kalif's story. in the new yorker titled "before the law." a boy accused of taking a backpack. the courts took the next three years of his life. this is not the country we're supposed to have. that's it for the cycle. now with ari melber starts right now. >> we begin with breaking news on two fronts right now. gene palmer the corrections officer accused with providing mattcontraband. and nbc universal announcing today it has broken ties with businessman and now republican presidential candidate donald trump in response to comments he made about mexican immigrants in the speech announcing his campaign. >> when mexico sends their people they are not sending their best. they are sending people that have lots of problems and they

are bringing those problems with us. they are bringing drugs, they are bringing crime. they are rapists and some i assume are good people. >> nbc universal's official statement today says quote, at nbc, respect and dignify forty are corner stones for our values. due to recent statements by donald trump nbc universal is ending its business relationship with mr. trump. to that end, the annual miss u u.s.a. and miss universe pageants will ono longer air on nbc. nbc universal is the parent company of msnbc. we want to play trump now who offered this reaction in chicago today. >> well i think nbc, frankly, you know, aye had a great relationship with them. they didn't want me to run because they wanted to do the apprentice.

as you know they renewed the apprentice. but i just told them i couldn't not do because i'm running. and as long as i'm running for president they were not happy with it. they wanted me to do the apprentice. and now with my statements on immigration, which happened to be correct they are going take a different stance and that is okay. whatever they want to do is okay with me. i've had a lot of great relationship with nbc. i think as far as ending the relationship, i have do that. because my view on immigration is much different than the people at nbc. >> joining me now for political analysis of this breaking story is msnbc's jane tim who interviewed donald trump recently as he was preparing his campaign. and sam stein. good day to you both. what is happening to donald trump as the candidate? and for people following the politics of the story, does this suggest he sees himself as the serious candidate. >> donald trump is never going to play by the rules here and every time he puts out a

statement like, either the letter to univision last week. or this statement by the way nbc is weak and my statements are correct he's not playing by the rules of politics which are to offend the least amount of people you can, particularly the people you work with. but e sees himself as the serious candidate and the polls too. but it is still really early in the campaign. there is definitely a gawker effect here. >> sam what do you make of that? i would say the polls don't mean much here. we know that herman cain and rudy giuliani and others have had early leads in the polls. but for people who thought that essentially donald trump only wanted do this to make more money, quote unquote, this would seem to be a development that would cut against his bottom line, at least in the short-term. >> there is no way to quantify what this development is because while he is losing his relationship with nbc, he certainly is demanding the media

spotlight in no ways no other republican candidate has been able to do. the polls as you mentioned ari are totally meaningless. if wear going to focus on the polls and show him surging to second place in new hampshire we can't ignore the polls that show him continuously to be the most reviled candidate as well. this is an ingenius entertainer, someone who knows exactly how to command a media spotlight and he's doing it really well right now but possibly to the detriment of the republican party. he is undermining the republican party with the the comments he's making about immigrants. there is no other way around it. >> and what do you think of the actual point of the controversy, which is he comes out to announce his campaign and is incredibly disrespectful and inaccurate about a large number

of people. >> this is exactly what the gop was saying. we're noingth not going to do this next election because this is what loses elections. he doesn't really want to play with the gop. he's running on that campaign because it is the crowded field and maybe some of his views fit in well this. but he's not beholden to the party. he's not planning on using anyone's money but his own and doesn't care who he offends. and with the gawker effect. the people just out to see what crazy things is he going to say, that's what gets the crowd out. i reached out to a lot of people who supported him. and what is it about him that you think would make a great president? and actually i want to see if he's going to engage with me chat with me. these aren't really real supporter. it is the crazy statements getting people to these events. >> and sam isn't that the whole point? we've seen this tendency increase in recent years of

people who are essentially using the primary process and the media's incessant coverage to enrich themselves or get attention when they want to run. trump was doing this you might say earlier than others. i don't think he's a serious presidential candidate now or has ever in the past several cycles when he claimed to run and never did the real things that real candidates do? is there this is just the meshing of reality tv and presidential politics. and, you know, in some respects we're complicit in it because we're e leading our show with it. but on the other hand it is incredibly entertaining. and something that we can't help but watch. if only because the truth of the matter is as uncomfortable as it is to say that his comments his nasty comments about mexican immigrants are shared. it is a sentiment that is shared by a portion of the electorate. and he's appealing to that portion in ways no other presidential candidate can and will even dare to do. so that is what's boosting him

up in places like new hampshire and maybe iowa. but there is great limitations to it. and it is not entirely clear to me or anyone else whether actually donald trump wants to be president or where there is a freak show vanity project. so yes it is a fun thing to watch but also a little frightening too. >> thanks for joining us on this political story. the or big news development we're watching this hour gene palmer, the corrections officer accused of providing the prison escapees richard matt and david sweat with tools and other continue band is now making his first court appearance. palmer was arrested and charged last week. he became the second prison employee arrested. mitchell was the first, charged with smuggling tool swoos the prison that aided that escape.

and palmer accuse of giving. screwdrivers, and --. he also gave them access to cat walk electrical boxes and handed over the frozen hamburger meat which we now know mitchell reportedly hid in the tools used in their escape. palmer saying he had no knowledge of their escape plan. >> he passed a polygraph plan. and the dea madea made mention of that yesterday. he had no knowledge of the escape plan. >> sweat was shot twice and taken into the custody in new york about a mile shy of the canadian boarder. two days after matt was shot and killed in new york. sweat being held in protective custody at albany medical center. this morning his condition was updated from critical to serious. i'm joined by adam reiss in constable new york.

what can you tell us? >> 58 years old. 28 years as the guard at the facility. it was a plum job for him. and just amazing what he told authorities. that he allowed sweat access to the cat walk behind the cell. he gave them the tools and the hamburger meat, paint and paint brushes. gave them access to the electrical box and he even traded pliers and screwdrivers for some of richard matt's art work. he know matt was an accomplished artist in the jail. and when they asked him did you know they are going to escape and he said no. i'm standing here where sweat was apprehended. he made a move back into the woods when sergeant cook came up upon him as he was jogging. he called him over. he made a run. he shot him twice in the torso.

he is now in serious condition. the da has lots of questions for him. once he's discharged he'll be charged with escape and first degree and burglary. ari. >> and adam what more might we learn through the appearance today? and what else can they get out of him? >> reporter: it is possible he may wave this hearing but he pled not guilty. he posted bail. he said he didn't know anything about the escape plans and that art work he did get from matt we're told by the authorities he burned that art work. one other note what we learned from governor cuomo about the escape escape. we learned they were going to go to mexico. had joist mitchell been the when they came out of the manhole, they would have gone to mexico. since she didn't show they started to make their way to canada. and as they were making their way apparently 49-year-old richard matt could not keep up

with sweat. so sweat went ahead as he left matt behind about five days ago. >> thank you for your reporting. for more we go to former assistant director of the u.s. marshals and former fbi agent ken van zandt. arthur. >> until they got out of the danger area. i think once matt got sick had dysentery, that it was just a matter of time before they split up. and it looks like the last confirmed time we had them together is actually about 10 days ago, 8 days ago when the dna tested positive in that cabin in dannemora. >> on the issue with this prison contraband. people have issue from the movies and the tv shows and

black market of fakesolks trading all sorts of stuff but there is a big difference here. >> yeah i find it very odd that the guard said that he didn't know anything about the escape plans yet he's actually providing escape tools to the inmates. so he might not have known exactly what day they were going leave the facility. but if you are supplying tools to inmates, then what are they doing with the tools? >> and these two men became very quickly some of the most famous and wanted men in america, i don't think that is hypoably when you look hyperablybole when you look at this. what have you learned now about these two individuals? >> we're continuing to interview these guys. we know these are two manipulative psychopaths and one of the things we know about psychopaths is that they work very hard to gather people to do

their bidding. they spend a lot of time trying to confirm people to their will. and i playing against him right now. as a profiler we've helped to develop negotiation or interview strategies on individuals like him. and what you do is play to him. just like you just said. david sweat, you are the brightest bulb on the christmas tree. nobody has ever pulled this off anything like you. i'm just amaze edd we all sate here and we all want to learn from you. and this guy won't be able to resist talking. we've gone back and forth, will he talk or not talk. but he has two things to gain. number one it suits his ego to be able to talk about it. and number two, there are little things they can offer him inside the prison. cell clothing, food. he's not going back to an honors wing or inning like that. but he is going to make the best deal for himself that he can bar anybody else. and part of that deal may be

when the fbi is inside this prison now looking at stories that there were drugs being sold and passed back and forth. he may be able to help on that. if he can, that is going to break that prison wide open. >> that is a lot of authorities are hoping as people look at what can be prevented next time the there was anything systemic here. thank you both for your time. after the break we have another big story. the supreme court delivering a blow to the obama administration today, blocking the president's power plant regulations. and also a new abortion decision you want to hear about. and the government closeing banks, restricting cash withdrawals and a later a string of fires on the heels of that racially motivated shooting in charleston. all that ahead on "now." when you travel, we help you make all kinds of connections. connections you almost miss. and ones you never thought you'd make.

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we turn to some breaking news of the supreme court. in just the last hour the high court put a hold on lower court rulings that would force all but nine abortion clinics in texas to close that. means the clinics will stay open for now until the court decides whether to hear a full appeal. and all this hours after the supreme court term ended this morning with a bang, striking a blow against gerrymandering dialing back one of president obama's environmental programs and okaying some controversial procedures for capital punishment. all capping off the busy term that we've been covering. big victory for the administration. this saves for the second time the obamacare law. it will go forward. >> the affordable care act is

here to stay. >> the most shocking news out of supreme court was not the ruling on the affordable care act. the roberts court ruled that the texas department of housing was guilty of housing discrimination. >> this is by all accounts a historic day. huge cheers applause celebrations here. americans, regardless of sexual orientation entitled to those equal rights and using the 14th amendment to expand it. a historic precedent likely to last generations to come. >> not only a -- [inaudible]. >> the supreme court issuing another major decision. the justices upholding the use of a controversial drug used in lethal injection. >> and a set back in epa in efforts to control pollution from older power plants. the supreme court said the epa is wrong. >> set up to draw congressional districts in arizona. >> and big victory from people who wanted to take power from

the politicians in the incumbent racket and found some fair are more independent way to create the districts. >> that's what we've been busy covering. the court addressing big debates and some analysts saying it's done so by nudging to the left. if gay marriage succeeds for example, it won't be a victory for one ideological position anymore man that court's decision for marriage between races. within a generation no political party supports restricting marriage by race now. and they cite the very case suggesting a similar thing with same sex marriage. joining me now a special panel.

welcome to all of you. emily, your thoughts on whether this has been a term that is more universal than ideological. >> i would argue as a pretty ideological term actually. you know the justices often try to use the language of law to distance themselves from ideology. but when you look at these big socially divisive cases we have often seen a 5-4 split along ideological lines. and in the end these are choices about values that the justices are making. >> to that point, i want to go to butter to burt. you are saying it is breaking ideological. on some of the numbers, on 5-4 cases before today the leading was breyer and society hightomayorsotomayor. and. >> liberals have been writing wrig the cases but kennedy has

been opening the door. we could just as easily have said kennedy did this instead of the supreme court did. kennedy did this. kennedy -- he is the swing five-four vote in so many of these cases. so when it sounds like liberals is speaking kennedy has moved a little bit to the left. when it sounds like conservatives are speaking kennedy has moved a little to the right but the suggestion that the whole court is moving i think overlooks the fact that it is kennedy doing most of the move move. >> he is sort of the threshold actor. and does that mean gay marriage is still divisive. >> you can't put something above politics just by having a supreme court ruling. row v. wade was supposed to put that to bed but we're still speaking of it. and when the opinion shifts it

is going to be minority view. on the other hand what happens with gay marriage with churches religious institution, catholic charities which aren't strictly houses of worship but perform fundamentally a religious function. how is this going to be used against them if it is in a way that the civil rights laws were used against bob jones university to for example pull their tax exemption. >> and on this breaking news on texas aborks clinics. we can't read too much into what is essentially a temporary step. but it is not i don't think an expected one. your thoughts. >> well the court is opting for the status quo in texas, which is about 16 or so abortion clinics throughout the state remaining open. a fraction of the number that used to be open. and essentially you are right this is a temporary move to keep these clinics open in texas while the court and the court system figures whether to uphold a texas law that would close the

number of clinics in texas, take it down to about eight or nine. >> and burt i want to also turn. we have so much to talk about, to lethal injection. justice sotomayor in dissent today, saying under the court's rule it wouldn't matter whether the state intended to use this controversial drug or have petitioners drawn and quartered, slowly tortured to death or actually burned at the steak. >> i would take the burned at the stake case for a contingent fee. i would win that case. >> what do you mean by that? >> i hyperbole. obviously what she's saying is that the reasoning in the majority is so thin that it would cover virtually any kind of execution. but of course if it were applied to any kind of execution they would change the reasoning. >> and a big part of that though

is this debate we're having. the rear guard challenge to capital punishment. which is very dwasive. a lot of americans are in a position where they think sometimes it is necessary. but you show them how it works, that it can be racist in result and cruel in application. and some of that waivers. and yet these conservatives with what they considered a rear guard attack on the drugs. >> i do think the rear guard attack is not why people are against it. i'm fervently against the death penalty but the drugs are not the issue. there are some issues where people have suffered but i think in general the lethal injection, the problem is not that it's painful. the problem is that you are killing a human being. and that is in fact the objection people who are bringing these cases have. they are not saying what about that guillotine? that is not what they are advocateing for because fundamentally they are against the death penalty. and it is fairer in a way for

the court to say look, we're not going to take this down on a technicality. fine, use the guillotine. but you shouldn't just pre pretextualliual against the death penalty buzz because of a particular drug being used. that is actually a fair ruling. >> the question as defined was about how do you do this thing? not weather to do it at all. and you have of course justice ginsburg and breyer saying we should look at the whole thing. i want to keep moving because we promised our viewers a wrap of the whole term emily. so the other big case today, gerrymandering. fascinating again i don't think there is a left or right view. voters think it is totally crazy to let politicians draw their own districts to help themselves. and justice ginsburg saying yeah if a state wants to make

that more independent they can do it. >> to me this is fundamentally about the balance of political power. allowing independent bipartisan commissions to redraw lines for congressional districts often means less gerrymandering just as you are saying. so for super partisan politicians that is a loss. in this case we saw the conservatives on the court asking for a more literal reading of the constitutional use of the word "legislature." that was what legally at issue here because the constitution gives the power to the legislature to decide the time place and manner of redistricting. so there was a five to four split. as burt was saying it was the liberals plus kennedy who were on the winning side this time. >> and burt to me it seems if you want to just step away from the law it seems so shocking that you can find four votes even in dissent here. because gerrymandering is ridiculous. >> but this is not about whether

gerrymandering is or is not a good idea. this is about how you read the constitution. that is why this case is hugely important as emily says as a political case but it is also a methodological case because the conservatives insist that you read the constitution essentially literally and you freeze it back in the revolutionary period. so whatever it meant then it meansen ennow. and an after ma to them is a living constitution. nobody knew what kind of initiative and referendum existed in 1788. >> exactly. >> and the petition clause being expanding for these direct referendums that certainly were not popular in the era. this segment was worth well more than arn hour of law school. thank you all for joining us. i appreciate it. it was fun. coming up. u.s. stocks have the worst day of the year.

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. he's the father i've always known. the grandfather my children love and adore. and the vice president our nation needs. so tonight mr. chairman it is my great honor to place into nomination for the office of vice president of the united states my father my hero joe biden. >> that was the late bo biden introducing his father at the 2012 democratic convention. today the "wall street journal"s

are reporting that before his death last month bo biden encouraged his father to get into the 2016 race. the biden family is going through a difficult time right now. and any speculation is premature and inappropriate. end quote. however we talked with biden just lost month and he tells the journal it is no secret bo wanted him to run. if he does who bo wanted he'll run. joining us now is the co-author of that article and the man you heard quoted there. former south carolina chairman. dick, tell us about your conversations and your thoughts on this story. >> well i think two things are important to recognize. one, nothing is more important to joe biden than family.

and i sincerely believe that politics right now are not being discussed in the biden family. right now they are trying to go through one of the most horrible experiences you can have and that is losing a child. and joe biden has been through this before. and when i was talking to the vice president beau was in the hospital and everyone believed he would pull through. i think right now joe biden is not thinking about running for the president of the united states. he's thinking about what's best for him and for his children and for his family. and that speaks volumes about what a great president he would be. and i don't think we can get to that point until he decides what is best for he and his family. >> what did beau biden say about

joe biden running? >> the last time i talked to beau bide season after that speech in 2012 which is when he said his father ought to run for president. since then other members of the family have been encouraging him to run. and i think joe biden was focused on that but then beau got sick and his passing. i think to speculate whether he would secede to what everybody wanted is not what joe bide somebodyen is about. i think you have to give him the space, i am. i hope most people do. to make a decision about where he wants his life to be over the next 18 months or over the next 18 years. >> colleen what does your reporting tell you? and have you learned anything more since you filed this piece

that's got a lot of people talking? >> interesting, i think a lot of people kind of assumed after beau biden's death that the 2016 wasn't going to happen. the possibility has been foreclosed and it think dick is right. it is not as if joe bide season actively gaming this out at this point. but it sounds like they do at least plan to give this some thought and talk it through. they are not at that point yet. and speaking with hunter biden two weeks ago and he still was hoping joe biden with would run. he thought it was important for his father to serve his country. and still holding out hope. >> and what do you say to the vice president's office that basically suggests that even this line of inquiry and reporting is itself

inappropriate. >> we certainly understand that sentiment. in the meantime hunter biden apparently is at least speaking to some people about the possibility of a campaign. and so we tried to write this as sensitively as we could. i don't think anyone is trying to begrudge the biden family their privacy. when i spoke to dick for the story he said, you know absolutely. all of joe biden's friends and supporters will understand if he takes a pass on this race if he is not able to run this race. certainly everyone will understand. so i think everyone is trying to give biden the space that he needs to get through this tough time. and then if he wants to give this some thought he certainly has a lot of people who would be encouraging and who would lend their support. >> i'm reminds of richard vann cramer's famous book "what it takes" because he writes some of the chapters in the voifts candidates. and there is the heartbreaking chapter he writes in joe biden's

voice in spending hours with him after the tragic loss of his wife and of his child. and one of the things he said you can't really say on tv is something every fiber of his being was quote unquote, screw everyone else i don't care a whiff about politics. and so he's in one of those situations again now i imagine. >> it is a tragedy what's happened to him and after the amazing blow he took with his wife to go through this again with his son whose now close to my age in the prime of his life i think that it is really difficult to come right now. i think it is going to be hard to run. you know partly because when you look at what it takes. it is such an immense amount of energy to put in. what these guys do on the trail is 16 hours a day, 18 hours a day, 20. not just campaign bug fundraising, lining those people up. and i doubt this is a time he

wents to spend schmoozing donors and finding if this is money available for a run. >> and dick i'm give you the last word. the final thought is that hillary clinton finished last time very close to barack obama with essentially a little under half the party behind her. and has served as secretary of state. so the party base feels she's earned it. biden as a political matter didn't win any delegates last time he ran in '08. what is the path for him here? >> two things. one in '08 hillary clinton was inevitable. i think you can only be inevitable once. the path -- if the vice president gets into this race, the path is there are a lot of people out there that don't want this to be a drama. they want -- this is a guy who helped shepherd obamacare through the united states congress, made it law. this is a guy that was for gay

marriage before the president or hillary clinton were proponents of it. he has the character, the honesty the integrity. and i would take issue with your commenter just a moment ago. that is he's got the energy. this guy has got boundless energy. so i think he can put the pieces together if he wants to do it. but look this guy just lost his son. does he really want to do that? or does he want to stay home and help his family? and whichever way he goes i'll respect that decision. i love him. i think he's one of the greatest americans whose ever served. >> thank you all for the story we'll have more after the break. only glucerna has carbsteady clinically proven to help minimize blood sugar spikes. so you stay steady ahead. automated voice: to file a claim, please state your name. carnie wilson. thank you. can you hold on? ♪ hold on for one more day ♪ really? hey, i know there's pain.

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>> greek prime minister alexy teep ras there announcing a july 5th referendum on whether or not to accept. global stocks plummeting from the announcement. how did greece get to this point? >> so this is -- you know, they used to say it's taken a lifetime of practice to be an overnight sensation. this is unfolding for six years. and in many ways because of that where greece owes 300 plus$300 plus

billion and is unable to make its next payment to the creditors. and that is where we are. and the government has said we're done. we're not cutting pensions. our economy has been sunk 25%. all the blood is gone and we're done. and the response to this the prime minister has called a referendum to say he's not going to make this call unilaterally. he is going to let the greek people decide whether more cuts and more us a austerity is worth it. >> americans have lived through their share of macroeconomic problems. but we haven't had anything like if you were a greek citizen and went to the atm you could only take out 60 euros, under a hundred bucks. >> and the speech there is quoting franklin roosevelt when he himself closed the banks

because people were running to get their money out in anticipation of financial collapse. that is what's going on in greece right now and it is that bad. but there is no correlate to anything that's gone at in u.s. in the past six years. and greece has 11 million people. economy the size of delaware and the reason we are talking about this and the reason financial markets are selling off is not because greece itself is such tectonic importance but because whether or not it is linked to the global financial system and it will be the proverbial straw that breaks the fragile camel's back. that's why people are worried. >> not a lot of connotation to the the. >> -- that all it takes is this kind of event for everything to fall apart. and there is palpable concern in the u.s. financial markets in banks. i think it is highly unlikely but in this case i am one person

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between these skint zichbt sincidents. joining me now on the story with the southern county law center. good day to you. what do you make of the reports thus far? and are they in line with what is essentially the levels of arson we see typically? >> i don't think they are particularly out of line. it is just that we have this state so closely spaced together. and coming really right on the heels of a very serious attack if that is the word on the confederate battle flag. i think it is possible. i don't know if it's likely in this situation that what we're seeing is a reaction to that in the wake of the massacre in charleston and then of course all of the promises to take down the confederate battle flag from various positions. >> and your organization has done a lot of research and tabulations of how these incidents can occur. would it be more typical for it to be sort of what they call in

the terror context, "lone wolf," independent, isolated actors or more typical of some group coordinating? >> i think it is extremely unlikely this is coordinated by a group. first i think it is unlikely that the attacks are carried out by the same individual and even more unlikely that a group is involved. we did a study recently that showed somewhere around 74% of terrorists attacks in this country, including jihadist attacks in the last six years have been carried out by so called lone wolves. there are very few organized by entire groups. >> right. which i think is important point here. you and your group are obviously very concerned about these issues but some of the speculation on line jumped to the idea of this could be some group coordination. as you said that is not typical. i spoke with federal law enforcement officials today who said it is early yet but they believe is not going in that

direction. finally question for you. would these classify as hate crimes that would be pursued by the feds? >> well they certainly could be if these churches were attacked on the basis of race to send a message or a person animate by hatred of blam people. there is no question the federal government has the right to come in. so whether they do so or not is their decision. >> and i also want to ask. what did you think of the way the president handled the eulogy on friday? and what does that do to any attempted racial healing here? >> i think it was fairly spectacular. i don't know if racial healing is on the horizon. some people have been speculating or asserting we live in a post racial america ever since president obama was e lekked and that is clearly not true. i think the president is doing what he can do advance us out of a very very tough situation right now. >> mark potok, a tough

situation, tuf stories. thank you. >> thank you. >> that is it for now. the "ed show" is up next. good evening americans and welcome to the "ed show," live from detroit lakes minnesota. let's get to work. tonight fall out. >> nbc universal is ending its business relationship with mr. trump. >> with my statements on immigration, which happen to be correct, nbc's stance on immigration is very weak. i'll be suing univision. maybe i'll be suing nbc too. >> and 2016 presidential candidates vowing to make this issue front and center. >> lawyers saying the views of 20 million americans don't matter. >> i don't think a lot of pastors and christian schools