it gave her more wriggle room to say they haven't resolved it yet. there's only so long that she can continue to skirt this. she's still trying though. we asked her at a press conference in new hampshire i was at about a week ago where do you stand on fast track. should the president be given this authority. she kept going back to the tpp and said those negotiations are still ongoing. i want to see what the trade deal looks like. i don't think she can do that much longer. i think her team is waiting till she's on a debate stage or where she grants an interview. she's running out of time. >> i have to say, i am enjoying bernie sanders too. only because it takes me back to my younger guys bhwhen i was out there with mccarthy.

but like mccarthy sanders can't win the election. the reason fast track was not a good idea was for purely selfish reasons. we all work, we write. i can't read the tpp. al i don't know what's in it. i am not going to have an opinion until i get to read it. and with fast track, i'm probably never going to get that chance to really digest and report on 4,000 pages. >> did you clean for jean? >> yes. >> i did, that's right. >> did not know that. my thanks to manu. appreciate the time. still ahead the latest in the search for the convicted killers still on the run. we'll shift gears to lighter fair. the equivalent of fantasy camp for seinfeld fans.

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>> i don't want anything for it. >> he's very generous isn't he? >> yes, yes he is. >> i tell you what you can take me out to dinner sometime. >> dinner? >> yeah, you buy me a meal can't get a better deal than that. >> an iconic scene from one of the most iconic tv shows of our time. seinfeld. as we continue to navigate a busy day in news we didn't want to leave seinfeld behind. hulu plus is beginning to stream every single seinfeld episode. and the company which is partly owned bide comcast which is the parent company of nbc which owns msnbc which i'm on celebrated a launch to give people a chance to step inside the apartment. fans waiting in line for more than a hour so they could burst in the front door like cramer

used to do. one fan might have made the entrance a bit too cramer like by breaking the door as you're seeing there. we're joined by the man you saw in that clip. he played rival comic kenny bennia on the show. he joins us from the west coast. i love your character and i loved how the complete lack of ward jerry had for him. you play like a hack comic on that show. it's so amazing to me there are iconic shows but there are so few that are as enduring as seinfeld. you can watch a 20-year-old seinfeld episode and it doesn't feel 20 years old. >> it seems to be evergreen. it doesn't seem to end. and thank goodness seinfeld is getting another platform. soseinfeld will be appreciated. >> what do you think the key to that is? you think of the great sit calms

of the past. cheers people don't -- i don't hear people who watch cheers or family ties. what is it about seinfeld that connects today? >> i have no idea. but thank goodness it does. i'm just glad we're talking about seinfeld right now. after -- i've been hanging on watching the show. it's been -- supreme court, man hunts. i know this is is up with steve kornacki but can we take it down a notch. >> we'll do a segment about nothing. >> that's what we're doing nothing. nothing says nothing like my face. >> well, so tell me -- take me back to when you were doing the show. what was the experience look work ing with jerry seenfieldinfeld and being part of the cast. >> in all honesty, the character of bannia is a large character. he's out there. when i was doing the show the show was already number one by the time i got there. and they loved my audition and the character so much and

they're cracking up in rehearsal. when it was tape day, i wrauz kind of nervous. what if i do a character this big and bomb on the number one show in the world? i was a little show in the world? jerry was adamant, no no no trust it. it's hilarious. >> i got the sense your character, so much of the show was jerry seinfeld kms up as a stand-up cometic and it with be his stand-up comedy. was it based on a particular comic he had met in his contrary before? it seemed you were playing a type or a character who really bothered him from his past? >> it was a hack. i know larry david, he was very adamant. when we were first doing the rehearsals, the name bania was kind of hard to pronounce. so they would often jerry would say or elaine would say bania and we'd hear larry in the back go bania. he had somebody or something in

mind. there was no way it was going to be bania. i think it's that hack comic who is doing great and just moving on. i think if "seinfeld" continued or as jerry told me obviously i think jerry would have started working for bania. >> it's gold jerry. it's gold. sabrina? >> one of things you mentioned is the integration of stand-up comedy. it began and ended with jerry giving his routine. how do you think jerry seinfeld changed the way it's viewed? >> i don't know if he transformed the way it's viewed. it's different styles of comedy, right? i appreciated his style of comedy. he works completely clean. can go into any room. for me it's enjoyable for the art form to be able to do that. i think he wrought that style to

the forefront. every other comedian is appreciative appreciative, eddie murphy all the comedians at work. >> so is bosco still a funny by the and do you have uma thurman's phone number? >> anything that dissolves in milk is funny. and, no i didn't get the perk of uma's number no. that didn't happen. >> do you have a favorite episode, by the way? >> people ask me that and i think, for me it was -- because i touched on it before i think it was the very first episode. when i was nervous about doing bania and a character that large, jerry was completely right. they didn't know the character yet. as soon as i walked out and said, hey, jerry, i'm huge the audience just exploded. and the four of them were sitting in the booth, and jerry just looked up at me like i told you. and then the character just took off from there. >> all right, steve, your

appearance today was gold. it was gold. >> thank you. and, please now back to the man hunt. >> yes. we do have serious stuff to get back to. we will end our reprieve here. steve, thank you for joining us. >> i appreciate it. >> i want to thank our panel, sabrina and rick kelly ann, appreciate you all being here today. still ahead, the very latest on the search under way for one remaining new york prisoner still at-large.

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