k, let's play "hardball." good evening i'm chris matthews in washington. this is an unusual time for progressives. political newbies, a time of triumph. the supreme court validated the affordable care act, democrats and some progressive republicans have sought for practically a century and time of equality and marriage for gay and lesbian people that seem to them and those who care as dreaming as "somewhere over the rainbow" and yet, yet, here we are. health care for the country, marriage equality for those historically denied and looks like they are taking down that flag. i'm joined by barney frank and the author of "frank, a life in politics" which is in the books

stores and kathleen parker and perry bacon, senior political reporter for nbc news. anyway, congressman frank, thank you for joining us. i remember 20 years ago you and i were in philadelphia. a lot of young men there, a lot of people there and weren't so optimistic about anything in terms of gay rights and you stood up and said have hope, times are changing. this is i think, 20 years ago. >> yeah, you know, chris, it was 19 years ago we were debating the marriage act on the floor of the house and in the senate that year, the vote was 85-12 against same-sex marriage. in the house it was 360 something to 67 but my message was that the only way to respond was politically was to get our people to the polls to lobby and slowly but surely that brought it about. i take it back.

not so slowly. look at 19 years ago with the house and senate overwhelmingly voting most democrats, every republican but one and most of the democrats voting to make same-sex marriage illegal for all practical purposes and that's where we are today. >> remember mr. dually said he thinks the supreme court listens to the election returns? 67% of the people support it. do you think anthony kennedy. he's a good guy but do you think they were listening? >> not to the polls but to the reality. i do think, you know, i wrote a piece about this some of the conservatives said the court shouldn't get into this. the massachusetts court broke the cycle. we had this problem. we couldn't get support for same-sex marriage because people thought it would have terrible consequences and couldn't prove

it wouldn't have terrible consequences until we got same-sex marriage and the mass mass supreme court in 2003 broke that cycle and they let us have marriage and within a fairly short period, reality beat the prejudice. we were able to show the fears about the socially destabilizing effect of marriage were wrong. >> kathleen, the speed of light in politics is getting faster. people being delighted or not being benighted. >> yeah. >> if you think gay marriage was the fastest thing in our life time to change, including the clintons, the big people, big moderate to progressive people. >> in 2007, seven years ago the president was not in favor of same-sex marriage. >> he didn't say that. >> he didn't say he was for it until president and vice president biden. >> i saw that flag about to come down and go wait a minute, some things are moving faster, maybe not as significant to some but certainly very significant to some. >> well, it's not so fast. we've been working on this for a very long time.

the state of south carolina -- >> you're from there. >> well, i lived there for the last 25 years and my mother is from there so my family goes back for a long, long time. the flag doesn't mean much to most people in term thes of even noticing that it's there but we did bring it down from the capital dome 15 years ago and then it went to the state house grounds and then, you know, there has always been this movement among activist, white and black to get that flag off state property and put in museum, where i think it does belong. but the this event that took place in charleston, this horrible, horrible event was galvanizing in a fresh way because the shooter was pictured with this flag and, you know, most of us do understand that it has been, if it was once to honor our heritage, it's clearly not anymore. it's a -- >> i want to respond to a surprising moment. i wasn't here friday to catch this. on friday in charleston, south carolina president obama delivered a rosing forceful eulogy.

he spoke about racism and called the removal is a modest but meaningful step forward toward the healing. let's watch him. >> for too long we were blind to the pain that the confederate flag stirred in too many of our citizens. as we have to acre knowledge, it represents more than ancestry pride. keeping it would not be an act of political correctness, not to confederate soldiers but an acknowledgement for the cause for which they fought. the cause of slavery was wrong. [ applause ] >> he concluded the eulogy with a moment. the president began singing "amazing grace" and was quickly joined by the entire congregation.

let's quickly listen. ♪ i was so lost but now i'm found ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> well, that was real. >> very little surprise. that moment i was chance fixed and the audience was there and a very moving moment. we'll never forget about him. also think about last week. his legacy is going to be first of all, he's the first black president. gay marriage being legal and the flag and not selling it.

he's not the first black president but this liberal figure the way ronald reagan has been among conservatives. he's moved the country or the country moved and decidedly and last week sort of really cemented his legacy and really consequential. >> barney, how does that sound to you? grab the lead from the front? >> i think, yes, the country is moving well and for the president of anybody else i you can't move a country that's not ready you can't make the waves but when you see them coming, you can help direct them. i think he's taken appropriate and effective advantage of this. i was with a friend who is a mississippien living in the north and reminded me in much of the south, the flag was not a big deal until the segregation cases. in much of the south the flag

came back again beginning in the '60s as a symbol of white in the south to racial equality. i give that reputing of flag significance. remember what lyndon johnson said about losing the south for generations? you got the flag coming back in opposition to the effort to make people equal across racial lines and so it's particularly significant it's finally going to go away. >> you know, our culture i would say is more of a leader. if you watch prime time television, it's very progay rights. it's very unquestioning of the fact that that should be the way it is and yet, if you want to have another breach of history, the 1930s, all those movies we watched celebrated the south. the south were the good guys. they were the noble cause. they were the brits and the north, the right side, the

battle of the republican, fighting at the risk and loss of the lives going down in the south to end slavery were considered inner lopers. i don't think the culture is leading us in the right direction but lately, it has answered -- >> i agree with you and i agree with barney frank, the people have changed. the culture has changed. president obama rather than, this may be another example of his leading from behind where he says okay, the people are ready so we'll come forward and take advantage of the moment and ride that wave all the way. i think in that moment, when he was in the church and singing that song, i think that was a moment that was, you know, above and beyond. >> let's talk hard constitutional development. i'm ready for but loved hearing it, the american people are conservative. they wish to conserve the new deal and when we have a social program that catches on, congressman, you respond to this

like medicare. remember the great guy that said, sounded like an idiot, keep the government out of medicare. what? now we have an aca approve by the supreme court positive review by the court and i would think politics played a part including the part of john roberts. the people need this. don't take away from the people what they clearly are getting used to and relying on. your thoughts? >> he's a chief justice who takes part of the responsibility, maintaining the lull of the court as a respected arbiter and that's legitimate. he doesn't want the court to do those things. i forget who wrote the articles about the self-inflected wounds. chief justice doesn't want to see the court damaging itself and being damaged and as for your point about the conserve of the new deal. it struck me i would go through political campaigns and

legislative battles where the conservatives were posing the current reform but talking about how wonderful the past one was and it struck me that a lot of my conservative friends, very much like dead democrats, roosevelt did and trueman did and kennedy did but don't like what anybody is doing today. >> i know. there is a fight going on but i would rather like them after they are dead. it's a start. [ laughter ] >> anyway, congressman, barney great to have you on the show. kathleen parker great to have you on the show. so used to you, you're like medicare to me. i need you. we'll have more on president obama's best week ever in "hardball." we'll get into it and what it means for both parties and how good things are for the president and his party, there is a civil war breaking out against republicans on the marriage equality issue. they don't want to give it up. what was the line of "broke back mountain"? >> i can't quit you.

>> a better shot in the white house, want to move on, doesn't just want to fight the primary. don't want to. the rest we'll fight about that until the end. new poll numbers are falling and those are for chris christie but tomorrow the governor of new jersey is announcing for president, that's going to be interesting and with all troubles, what exactly are his chances? fair question. finally, let me finish with a stunning observation, i think it is the united states supreme court knows this country. this is "hardball" place for politics. at book club they were asking me what you're doing now, janice. blogging. your blog is just pictures of you in the mirror. it's called a fashion blog todd. well, i've been helping people save money with progressive's discounts. flo, can you get janice a job?

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welcome back to "hardball." democrats praised friday's ruling. the republican field of sweet 16ers splintered in every direction possible. scott walker is so far leading the charge for a catch this, constitutional amendment to overturn the court's actions in a statement echoing the party's 2012 platform he says it's the only alternative left for the american people. lindsey gram has come out strong against the cry. here he was yesterday. >> put it in the platform but it will hurt us in 2016 because it's a process that's not going to bear fruit so no, i would not ingauge in the constitutional amendment process as a party going into 2016 except the court's ruling, fight for the religious liberties of every american. >> so there you have it, lindsey gram real hawk on farm policy coming from marriage equality.

ran paul agrees pretty much and says he wants the government, presumably the federal government to get out all together. here we go down the old ways, ted cruz is out there browbeating the court. here is what he told sean hannity after the ruling. >> today it's some of the darkest 24 hours in our nation's history. yesterday and today were both naked and shameless judicial activism. they have undermined the mental legit ma see of the supreme court. >> sometimes he amazes me. >> so now we got a court that says we don't care about the meaning of words and we don't care about the constitution. reporter asks me about it, i say might as well get rid of the supreme court and save some money. what is the point? they are not a judicial party anymore, they are a political body. >> mike huckabee is talking out right rebellion. i will not acquiesced to an imperial british monarch.

what do you make, this is mindless, it fits completely with my view. jindal, i don't know why he is pandering on this and cruise is nasty about this. nasty. >> they are pandering for -- >> darkest days in the history because gays can marry? is that the darkest day in history. >> worse than personal harbor according to people that made the comparison. >> what about valley forge? about 600,000 guys killed in the civil war? >> what about any day of slavery. >> darkest day in our history. >> listen to scott walker. people -- >> i'm amazed by him because i thought better of him. >> people say he's a brain

governor. 36 states. >> will you say one good thing about a republican and move on? one good thing. >> i love john lindsey. [ laughter ] >> we don't have an hour to explain. >> i like ran paul in criminal reform. i got it out of the way. i'll make this point, he says there should be constitutional amendment. 36 states already have legalized gay marriage. are any of those states going to vote for a constitutional amendment. >> this is a question -- are you going to take back from the states, see that's the problem they are in, status quo. 36 states have marriage equality. are you going to go around through an extra legal process take back the marriage licenses and separate the couples? how are you going to celebrate the red sea? >> we can now turn to national security issues and that works. >> they are not doing --

>> well, listen, i think -- >> the higher up you are in the polls, the better chance of, also, listen, i don't want to say that for -- i think ted cruz and bobby jindal have a, they believe this. it's political but have believes on this. 40% of the country is not all in on -- >> 64% against. how do you pull it back? >> i don't know how you pull it back. i don't know, i think bobby jindal talks about getting rid -- he's flipping and it's ridiculous. you see this desperation and i had never seen an issue move this quickly. >> i know. >> president obama had the same position. >> you see the crowd, i mean, i know everybody goes for applause lines. he's in a room and jindal says we got to get rid of the supreme court. there was no applause. >> when ted cruz gets out there and says this is america doesn't accept this.

this is bad for america. he is speaking for like the guys who are on the island, the japanese soldiers after world war ii. speaking for people looking backwards. more people in the party like john here knows that this is not going to change. >> but does japanese guys didn't get to the newspapers that morning. okay, here is jeb bush who despite his efforts to move hard right, you never believe him because of moments like this. he's trying to move the party beyond the fighting, including internal fighting. here is jeb campaigning in nevada trying to go forward. >> i think now we need to focus on two things, how do we create an environment where people aren't discriminated against, where we respect people's commitment to long-term loving relationships and where we also allow people to act on their religious conscious? >> can somebody be nominated by the republican party with a view toll rant and accepting as gay marriage. can jeb win with that point of

view? >> he can win with the idea it's settled law, let's move on. the supreme court has spoken. >> you can't make the church recognize it. >> yeah, i know, but there is a lot of concern among church goers. >> i think he's become, he's a converted catholic and so religious and such a good family man, he has some credibility on this one. >> i think that's right. >> anyway, meanwhile, the religious base sounds like it's gearing up for world war three. watch this stuff. >> are we going to trade one level of what's called discrimination for a new level of discrimination against people of faith? >> i think now that this is happened, hillary clinton and others on the left will go after our first amendment religious liberty rights. there an all out assault. >> because that's the design,

there is an all out effort here to water down, dilute, if they could just eliminate christianity as a dominant cultural religious and there i say political force. that's the target. >> the under water walrus is talking to guys and women in the cars trying to make a buck today. out in their cars on weekdays, he's talking to them between 12:00 and 3:00 and listening to this point of view. does he think the people and their cars working for a living, making a buck, good people, do they think christianity is going to be out lawed? >> i think some of them do. i think the right, you know. >> these aren't people sitting around, these are hard-working -- they believe that? >> not them. the conservative base has been fed a right wing paranoia about obama and gay marriage and it's not about gay marriage. there is always a secret agenda,

the left wants something else. they want to undermine christianity. how many denominations support gay marriage? many do now. >> let me tell you something. >> he's fueling paranoia. >> if you're late for a mass in washington, you can't get a seat. the churches are filled. this idea that churches are dying, disappearing and that the government is out lawing them is on its face absurd. >> so is muslim and social dictator. >> are you worried about our religion? rush limbaugh? >> i'm not worried about the state out lawing religion. many are concerned about this ruling and thing it's going the wrong way and i think they have a legitimate reason. >> i think you have to respect the opinions. >> i disagree with citizens united. >> yeah. >> and i disagree with the gun decisions of the court everybody should have a gun. i'll talk about it at the end of the show. teasing the end of the show. >> good job.

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politics.' this was cool hand luke makes short shank redemption. >> you had a worker who falls in love with one or two of the men, believes they are going to escape, kill her husband, and then live happily ever half. >> wow, that was new york governor andrew quomo. richard matt was shot and killed

by u.s. boarder agents and david sweat was shot and taken into custody yesterday, the pair used pepper to avoid detection from blood hounds, the same tactic used in "cool hound luke". >> you want to see something funny? >> yes. >> give me chilly, pepper, curry, a lot of it, all right? >> there you are. >> thank you, son. >> i think the idea was to throw the dogs off. sweat is now talking and prosecutors want to know how much help the two inmates may have received from inside the prison. >> there may be be some bad apples in the bunch, and we need to weed those out. i think how business is

conducted on a daily basis will change. i look forward to working with the governor. i look forward to working with the inspector general to make a determination on what changes need to be made. >> looks like senator bob kerry there. joyce mitchell who worked in the prison taylor shop remains in custody and has plead not guilty to charges including felony, promoting prison contraband and gene palmer was in court today charged with promoting prison contra band, tampering with evidence. he remains free on bail. joining us, the latest from new york is john. let me ask you about this, what can they get from this guy they caught and what would be the joy of him telling them anything? he is going to go into solitary for awhile. what is their negotiating strength here? >> reporter: that's a really good question, chris. this is the field where they took him down last night. he apparently has been in a talkative mood. his condition is upgraded to serious.

he has no surgery. they are not telling us any other details but governor andy said he split from matt five days ago because matt was slowing him down. apparently he had blisters. he may have been sick from drinking bad water and also told investigators that the plan was to drive to mexico, the three of them were going to drive to mexico and as the governor says apparently live happily ever after. what is his advantage to talking? he's already sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole. the district attorney says he's going to be in solitary for a very long time and really is not, it is a good question what leverage do they have with him? is in it for him to tell the story which they desperately would love to hear about how all this happened, what help he got

from inside the prison, what help he may have gotten from outside the prison as they conduct this review, the fbi as nbc news learned is also looking into possible irregularities in that prison, as they do a top to both top review. a lot of things have come out about the practices there, employees going out, in and out without being screened, without bags being checked and two guard towers unarmed, unmanned during the overnight hours. >> great reporting, those cows have come up to you from behind and moved off to the right. they heard enough. they got all the information they wanted tonight. thank you, my colleague for joining us from constable, new york. anyway, that's john yang in the field there where the guy was taken into custody. up next, so much for being a lame duck president. with a week like none other, president obama not only proved he's relevant, he secured his legacy.

so fast it's hard to absorb but we'll absorb it in the next five minute when is we get back. what is going on with this guy and his role in the history books. you're watching "hardball" the place for politics.

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my presidency ends in the fourth quarter, interesting things happen in the fourth quarter and i'm looking forward to it. >> welcome back to "hardball." predicting what was coming he hoped this year. at the beginning of last week, however, much of president obama's domestic agenda was in town but everything changed capping off a historic week of victories in the fourth quarter of presidency improving anything but a lame duck. he helped facilitate a blunt decision about race after the tragedy in south carolina and we saw a new bipartisan consensus and then the president wanted senate approval for fast track authority after a brutal fight on capitol hill with the democrats mainly and after a key vote was finished, the president was caught embracing vice

president joe bide in a a moment of victory. that was not a photo op, that was an accident they caught that picture. validating president obama's key domestic achievement after years of uncertainty about its fate. once again, a president and his team were captured after another big win. here is the president. >> today after more than 50 votes in congress to reveal or weaken the law after a presidential election based on part on preserving or repealing this law. after multiple challenges to this law before the supreme court, the affordable care act is here to stay. >> again on friday, in a 24-hour period, a landmark decision on same-sex marriage, marriage equality. >> sometimes there are days like this when that slow steady effort is rewarded with justice

that arrives like a thunder bolt. it's a victory for gay and lesbian couples who have fought so long for basic civic rights. >> there is no question president obama is on something of a roll right now. historic role and the round table white house correspondent for american urban radio network and editor of the the "huffington post" and opinion writer with the washington post. you covered washington, but the processes don't always work. the supreme court follows american culture and obeys the culture with anthony kennedy. they are not oblivious. >> they are not oblivious and concerned also many of the justices about the court as an institution. i thought of the court having its own internal scope and doesn't want to get people too riled up.

>> so the people are for same-sex marriage. yes or no? >> the people are for same-sex marriage. >> and the court is for it. >> the court could have reached into this issue a few years ago. i think it caught the wave at exactly the right time. the chief justice warned that they were forestalling democratic accept tense of this. i think he's totally wrong. i think the country, the court ruled at the moment the country is ready for it. >> george once said don't get so far ahead of the parade you can't hear the music. >> how about that? >> i'll tell you, i know you don't like him, do you? >> no effect. let me make my point. >> somebody said don't get so far ahead of the parade you can't hear the music. i think the court is just about a few steps ahead of most people in the case of the flag coming down, a few steps ahead of the south carolina white people, that's interesting that's what a leader is, you get ahead of the parade.

>> you got to get ahead of the parade. this was a major week for this administration, but they said that this, it's not over yet. you know, they said they still got a lot to do and one thing i remember, i talked to president obama going to selma and asked him are we post racial, are we post obama? he said april, i don't want to, you know, look at my presidency as something to equate to what is it, emancipation, proclamation but he said what i'm here to do is close the remaining gaps. that's what we're seeing now. one thing i was told by administration official over the weekend, they still have got a lot of work to do and it's not over yet. >> all right. >> well, president obama loves basketball. >> so who doesn't? [ laughter ] >> he in particular -- >> that's my sport. >> among presidents. >> he doesn't play anymore. >> but i'm going to use a basketball analogy here. he's the guy on the team that's

not that flashing most of the time. he doesn't miss the open shots. at the end of the game, he scored 24 points and nine rebounds and five assists and you're not quite sure how he does it. >> you don't notice -- >> that's barack obama. i've always thought of him and from conversations know him to be a guy who takes the long view, who doesn't get too high, doesn't get too low and seizes the opportune is when there and knows how to ride the wave. i ascribe that to hawaii. he's a body surfer. >> why do we have this conversation every couple years about this guy? >> because -- >> but we don't have the conversation most of the time. most of the time he's very frustrating -- >> because he doesn't care -- >> he's cool as a cucumber, he's as cool as a cucumber but very analytical. you can't figure out, he will

call your bluff all the time. he is as cool as a cucumber and you can watch him. >> now that you talk about cool hand luke here. >> seriously. how did he get david boyce and ted olson to bring that case to court so effectively and how did they find kennedy, the this guy that believed in the lawrence case and the liberty clause and believed -- >> i want to say something about this. >> one thing he did on gay rights is stopped defending. he ordered the justice department to stop defending the defensive marriage about. it wasn't a big grand thing, as i recall. they just stopped doing it. >> it was a very controversial decision and the right decision for the country and administration but, you know, he has not been, other than that, and that was a big move, the gay marriage victory was a victory for, in my view the country, but not necessarily a barack obama-led victory.

>> what he did two years back -- [ overlapping speakers ] >> he believes in america having equality. >> the round table staying with us. the presidential field for this big guy, chris christie getting in the race late. a late entry that might be a lot of fun. place for politics coming back.

we've got new poll numbers and check the "hardball" scoreboard. hillary clinton and jeb bush are tied up, 43-all. i think it might end up and clinton a one-point lead over rubio against ran paul, clinton is up by four. clinton, paul, 46-42. she has a five-point lead over dr. ben carson 46-41 and clinton lead grows to six against a trio of republicans with scott walker. she leads walker 47-41 and cruz 45-42. wow is that close? we'll be right back.

we're back with the roundtable. april, howard, and ruth. chris christie is battling the poll numbers back in new jersey, and some of his aides are facing charges in the bridgegate scandal, but that's not stopping him for announcing his candidacy tomorrow. among his characterists, is his bluntness. a poll last month found 69% of new jersey voters do not believe he has the right temperament to be president. he describes himself and his

blunt style as a product of his outspoken civilian mother. >> did i stay on topic? are you stupid? on topic. on topic. next question. thank you all very much, and i'm sorry for the idiot over there. >> you conduct yourself like that in the courtroom, your rear end is going to beat thrown in jail. >> it's people raise their voices and yell and scream like you that are divided this country. we're here to bring the country together, not to divide it. >> what's her name? >> what's her name real quick? what is it? >> gale. talk to gale. >> you know what? first off, none of your business. i don't ask you where you send your kids to school. >> i understand that for someone like you, it's never enough. >> that's not true. >> if you want to do is put on a show, i have no interest in answering your question. >> you know, tom, you myth be the thinnest skinned guy in america.

>> if she wants to get on a plane and into new jersey and she wants to examine me and take my medical history, i'll have a conversation with her. >> listen, you want to have the conversation later, i'm happy to have it, bubby. until that time, sit down and shut up. >> so, if you're riding across the country at midnight, you want to listen to him as a radio shock jock. how about president of the united states? >> i love the fact he's explaining her character because he's half sicilian. that's the defense. so that means he's basically running a sopranos campaign. >> oh, my gosh. >> so environmental. >> if you want vladimir putin's head in a bowling ball bag, he's your guy. >> a lot of people are going to be thinking it's their head. >> i'm a proud jersey girl from chris christie's hometown, and let me tell you, that is not going to play -- it doesn't play that well inside new jersey as that poll showed. it's not going to play well in

iowa or new hampshire. people crave authenticity. in the beginning, the first couple times you hear him tell it like it is, it's really attractive. when you string it toornd with the sit down and shut ups, reamy, people in america, the real america outside new jersey, sorry, my compatriots, don't like it too much. i think it's going to -- he'll keep it down, and then he'll get rattled and he'll let it show and it will come back to bite him. >> he's proud of it. >> he said you're going to put my box in your store and you're going to like it. i mean, a bully. >> he's been running for president for three years and it's one thing to say tell it like it is. he needs to be more euphemistic. >> he's not going to change. >> that's the problem. >> my wife, a tv station in town, channel 7. channel 7 hired a big heavy set guy, overweight guy, and he used to tell jokes. after a while, they said, lose weight and stop tepping jokes. they hired that guy and they

told him to change. how can he change? >> you know how -- >> whoa, whoa. >> you know how he does debate prep? he needs someone to do a prep every day, because he's a loose cannon. >> is there another chris christie besides that guy? >> you can lose your weight, but you can't lose your personality. and people's personaliies don't change. >> as ruth knows, new jersey in the legislature are very tough. he was liked for a while because he took on some people. >> washington is tough. there are a lot of towns that are tough. that doesn't excuse that. >> here's the video the christie campaign put out today. >> i know if my mom were still alive, she would say to me, i taught you that in a trusting relationship, you don't hold anything back. and if you're going to run for president of the united states, and you're going to ask these people for their vote, that is the single most trusting thing they can do as a citizen, is to give you their support.

so you better tell them exactly what you're thinking and exactly what you're feeling. and when you ask about my moral compass, that's it. that's it. >> i want to see him up against donald trump in the first debate. that could be wild stuff. look out, jeb. april ryan, howard fineman, ruth marcus, thank you. we'll be back after this. let

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election returns as mr. dooley proficized a century ago. americans want it their way, they want the person they want, pick the house, pick the car, pick the church, pick the vacation, pick the clothes, pick the restaurant, pick what they want on the menu, the bigger the menu, the better. pick the president. that's us. here's what this is giving us right now. you pick your partner when it comes to marriage. you do. you can buy all the guns you want no matter who you are or how nuts you are. you can spend all the money you get your hands on and get in an election, spend it there. it's libertarian as hell, and it fits the american mindset, the leave me alone, the get out of my face attitude. and those people on the supreme court believe in leaving things alone. that the government has established, health care, obamacare, the american people are conservative. they want to conserve the new deal, or like the guy who said i think the government shouldn't get involved with medicare.

i think that's what the supreme court just said about obamacare. leave it alone. and that's hardball for now. thanks for being with us. "all in with chris hayes" starts right now. tonight on "all in" -- >> the supreme court rewrote the constitution, and threw out the marriage laws of all 50 states. >> the supreme court backlash hits the campaign trail. as the movement to block marriage equality spreads across the south. plus, breaking news on south carolina's push to take down the confederate flag. the inside story of the woman who took matters into her own hands. >> ma'am. >> and the pro-confederate flag rally in georgia that ended up in a multicar pile-up. >> they're about to wreck. >> and this nbc ends its relationship with donald trump >> my view on immigration is much different than the people at nbc. >> why the republican party's