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we can help keep people safe and to us that feels really good. this morning my question -- how will grace boggs celebrate her 100th birthday? plus weddings! now everyone is planning them. and president obama's win at the supreme court. first, amazing grace in charleston, south carolina. good morning. i'm melissa harris-perry. we have a lot of stories to get to today. first, an update on the fugitives on the run in upstate new york. 21 days after escaping from clinton's correctional facility matt was shot dead by federal agents friday afternoon. the whereabouts of david sweat
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are unknown at this hour. matt was shot more than 30 miles away from the maximum security prison near the town of malone. joining me now from malone new york is nbc news correspondent chris palone. what's the latest? >> reporter: i saw a search team checking a house and its property beyond the checkpoint on the banks of salmon river. police say they have surrounded a 22-square-mile area where they are actively searching for david sweat. we've seen many state police cars forestry cars border patrol, going in and out of this search perimeter as well as crews on foot and also a helicopter circling overhead as authorities try to track down that last remaining escapee, david sweat. authorities believe that sweat and matt were traveling
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together. as of last saturday they discovered both dna in a hunting cabin in this general area. yesterday afternoon a driver coming through this area heard a noise, thought he might have gotten a flat in the camper he was driving. he stopped, discovered a bullet hole. police responded to the area where he thought he got that gunshot into the camper and they found a hunting cabin that apparently had been broken into. they smelled fresh gunpowder, as if a gun had gone off and, moments later, they say they spotted richard matt. they ordered him to put his hands up. when he refused, they say that's when police shot him. he was discovered with a a .20-gauge shotgun. police believe the pair was traveling together but they have no evidence of that. no one has seen david sweat to confirm they were traveling together. police are pretty sure they have not split up and that's why they are still in this area. the words law enforcement are using to nbc news, hot on the trail, things of that nature.
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so 22 days after this prison escape some 20 to 30 miles away from here police believe they are bringing this to a close but david sweat continues to elude police at this point. >> thank you to chris pollone in new york. we turn to news in south carolina. this week began the first of a long line of home going services for the nine members of charleston's ame church murdered during a wednesday night bible study. on thursday the family friends, and fellow parishioners of two were joined by political leaders and these women devoted to family and dedicated to the church they loved. and yesterday the congregation came together once again with more than 5,500 mourners at charleston's t.d. arena to honor and bid farewell to their
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beloved pastor and state senator reverend pinkney. grieving alongside them was president obama who traveled to charleston along with first lady obama, vice president biden, and dr. jill biden to deliver the eulogy for reverend pinkney. in a rousing eulogy president obama talked of his devotion to the dual callings of his public life in the church and the office. >> he was often asked why he chose to be a pastor and a public server. but the person who asked probably didn't know the history of the ame church as our brothers and sisters in the ame church know we don't make those distinctions. our calling, klemm once said is not within the walls of the
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congregation byut the life and community we reside. >> president obama gave a lesson on the institution of the black church as a safe haven for those who have often only been able to find freedom within its sphere. >> over the course of centuries, black churches served as hush harbors where slaves would worship in safety. praise houses where their freed descendents could gather and shout hallelujah. there has been and continue to be community centers where we organize for jobs and justice, places of scholarship and network, places where children are loved and fed and kept out of harm's way. and told they are beautiful and smart and taught that they
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matter. that's what happens in church. >> and reflecting upon the response to the hoard that happened at emanuel ame the president noted the moments of grace borne of this tragedy. >> this week i've been reflecting on this idea of grace. the grace of the families who lost loved ones. the great that reverend pinckney would preach. out of this terrible tragedy god has visited grace upon us. for he has allowed us to see where we've been blind. he has given us the chance where we've been lost to find our best selves. >> in a speech that echoed the twin passions in politics and the pulpit, president obama knit together his role as both commander and eulogizer in chief
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by invoking our moral obligation to a policy response worthy of god's grace. >> perhaps it softens hearts towards those lost young men tens and tens of thousands caught up in the criminal justice system and lead us to make sure that system is not affected with bias that we embrace changes in how we train and equip our police so the bonds trust between law enforcement and the communities they serve make us all safer and more secure. >> and as i listened to the president talk about the meaning we have made from the deaths of the fallen i pause to consider the ways in which each of those precious black lives mattered. simply because they lived. "amazing grace" in one of the most powerful moments from her pulitzer prize winning novel
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nobel laureate toni morrison brings us baby suggs sermon. asking them to find salvation not in their deaths but here and now in their very own black skin. flesh that lasts. love it. love it hard. yonder they do not love your flesh. they despise it. no more do they love the skin on your back. oh, my people they do not love your hands. those they only use, tie, bind chop off and leave empty. love your hands. love them. raise them up and kiss them. touch others with them. pat them together. stroke them on your face because they don't love that either.
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you've got to love it. you. and so even as we bear witness to the transformative grace we have found after the deaths of mother emanuel's sons and daughters i don't want to miss the lesson taught that to be beloved of black life is still in and of itself a radical act. joining me is msnbc contributor, kelly brown douglas, author of "stand your ground." a professor of history and public affairs at practice ton university and author of "the pierce urgency of now" and feature editor for "the nation." i wanted to start with you because i felt the president was doing a lot of this work around redemption but black lives
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matter. >> that's right, he was. president obama showed a deep appreciation and understanding for the black faith tradition. of course these are his roots. and in so doing, he revealed that the black church has indeed always been a grace as you have said where black people knew that they were free. and they knew this in several ways. one, because the black church provided a free space. it was a sanctuary. it was a respite from a world that always contested their freedom. the black church provided services denied black people in the wider world, but it also affirmed the fact that black people were indeed sacred beings created to be free. they were created in the image of a god and so it affirmed the freedom of god and in so doing it affirmed the freedom of black
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people. the black faith tradition has affirmed black lives matter. >> and in that i just want to take -- there was this one moment that the internet quickly began to say was the blackest moment in american history. that is the moment of president obama singing "amazing grace" and allowing everyone to join along. let's remind ourselves of that. ♪ amazing grace how sweet the sound ♪ ♪ that saved a wretch like me ♪ >> and here comes the organ behind it. in something so familiar and yet
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i'm thinking what this president did in the moment was to give not only 5,500 people in the room but all americans an opportunity to sing "amazing grace" with their president. that is quite an extraordinary healing moment. >> you can see the organic running to get in place. you know, i think what's been interesting this week too, is watching how we as black people have wrestled with the black church and its history in our lives. >> it has its problems too. we've seen a lot of debate and powerful discussion about grace and forgiveness and what role it does and doesn't play for folks and i have wrestled with that myself. i have to say, one of the things that was powerful about the president's speech for me is it helped me land in the right place by reminding me of my own church roots and for particularly that line about this is where you go to be told
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that you are smart and beautiful and that your life matters. it is hard for me to imagine arriving where i am today as an adult having not been raised in the black church. >> i wanted to also -- for me there was an lbj-like moment as one aspect and that invitation to "amazing grace" felt not unlike president johnson's "we shall overcome." he was standing in a position of whiteness and using the civil rights movement but for president obama to use "amazing grace" in that way felt like an invitation to the collective movement in a way that felt not unlike the we shall overcome moment. >> i think that's a good point. that was in the voting rights speech of 1965. he comes to congress. we need this bill and he end it by saying we shall overcome. he ended the barrier separating washington from the movement. and here what the president was doing was connecting the church to himself, to everyone watching
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how we get through this moment and the speech did have policy in there. i think that's important. he's talking about criminal justice reform and that's been the theme of the week from the podcast where he started through that speech where we have to get to these policy issues if we're going to deal with the root causes of racism. >> and not an easy thing to do the both affirm the theological point that kelly is making but also a very clear policy point where he's like look we're going to have to have some voting rights and have to address in a very clear way gun control and all the other policies. >> absolutely. what's very interesting, melissa, oftentimes presidential speeches are scripted. there's a teleprompter the presidential seal. you know when the president is going to give a policy moment. what we saw yesterday was a president that was president but also that was black and the blackness was first and foremost -- he was unscripted. >> really? apparently the black president we have been waiting for was
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showing up. >> i don't think barack obama could have done that in 2010 and 2011. what you see here and i'll probably get in trouble for saying this but i do believe this, the president can be black now. he can be himself authentically himself. and i'm not sure running for re-election going up to 2012 you would have seen barack obama do that. he's very comfortable with who he is now. >> it's an interesting question we talk about the freedom constituted in the space of the black church and a freedom experienced in this moment this president for a whole many reasons which we will continue to talk about because much more on this and on what is happening today in south carolina. there is news and video about a confederate flag coming down in south carolina and that's next. in the nation, we know how you feel about your car. so when coverage really counts you can count on nationwide. ♪ love ♪
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moving the flag from the state capitol would not be an act of political correctness. it would not be an insult to the valor of confederate soldiers. it would simply be an acknowledgement that the cause for which they fought the cause of slavery, was wrong. >> that was president obama delivering the eulogy for reverend clemente pinckney and calling for the removal of the confederate flag. this morning it did come down briefly at the south carolina state house in columbia. joining me from charleston south carolina is nbc news correspondent sarah. can you tell us who removed it? >> reporter: a woman was noticed going up the flagpole. when they walked over she was in climbing gear. they asked her to stop. instead she continued to the top of the flagpole and removed that
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confederate flag. she's been identified as brittany newsome. thieves she was arrested by authorities. james tyson was also taken into custody. both have been charged with defacing monuments. i had the opportunity to speak to reverend jesse jackson, get his reaction to the developments this morning. he says not only was he not surprised this happened he was actually deveitlighted and said activists have a way of pushing the envelope. >> that is a nonviolent direction action video of the activists doing that work. sarah, i also want to just check in because in the midst of the activism there is also still mourning. there are more funerals scheduled today. what can we expect? >> reporter: we have two more funerals scheduled for three people today. the first begins in just under an hour. it is for cynthia lund manager of one of the busiest library
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branches, all of the branches will be shut down today, so her colleagues can attend her funeral. they're going to name the library branch where she worked after her. later this afternoon the funerals for 87-year-old susie jackson and her nephew sanders. a recent graduate of allen college. according to witnesses sanders tried to talk to the gunman to reason with him. when he realized that was not going to happen he tried to shield the body of his aunt with his own body. back to you. >> one of the most poignant stories to come out of this tragedy. thanks to sarah dallof in charleston south carolina. the historic week of rulings from the supreme court. first president obama's call for justice is next. >> for too long we've been blind to the way past injustices continue to shape the president. >> that's right. >> perhaps we see that now.
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for too long we were blind to the pain that the confederate flag stirred in too many of our citizens. by taking down that flag we express god's grace. i don't think god wants us to stop there. we've been blind to the way past injustices continue to shape the president. >> that's right. >> perhaps we see that now. perhaps this tragedy causes us to ask some tough questions. >> that was, of course president obama yesterday eulogizing the reverend pinckney in south carolina. joining us from charleston is dr. randolph president of the south carolina conference of the naacp. we were together yesterday there in charleston. what do you hope south carolina political leaders see now if their eyes are, in fact open as the president says? >> well first of all, good morning to you and your listeners and i thought the president gave yesterday one of
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his best speeches in the past six years not because it was about race but because it was about truth, justice and equality of all people. i give him very high -- i give him very high marks for his comments on yesterday, but we're beyond the commentary now. let's get to some action. again, i mentioned to one of the reporters yesterday for 239 years we've been celebrating fourth of july frederick douglass addressed that. what does fourth of july mean to me? that's the attitude i've had the last 65 years with fourth of july. it's time for us now to move from the verbiage and move to some work. we have educational issues in south carolina that have not been addressed. we have a plethora of issues that we need to address, education, the criminal system that is improving but we still need to put it on a fast track in overdrive and health care
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disparities. i want to thank the supreme court for moving away from their conservative views to a more humane view of the past week in helping citizens to know that there is help on way. >> dr. randolph stick with us. let me come to exactly this topic around policy and even around the court. we saw this week another important decision on disparate impact. i want to listen to what i swear was president obama referencing that in the eulogy yesterday. let's take a moment. >> maybe we now realize the way racial bias can infect us even when we don't realize it. so that we're guarding against not just racial slurs but we're also guarding against the subtle impulse to call johnny back for a job interview but not jamal. >> not about these murders
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because this wasn't an implicit bias. he was name checking something else. >> in the fair housing decision which is a huge one overshadowed by the other two, the court argued that it's not simply about intent. it's about effect. and so that opens up a whole host of issues about racial policy that i think are quite important. he's clearly referring to that and it even goes beyond i think, in some ways how the law was originally envisioned so if implemented it could be very effective and powerful. we'll see what happens. it's about implementation. >> and it speaks to the debate about race and policy over my lifetime of this difference between whether we are concerned about intent or impact. and a conversation and a policymaking frame that switches us to we're concerned about the impact would be a radical change with race and public policy. >> besides policy geeks reading
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the supreme court, what the president did yesterday was break it down in layman's terms that johnny will get the call back after the job interview but jamal probably is not. and jamal will probably get the job interview but won't get the job. people that look like you and i have a steeper hill to climb. this goes back to a president who feels liberated to help connect these dots and say, look, america, look inside the mirror. what type of country do we want to be and are we on the road to the more perfect union. i think we are. >> i want to come back to you in a moment. you said to me yesterday as we were talking about the big policies, you said yes, all of these important big policies but it is important to take down that confederate battle flag. i want to be respected as a citizen. is that what's at stake with that flag? >> that's the issue. at the end of the day, at the end of the day all of the citizens of the state regardless of their ethnic background religious philosophy want to be respected as human beings and,
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unfortunately -- unfortunately -- in most circumstances and most situations the laws passed in this state thus far have been more confederate oriented laws than we've adopted. our love for the confederacy we've seen in every aspect of government this the state. it's time for them to end and i'm sorry that it had to take the loss of nine lives but also it took pointing the finger at this state from all over the world, everybody on planet earth now knows about south carolina and that south carolina has work to do. we don't want -- we want south carolina to be a part of the union. we want south carolina to disengage itself from that mentality held since 1860. >> up next we come back i'll do a little theological work on this idea about the position of death as a way of calling us to attention when we come back.
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god continues to shed his grace on the united states of america. >> that was president obama yesterday wrapping up his eulogy in charleston south carolina. i want to come to you on this. he emphasizes the united states of america. and i just -- my theological moment here. from a christian tradition we think of that most important moment in the story of jesus who is the christ that is the death and resurrection. we get focused on the idea of bloody sacrifice. part of what president obama did was call us back to an african-american tradition that said, yes, that matters critically but the other part was the life of jesus of nazareth which was about taking sides with the poor and sitting
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with the dispossessed and being an actual in life policymaker that affected and changed people in the moment of life. i thought there was something important theologically about that move that he does. >> that's exactly right. first of all, the black faith tradition affirms and what's central is the crucialfix and resurrection. the meaning of what's going on here is not simply found in the crucifying deaths of these people. that's not going to define them. it's not going to define who they are and who we should be as a nation. meaning is found in the resurrected realities of new life a new life in this nation that points us away from the crucifying realities of injustice to the resurrecting realities of justice and equality, et cetera. i think one of the things president obama was doing in this eulogy is stepping into the
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legacy of president lincoln's second inaugural address, john f. kennedy's civil rights speech on june 11, 1963 and calling the nation to a point of where it has to make a decision. is the nation going to be a slave nation or is it going to be a free nation? and so that's what president obama is doing. theologically if i'm going to follow through on your train of thought theologically president obama is saying are we going to be stuck in the crucifying realities of injustice or are we going to move forward in the resurrecting realities? >> are we going to sunday morning? >> exactly right. part of what feels important to me as we do that is to remember and to affirm like the relevance of living black people in that process that it's not our only contribution to this isn't to die a horrible death, right? that there's actual value in the work we're doing in our existences. >> and he continued to point to
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the work of the people of reverend pinckney and all of the others and he suggested that we have to find meaning in the work they did. >> i mean but the other lesson from kennedy is he couldn't do it. so kennedy did get a civil rights plan. >> it was his death that finally did it. >> the deaths in the civil rights era struggle were turned by a movement into an incredible push for legislation and i think that's a lesson today that's important. >> and we see that happening, right? we see these deaths and we see free bree scaling the flagpole and bringing it down. you end up with interesting allies and bedfellows. >> a republican in alabama who proactively said this has to come down. hamlin who is out in front even before people started to call for it proactively said this has to come down. >> that flag is bad for
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business, right? >> it's bad for business. >> walmart is like we ain't selling it then the governor of south carolina, well i can't really have walmart mad at us. >> it is also because we have spent the past year with a movement that is under debate. saturday morning somebody is going to climb that flagpole. >> and somebody is going to get it on video and connect it. >> that is what is changing and what is important. i think we need to keep -- >> the movement matters in the context. up next president obama calls for an end to the unique mayhem of america's gun violence.
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sporadically our eyes are open. when eight of our brothers and sisters are cut down in a church basement, 12 in a movie theater, 26 in an elementary school. but i hope we also see the 30 precious lives cut short by gun violence in this country every single day. >> that was president obama yesterday making a familiar plea that we as a country must do something to limit access to guns and stop this mayhem of violence. just so you know that number that he was talking about, that 30 is about the murders but i don't want us to miss 55 daily suicides by firearms 55 daily suicides in this country by firearms, two accidents, one police intervention and one we don't know what it is.
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nearly 90 deaths a day in this country by guns. is there any possibility this might be part of the policy conversation going forward? >> i think the president's own record of saying there's no policy avenue for this number to go down the congress says there's no appetite to bring this up. the congress has no -- the natural con constituency of the congress the republican majority, there's no pressure from their constituency to put this up. what you saw is the vast silence of the members of congress in terms of issuing statements and so forth after the gun violence and what you saw from presidential candidates the silence as well. >> everybody could denounce the racism but people were not prepared to denounce -- >> it's the pressure against. in this podcast early in the week he talked about this. in a visceral moment the comedian asked him what's going to happen and he says nothing because the nra has control over
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many members. the actuality is that gun sales will probably spike now. >> they often do. >> no no he says that. >> people are thinking to themselves if i'd been in that bible study armed then i could have been -- >> as the nra will say. he's aware of a broader change needed if there's going to be a policy response to this. >> the nra continues to hold enough threat against you as an elected official where even if this isn't your core issue -- >> in both parties -- >> it's not worth -- it's just not worth the price you're going to have to pay to fight them and that's a tragedy and a shame. >> maybe this more than any other moment is the "amazing grace" moment for our president. he knows that. he has eulogized these moments. and yet he was still like all right, one more time in a week when marriage equality becomes the law of the land i'm not going to throw up my hands and
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say it can't happen. i'm going to say not only in this moment but every single day nearly 90 americans dying from these -- more than half of them at their own hands. >> now as i have said how weak and powerless our president is is a thing i struggle with. that said, if he would bring the energy he brought on tpp to gun violence perhaps we would see something. >> one can make the argument the president -- not just president obama -- >> a president. >> has not led on this issue. get out in front of the issue and use the bully pulpit to educate the american people. look, the nra has a strong hold around your congress but there's something you can do. let's have a conversation. >> do you know whose job that is right now is the candidates. if this is going to be a national conversation then it would be a national conversation in the context of an election.
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the mass shooting at ame church in charleston has reignited the debate to remove the confederate flag. as was written in the nation this week so much of the political discussion following the massacre is racism and race-based efforts to control the political process go much deeper than symbolism. take for example voter suppression even after passage of the civil rights act in 1964 many african-americans were still unable to vote because states and municipalities use tactics, literacy tests, and intimidation to stop people from casting their ballots and the
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voting rights act of 1965 signed by president lyndon johnson put an end to those practices and appointed federal examiners to oversee voter registration where voting rights were endangered. it was a law that many died for and fought for and marched for. a crown jewel of the civil rights legacy president obama mentioned yesterday in his eulogy in charleston south carolina. >> he was the progeny of a long line of the faithful. a family of preachers who spread god's word a family of protesters who so changed to expand voting rights and desegregate the south. >> in 2013 part of the civil rights legacy was put at risk when the supreme court gutted a key provision in a 5-4 ruling the court invalidated a section of the act that required certain jurisdictions with a history of racial discrimination.
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this wednesday congressional democrats introduced legislation to restore what was lost in that 2013 ruling called the voting rights advancement act of 2015. joining me now is contributing writer for the nation magazine and author of "give us the ballot." the modern struggle for voting rights in america. >> thank you for having me and blurbing my book. now it's official. the bill is significant because it does two major things. it forces those states with a history of voting discrimination over the last 25 years to approve their voting changes to prevent future discrimination including 13 states not just the states of the deep south but new york and california where there's more recent voting discrimination. it looks at those practices that lead to voter suppression or dilution nationwide and says if you have a new voter i.d. law or proof of citizenship law or an annexation or moving of a
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polling place, you have get federal approval for that too. it's doing two very interesting things using the voting rights act to stop discrimination and using more innovative way looking at the new forms of discrimination and trying to prevent that too. those two parts of the bill if it passes would be very powerful. >> this is my favorite part of the local color yesterday was when they stepped off air force one, john boehner was holding an envelope that usually people have when they've ridden on air force one or flown on air force one for the first time under a given president suggesting maybe this was the first time boehner flew air force one with the president. and i'm just wondering if in fact in this moment we might finally get to a point where, for example, a new vra section iv is possible because this tragedy brought together two people who hadn't been together before. >> it might. the boehner/obama alliance on free trade is much different than asking for an alliance on voting rights where the
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republican party has been dug in against this kind of legislation. you've had the court go after the bill. that's where it started. then you've had in the states as ari has written a real reversal, an effort to impose new restrictions on voting rights. i think it will take a big haul. it will take more than a little schmooze on air force one to get the republicans onboard with this very important bill. >> so we're talking about if gun control is going to become annish ruean ish issue it would be the first time under a full lack of section iv section v protections. how much might that actually impact 2016? >> i think it will impact a huge impact. you're talking about states like texas and north carolina where thousands of voters have already been turned away from the polls in midterm elections. the turnout will be higher in 2016. battleground states in the south and elsewhere. voters need that protection. i think it's time for the republican party to step up.
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robert and i were in selma together with all these republicans who went to selma. it was a mourpowerful moment. we have to give them credit. we have to tell them the fight is not over. it didn't end in 1965. the fight is still ongoing today and if you want to honor selma, if you want to honor charleston you have to honor the work for voting rights and that is protecting the voting rights act. >> the bill ari mentioned that's kind of in limbo, if you will is not the bill that will pass in congress. it's probably -- >> not that aggressive. >> it will be a watered down version. based on the previous segment, republicans are feeling the heat right now politically but also emotionally. you can't live in this political reality without some type of a bill. i don't think it will be as tough or astringent as you said ari. >> the last bill wasn't going anywhere either. senator leahy told me --
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>> can they name it after pinckney? >> i don't think you want to do that. yes, you can legislatively. i don't think republicans would feel comfortable but behind the scenes, we watch television, we've seen ferguson charleston baltimore. let's not politicize this by putting a name on it. this is a voting rights advancement act for all americans. again, i think by putting the name on it unfortunately, a lot of republicans will shy away from that. by politicizing this if you will, i think that's not a good strategy for president obama or the white house. >> there were many republicans in '65 who understood if they didn't come out for this it wasn't simply a moral issue. they were going to lose support and the democrats would rack up a lot of votes. partisan competition can work in the favor -- >> the fight is for white voters. it's a question of whether those
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white americans who walked in the thousands yesterday into that arena who are feeling in this moment do they want to be a part of a party that would stand in the way of voting rights. >> structural in state by state, and ari can speak to this this is working. the voter suppression is a successful electoral strategy for the republican party thus far and there's not a lot of reason to fix what works. >> i know you have to go really quickly, i think voting rights is the wrong terminology to use from a pr standpoint. voting equality is probably something that rhetorically sounds better and the process would get much more support. >> not only doing a political strategy but moving us into the next hour. thank you to ari berman. the rest of my panel will be back in the next hour. we have much more to come this morning. the latest in the manhunt in upstate new york and that historic week that was. there were some wins this
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this area alongside the salmon river south of malone, new york. they've set up this perimeter around 22 square miles of forest land bordering this river that block blockades after matt was shot and killed by a federal agent. what led police to this scene, they were searching in the area when a driver who had a camper reported that his camper had been shot. it had a bullet hole in it. police came to the area where he thought he got that gunshot into the camper. they found a cabin that had been broken into. there was evidence that the prisoners might have been in that area recently. when they went outside they heard a noise and saw richard matt. they ordered him to stop put his hands in the air. they said he wouldn't comply. that's when they shot and killed him. they recovered a .20-gauge shotgun from him. police believe matt and sweat were traveling together. their dna was found in a hunting cabin about a week ago.
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police admit they have not seen sweat with their own eyes. they have to assume he's in this 22-square-mile area but they do not have proof of that just yet. the search continues, melissa. >> thank you to chris pollone in malone, new york. i want to bring in matthew fog for the u.s. marshal service. help me to understand do you think matt and sweat were still together or had separated before the one suspect was shot? >> melissa, it's been my theory all along that i thought they had separated early on. maybe when they got to the cabin when they first got out that was their contingency plan to get there, hunker down for a while, i believe they separated. >> help me understand, this is very close to the canadian border. i actually was quite surprised to discover they were still -- that at least matt was still in new york. is there any reason to think sweat could have crossed that border into canada? >> we just don't know. that's a possibility because of
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the fact that right now if you think about the shoot-out that they had and the police were able to move into that area and actually kill matt i mean the bottom line is the other guy would have been nearby close by the dogs would have picked up his scent. it seems they would have had more evidence that they were together. they don't have that right now. they have some footprints they can't even be sure of those. i would say there's a possibility he could have made it to the border. >> a breathlessness in our reporting. we're being told from people they're hot on the trail, and yet it's stunning how long this has gone on based on your experience where do you think they ought to be looking for sweat right now? >> they're in the right spot, but i think they have to pan out even broader. they're saying with all the information they have right now we have one of them here. we just have to believe that maybe the other one is in this location or somewhere in this brush but, again, they're sort of like they have their planes
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up, the radar, the infrared going at nighttime but they just don't have anything else. i would say having done so many of these things and been on the hunt, i would say you have to pan out at some point, start widening your perimeter but in the meantime continue to crunch until you cover every area of that location where matt was killed. >> matthew fogg in washington, d.c. thank you for joining us and wearing a tie that matches the set. >> thank you. >> thank you. friday morning the supreme court delivered a landmark ruling in obergefell guaranteeing same-sex couples the right to marry. whether a state must recognize marriages made legal in another state. by ruling 5-4 that states cannot ban and must recognize those unions the court made same-sex marriage legal in all 50 states. delivering a huge victory in the
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hard fought battle for equal rights writing the opinion justice kennedy said this of same-sex couples seeking marriage licenses. their hope is not to be condemned to live in loneliness excluded from one of civilizations oldest institutions. the constitution grants them that right. there was celebration in front of the supreme court as the news of the ruling spread. president obama spoke from the white house rose garden. >> what an extraordinary achievement achievement, what a vindication of the belief that ordinary people can do extraordinary things. they should be very proud. america should be very proud. >> before friday 37 states and the district of columbia had already made same-sex marriage legal. and an april 2015 poll shows
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more than 60% of the nation supports same-sex marriage. while the court decision does not align with popular opinion, the -- does align with popular opinion, the justices split 5-4. one probate judge in alabama even stopped issuing marriage licenses altogether since the state legalized same-sex marriage. responding to the supreme court ruling judge wes allen said my office discontinued in february and i have no plans to put us back into the marriage business. our policy is no different today than it was yesterday. while it was a meaningful victory it's clear the struggle continues. joining me now chief justice, professor of constitutional law at nyu school of law and author of "speak now: marriage equality on trial." i'm glad you took time off and finished that book before this extraordinary moment. what did you read there? >> i think he tipped his hand
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when he said an oral argument that this case of obergefell and the board of the gay rights movement as was done to brown. he compared this case before us today to loving vs. virginia, the 19 67 case, the right to engage in an interracial marriage 16 states at the time when it was decided. very very analogous in terms of the numbers to what happened today. i think more importantly, melissa, this is not only about liberty but equality and the two things interlocked and chief justice warren's opinion this is not only about the freedom to marry, not only the right of equality it's about everybody. he made the two things come together. i think that this opinion wasn't
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as explicitly patterned as it has been but it had that soaring rhetoric in it. >> it feels sometimes like the universe is purposely trying to keep us from being too reductive in that arc of history moving towards justice, the idea we were burying in charleston south carolina, the victim of a racial hate crime at the same time that we have this enormous and meaningful decision occurring in the courts. i am wondering about the ways in which not only the courts but sort of the movement sits at that intersection of successes and failures all at the same time. >> yeah. so i love your line which i know comes from your dad about how the struggle continues. it was once said there have been many civil rights movements that have begun but no civil rights movement has ever ended.over. there's a lot of running room or
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progress that still needs to be made. i actually think this will still continue with regard to the 29 states that still have -- still lack employment protections from gay rights. talking about whether you could eat at chick-fil-a. >> i want my waffle fries back. no sorry. >> so the 200 nations around the world that still lack marriage equality. 17 nations that still ban sodomy, eight of those countries make that sodomy punishable by death. it's a really long road there as well. >> is there anything in the decision that might give some idea of what the successes of those continuing struggles within the question of rights for gay, lesbians and transgender might look like? >> that's a wonderful question. thank you for asking it. a couple of things. with regard to the religious liberties defenses chief
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justice roberts pointed out that justice kennedy didn't leave much running room for people of religious objections to same-sex marriages. that's an important protection for gay rights. no religious right to discriminate. second, you noted that the strategy -- closing the swimming pool rather than integrating it i'm not going to grant to anybody, that strategy i think, was defeated by a very clever move. if you're just talking about equality, let's think about this. >> no public pools for anybody, no marriage. >> level down as well as up. once you say there's a fundamental right, you can't level down anymore. a case where jackson, mississippi, said we'd rather close our public swimming pools and to integrate them. that was upheld as totally come
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porting with the equal protection. but there's no right to use a public recreational facility but there is a right to marry for same-sex couples. you can't level down the way alabama county is seeking to do. >> it's a big win. kenji, stay with us. there is more to talk about when we come back. he's older so he needs my help all day. when my back pain flared up we both felt it i took tylenol at first but i had to take 6 pills to get through the day. then my friend said "try aleve". just two pills, all day. and now, i'm back for my best bud! aleve. all day strong and try aleve pm now with an easy open cap. .s take a look at your credit. >>i know i have a 786 fico score, thanks to ex . so what else are you going to throw in? leather seats? >>and this... get your credit swagger on. become a member of experian credit
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today's ruling from the supreme court affirms what millions across this country already know to be true in our hearts. our love is equal. >> both the lead plaintiff in the landmark same-sex marriage case. kenji is still with us. susan summer director of
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constitutional litigation and ky wright for "the nation." i want to come to you on what happens next. i don't know that people always understand precisely, the court has made a decision and now what. having lived in louisiana for many years i was not surprised to see the louisiana ag attorney general, writes there's not yet a legal requirement to issue or perform marriages. the attorney general's office will be watching for the court to issue a mandate or order to make today's decision final. you still can't get married in new orleans just yet. >> marriages are starting in lots of places all around the country. lots of government officials are not waiting for the last i to be dotted and the last "t" to be crossed. it is within the rights of every government around this country to be issuing those marriage licenses and we expect it's just a matter of very short matter of time before everybody can marry anywhere they want in the united states and delay would start to
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incur personal liability on recalcitrant officials. >> what do you mean by delay might incur -- >> the supreme court has spoken very clearly with the law of the land. refusing to issue marriage licenses is going to mean that you are in violation of the u.s. constitution and you know it because the supreme court has told you so. so if there is undue delay beyond what is a few days what is reasonable just to get -- gear up your administrative processes, that could run the risk of personal liability. >> there was tons of enthusiasm about this. there was also dissent, dissent even within the court. chief justice roberts dissenting many people will rejoice but i begrudge none of the celebrations. scalia writing for us whoever
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thought that intimacy and spirituality, whatever that means, were freedoms. intimacy is one would think freedom is a bridge rather than expanded by marriage ask the nearest hippy. so there were other words being spoken yesterday. >> yeah look i don't know what that means. >> i don't even know where the nearest hippy is. i would ask them if i could find them. >> it doesn't matter. i think what matters here the true justice here the supreme court constituent, is justice kennedy. he clearly was the one who was the swing vote on this but fairly predictable here, libertarian when it comes to privacy, the second amendment here. because he was -- had the seniority, he actually chose himself to write the majority opinion here which is very very important. he wanted to control the narrative here. there's a reason he did this we think, from what i read why he did this on a friday because this is the anniversary of two other supreme court cases on gay
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rights windsor in 2013 ands are another one in 1988. this was a deliberate attempt to send a message to the country. >> is there anything in this decision that we should -- or in the dissent that we should see as kind of a crux basis for -- i guess for me what does marriage mean? we're going to continue to talk about this. what does marriage mean in terms of establishing some set of citizen-based rights if that makes sense? >> help me out here too, but i think that kennedy's opinion really lays out in the beginning of the opinion the four different rights that go under the bucket of rights so the freedom to marry. the right to make decisions about one's intimate life. second, he says it's about the right to engage in a couple relationship. third, the rights of the children, something that he's
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really hammered again and again in oral argument and his writings on the marriage issue and finally says it's a responsibility right. it bears responsibility to the state. that's why this appeals to the conservatives that it appeals to and rightly should appeal to that the this is not just free to do whatever i want. when i marry, i actually incur obligations as well as exercising freedom. >> and, in fact i wonder if that is the only little kind of small not so happy lining of the whole thing is part of what political movements gave was to all of american politics was a pushing back against convention and i am thrilled by this and this feels like the right decision for freedom and equality and all of that. i wonder if we lose a little something about how valuable political movements have been to say the way we order society is not the only way we can order it. >> we don't lose that in yesterday's opinion. we lost that over the course of 20 years of politics around
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this. i would urge all of us to use the word and more and i think this is a perfect example. i think it is both true that as a movement of my own politics that we want to be in a place we're challenging society to think about the ways we arrange ourselves differently and it is true that if we are going to bestow a certain set of rights based on being married, everybody ought to have access to those rights. both things can be true. i hope we have a movement that is robust and big enough to hold both concepts at the same time. >> i want marriage to be a right but also not a requirement, that one can cover one's beloved under one's health insurance without marriage being the one and only relationship that we think of as valuable. >> exactly. and that we understand gay politics and queer politics.
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>> and sexuality in general. how we protect trans people as human people. >> dignity under the law that is guaranteed under the constitution. that's critical. >> thank you to susan who i didn't realize was leaving. i would have come back. who knew? the rest of the panel is sticking around. up next it was a week of wins for president obama but this may have been the biggest. ya know, viagra helps guys with erectile dysfunction get and keep an erection. talk to your doctor about viagra. ask your doctor if your heart is healthy enough for sex. do not take viagra if you take nitrates for chest pain; it may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. side effects include headache, flushing, upset stomach and abnormal vision. to avoid long-term injury, seek immediate medical help for an erection lasting more than four hours. stop taking viagra and call your doctor right away if you experience a sudden decrease or loss in vision or hearing. ask your doctor about viagra.
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the day before the supreme court made marriage equality the law of the land the high court helped solidify health care in america by rejecting the affordable care act that would have up-ended the health care law and jeopardize coverage for millions of americans. in a 6-3 decision the court ruled that consumers qualify for a subsidy that lowers the cost of premiums regardless of whether they buy through federal
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or state exchanges. plaintiffs had argued that because the law says exchanges must be established by the state that 6.4 million people who bought insurance on federal exchanges should not receive subsidies. the court's ruling was the second time in three years the justices had upheld the president's signature legislation but this time the ruling was more robust. chief justice john roberts wrote in the court's majority opinion congress passed the affordable care act to improve health insurance markets not to destroy them. after the ruling was announced the president celebrated the historic win. >> five years ago after nearly a century of talk decades of trying, a year of bipartisan debate, we finally declared that in america health care is not a privilege for a few but a right for all. the affordable care act is here to stay. >> but some 2016 presidential hopefuls spoke out against the
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decision seemingly in agreement with justice scalia who in his dissent called the court's opinion interpretive potpourri. rand paul responded saying quote, this decision turns both the rule of law and common sense on its head. obamacare harms patients and is the wrong fit for america's health care system. ted cruz offered this in texas. >> for the second time in a few years a handful of unelected judges has rewritten the text of obamacare. in order to impose that failed law upon millions of americans. >> so while the supreme court's decision enshurns the affordable care act will survive, it's clear the political battle over the law will continue. back with me now professor of history and public affairs at princeton university and fellow at the new america foundation. and when i said the president celebrated, he celebrated. there was like chest bumping and elbow bumping and all kinds of
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enthusiasm and excitement. yeah we won. i sort of thought, and this at least helps to re-establish this for me that once you establish a bureaucracy that provides people with the good you really can't take it back. that's part of how our history works, isn't it? >> usually. usually once a program of this size is in place, it's not dismantled. there are examples big ones like reconstruction. >> yeah right, that one. >> and smaller ones like the medicare catastrophic program which was repealed. generally it does become harder and now the court has given it a legitimacy with this ruling that will make it very difficult for republicans to make a compelling case. they will do it. i think a lot of it now is purely symbolic. purely an effort to attack what the democrats are about. but as more people are gaining these benefits even if they say in polls i don't love it i think they're going to want it.
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>> they don't understand it. and because it has problems. >> sure. >> what i am thrilled about is that we arrive at a moment we can stop debating the existence of the affordable care act and stop making it work out. >> from the left as opposed from the right. >> and that's been one of the tragedies of the last five years. there's plenty of stuff we need to be focused on how this law is implemented to make it fair and equitable and an effective reform and we have not had an opportunity to talk about any of that. >> we're just holding the line on its existence. >> so it's time to turn that page. >> this will be a rallying call. here is why. this is in the same category as roe v. wade. elect me and i'll get conservatives. i'll approve security justices that will overturn it. we know it's not going to happen. what does happen is contributions go up the
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rallying call goes up. when you hear a lot of republicans on the campaign trail who say elect me and i'll appoint conservatives. remember, we have three supreme court justices that are towards the end of their life and so then the question -- >> i hope you're not counting ruth bader ginsburg. i'm sure she has another 25 30 years, sir. >> they had more yesterdays than tomorrows. >> except for ruth. >> there's a very good likelihood the next republican or democratic president will appoint up to three supreme court justices. >> but that said the supreme court stands even if there are new justices. is there any realistic reason to believe that even new justices would undo this ruling? >> no. i think the difference between this and roe versus wade it's statutory interpretation. the important thing, also about this ruling which i think has flown under some radars they
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also did something known as chevron deference and said we're not going to defer to interpretations of the statute according to a 1984 landmark decision. instead we are going to interpret this ourselves because this is of sufficient political import and the irs doesn't have particular expertise in the area. that means that its interpretation will not only stand but will be preserved from subsequent administrations. if the republicans win and they want the irs to issue new rulings, they're not going to be able to reinterpret the statue. >> that's critical but weakens ss in and of itself. >> it may. i think one of the things about both of the decisions, the gay marriage decision and this decision is that they both strengthen the power of the judiciary vis-a-vis the states -- >> that helps me understand how this alice down the rabbit hole
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are gonna end up getting shingles. i was one of 'em. so please go talk to your doctor or pharmacist. friday's supreme court decision guaranteeing the right to same-sex marriage was not only a victory for the lbgt community but the wedding industry. it seems policies can offer economic advantages. it all boils down to this weddings tend to cost a lot. according to the 2014 american wedding study conducted by "brides" magazine the average wedding costs $28,000. of course more than double depending inging on the setting. the big apple costs more than
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$75,000 and that amounts to well more than a year's salary for basically everybody, and a year in housing or the cost of college tuition. and what compels us to pay? some point in the industrial complex a $51 billion industry venues caterers the influence of tv. more than $2 billion people tune in to watch the which hadedding of kate middleton. later the kanye west photo broke instagram instagram. prince charles wed lady diana spencer in 1981. the wedding industry keeps cashing in. it is about to cash in even more. in the first three years of nationwide marriage equality spending could add almost $200 million in tax revenue and 13,000 jobs to state economies
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according to a report from the ucla's school of law. one year after new york state legalized equality an extra $259 million generated in spending within new york city alone. the question remains for all the couples, why do we invest so much in one big day? jennifer poser, executive director in media news associate professor at the university of and editor in chief of "brides" magazine. can i just say, i have loved weddings since 1981 when i woke up early to watch lady di and princess charles. i am a little obsessed with them in the sense that i really like -- i get why they are this fun -- i like all the different ones, the las vegas weddings and the big, fancy ones and i wonder why? what is it about them that is so compelling to so many of us? >> i think it's one of the few times in life you really know
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that you're starting a new chapter, it's such a milestone and it's really a celebration of two people who have found each other and decided they're going to spend the rest of their lives together, build a life and they want to spend it and celebrate it with all their friends and family who arguably probably had a lot to do with getting them where they are and in shaping who they are. it's always been a celebration to some extent and always been a cornerstone of our society. >> there's a part of me that thinks, yes, yes, yes. two people i really love, yes, and the ones i have gone to where i'm like yo this is crazy town. there is this much debt being accumulated for folks who are still at an early part of their lives and finding themselves financially. >> there's a difference between the legal institution of marriage and the public performance of a wedding. what is it we're investing in the public -- i didn't grow up with the same sense.
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i mean weddings are wonderful and beautiful to attend i didn't grow up thinking that was the ultimate goal or even that was something i needed. i have a different take on it i suppose. i do think both the financial debt that people get into and the big issue of the fairy tale romance is embedded -- particularly for girls -- seen as the bride's decisions, the bride's day. that's part of a wedding performance. interesting to see how it changes as you know gay couples and lesbian couples can get married whether it's the same spectacle or not. i do think it's deeply embedded in a patriarchal understanding of romance. >> came here from your brother's wedding? >> i came here from my brother's wedding. my brother got married yesterday. >> congratulations. >> yes. >> had a wedding. had a public performance. >> but then as a progressive, it's not a gay wedding today.
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according to rick santorum he's probably going to get divorced and marry a dog in the upcoming weeks. it was cool to hang out with friends and family. there definitely is that kind of archaic, creepy father hands the bride over to the groom but then i'm also there's free food so that's cool. >> and i get it. i get why that ritual can be archaic and creepy. i get there was a certain thing about my parents, both my mother and father standing there to witness when i married james right? here is my family of origin standing there, hey, me and james, there we are. and there's my kid, parker who you can see was highly enthusiastic about this moment. >> our family has been through so much. i like it as a celebration of sort of like all of us coming
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together to get them where they were. like you were saying i was just reading a great passage talking about -- the author was talking about how republicans are so afraid of same-sex marriage because the institution of heterosexual marriage is also very like this is the role of the woman -- >> so, jimump in. >> so fantastic that the supreme court did the right thing and everybody who wants to can get married now. marriage can be wonderful. the weddings themselves the perform tiff nature, incredibly hyper consumptive. we were spending $80 billion, everything from registering furniture to destination weddings to rings and dresses and all of this. you can spend $100,000 to get
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married in the cinderella princess pavilion at disneyworld and also rent dancing princesses and princes and getting a wedding dress that's a disney princess wedding dress. >> so stick on that because i want to come back to that. particular the ariel and the principleess and the virginal adolescent girl as bride. all that have when we come back. this moment is perfect in every way.
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show we rarely discuss in the fantasy suite but current bachelorette isn't playing by the rules. the most recent episode she deemed herself a makeout bandit. a lot of people had a lot to say about it. many were quick to call her a whore or gross, embarrassing while others praise bristow's modern approach to relationships. after being confronted she gave her perspective. >> to me intimacy is an important part of a relationship and i'm not afraid to say that. i don't care what people say or think. like, to me that's important. it may not be that important to other people but this is forever and this is a marriage and part of that is intimacy. >> she isn't the first woman to be shamed for her sexuality. she surely won't be the last. in this day and age why are we
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still attached to the myth behind the big white dress? >> i sadly have had to transcribe and watch every episode of the bachelor and bachelorette from 2002 to 2010 and i watched this season too. this is not the first time women have been shamed not only on "the bachelor" but its star from the first season of "the bachelorette" they had chris harrison sit down and have tristen to explain i'm not a tramp because i kissed a lot of guys i may marry. it's built into the show to -- while on "the bachelor" the implicit and sometimes explicit encouragement is they should bone as many bachelorettes as they can. >> i'm actually all for spend what you can afford to do whatever you want to do. i don't have any spending shaming for people on their
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weddings. but i do worry about the ways that there is this kind of like presumptive -- not just being a princess but the virginal princess which is the requirement for having the happy marriage. >> yeah. i guess it's ironic and full of illusions at this point so the fact had a she had sex with one of the men on the show as part of her courting is basically how so many of us have probably engaged in many relationships. it's so normal and natural at this point so the fact that it's still part of a discourse of slut shaming or she has to justify it this week in particular where we're having such important definitions of what gender roles can be i think is ludicrous and offensive to women across -- >> and it's part of the regressive nature of what reality tv tells us that romance is and what gender roles are supposed to be. >> so can we have weddings? my mother was married? an orange mohair dress at the
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hitching post. i think of it as a lovely romantic story. it is like high-fiving at the courthouse. i do worry -- my daughter is 13 and loves your magazine. she looks at the pictures and i try to encourage her to think about it as an industry not a personal industry. if you love weddings go work in it rather than think about how you can get married. but i do worry about what that might be doing to her little baby fledgling feminist brain, i want her to enjoy and love all the beauty and love and excitement and romance but also to have a critique. is there a way to hold them together? >> yes. i think it's important to remember that long gone are the days where the bride's parents paid for the whole wedding or passing their daughter from their house to their husband's house. it's much different now. more than 40% of couples pay for their wedding themselves and it's really about two people coming together and deciding that they want to spend the rest
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of their lives together. i also think when we talk about it as this industry it is not a faceless corporation out there. nine times out of ten when you're dealing with someone in the wedding industry and we're talking 800,000 people who work in this industry in this country, a lot of jobs and most of those people are sole proprietors, entrepreneurs. >> if i go to a florist and say i need a dozen roses, they won't charge me if i say i need it for my wedding. that's one of the things we've demonstrated that key word wedding will jack up the price. >> it does trigger something with some vendors. >> not every single one. >> there's a lot more that goes into it. it's a celebration and they are dealing with a client with a bride and groom for months it's not that they're just buying for valentine's day and you'll never see them again. you're dealing with them for a long time and there's a cost with that. >> we have only just begun this conversation.
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i could go on. i have so many feelings about this. it's june. it's wedding season. that to be said thanks to jen, jamie and takia, lots to think about here. up next, the american revolutionary. born on this day 100 years ago. amazing grace, indeed. (glasses clinking) ♪ (ground shaking) well there goes the country club. the 2015 dodge durango. now with available beats audio. ugh! heartburn! no one burns on my watch! try alka-seltzer heartburn reliefchews. they work fast and don't taste chalky. mmm...amazing.
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on this day in 1915, a revolutionary was born. grace lee boggs, philosopher, writer and activist has been engaged with some of the most impactful u.s. social movements of the last century. workers rights civil rights black power, women's right, environmental justice. where there is inequality where there are people struggling to have their voices heard, you will find grace lee boggs. the daughter of chinese immigrants earned a ph.d. in philosophy in 1940 and made defining our common humanity her life's work.
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one of her earliest influences was labor leader a phillip randolph who in 1941 helped win hiring contracts at defense plans for african-american workers in 1942. after marrying black power advocate and labor activist james boggs in 1953, grace moved to detroit, the city she called home for more than 50 years and the place where she continues to have the biggest impact. she and her husband helped to secure rights for african-american autoworkers during the turbulent 1960s, prompting some critics to accuse them of instigating the 1967 ray yot in detroit. when crime ravaged the city in the 1980s and 1990s, grace organized rallies against drug dealers. she's written books, been the subject of documentaries like the film "american revolutionary" and inspired generations of activists. along the way, she keeps pushing
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us all to rethink what we mean by "revolution." just as she did when she visited here in 2013. >> people think of revolution only in terms of 1917 and taking power and all that hostility and it isn't. it's a very healing solutionary process. >> now age may have slowed her down just a bit, but grace is still very much a revolutionary at work. today in her honor the grace lee boggs center is taking part in an anti-violence march in detroit and the organizers are urging those who can't make it to detroit to donate 100 minutes plus one to community building. a fitting 100th birthday president for the eternal activist, the amazing grace, born on this day, june 27 1915. that's our show for today. thanks at home for watching, see you tomorrow morning at 10:00a.m. eastern.
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right now, time for a preview of weekends with alex witt. hi alex. >> that was awesome. a hundred years and still going on. i love that. thank you so much mhp, for that. alone and on the run, a new push to find escaped killer david swett after his fellow inmate was shot and killed by police. on the lookout, law enforcement on alert ahead of the july 4 holiday as isis encourages followers around the globe to strike -- not applying to that video. this is getting the go-ahead and getting married. you're hear from same-sex couples who found out 24 hours ago they can tie the knot anywhere in the u.s. plus, the watcher. a haunting story about a family scared out of their million-dollar home by a stalker. don't go anywhere we'll be right back and we'll get those videos sorted out, i promise.
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[ gunshots ] nightmare at the beach. one of three terror attacks overseas that left dozens dead. and today there are new warnings about a potential attack in the u.s. over the holiday. the fight over the confederate flag takes a new turn as supporters rally for it at this hour activists take matters into their own hands. in today's tech trends. the summer learning gap. new technology that prevents vacation brain drain. hey there, welcome to "weekends with alex witt." new developments in the search for two prison escapees in upstate new york. one of them; richard matt was shot to death near malone new york.

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