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your clocks for 11:59:60 and be sure you make your extra second count. just so you know. now the "ed show" is up next. good evening americans. welcome to the "ed show" from detroit lakes, minnesota. let's get to work. tonight, born to run. >> i am proud to announce my candidacy after seven years of a weak and feckless foreign policy run by barack obama, we better not turn it over to his second mait mate hillary clinton. >> plus gop round up. >> jeb bush is planning today to release 33 years of his personal tax returns. >> i have to tell the truth. >> i like donald trump. i think he's terrific. >> swing in kah ching. >> is phil mickelson connected to an illegal gambling
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operation. >> this is not his first alleged involvement. thanks for watching. more personality just got injected into the republican field today. new jersey governor chris christie finally threw his hat in the ring. >> we have to stop worrying about being loved and start caring about being respected again, both at home and around the world. i am not running for president of the united states as a surrogate for being elected prom king of america. >> christie kicked off his campaign at his high school gymnasium in livingston new jersey. he felt at home today and spoke off the cuff with his signature rhetoric. >> when i stand on a stage like this in front of all of you there is one thing you will know for sure. i mean what i say and i say what i mean and that is what america needs right now. >> is it fair to say that chris
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christie has a combative reputation? but today the governor stressed the importance of working together in government. >> both parties have failed the country. both parties have stood in the corner and held their breathe and waited to get their way. and both parties have led us to believe that in america, a country built on compromise that somehow now compromise is a dirty word. we have no choice but to work together. this country needs to work together again, not against each other. >> is chris christie ripping on republicans here? i can interpret that as he did not believe that mitch mcconnell should have given us a record number of filibusters. the governor promoting a the getting along narrative but not everybody bought into it. the democratic mayor of livingston new jersey thought chris christie missed a big opportunity to preach what he's been preaching.
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he left him off the guest list. >> this is one time where i think a mistake happened. just didn't invite us. i don't know if that was deliberate or not. but hurt and insulted is probably the phrase that's been used the most today that we've heard. disappointed is a big one too. >> it is fair and accurate to say that governor christie has no experience or expertise in the field of education. now, this is a governor who has fired 6,000 teachers. christie chose a public school for his big announcement and touted education as a priority? >> we made the hard decisions that had to be made to improver our education system. we reformed tenure for the first time in 105 years [ applause ] we made the difficult decisions to reform pensions and health benefits and continue that fight today. >> christie has picked fights with educators around the state for years. the governor openly fought the
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teachers union and stripped away their pensions. demonstrators gathered outside the kickoff event to call him out on his record. a schoolteacher at livingston high school said christie had a lot of nerve showing up this with announcement. >> i'm a proud livingston high school teacher and proud of our alum and this is one though that hadn't lived up to the hype. he's really lied to public and especially teachers about their pensions. >> despite protesters lining the grounds outside the gymnasium, many new jersey residents lauded his appeal. supporters believe his run gives a boost to new jersey. >> my family and i are here to support governor christie in his run for the president because he think he tells it like it is. >> stars him telling it like it is, i don't feel he cuts people off. he takes no non sense. >> it is an honorable thing to
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have someone running from our state. kit only be beneficial. >> it is spectacular to be a local resident when the sitting governor is announcing his presidential candidacy. >> i think he's going to go all the way. >> he's run the state so well. we need somebody for the country. >> he is quite eloquent. i think once they get the debates going and see how he handles himself in the debates i think his numbers will go higher. >> we don't need pandering. we need people that will follow our constitution. >> some residents see christie's persona as the benefit. his national profile is largely shaped by his blunt personality. along with the georgia washington bridge scandal known as bridgegate. one supporter says the incident doesn't blemish his record at all. >> i most certainly believe he's qualified because of his strength he has demonstrated in several ways. one in particular the
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bridgegate. there will be difficulties like bridgegate has been a difficulty for him but he stayed focus and still he's running for president of the united states. >> so if you are scoring at home chris christie is the 14th republican to enter the race for president. the latest poll found 55% of republican primary voters said they couldn't see themselves supporting the governor from new jersey. his approval ratings numbers are at all time low at 30% in the state of new jersey. he has an uphill battle but in one sound bite we just played there was troempbsreference to a debate. is it too much for all of us in the media to at least ask the networks to make sure the chris christie and donald trump are side by side in the first debate? get your cell phones out. do you think chris christie's personality is an asset to his campaign. go to pulse.msnbc.com/ed and
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give us your vote. let me bring in jonathan alter who was at the announcement and also jim k keating for new jersey assembly. what was special or unique about today's announcement as opposed to the rest of the field? >> well it was actually a strong announcement. in the same way ted cruz's was when he announced his campaign. it was interesting that like cruz there was no prepared text. but, you know, his stump speech is pretty well developed now and it's pretty compelling unless you know some of the facts about life in new jersey as i do as the new jersey resident. so he says that his slogan is he'll tell it like it is. it is really more like he'll sell it like it isn't. you can go down to almost
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everything he said and the record belies it. and we can get into specifics if you want to. but, you know, what is going to happen with him. and i think he could do well. he will likely do well in these debates. is that you are going to see him bedevilled all the way down the road with whether he kept his promises in new jersey whether he told the truth in new jersey. there is a story in the local paper this morning documenting all of his lies as the columnist calls it. so today we're going to see the beginning of an accountability effort by those who oppose him in new jersey. and i think a lot of people in the press to show that, you know he really is not as straight a shooter as he would have the american public believe. >> well, i think my interpretation is correct. he was ripping on republicans there in a very indirect way. >> -- >> talking about compromise. and saying we got to compromise.
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this is one thing that the republicans have done for the last six years is try to stop everything and not compromise on anything. so how's that going to be received, jonathan? >> i think that actually was a strong part of his announcement. there is a thirst for compromise now. even the republicans are starting to do it. you know they just worked with president obama on trade and there have been some other issues where they have compromised. i think we are past this tea party moment where the far right wingers in the republican party were calling the tune and forcing the leadership not to compromise. so in that sense his timing is good. but the idea of him being a conciliatory figure is just laughable after you watch what he's done in new jersey. and the polarizing kind of governor that he has been. and 30% is pretty low. there are an awful lot of people who voted for chris christie in new jersey and now seriously regret it. and so this will test whether,
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you know his lack of popularity in the state. and it will go up some because he's running for president. but he will still be well under 50%. whether that has any bearing at all whether people think he'll be a good president. >> do you believe christie is in sincere in his quest for compromise in trying to steer the republicans into doing deals with the other side? the democrats? is there any record or showing whatsoever that he's worked with democrats on the state level in new jersey? >> absolutely not. the governor consistently has his reality doesn't match his rhetoric. if you want to talk about compromise, we have the major pension crisis in the state of new jersey. the unions came to the bargaining table and sat down with governor christie and said they were willing to make compromises, they were willing to make concessions and the governor's part was to deliver on the $7.25 billion payments to
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get the pension fund solvent again. he welched on the deal. so you had people that were willing to compromise. democrats came to the table, labor came and the governor didn't deliver. you know, he had very good stuff in his speech today. the only problem is chris christie isn't the guy who can deliver on that. talking about national issues and the economy and recession. new jersey's only recovered 67% of the jobs we lost in the recession. talk about unemployment rate at the national level. we in new jersey are 7th or 8th national in terms of unemployment. our credit rating has been downgraded nine times. we've got an issue in new jersey. as jonathan said approval ratings are at 30%. if he wants to do the things he talked about in his speech today, do them in new jersey. because the people of new jersey elected you to do that job. >> so who is -- jonathan who is his base? who does he appeal to in the
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republican party. >> oh he's got a base. there are a lot of republicans who vote in northeastern blue states and they are not all super conservative. so you are going to get two tiers of candidates. the iowa caucuses are mostly going to be about whose going to be the very conservative candidate? ted cruz or rand paul? whose going to win in that group. and then in new hampshire it is going jeb bush chris christie john kasich and marco rubio for the what conservative maybe lightly is more moderate on some issues candidate. and then you will probably see the winner of those two divisions squaring offer in the later primaries. so christie is running a new hampshire campaign. he's been up there a lot. to me the idea that he was in 37 states last year as he announced today when new jersey is falling
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apart is almost disqualifying on its face. but you are going to see him in new hampshire again desserting the people of new jersey as he goes up there over and over again. he's not really running against ted cruz and the far right candidates. he is running against the guys more like him, the governors, like bush and kasich. >> he comes across as the love him or hate him kind of candidate. the people who do like him are really in the camp. the people who don't like him are like that. and what about trying to smooth over everything? you talk to democrats in new jersey, they simply do not like this guy. they don't trust him. and his record shows that he's got to have to do some real bamboozling on the national scene to make people think he's going to operate that way if he gets to the white house. >> back in october i challenged
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the governor at one of his town hall meetings about the pace of hurricane sandy recovery. at the time there were thousands of families that were not back home. the money was unaccounted for. even just this past sunday the star ledger ran a story saying there are 9,000 sandy families that aren't back home. >> yeah well -- >> the governor's response to me was to sit down and shut up. here he is in his speech today saying he's compromised, we need to work together. saying he loves all americans. we may have differences but we got to share difficult truths. well governor i shared a difficult truth with you. your program was failing. there was no fiscal accountability and your response to me was sit down and shut up. >> it is great at first, ed. it is very appealing for that. because it's satisfying. but it wares off. and pretty soon you go, you know, that's not presidential to say sit down and shut up.
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do we really want that as part of our politics. he's going to try to avoid saying it but he won't withbe able to. >> it's got to be christie and trump side by side. that is the entertainment. jonathan alter, jim keating. appreciate the discussion. remember to answer our question. we'll have results after the break. follow us on facebook and you can watch my facebook feature "give me a minute" and you can get my video pod cast at "we got ed dotcom." and coming unremembere ging up remember this guy? and later jeb bush goes real transparent, releasing more than three decades of tax returns. mitt romney, this is how you should have done it. stay with us chx. leave early go roam sleep in sleep out star gaze dream big
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he still owes the bureau of land management more than $1 million in grazing fees he's racked up in the last 20 years. bundy is now in rand paul's corner. bundy told the associated press in general i think we're in tune with each other. i don't think we need to ask washington d.c. for this land. it is our land. rand paul should be pretty careful about who he decides to hang out. at least maybe sarah palin is paying attention to that. not just the standoff clive and
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bundy shock the country with these statements a few weeks after he got his cattle back. >> i tell you one thing i know about the negro. when i go to northern las vegas and i see these little government houses and in front of the government house, the door was usually open and the older people and the kids and there is also at least a half a dozen people setting on the porch. they didn't have nothing to do. they didn't have nothing for their kids do. they didn't have nothing for their young girls to co-. and because they were basically on government subsidy. and so now what do they do? they abort their young children. they put their young men in jail because they never learned how to pick cotton. and i've often wondered were they better off as slaves picking cotton and having family life and doing things or are they better off under government subsidy. they didn't get no more freedom.
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they got less. >> for someone trying to gain support among african american voters, rand pall should have never met with claven bundy. professor, good to have you with us tonight. how bad does this look for rand paul right now? does he have to disqualify bundy at any level? >> absolutely so. people got a bit upset a few weeks ago when i said in one moment rand paul can sound like gnome chomsky and another level he can sound like gorges wallace. that is the george wallace moment. what i gain by appealing to an antigovernment philosophy that suggests i'm in with him and his militia men because they have unpaid grazing fees and want state ownership released and
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private ownership of the lands. he figures he gains more by siding with bundy than being opposed to his visit ronnic viewpoints and racist beliefs. and you would think rand paul would be a bit more careful in the aftermath of what happened in charleston and the nation's swing against confederate flags and other symptoms in this country. nothing more politically states he is out of tune than his forging connections with bundy. >> this is the kind of thing that can haunt somebody on the campaign trail. he's been trying to connect with african american voters. how far does this set him back in your opinion? >> a long way. there is no explaining this away. and what he's done again, the political calculation is this. what i can gain by appealing to the bundys of the world, i don't mind sacrificing the african american vote that might be attracted to me. i know that is not what he consciously says and he attempts to reach out to african american
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people. but this is a deal breaker. when you forge connections and build links with a man who has expressed the kind of reprehensible and reactionary viewpoints that bundy has expressed, you are not serious about building connections with african american people and appealing to us either as an individual or party. >> all right. now do we cut any slack at all to rand paul here? and i ask this question if you are going into a room and people are paying attention to what you are saying and there are only 50 of you and one of them happens to be cliven bundy and you end up talking to him, it is not exactly a resounding endorsement of everybody that is in the room. but it would seem to me that if this is the kind of people that -- if this is the kind of people that rand paul is attracting, i think he still -- there has to be a distinction of philosophy here. does rand paul have to speak up about bundy in your opinion? as a black man, does he have to
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speak up and be very clear on where he stands. >> absolutely. but you have made a brilliant distinction ed. by appearing in a photo with him, he knows what that signal will be. because these politicians are very, very serious and very definitive and they are also very intentional. so they know what happens when the picture gets out. that is number one. but number two, you are absolutely right. it is not that we have to indict him so much because bundy is there. it is the kind of people he's appealing to and the kind of outreach he's making in the name of libertarian ethic that e shoes on the one hand the big government of the liberals but at the same time you are embracing figures who are very problematic when it comes to forging consensus and building unity across the races in this nation. >> professor, always good to have you with us here on the "ed show." scott walker's budget bummer could mean big trouble for his
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escape. corrections officer gene palmer was back in court monday charged with contraband and tampering with evidence. and the clinton county da says sweat has only implicated joyce mitchell, the female prison employee charged with helping them escape. >> let me bring in adam reiss in dannemora new york. what do we know about these individuals who have been placed on administrative leave? >> now that the man hunt is over heads are starting to roll here at the clinton correctional facility. three members of the executive team including the superintendent have been placed on leave, including nine members of the security team. they have all been placed on leave. in the meantime they will bring in a new team to run the jail. officials in albany all the way
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up to the governor outraged about the breeches of protocol here with joyce mitchell's alleged sexual affair and gene palmer exchanging tools for artwork. just outraged at the breeches of protocol, ed. >> what else has david sweat, if anything, told the authorities from his bedside? >> oh he's telling them a lot. he's told them today according to two investigators telling nbc news that he aeluded police on a number of occasions. one time the border police surrounded them and they were able to escape. another time they came upon a sheriff's deputy and matt fell over made a noise, again they were able to escape. and the night before the escape they made a dry run and actually stuck their heads through the manhole cover. >> stick around. the rapid response panel has the
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show." some folks are now defending donald trump's outrageous comments on immigration. for instance sean hannity, spoke up for him. >> if he can make that statement and cnn refers to it as racially tinged. because [inaudible] could play this on tv floor to sealing drugs. want to talk about crime? what do you think -- who's coming from latin america and mexico? are these rich successful mexican, nicaraguans, el salvadorens? no. why would they leave if they're so successful. >> ted cruz has this to say earlier today. >> should he apologize for
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something he said. >> i don't think you should apologize for speaking out against the problem that is illegal immigration. i recognize the p.c. world and they don't want to admit it. and we are a nation of immigrants but we have to distinguish legal immigrants. and donald trump has a way of speaking that gets attention. and i credit him for focuses on a issue that needs to be focused on. >> other news today from the rest of the republican field, jeb bush is planning to release 33 years of tax returns. it is a move to demonstrate his commitment to transparency. the bush campaign notes this is the most disclosure from any presidential candidate in u.s. history. a far cry from mitt romney in 2012. no doubt about that. in wisconsin, scott walk ears got problems.
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his budget deadline is tomorrow. he wants to run for president but his own state has been standing in his way. the governor promised not to announce his candidacy until legislators in the state came to a budget agreement. >> i haven't made an announcement yet and won't until after our budget is done at the end of this month, which hopefully we'll get our fifth and six year of property taxes taken down from when i first started taking office. >> wanted to pay for infrastructure projects. wisconsin republicans, they are not having it. 33 republican lawmakers signed a letter rejecting walker's proposal. walker ruled out raising taxes to pay for road and bridge repairs. it wouldn't fit with his conservative message. >> we've cut taxes. i mentioned that before but we went big and bold there as well. we reduced taxes by $2 billion in the hoard working taxpayers on our state. we lowered taxes on individuals
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and property. we're going to keep lowering because we understand it is the people's money not the government's money. >> walker is ready to let his presidential platform be crushed and crush his responsibilities in wisconsin? how is that going to play out? is this pushing the clock back? >> does he know he's going to have all the support he needs when he announces? great to have you with us tonight. we'll start with walker. ruth how much of a problem is this for walker with republicans in wisconsin when you know he's just looking at that big north star to be the president of the united states? >> well i think the problem is that the republicans here know that that's where he's looking. he is not here and the things he's proposing are bad for wisconsin legislators constituents. so there was a huge rally at the capitol today by people defending public education.
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do not want to see these great cuts to public schools walker has proposed. he wants to cut and cut and cut. and the people who remain here in office are going to have to deal with the blowback. so there is a lot of fighting going on. spending money on a new basketball stadium in milwaukee. people don't want do this because it would bad for walker to raise a few taxes to cover the cost. and these are major sticking points. midnight is deadline. we're going to sail right through it and walker is not going to be able to say he got his budget done in time. and not going to be able to say he created 250,000 jobs and he fell way short of. he's got a big deficit he's got fill. it's all bad for him. >> it is bad for him. and bob, are we getting a snapshot that if scott walker was president this is how it
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would look when it comes to congress? i mean he is showing at least from my perspective the guy can't manage. >> i think that is right and, you know the republicans out there have written him a letter. i guess the speaker of the house saying you need to come back and solve this problem. well the truth is that is like asking nero to come back to rome to put out the fires. he created these problems as ruth just outlined. he likes to go around bragging that somehow or other he can lead and govern in a blue state. he can't even get along with his own red state legislators. i think he would have enormous trouble with the congress and i think there is a lot of question about his competence simple capacity to manage and i think it is going hurt him badly as it plays out. >> when he talks about taxes it is almost like he's gone so far down the road he can't reverse. so ruth he's pretty much politically stuck right now. isn't he? how is he going to get out hoff this? he has an amazing ability to
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keep on trucking and keep saying things are looking good when they are looking bad and in wisconsin people are getting cranky cranky. there is only so much you can spin it. we're last in the midwest. we continue to have lousy job growth. and huge scandals the giveaways under his economic development agency to companies that outsource jobs. no accountability. he's removed himself as the head of that agency. it can only go on so long. but i think it is national significant because it is really the failure of trickle down economics t. we have cut and cut and not seen the growth promised. >> bob, what is your reaction to hannity defending trump. >> he was right on one level. what he said wasn't racially tinged. it's racially suffused. most of the immigrants who come
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here are people looking for better life for their families. nbc was right to fire trump. univision was right. donald trump you know what's going to happen next? people who live in condominiums named trump place or trump park who own those are going to get together and vote to take his name off the building because he is an increasing embarrass to them. he's also a huge worry to a lot of republican consultants because they think if he gets on that debate stage he is going to hurt the brand of the republican party even more than it's already been hurt, with im immigrants and young people and folks like that and he's going to attack every republican candidate in sight. >> what is your reaction to jeb bush releasing 33 years of tax returns? we couldn't get three months out of mitt romney. >> well i think it's smart. i think unlike romney he understood he was going to run for president.
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so did romney. but he behaved like he was going to run for president someday. so he made sure to pay taxes. i think he is trying to set up a the contrast with hillary clinton because they have have an idea they can run on people who are not honest or not transparent. it is not clear republican primary voters are buying it. if you look at ted cruz. he's looking to survive to become the ultraconservative choice versus establishment choice. and the first super tuesday of deep south primary states ted cruz could do very well. people in his own party detest him. they may not have the last word. i hope they don't. because i'm all for ted cruz for the republican nomination. >> bob and ruth great to have you with us tonight. and ruth coming to us from
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madison wisconsin. tomorrow night i'll be there covering bernie sanders whose expected to get a massive crowd. we'll have that story for you the next day on the "ed show." still to come, california passes a strict new vaccination rules for your kids in that state. we'll hear from both sides of this heated debate.
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and finally tonight, the parents of children in the state of california are now required to get their children vaccinated or they won't be allowed to attend school. just a short time ago, governor jerry brown signed a bill into law. he released a statement saying in part, the science is clear that vaccines dramatically protect children against a number of infectious and dangerous diseases. the california senate passed the measure on monday in the wake of a huge measles outbreak this winter. it says no religious or personal objections will be allowed. >> we're not talking about,
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like, paper diapers versus cloth diapers or formula versus breast milk. this is not some sort of parenting decision that affects your child exclusively. it affects the lives of every other child and person that your child comes in contact with. >> mississippi and west virginia were previously the only two states in the union with strict requirements in place. groups of parents who choose not to vaccinate their kids have been protesting. petitions with more than 50,000 signatures to veto the bill were brought to governor of california. >> what goes into your child's body, if you don't have any other right in the world, you should have the right to determine what is injected into their bodies. >> medical exemptions will still be granted to children with serious health issues. joining me tonight professor of lsu health science center. also with us tonight, founder and president of voice for choice.
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christina, i'll start with you tonight. and thanks for joining us. what is your reaction to this new law and why are you against vaccinations if across the board it will help protect other children. >> thank you for having me ed. i will not say we're against vaccinations, we're for parental rights and being able to choose what goes into your child's body. vaccinations do come with a risk. if you read the vaccine package inserts, there's a long list of risks involved if your child does have a reaction. parents are struggling with just trying to work with their doctors to work out what's right for their individual child. and this law takes that away. i will also say that it also takes away the constitutional right that california affords every child, which is to have a free and public education, and that should not be trumped by the fear of contagion. that's being shown by the supreme court that fear of contagion should not take that right away for free and public
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education. >> so this is a parental rights issue with your organization. and you believe that parents should have the final say on what happens to their children because of the risks. but the way this law is as i understand it christina, this is pretty heavy handed stuff. it's an or/else situation. you either do it or not be allowed to send your children to school. what do you think about that? >> i agree with you. it's extremely heavy handed and i think it goes too far. there were laws that came into place last year that allowed -- or required a doctor to have a signature on the personal belief exemption. they went down by about 19% in the last year and we were requesting legislatures that they allow that law to keep in place and to see whether it continues to decrease. i would also say that you're saying that the disneyland outbreak of measles was a huge outbreak. it wasn't.
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it was only 131 cases in the state of california. only 24 of those were among school-aged children and they were not -- none of them contracted it in school or gave it to anyone in school. we actuallies i would proclaim 131 cases of measles as a victory for our quarantine and isolation procedures. >> doctor should parents be afraid to vaccinate their children? >> you know it's 2015 and i'm concerned that we are still having this debate. we can try to minimalize the measles outbreak at disneyland but we shouldn't try to minimalize the pertussis outbreak in california which has killed kids as well as the meningitis outbreak at santa barbara. so we have to make sure that we don't get into emotion when we talk about vaccination. emotion has no place in the paradigm -- >> so you think california did the right thing, you think california did the right thing?
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>> absolutely. we must know that they did because the problem with the 25 and 25, 30-year-old, even 40-year-old parents is they don't know the scourge of illness that killed millions of people throughout the world throughout time. we do realize that they don't want to embrace that but people that don't know the history are doomed to repeat it. as soon as that outbreak happened in disneyland everybody started freaking out. even coming to my practice in new orleans saying i don't like vaccinations but i want the measles shot for my child. >> what about the numbers that christina pointed out about how few school-aged children were involved in that outbreak? >> she is absolutely correct. and there's no disrespect to her. the point is that that was a very small outbreak in the grand scheme of things but we have to not just talk about california. we talk about the whole concept of herd immunity. if you're herd immuneity is less than 90%, people will get that disease.
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let me finish. >> all right. >> that's all the time we have for this. i apologize. we'll have both of back to talk more about it. it's certainly a huge issue. that's the ed show. i'm ed schultz. "politics nation" with the reverend al sharpton starts right now. tonight on "politics nation," president obama's best week ever with a big bounce in the polls. he's talking about the road ahead including a pay raise for millions of americans. also better late than never. chris christie looks to shake up the 2016 race. but did he already miss his best chance? and it's a bromance. ted cruz and donald trump are in a mutual admiration society, and it's bad news for the gop.