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american express' timeless safety and security are now available on apple pay. the next evolution of membership is here. the next fight, religious freedom. all right. good morning, thanks for getting up with us this sunday morning. the supreme court decision to make same-sex marriage the law of the land across the country has put republicans in a tough situation. where do they go from here. more on that in just a moment. also ahead this morning, some are calling this past week the best week of barack obama's presidency. we'll be taking a closer look at that this morning. plus chris christie poised to officially jump into the
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race, just two days from now. has he already ruined his chances? we begin this morning with the latest on the manhunt for the escaped prisoner and convicted killer david sweat, is it has expanded widely over the weekend, this after police thought they had sweat penned into a relatively small area. sweat and his fellow convicted killer richard matt escaped from a maximum security facility in upstate new york more than three weeks ago now. federal agents shot and killed matt on friday near malone new york. that's about 30 miles from the prison. that's 14 miles south of the canadian border. msnbc's chris pallone joins us live from malone. chris, we were talking to you yesterday morning. it sounded like then authorities were confident there is a really small area felt like they were going to find him soon. now maybe the thinking is he's not in that small area. >> reporter: yeah as we said yesterday, steve you know state police believe that he is
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in this 22-square-mile area in the forest south of malone new york. they say they have good reason to believe that. but they have no proof of that. so overnight what we saw was pretty much a maintaining of the status quo. there are more than 1,000 officers from different state, federal and local agencies working this search. they have been maintaining a perimeter around that 22-square-mile area. that's what we saw overnight. they continued to use huge flood lights, which they used to light up the entire area trying to make sure that if sweat is indeed inside that perimeter, that he isn't able to get out of there today. now if searching is going to be tough today. there is a ton of rain coming to this area as you can tell right now. it is pouring down rain in the low 50s. conditions will be tough not only for the searchers, but also for sweat as well. this is hypothermia inducing weather if he doesn't have some sort of shelter with temperatures in the low 50s and up to 2 to 3 inches of rain forecast for today.
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this is day 23 of the search and a local forecaster for our nbc affiliate here today said this morning that out of the 23 days it has actually rained 16 days as part of -- during this search. different parts of this search. so it's certainly been a tough, tough slog for all the searchers looking for sweat at this point. you know their guess at this point is as good as anyone's whether he's still in that perimeter. they have reason to believe he is. >> chris pollone, i can see the rain. stay warm. we'll bring you the latest as we learn what is going on up there in those woods. but for now, we're going to turn to the fallout from that historic supreme court decision on friday that has legalized gay marriage across the country. now the question of what's next for both sides. gay rights activists are already vowing to build on their victory and to push for more. >> and we know that with today's
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decision the momentum will continue to ensure that we can have equality in many areas of our lives. >> their first goal after winning on marriage winning enactment of a federal ban on employment discrimination against gays. the employment nondiscrimination act, introduced almost every year in congress for two decades now. it would make discrimination in the workplace based on sexual orientation or gender identity illegal. civil rights leaders saying friday, quote, in dozens of states, a couple can marry in the morning, announce their union in the afternoon, yet lose their jobs or be evicted from their apartment by day's end. congress must act to fully realize the promise of today's ruling by introducing and passing legislation to finally provide comprehensive, federal, nondiscrimination protections to lgbt americans. so that is where gay rights supporters are turning their
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focus now. what about opponents? every republican presidential candidate has now spoken out against friday's ruling though they have presented two very different visions on how to continue their fight. wisconsin governor scott walker calling for the most dramatic step, a constitutional amendment, to overturn the decision, saying he would, quote, reaffirm the ability of the state to continue to define marriage. marco rubio and lindsey graham stopping short of that instead arguing for religious freedom protections for those who are morally opposed to gay marriage. lindsay graham specifically warning against a constitutional amendment, saying quote, rather than a divisive effort doomed to fail i have the religious protection of all americans. jeb bush saying no making the case for religious freedom carveouts for a religious show on friday. >> i think what we need to do is strive to make sure that
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religious freedom and conscience is protected, and also have a society that is just and loving that doesn't discriminate. i think we're big enough as a country to make sure that we have -- we respect people in long-term, loving relationships, and we allow people to act on their religious faith. >> all right. we're joined now by congressman sean patrick maloney, first openly gay member of congress elected in new york. also joined by today's panel, white house reporter for buzz feed eleanor clift, washington correspondent for the daily beast, and robert george editorial writer with the "new york post." start with you, congressman. so based on the sort of which side of the aisle you're on on the gay marriage question looks like different paths forward. in terms of supporters of gay marriage, gay rights now it sounds like this issue of employment discrimination is the next front in this battle. what is it specifically you're looking for there? >> that's absolutely right. it's outrageous people can still be discriminated against in the workplace where you have of a
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constitutionally protected right to both intimacy and now to civil marriage. so we have some catching up to do in the congress. the court has clearly moved into the forefront on this, that's good. the private sector has been there, particularly in this city and metropolitan areas. congress needs to get its act together and we need to just get with the simple program that all americans should be equal under the law, whether they're at work or going to a restaurant or trying to rent an apartment or under the institution of civil marriage. that's basic. >> so we say it's been basically two decades now this has been introduced every year. it never gets through. what is holding that up when you look at the incredible strides in terms of public opinion on gay marriage. the country can move that far, that quickly, that dramatically on that issue, and yet the question of job discrimination is still unresolved in congress. what has been holding it up? >> well, the guys in the big chair. the fact of the matter is if democrats were controlled this would be law today.
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it's a fair point to say we should have done it before. where we are now, there is broad, bipartisan support for employment nondiscrimination. the speaker should move the bill. >> robert do you think republicans would be ready to sign off on that now? >> given the way the ground has changed, possibly. it's unlikely, but it is possible. but the point is though i mean, the first two years of the obama presidency democrats were controlling everything and it didn't even get through then. so it's not just -- it's not just republicans that are holding this up. it was just seen as one of those kind of issues that the time never seemed to be right. the time may be right now. >> put a couple numbers up here. again, this was pulling right before the supreme court ruling this week. 57% of americans visited a pew research number 57% support gay marriage. maybe it will go up after that. we'll see. you look within the republican party, red america basically
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58% say they were against this. they are against gay marriage. this from an nbc poll just taken this month. and so eleanor and evan it's that whole two america's question going forward. overall, there is majority support for gay marriage. probably majority support for a ban on workplace discrimination. in one of the two major parties, the one that controls the house, i don't think there's majority support at this point. >> first of all, i don't know that there has been particular energy behind -- on either the right or left behind this legislation. i think, you know ask most people around the country what end is they don't really know what it is. i wonder where the business community is. because i think the business community has lobebyied against this. the republican party do represent the small business and f.i.b., if we're going to throw around acronyms. they don't like regulations. they see this as another regulation and i think the republican party is fighting on those grounds and the democratic party has not found the passion
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for this legislation yet. i think we're in a new age now, in a new world. and i think the congressman is correct that democrats and activists are now going to pick this up as a real cause. >> it is striking though the two very different responses from the two parties here where on one side they're saying let's push forward and get more. on the republican side torn between do we fight this all out, fight gay marriage all out with a constitutional amendment or settle for this idea of religious freedom, basically saying fine gay marriage is the law of the land. now let's let the people who don't want anything to do with this not have anything to do with it. >> this defines a modern gop so well. a guy like jeb bush is trying to thread the needle here like i'm for religious freedom laws but don't want to do this amendment thing. meanwhile in the house, right, even if there is a thought of doing enda or things that the house is full of gerrymander districts. even though there is a conversation happening in that party, you can can see the
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statements -- even scott walker is saying he wants to let the states decide. that's different than saying ban gay marriage outright which they talked about before. so we have seen a shift from that party. they're having a difficult time -- >> i want to put this one up. this was mike huckabee who is calling the court completely out of control here. the mike huckabee who could win the iowa caucus. he says we're called upon not to be the thermometers that reflect a temperature in the culture. we're called upon to be thermostats which can read the temperature and adjust it. there is going to be pressure at least from huckabee and probably others like that from within the republican party to continue to oppose this thing all out. congressman, i want to ask you about religious freedom and protection. ultimately, what they're trying -- what they're essentially saying here is people should be able to opt out. people who are -- you own the bakery and the gay couple comes in and want the cake you should be able to say if you own that bakery and you're a christian opposed to gay marriage you know what i'm just not
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comfortable with that i don't want to have to do that. how much room in america is there for that kind of opting out? >> well of course we've been down this road many times. with issues of religion or race. if you're engaged in public accommodation, if you're a business serving the general public, we don't allow you to say i don't serve jews black people. and it's not a defense to say it's your closely held religious belief. so we take this issue seriously. look, my partner and i have been together for 23 years. we got married one year ago this week. we have three children together. we were married in church. i was raised in the church. that's an important part of who we are. the notion that gay people don't have an intense regard for religious spirituality and faith i think is mistaken. and i will tell you, we take very seriously the distinction between civil marriage which is what we're talking about in this decision, and what people believe in their churches. no one has to marry anybody in their church. no one believes anything differently in their faith. that's their right under the first amendment. if you're selling cake or
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selling pizza, then we do say we are going to enforce certain nondiscrimination laws in this country and do it in areas of religion and race. and it's just the same issue. >> i have still yet to be at a wedding where they serve pizza, but i'm looking forward to going. >> it wouldn't be a gay wedding. >> congressman sean patrick, thank you for joining us. appreciate that. still ahead, the supreme court's other major decision this week on obamacare. will the ruling force republicans to finally drop that issue, or does the decision just open up a whole new can of worms? but first, chris christie announcing an announcement on tuesday. is a presidential run finally in the cards? stay with us. >> either way, i have to make an announcement, right? there has been enough speculation about this since the fall of 2010. we're talking nearly five years now. that whatever i decide as of 2016 i'll need to let everybody know. it's not like i'm going to come out my front door and whisper
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chris christie the outspoken new jersey governor, who was the talk of the party, the talk of the whole political world in 2011 and 2012 launching the new website yesterday. chris christie reads "telling it like it is," just like howard co sell, i guess. paid for by chris christie with president. yes, it is true. christie is scheduling an announcement for this coming tuesday at his high school alma mater in new jersey. and if that paid-for notice is the case and is indeed running for president, christie can expect to see a much different it landscape than the one laid out for him just a couple years ago. ♪ >> imagine a world where this -- new jersey chris christie won re-election in a landslide,
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setting the stage for a possible run for president in 2016. wasn't immediately followed by this. >> newly obtained e-mails for the first time link new jersey governor, chris christie's office to lane closures on the george washington bridge last fall. it reads, "time for some traffic problems in ft. lee." >> it's hard to imagine now, but before there was bridge gate if there was one candidate who looked like he could win back the white house for republicans in 2016 it was chris christie. he had all the ingredients. he had shown real bipartisan leadership during hurricane sandy. >> i want to thank the president. we spent a significant afternoon together. >> he was popular. a republican winning re-election in a blue state with more than 60% of the vote and showing rare strength in national polls with independents, even democrats. here was the candidate who could unite the republican party, electability that appeals to the establishment and a fiery-style mead for the tea party.
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>> you want to have a conversation later, i'm happy to have it buddy. but until that time sit down and shut up. >> but then the bridge. the mysterious lane closures at the george washington bridge. the bombshell e-mails. the federal investigation. the indictments. christie is adamant, he had nothing to do with it. but the cloud hangs over him. his poll numbers are way down. he's far back in the gop pack. and now others are in position to play the role that christie wanted to play himself. >> i know we can fix this. because i've done it. >> and chris christie is set to enter the race for president this week not as his party savior, but as one of the longest shots on the board. and all because of a traffic jam. >> all right. let's bring in nbc news senior political editor, mark murray. your panel still with us here. mark, i know a lot of people say chris christie was always destined to have problems with
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the conservative base and the republican party. if you ran for president. but i've got to tell you, i honestly think if it hadn't been for bridge gate he would be the front runner now and i'm not sure there would be a jeb bush in the race. what do you think? >> that's a good point worth noting. there are two ways to actually end up winning the republican presidential primary or getting republicans on your side. the one path is saying i'm with you on all the conservative issues, vote with me. that's a path someone like scott walker is taking on the republican side when it comes to things like immigration. the chris christie path is i'm the electable person. i'm the person who can beat hillary clinton. i can beat the democrats. steve, it's worth noting that in 2013 after the republicans drubbing in the 2012 elections, chris christie ended up addressing the national committee behind closed doors and said look we just need to win, baby. that's the most important thing. but as your piece noted, the bridge-gate scandal and credit down grades in the state, his own approval rating starting to
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sink made the situation where when you look at the polling out there, hillary clinton versus other republicans in the race chris christie is no longer the person who seems as the electable republican. and so when you are not with him on all of the issues, and, be again, chris christie is someone who expanded medicaid stood with president obama after hurricane sandy, when you're not with him on 100% of the issues you better be the electable person. and now he's neither in that situation right now. >> let me bring the panel in here. what do you guys make of this? chris christie gets in this race. there are a gazillion other republicans out there. right now it looks like he could make the top ten cut. would get that chance. we have seen this before where chris christie, you know in television interviews confrontations with hecklers whatever, is prone to have these outbursts. is there a scenario you could see where chris christie gets on that debate stage and just makes everybody forget all of this with one of those christie moments. >> of course. we saw that happen a number of times in 2012. newt gingrich right? a guy with tons of baggage, tons
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of problems being elected by general public, would get on these debate stages and just shell ack mitt romney and everybody else. >> you asked about an open marriage and he managed to turn that into a -- >> chris christie, you know this is his brand. and i think he will have forgotten that part of his brand because of the down side of that brand, this tough guy thing has ups and downs. but the main focus of him sort of doing that thing, sit down and shut up -- people loved that before, why wouldn't they love it now. >> there is nobody else like him in american politics. and he's a memorable figure. but on the debate stage, he's going to have to compete with donald trump. and that's the other person who is going to go for the big show. >> i've got to tell you, i have heard from people sort of in christie's orbit that specifically, he wants to be on the debate stage with donald trump. i think they think that he can can be the guy who shuts down trump. >> well now, that's possible. in which case he would be doing
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a service to every other candidate, though there. however, i'm going to make the case that even without bridge-gate, chris christie would be no more than maybe the sixth or seventh option in the field right now. because remember he fell out of favor with the base during the sandy moment. he was then the keynote -- he was the keynote speaker at the republican convention. and he gave a really not well-received address. people felt he was talking more about himself rather than he was talking about mitt romney. so the flavor -- the thing that had made him really special with the tea party had already fallen out well before bridge-gate. and then when you take a look at what the field could have looked like, even apart from christie it could have been you know romney could have been in there, jeb bush in there, scott walker in there. all of these people who overlap with christie in terms of being
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governors who have actually gotten things done and can also resonate with the base and would not have been tainted by either sandy or any of these other things. i think christie looked good in 2012 because of how poor the republican field was then. now you've got to really -- >> yeah. >> his specialness is one thing. i can bring new jersey into the republican column. that was the one thing. i think they could forgive him if it looked like he could bring blue new jersey. >> mark quickly here. what is the best case scenario in this campaign for christie? do you think he has an actually shot to win it? >> the best case scenario he is a performer, he is able to have great town halls, great debate performances and able to catch lightning in a bottle. but steve, our own nbc "wall street journal" poll shows just 55% of republicans say they could see themselves supporting him. that's the highest bad number in our poll next to donald trump. and so i think that just shows
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the low ceiling he has, even if he catches fire at the debates. >> all right. mark murray from nbc news appreciate you taking a few minutes this morning. still ahead, they have vowed, they have tried to repeal it many times. but will republicans change their strategy on obamacare in the wake of the latest supreme court ruling to keep the law alive? and next will the momentum to expunge the south of the confederate flag actually endure?
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in columbia to remove the confederate flag. the flag was re-raised an hour later. todd rutherford now says he will serve as the woman's lawyer when her case goes to trial next month. yesterday also brought a pro confederate flag rally if he state capitol, but appears to be losing support from elected officials across the south. >> mississippi's republican house speaker announced he supports changing his state's flag. >> governor terry mcauliffe will begin stripping the flag off virginia license plates. maryland's governor is also against the flag on maryland license plates. >> alabama's governor ordered confederate flags be be taken down today from statehouse grounds. >> tennessee itself republican governor wants this bust taken out of the tennessee state capitol. >> walmart, the first to
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announce on monday, it will stop selling any merchandise involving the flag. since then, amazon target sears, and ebay all announced they too will take confederate flag items off their shelves. despite growing opposition, it still flies near the south carolina statehouse when the pastor and state representative lay in state inside the rotunda of the capitol building. the panel is back with me to talk about this. we should say, obviously, nikki haley, governor of south carolina right now, is trying to convince the governor and getting public support from republicans in the legislature to take the flag down permanently. we'll see what happens there. and this has been -- i wanted to talk about this a little bit this morning. it's been really fascinate to go me to watch this issue. i can remember 15, 20 years ago, this started to come to a head in south carolina. the idea of should you take it down from the roof and move it to a separate place in the
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capitol. they couldn't get rid of it then they couldn't get rid of it five years ago, 30 years ago. never in the 55 years this thing has been flying could anything budge political will on this, and now all of a sudden it may be coming down in south carolina. it's coming down in a whole host of other places. this tragedy has really changed something. >> well it was a real issue in the 2000 south carolina primary between george w. bush and john mccain. and john mccain basically supported the flag being there. and after he lost that primary, didn't get the nomination he apologized for taking the political route, and saying the flag should come down. why republicans now felt compelled to jump on this bandwagon i think has to do with the nature of the shooting in charleston that it was a -- it was a black church. and, you know it brings back memories of the birmingham -- the bombing of the four little girls. and i think people genuinely do want to do something about it. and i think it did hit home for
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conservatives, republicans, southerners that hey, yes, this is a symbol of southern pride, but it's been used since 1962 as a symbol of resistance to integration. and it's been abused and i think it's kind of in some ways an easy symbol to go after. you don't have to look at guns. you don't have to look at other, you know deeper aspects of institutional racism but it may have opened the door finally, to some more substantive discussions about the inequality that continues in america. >> i was struck in nikki haley's speech on monday where she linked the horrifying charleston shooting with how south carolina has progressed and the things -- one of the things she pointed to was how the state reacted after the shooting of walter scott. and they had -- when the cell phone images came showing the
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police officers shot this black man in the back and then tried to -- and then tried to cover it up. and she said, we became the first state to say that all of our police officers have to have body cameras. and she used -- she connected those two things to pivot to showing how south carolina is moving into the future and the confederate flag is this image from its troublesome past, and that's why it has to come down. i thought it was a very effective rhetorical device. and on top of that having that biracial, bipartisan group surrounding her, showing the new south carolina. and yeah it was -- it's absolutely horrifying that it took -- this racist terrorist murder of nine citizens to make this movement. but it's really steam rolling throughout the south. >> at the level of elected officials and political leaders, i should say at the same time there was quite a few sort of -- especially on the right this
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week you know pundit types, rush limbaugh types, saying this is an absolute offense, the idea of this flag being taken down. they think it should still be flying proudly. also this is the "washington post" when they visited rural south carolina, away from the political center of south carolina, they found in this part of rural south carolina seemingly far away from the prying eyes of a shocked world, those seeking out new confederate items said they will not be silent as the state and federal government continue to wage a war on southern heritage and history. and so reporting that there are confederate items flying off the shelves. there is still a constituency out there potentially attached to this flag. >> that's right. but hendersonville tennessee, a suburb of nashville. after haslem called for the statue to come down there was a small rally in favor of the confederate flag and the next day a huge rally against the confederate flag from people who -- a woman i interviewed had a direct connection.
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the south is very different. the guys who took the flag off the south carolina capitol new which way the winds were blowing. that's why they put a two-thirds majority requirement in to get the flag down. haylee can't take it down. they have to have a two-thirds majority vote. these guys knew they were sort of running out of steam on this stuff. the problem is it took this horrible tragedy for the gop to have this internal discussion they have been trying to avoid i think for a long time. it just became too uncomfortable to stand next to guys at the confederate flag. >> there's this incredible irony, it's the party of lincoln, politicians in the south, the party of lincoln, having a debate over the confederate flag coming -- coming down. i mean n terms of how the parties have flipped over the decades. this was the -- you know the democratic symbol. i mean the democratic party symbol in the civil war. >> well -- >> a lot of southern democrats
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also were happy to have the confederate flag fly rather than have that argument. >> it wasn't just southern democrats. i remember howard dean running for president in 2004 saying i wanted to be the candidate of guys with confederate flags. he was talking about a certain type of democrats. >> webb is sympathic to people who want to display the confederate flag and his selling point as a presidential candidate on the democratic side he can relate to white working class people. and so, you know if you start to equate this symbol with a portion of the vote in america, you can see how tricky it is for politicians. you don't want to insult them. maybe it's a teachable moment about the civil war. robert e. lee is celebrated in many ways. went to west point and all that. but he was a traitor. you can -- >> it's not about race. >> it's more than 150 years later, too, and i'm still seeing
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arguments out there about was the civil war about slavery. it's amazing we're still in 2015 having that conversation. still ahead, it's been a week for the record books including for president obama. not everyone is celebrating. will republicans be giving up their long fight against obamacare. that question is next. and later the art of dealing with donald trump. what will it be like to have him on the debate stage? what is the strategy for the candidates who have to be up there with him? how do they handle him? that is ahead. stay with us. benny right away. i just had to adopt him. he's older so he needs my help all day. when my back pain flared up we both felt it i took tylenol at first but i had to take 6 pills to get through the day. then my friend said "try aleve". just two pills, all day. and now, i'm back for my best bud! aleve. all day strong and try aleve pm now with an easy open cap.
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undermine, probably doom the health care law if it had succeeded. even the very phrase obamacare has been a central piece of the five-year fight over the legislation. opponents hoping to saddle the president with the label, one he appears to wear proudly. do they finally accept obamacare and what happens if a republican manages to move into the white house when president obama departs? nbc news senior political reporter peri baka jr. wrote about this earlier in the week. perry, there have been -- we have documented, i don't know, 40, 50 60 70 repeal votes by republicans in the house. they now control the senate. let's play this out now. the supreme court basically upholds obamacare now. it is safe through the obama presidency. what if a republican president gets elected in 2016? has that majority in the house, has that majority in the senate can pass anything they want. is this a republican party right now that would still repeal obamacare? >> i think it depends on what the phrase repeal means.
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i think realistically -- >> go ahead. >> i think you're going to get rid of the -- the law now covers 10 to 12 million people. you're not going to get rid of the law completely. what you can see happening is some -- the way i heard this is reconciliation. if you have 51 republican senators a house majority of republicans and republican president, you can use that to change the law. and you can call it anything you want to repeal. ultimately, what i think you might see is a republican president might make a few changes to tweak the law, you know limits medicaid a little bit, changes the exchanges some. they call it a repeal and then sign it. the notion they're going to get rid of the whole law i think is over. but i do think there is a possibility of changing the law and you can call -- you can call it repeal whatever you want to. i think the law is not necessarily going to stay the way it is totally. but the idea we're going to get rid of this whole expansion of health insurance i think is over. the republicans are accepting. they have to go with their own health care plan that covers 10
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or 15 million people in some way. you heard jeb bush say we've got to focus on our replacement plan. i think that's where things are head. >> as robert george reminded me my stupid attempt at humor fell flat in part because depends what the meaning of the word is bill clinton, not john kerry. what you're saying is interesting too, because it strikes me the words from republicans for the last five years has been repeal and replace. and in the five years since this law was first enacted, we have never really seen that sort of con census republican replacement plan. >> exactly. they have always talked about repeal and replace. you have only heard the repeal details. even this week you saw all of the candidates immediately said i'm still committed to repealing obamacare. you saw in the days before the ruling, in fact that people kept asking, what is the republican plan? what is the republican plan? and they really didn't have one. and i think now it becomes even more important if you're a scott
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walker or marco rubio or jeb bush. if you're going to promise to repeal obamacare, whatever you think that means, you then actually have a detailed plan for replacement, because that's where we are now, i think. other key thing to watch is obamacare, while being law, is still -- you have these 21 states. basically, the entire cell is not expanding medicaid. that's a huge part of the law. and that's another place where they can still keep resisting obamacare. and up to now, i have not seen a lot of evidence like thinking about texas and florida having a huge number of uninsured people in those states who will be eligible for medicaid if they took the federal funds. and that's what i'm going to watch over this next year or so is, now that the heat on this law has gone down some can abbott or rick scott in florida sort of quietly accept those medicaid funds. and that's a big discussion as well. >> he's all over the finessing, nuance, trying to accept some framework without actually saying you're accepting it. maybe that's one of the stories
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all right. there's a lot going on this morning. let's get caught up with some of the other headlines making news with today's panel. buzz feed's evan mcmorris san tara eleanor clift and robert george. let's pull out the first
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headline from the "new york post." al gore says it's too early to back hillary clinton. gordy client to back clinton for president. he was asked about this in france. he said i wouldn't refuse to answer that question. i would try to cleverly dodge the question. i would say it's actually too early. >> al gore bernie menstadium. imagine there would be a time al gore would be an important voice to have endorsing somebody. his star has fallen i feel like, in politics period. >> there was a moment about five, six years ago, i think, when al gore and climate change had this great comeback and everything from -- >> right. and you would think, if the -- if something went wrong with the hillary campaign that he is this sort of spare presidential candidate, the democratic party. i don't think anybody would turn to him. the fact that he's not going to say nicer things about hillary clinton at this point has to do with the hinge lingering resentment he has towards the
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clintons and bill clinton in particular for messing up his own chances. and a lot of democrats would say al gore messed up chances in the fall campaign. >> that sort of puts gore in the bill de blasio kind of camp who don't want -- even though they've got this past with the clinton world, they don't want to jump in and support hillary, which says something about them but also does say something about hillary, as well. and, she's got the name, and she's got the money and things like that but she's not bill clinton. >> she does continue to lead by 50 points. >> not in new hampshire. >> all three of these guys have their careers -- like closely linked with hillary clinton. o'malley endorsed the heck out of her in 2008. de blasio managed her campaign and al gore -- >> it's more about them than hillary.
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>> those who know her best. >> let's take a look. you guys have a few endorsements. let's take a look at the "usa today." kendall jenner has the most liked instagram photo ever. she posted this photo five weeks ago. it now has 2.5 million likes. she bested her older sister kim kardashian who previously held the record for most instagram likes. i looked at my own instagram feed. i took this great picture of a can of beer on the beach. how many likes it that get? 12. >> i like it. >> go find my instagram page and like that photo. let's catch kendall jenner. >> something we know that's the closest steve will ever get to the beach because of the shark attacks. >> i'm scared of shark attacks. so we read the news report. officials say it's -- oh still safe to go in the water. only seven attacks? oh go ahead, use caution.
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i'm careful, i'm watching. if the charcot owe please. is it ever worth it for a swim? >> put in a can of beer. maybe they'll take beer instead. >> can we move the kardashians and jenners into the water and lead them to the sharks? >> oh. >> that's a mean spirit. >> is that being unfair to the sharks? >> speaking of mean spirit here's another headline. nbc deformed mutt quasi moto crowned world's ugliest dog. this is the winner of the -- i guess the 27th annual world's ugliest dog contest held in sonoma county california. take a look at him there. a 10-year-old pitbull dutch shepard mix. we were talking about this in the break. i've got to tell you -- >> wait a minute. >> that's unfortunate. >> you watch the real dog shows every year the westminster kennel club -- >> wow.
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>> i don't think the dogs in the westminster kennel show or whatever -- they're bred to be -- they kind of look like a little freakish sometimes. >> i think more shelter dogs should be adopted and less breeding of these super show dogs. >> this dog has this spinal defect that it was born with. so it's sympathetic. and i feel kind of weird that you know we're turning these -- i mean kind of a -- an animal that's had a tough life you know and then celebrityizing it. >> it's a pitbull. and pitbulls have gotten an unfair reputation. if they're raised to like people, they're not going to attack -- >> they're no sharks. >> they're no sharks. >> i like the dog mix more. >> dogs you know they have owners that love them. coming up obama secures his
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a week for the history books. all right. thanks for staying with us this sunday morning. lots more ahead as we continue this hour including the question of whether this was the best week ever of the obama presidency. we're going to tackle its impact on his legacy just a moment from now. also ahead, what will donald trump be like in the debates. what should candidates do when up on the stage with him. plus, the celebrations for friday's same-sex marriage ruling from the supreme court continue today. we'll take you to the biggest celebration, new york's annual pride parade. we begin this hour with president obama's landmark week. today after more than 50
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votes in congress to repeal or weaken this law, after a presidential election based in part on preserving or repealing this law, after multiple challenges to this law before the supreme court, the affordable care act is here to stay. >> a huge win at the supreme court this week for obama, the affordable care act surviving a republican-backed lawsuit that could have gutted subsidies for millions of americans and sent the health insurance market into a tailspin. instead, though the high court leaving president obama's biggest achievement untouched. president also scored another major breakthrough in a dramatic turn about another priority of his presidency. a massive 12-nation trade deal the transpacific partnership, the tpp. by working across the aisle with republicans for one of the first time's in his presidency, finalized that deal. congress will decide whether to accept it.
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we'll have more on that issue later this hour. the white house also triumphant on the big win when it came to marriage equality a priority obama and the democratic party embraced late in his first term. so all in all, a remarkable turn of events for the obama presidency. not so long ago, it felt like he hit the second-term blues, lame duck status seemed to be on the horizon. republicans taking over the senate, absolute paralysis in washington. the president seemed to be relegated to taking executive action, and those actions have since gotten snarled up in the courts. but obama was back in the rose garden this week celebrating a sudden string of big accomplishments. >> that's when america soars, when we look out for one another. that's why we do what we do. that's the whole point of public service. so this was a good day for america.
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let's get back to work. >> all right. nbc news' white house correspondent kristen welker joins us. what is the sense when you talk to people in the white house right now? do they feel they have gotten new momentum for the rest of the second term out of this week? >> reporter: steve, they do. senior administration officials believe this was president obama's best week in office. this was a legacy defining week. key priorities upheld and defended. one of the fascinating aspects this is a president who was locked in bitter battles with republicans since taking office and it was republicans who helped him secure some of these victories. that bipartisan deal for fast track authority to get the trade deal done it was chief justice john roberts who is a bush appointee who helped to uphold obamacare. so that's really one of the interesting things about all of these victories that we are seeing steve. more broadly, though this really moves the conversation, i think, further to the left in
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2016. this is a more progressive agenda and something that 2016 candidates are going to have to contend with. and that could create some new challenges particularly for republicans. when you take the issue same-sex marriage, for example. republicans coming out, unified in their opposition to it. but you have the more moderate candidates like chris christie who we think is going to announce on tuesday. jeb bush. saying, look they oppose the supreme court's decision but let's move on to other topics essentially. very different tone from more conservative candidates from mike huckabee, ted cruz who indicated they actually want to take on the supreme court. they want to see some type of constitutional amendment. that is something that rallies the base in a primary. it gets trickier in a general election, when you have the majority of americans who say they support same-sex marriage. so that's really going to set the backdrop heading into 2016. and i'll make one more point, steve, which is not a legislative point. we are seeing a much more emotional president obama when it comes to some of the really
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difficult cultural issues. he eulogized reverend pinckney earlier this week. we saw him break out into song. this is a very different president obama that we have seen in the past. and a lot of people his constituents welcoming this more personal side to the president. in terms of what's happening here at the white house, steve, nothing on the schedule. i will tell you, it's a beautiful day here. the president likes to play golf on the weekends. and if ever there was a day to play golf this might be it. so wouldn't be surprised if he hit the links today. steve? >> all right. kristen welker at the white house. thank you for that. appreciate it. here now to discuss this is rick hertzberg of the new yorker obama notes, and speech writer for jimmy carter. we are joined and talking about this question of legacy. fdr had social security. lbj had medicare. i can remember in the 2008 campaign, there was a dustup between obama and the clintons
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when obama seemed to say that the clinton presidency, the bill clinton presidency hadn't been transformational. bill clinton doesn't have that one thing you identify him with as others. how important was it to barack obama in terms of legacy this health care law be upheld like this? >> it's huge. his legacy was kind of solidified this week by the supreme court, by the same institution that put george w. bush in the white house, and that's thrown out the voting rights act. it's really extraordinary. he had those two decisions going the other way, we would all be talking about how the obama presidency is in ruins and everything had gone down the tubes. instead, it's confirmed. and he now has a shot at being if not at the first here -- the sort of holy trinity of great presidents of washington lincoln, franklin roosevelt and if you're a republican might
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try to throw reagan in there. >> i think they might. thank you. appreciate that. >> because other three are big government -- >> we've got lincoln and reagan. >> in name only. >> what would you say right now, if you had to say what was the legacy -- if he left office tomorrow what is the legacy of the obama presidency? >> well it's the affordable care act. it's getting bin laden and essentially avoiding getting us into yet another war like that. it is marriage equality which you might say obama led from behind on it. it was a very -- it was a very long game strategy. he understood that you had to do the military first. that was an absolute precondition for everything. >> don't ask, don't tell. the repeal of don't ask, don't tell. >> and to do that, you had to get the brass behind it. so he changed the personnel, essentially, of the joint chiefs of staff. the military did it from within. so it's completely solid.
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completely solid. there's no way that they're ever going back on that. so in those areas, these are easy to name things that will be left that will be the obama legacy. and i think he's going to be up there, at least in that second tier of presidents like harry s. truman like theodore roosevelt. maybe a little above clinton. what's the one thing you can say -- >> well it's funny you mention that. on both don't ask, don't tell and basically on gay marriage he was sort of kind of reinterpreting or unwrangling legislation that dated back to the clinton administration. so it's kind of ironic that you know one of the reasons why he's going to be higher up in rick's view in that pantheon he was undoing something that a -- >> well and, of course -- what was the thing that fouled up clinton in his first term it was health care. clinton presidency promised universal health care, as well
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and wasn't able to deliver on it. >> and don't ask, don't tell. that's the thing -- that was the big stumble. in fact you wrote about this on twitter. the big stumble early on in the clinton administration, he tried to allow gays to sort of openly in the military and co lynn powell put the kibosh on that. >> it was the compromise. it wasn't that bill clinton said i have this great idea. let's tell people they can't serve. >> 20 years, a lot has changed. you can say what clinton did on health care and don't ask, don't tell laid the foundation blocks that led to what obama was then able to accomplish. boy, we start ranking clinton versus obama and a potential other clinton. these -- pitting these people against each other to me is really -- really high stakes. but i must say, obama, if you look at his eight years and look at the cultural change in america from health care now being a right for people and
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same-sex equality which was once seen as somewhat of a perversion, now seen as perfectly acceptable, normal everybody is like everybody else it's an extraordinary transformation. and you can argue how many specific policies he actually did. but he is presiding over that change. and i think that's what gets him to transformation. >> how do you think about that i wonder too. the sweep of history and cultural change, how much of it is driven by political leaders, driven by how they use the bully pulpit and how much they happen to be -- sort of like you're managing a baseball team in the other town in the right place at the right time. >> this is why it's so good for obama. this is like the viral clip of his presidency, right? because when he made that speech in 2004 all the way through where he is now, the promise was, big change quick change i don't care if it's a democratic idea or republicaned idea i'm going to do it. this week you had the trade thing the democrats didn't like. you have the gay marriage thing.
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this happens in a snap. you have the -- you know the big sweeping conversations about race and things that happened at that pinckney memorial that i was at. i mean this is like sort of -- i'm not sure that it's a very -- outlier week in terms of he's accomplished a lot and all that. but if you look -- but to put it all into one sort of take-home size this is what people thought the obama presidency was going to be like. and now there it is. >> it flips the narrative. and suddenly you have democrats thinking he really didn't perform, we're disappointed. and now, oh my goodness look what he's done. he's a great president and if hillary can get elected, democrats are now entrenched like they were back in the days of fdr. >> in terms of things changing particularly on the gay rights side i don't think you can discount the fact that when obama finally made the move in 2012 and said he's now in support of marriage, that was also a signal to the
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african-american community, which had previously been -- a large segment had been kind of -- >> religious church-going -- >> exactly. and so the image that we had on friday of obama talking about the gay marriage decision and then flying down and flying down to deliver the eulogy kind of made things kind of full circle. you had both the gay rights aspect of it and him as part of a leader of black america in a sense. and that was an incredible fusion there. >> rick where does this -- hillary clinton right now is -- fairly well-positioned. who knows what's going to happen next. if hillary clinton were to succeed, if a democratic president were to succeed barack obama, where does this presidency end in terms of how is the table set for the next democratic president? where does the next democrat go from where he's leaving it off? >> well the obamacare -- republicans were warning that
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obamacare is the first step toward single-payer, that horrible thing. that's true i think. eventually, we're going to have to rationalize this insane health care system that we have now with it's got medicare over here medicaid over there and obamacare over here and private insurance over there. and everybody -- if you're a patient, if you actually use any of these services you know what a nightmare it is. the forms, the bills, the co-pays, all of this stuff. at some point, rationalizing this whole system making it simple and easy to understand and not be just another awful thing you have to deal with when you get sick. that's certainly a root -- >> i think you have just come up with the formula that's been elusive for five years to get republicans to say we're okay with the affordable care act. you know what we're going to move from that to single-payer and then maybe they would say, we'll keep with what we have. anyway -- thank you for joining us this morning. appreciate that. still ahead, a very unique gay pride parade here in new
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all right. as we mentioned earlier, there is one new republican in the race for president this weekend. louisiana governor bobby jindal announcing his run this week. there are also a few new national polls out there previewing whether jindal will pass the first big test for the entire gop field. that test is can he make it on to that crowded stage for the first republican debate, which is now just over a month from
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now. remember, candidates have to finish in the first ten spots in the average of the last five polls if they're going to get a spot at the podium. if they're going to make it on the tv for that all-important debate. so let's see where they stand right now when it comes to making that cut. first of all, here was a poll that caught everybody's attention, a new poll that came out from fox news. and the thing that caught everybody's attention was this. donald trump, a week after announcing his candidacy, zoomed into second place nationally 11%. trump had been polling down in the low single digits before this. there was talk donald trump might miss that cut, might not make it into the debate. he got 11% in that poll. and here's what the average looks like right now. here's your top ten. here's who would be on the stage right now if the debate were to be held today. and you can see, donald trump, thanks to that big jump moves solidly on to the stage in seventh place there. jeb bush obviously on stage. walker rubio, the usual
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suspects. let's look who would not make the cut. these are the candidates who would miss a spot on the stage. they are not in the top ten. rick santorum john kasich governor of ohio would not be on the stage right now. that first debate by the way, in kasich's home state. in cleveland. in ohio. take a look here. we'll zoom in on the cut line. these are the last few in the first few out. think of the ncaa tournament bubble. that's sort of what we're looking at here. and you can see right now, the last candidate who would make that cut is chris christie. his numbers are falling a little bit. he's in tenth place right now, 3.8% is his average. 11th place, the first one out, rick santorum. he's averaging 2%. you can see bobby jindal by the way, who got in this week moving up a little bit, but still not even at george pataki's level. so one thing to be looking for this week as we say, chris christie he's going to be announcing his candidacy on tuesday, he'll get a lot of coverage for that obviously. a lot of people will be exposed to his message. will chris christie move up safely into that field, safely
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on to that stage? or is somebody else from back here going to catch him, going to catch rick perry, one of these other people and make it on the stage instead. again, about a month out, a little more than a month out here from that first debate it's very important to makes that stage or not. when you're on that debate stage in 2012 and newt gingrich, you can zoom up 30 points. you can win south carolina because of a debate. the flip side is if you're not on the stage, you might not exist to people. so it's very important to keep an eye on those numbers. still ahead, as we have just talked about, if the first debate were held this week donald trump would be in it. what kind of a headache does that pose for the other nine candidates on the stage? we'll talk about that, next. >> i can't believe bush is in first place. some people they're thrilled. i'm not thrilled. how could bush be in first place? this guy can't negotiate his way out of a paper bag. ♪ ♪
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through like a rocket. i'm in second place out of 20 or 22 people. >> donald trump, being interviewed by msnbc's jose diaz on telemundo thursday. it is, in fact true. as we just showed you a few minutes ago, trump finishing in second place in the most recent polling, putting him comfortably on the debate stage, just over a month from now. if the polling trends continue this way. what does that mean for the other debaters? for the rest of the republican party? politico reporting that republican insiders worry that trump is a loose cannon whose rants about mexicans and scorched earth attacks on his rivals will damage the nominee and hurt a party struggling to connect with women and minorities desperate to win. his remarks about mexicans causing boycotts this week of the beauty pageant he produces. let's talk with the panel. we played this -- going into the break there. he specifically this week is going after jeb bush. right now if you look at the
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poll nationally, it's trump two, jeb bush one. and he is out there just viciously attack jeb bush. he said he can't negotiate his way out of a paper bag. he said if you're stuck in a papering about, bag, you probably don't want to negotiate your way out of it. you look at the trump style, the bombs he's going to set off on stage. if you're jeb bush, you better show up with a strategy to respond to this. >> yeah he better have a better strategy than when he was asked about his position on the iraq war and how he was going to defend his brother. it will give the other candidates an opportunity to show how fast they are on their feet. the simple line if you can't deal with donald trump, how are you going to deal with putin or kim jong-il. so there is an opportunity for the other candidates. his positions are different. he's going to force them to be clear on their positions. you're not going to be able to duck and weave with donald trump. he's a one-man wrecking ball and he'll keep at you until he gets
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an answer. >> and there really is -- i feel like there is a risk there for these candidates. there is an opportunity there if they can stand up to him. the risk is this guy is going to be in your face. he's going to be badgering you, taunting you. he's going to be calling you names. if you look like you're just sitting there and taking it or you don't know how to respond, you are going to look weak. >> but also the other side of it you don't want to have your whole debate be piling on and attacking donald trump. in his defense, by the way, it's a scholarship pageant and it's the classiest scholarship pageant there is. >> thank you. >> but this is he -- when he got in the race, i sort of thought, it wouldn't be that big a deal. i kind of thought, okay whatever, he's in there now, he's going to -- one step farther. last cycle, he floated around for a while. romney had to do -- stabbed with him, and did the whole thing with the birth certificate and that. but it didn't have a huge effect, i think. now with this -- i mean these mexican comments that we heard about, i mean this is not helpful, not good. i think it's sort of a piece we
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talked earlier about the confederate flag the republican party is not it interested in falling down these little side streets they fell down in 2012. and donald trump is like that's all this map has. >> and that means every one of those comments he makes in a debate, whether it's about mexicans or anybody else every candidate on the stage is going to be asked, hey, do you agree with that? >> exactly, and his legacy could be destroying two beauty pageants. his own, and -- >> the scholarship pageant. >> and the republican field. look, anybody running against him, anybody on that stage, is going to have to give as good as they get from him. because they can't be made to look, you know as he would put it like weenies on the stage or something like that. the thing to remember though remember at the white house correspondents dinner a couple years ago, after all these months where he had been going
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after obama on the birth certificate and stuff like that obama in his jokes just went right after him. and basically kind of humiliated him. and it's going to be a little bit tough when you're in a debate format particularly when you've got 10 or 12 people. somebody is going to have to do that and say, look you've been successful in this private sector despite seven bankruptcies. and -- but you've been successful, but, you know that's different than the world of politics. it's different than the world of governing. you're not serious. the people on this stage are serious. and unless you act seriously, why should any republican listen to you? and then by the way, start talking about how he's flip-flopped over the years. how he himself says that bill clinton has been the best president of the last several years. that's not going to go over too well with the republican base. >> yeah but he's going to cater to -- from my perspective, the worst aspects of the republican base. and so the challenge for the
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others is are they going to dare to rebut him, and risk losing some of the republican base. i mean i think that's going to be the tension that you're going to see on that stage. >> and we should say, the other thing is one of the reasons people have been so skeptical about trump as a candidate, a lot of people feel he's not going to want to go through with the full financial disclosure that's required for a presidential candidate. we should point out, there are still -- he's done sort of a framework filing right now. he's put the bare bones out there. he has done that. he has filed notification of candidacy. so he's done some real stuff. there is this much more thorough financial disclosure he can can basically punt on that until i think october or november. so the ultimate test will be will he file that. before now and october, there are a few debates. so he is -- until then at least going to get a spot on the stage. >> a debate or two and lots of media attention may satisfy his narcissistic needs for the moment. he may not go fully ahead. >> i know but i picture that scenario -- boy, if you get to
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late october and he's coming up on that deadline and running in first place in the polls -- boy, that's going to be tough to not file. we'll see what happens. still ahead, another victory this week for president obama. this one on trade. but he'll have to bring tpp to a vote in congress yet again before it's a done deal. democrats in congress saying they are going to fight on. this is that rare battle between president obama and his own party. we'll talk to one of the democrats who is at odds welcoming up. first, gay pride celebrations around the country this weekend, including one here in new york today, the likes of which we have never seen before. that is next. stay with us.
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what are you expecting for today? >> reporter: hi steve. you are correct. we are standing along the parade route this sunday morning, where in just a few hours, millions of people will be gathering to celebrate lgb it t equality. and there is definitely a lot to celebrate this year. the parade first began 45 years ago in 1970 to commemorate the stone wall riots which happened the year before. that was an event that effectively launched the modern gay rights movement. on this day, june 28th gay patrons at the stone wall inn, fought back against a fairly common police raid and said you can't treat us like second-class citizens. that bar, stone wall was recently declared a new york city landmark, and, of course two days ago the supreme court handed down an historic ruling legalizing marriage equality across the country. so organizers are expecting 22,000 marchers this year. 344 groups. and over 2 million spectators. so if you're looking for a big party, fifth avenue is definitely the place to be. >> all right. hopefully they get those cars out of the way before the parade
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>> this was a great victory for thousands of citizens allyied with progressive leaders and labor inside the house across this country. >> president obama obviously is a lame duck. he's in the last two years of his administration of his final term. and you see the limitations of his appeals to even the democrats in his caucus. >> now just two weeks later, the tables have completely turned though. that big win for the progressive movement is now a big defeat. the president obama can't pop the champagne corks yet. he will have to write the trade deal back to congress or his successor will have to bring it back to congress for final passage. congresswoman rosa delauro a democrat leading the fight against obama's trade dealing telling the "washington post" quote, it's not over so we fight on. joining me now is congresswoman rosa delauro. thank you for taking a few moments this morning. two weeks ago, we talked about it on this show. we just played that clip a
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second ago. i mean the story was this was a huge win for the left this was a huge win for labor. this trade deal had been stopped dead in its tracks. what happened? >> well first of all, let me just say good morning to you, steve. delighted to be here with you and delighted to talk about the trade issue. and i think one has to take a look about what -- how important what happened with regard to this agreement, the outcome. the outcome is. and clearly, there was a one-vote victory in the senate for the president. but i think what the real story is on the trade agreement, is that democrats are united and democrats are no longer going to vote for a trade agreement that loses american jobs and depresses people's wages. i mean so those days are gone. and i think that that is really the message. and when you take a look at what
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i call the unity of the democrats, 85% of the house of representatives democrats voted no. all of the house leadership voted no. 70% of the democratic senators voted no. all but two of the democratic leadership in the senate voted no. all of the democratic standard bearers and the likely nominee are opposed. so the issue is we're no longer going to look at a trade agreement that in fact exacerbates the problem that the economic problems that working men and women in this country are facing today. and that's why this fight is not over. because that opposition never budged. >> you were quoted this week on thursday by the "washington post" talking about the president and his team and how they handled this issue. you said what we watched on this effort was an arrogance. we were shut out.
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quite frankly, disrespectful of members and their input. it's striking whenever somebody from the president's own party would talk that way. what is it that bothered you so much about what happened in the last few weeks? >> well, you know what i have said. there was the -- many many attempts by members of congress over several years, including myself. i go back to 2011 where i asked to be included in the -- in the conversations around food safety. and have never really been asked to do that. members of congress were shut out. we had the lack of transparency was really quite outrageous, and unprecedented when it came to the congress. and by the other -- on the other side of that you had, you know 4 or 500 600 of the largest multinational corporations, special interests, which had open access to the documents, vietnam, malaysia access to the documents.
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members of the committee who have to vote on this issue, because they're voting on behalf of the people who sent them there to represent their best interests were not allowed to see this document. and when we were -- the lack of transparency, as i said was outrageous and unprecedented. when we were allowed to see it in bits and pieces they have classified it, the document. so if i were to say anything on this show to you, steve, about it, i would be violating the law. and -- which is not the way in which you proceed. what do they want to hide? which is why this fight is not over. let's get back to what the premise is here. is that overwhelmingly, that democrats have said no. no more business as usual. this is a tipping point. we are not going back. we are not going to vote for the kinds of trade agreements that have lost jobs for american workers. like the most recent korea agreement, which has doubled our
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trade deficit with south korea, and which has translated into about the loss of 75,000 jobs in the united states. we can have trade agreements. we can have good trade agreements that do not put american workers at risk. this is what the congress asked for. this is what the elected representatives of the people of this country asked for, overwhelmingly and through -- you said parliamentary maneuvering. parliamentary maneuvering. they got a one-vote margin in the senate. >> congresswoman, does president obama have a problem right now in terms of his relationship with his own party in congress? >> look everyone -- we all want to see the president succeed. on this issue, clearly, very distinct difference. overwhelming opposition -- all related by victory in the supreme court of the affordable
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care act. i viewed that as one of the proudest votes i ever cast in the house of representatives. and to have the court now uphold it twice is a real victory. the issue is around this trade agreement, which now can -- they can continue to negotiate it. but we will have an opportunity to see it and if it's anything like what we have seen already, i believe we will reject the final agreement. >> and finally right now, what this fast track authority does obviously, gives the president the ability to go back and negotiate this. that power could potentially transfer to the next president. hillary clinton could very well be that next president who inherits this power. there has been a lot of calls from her from the left including bernie sanders one of her primary opponents to take a position on this issue. she has not done so yet. do you want to see her publicly state where she stands? >> she has. she has said that any trade agreement that doesn't create american jobs and doesn't increase their -- the economic
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viability of americans is -- is not a good trade agreement. and i believe she said most recently that if she were in the senate, she would vote no. so as i said all of our standard bearers have said that this is the wrong direction for the country to go in because it's about wages. it's about jobs. >> congresswoman, just to be clear on what hillary clinton said she had said that vote was conditioned on this other component, the trade assistance for workers who might be affected by the deal. she was talking about that. and she had in the past in 2012 indicated apparent support for the tpp. it doesn't seem clear where her position is on this. >> no i think i would just say that she said -- as she said a trade agreement that did not benefit american workers, that didn't create jobs and increase wages, was a bad trade deal.
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and that's what this deal is. it is a bad trade deal. and one that -- the fast track process does three things. it denies public scrutiny of the document. it limits debate on the document. and it does not allow for the congress -- duly elected representatives of the public to not be able to amend it. we did not want to provide the president with that kind of authority. he won as i said by one vote in the senate through political -- through parliamentary maneuvering. not because he had support. the support from the democrats was never there. it was overwhelming opposition. now we go on to the agreement, and yes, we will have a chance to look at it though we cannot amend it. but if it is anything like what little bit of what we have seen today, i believe that the american public will reject it and members of congress will
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all right, there is a lot going on this morning. let's get caught up with the other headlines making news with today's panel. this is just in from one of our producers in south carolina at emanuel ame church where a funeral service is taking place for depayne. the vice president is in attendance at today's ceremony the funeral, in charleston. see that picture there from one of our producers who is on the
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scene keeping an eye on that. let's see what else we have headlines on this morning. this is from msnbc, how convenient. bernie sanders vows to beef up his appeal to minorities. there has been a concern that sanders has been resonating more with white voters than non-white voters. he told reporters that the views we hold are important to all americans, but to be honest they're probably more important to minorities and hispanics because the poverty rate in those communities is even higher than whites. >> if you go back to '68, gene mccarthy and gary hart and even howard dean. they basically appeal to more upscale, white voters.
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>> the yuppie democrats. >> bernie sanders is actually from brooklyn but now he's from vermont which is 95% white. there is very little exposure there, but i think black america is going to respond more to clinton. >> bernie sanders has perfected this message aimed at lower income rural whites. that's his constituents in vermont, and that's been his pitch, and he's not necessarily used to talking to a more diverse crowd. >> they haven't been part of his speeches like they were o'malley and clinton talked about this. he has not done much at all to try to change that. >> i don't think he's even mentioned something like immigration, for example, which would be really easy. yeah it's a very -- it's a pale part of the democratic constituency that he seems to be appealing to right now, so we'll see. >> let's see what else we have for headlines here.
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elected because he wouldn't have time to maintain it. >> i would like to know what he does to maintain it. maybe we could all get tips on what not to do. >> maybe one of the candidates will ask him this in the debate. >> he traveled around with a guy who carried a bunch of hats. in case it gets windy, he has a hat wrangler. it was amazing. >> trump 2016. hair today, gone tomorrow. >> that's not bad, and i want the hat wrangler on the show. that is an interview i want to have on this show. i want to thank our panel for today. robert george of the new york post debbie mcmorris, san toret sam tora emily post. chris murphy from connecticut joins pat murphy on discussing the isis threat on "taking the hill."
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this morning, my question: was that the president's best week ever? plus the world's biggest pride celebration after a historic victory. and the human rights crisis right in our own backyard. but first, the flag did come down, if only for a brief time. good morning. i'm melissa harris-perry, and today the congregation of charleston's ame church continues to memorialize the nine members who died when they were gunned down last week during a bible study. later today, the church members will gather for the seventh time in less than a week to say goodbye to one of its victims, the reverend