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senator from south carolina. finally, terror abroad and concerns at home. how serious is the threat to us? i'm chuck todd and joining me for insight and analysis this sunday morning are former republican house speaker newt gingrich, michael eric dyson of georgetown university. kathleen parker of "the washington post," and charles ogletree. welcome to sunday, it's "meet the press." >> announcer: this is "meet the press" with chuck todd. >> good morning. perhaps it was a bit of hyperbole but one writer we aide admire said this would be the week they would write books about. as the president sang "amazing grace" and buried the confederate flag. as americans came to look at three issues in a different way in rapid order. the confederate flag came to be seen by most, not just some, as

a reminder of hate, not just heritage. health care reform seen now as a right not a privilege. and same-sex marriage became law of the land. it was also a week that cemented president obama's legacy. here he is, celebrating the supreme court's health care decision with his chief of staff, dennis mcdonagh. friday night the white house was bathed in rainbow colors in honor of the marriage ruling, capping the most sweeping period of social transformation since the 1960s. >> reporter: there is a right to marriage equality, we have it. >> reporter: there is a right to marriage equality. >> usa! usa! >> the progressive victories were led not from the top down but by a new generation of grassroots activists, pressing their political leaders to keep up with the pace of change. >> sometimes there are days like this, when that slow, steady effort is rewarded with justice that arrives like a thunderbolt. >> just 30 years ago the supreme court said gay people could be

punished as criminals. >> in historical terms, it has moved quickly, but that quickly came on the strength of more than four decades of engagement and work and persuasion and many stumbles and much injustice, so it took a lot of work to get to this overnight success. >> for republicans running for president, responses to the ruling are a litmus test for which voters they intend to target. >> some of the darkest 24 hours in our nation's history. >> others like jeb bush eyeing the general election have criticized the decision but essentially said, accept it and move on. also this week, a flag that emerged as a defiant, political symbol in 1948 with the segregationist dixie kl crat party is now being taken down all over the south, in state capitols from south carolina to alabama. and the tragedy in charleston may actually be changing the debate on race from a conversation to action. >> that's a week in the nation. the law of four little girls in

a church of birmingham galvanized the civil rights movement. >> two years ago president obama brought a message of tough love to african-americans at morehouse college. >> nobody cares how tough your upbringing was. nobody cares if you suffered some discrimination. >> and friday's eulogy for reverend clementa pinckney, the president took a much different approach. >> we're guarding against not just racial slurs, but we're also guarding against the subtle impulse to call johnny back for a job interview but not jamal. >> this change in tone is being led by a new generation of civil rights and social justice activists with a message amplified by social media. hillary clinton was criticized as well as bernie sanders for appearing uncomfortable using the phrase "black lives matter." >> all lives matter. >> that didn't cut it with the founder of the black lives matter movement. >> racism is an epidemic in this

country, it is a public health crisis but right now our politicians can't even say black lives matter. >> on friday the president wanted to make sure that phrase was crystal clear and then broke into an old hymn -- ♪ amazing grace ♪ ♪ how sweet ♪ >> it was a week of dramatic social change and inextricably linked to the age of obama. just hours after friday's historic supreme court decision on same-sex marriage, i sat down with one of the lawyers who successfully argued the case before the court, and two plaintiffs. and i began by asking mary bonauto, who has been at the forefront of the same-sex marriage fight for over a decade, if she was surprised by the rapid pace of change. >> when massachusetts legalized marriage in 2003, no, i didn't expect to see this as quickly but when people started marrying in massachusetts in may of 2004, you could see very quickly the

temperature coming down and people relating to the fact that this is just folks who loved one another, wanted to commit to each other and take on legal responsibility. and it was kind of hard to argue with that. so we've seen that sort of extend out throughout the nation. >> justice roberts in his dissent on the one hand said, celebrate. he seemed to be happy about the outcome, though upset about the legal justification for the outcome. he said you can celebrate in every which way but you can't point to the constitution. what's your response to that? >> this case is entirely about the constitution and the great thing about our nation is we have the courts there to say when laws trespass on basic guarantees. in our nation for over a century, marriage has been considered one of those basic, cherished liberties. and the state needs a very good reason to keep two people out of it. and in the end, there were no good reasons here as the majority point out, you know, the major argument was, well if

same-sex couples marry then different couples won't marry. that's not how people make the decision about joining into marriage with the most important person in their life. >> gregory and michael, you have two kids. >> yes. >> you now get to tell your kids your marriage is legal wherever you move, wherever you live. how important is that, michael? >> very it's important, especially since in the state of kentucky, i'm their only parent right now. >> state of kentucky does not recognize you -- >> >> they don't recognize our marriage or have a second parent adomgs of -- adoption of our children. we don't have that option. >> i hope we're using past tense.we don't have that option. >> i hope we're using past tense. but that's an important outcome of this is for us now that we're recognized as a legal couple to put both names on their birth certificates. they've always seen both of us as being their parents, so this is the big win for us. >> do you think your services are done? >> i -- >> you've been at the forefront.

>> i hesitate to say so. people still get singled out for discrimination and as we know from what's happening in south carolina today just unspeakable violence. so i hope the work goes on to ensure that you know the way we live -- in the way we live our lives and the way we treat us we're not singled out for treatment. >> to break down what's been an historic week at the supreme court, question think of nobody better than our own justice correspondent, mr. williams. you've been a busy man. >> yes, sir. >> what did we learn about the court this week? is it a liberal court? conservative court? >> this is one of the most liberal terms in years. same-sex marriage, saving health care reviving the discrimination law saying that states don't have to put the confederate flag on their license flats. plates. if you look at the last ten years with john roberts now ten years running the court, the plates. if you look at the last ten years with john roberts now ten

years running the court, the if you look at the last ten years with john roberts now ten years running the court, the decisions that will stand out for conserve fives that will annoy him is that he twice bailed out obamacare but liberals hate the fact that he his chief justice gave us the decision. decisions that dealt a huge blow to the voting rights act. i think what we see about john roberts and these two decisions is dissenting on marriage, agreeing on obamacare, is he doesn't like to see the court as a political institution. he hates when we describe a conservative or liberal bloc of justices. i think he is concerned about the court's legacy and his own image. >> is it fair to say we know where three justices will be on the right, alito, thomas and scalia and we always know where four justices are on the left when it comes to kagan, breyer, sotomayor and ginsburg, and it's kennedy and roberts are the swings? is that what we're looking at here? >> we often see that on the big social issues. remember where we really saw the fault lines is in the marriage decision. want so much the obamacare decision. two different things the court

does. one is interpreting statutes, which was the obamacare decision. but the other is saying what liberties does the constitution protect. that's where the courts' liberal and conservative 5-4 divisions are the sharpest. >> there is a sharp difference in jurisprudence between scalia and roberts. this is a big debate. explain the difference here. there's been a lot of commentary on this. scalia looks at it in almost a strict -- the description of strict constructionist and fair to call roberts more of an institutionalist? >> yes, i think that's right. just justice scalia considered himself a textualist, but finding no meaning beyond the words of the law itself. and so -- but remember, in the dissent -- or in his majority opinion in the obamacare case, you scalia saying this is crazy, you're twisting the statute, the chief justice twice quotes scalia saying, you have to read the law as a whole.

>> your other beat is national security, home-grown terror. there is this general warning out there about the fourth of july. explain it when it comes to worries about terrorism. >> it's isis-based and it's been out there for, well, several weeks now. attorney general and fbi director had a meeting with -- or homeland security director had a conference call with police chiefs. they're very worried about isis social media inspiring people in the united states to take terror actions and they're concerned about this fourth of july period for a couple of reasons. one is, the obvious fact that it's a holiday and a potential -- something that would rally people but they've seen in these messages exhortations to do something now. you'll probably see more of that this week. >> pete williams, thank you very much. big week for you and another big one coming up monday when it comes to redistricting. >> we know it's coming. >> we know it's coming. as we bring in the panel, i wanted everyone to see how the supreme court's decision was

covered in america's newspaper. for many people these are the kind of front pages they'll be saving, hanging on their wall, framing it. you'll see it there from all over the country. they will be souvenirs for many people. others mayor not so much. let me bring in the panel, charles ogletree kathleen parker michael eric dyson, newt beginning grish. gingrich. what did you learn from the supreme court this week? >> it was a good series of gingrich. what did you learn from the supreme court this week? >> it was a good series of decisions. this is not about left and right. the republicans have not turned conservative or liberal. this is about justice and equality. and i think those opinions show about justice and equality. i'm very happy with what was decided by the court today. >> speaker gingrich, i take it you aren't. >> i think they're two radically different kind of decisions. the obamacare decision which was probably a great boon to republicans because it allowed them to side-step, solve a

38-state decision. in obamacare it's almost impossible to read the law the way the court did it. it takes a grotesque avoidance of the language in the bill. in the case of the gay rights movement which goes back -- this is the 46th anniversary since stonewall riots. this has been a long evolution. most of the country has already migrated in the direction of the court decision and there you have the court following the nation, not rewriting the law. i don't happen to think we ought to decide these things in courts. i think there is a reason there are political bodies. if you look at the reaction around the country, this is an issue which i began saying several years ago. once you have people getting married legally, whether it's massachusetts or anywhere, you are starting to have a challenge you can't unravel because human beings' lives are now so affected by it. the court in that sense has been catching up with changing reality. >> speaker brought up something he doesn't like it that the courts do this, but you could argue in our country's history, the courts -- it's only been the

courts that have dealt with social transformation, but the legislative bodies, they have -- they can't deal with it. >> no question. you think about the dred scott decision in one direction, and brown versus board of education. you think about these decisions. those who give hallelujah are those who have been victims of state forces of oppression in the name of legislation and government. don't forget jim crow was a state-sponsored form of, you know, division of races. so the courts have often intervened in progressive fashion to keep the dream of democracy alive. i think that when it comes to obamacare, again, those -- you know, to disagree with speaker gingrich here the people who made the live are alive. their intents are clear. why? because they went to court to say that's not the interpretation we meant to lent to those four words. when you try to demythologize.

>> you could argue everybody's point of view is represented in the supreme court. isn't that a good thing? everybody has seen gets a piece of what they wanted representative and how they to want see the constitution interpreted. >> that's true. i appreciated professor ogletree's explanation of how this evolved through the years. i loved pete williams' explanation of scalia being a textualist and roberts being an institutionalist. those are important distinctions. but to follow up on one thing speaker gingrich said i lost my train of thought. >> no, no. that's all right. >> no, no, i'm sorry. i did just kind of space there. i'm still visualizing the white house bathed in rainbow colors and i'm having a slight flashback. >> i can't wait for the red, black and green to come. >> no, but i think the marriage

issue was a gift. i think the ruling on the marriage issue was a gift to the gop. both of these things take the pressure off all these politicians and say, this is the law, we follow it, let's move on. they don't have to create wedge issues. they're liberated. >> in crass political terms i've seen some conservatives on twitter saying, should republicans trust another bush when it comes to supreme court justices citing bush's father, w. and roberts. does this hurt jeb bush in some way with the conservatives? >> maybe some conservatives but something was going to hurt jeb bush with some conservatives any way. i want to dissent for a second. if you look at the dred scott where the supreme court was totally wrong, that's decided by civil war and elections that put lincoln in the white house. you can cite brown versus board of education, there was an immense amount of political activism and the u.s. congress passed a series of laws -- >> >> listen, i absolutely agree with you with that, but my point is adjudication of the court has to reflect a principle of

democracy. it's both and not either or. >> how do you feel about this decision the supreme court should reflect public opinion? >> i think the supreme court does not reflect public opinion. i think they're citing what's law, justice, equality. if you take a peer vote, we're going to lose every time. we're minority, african-americans, people -- asian-americans, latinos, latinas but the supreme court says, we can decide what the law is going to be. and i rest and say that they have made a good decision -- good series of decisions on obamacare, on other issues as well. >> we're going to pause here, come back with more on this debate. when we come back, 150 years after it was used in battle and half a century after it was revived as a symbol of resistance to civil rights. the confederate battle flag starts coming down across the country.

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welcome back. in the aftermath of the tragedy in charleston, it didn't take long for politicians in both parties to suddenly unite and call for the removal of the confederate battle flag from the front of the state capitol in south carolina. one prominent south carolina politician who has changed his mind on the issue is senator lindsey graham, who is running for the republican presidential nomination. on friday he attended the funeral of reverend clementa pinckney in charleston, where president obama spoke so movingly. senator graham joins me now. senator, welcome back to "meet the press." >> thank you very much. >> take me to the services on friday.

what did you make of the president? >> great speech. good singer. i don't think he's a very good commander in chief, but he did a very good job. i guess when we started talking about god's grace and embracing the democratic agenda across the board, he sort of lost me there, but i thought he did an incredible job of speaking about reverend pinckney. he did a good job explaining our history. but then it got a bit political. i'm glad he came and i know it meant a lot to the people in south carolina for the president to come. >> why did it take nine deaths to change your mind on the battle flag? >> if you'd ask me the day before the attack and this killing, i would have said the promise compromise worked for south carolina, chuck. i'm not going to throw my state under the bus. that's never going to happen. this compromise was 15 years

old. we took the flag off the top of the dome, moved it by the war memorial, built an african monument that worked for most south carolinian and after the shooting it did not. my state will never move forward after this shooting if we don't take the flag down. the people at the ame church, the families of the victims, changed everything by their grace, by their love, by their forgiveness, making it impossible for a guy like me to say, keep the flag up. >> when you see the flag now, do you see a symbol of hate or heritage? >> i see it as a roadblock for south carolina. put it in a museum. you can look at it any way you you would like. but after this shooting and after the call for it to be taken down by the families of the victims, i say it is a road block to the future of my state. i love my state. we've come a long way. we got a long way to go. but it's got -- it's got to come down and i see it being in a museum. you can look at it any way you want. the flag that's only meant anything to me is the united states flag which i served for 33 years as an air force officer. >> i'm curious to get your

reaction to what david brooks wrote about robert e. lee. he calls it "the robert e. lee problem." he says, my own view is we should preserve most confederate memorials out of respect for the common soldiers. we should keep lee's name on institutions that reflect post-war service but we should remove lee's names from most schools, roads and institutions where the name could be seen as acceptance for what he did and stood for during the war. these debate, senator, will be about jefferson davis as well, virginia, very prominent in northern virginia, jefferson davis highway. where do you believe we should go forward on this? >> if you look back, the goal is to go forward, right? to look back in a way to come to reality about who we are as a nation but to go forward together. i would say to david, who i admire a lot, why would you stop there? the whole country was founded by slave owners for the most part. here's a question, why would you name the capital of any nation after a slave owner? i think washington, d.c. is

appropriately named even though george washington was a slave owner, because when you look at what he did as a whole, i think he's earned the right to be called one of the great figures in american history. as to robert e. lee, if it wasn't for his leadership after the war, urging his soldiers to lay down their weapons and become good americans, only god knows what would happen after 1865. >> i want to move to the court here. i'm curious to see your reaction. this is what ted cruz said in response to the two court rulings last -- on friday night. >> today it's some of the darkest 24 hours in our nation's history. >> do you agree with his assessment? >> no. i think it's a transformational moment. there are a lot of upset people who believe in traditional marriage. they're disappointed. they're down right now. but the court has ruled, so here's where i stand. if i'm president of the united

states, here's what would happen. if you have a church, a mosque or a synagogue and you're following your faith and you refuse to perform a same-sex marriage because it's outside the tenets in your faith, in my presidency you will not lose your tax-exempt status. if you're a gay person or gay couple, if i'm president of the united states, you'll be able to participate in commerce and be a full member of society, consistent with the religious beliefs of others who have rights also. >> let me ask you about the republican party platform, the 2012 platform said this, we affirm our support for constitutional amendment defining marriage as one man and one woman. should is that go away in 2016? >> i don't believe there's any chance for constitutional amendment defining marriage between one man and one woman to get two-thirds vote in the house or senate and be ratified -- >> get it out of the platform? >> i agree with jeb. if my view, you can put it in the platform but in my view it will hurt us in 2016 because

it's a process that's not going to bear fruit. i want to protect the religious liberties of those who believe that opposing same-sex marriage as part of their faith, so, no, i would not engage in the constitutional amendment process as a party going into 2016. accept the court's ruling, fight for the religious liberties of every american. >> are you confident the flag's coming down in south carolina? >> yes, because we have no other choice. and i am confident that after all this is over, we'll be stronger than south carolina were before. this is a case where the people led the politicians. the grace, the love shown by the victims of these families represent my state better than i could ever hope to. i'm so proud of the people in charleston. >> senator lindsey graham, i'll stay there. stay safe on the campaign trail. panelists here, kathleen parker, you're a charleston resident. you were down there this week. the flag coming down, right?

you feel as if south carolina's unifying around that position? >> well, you're still going to have pockets of dissent for sure. and the national media will certainly root out those people. but for the most part, i don't know anyone who thinks the flag belongs there. i don't know anybody who didn't think it needed to come down from the dome 15 years ago. there will always be those people that have the confederate flag in fl their front yards and have them on their trucks and that sort of thing. they're going to -- it almost has less to do with the flag itself than the outside forces insisting they take it down. there's still that sort of dig your heels in and resist mentality. but it's coming down because it's the right thing to do. it's the least we can do to pay our respects for the people who died in that attack. >> i want to play something cornell brooks of the naacp -- he is actually posing a question to everybody on this panel. take a listen. >> i pose a question to the viewers of this program.

would you feel safe walking into a room full of swastikas and nazi paraphernalia in the same way americans do not feel safe, do not feel comforted by this emblem of hatred, bigotry, biased and slavery waving in front of the state capitol. that's why it had to come down. speaker, you represented georgia. you represented the -- this divide on what the confederacy was about. when you hear his comments, how do you respond? >> look, i joined democrat zoe miller 13 years ago in saying the georgia flag had to be changed. it's very clear -- >> are you comfortable with the flag the way it is now? it is modeled -- it is the original confederate flag just with the georgia seal on it the way it's modeled. >> i think that may well be changed now that people are into a new cycle. it's crazy for amazon to come along and say, here is an educational game about gettysburg, which is used widely

in schools to teach people to think. by the way, it has a confederate versus american flag and, therefore, they've taken the game out of amazon. there's a point here where we begin to get towards orwell's memory hole in which we try to hide from the past. i think it's one thing to say you should not have a symbol, which is very offensive to a large part of your population. it's another thing to say, let's erase our history and pretend it never occurred. >> where is that balance? >> i absolutely agree with that. the question is, the flag is the easy part. the difficult part is, the ideas for which that flag stands. the vicious white supremacy, repudiation of african-american identity and autonomy to move where you want to move. the question is the flag itself is gone but the hatred remains and how do we root out that hatred, and then speak to the forces of oppression that prevail. it's so important to say the symbols and emblems of hate are removed but the realities to which they refer are not. that's why it is more difficult for republicans to stand up and

defend that flag because they are also defending a way of life that's problematic. >> this idea of rethinking how we honor the confederacy. >> i think it's important. i think we had a history of slavery we already heard about and we moved from that. we have a society, we have the first african-american president. not the last, i hope. and i think people are in congress, people are working in jobs, people are doing a great job in education. we need to talk about us as a country, all of us united, coming together. i think that's what the flag should be about. all americans should be embraced in the same way. >> i'm going to leave it there. coming up, my next guest says this -- if we want to save some money, let's just get rid of the court. republican presidential candidate bobby jindal's reactions to 48 hours of court rulings. he's joins me next. urs of court rulings. he's joins me next. >> announcer: "meet the press" is brought to you by mo this summer, get ready for suspense. unbridled jealousy.

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we pointed out what an historic week it was in america. it reminded us there are times when presidents simply figure out how to capture the moment, transcends bipartisanship and brings the country together. sadly, those moments are often rooted in tragedy. reagan after the "challenger" explosion. >> we'll never forget them nor the last time we saw them, this morning as they prepared for their journey and waved good-bye and slipped through the surly bonds of earth to touch the face of god. >> bill clinton after oklahoma city. >> you have lost too much, but you have not lost everything. and you have certainly not lost america. for we will stand with you. >> george w. bush after 9/11.

>> i can hear you. the rest of the world hears you. and the people -- [ cheers and applause ] >> and the people who knocked these buildings down will hear all of us soon. >> and this week barack obama's eulogy in charleston. >> blinded by hatred, the alleged killer could not see the grace surrounding reverend pinckney and that bible study group. through the example of their lives, they've now passed it on to us. may we find ourselves worthy of that precious and extraordinary gift. as long as our lives endure, may grace now lead them home. ♪ amazing grace ♪

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>> giving the politically correct answer there about the state of iowa, louisiana governor bobby jindal's somewhat unconventional video where he broke the news to his children that he was running for president. we learned new jersey's governor chris christie will jump into the republican race on tuesday and that takes the major declared republican candidates to 14. jindall and christie have something in common, once rising stars in the party who are now getting hit hard in their own states. they'll both hope to somehow turn the problems in their backyards to advantages to show that they have the conviction to lead even if unpopular on the national stage. i'm joined by the governor of louisiana, bobby jindal. welcome back to "meet the press," governor. >> chuck, thank you for having me. of course, my kids love iowa. they know -- they went to the iowa state fair. they had a deep-fried candy bar. who wouldn't love that? >> there you go. pander, pander, pander away. let me start with this. put up this map here.

one state in the union is not issued any marriage license since the court ruling on friday. it is your state, louisiana. there have been some counties in mississippi and some in texas. can you explain why your state hasn't implemented the law yet? >> sure. chuck, i strongly disagree with the court's ruling. according to chief justice roberts they weren't even reading -- this has nothing to do with the constitution. but of course we're going to comply with the court order. we don't have a choice. our state agencies will comply with a court order. we had it in our state constitution that marriage is between a man and a woman. local federal judge upheld that. it was uphill. we are now waiting for the 5th circuit to reverse that ruling. they'll implement the supreme court's order. we have no choice to comply even though i think this decision was the wrong one. >> how quickly do you think you'll comply with the law? >> it will be up to the court as soon as they issue their ruling. i suspect a matter of days.

chuck, i do support -- i know there are efforts in congress to support our tenth amendment rights in response to this ruling especially when it comes to marriage. i think the left is now going to go after our first amendment rights. i think it is wrong for the federal government to force christian individuals, businesses, pastors, churches, to participate in wedding ceremonies that violate our sincerely-held religious beliefs. we have to stand up and fight for religious liberty. that's where this fight is going. the left wants to silence us. hillary clinton wants to silence us. we're not going away. >> i want you to respond because you bring up a couple of debate points that are familiar. respond to this from rick grinell, long time conservative foreign policy voice, worked in the bush administration. and he makes a conservative case for same-sex marriage writing this on foxnews.com. the debate on marriage within the republican party has

been hijacked by those who wish to dictate their beliefs onto others. the only true conservative position, the individual right of marriage for all has been affirmed by the supreme court. it's time for consistent conservatives to come out in favor of the court's ruling. that's a conservative argument for same-sex marriage. why do you believe he's wrong? look, i think he's wrong, i think hillary clinton, think president obama's wrong. all your viewers know that both and hillary evolve their views because of opinion polls. they can read opinion polls like the supreme court. my view of marriage is based on my christian faith. no court decision is going to change that. i think marriage is between a man and a woman. i think they're all created equal in god's eyes and i think we need to respect and love those we dis's agree with. i think we can have religious liberty without discrimination. my views on marriage aren't evolving with the polls. i can read polls like the president can. it's based on my faith. i think it should remain between a man and a woman. >> the issue of religion and

faith was used in the '60s during the debate about interracial marriage. none other than former president harry truman, "the new york times" since september 1, 1963. the headline, truman opposes biracial marriage. here is his reasoning, governor. he said racial intermarriage ran counter to teachings of the bible. so, are you comfortable using religion as a way to defend your position on marriage? >> chuck, look, i think it's offensive to -- of evangelical christians, catholics to follow their church's teachings and millions of other americans who believe marriage between a man a woman. it has been taught in our faith for centuries. just a few years ago the position held by president obama and secretary clinton that wasn't just a republican position. so, i think it's offensive to try to equate the two. i'm glad america has moved towards a much better view on race relations. i've said we need to stop viewing ourselves as hyphenated americans. we're not african-americans, indian-americans, we're all

americans. viewing people by the color of their skin is one of the dumbest ways to view people. i've written that. i've said that. i think it's offensive to equate evangelical christians as racist. we're not racist. we love our fellow man. we think we're all equal under god's eyes. we simply believe marriage -- we don't believe we should change the definition of marriage simply because of opinion polls or because of a court that, quite frankly, isn't looking at the constitution. earlier this week scalia said words no longer have meaning in their obamacare decision. you have a court not reading the dictionary. why couldn't the court have said, we're going to respect the decisions made by the states? why not say we're going to defer to the elected representatives of the people? >> i want to go to the launch of your campaign. you don't start -- at least at home, you're not getting a favorite son send-off. your latest poll, sitting at 32%, lower than president

obama's job rating in the state of louisiana. i put a summary together of what has been republican criticism of your tenure as governor. jennifer ruben, conservative columnist of "washington post" says you suffer from awkward ever-eagerness. one is concerned your campaign doesn't reflect who you really are. eric erickson an influential movement conservative, wrote this about one of your appearances -- you throw rhetorical bombs to simply get noticed. national review called your health care plan would cost millions to lose coverage. you don't deal with that. former republican buddy roemer says when it comes to baton rouge, you've gone awol. what's happened here? why do so many republicans seem concerned/critical of your tenure as governor and your launch here on the national stage? >> well, chuck, two things. if i were afraid of polls, i

never would have been elected in two landslide elections, winning the highest percentage in our state's last election for governor. if i were afraid of polls we wouldn't have privatized our charity hospital system wouldn't have cut over 30,000 state government bureaucrats. wouldn't have done state wide school choice. in louisiana we have more people working than ever before where top ten state for private sector job creation. when you do that, you'll make the big government people unhappy. we've upset the apple court, we've taken on status quo. we have he a made big changes. secondly, i said i want to run a campaign where we embrace our principles. establishment republicans don't want us to do that. jeb bush says we have to be willing to lose the primary in order to win the general election. i strongly disagree with you. what some republicans are saying, what jeb bush is saying, we have to hide who we are. nonsense. we don't just need to send a republican to d.c. we need to somebody who will take on conventional wisdom.

republicans in d.c. say you cannot repeal obamacare. that was one of the criticisms that you just read. you cannot shrink the federal government, you cannot balance the budget, you cannot do term limits. chuck, if we don't do that, we're done. we can own this next century if we actually implement conservative reforms. i'm not running to manage the decline of this great country. i'm running to make real changes in d.c. >> well, i tell you, your state according to cnbc ranks 46th out of 50 in 2015 as a state to do business. how do you take that record to conservative republicans and say make me the executive in charge? >> now we're top ten state for private sector job creation. seven years in a row of in-migration. we have more people living and working here in louisiana than ever before. $60 billion, 90,000 jobs coming to our state. we ranked higher in every business ranking that has been done since i have taken governor. we're at our highest ranking ever. we've turned the state around.

when you look at what was going on post-katrina, many were wondering if they could come back here, decades of out-migration. we have reversed that. highest ever per capita state income ranking in our state's history. eight different credit upgrades. our highest credit ratings in decades. and also the fewest number of state employees in decades. we measure success by how people are doing in the real world not the government sector. i know a lot of politicians, ps are and democrats, don't like that but that's how we measure success. >> we'll see you on the campaign train. see how voters react. governor jindal, thanks for coming on "meet the press." stay safe on the trail, sir. >> thanks, chuck. coming up -- how ten days in june have cemented president obama's legacy. following the big progressive victories of the '60s, conservatives used a silent majority for victories at the ballot box in the '70s and '80s. will they do it again? boys?

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nerdscreen time. nobody likes to feel like their on the losing side but conservatives in rural america have found themselves on the losing side a lot this week with hit after hit favoring a progressive tide. highlighting the divide between urban and rural america. it all started wednesday when congress decided to hand president obama a big victory when it comes to trade, by paving the way for the transpacific partnership trade deal. but a third of americans overall in our latest poll said free trade hurts the united states. but in rural america, the view on trade is even more pessimistic.

half say trade hurts. many rural americans pine for the day when a small factory was the local economic engine. of course, those days are long gone. thursday came the supreme court's ruling upholding subsidies in the affordable care act. when it comes to the health care law as a whole, the country is evenly split on whether to keep the law or eliminate it. in rural america, no waffling. two-thirds say the law needs to have major changes or be scrapped all together. and then on friday, the court ruled same-sex marriage legal nationwide. guess what? a majority of americans supported the action that the court took except in one area of the country, rural america, where support sits just under 50% at 46%. many in rural america may look at this week and see america changing in ways they aren't ready to embrace. if history is any guide, there's

going to be a backlash to this rapid social change. is it the backlash temporary? the answer could come during the presidential campaign. i want to bring in the panel. newt, in some way your political career was a product of the first backlash, conservative moment of the silent majority. where is this going? >> first of all, issues change and topics change. president wants us to be deeply concerned about poor children getting a decent education. the city of baltimore spends $130,000 a year for every student who passes the eighth grade math test. yet there's not a single democrat who's prepared to fundamentally reform the school system. 78% of the country said last week they would be for a candidate who wants major change in the federal government. no democrat is going to run a major change. you would have a madison, public employee unions. won't let them.

uprising. if the issues next year become who's prepared to reshape the federal government, i think the democrats are in big trouble. if it stays on social issues -- >> you're telling the republican party, no matter what the rural base of party says, don't pander to them? >>, no the rural base is deeply opposed to the irs being totally incompetent and deeply opposed to the veterans administration unable to serve veterans as well as any other part of the country. preferably if you're a conservative, 60% or 70%, that's the reagan lesson. you cannot rup run with a 70% or 80% issue because no matter what the liberal media does they can't drive you down below 50%. more from the panel after a very short break. first, a reminder, if you can't be in front of your tv to see "meet the press" live. no problem. we're always available on demand. you want to pause us as well, catch graphics perfectly and

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on social issues i would say this week we made a dramatic shift to the center-center left. barack obama transformational? >> well, his administration is certainly transformational. i don't know that he gets all the credit for that. i think the country has been moving along for 30, 40 years toward these more liberal social positions. frankly, in reaction to the overreaction of the right, of the religious right and the -- beginning with the moral majority. i think he's -- he certainly does get -- it certainly does line up in his column these more progressive positions have occurred under his watch. and this week, for heaven's sake, has a president ever had a week like this? >> no. the white house is saying that. it's interesting, right after the midterms there was this, boy, is he a lame duck or dead duck type of conversation when it came to the last two years of his presidency? and he sort of took a -- he says, fine, executive action, do things unilaterally. this is the presidency many progressives were upset they

didn't see in the first two years, they're happy about now. >> he's a very happy duck, let me put it that way. he has a lot to make things go forward. and i think back to when ronald reagan was running when i was able to vote. there are a lot of reagan democrats because he had an idea, something new, transformational. this president has something new, transformational. i think that's going to make a big difference. i think we're moving in the right direction. >> he ain't no duck. he's a phoenix. if we give credit to reagan, we have to give the credit to obama younger, smarter, blacker and represents a growing consensus about what it might mean to be an american by redefining the boundaries of what we find acceptable. i think obama's legacy has certainly not only bun resurrected but put forth as a model to others who can use the end game. he's a fourth-quarter guy.

he was down third quarter, and now shooting threes, steph curry. >> the age of obama, we have the reagan era, the obama era -- >> i think obama has an enormous investment in the 2016 presidential campaign because he could be franklin roosevelt and change things permanently or he could be woodrow wilson and within two or three years have an amazing part -- >> look, ronald reagan needed h.w. bush to win that third term. barack obama needs hillary clinton for the same thing. i have a little fun thing for everybody here. it's on superpacs. one backing carly fiorina had to change its name from carly for america to carly for america. are you confused? i'll explain. according to federal election rules, a superpac's name cannot include the name of the candidate that they support. jewish americans group supporting ted cruz called jews for cruz and had to change their name, too. carly became this conservative, you a then tim, responsive

leadership for you, and for america. you can be an acronym, just not the name. pretty clever. we thought we'd offer suggestions for candidates who are trying to abide by the letter but not the spirit. can't use jews for cruz how about jews for conservative republicans understanding zionism for america. i think we'll see that. hillary clinton, want to rename your superpac. here is a lady loving america rallying for you for america. you might like this one. marco rubio, the easy one, making america really conservative okay? for america. the absurdity of the fec. it is our campaign finance laws. at least you guys provided the laughter for that. i appreciate that. that's all for today. we'll be back next week because if it's sunday, it's "meet the press. press."

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