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better than that that's all i got to say and i have been very clear about where you are going. i love olive garden. i'm not afraid to say the tour of italy may have 3,000 calories. >> that's just for breakfast. >> that's just the endless one. >> catty kay you have this after your workout cycle. they have the bread sticks. can we play that commercial again, just the commercial part of the -- queue that up for us? did you have one of those bread stick sandwiches. >> we love our friend at olive garden. >> bread sticks are the bread of the sandwich. >> it doesn't beat what can you get in scotland french fries in a sandwich. >> really? >> how interesting?

>> hey a lot of people are here today i will not introduce them. that's my favorite part of the show. >> endless pasta bowl. >> you walk away from the table, when you walk away. >> i can. >> boy, it puts me in a coma. a none secquiter. >> today the governor of new jersey will become the 14th republican to declare his candidacy for the white house. the kickoff will be in his high school gym in livingston new jersey supposed to represent the town hall where he is governor. that's where we find msnbc political correspond casey -- >> what a coincidence she is hanging outside that high school. what are we going to hear from

christy? >> reporter: christy had plenty of ups and downs, we know. that this one he is one of many different republicans, different from 2012. you and i know he will stand out in this field partially because he is never bosching we also know, no matter what the outcome of his presidential bid, he is not going to go quietly. >> if i run for president, i'm not running for prom king everybody. >> new jersey governor chris christy will tell you like it is. >> first off, it's none of your business. >> mr. after his closest allies think he missed his chance in 2012. >> now is not my time. >> many were practically becking him to run against mitt romney. that was before his convention speech went flat. >> le said the word "i" 37 times. >> he embraced ub president

obama during hurricane sandy. >> i did wear my romney sweatshirt to the tour around new jersey. >> it was a before his staff and allies were charged with shutting down lanes on the george washington bridge. >> i was the guy out there. i wasn't in overalls and the hat, i was the guy working the cone. >> that was before this conversation. >> you want to have this conversation later, i'm happy to have it, buddy, until that time sit down and shut up. >> depending who you ask, his blunt person personality is his blunt selling point or worsen my. he won re-election in 2013 by a landslide, winning the majority of la pityity zbl /* /* latinos.

>> i feel goodwe're making progress. >> now he is focused on new hampshire and holding town halls. it's aimed at putting his considerable natural political talent front and center and christy says, that's what will set him apart. >> none of it matters, until you see how people perform under these lights. none of it matters until then. >> but have you no lack of confidence in your own ability to perform under these lights? >> i've done okay over the years. >> reporter: it's gone okay for him before. it's clear christie believes in the power of his own natural talent and still to bring this home. >> thank you so much casey. >> i'm sorry. go ahead. >> sorry about that. no i was going to say that christie clearly believes really so longly instrongly in his

political skills. it will be a real test of whether he can bring that through and specifically in new hampshire. i also think it's going to be sfwog see how heinteresting to see how he responds. new jersey has an unemployment rate with economic growth and nine credit downgrades willie. >> casey hunt in livingtop, new jersey. >> so what do you think? >> i think there is style, there is substance. i think a lot of people were i attracted to christie i think more people get to see the substance. part of that story is new jersey is having problems within the state. people will be digging into that now. >> they really will. also they will probably dig into a lot of stuff that you eyes wrote if your last book where some of the romney people worried about the veting. i think at the end of the day, we seal the hillary clinton side most of that stuff gets pushed aside. how are you going to help us in the future? how are you going to perform in

people's living room in new hampshire? what are your thoughts on chris christie jumping into the race? >> i think in some way, he will be lucky if he gets to the place where people look into the background stuff the romney people had when he was a tier she not a top tier on the basis of poll he's a thirdty, along with donald trump, the highest unfavorables of any republican in the race, among the highest percentage of republicans who said they would never consider voting for him. so the problems he had with the party's base which were less of a problem when he seemed like a winner, now that he seems like damaged goods, those things come before. what he's got is great not just competence political skills he has great political skills so town hall meeting by town hall meeting in new hampshire. and if he can somehow get off the bubble into the debate stage, he's got a narrow path.

it's the john mccain path from 2007. camp out nampb, try tocamp out nampb. >> it's a path that newt gingrich took. he's do debate. go well the numbers go up. debates through south carolina. he didn't have the money at the end of the day to response to the romney attack but there's a lot of stuff out there that people have been talking about as far as chris christie goes. when you get in front of people in new hampshire, they judge you on that it seems. so perhaps there is a narrow path. >> yeah i still have questions about some of the style. i still wonder when he takes thatstyle style outside of new jersey and he introduces it particularly to women voters what they will make of it. i always felt this about chris christie, women voters don't like bullies, chris has a capacity to come across in moments where he is a bit more

unguarded as being a bit of a bully. he can turn somebody off in a heartbeat if he says some of the things in the past in his less judicious moments. i think he has to get up on that debate stage, a lot of! tick about being a politician and the audience will be out to compare him to the others coming out with their cand message, being very careful, being very cautious. he will be up there showing he is not like that. >> mike you are a skeptic? >> i am. i think the abrasive stuff when it first began, initially, it was interesting, it was fun, it was different. over a long period of time i don't think it works quite as. we i kind of agree with catty. we seen what happens to rudy guiliani in new hampshire. chris christie is up there now. sort of in the same mold. he is a terrific politician in small rooms, big halls. one-on-one, she great that is his shot. i agree with you.

the abrasive stuff, sit undown shut up. >> he's had a rough couple of years, no doubt about i. we showed the height the peak of his career willie when he was walking out on stage, he was walking out when he won re-election, he won the latino vote and he actually did win women voters by about 12 13 points. that's obviously changed. he's got to physical out whether he can get that magic back. >> yeah. he was elected, remember a republican in a blue state. all those things that are difficult to do. he was popular for a long time. beginning with bridgegate it started to erode. he jumped out of the national conscious because of his personality. if he can spin that and make it into a positive without crossing that line, which i felt like he dade couple times, it helps him. >> he sold himself as having been an effective governor with a good record. that is also now under question.

>> what do you think. >> >> i think he has a battle forward. you brought up rudy guiliani. he just didn't work hard. he just you know we talked to his campaign staffers they're like well, he doesn't lick to do e like to do events before 9:00. i think anything is possible. he got to keep his temper in check. it's that simple. we always laughed about the gayle thing. he does have a good point. it's none of your business where i send my kids to school if i want to send them to a check school. when he's asking someone in a press conference to sit down and shut up. he crosses the line and turns off a lot of people including especially women voters. i'm with john i think this depends how much his heart is in it. >> i think it's hard to control

in the kind of lights of a u.s. president russia campaign if you have a tendency to sflap dency to snap are most likely to explode. maybe he can do it if he has the discipline. >> we shall see. i think it's jeb burn against the field. i think there will be two, three people breaking out fighting jeb in the end. >> i will give him credit for one more thing, again, i have been bearish on chris christie in the last year-and-a-half. right now he is the most substantive candidate in the republican field. because of the fact he's trying to find a way back. he's come back on entitlements education reform national security. he's done big speeches with substance in them and really none of the other candidates have done one big politic, which he's done four or fit again, that's not a golden ticket. you got to give the guy credit for trying at least. >> i will tell you. i may be the only one at this

table vogt at the republican primaries. i will vote for somebody that will talk about entitlements. i will vote for somebody that talks about how we will save medicare medicaid save social security, how we will save this country from debt. right now, that's chris christie. if chris christie goes out and performs very well and he's actually talking about issues because he's free to talk about issues because he doesn't have as much to lose now as he does before. i'm going to vote. i'm not saying i'm voting for chris christie,ly vote for the candidate i think can save social security, medicare medicaid in this country in the next generation. >> taliban lieherein lie, chris cries tee you hear john kasich who sounds maybe more substantive, maybe, whatever boom.

>> we'll see. there are like 87 people in the race right now. mike there are almost as mr. republican cads as there are children between you and me. >> there are a couple more coming in. >> kids? >> oh whoa. >> the mick jager of the morning show set. >> well there was that story. >> did you hear the mickelson story? >> i did not. >> here it is according to a report from espn's outside the lines, nearly $3 million of golf great phil mickelson was used in a money laundering scheme of sports betting. mickelson wired $2.5 million to a handicaper who since pleaded guilty to money laundering including funds from an unknown gambling client of his from 2010

and 2013. they report mickelson is that client. although, he was not named in court documents. mickelson has not yet commented on the report t. five time major winner has not been charged with a crime and is not under investigation. legal analyst lester munson says the most likely reason mickelson has not been charged is because quote federal gambling laws are aimed at gambling enterprises, not at individual betters. >> any truth to the rumor pete rose was his caddy? >> wow. he hasn't been. they have multiple sources say it comes from phil mickelson. he hasn't been charged. it doesn't look like he will be charged. >> what else would he wire a guy $3 million for? >> ply pals do. >> he was at one point reprimanded for clubhouse betting. 50 bucks or whatever.

the competition, gene some of these professional athletes. >> i explained with the pete rose thing, i don't get gambling. i don't understand it. so i don't understand that. i do know people like michael jordan. you read these stories they're so. >> on the golf course. yeah. >> they're so competitive. >> yeah. >> that this maybe is an offshoot of it. so many assets isn't gambling legal now? can't you go online and place bets on things? why would he go to an offshore? why wouldn't he do it through vegas? >> maybe he got anonymity from this guy. i don't know what this ring looked like. they haven't said. they call it an illegal offshore gambling ring, which means it probably wasn't sanctioned. they probably weren't governing the rules of the online gambling world. they haven't said specifically

phil, they said 3 million bucks funneled into this guy who, in fact, has been charged in this case. >> his caddy is arch leaster, you are remember that name? are you the only one old enough to remember that name. still ahead on "morning joe," presidential candidate ted cruz will join us on set. i didn't know that that will be fun. i prepare. people say how long do you prepare, joe? i say 5:58 to 6:00. >> there is this show "morning joe," are you the host of it. >> i am wow. mica, by the way, you know where mica is. >> gambling. >> south of france. >> gambling in monaco. >> offshore in monica. >> exactly. homeland security care congressman mike mccaul will be here and best selling offer "morning joe" fan daniel silva. he is great. he is here with his thriller.

i'm sure it's number one. he is making a gazillion dollar she j.r. rowling, j.k. whatever. i'm watching the harry potters. i didn't get the middle initial right. is she like the richest woman in britain or the world. >> the world. >> yeah. >> the queen is wealthy. >> basically a pauper. >> exactly. >> there is still a lot to be irond out with iran. is a deal worth saving? i can answer that. we will keep the suspicions out. we will have a different opinion and greece another day closer to default. michelle cabrera-russo joins us from athens the protesters want money for nothing and chicks for free. first, dire straits. >> '83? >> before that. >> how about '85?

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greece is inching. we remember this music from college days. >> man that is a great song. >> news again, greece is inching closer to defaulting on its debt this morning with hours remaining before a deadline to repay $3.6 billion debt to the international bailout fund. the monetary program is set to expire after they failed to agree on a terms of an extension after the prime minister called for a vote on referendum on this issue. banks are still closed. the atms are limiting withdrawals to 60 euros per day. joining us from athens, a very tough assignment is cnbc

national correspondent michelle russo-cabrera. is greece really leaving the euro zone this time around? >> well we're a lot closer than we have ever been before and certainly when you look at the way the two sides have been talking the last several months if ever there was a chance it is absolutely now a possibility. there is going to be a big referendum on sunday. the prime minister of this country announced in the middle of the night, late friday night that the terms being offered to greece and the people of greece were too harsh for this bailout and that he wanted to hold the dempb referendum. he wanted people to vote. because he said it would give him a better negotiating position with the european creditors. well nearly every leader or some representative the other european countries came out and said no are you quite wrong about that. consider this sunday's vote a vote about whether or not you want to stay in the euro. you want to accept our proposal. you want to reform the country

if ways wily the it would help your economy grow. you vote yes. you stay in the you're. >> reporter: you don't like the deal okay. you vote. you can be on your own and physical out how you can pay your own way, which would probably mean they have to print their own currency and thieve euro. so i would say for example now morgan stanley put out a note saying they think the chance of bringing the you're os up to 60%. a few days ago they thought it was 45%. standard & poors came out and said the chance stands at 60%. a couple months ago i'd have said ten, 15 25% t. minutes the banks were closed, that's when you get to an escalation of the crisis, to the point maybe the government has to start printing its own currentscy or script. that's why we are so close. >> thanks very much michelle. >> catty, if i'm living in

berlin or in london or anywhere else across europe why would i want to continue to allow the greeks to be reckless and irresponsible with my money? >> i think this gets to more than just the currency issue. this has been a european experiment to unite europe. for the germans it's really a post-second world war retribution. i think they came into this idea they wanted a unified europe which the euro zone was emblem attic of that. if greece leaves the euro does it matter in terms of what happened to spain and not less so than people thought? but it will suggest that this experiment of trying to bring europe together to give eight coherent policy together to you fight these countries which spent so much of the last century tearing each other apart that that experiment has failed. >> but if they go ahead and let spain continue or let greece continue to be reckless then

they send a terrible message to spain. >> actually spain and it will i have kind of got their houses in order, anyway. so i don't know i think they are on a much better track. the other real concern i think about greece at this point leaving the euro zone and the european union is that moscow is sitting there saying they won't want you. thrilled to have you. they are opening their arms to greece as a country and that power struggle that's taking place on the eastern edge of europe at the moment between russia and the rest of europe there is a when for russia. >> is part of the problem or part of the issue perhaps the fact that euro was contwiev i trieved, it came out of what was supposed problem a political rather than an economic union t. economics of it became a priority over the politics of it? i mean it brought europe together. >> i know, should we ever have had a financial union which had germany and greece in the same house, in which basically the

germans wanted the greeks to become german. the greeks were like, huh, are you kidding me? it's never going to happen. they are two different animals trying to live in the same property and it was never going to work. i don't know what john thinks. i don't think that that union was ever going to work between germany and greece. >> it certainly was always the big question when this was all being debated back now amazingly 13 years ago back in 1992 was the question of there were a lot of people in favor of political union. many more were skeptical about financial union. the political union is you couldn't have political union without financial economic union. a lot of people backed into supporting the european exchange mechanism because of. that it was the one that people that believed in political union were always much sketchier about the financial side and it's proven a lot of people's worst fear versus repeatedly withdrew over time. >> so catty would most brits

right now think that maybe market thatcher was right when she was such a euro skeptic? she certainly got pounded at the time for it. >> i would say most brits will say they are glad tray not in the euro. we will find out when we have the referendum as promised. >> the brits will never have the euro, right? >> we'll never have the euro. . how many countries will have if you're are if greek exits and we see the erosion of the you're. >> reporter: you know i think it has been a blasse sense. people from athens ohio are fine, it's far away. what happened to the markets yesterday? worst day on the u.s. stockmarket in two years because of greece. this stuff has ripple effects. >> for the european countries at this point, though for the amount of money they poured into greece to no effect really that's their incentive to go back from and do it again at this point? >> to try to keep the european

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>> i decided to do something different. i was governor i did. i took them off the premises and put them where they should be which is in the museum of florida history, where our here heritage can be respected. but the symbols that divided the south the symbols used in the most recent modern history, not at perhaps the beginning of the time the symbols were racist. >> that was jeb bush in south carolina yesterday with his assessment of what the confederate flag symbolized as governor to take it down in the state of florida. meanwhile, a survey of state lenls lators in south carolina

is revealing there is enough support to remove the confederate flag from state house ground t. courier states 33 senators and 83 house members say the flag should come down which would meet the two-thirds majority needed in each of those chambers. the legislature is back to vote on july 6th. reports have come out the klu klux klan has reserved the state house grounds for a rally next month a. spokesman for south carolina's budget and control board tells politico because its office revs the grounds the kkk will be able to hold that event. governor nikki hailey reads a statement which reads, this is our state. they are not welcome. joining us now msnbc contributor dorian warren. good to see you. what do you think?

>> it is a whirlwind we see around any issue from this country. i think frankly candidate jeb bush is in line with tom thur mon, strom thurmon's son. it's unfortunate it had to come from such a tragic moment in south carolina with the murder of those nine parishioners at the ame emanuel church. >> jeb did this in 2001. it's a great example. he did it while nobody was talking, i'm governor,ly do it. he did it. florida, i mean florida is a state with a racist past itself. they voted for george wallace. >> he had a conversion late in his life. >> he had a conversion. they voted for him before le had a conversion. >> right. >> i think that sort of leadership, it sends a message. you can sit there and wing your lands or say, actually what

alabama's governor said i'm governor. he did it 14 years later than jeb. i'm governor and i'm taking him down. >> there is, you are right, joe, this is an example by some to denounce what the flag symbolizes for so many americans and say this belongs in a museum and not flying over state capitals but there are many other republicans, particularly republican candidates who have had a moment of pause in terms of moral clarity. >> if you polled those state senators two weeks ago, how would the polls have been? >> probably the opposite. it is striking how it took such a horrendous act of racial murder so to speak in terms of this young killer to really shift the politics on this so quick. >> it wasn't that south carolina was edging in that direction. >> well there have been efforts for decades in south carolina to take the flag down.

there was a compromise years ago, but it's -- >> by the way, south carolina is a state that's undergone any extraordinary state. you have michelin boeing that's coming. a massive plant in charleston. you walk down the streets. >> i talked to them t. mayor gave mica and plea tour there about a year ago. he said the most fascinating thing about greenville you walk down on a saturday night. you will hear german is spoken as much as you hear southern accents. anybody that hasn't been to greenville in 20 years. it's an extraordinary city. i think they're less than 50% native south carolinians there now. because there has been so much change. so much industry going in, that this isn't south carolina even

1997. most of the people that are there are interested in business and jobs. i think this is a diminishing crowd. the klu klux klan i suspect will be lonely at the rally. >> you also have a lot of retirees down there. so mr. people i know up here don't go to florida. many are now in south carolina. >> so mr. go to south carolina hilton head the coast the low country. when you hear it time and time again, so mr. people going to charleston areas around there. >> so this confederate flag debate led to many retailers saying they will not sell including wal-mart. that's led to this absurd story. wal-mart is apologizeing for selling a cake with the isis flag at the same time refusing to sell one with a confederate flag. it started with a man visiting two walmart stores in the city of slidell and posted it to

youtube. >> the rejection letter from wal-mart. this was the image i wanted printed. this is the actual receipt on the north shore boulevard store where i bought the isis battle cake. >> isis battle cake. >> isis battle cake. >> that will really liveen up a birthday party. >> wal-mart is responding saying the worker who handseled the order did not recognize the picture as the isis flag. >> that's fair. we found out certain reporters do not mistake other things for isis battle flags. >> there is a lot going on from that flag. >> that was arabic writing. they reassured everyone, wal-mart reassured everyone it

does not support isis. >> that is a bold stand. >> is that official warm-up? >> it is now. >> i betcha it is right now. i'm sure there was a directive. >> they will not be able rec fliez the isis flag. >> no isis paraphernalia either. >> that's interesting. you know if we didn't have to call out reporters because it's a tough job, i would love to show the flack that was mistaken. >> yeah. >> okay. what's up next willie? >> u.s. officials say a deal in iran is in reach. top lawmakers say they wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pool. marie harp is live with us in vienna next. ♪ every auto insurance policy has a number.

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i'm not feeling like i'm ready to make a deal today, but i would say our negotiators continue to pursue this serious work and will be working overtime to get it done. >> at least 50-50 as it was before since those were the last odds we saw of a deal actually being reached? >> i would hesitate to put a numbit. the thing the president has been clear about is if the iranians refuse to agree to a framework or final agreement consistent with the framework reached in april then there will be an agreement. >> there was a the white house press secretary yesterday and for the second time in a row, it looks like the deadline for a nuclear deal will come and go without an agreement. top iranian fishes are back in vienna for goebs negotiations as hours remain before the latest deadline, the u.s. and five

other world powers are already admitting that diplomats are days away from reaching any agreement. officials say they're not looking to have a deal july 9th. one of the sticking points if sanctions will be removed immediately or gradually and what kind of access inspectors will have at iran's nuclear sites. joining us now from vienna is senior adviser to secretary of state john kerry, there has been quite a lot of criticism of the kerry recently suggestions that he is too wedded to this deal he will be to walk away if iran walks away from the earlier terms of the agreement? >> absolutely. as josh ernest said in that clip you just played the president and secretary very very clear that if we do not get our bottom lines met here, if there is not a final agreement that lines up with the parameters we agreed to in april, we will fought get a deal. it meets the bottom lines and the two months i have been doing these negotiations absolutely.

>> what is the red line for the united states government in terms of access to these nuclear sites, inspecting them what will we insist on? if we don't get them we'll walk away? >> reporter: well, we are talking two different sites here. we had agreements about the kind of continuous monitoring. those are things like iraq when it comes to other sites we at the iaea might think is happening at we need access to we need to have access to wherever and whenever we need to get it. there is a process here we are negotiating right now to make sure we get the assurances we need that indeed we will get the access we feed going forward at any site we think might have something going on there we need to see more of. >> the supreme leader said the united states will not have whenever wherever what is the middle ground if there is some? >> i think we have seen people

say a lot of things publicly. it's not that those don't matter. what matters more is what happens behind me in that negotiating room where secretary kerry and former prime minister is sitting now. we need to see inside that room in terms of access and issues that is more important at the end of the day than what is said publicly. for whatever reason people might say publicly. >> what is the secretary's position on the question of sanctions. iran wants sanction lifted immediately. obviously, the u.s. and some european nations want sanctions potentially after verification of certain sites, what itself current position of the administration? >> the first position we agreed to in april, in conjunction with the iran taking the major steps they need to take the steps that pushed them to a year breakout from about two months today the steps that cut off their path

ways, after they do those, they will get major sanctions relief. i think you heard some iranian leaders come out. these are technical steps. they have to complete them before they can get tear relief. >> all right. thank you so much for being with us. we appreciate it. still ahead on "morning joe," how committee chairman michael mccaul will be here on set. we will talk about how serious warnings are americans need to remain vigilant on the 4th of july. presidential candidate ted cruz will be with us on set. he will be talking about his new book and why he feels gay marriage and obamacare were quote some of the darkest 24 hours in our nation's history. we'll be right back.

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>> oh applesauce. >> ojiggery pot pourrie. >> oh ply goodness applesauce. lawrence o'donnell, that will go down in al's history. >> as one of the entries of worst writing of the supreme court history. >> here we go. >> there is just a writing discussion. >> just writing. the worst in the history. so let's talk really quickly about the supreme court. what a fascinating week of

decisions. you have liberals pragz obamacare. condemning only on same sex marriage t. court overall seems as split as it has been in sometime whether you look at the decision on same-sex marriage obamacare, progressive. you look at the on the execution drug and bpa. they seem conservative. ten one that surprised me in a 5-4 decision. actually a stay for keeping texas abortion clinics opened while they look at the bigger issue. where is the court in 2015? >> this is a really good sign for what a final decision may be. >> which means the conservatives will be looking saying we have a supreme court that's folded on gay marriage it's folded on abortion on obamacare. >> you know what when the court seems to be focusing on the largest possible scope of an

issue, that's within they tend to go in the most progressive direction. when you think about the death penalty, it's a very serious question, but if you think about the numbers involved that's a pretty narrow impact situation except, you know for what others say is the conscience of a nation. if you look at marriage equality. that's such a large, you know coast-to-coast involved population from relatives to friends to everyone who is attending same sex weddings. >> right. at the same the court, i remember sandra diao'connor in '81 '82, in an abortion majority decided flot to go with roe v. wade. in this case she had a president of the united states two years ago, three years ago was scared to tell people he supported same sex marriage. we can go from 2004 forward. i to the the supreme court jumped a little bit faster there than i would have expected. >> i think society and culture

is in a different speed. it may well be the dejal age. >> it is warped speed. >> it is compared to how slowly we used to move. it used to take us 70 years to get to a civil rights bill. just i mean if you go back in time and say, okay now, imagine cable news a bunch of different outlets, social media, all that stuff, how long would these things take? everything would have moved quicker. >> moved through. >> i stood outside the courtroom in pawn in 2004 massachusetts became the first states to legalize gay marriage, we all wondered when the backlash would come. we were speculating people would see images of gay couples getting married, there was a lot of fear about that. nobody would have predicted that within the space of 11 years, we'd have the supreme court ruling nationwide. >> nobody. we talk about barak obama. he gets elected in 2006 and prop 8 goes down in cool in large

part well not in large part but a big chunk has to do with plaque folks who are more conservative on gay marriage. i guess most polls sew than the rest of the country. there is again when we say warped speed, we're talking warpped speed from the beginning of the obama presidency to today. >> the massachusetts decision was 2002. you saw the backlash in 2004 because you had a country him dozen states that passed bans on gay marriage george w. bush campaigned as a successful wedge issue. you have a quick backlash. within a space of 11 years, you get to where you are now. it's been just a heads down. >> so much has to do with the younger voters also. the lineal voters. you look at the numbers, it's overwhelming there. pat buchanon said five years ago, this is lost. he says, when cultural crusader pat buchanan says five years ago, look at the young voters.

they're all moving towards supporting same sex marriage. he said this is going to be well assumed. >> you also can't underestimate. i don't think anyone here does underestimate the impact of social media on judicial change. had the birmingham church bombing occurred at the time when there was skype and twitter and everything like that? >> everything. yeah. >> it would have taken a week. >> every social issue is moving that fast. you look at an issue like abortion. it's not moving in warp speed in terms of people being in favor of more abortion rights. so, you know. >> america, in part. >> some issues are moving fast. others aren't. >> americans are very pragmatic how they look at this. it's insulting when people say we've moved this quickly because of will and grace. no we haven't moved this quickly because of pop culture. lawrence will tell you, good luck finding a studio in hollywood that will show two men kissing in a prolonged makeout

scene. >> hbo, my friend. >> other than hbo. but it has more to do with who they know down the treat or who they know no one is saying it was the final straw. all of that helped. it was all a part of the wall paper of the country. i think if we asked, if we had a 28-year-old at the table and we said hey, look at how quickly this same sex marriage thing happened. they wouldn't know what you are talking about. are you kidding me? it took over ten years for you people to do that. you people. >> let's talk about something zblels you people. >> this morning a new poll came out showing the president of the united states for the first time in two years has an approval rating over 50%. john heilemann, what's going on? >> he's winning. i think you see you win victory, you show strength even when it causes some degree of opposition, he's angered his

opponents but he's won on a series of things. i think when you win over and over again the country, it's like a magnet they see political victories, they get behind them. >> i said this about bill clinton. bill clinton came in everybody wasstream screaming, yeblg at him. he won all these issues. >> then he never won again. after 1994 he never won again. >> except for re-election in 1996. >> he never won in his job of governing. >> let's look also. alex do we have economy numbers? this is really telling for republicans who are trying to put together a campaign to win in 2016. catty kay the majority of americans actually support the president's handling of the economy, this is the first time since september, 2009. >> what is interesting is all

the people are looking at the u.s. economy thinking hmm, it's looking a bit more fragile than we shot it was. it was held up as the darling of the world six months ago. today not so much. clearly americans are starting to feel something is going better in the u.s. economy. >> i harken back to the interview with mark marin. he said i am now fearless he is a free man. people sense he is much stronger about himself and his performance was electric. i think all those combined give people a much more comfortable feeling than they had 22 three, four months ago. >> a. >> a lot of people feel what would have happened if he gave a speech at the beginning of his term. as a counterfactual.

what would the obama looked like? >> perfect example is on gay marriage. we talked about it. he was askwair scared and as craven politically as anybody on gay marriage. navgs, joe biden completely excommunicated from the white house in 2012 because he dared to get ahead of the president before a presidential election and saying he supported same tex sex marriage. that's a question people will be grappling a long time. >> i think they owe him large bunches of flowers. >> maybe he does. >> maybe it's the winds in the supreme court. i don't know when those numbers were taken. >> i always said if i were president six years in in this environment, i would be thrilled with a 47% approval rating. he had over 50% this far in. there are a lot of different factors going in there.

but the president right now is those numbers should cause concern to republicans that are trying to put together a strategy. >> they are no good in terms of their campaigns. in this marriage equality evolution, if as a state senator in illinois, he decided what i really want to do is get marriage legal for everyone in the united states maybe, just maybe, he would have said there comes a time when you say we should raise the interest rate. that time usually isn't during the campaign. >> lawrence, if this is a moral question and if that's people like myself believe there should be taken up state by state and certainly we are compared to

bigots who support segregation when in fact our position would be more positive than say barak obama saying i am against same-sex marriage because i am a christian, i don't think we can ascribe good motives on that front. i think having the guts to say we need to raise your taxes is far different than something that now everybody is framing in terms of a moral position. >> i think if you ask advocates of same-sex marriage how helpful was president obama, they would say, extremely helpful and i'm hearing nothing but gratitude for what he did over time. one of the things for politicians, if they get too far out ahead of the general population it can be alienating. >> what about segregation democrats in the south who by today's standards was racist. do we cut him slack?

>> i don't cut him any slack at all. >> why do you cut barak obama slack? that's a moral issue. in is a moral issue. >> i think it becomes what can you do about it at what time. what the democratic and you should stress democratic when you say segregation. >> trust me i did. >> a lot of people forget this was run by the democratic party. southern segregation. that was an unspeakable evil for which they were all guilty every day. >> but i'll give a relevant parallel that people around the president pointed to back in 2012. again, you can argue this was rationalization, if you look back at the second world war, there was a long period of time where franklin roosevelt lied to the country about putting american troops in europe. the reason he did it was precisely the reason lauren said. you had to pri the american public opinion along. he said we will not do this.

we will do other things. >> all i'm saying is if you're going to compare the battle for same sex plarnl to the battle to end segregation in the south when it suits your purposes on the left. then you have to compare the two when it doesn't suit your purposes on the left. so you say support marriage in the states because that makes you a racist and that makes you better than george wallace then say well it's not the same when the president decides he will not have the courage to speak out on it. if it is a moral issue of top priority then there is no jufrgs for remaining silent. the president can't have it both ways. i think we talked far too long about this. i take full responsibility.

this started with a president over 50%, which even though i opposed most of his policies i think it is quite telling where the american people are right now and should be quite concerning to republicans going into 'ken. >> final point on obama on this pretty much everyone obama's age who is not gay at some point changed their minds about the subject. if you go back to 19 you know '80, barak obama was not thinking about this or never thought, so for the president to allow people to watch him change his mind publicly i think was actually helpful to the general momentum. >> you would say george wallace changes his mind? >> he was a segregationist every single day it counted. only in old age did he say, oh geeze, i guess i was wrong. >> i think there is a real difference, rob portman changed his mind because of something that happened.

it sunk in. >> they can never do it. >> they are related to someone. >> he actually did it well before barak -- >> he's related to someone. they can fought comprehend. >> i want you to look at that in writing after you finish. >> that is about as condescending as lawrence tribe coming on here saying conservatives who once in a while follow the law. >> republicans come saying my nephew. did you put that in the bill? >> go ahead, chatty what were you say something. >> we need to move on. >> what i'm going to say is i'm not sure barak obama changed his mind. i suspect he has been in favor of gay marriage a lot longer. exactly to your point. rob portman changed his mind so the public can benefit from someone genuinely clang their mind. barak obama fudged it and didn't want people to know.

>> that was actually david axelrod's point in his book right? >> yeah. >> lawrence is saying the public benefitted from watching barak obama pretend to change his mind. >> it is wretching, wretching his behavior from its proper context. it is completely torture. we love watching you do it. you are the best. >> thank you very much. >> catty, let's go to -- >> more news other news not gay marriage not the supreme court. today new york governor chris christie will become yes the 14th frub u republican to form ally declare his candidacy for the white house t. kickoff event would be in his gym in livingston, new jersey. it's supposed to represent the town halls he conducted while governor. casey hunt has a look at christie's record. >> if i run for president, i'll not running for prom king everybody. >> reporter: new york governor christie says he will keep telling it like it is.

>> first off, it's none of your business. >> the 14th republican rung in 2014, many of his closest allies wonder if he missed his chance in 2012. >> now is not my time. >> that was in 2011 when many republicans were begging him to run. that was before he went flat. >> le said the word "i" 37 fooims times. the. >> i'm going to wear my romney sweatshirt to the tour. >> that was before his staff and allies were charged with shutting down lanes on the george washington bridge. >> unbeknownst to everybody. i was the guy out there. not in overalls and a hat. i was the guy working the cone. >> that was before this confrontation zplu want to have the conversation later. i'm happy to have it buddy. until that time, sit down, shut up. >> reporter: depending on who you ask, his blunt personality is his biggest selling point or

worse line. christie made a name for himself as the top state prosecutor. he won re-election in 2013 by a landslide, even winning a majority of latinos. >> let's remember something, our first priority must be winning. must be winning. >> he had a lap-band surgery. >> you will be walking around the shore in speedos. >> he is giving tough love policy speeches and holding town hall. aimed at putting his considerable talent front and center. christie says that's what will set him apart. >> none of it matters until the game starts until you see how people perform under these lights. none of it matters until then. >> you have no lack of confidence to perform under these lights? >> i've done okay over the years. >> i couldn't agree more. you never know how somebody is going to lit a curve ball until

they stand in the box of professional picture and they throw them a curve ball. >> he will get a lot of curve balls in new hampshire. i think he's going directly from his announcement today. he is going to live there. >> if he performs well two weeks from now, we will go wow, he's a lot better at this than people thought. >> how does let's look at christie and john kasich both jumping in the race. does it change dynamics? does it continue outing all of these people out? >> these are both two big establishment candidates. if you are looking for an ab alternative to jeb bush both of these guys are serious people. chris christie is as i said earlier in the show. there is no doubt he is damaged goods. she a very unlikely nominee in the sense that much of the base doesn't like him. he's got huge unfavorable ratings, a huge party that says they would never consider voting

for him. but he's a great political talent. he's got a single minded focus, which mike said new hampshire, new hampshire, he's got two things to do. town hall meeting of town hall meeting. right now he's on the bubble. if the cutoff is ten, he's right around 10. if he can't, he will be nowhere. >> so lawrence to the next guy that has to speak in debate. he will never get traction on this thing. he will not be vice president. he will not be president. >> why is that? >> because le cooked it in his very first press conference about the bridge when he said you know i delegate enormous authority. his words, to my staff and my cabinet. all you have to do is play it out in the commercial along with the next line where he says and they horribly emba barembarrassed me.

50% of we covered the bridge it's here it's new york. it's the most important bridge in the world t. other 50% was he's a presidential candidate. >> that it was interest is what is there in this story that tells us what's going to lap in this presidential campaign? what it told sus it's hopes will. >> lawrence, when you look at the 19 20 candidates in there, what are your thoughts? is this a coronation for jeb bush disguised as a fierce competition or is there a way forward for somebody getting 11 12, 13% and winning iowa? then coming to new hampshire, getting 11 12 13 performance, winning there, picking up momentum? how do you see the chaotic field shapeing? >> well, if you are looking at it on the merits then kasich should move and he should move well in the polls. the merits don't always work as we seen before. rubio should do bit better. right now, jeb consistently comes out at the top of those polls the new number two, donald trump is only aiming at jeb.

general is the only other republican candidate that donald ever mentions. at some point jeb bush is going to come up with a strategy to deal with that. >> that's true for a lot of candidates. that's one of the challenges he faces, hoo es the pinata for everybody. there are a lot of candidates whose announcement speeches have a shot. >> does he have to play defense? >> against donald trump, i wouldn't have thought so. >> there have been various disadvantages to stranls of raising the money for the super pack and not doing things over the course of six months. he has a ton of money and at the top of it is a guy one of the great campaigning if mike murphy. >> that superpac will we'll be right back a lot of havoc, opposition research and advertising, they will pummel people over the course of the fall. >> that is the strategy they are

trying to play out. >> jeb bush quietly has made a distinction with a difference. he is calling the confederate flag racist. >> he did that in 2001. >> yeah. >> and in florida, that people they know it's florida. it's different. >> no it's not different from the deep south few look at florida's history. >> he hasn't backed off on common core. >> or immigration. >> he is running a primary. >> that is in the long run the way to win. >> two weeks ago, we would have been saying different things talking about how his spain is in double. >> how committee chairman joins us at the table. more than a million long time advisers emerge. why they had questions about e-mails, ted cruz also coming up. you will watching "morning joe." we'll be right back.

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welcome back. 7:25 on the east coast. more than a dozen e-mails hillary clinton sent to a long time adviser as secretary of state suggests they were not unsolicited as she claimed. the e-mails to sydney blumenthal were not turned over but were discovered when he submitted them to the house select committee on benghazi clinton repeatedly says quote, keep them coming. she appears to cover them up to blumenthal, for one e-mail. clinton asks aid can you print for me without identifiers. in march of 2012 clinton had an e-mail. >> the clips are amazing. amazing. you go back catty to a u.n. press conference and that story has been shredded like twin cities cheese. it doesn't matter.

does it? does it? look at that. you have dealt with the clinton a long time. i guess that frustrated look in your eye t. rules apply. >> explain what she meant. she's turned over all of the relevant state department e-mails and everything else on there was just you know wedding stuff. >> it's just that way. >> can you give me some time? >> yeah is your special break coming up? >> in your defense. they've sewn every word of that statement. >> if you ask for an e-mail with no identifiers. when you kind of say i don't want any trace of this can i have it? >> the meaning of the word relevant. >> so anyway while lawrence is trying to figure this out. >> i'll buy time. >> read slowly. >> in march of 2012 clinton

responded to an e-mail saying quote this strains credulity. we will seek more intel a. clinton campaign spokesman says in part quote mr. blumenthal began e-mailing of his own accord politing a only inments have not tantamount to solicitation. i think any reasonable person who had an e-mail exchange would agree, particularly if there are no identifiers attached. >> if you keep sending these,ly politely ask they use identifiers. >> i mean, we have back and forth a frenetic exchange all the time. >> right here i scratch out the identifiers. >> exactly. >> i think do you have an answer? >> here's my partial. i think what they're saying

about the contents of the e-mail is reasonable. i don't think there is a smoking gun in there. it's probably an indication she wanted this thought whatever it was on a piece of paper to show someone else and say what do you think about this? but look it goes back to the original issue which is the proper cussed toial preservation of state department e-mails in all of the rules and protocols on that were violated. there is no question about it. it was very clearly in vials, so then after the violation is made, when she's a candidate for president, hillary clinton says i have now turned over all state department e-mails, all of them and the only stuff i didn't turn over after my lawyers went through the server and checked it all is personal stuff involving weddings and material. >> that statement as she said it is not true. how much that actually means and

what is the content of the stuff that she didn't turn over so far, have been what we have seen there. >> and we won't know. >> you never will know. >> she wiped out the server which is the great -- problem. >> if you care about the freedom from information act. which is what liberals should care about here that was an absolutely unacceptable choice from the start that she used the e-mail system in that way. and then that she delete it. that was to contradict the freedom of information act. the americans freedom the press freedom, to be able request these kind of documents. that's what it was about. >> and to see if something improper is being done catty, again the thing ability sydney blumenthal, this isn't going back to 19 nation or '99, he had business interests in the country, which he was advising hillary clinton, which was highly improper.

to pass aemtdz around amendments around to other people. probably not illegal. certainly most secretary of states would be very uncomfortable about sending around memos that has business interests in the countries. >> maybe that's why she didn't want these e-mails to be identified with him. i think slightly befuddleing here, as lawrence suggests there is no explosive issue that has come out of these e-mails, so why not have the discussion? >> stop there, it's just like the rose law firm billing records when somebody says oh there was nothing there. well, they kept them for three years and shuffled through them for three years and were the custodians for three years of subpoenaed documents. when they finally turned them over. >> i can't remember. >> the clintons living. so when they imagically show up

and are depressed as a collective yawn. >> you can't know. >> it was old news. >> you were then stopped from saying, though there was nothing in there. it's like this e-mails, you can't say there is nothing damming in there because we don't know what's in there, because she wiped otut server. for me again, that itself the most troubling thing. we will never know whether it's the freedom of information act. whether it was subpoenaed or whatever yuschenko want to talk about. that's a problem. >> the most troubling thing for her i think has less to do with the e-mails, benghazi everything, it's just one more element out there. always hiding something. >> the clintons. >> you know why you think that? because they are always hiding something. lawrence, it's always great having you here. >> i'm surprised you are waking up early. we are honored. >> this is an insomnia appearance. >> 6:00 a.m. i'm not crawling back to sleep.

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>> joining us know now is homeland security. thanks, for coming in. >> thanks for having me. >> you have written an op ed in fox news senator corker of course, sent a letter to the president, saying there has been far too much erosion on the issue. what are the red lines you think are crossed in the negotiations doing america so much damage. >> it allows iran to continue to enrich uranium. it doesn't scale back at all. it allows them to continue to produce icbms, intercontinental ballistic missiles. by the end of next year it

could reach the united states. i think that should be on the table as well. they're only designed for one reason. that's to deliver a nuclear warhead and the bottom line is it allows him to go forward. it doesn't stop what they are doing. so we have serious concerns d. last thing we want to see is a nuclear arms race in the middle east. i think when i was in saudi arabia and other countries, they are very, very concerned about the direction. we want the sanctions to work to achieve a good deal but fought just to achieve a deal to say we've accomplished something. >> can they stop it? >> under the corker bill we will have a vote. assuming we voted down we will veto that. it goes to the house and senate for an override vote. >> what is your biggest single concern regarding intexs what you hear about instock exchange e specss? >> i think that's the other

issue as well the clear inability to access all siteds including military sites, the iranians have not always worked in good faith to say the lowest and then to not to open up the military installations, foreign inspections causes us great concern. that's probably where they will continue to spend in the centrifuges they say and reform their process in a covert way if we can't fully inspect. >> that's in the additional protocols they are negotiating, the ability to write to inspect at will or when military installations as well as the nuclears? >> that's right. any time anywhere. that was in my op ed piece you referred to. if they opened it up to number inspections, if we dealt with the icb capabilities, if we dealt with the infrastructures mantleing that. i think you'd see a lot more support.

i think when i met prime minister netanyahu in israeli a month-and-a-half ago. he's not opposed to a deal. he wants a food deal. it's in his being yard. i was up here with a lot of jewish supporters in new york. they're concerned about the iranian empire and the threat it oppose netanyahu says you are concerned, he called iran and treated her like a domesticated cat in his words. >> let's say we proceed through today's deadline with eget through july th senator corker suggested why don't we carry on negotiating? we can keep sanctions in place. but at some point the sanction regime will fall apart t. rest of the world will say there isn't sanctions going on. we will not uphold the ones in the past. we could be in a position.

>> unfortunately, we lifted the sanctions to get them to the table. it's hard to undo the damages done there. now you can't reverse that scours we could impose sanctions, kerry why not let us be a bad cop, giving more lever annual at the table to impose the best deal you can. i don't think this deal will be the best possible deal. >> let's go from iran to the united states, this 4th of july every 4th of july since the bicentennial in 1976 mike willie and i will go to a dog track and celebrate. >> smoke cigarettes and cry. should we be afraid this year at the dog track? a lot of warnings on the 4th of july. >> i say we celebrate the 4th of july.

i will tell you there was a bulletin out there regarding possible threats, targets. >> what should we make of that? >> well it's a new generation of terrorists. it's not bin ladin, caves, primitive communications. these guys are savvy, isis and syria are using the internet to exploit it and gain recruits. you can literally with followers on their twitter accounts activate americans in the united states. they have thousands of followers, they are trying to activate to do their dirty work police officers we've seen in new york. last week. it seems like every week we are rolling out some isis follower. that's what concerns me as we go to the 4th of july weekend. >> mr. chairman we've had five

reported arsons of african-american churches. shouldn't we be more worried than isis as a minimum 90 threat? >> i introduced a bill. i hope to have the support bipartisan to address countering extremism, including international and domestic terrorism. we plan to hold a hearing on this. we will talk about islamist threats and threat of domestic terrorism. which is the fact of the matter is we rolled more isis individuals than we have working in the department against countering radical extremism. i think that's a serious problem is if we give up this internet phenomenon. >> congressman mike mccaul. good luck. we found out you have triplets. >> and five teenagers. a lot of homeland security going

on. >> i was going to say, that is an issue right there. oh my gosh. >> that's why his hair is grey. >> mr. chairman thank you so mump. coming up next how will the landmark supreme court decision impact the catholic church? we are exploring that collection. we'll be right back. zplmpblts

with us now the columnist for the daily beast anne marie cox and we have been talking about

isis, talk about the threat. you wrote the book. it continues to grow. >> it's growing largely because isis has such incredible appeal across some segments of the muslim world. we're talking of a terrorist entity that has more ability to appeal to angry young muslim men than al qaeda every dreamed of having in large part because it's so successful on the ground. >> we have in this country more marketing tools that can sell people salt shakers, automobile everything. why is it that our message isn't as powerful, as far reaching as isis' message? >> our advertisers towards isis' audience they don't know that audience. isis knows that audience very well. we were shocked and appalled when we see someone burned alive or in the latest video drowned in a pool in a cable.

that's horrifying to us. it's inspiring to some people. >> at some level, you have 16 17-year-old youth out there. >> within we're talking advertising, you look at that time's piece, actually it's more like we're doing 30 second ads. they're doing door-to-door campaign, where they're going in saying your parents don't understand. you are alone. nobody cares for you here. they have been they have sold you out for the west. so much of this is about people thinking mistakenly they will get something that has a purpose. >> it's catfishing. reaching out and bringing them in. i want to point out, something that usually happens in awe authoritarian violent regimes is people who live under it get sick on it and turn on them. what happens with isis is they

are so successful at recruiting people living there can become illusionsed. they bring in new new recruits. it's a sell-perpetuating cycle that doesn't happen in institutions that can't successfully recruit like that. >> social media is giving isis its oxygen right? >> two things are giving isis its oxygen. social media and victory. we can never underestimate the power of victory when it comes to the jihadist appeal. it's a religious impulse, and 60 victory is validation. yes, people get sick of living under al qaeda or isis but the difference of living in iraq in 2007, 2008 is when the sunni population grew sick of al qaeda, they had the marines there, my regiment there to help them defeat al qaeda in iraq. now, the people who are sick of isis they have nowhere to turn. they're under isis' thumb. they have no options.

>> what's the single most effective thing we can do? we have a young teenager on the west end of london who feels they don't have a purpose in the world. they're getting these internet messages whether it's a young girl or boy, and what could be done to counter that message, to stop them hopping on a plane to istanbul and then across the border. >> it sounds sim plussic, but the thing you could do is give them significant battlefield reverses. it's difficult to overstay and i have said it again and again these battlefield successes validate in this faith mindset, validate isis' power. they validate the caliphate. and so you have to deal significant significantly. otherwise, it's going to continue to be a magnet for the people who share this mindset. >> i actually brought you on to talk about how the catholic church survives the same-sex marriage ruling and i have been

told -- >> individual recruitment over social media. >> we want to get you back to talk about that. and also anna if you're going to be in new york again, i would love to have that discussion, but we're going to have to do it rapid fire. 30 seconds for each of you. this is going to be tough. as an evangelical christian recently converted, you have talked very movingly about your faith. talk about why you celebrate the decision by the supreme court. >> well i celebrate that decision because i believe that my faith calls me to be you know, not judgmental of others and to celebrate the bounds of matrimony that i do not believe are limited to just a man and a woman. i do believe marriage is sacred. i just got married in january, and it was a very religious ceremony. i think two people who love each other, who want to make that promise in the eyes of god, i get chills thinking about it.

i'm so happy that more people will do that. >> you have concerned, but you talk about the catholic church and how the catholic church survives. >> all of the smaller orthodox churches are going to have to suvive by sticking with their principles. in other words, not being intimidated by the larger culture. we're talking about some of the nicest people in the world who are now being called bigots and haters. it's a crushing blow to many people. they don't know how to respond to that. what i try to do in my piece is to encourage them to keep fidelity to their principles. the only thing that is going to hurt the church is abandoning your principles. >> we have here i suspect, when we have the larger conversation you can have a larger conversation inside the church and outside the church respectfully, without name calling and finger pointing. >> well -- >> you're not a bigot, and you know you're not a trader to the cause. >> you would think we could have that conversation without name

calling and finger pointing but unfortunately, the conversation has been characterized by name calling and finger pointing. and what it's going to be inevitable so what i'm encouraging christians to do is you have to be able to absorb that. as i said in my piece, the apostles absorbed beatings. the modern christian can't seem to absorb a tweet or two. >> to put into perspective what christians in the world are really suffering. it's not american evangelicals. >> if christians are being beheaded, we should be able to stick to our principles in a conversation. >> thank you so much david. thank you, anna. great to have you here. we look forward to having you back and talking more about the thing we invited you on to talk about. still ahead, republican senator and presidential cand dd ted cruz who is going to join the table ahead on "morning joe."

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we will soon have a new republican candidate for president, new jersey governor chris christie is expected to announce. christie's slogan is telling it like it is. even though his campaign hasn't officially been announced, today they released their first campaign ad. >> olive garden's never ending pasta bowl is back. the never ending pasta bowl for a limited time only at olive garden. >> that's good. that's the ad they ran? wow. that's surprising. >> come on. fat jokes? come on. willie. >> 15 yards. >> throw the flag.

come on. if you can't do any better -- i have to say, and i have been very clear about this. >> i know where you're going. >> i love olive garden and i'm not ashamed to say the tour of italy may have 3,000 calories but it's worth every one. that's just breakfast. >> it only ends when you say it ends. it's bottomless. >> you know what else is great? i know you have this after your hard workouts and soul cycle. they have the breadstick sandwiches. they brought some in to us. can we play that commercial again? just the commercial part. cue that up for us. did you have one of those breadstick sandwiches? >> oh, yeah. >> we love our friends at olive garden. >> breadsticks are the bread of the sandwich. >> it doesn't beat what you can get in scotland a chip patty. french fries in a sandwich. >> we did that years ago. >> sounds interesting. though. >> a chip patty.

>> i love that. hey, a lot of people are here today. i'm not going to introduce them because that's always my least favorite part of the show. let's watch this instead. >> for a limited time only at olive garden. >> never ending pasta. >> you walk away from the table when you want to walk away. >> if you can. >> boy, it puts me in a coma. anyway a nonsuquitter here chris christie may be running for president. i'm excited about it. >> we'll hear for sure today. he will become the 14th republican to formally declare his candidacy for the white house. the kickoff event will be inside his high school gym in livingston new jersey supposed to resemble the town halls he conducted as governor. that's where we find kasie hunt. >> what a coincidence that kasie is hanging out in front of that high school. >> she was in livingston anyway. what are we going to hear from governor christie today? >> where else would i be?

christie had plenty of ups and downs in the course of the last year or two. we know that. and this time he's one of more than a dozen republicans, very different from 2012. but you and i both know that he's going to stand out of this field partially because he's never boring. and we also know that no matter what the outcome of his presidential bid he's not going to go quietly. >> if i run for president, i'm not running for prom king everybody. >> chris christie says he's going to keep telling it like it is. >> first off, it's none of your business. >> but he's the 14th republican running in 2016 and even many of his closest allies wonder if he missed his chance in 2012. >> now is not my time. >> that was christie in 2011 when many republicans were privately begging him to run against mitt romney. that was before his convention speech fell flat. >> he said the word "y" 27 times. >> that's before he angered

conservatives by embracing president obama in hurricane sandy where his state needed help. >> i didn't wear my romney sweatshirt to the tour. >> that's where his staff and allies were charged with shutting down lanes in the george washington bridge. >> i was the guy out there. i was in overalls and a hat. but i actually was the guy working the cones. >> and that was before this confrontation. >> you want to have the conversation later, i'm happy to have it buddy. until that time sit down and shut up. >> depending who you ask, christie's blunt personality is his biggest selling point or his worst liability. he made a name for himself as the state's top prosecutor and then beat an incumbent democratic governor, won re-election in 2013 by a landslide, even a majority of latinos. >> our first priority must be winning. must be winning. >> he's also been dropping pounds after lap band stumming surgery two years ago. >> i feel good. going well. we're making progress. >> another week and a half you're going to be walking the

jersey shore in a speedo. >> now christie is focused on new hampshire, giving tough love policy speeches and holding town halls. aimed at putting his natural political talent front and center, and christie says that's what will set him apart. >> none of it matters until the game starts. none of it matters until how people perform under the lights. >> you have no lack of confidence in your own ability to perform under these lights? >> i've done okay over the years. >> christie clearly believes really strongly in his own natural political skills and he's really relying on that here. and that's what he's telling donors and supporters behind closed doors. and it's going to be a real test of whether he can bring that through in specifically new hampshire. and i also think it's going to be interesting to see how he responds to attacks from other republicans. new jersey, of course has struggled quite a bit. unemployment rate with economic growth, and with the nine credit downgrades. >> kasie hunt in livingston new

jersey where chris christie is going to announce. >> what do you think? >> there's style and substance. a lot of people were first attracted to chris christie because of his style. some people liked it some don't. but people will now get to see more of the substance. part of that story is new jersey is having problems right now within the state, and people will be digging into that. >> they really will. also they'll probably dig into a lot of stuff that you guys wrote in the last book. where some of the romney people worried about the vetting. i think at the end of the day, we see the hillary clinton side most of that gets pushed aside and it's how are you going to help us in the future? how are you going to perform in people's living room in new hampshire. what your thoughts on chris christie jumping into the race? >> in some ways he will be lucky if he gets to the place where people are looking into some of that deeper background stuff that the romney people had trouble with when they were vetting him for vice president. right now, he's not a top tier candidate. he's not really a second-tier

candidate. right now on the basis of polling, he's a third tier candidate along with donald trump, the highest unfavorables of any republican in the race. among the highest percentage of republicans who said they would never consider voting for him. the problems he had with the party, with the party's base which were less of a problem when he seemed like a winner now that he seems like damaged goods, those things come to the fore. what he's got is great, not just confidence in his political skills he's got great political skills. town hall meeting by town hall meeting in new hampshire, and if he can somehow get off the bubble and into the top ten and get on the debate stage, he's got a narrow path but it's the john mccain path from 2007. just camp out in new hampshire. try to win that state, and get on the debate stage and outdebate everybody else. that's a narrow path, but it's a bath path. >> it's a path that newt gingrich took when he would do debates, do well the numbers

would go up. debates getting through south carolina. he just didn't have the money at the end of the day to respond to the romney attacks. but there's a lot of stuff out there that people have been talking about as far as chris christie goes but when you get in front of people in new hampshire, they judge you on that, it seems, so perhaps there's a narrow path. >> i still have questions about some of the style. i still wonder when he takes that style outside of new jersey, and he introduces it particularly to women voters what they're going to make of it. i have always felt this about chris christie. women voters don't like bullies. and chris has a capacity to come across in moments where he's being a bit more unguarded as being a bit of a bully. and he could turn somebody off in a heartbeat, if he says some of the things he's said in the past in some of his less judicious moments, and i think he has to get up on the debate stage because his whole schtick about being a different kind of politician and talking straight he's got to see the audience has to be able to compare him to the

others coming out with their canned messages being very careful, very cautious and he's got to show he's not like that. >> mike you're a skeptic. >> i am. i think the abrasive stuff when it first began, when he was initially -- >> kind of fun. >> it was interesting, it was fun, it was different. over a long period of time i don't think it works quite as well. i kind of agree. we have seen what happened to rudy giuliani in new hampshire. chris christie is up there now, sort of in the same mold. he is a terrific inside politician in small rooms, big halls, one-on-one. he is great. that is his shot i agree with you, but the abrasive stuff, you know, sit down shut up. i don't think that flies. >> indiana, how does that fly? >> he's had a rough couple years no doubt ability it. we showed the peak of his career, and when he was walking out on stage, he was walking out when he won re-election, he won the latino vote and he actually

did win women voters by about 12, 13 points. that's obviously changed. he's got to figure out whether he can get that magic back. >> yeah, he was elected, remember, republican in a blue state, all those things that are difficult to do. he was very popular for a long time then i think beginning with bridgegate maybe before that, it started to erode a little bit. but he jumped onto the national conscious because of his personality, because of clips people saw. if he can spin that and make it into a positive without crossing the line, it helps him. >> he sold himself as being an effective governor with a good record. that's also now undercretion. >> what do you think? >> he has a path forward. anybody has a path forward. you brought up rudy giuliani. rudy giuliani just didn't work hard. he just -- you know we talked to his campaign staffers and they're like he really doesn't like to do events before 9:00 or 10:00. it was a fred thompson problem, too.

if chris christie wants to go out and work around the clock for the next six, seven months anything is possible. he has to keep his temper in check. we laugh about the gale thing where he's going after them it's none of your business where i send my kids to school if i want to send them to a catholic school. when he's telling someone who who's asking him a question in a press conference to sit down and shut up, he crosses a line and turns off a lot of people especially a lot of women voters there. i'm with john. i think there's a path forward. i thin though it depends on how much his heart is in it. you think it's a narrow path forward. >> it's narrow. >> very hard to control, in the kind of you know lights of a u.s. presidential campaign if you have a tendancy to snap to control that tendancy you're under enormous pressure. that's probably the situation in which you're most likely to explode at some point or another. he has the discipline. >> we shall see. i still believe it's jeb bush

against the field. i think there's going to be two, three people who break out that are fighting jeb in the end. >> i'll give him credit for one more thing and again, i have been pretty bearish on chris christie for the last year and a half. right now, he's the most substantive candidate in the republican field because of the fact he's trying to find a way back. he's come out on entitlements. on education reform on national security. he's done big speeches with substance in them. and really none of the other candidates have done one big policy speech. he's done four or five. again, that's not a golden ticket but you got to give the guy credit for trying at least to put issues on the table. >> i may be the only one at the table who is going to be voting in any republican primaries. i'm going to vote for somebody who's going to talk about entitlements. i'm going to vote for somebody who talks about how we're going to save medicare medicate social security, how we're going to save the country from debt and right now, that's chris christie. if he goes out and performs very well and he's actually talking

about issues because he's freed to talk about issues because he doesn't have as much to lose now as he did before. i'm going to vote i'm not saying i'm voting for chris christie, but i'm going to vote for the candidate who i think can save social skurd, medicare, medicaid medicaid, and this country in the next generation. >> therein lies one of the rubs for chris christie. you know the saying about college football scouts. they go out to look at this person and they're looking at this person and then hey, what about this person? chris christie is on a stage. he's got john kasich out there. people go to hear chris christie, and then they hear john kasich who sounds maybe more substantive, maybe whatever, and then boom. >> we'll see. there are like 87 people in the race night wrunow. i mean there are almost as many republican candidates as there are children between you and me. we'll see. >> a couple more coming in i think, too. >> children or candidates? >> oh, whoa.

>> an announcement to make here? the mick jagger of the "morning joe" set. >> there was that trip to -- >> getting late for that. >> a little late. >> you hear this mikkelson story. >> no i have not. >> here it is, according to a report from espn's outside the lines, nearly $3 million from golf great phil mickelson was used in a money laundering scheme for the purpose of illegal sports betting. he wired $2.7 million to a former sports gambling handicapper who since has pleaded guilty to three counts of monthy laundering including, quote, funds from an unnamed client of his between february '10 and february '13. the source alleged he was the client. micalson has not yet commented on the report. he has not been charged with a crime and is not under investigation. lester munson says the most

likely reason he has not been charged is because federal gambling laws are directed at gambling enterprises and not at individual betters. >> any truth to the rumor that pete rose was his caddie? >> they had multiple sources who say this money that was wired to the guy in an illegal offshore gambling ring comes from phil mickelson, but he hasn't been charged. it doesn't look like they're going to charge him. >> why else would he have wired the guy $3 million? >> just a pal. >> my pals do that. >> he was at one point reprimanded by the pga for clubhouse betting. just $25 or $50 or whatever. the competition gene in some of these professional athletes is almost so -- >> i explained the pete rose thing, i don't get gambling. i don't understand it. so i don't understand that but i do know people like michael jordan, you read these stories about, they're so -- >> on the golf course.

>> they're so competitive. >> yeah. >> that this maybe is an ought offshoot of this. isn't gambling legal now? can't you go online and place bets on things? why would he go to an offshore? why wouldn't he do it through vegas? >> maybe he not anonymity through the guy. i don't know exactly what the ring looked like. they haven't said. they called it an illegal offshore gambling ring which means it probably wasn't sanctioned wasn't playing by the rules that governs the online gambling world. they didn't say it's phil but they have sources that said $3 million is a lot of money funneled into this guy who has been charged in the case. still ahead, ted cruz is going to come to the table to talk about his new book and the time he wrote not for safe for work material online. and also banks are

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greece is inching -- we have been reminiscing about music from college days. >> that's a great song. >> okay, news again. greece inching closer to defaulting on its debt this morning with just hours remaining before a deadline to repay $1.6 billion euro debt to the international monetary fund. the bailout program is also set to expire today after athens and its eurozone creditors failed to agree on the terms of an

extension after the greek prime minister called for a voter referendum on the issue. banks are still closed this morning. atms are limiting withdrawals to 60 euros per day. joining us from athens iscaruso-cabrera. we have gone through this so many times. is greece really leaving the eurozone this time around? >> well we're a lot closer than we have ever been before. and certainly, when you look at the way the two sides have been talking for the last several months, i mean, if ever there was a chance it is absolutely now a possibility. there's going to be a big referendum on sunday. the prime minister of this country announced in the middle of the night late friday night that the terms being offered to greece and the people of greece were too harsh for this bailout, and that he wanted to hold a referendum and he wanted people to vote no because he said it would give them a better negotiating position with the european creditors.

nearly every leader of the eurozone or some representative yesterday, the other european countries came out and said no you're quite wrong about that. consider this sunday's vote a vote about whether or not you want to stay in the euro. you want to accept our proposal you want to reform your country in ways we think would help your economy grow you vote yes. you stay in the euro. you don't like the deal, it's okay. you vote no and you can be on your own and figure out how you're going to pay your own bills your own way, which would probably mean they would have to print their own currency and leave the euro. it's -- i would say, for example, now, morgan stanley has put out a note saying they think the chance of greece leaving the euro is up to 60 pefrs%, where as just as few days ago, it was 40%. standard & poor's said the chance is at 40%. a couple months ago, everybody said 10%, 15%, 20%, so the chances are rising. the minutes the banks were closed, that's when you really get to an escalation of the

crisis where you get to the point where maybe the government has to start printing its own currency or script. that's why we're so close. >> michelle, thank you very much. >> so if i'm living in berlin or in london or anywhere else across europe why would i want to continue to allow the greeks to be reckless and irresponsible with my money? >> i think this gets to more than just a currency issue. this has been a european experiment to unite europe. for the germans, it's really a post second world war retribution. i think they came into this idea that they wanted a europe where the eurozone was emblematic of that and if greece leaves the euro now, does it really matter very much in terms of what happens to spain, less so than people thought but it will suggest that this experiment of trying to bring europe together to give it a coherent policy

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with us on set now, republican senator from texas and 2016 presidential candidate ted cruz. author of the new memoir "a time for truth reigniting the promise of america." senator, thank you so much for being back with us. first of all, i have to ask you as a conservative, i have been telling my conservative friends, there's ebbs and flows to american politics and '65, the conservative movement was over in '66, ronald reagan. what are you telling conservatives on the campaign trail looking at the last week and saying boy, conservatives have lost their way in america? >> we had two decisions from the

supreme court that were lawless. on thursday the court rewrote federal statute, didn't follow the text of obamacare. >> in what way? >> the text of obamacare states that the mandates the taxes, the subsidies, they all apply to an exchange established by the state. what the supreme court did is it erased the word state and decided an exchange established by the federal government was an exchange established by the state. that's not law, and the consequence, by the way, there are millions of people who are struggling. millions of young people who are now paying illegal taxes because the supreme court rewrote that statute, because everyone, for example, in texas that is facing the individual mandate, which is a tax, and remember that's what the obama administration argued those taxes are not in the text of the law, but the supreme court now is extracting billions of dollars from people who don't properly owe it. >> but it's the law of the land now? >> it's the decision of the supreme court. it's still contrary to the law,

and then on friday in the marriage case now -- >> can i stay on health care first? would the republicans, and this has been my argument would republicans have been on stronger footing before the thursday decision if they had all been able to unite behind if we had all been able to unite behind a health care plan that the party supported, that the party endorsed and that the party sold to america? >> well look you served in congress. you know it's a little like herding cats. there are general principles that there's a lot of agreement on. the precise details, there are multiple competing plans. in my view listen everyone agrees we need health care reform. what i would like to see is reform that expands patients and keeps government from getting between you and your doctor. >> what do you do to stop -- well, to infuse the market with more free market forces? the health care market because the biggest problem is nobody

knows how much their health care is costing. how much the cat scan is costing, how much the fifth mri is costing. >> what they do now is their health insurance premiums. remember, five and a half years ago, the president promises the american people if we passed obamacare, he said the average family, their premiums would drop $2,500 a year. in fact the average family's premiums have skyrocketed $3,000 a year. here's what i said on the trail. if your family's premiums have dropped $2,500 a year you should vote for hillary clinton. i'll take everybody else. we have never had a presidential election decided 100-0. i'm happy to start in 2016. >> i'm coming to this contest of intellects completely unarmed. alan dershowitz says that you were one of his prized pupils in terms of intellect and capacity. i would like to talk to you about something joe raised.

it is the court decision on same-sex marriage in which you said on npr, those who are not parties to the suit are not bound by it. you went on to say there's no legal obligation to acquiesce to anything other than a court judgment. is it not a court judgment and don't we have to obey the law? >> look it is a court judgment for the parties in the case. but a simple matter if joe sues catty and there's a resolution of that case they're bound by it, but you're not bound by it. that is how article three of the constitution operates. will other courts treat the decision as binding precedent? yes, so might you be subsequently sued yes, but my point is the following. what the supreme court did last week, listen i recognize there are a lot of people and a lot of viewers of this network who are celebrating as a policy matter who agree as a policy matter with gay marriage and

reasonable minds can disagree with that. i don't agree with that position, but i recognize other people do. but i have spent my whole life defending the constitution and the bill of rights. under the constitution, from the beginning of our country, marriage has been a question for the states. if you want to change the marriage laws in your state, there is a constitutional avenue for pressing to do that. that is namely convincing your fellow citizens as a policy matter that marriage laws should change, and changing them at the state level. one of the things that would mean is some states the citizens of new york and california might well make different decisions than the citizens of texas or florida. but that's our constitutional system. and the reason justice scalia on friday said this decision was a fundamental threat to our democracy, is we had five unelected lawyers determine that the policy views of 320 million americans didn't matter. i believe in democracy. >> would you urge the state of texas not to obey this supreme

court decision? >> i would urge everyone to recognize this decision for what it was, which was political, judicial activism, and lawless lawlessness. none of that do i say lightly. one of the things i talk about in the book "the time for truth" -- >> that would have held up for brown verses board of education. >> it was correctly decided, consistent with the constitution, was absolutely the right decision and i would note it was unanimous. >> i told you i came unarmed. >> one of the things i talk about in the book quality a time for truth" i started my career as a law clerk to rine quist, i spent over a decade lit quateigating in front of the supreme court. i mentioned i recognize a lot of the viewers of the show are not big fans of a conservative republican from texas like me. >> oh, meez. come on now. >> how much grief are you going to get for inviting me a second time? >> ted as you know the influencers watch the show. that's republican influencers,

even if they don't admit it sometimes at their state party meetings and democratic influencers. i think a lot of people are listening. and they are even republicans, are sitting there trying to figure out, is senator cruz telling us that we can pick and choose which laws we want to follow, what supreme court decisions we want to follow? i think there may be an unease even among some republicans. >> well look i agree there is an unease among republicans, but here's part of the reason. there are more than a few republicans in washington who denounce the decisions last week, both of them but were quietly celebrating. >> of course they were. i said that about obamacare, the obamacare decision and also the same-sex marriage decision. they were glad that as my old torts professor, dr. pearson said, that somebody took the coals out of the fire for him. >> that's exactly right. that's the whole point of my book "a time for truth." what i try to do more than anything else is explain what's really going on. the reason people are so

frustrated across this country, and this is true of republicans, democrats, independents libertarians is they recognize a lot of politicians in washington aren't telling them the truth. and what i try to do for folks in washington that wonder why on earth did cruz fight so hard on obamacare, on amnesty, on the debt ceiling, this book tells that story. it also tells my personal story, my dad's journey being in prison, being tortured in cuba which is a big part of what i'm fighting for. my mom's story, dealing with an alcoholic father standing up to him, and becoming the first person in her family ever to go to college. what this book endeavors to do is explain the inside story of the fights we've had and also it spends quite a bit of time talking about the supreme court and what's happening at the court. i think this week in particular people want to understand what's happening. >> i have questions about john roberts, but i want to go to catty. >> you have been very critical of this president's handling of

the situation in the middle east. it's an incredibly complex issue, clearly. what would you do differently to defeat islamic state? >> well you know it's interesting. today is theoretically the deadline for the iranian negotiations. i recognize you asked about isis, but let me focus on iran. because today is in theory the deadline for nat. what we're hearing is it's going to extend past the deadline yet again. this thing has dragged on for three years. the latest reports that are highly troubling is apparently the obama administration is now said we're not going to insist on inspections of iran's military bases, and the justification is we would never allow them to inspect our military bases. now, i have to say that that is a moral equivalency that makes no sense. iran, the reason why the world is imposing sanctions on iran is because it's the leadest state sponsor of terrorism. the ayatollah is a radical

theocratic zealot who regularly leads chants of death to america. >> the white house is saying they still want the terms of the original agreement, which would mean inspections anywhere anytime. >> the terms of the original agreement, under the original agreement, iran is allowed to keep its centrifuges. 19,000 centrifuges, allowed to keep its enriched uranium, allowed to keep developing its icb program, which i would note exists for one purpose only and that is to take a nuclear weapon to the united states of america. they don't need it to get to israel, and they're allowed to remain the leading state sponsor of terrorism. under this deal iran would get a $50 billion signing bonus. that money would be used to fund hamas, to fund hezbollah, terrorists throughout the world, throughout latin america. it would mean without exaggeration if this deal goes through and billions of dollars flow in, that the united states government becomes in effect a leading financer of terrorism

because those dollars will be used to murder americans, to murder israelis. >> so what can republicans do to stop it what can concerned democrats do to stop it? this is not what as you know this isn't actually a partisan issue. there are a lot of democrats concerned as well. what can the senate and house do to stop it. >> >> hope that's right. what the senate could do is stand up and oppose it. we passed the corker-cardin bill, which means that presumably any bill is going to be submitted to congress but the problem is that's teed up to fail because the way corker-cardin is written, the president submits an iran deal. he vetoes it we need 67 senators, two thirds of the house. it's abundantly clear we're not going to get that. it's why i fought hard for a simple amendment that flipped the presumption and said sanctions can't be lifted unless you get an affirmative majority from congress. >> i want to get to your book because there's a picture here and a deep dark confession.

ted cruz wanted to be a hollywood actor growing up. and playing guitar there. >> not well. >> not well. so talk about the defining moment. what was the defining moment of your childhood? when people want to get to know you better what are they going to find out about your childhood here? >> the defining moment of my childhood actually would not be what happened to be as a kid. it would be the family environment i was raised in. we're all the products of our family's journeys. and one of the things i detail at great length is, for example, my mom's story. her parents, she had an uncle who ran the numbers racket in wilmington delaware was a mobster. >> mike, you probably knew him. >> my great grandmother, she actually used to carry the numbers in wilmington, the gambling. she would have two nested soup pots, the inner one had soup and in between the pots she would keep the numbers. it was this older lady walking

down the street no one would stop her with a pot of soup. my grandfather, irish-italian, a difficult man. >> irish-italian. that's difficult. >> he wasire irish, but he drank far too much. he was verbally abusive, and no one in the family had ever gone to college. my mom stood up to her dad. and she went to rice in 1956. she majored in math went to work at shell as a computer programmer. fast forward to the year 2000 when i meet my wife heidi, who is my best friend in the world. we meet on the bush campaign. we have a four-hour dinner. one of the things that really struck me about heidi is heidi has a very strong-willed father. he's not an alcoholic, he is no similarities with my grandfather, but he wanted heidi to go to a seventh-day adventist college. she was raised seventh-day

adventist. her parents were missionaries in a protstnlt denomination. she wanted to go to clairemont mckenna and she stood up to her father and said no i'm not going to do it. she paid for her freshman year out of money she made as a little girl selling bread. one of the things that really made me fall in love with heidi was that similar moment of a strong-willed woman standing up to her father and pursuing her dreams. >> does she stand up to you? >> that assumes i ever dare oppose her. >> exactly. correct answer. fine elquick question. john roberts a traitor to the conservative cause? >> john roberts is someone i have known for 20 years. he is a friend. john and i were both law clerks for chief justice rine request. >> are you disappointed in him? >> very disappointed. he is an extraordinary lawyer. when i was clerking for the chief, i asked the chief i said, you see lots of lawyers come before the court. he's who's the best? the chief said i could probably

get a majority of the supreme court justices to say john roberts is the finest supreme court litigator alive. when i was litigating in front of the court, there was no lawyer i more tried to emulate than john roberts because he was calm he was steady and matter of fact. he persuaded the judges with facts of law. >> but he let you down? >> the decisions last week in obamacare and three years ago on obamacare, he violated his oath. he changed the law, and he's a good enough lawyer he knows he did that. it was deeply disappointing. >> ted cruz thank you so much for being with us. the book is called "a time for truth." thanks so much. come back again soon. coming up next how the euro became a weapon of mass destruction. that story straight ahead on "morning joe." the decision to ride on and save money. he decided to save money by switching his motorcycle insurance to geico. there's no shame in saving money.

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world markets are watching anxioussly to see if this will be the time that greece defaults on its debts. joining us from the new york stock exchange is sara eisen. here on set, catherine rampal.

sara, let's start with you. the markets had a terrible day because of greece yesterday. what's going to happen today? >> it looks like we're set for a rebound, but a mini rebound. not nearly enough to make up for yesterday's brutal losses. stocks got smacked down across the board. the worst day of the year. on sears, things were not progressing well in greece and increasingly this country is barreling towards a default and potentially existing the euro. the news overnight, the finance minister of greece confirmed they're not likely to make this payment, more than a billion euros due today to the imf. that's not technically a default, but it does put greece in a very unusual position of being the only developed market economy to miss an imf payment. they join a list that includes liberia, sudan, iraq of not being able to pay the imf back. sunday is the big vote where the greeks will vote on the latest bailout package and many say

that will be the choice greeks have, whether to stay in or out of the gryo. >> not great company to be in. catherine, your piece this morning is titled how the euro became a weapon of mass destruction. really, mass destruction? >> if you think about the origin of the eurozone the whole idea was to force economic unity in order to achieve political unity because they had these centuries of warfare against teach other. rather than continuing to kill each other through cannons and mustard gas and things like that they found another weapon to wield, which is essentially debt and that's certainly how the greeks feel that their debt has been held against them to rob them of their sovereignty. >> okay and we will watch what they do on sunday. thank you for coming in. we'll be right back with more here on "morning joe." 20? introducing nutrient-dense purina one true instinct with real salmon and tuna and 30% protein. support your active dog's whole body health with purina one.

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