he's no apprentice. donald trump shoots to number two. let's play "hardball." ♪ ♪ >> good evening, i'm chris matthews in washington. welcome to the whacky world of american politics. first they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they attack you, then you win. so where's donald trump in all that? first the republicans running for president led by jeb bush, tried to pretend the man in the golden tower with the beautiful wife wasn't there. now they try laughing him off. when will that no longer be able to work? when will the attacks come? if there's an outside chance that this guy who talks to the republican gut on isis, on illegal immigrants, on obama, and politicians period, could he leave the rest of them lying on the street? is there a chance this comic

book hero could actually take off? howard fineman, with the huffington post and susan page from usa today. donald trump is now don tier. a new poll has trump in second place nationally with 12%. jeb bush is the front-runner at 19. quinnipiac has trump jumping also into second, into a tie. and a recent suffolk university poll has trump in new hampshire with 11%, trailing jeb by just 3%. this is for real. the question is, is it for long? i wonder if all the other candidates are tiptoeing around the issue and he goes right to the gut. you don't like illegal immigrants, i don't like illegal immigrants. you don't like obama, i don't like obama. you don't like isis, i don't like isis.

he talks to people in american english in a way these other door mats in many ways don't know how to talk. talk. >> well, chris, what i saw up here in manchester, new hampshire, when a got here today, was the union leader newspaper, which is the bible of politics in new hampshire, they put chris christie, they buried him on the inside with a small story about his announcement. one of the things that's happened, chris christie flamed out, and he was the original new york, metropolitan tough guy. he left an opening. ted cruz, who speaks to the id of the republican base the way you're talking about with donald trump is probably too scary even for a lot of republican grassroots people pop so donald trump has an opening because cruz and christie are nowhere. that's number one. number two, there's no front-runner. most of them don't have name recognition. he's donald trump. he's got name recognition like a

clinton or a bush. and he speaks clearly and he speaks to the gut. and he knows how to get attention. he's sort of the rich man's chris christie. >> i think he's a comic book hero to a lot of guys. i'd like to go around with a camera and interview people who have just gotten to this country, they say he's like a sinatra guy. he has a lot of money, enjoys it and talks like us. >> plus these attacks with macy's cutting him off. >> that will hurt him. >> and nbc. >> but does that -- >> that helps him. makes it look like he's the victim. he's standing up, no one else can even -- he's in number two, with 10%, 11%, and 12%, and he's got a big ceiling on his head because 3 out of 4 republicans in the nbc/wall street journal poll said they would not consider voting for him. when the field gets smaller, he's going to have trouble. >> some of his opponents are out

there praising his good work. let's listen to them. >> i think donald trump, who shouldn't be underestimated, by the way, i think he's hitting on issues that americans care about. >> when it comes to donald trump, i like donald trump. i think he's terrific, you think he's brash. i think he speaks the truth. >> should he apologize for what he said? >> i don't think you should apologize for speaking out against immigration that is a problem. >> are they mostly rapes and murderers? >> they're not mostly that, but i credit him for focusing on an issue that needs to be focused on. >> the guy with the most forceful response had to speak in a foreign language, in spanish. as bloomberg reports, jeb bush addressed some reports. and they wrote, trump spends his life fighting with people, bush answered in spanish, and he doesn't, bush said, represent the values of the republican party. called the attacks on hispanics

disrespectful. but trump still holds sway over the party. in 2012, three years ago, as you recall, mitt romney traveled to las vegas to pose with the donald, and get his endorsement. howard, this isn't a dance learned for the occasion. they've been trooping up to donald trump for a long time, kissing his butt, saluting him as a grand figure in the country. and i going to go back to this. yeah, he's well known, so why do people want him to be president? why do they want this guy to be president now? >> well, i don't think they do want him to be president. i agree with susan -- >> why are they saying yes, trump? he's beating scott walker, 2-1, and the rest 2-1. >> part of it is also, especially republican likely voters, are disgusted with the political system. they're disgusted and cynical about traditional politicians. they hate congress.

they hate the republican party. donald trump is like a big macy's day parade balloon, who seems to hover about all of traditional politics. his support is a comment on the cynicism and disaffection of the republican grassroots and the conservative grassroots with the whole structure of politics. and because he's outside of it, and because to some extent, he's a comic figure, almost, he gets to comment on it and trash it in a way that's pleasing to some republican people who answer polls right now. >> and i do think sometimes i'm running along, remember the guys holding the ropes on the big balloons, and every once in a while, you get taken up and you rise above the streets. >> that's donald trump. >> he's selling an unapologetic attack on immigrants from the southern border. let's watch the bad stuff. >> when mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best.

they're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime. they're rapists. >> would you take any of that back or rephrase any of it, if you could? >> no, because it's totally accurate. huffington post and fusion, 80% of central american women and girls are raped coming into the united states crossing the borders. they're taking our jobs, they're taking our manufacturing and they're taking our money. >> today macy's announced it will no longer sell trump's menswear collections in its stores because of remarks like those. trump responded by stating, for all those who want to make america great again, boycott macy's. they are weak on border security. and on stopping illegal immigration. >> did you know that macy's had a policy on border patrolling? >> yes, they do. they're building a big wall. it's comic and think about when republicans want to turn around and appeal to hispanic voters in a general election, how is it going to be when the nominee has to live with the legacy of language like that?

>> why aren't they lining up in english, jeb bush, speaking in english against this guy? >> because he does appeal to part of the republican party, and you're at the point where that's who you're trying to appeal to. >> the english-speaking portion of the republican party is probably 90%. >> probably 99%. >> can i get in? >> sure, you're in. >> can i say, chris, donald trump is now so much of a force, at least for now, that one of the other republican candidates could get some attention and maybe some polling points by taking him on. you know, donald trump is a fighter. he knows how to set his coat on fire and everybody else's coat on fire. >> would you go in the ring with him if you were republican? would you go in the ring and say, let's go? would you? politically? >> well, let me say, you got to be prepared. you got to try to skewer him. it's hard to do. but if you can succeed at it,

you win big points. and i think -- i got to say, i think it's shameful that he says this stuff and that these other candidates who claim to be serious people, who want to lead the country, don't take him on. they don't have the guts to say a single word critical of the guy. and jeb bush doing it in spanish is kind of sad actually. come on! you know that the bush family doesn't want to have anything to do with donald trump. it's beneath them. come on! >> i look at the facts, the republican party and the house of representatives refuses to pass a middle of the road immigration bill with some teeth in it, in terms of illegal hiring. it tells me that maybe trump knows his mark. here's how he selling the brand through personal nastiness and anything standing in his way. here he goes. >> you know, when i watch a george will or a charles krauthammer, they're losers. they're losing. i'll be suing univision. maybe nbc too.

i'll have to see. >> "the daily news" has this picture, clown runs for president. "the daily news" is going to be out of business soon. >> how can pushing in first place, this guy can't negotiate his way out of a paper bag. >> i think bush is an unhappy person. >> what about marco rubio? >> i think he's highly overrated. >> back to you in order now. we got an iowa -- we got a debate coming up next month. i think he'll be in the center ring making most of the noise and the only guy going at him will probably be chris christie, they'll be punching each other and everybody else is going to look boring. >> and that's not good for the other candidates and the republican party. ten candidates on a stage, at the first debate, it's to get the attention. to have the sound bite. >> and it's a fox audience too. >> trump, this is cat nip for him. >> howard, again, i'm not a media critic, but it's a fox audience, conservative to right-wing and pat buchanan on the hard right will eat this guy

up completely that night. >> no, i think on the serious side of this, chris, you remember pat buchanan's appeal. you remember the fact that the tea party to a big extent is based on fear of immigration. >> i agree with you. >> you remember that donald trump is the birther guy, he's the guy who's raising the fears about the other, about the outsider, the idea that barack obama is not really from here, he's not really an american. this is consistent and this is the dark side of donald trump. we dismiss him as a clownish figure, i think that's probably a dangerous thing to do. because while he's smiling and laughing and getting off those one-liners, he's speaking to the darker id of american political life which is fear of the other and fear of the outsider. and he will stoke it. he knows what sells. and we're in a time of cynicism and fear at the republican grassroots.

not with the democrats. they love barack obama right now. they're cheering his greatest week. but the grassroots of the republican party, there's fear, and anger and cynicism and despite his smile and funny hair, he knows how to appeal to that sentiment. >> he also believes that the political establishment has not dealt effectively with the idea of illegal immigration, so he'll do it his way. >> i think that's true. >> chris christie was on the trail today in maine where he received the first big public endorsement of his candidacy from maine governor paul lepage. who has been called america's craziest governor. roll the tape. >> many of you know that i say it the way i see it. sometimes i'm overly blunt. >> you're going to be seeing a lot of me on the front page, saying governor lepage tells obama to go to hell. >> about ready to punch a.j. higgins. >> don't punch him. >> oh, come on. >> what's your response to people saying it's more than

just one incident, but rather a pattern? >> tell him to kiss my butt. >> frankly, i think of speaker of house should go back to where he was born. >> we're going to have the debate. this battle coming up a month from now is going to be something to watch. i'm not sure it's about picking a president, but it is about picking a fight. >> that's a great way to put it. that's what we're going to see. >> it's good for democrats. >> and marco rubio, needs to step up to make points to get into the fight. >> i would think we have a couple cuban americans, howard, who are running for president, who will be in the ring with this guy as he bashes latinos. one guy with a mexican wife. it gets very tribal when you're talking to donald trump. i've always said that some of these guys would have no problem with illegal immigrations if the immigrants from the south were heidi klums from northern

europe. this is an ethnic war here, it's for real, your thoughts? >> both in terms of tone and the tenor and indeed the substance about that fear on immigration, we now are in a situation where donald trump is setting the tone and the tenor for at least the next month of the campaign heading into that debate in august. nobody could have predicted that a couple weeks ago, but it's true. >> we're looking at the numbers and numbers matter in our business. thank you, howard fineman and susan page. the president announced today that the united states and cuba are restoring full diplomatic relations. obama's got the hot hand and he's taking the shots. three-pointers, actually. plus, as more and more businesses cut ties with donald trump, the one organization that's clearly stuck with the donald, at least for now, is the republican party, led by reince priebus. and the release of those e-mails

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>> so in many ways last week was simply a culmination of a lot of work that we've been doing since i came into office. how am i going to spend whatever political capital that i've built up? the list is long and my instructions to my team and my instructions to myself have always been that we are going to squeeze every last ounce of progress that we can make when i have the privilege -- as long as i have the privilege of holding this office. >> well, there's one cool president. president obama said he's not finished yet. after a string of hit toric victories last week, his winning streak continues. today the president made clear he plans to spend his political capital and played his hot hand

again today with a historic announcement, this time on foreign policy. he announced today that the united states and cuba will re-establish diplomatic relations for the first time since 1961 and will open embassies in each other capitals. let's watch. >> today, i can announce that the united states has agreed to formally re-establish diplomatic relations with the republic of cuba, and re-open embassies in our respective countries. this is an historic step forward to normalize our relations with the cuban government and people. we don't have to be imprisoned by the past. when something isn't working, we can and will change. later this summer, secretary kerry will travel to havana to raise our flag over our embassy. this is what change looks like.

>> well said. 59% of the americans approve of the decision to normalize relations with cuba. david axelrod, senior adviser to president obama and david corn, washington bureau chief for mother jones magazine, both are msnbc political analysts. david, you're the expert on the legacy question, but in terms of the environment, a big issue with the president, marriage equality, clearly health care issues, all kinds of issues, climate this is a big one in terms of reaching out and trying to bring the world closer together. how do you see it? >> well, i see it as the president moving america into the 21st century. you know, he was born the year that we broke off diplomatic relations with cuba. that was 53 years ago. the idea was to isolate cuba and change its policies. it also was a time when cuba was a client state of the soviet union, an outpost 90 miles from

the american shore, so there was some justification for the policies we've had. we've tried for 53 years to change their policies by shunning them. now he's chosen engagement. and as you pointed out, most americans agree that's the way to go. >> couple ways to look at this. from the left, where you come from, the progressive side of things, it seems to me that this is approaching a communist government. do you see it's a way to bring them down? some of the writers, on the right say this is encouraging, and embracing castro? >> the one thing that's undeniable is that half a century of this policy has not worked. cuba, i've written about this. i have friends and authors down there that can't do what they want to do. they don't have internet access. so isolating them and preventing u.s. citizens to cuba hasn't worked.

so i'm all for trying something else, as are a lot of younger cuban americans and most americans. it can't be any worse or have less results than what we've done for the last five decades. i've been down there a couple of times, cubans tend to like americans. >> what kind of deal did you have to strike to get through that government? did you have to answer -- >> no, i went down in 1994, when the baltimore orioles were playing the cuban national team to cover it as a journalist. >> as a sports reporter? >> exactly. it was a great trip. >> i'm not going to play games, do you like the castro government. >> no, you don't have to do that. journalists can go, educational trips can go. now more americans will be able to go. hopefully everyone. i think at that point in time, it's going to be hard for the government to keep the walls up. >> peggy noonan wrote a great column saying she sort of likes

this approach from a conservative point of view, because her dream is castro in his last moments of life, looking out his bedroom window and seeing some kid with an iphone, that the future has arrived and it's about freedom of communication and a new kind of life that they don't have down there. is that your sense that he's going to get shocked by opening the door to us? >> you think that not only -- we may have tried to isolate castro cube and cuba, but it's going to be hard to maintain the regime they've had there for the last 50 years. i think one of the interesting developments here. many of the other republicans candidates for president took the other road and strongly over-perform posed this action. but the republican congress is talking about not funding our embassy this. so in all these instances that

you mentioned over the last week, all this progress you see, the president pushing america forward and the republican party trying to draw america back. and elections are always about the future. americans look to the future. i think that's a losing strategy for the republican party. maybe a winning strategy in republican primaries, it's a losing strategy in a general election. >> unless castro does something trouble, you think you're right. >> republicans wasted no time voicing opposition. marco rubio, who is cuban american said, throughout this entire negotiation, as the castro regime has stepped up its repression of the cuban people, the obama administration has continued to look the other way if offer concession after concession. the administrations reported plan to restore diplomatic relations is one such prized possession to the cuban regime. ted cruz said, president obama announced today he is continuing his policy of unconditional surrender to fiddle and raul castro by rewarding one of the

most violently anti-american regimes on the planet with an embassy and an official representative of your government. jeb bush said, i oppose the decision to further embrace the castro regime by opening an embassy in havana. and scott walker said president obama's decision to establish full diplomatic relations with cuba and open an embassy there is yet another example of appeasement. i'm losing faith in scott walker. he's a governor in the real world. >> with the koch brothers and a lot of things, he's taken a stand on abortion. he is conservative, but comes across as more practical because he's had to govern. he went hard against the unions. but it seems to me that the tea party base of the republican part is still -- >> why do they care about castro? >> i think because there are some older, white -- >> well, me too.

but i'll live with this thing. this seems like a reasonable thing to do. >> but it's also another way of bashing obama. it's this reflexive approach that whatever he does, are the castros brothers worse than the chinese? i mean, come on. >> got to get to axle road on this. republicans are sounding an alarm led by ryan priebus over a 2009 e-mail exchange from secretary hillary clinton and david axelrod who wrote to her personal e-mail about an injury she suffered. they issued this press release, saying axelrod is busted because he said he didn't know about the private e-mail. >> what do you think about bill daily not knowing about the server? is that unusual, is that an issue? >> it is unusual. he was the chief of staff. i confess, i was there i was the

senior adviser, i didn't know that as well. >> so if you did find out when you were there, would you say, hey, whoa, wait a minute, guys, should we all talk about this? would you flag it? >> i might have asked a few questions about that. >> in a tweet today, axelrod responded. as i said before, i knew hrc had private e-mail. i did not know she used it exclusively or had her own server. it seems to me, the republicans, since they started the iraq war, they're in the business of conflating. here there's a message back and forth to her on a private e-mail and that you knew about the server. your response? seems to me you're already clear on this, but go ahead. >> yes. i knew she had an e-mail. i never denied that she had private e-mail. i didn't know she didn't have a state department address or server. >> now you're being sarcastic. >> actually, i think he's bright

in certain ways. >> in certain ways! [ laughter ] >> maybe he can determine from an e-mail whether someone has a private server or not. i'm not that smart. as you say, i think it's much ado about nothing, but it's reflective of what we'll see for the next many months. which is everything involving hillary is going to be inflated beyond its importance. >> thank you, david axelrod. i thought you made it clear, but thanks for coming on. david corn, thank you. up next, we're talking politics with former u.s. senator and presidential candidate gary hart. this is "hardball," the place for politics. why do i take metamucil everyday? because it helps me skip the bad stuff. i'm good. that's what i like to call the meta effect. 4-in-1 multi-health metamucil is clinically proven to help you feel less hungry between meals. experience the meta effect with our multi-health wellness line.

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twice, winning the new hampshire democratic primary in 1984. >> he was understandably happy when he met with reporters to talk about the future of the campaign. >> i look forward to a vigorous debate about this party's future. >> gary hart still concerned about his party's future and the future of american politics, especially with the twin phalanxes on capitol hill voting strictly along party lines in a quest for re-election. in the republic of conscience, comfreedman's portrayal of washington's revolving door, of legislators turned lobbyists. joining me now, gary hart. senator hart, thank you for joining us. >> my pleasure. >> i thought you got screwed politically in 1984, when you won all the primaries on super tuesday and the only one you lost was georgia, and out come the media and say that mondale won the next day. they're congratulating beckel and you won 7 of 9.

why was the media not on your side back in '84, when you could have been a real contender against reagan, you could have beaten him, maybe. who knows. >> the media will have to account for itself. i can't do that. but the headline in "the washington post" that next morning was hart/mondale split. well, the split was 7-2, as you indicated and i went on to divide the country, i think we each won 25 states, and the difference at that convention were the super delegates who all supported mondale. >> why do you think you didn't make it, when you really looked like you had the hot hand. you had a really hot campaign and you were the alternate to reagan, the old man, you were the new outdoor candidate. the outdoor guy almost always wins. mondale was clearly an indoor type person. you were the western guy, the

young guy that could have taken on reagan. what went wrong when you looked back? you must have looked back. >> chris, if you start at 1% or 2% and win 25 states and over 1,200 delegates, you don't think about what went wrong. the press was shocked. insiders were shocked at not only the victory in new hampshire, but the margin thereafter and super tuesday, and then as you all know, we went into the industrial states where the party establishment prevailed and in those states, they had a lock for vice president mondale. if even though the polls at the convention in san francisco showed that i had a much better chance at defeating the president they nominated the man they knew the best. >> let's talk about today. talk about the criticism in your book, it's rich with criticism. the role of money, party regularity, discipline, people not thinking for themselves.

let me ask you about the ideological direction of the party. bernie sanders is making a lot of noise, reminds me of the '60s. anti-war message, questioning the power elites in this country. hillary's more of a conservative in the sense of more of a traditional politician from the center. how do you think it will go? and where would you want it to go in terms of that battle? >> first of all, let me correct that impression. i was not a '60s person. i experienced the '60s as many others of my generation did. but i was a 21st century person, i was embracing globalization, the information revolution, and new technologies and a wide variety of things of that sort. so what i was trying to do was look over the horizon. today, i think senator sanders is rallying a base -- part of the democratic base that has not been appealed to because of what's going on in the

democratic party. i've never quite understood what that was, but avoidance, i think, of controversial positions. i think there is a chance for a generational change here. i think an awful lot of democrats and americans want new leadership. and part of what i comment on in the book is that the lobbying industry, the catastrophic increase in campaign financing and the insider network, the coalescence of an insider network in washington is making it that much more difficult. >> let me ask you, who would you vote for if you had to? if the caucuses in colorado were coming up between sanders and clinton? >> that's not the only choice. i've known governor o'malley for 20 or 25 years, more actually. and i have said i would support him out of loyalty, if nothing else.

but i also think he does represent a new generation. whether he will be able -- i'd like to comment on the polls, because i've been through this. >> sure. >> they are largely name recognition. the fact that mr. trump has gotten so much media coverage, i'm in new york right now. that's all you hear about, is the media covering trump. well, the polls as you know, often reflect name recognition. you stop somebody on the street, you give them 10 or 15 names, half of those people will pick a name they've heard of. and who have they heard of recently but donald trump? >> gary hart, the republic of conscience, good luck with the book. thank you for coming on "hardball" tonight. >> thank you very much. up next, everyone's firing donald trump out there except the republican primary voters. that's ahead with the roundtable. you're watching "hardball," the place for politics.

when mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. they're sending people that have lots of problems. and they're bringing those problems with us.

they're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime, they're rapists, and some, i assume, are good people. >> i like that assume part. that was donald trump making his now controversial remarks about mexicans and mexican immigrants in his june 17th presidential announcement. since then spanish language network univision announced it would cut all ties with donald trump and would drop its broadcasts of the miss usa and miss universe pageants. nbc has severed their relations and will no longer air the pageants as well. trump will no longer be participating in "the celebrity apprentice" program. and today, macy's department store ended ties with trump, and pulled their donald trump brand merchandise from its stores. joining me, michael spencer, with the "new york times" times.

jamelle, what's your point of view on this? because i'm openly skeptical of any of this hurting trump at the polls with republicans? >> i don't think it does. the interesting thing about donald trump, he seems to be the living avatar of a good chunk of the republican base that is xenophobic, that is biggoted, that wants to see someone say those things and not even apologize for it. as long as he keeps talking like this, he'll be fine. he's not going to win. >> to our older audiences, what is an avatar? >> he's an embodiment. >> does he represent the future of the republican party? >> i don't think so. there are angry and ugly forces in the far right of american politics, they exist, they're not influential, but they can be, if someone can harness them. and i think trump -- and this is not a good thing. i think trump's popularity is indicative of the extent to

which those people have influence in the republican party. >> what percentage would you say of the republican primary and caucus-going electorate is of that attitude? a third? what is it, a third, hard right? >> i think it's 15, 20%. >> really? >> but that's a 15 and 20% that a smarter, savvier politician can appeal to and peel away and make part of his coalition. >> i think he's like pat buchanan was one generation ago, but with kind of that new york appeal. the new york city, manhattan gotham appeal that anybody in new york, who's a media figure like he is, comes with, which is a hell of a lot of wind at your back. >> that and these people see that he has convictions and that he's going to stick to them and he's not going to waiver from them. i would also point out -- >> how would you define his convictions? what is it about illegal immigration? >> he keeps saying, i'm going to do something, i'm going to build a wall and stop people coming in.

>> is he going to stop illegal hiring on golf courses around the united states? are they going to stop hiring illegal immigrants to cut the lawn? stop them from making the beds? >> he said he's going to try. >> when it comes to money, they never stop it. >> if you look at the populations of iowa and new hampshire, you see latino populations, 6% and 3%. those are kind of homogenous states. if you go into those states, you will hear republican voters who are really angry about illegal immigration and they like what he's saying. they think he's going to do something for them. >> that's interesting. is this guy a factor? >> he's just kind of occupying the part of the republican party that gets passed around and candidate to candidate. when herman cain was in the lead and whatever, just taking the portion of the party that is interested in these kind of, as you described them -- >> i'll tell you one big difference, $8 billion, the difference between him and herman cain.

>> that's how much he's worth. that's how much he says he's worth. >> i'm not quibbling. a billion is a lot. it's a thousand million. it's 8,000 millions. you can quibble about the margin of error. if he wants to win the election and is willing to spend a couple hundred million, he could stay in this thing in the way herm -- herman cain nine nine nine could not stay in. i think there's a lot of americans who watch television and they like a person with the co-honies to break with political correctitude. they know what you're supposed to say on television, what you're supposed to apologize for. and if a guy comes long and says, i'm not going to apologize for it, i think that's an appeal.

>> he has taken on macy's. said they're racial profiling. >> he said they have a border policy. >> he said that too. anyway, the roundtable is staying with us. up next, no smoking gun in the new batch of hillary clinton e-mails, but that's not stopping republicans. this is all they got, e-mail, and here they are, at the place for politics. there's nothing more romantic than a spontaneous moment. so why pause to take a pill? and why stop what you're doing to find a bathroom? with cialis for daily use, you don't have to plan around either.

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the state department released 3,000 of hillary clinton's e-mails from 200 narn. the first batch to be made public after a federal judge ordered them to be released on a monthly basis. while they don't provide much fodder for clinton's opponents, they do show she wanted to spend more time with president obama. one reads, i see the president at least once a week while kissinger saw nixon every day. and another e-mail shows confusion over a cabinet meeting that she heard about over the radio.

i heard there's a cabinet meeting this morning. is there? can i go? if not, who are we sending? the radio got it wrong and referred to a meeting of lower level officials. what comes across is with her all credentials, she's a regular person. she's worried about who went to the party. i wish i had more time with the president. i'm not knocking about this. this is no expose. >> there's nothing nefarious so far and she looks a little insecure. she cares a lot about the media coverage of her. what it told me is that any of us who believed in 2009, 2010 that she was not going to run for president again, we were naive. she's been looking at this the whole time. >> it's interesting that you brip up her concern with media coverage. not surprising. she went through the 1990s with this intense scrutiny on her. i think it is part of her dna.

>> is she more secretive than most? >> i don't know. my hunch is she is probably a little more secretive because. past history but i generally think that most politicians are secretive. not even trying to hide anything. they just don't want to tell people things. that's my experience, having worked on the inside them don't want you on the inside, journalists. >> did it take a mistake of e-mails to learn more about her and to have an insight into who she is? if you read them, i find her fairly compelling. who is not worried about their access to their botts boss? most people are. >> who knows how to use a fax machine? >> maybe the e-mails will end up helping her but i can't believe anybody will vote against her because of the e-mail issues. there are larger issues in the world. >> i can't imagine someone walking into a voting booth and saying i agree with hillary on education but those e-mails. >> that was my conundrum. thank you. when we return, let me finish with why we have ted kennedy to

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that excellent team exempt when they came up against the u.s. women. if you think this doesn't matter in this country to what we think about ourselves, i don't know what to say to you. if you do get a kick out of this sensational run this u.s. women's soccer team is making for the cup, let's not forget why we're in this thing and at the very highest levels. in 1972, the united states senate led by ted kennedy and others got something called title 9. and here's what it said in the law. no person in the united states shall on the basis of sex be excluded from participation in, be deny the benefits of or be subjected to the discrimination under any education program or activity receiving federal financial assistance. that's title 9. and it has made all the difference. if you're in a family of women athletes like ours, you know the joy that girls get from soccer. our carol i'm not is a midfield stalwart. kathleen played tennis for stanford and the women had to pay for their transportation for road game so times have changed. our women are world contenders because we gave them an equal

chance here at home. that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "all in" with chris hayes starts right now. tonight on "all in." >> we knew we had to change the venue. >> first colorado, now wisconsin. as we go live to another massive rally for bernie sanders. does hillary clinton have an actual electoral challenge on her hands? plus, the republican problem with more great polling news for donald trump. >> the illegals are pouring into the country. it's far worse than anybody knows. >> general joy reid reporting live from the scene of the south carolina church fire. and as the resistance to marriage equality continues in pockets around the nation, my interview with the kentucky county clerk who would rather to go jail than issue same-sex