improve the existing law by extending medicaid coverage to more low-income americans. tennessee is one of the few states where the republican governor tried to expand coverage for the poor but the governor's efforts blocked by the state legislature. and while the supreme court delivered two big victories to obamacare, most recently of course, just last week in 2012 it made a crucial ruling that states do have the right to opt out of the medicaid expansion. now, today, the president's trying to convince the governors of 19 states to take the federal dollars, broaden the program and finally further bring down the number of uninsured americans. florida, louisiana and texas have some of the highest uninsured rates in the nation. "the new york times" domestic correspondent josh farrell joins us at the table. obamacare back in the news. looking at the statements today president upbeat. i was expecting him to talk more about the supreme court case. a majority of americans were glad the court ruled in favor of

obamacare even though we know opinions vary widely on the underlying law but he stuck more to what he sees as the fundamentals of the policy itself not a legal debate. >> there's more to be done and can talk about the victory and take a victory lap and push for changes to get health insurance to more americans and underscores the fact people talked about obamacare as a sea change, both opponents and its supporters. and really it wasn't. it was an incremental change to get coverage to more americans that extended the patchwork way in which americans receive health coverage and still a patchwork that leaves about 10% of americans without insurance and we can get the 10% maybe down to 8% or 7% or 6% and all about incremental change. >> it is not a perfect law. it is interesting, josh looking at polling over the past five-plus years since the law was implemented, attitudes have not changed very much. huffing on the post with a piece on this showing it's stuck around 40% who favor it.

50% who oppose it. some republicans talk about repealing it altogether for the most part americans want changes. something that does stick out is people did not fall in love with the law. do you think we get to a point where it's fully embraced by a majority of americans? >> over time people won't talk about obamacare because obamacare is not a program. there are a number of programs. there's medicaid a program that already existed that it made more people eligible for, various kinds of subsidies that people can get for insurance. they end up buying from private insurers and people take the parts of the law they like and say i like them and not necessarily think of them as obamacare. i think especially after obama is no longer president. the sail yen sy in this is reduced and people -- already now you see people say they don't like obamacare and ask about provisions of the law and many are quite popular. >> always been the case. >> right. that will continue to be true. people decreasingly think of them as part of the package and

arbitrary. there are lots of american health care policy from decades. some of them out of this law and other laws and doesn't matter which ones passed in 2009 and which were -- >> always linked to obama. >> is some of that polling tricky because the vast majority of americans have nothing to do with obamacare and get it from their work, their job. vast majority of americans don't interacting with obamacare. it doesn't affect their lives. >> or in a more marginal way than being the difference of whether or not they have health insurance. there's rules of the insurer could not impose a lifetime limit of the dollars you get. they require many employers for contraceptive coverage to women. they get care that's different or better as a result of the law and may not know that or a relatively minor difference they don't focus on as much as i used to be inunsheered and now i'm

insured. >> toure's point that it's buy their. people saying i didn't use this system this website, that's certainly true and political and your point is this is a market. it affects you. the president moments ago says just because you didn't access health care this way, if we're bending the cost curve, something the white house continually saying they're doing and lowering the rate of increase of premiums we are helping everyone. >> right. the other thing is health care premiums go up every year so people will tend to blame that on whatever they see most recently having happened in health policy. the premium went up and they blame it on obamacare. looks like it's effective in holding down cost increases but nobody understands why we have seen such slow growth. >> you do. you do. >> no. i'd love -- >> if you don't, none of us

will. >> i don't know. the other thing, we don't know how long that will go on. there's more signs of upward pressure on health care costs as last year. >> that makes sense coming out of a recession and growth improves. one reason that the poll numbers i think continued to be not that great is because democrats frankly haven't done a great job of selling the benefits of this bill. and that goes back to the very early days after it was passed in 2010. democrats more likely to run away from this law than run towards it. do you think the politics have shifted? do you think that hillary clinton or whoever the democratic nominee ends up being will make keeping obamacare and the merits of keeping obamacare and the need to expand obamacare central to their campaign? >> i don't think she'll talk about it that way but in much the way that republicans talked about health care in 2009 and 2010. the way the politics shifted, the democrats are the party of the status quo. they want to do these little extensions -- >> much stronger place to be.

>> right. when republicans talk about repealing obamacare, democrats say, well gee, if you like your health plan will you keep it? it's going to be the mirror image. >> flip it and reverse it. >> that's a long bumper sticker. >> that's a challenge for republican candidates to have to talk about the law is you know when you ask people do you like obamacare? it's still unpopular and say boo obamacare. they have to explain -- >> good talking point. >> what will happen if they do something to obamacare, that's challenging. >> how do they repeal it? say that we get -- >> i have no idea. >> i don't know that jeb bush tries repeal it. say one says if i'm in office that's the first thing to do on day one, how do they do that? >> there's a dispute in the republican party about whether the problem with obamacare is that it regulates too much and makes health insurance too complicated or is the problem simply spends too much money and too much money on poor people? you have conservatives taking assorts of approaches saying

they don't like it but some would like a regime of subsidies so everybody gets health insurance, more slimmed down than what the president wants or others to go back to the system of before and the government provided insurance for old people and provided big tax subsidies -- >> who want that is? >> people who were fine under the system before. i mean bear in mind most people were already satisfied with the coverage before obamacare. >> any republican candidates let geese back to the great way things were? >> wait a minute. there is a call to like keep fighting this. ben sass of nebraska in the national review today. we must make the 2016 election a referendum on obamacare versus understandable common-sense patient-sen trick alternative. we need a 2016 presidential nominee to not only prosecute the case against obamacare but put families in charge of their own health futures. let's march up that hill but you have no legs. what is your alternative? >> i love that quote. the term the republicans love to use, patient-centered or patient

sen trick. what does that mean? it can mean whatever the listener wants it mean. when republicans talk about that, they mean we should have health insurance for catastrophic costs like a $6,000 deductible and a health savings account to cover your expenses up to that. one thing is obamacare is actually pushing people in that direction. and that's something that people have been complaining about with plans from tex changes. if you buy a bronze plan in the exchange, often a plan like that to save you from bankruptcy if you end up with $50,000 in medical bills and not help you with the ordinary health expense expenses. people don't like to think of it as a financial decision seeing the doctor. maybe he'll flush it out around something like that. it's not political popular. >> talk about the people who don't like obamacare. is it a potentially winning argument for some republican candidate to say, let's repeal let's replace, change this thing? >> well again -- >> the polling puled up

struggled to get the support of americans. >> once you outline a very specific ri placement, you hurt someone. either it's coverage in similar scope to what the president is prosing and which case it's expensive and then how to pay for it republicans prefer to be more expensive and move people off of medicaid off on to private insurance. you have to come up with extra money. alternatively, a plan cheaper because it doesn't cover as many people and then explain whose coverage you take away. either one once you're specific saying replacing obamacare is less popular, replace it with something bether than obamacare. >> patient sen trick. >> right. >> cheaper. >> yeah. >> flexible. >> freedom. >> cell plans across state lines. tort reform. tort reform would be fine and a very small one-time reduction in health care costs but republicans talk about it like it's a major -- >> it's a long segment when josh

has reached tort reform. thank you for being here. >> thank you. that's one of the big stories today. president obama announcing a big shift in u.s. relations with cuba and another story, a black church in south carolina is burning. investigators are on the case. we'll have an update on that. the international story is new bailout in the works for greece after they defaulted on the last one? you wouldn't take medicine without checking the side effects. hey honey. huh. the good news is my hypertension is gone. so why would you invest without checking brokercheck? check your broker with brokercheck. they make little hearts happy and big hearts happy too because as part of a heart healthy diet

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a change half a century in the making. even if it's still castro's

cuba. a church burns again. greece defaults and the world doesn't end. let's get up to speed on all of it taking you through the news cycle. we start with a big thaw in relations between the u.s. and cuba. this morning, president obama announced the next step in that process. and it's a big one. each country will reopen embassies for the first time since 1961. >> later this summer secretary kerry will travel to havana formally to proudly raise the american flag over our embassy once more. this is not merely symbolic. with this change we will be able to substantially increase our contacts with the cuban people, more personnel at the embassy and the diplomats will have the ability to engage across the island. white house correspondent kristen welker was there for the announcement. the president said this is what change looks like. what will it look like?

>> reporter: you are going to see the embassies open in the two countries. what president obama pointed to in the statement that you just played there, but what does it mean for the people of the united states and for cuba? for that i'll take you back to january. that's when the united states lifted some restrictions on travel. and also on commerce. opening the embassies really builds upon some of those steps so you're going to see more travel likely between the united states and cuba increasing telecommunications, like commerce. it requires an active congress to lift the trade embargo so important to underscore that point. no indication that will happen in the near future. one of the big things to see is that the president mentioned, you're going to see diplomats being able to move more freely throughout the country, the reason why that is important, the administration says it is because it allows the administration to press cuba to bring about diplomatic reforms and see a pretty robust debate on the campaign trail.

several republican candidates seized on this today to slam president obama's foreign policy. jeb bush marco rubio saying that the administration is empowering a regime that carries out human rights abuses. senior administration officials tell me, look what we have been doing for the past half a century or more hasn't been working so this they believe, puts the u.s. in a stronger position to try to bring about the democratic reforms and human rights and to crack down on human rights abuses. democrats, hillary clinton, came out and expressed her support of president obama moves today. this resonates in florida. if you look at the polls throughout the u.s. vast majority of americans, about 60%, say they support such a move. so that debate's going to continue. just underscore one more point. this was really one of president obama's key foreign policy goals. you remember in 2008 he campaigned on this idea saying

look, we can't isolate our enemies. this is a realization of that goal and undoubtedly rally the democratic base. a robust debate in 2016 as we start the see some of tease reforms take effect. abby? >> certainly a historic day. bernie tells me a big day today. it's your birthday. the first time -- >> happy birthday. >> reporter: they told you. thank you. thank you, guys. appreciate it very much. >> a very happy birthday to you. thank you as always for being with us. investigators believe a lightning strike sparked a massive blaze that burned a church in south carolina today. all that's left standing is the walls and the con grae gags. they had to rebuild 20 years ago when the church was burned to the ground in a hate crime. sarah dallof is in south carolina. they don't think anything criminal happened behind you last night. >> reporter: that's according to an ap report abby that quotes

a federal source as saying it doesn't look like this was arson. one possibility, there was a thick band of thunderstorms that rolled through this area yesterday evening before that first call came in to the -- reporting the fire here at the church. regardless of how it's started, this is a devastating blow to this congregation here who watched the church burn for about two hours and let's show you what it looks like today. the brick walls standing. everything else inside gutted. wood charred and the windows broken out. i talked to the pastor here who says it's difficult but they're supported by the prayers of the community and prayers from across the nation and not only will they rebuild, that they will rebuild, they'll rebuild stronger and better. people have been coming by all mitt romneying to take pictures they want to see it for themselves. i've talked to several people saying they're praying that it was nature caused and not man

caused because the thought of reliving what happened 20 years ago when members of the kkk lit the church on fire well that is just too difficult to deal with right now, abby. back the you. >> very difficult. sarah, reporting from south carolina, thank you for being with us. turning to the markets, stocks are up across the board today. investors are optimistic that greece finds a way out of the economic crisis. there have been rumblings of a bailout deal by the eurozone but the greek prime minister likened it to blackmail. he says it's up to the greek people to decide what happens next. coming up, believe it or not, this was not the first time the pair of convicts broke out of dannemore. now what david sweat is telling investigators. discovered always discreet underwear for sensitive bladders. it makes me feel secure, confident. i feel protected. i mean i feel comfortable to move in them they move with me. i love always discreet underwear because of the fit. the fabric is very soft. i can wear

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now we turn to new details about how the escaped convicts

survived a full three weeks on the run. the prosecutor in the case saying the captured fugitive david sweat claims he was the brains and the plot in the works for months. and in a twist that the prosecutor is calling baffling we're hearing that the two prisoners actually pulled off essentially a dry run the night before the real escape. >> they had completed going through the tunnel system that you know they knew and late may that the steam pipe had been turned off. it was no longer being utilized by the facility so that they were basically clear to go through that. they wouldn't be burned through the steam pipe. so they made that -- completed everything on thursday. then made a dry run. accessed the manholes. to see where they came out of. and then made the decision to leave on friday. >> msnbc's national roertd adam

reiss on this story the whole time. adam, the prosecutor speaking style there is so sort of plodding and methodical you forget the point of what was so surprising here which is the idea they would get that close to getting out and then go back, do it all over. explain your reporting on what that was about and what else is new today. >> reporter: sure, ari. good afternoon. he's taking full credit claiming he was the mastermind, that this was in the works for six months. all the way back to january. he would take occasional trips outside of his cell into the catwalk. he claims he never used power tools but just hack sacks and talked about that dry run. david sweat by himself through the catwalk, through the pipes up think the manhole cover and locked out. it was just too busy for him. too his n't residential and went back in. the original plan as you remember, they were going to come out meet up with joyce mitchell. we learned they were going to go to west virginia and then mexico. of course, that didn't happen.

the two of them hit the woods. making way to canada. david sweat says that richard matt was just too slow. he was drinking. he got sick. so about after 18 days he separated from him. david sweat saying he would listen to a.m. radio and then he would go in the other direction and told them there were several close calls. on one occasion he was in a tree stand and border patrol agents right below him and he was able to allude capture and the last day he thought he was home free. a mile away from canada and then sergeant cook appears. ari? >> you have been following this. why should we believe him on all these stories? >> reporter: well, that's the point. he's telling them a treasure trove of information. and it's just you know he's a con viktded killer escaped convict. you don't know what to believe. and so i'm sure they're skeptical but this is what they're telling them.

>> thank you, as always for being all over the story. now we turn to arthur roderick, spent quarter center hunting convicts. with the marshal service. put us in context, how does the jailbreak and the details fit in to how these things usually go down? >> i mean it -- as a criminal investigator, as a deputy u.s. marshal, escape cases always are the most interesting. and when you compare this all the way back to the alcatraz escape, it -- it does have a lot of similarities to a lot of the escape that is have occurred over that 50-plus years. i mean you have got everything in this case. you have got, you know the sex in jail. you have got the maximum security facility. you have the honor block issues. you have got the lack security. you have got the complacency of the guards. you have the pretty ingenius escape that occurred and a

22-day manhunt and sort of an extended time to be in the manhunt phase of the investigation. and then obviously, the climatic arrest of sweat and the takedown of matt. >> what is it about these prison breaks that does so fascinate us? because, obviously, there's always details you point out with this particular case. and you've got the drama of two very dangerous men on the loose. and, you know this region of the state. but why are we so interested in all the detalls of how they got out and who helped them and how it went down and what was their mind-set? why is that? >> i mean it is a very obviously interesting story. i mean it's been several hollywood movies made about the types of escapes. >> will be a movie after this one, i'm sure. >> i'm sure there will be. >> i will watch it. >> yeah. this fits in very good into some type of screenplay. i think -- i mean, it is human nature to figure out the ingeniousness of the individuals to be able to not only get out

of the facility but how they got out. how they conned the guards. you know what were their next steps? how did they survive in the woods for three weeks? if you look at the escapes that occurred over 50 years or so it really comes down to one thing. it's never the facility itself. it is never the physical part of the facility breaking down. the jail. breaking down. it is always human error. it is always guards people helping on the outside. people helping on the inside. who are they in communication with? and did, you know what were their survival skills? obviously, these guys did have some survival skills and were able to get weapons. so it was -- it's obviously an interesting story and i think we'll eventually see it play out in a hollywood movie. >> absolutely. you know peek a litspeak a little more to the human factor. you look at these two guys and the reason that they were

ultimately caught because of mistakes they made. richard matt shooting the mobile home that prompted the driver to call 911 on him. david sweat who was just jogging in the middle of daylight in the open. sergeant jay cook smart enough to recognize him and go after it. if it's not for those things i mean, it could very well be we're looking for these guys right now. >> it could be. i mean obviously, if their plan went through and picked up by joyce mitchell out by the manhole cover, you know we would be looking for them down in mexico. i always find it kind of odd they think if they hit the canadian border or the mexican border, they would have been free. that's definitely not the case. we had interpoll involved. we had our friends in mexico and our friends across the border in canada. all the law enforcement agencies were involved. so they were ready for the individuals to show up. >> so arthur as krystal saying, the stories are fascinating. i spent the morning reading about a ton of them.

you can never get enough. alcatraz stories, but there's one out of france that i think takes the cake that is extraordinary. the story of pascual payet sentenced to 30 years for a murder in a robbery and in 2001 he has one of his friends hijack a helicopter and fly it in to the prison and he escapes via helicopter. >> wow. >> and then in 2003 pascual returns to free three other men via the same way. they capture him after a couple years and then in 2007 again he escapes via helicopter. >> wow. >> now he is in prison today. but how do you deal with that? how do you defend against that taking care of the prison? >> yeah. it is very difficult to defend against that type of escape. i mean you know, do you take the helicopter out? is the helicopter making an emergency landing?

usually what happens is everybody is so shocked that you can't move for a while. and obviously, this man was per persistent and intelligent. we had an escape here in the united states with a helicopter in the mid-'80s that the marshal service investigated where an individual had broken out of jail. he had got a helicopter. he was a vietnam chopper pilot. flown it to his girlfriend's prison. busted her out. >> wow. >> we eventually ended up arresting them when they were going to get fitted for the wedding rings. >> ah. >> unbelievable. >> yeah. there are a lot of great escape stories out there. >> romantic. >> wow. >> one thing that's interesting about this story is david sweat made it to within two miles of the canadian border. seemed to indicate to investigators that he thought that he was almost home free and the reality is very different. we have friends in canada to help us out. but would he have had a better chance of staying escaped if he

had, in fact made it to canada? >> no. absolutely not. he obviously would have entered canada illegally. a u.s. citizen. would have been turned right back at the border given right back to the authorities here in the states. plus we had already had our partners across the border working on a couple leads already. so interpol put out a blue notice to put law enforcement on the other side of the border on alert. we had the bases covered. in fact the marshals had got an unlawful flight warrant which made it a federal crime so if he crossed state borders we would continue to look for him as if nothing transpired and a seamless transition to the canadians or throughout the u.s. >> ari, you can run but you can't hide. >> that's exactly right. >> thank you. >> thank you. still ahead, u.s. women's soccer punching the ticket to the world cup finals. the ladies poised to make

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ah you might recall that music from the live growing hope show in oakland highlighting a town hall style meeting with folks of yes we code mentoring young people to high-tech careers of the suminnovation. here's the digital freedom riders. i love that. our next guest's organization advancing the yes we code mission, code 2040 with career, training and internships to close the diversity gap of 2040 when the census bureau says it will be a minority nation.

ford is a growing hope sponsor. so, tell us about the program and how are we going about closing this racial gap in the silicon valley? >> yeah so we've been running code 2040 for this is our fourth summer and what we found is companies were interested in getting more diversity. but they didn't know always where to look to find talent. students, black and latino students, excited about the possibility of a career in tech and didn't necessarily have the connections or the access that they needed to actually get jobs in the industry. so we started code 2040 to bridge that gap. so we go around the country and we do workshops and we do coaching with students who are looking to get jobs in tech who are already in college or otherwise studying the tech coding languages and we connect

them with our partner companies here in the bay area. >> really is incredible what you are doing and will have a real impact in the future of this country. but, laura, what inspired you personally to get involved in this project? >> so i actually grew up on the east coast in new york city and i didn't come out to california or silicon valley until i was in my mid-20s and i looked around and said wow, there's a whole industry out here based around innovation and changing the world that i had no idea about. so that was a big motivator for me to think about how can i create access for other folk who is are really smart, talented motivated but maybe just don't have the connections that they need to get that first foot in the door and it was actually a friend of a friend who offered me my first job in tech. i worked at a start-up in product management. and so i really recognized how connections are for that first

opportunity. >> silicon valley has a massive gender diversity problem, massive racial diversity problem. what is the experience like for folks who placed at companies in silicon valley? do they find it to be an accepting and welcoming atmosphere? >> yeah. one of the most important things we found is that if we pair the students that come through our program with mentors in the space, it makes a huge difference in feeling like they're welcome. because as you point out, in a lot of cases, just because of what the numbers are, a code 2040 fellow may be the only person of color, only black or latino person, only woman on their engineering team but someone welcoming them looking out for them it's a huge difference in terms of feeling community and the support they need to handle that experience with success. >> but how do we get more people

to be -- black and brown people to be interested in the program? i see a lot of folks who don't really think that this is something that they could even do. i mean i see folks in the pipeline that you can help them and they can have success and how do we get them in in the first place? >> i think one thing we think about a lot, when's the message you're spending about the careers to young people? we talk about s.t.e.m. and that frankly sounds kind of abstract and maybe even a little bit boring but what's really actually exciting about working in tech is that it's a chance to solve problems. and so what ends up being superappealing to the students we talk to is the chance to have the skill set and the tools they need to solve the problems that they see in their communities, that they see at home they experience. and as tech and coding become more and more important in the economy, that skill set is critical to the ability to

create change and that ends up being inspiring for young people. >> i think it is important to point out you'll all doing amazing work for students and young people you're working with and amazing work for the companies because research shows that companies that have a more diverse work force are more successful. >> right. >> yeah. it's such a good point. when we have conversations with companies, we don't work with companies that treat this like charity. we work with company that is treat this like a business case who are thinking about the fact that they want to create the most innovative products products this appeal to folks from all different backgrounds and need the talent to do that. they see us as a way to gain access to a really strong talent pool they're missing out on right now so the companies absolutely feel like this is something beneficial and that's their motivation for partnering with code 2040. >> well, we can see that code

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another confirmed shark attack. this one at a beach in ocracoke north carolina where a 68-year-old man was bitten by what officials believe to be a 7 to 8-foot long shark. this swimmer suffered injuries the torso, leg and both hands. he was treated on the scene and then taken to the hospital. less than halfway through the summer, we have already had 24 shark attacks in the u.s. with 7 of those coming in north carolina alone. typically, the u.s. sees only about 30 to 40 attacks per year. so what is up with this recent wave of shall recollectrk attacks? there's one place to learn, shark week. the annual summer prime time event is back for its 28th year. >> wow. >> with more coverage than ever before and kicks off this sunday 8:00 p.m. eastern and if you miss the action catch the nightly recap on shark after dark at 11:00 p.m. and hosted by

a man who knows a thing or two about terror. eli roth. nice to have you with us. >> thank you. nice to be here. >> i'm kind of two minds of shark week right now with all of these horrific shark attacks in the news. is this the perfect moment for shark week or the worst possible moment? >> there could not be a more perfect week. i came on the show. i'm a huge fan of sharks. i love them. i want to keep people and the sharks safe and a chance to sit down with the top scientists the top experts and go what is going on? what is happening in north carolina? and what you talk to these experts, will be on the show and they talked about how things like overfishing, we have decimated the shark's food supply. there's no fish for them to eat. they're hungry and biting humans. even the term attack the sharks aren't aggressively attacking. they take you're food.

i have flippers on. i went swimming with the reef sharks and only attack fish dying. the sharks are like doctors of the ocean. their function to keep the ocean clean and safe from disease. so, you know what happens is that if your foot is around or the hands splashing, they think it's a dying fish and going for it and taking a bite. we don't taste good to sharks. your chances of being attacked by a shark is 1 in 11 million. you have a greater chance to die by a vending machine. you know, it is things like pollution, our changing the climate, driving the fish into strange places and really you know, the irony is that we have eaten the shark's food supply. only five people a year die from shark attack. this is worldwide. every year i learned, 100 million sharks are killed by humans for shark fin soup. and to make boots.

it is literally soup. we have killed something like 1.5 billion sharks in 15 years just to you know and that's just chopping off the fins and throwing them back in the ocean and hurt the -- the humans completely screwed up the ecosystem and coming back to bite us in crazy ways. not blaming the victims but a great thing of shark week is that you have the top people on working every day in the ocean and we bring discussions of what is happening and what can we all do to maybe, you know help keep everybody safe. >> you mentioned a little bit earlier it's partly because there's overfishing that's causing the shark attacks. i mentioned that in the morning meting and looked at me like i had three heads on and i don't look like a crazy person because you clarified that. those that are deathly afraid of sharks, why should they watch the show? will they be more afraid or feel more comfortable about sharks? >> i go diving with reef sharks.

first time diving with sharks and the shark comes up to me and scratching them into the nose they go in tonic. >> i won't be doing that any time soon. >> the shark is so sweet >> we have brandy mcmillen who hosts a show on cbs where he trains dogs and swims with sharks also and talks about how similar they are. i don't think people think of sharks as the doctors of the sea and that three quarters of our oxygen comes from the ocean. and without sharks disease in the ocean would spread to epidemic and right to humans so they are vital for our survival as well as the ocean's survival. so think people -- obviously

they are big and scary and very few things on the planet that can still eat us. i'm about to make a mega la don shark movie so i'm really excited. but sharks really are our friend. >> how about sharknado. >> that actually now seems more feasible than a zombie attack. >> i guess we can see why you are the pride of newton mass. i also loved you in inglorious basterds. >> thank you. >> talk about any hollywood movie that you think has actually done sharks justice o and/or the film you are about to make. >> the truth is there is not one that's done it. because it is not as fun. people want to sell tickets and jaws. and the very concept of a block buster didn't exist before jaws.

that created the summer movie. so nobody has touched it. and that's what i want to do in mega. and we can use all of that to point out once it's decimating the other sharks to talk about how important the sharks are. so i want to make a movie where yes the shark will be eating people, and take out ten surfers in one bite but at the same time we'll have that real science the way jurassic park can get. and have fun but make it grounded. >> you have a little bit of an odd choice for host of shark after dark. couldn't they have found someone that really cared about sharks. >> i've always felt horror movies are an interesting way to subvert a message about the social cause. the green inferno and student activists get eaten by cannibals but it is a way to talk about

the deforestation happening and i'll be partnering with an animal rights group soon. directors with scary movies always have some sort of social political meaning anything. >> is there anything that actually scarce you? >> yeah. honestly it is what humans are doing to the ocean. people are used to getting all the fish they want all the time. and the pollution run off. it peoples like there is nobody in charge. i feels like the politicians are very much in the pocket of the corporations. but it's too easy to blame the korpgsz corporations. and to understand what effects people can make conscious choices. i hate it when someone gets on tv trying to tell me what to do. i understand. but when it is a platform like shark after dark it's important to race issues and discussions

so people can make informed decisions. >> what is scarier? a shark or dealing with hollywood? >> the thing is the shark, they don't hide who they are. this is who they are. the hollywood people they act like they are your friends. they act like they are really sweet but then they are ambush predators. i'll take a shark any day. they are either going to eat you or not. >> real quick. favorite interview we should be looking for on shark after dark. >> so many good ones. kevin smith is on. greg nicotero does this incredible thing. a make up bite victim. it is too many. they were really fun. >> got to watch all of it then. >> dr. rece is amazing. he knows so much about the ocean that it is really great. >> we'll have to check that it out. eli, thank you so much. and up next women's soccer and

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start of the tournament added a late goal to seal the victory. the they face the winner on sunday. that team just one of the folks doing good out there i gave my weekly kudos to on crystal clear this morning. also the president's political victories, taking back the beach for all weemsomen's body. >> it is our highest abb beer about 7%. >> you can drink the whole thing. you can do it. >> so you can check out the whole show at msnbc.com/crystalclear. now hosted by ari melber starts right now. president obama taking a victory lap for obamacare.

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