flights to go there. >> there's no doubt the loser in this situation is smaller and mid-sized cities because they don't have the competition. after this consolidation and mergers with international airlines they are the ones that are the big losers. the big cities are fine. they have plenty of competition in that will have to be the last word. thank you both for joining us tonight. >> thank you. >> "hadrball" is up next. no guts, no glory. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. there is something happening in american politics it is and not exactly clear. bernie sanders is drawing crowds like nobody else. and donald trump is spiking to the top of the polls. what are the forces driving voters to give these two very different guys a look and perhaps even a vote?

election season has begun, certainly and that's for sure. people are looking for someone left or right to show some guts. robert costas, the front page political reporter on the "washington post." joan walsh is editor at large with salon. our new program shows bernie sanders is gaining momentum. according to the poll, hillary clinton still leads 52% to 33%. but since may, clinton has lost 8 points while sanders has picked up 18 points. yesterday, a convincing crowd of 10,000 people packed the vets memorial coliseum in wisconsin where sanders played the part of progressive pop star. >> what this campaign is about is creating a political revolution in america. the greed of corporate america and the billionaire class has got to end.

and we are going to end it for them. this is not democracy. this is oligarchy and we've got to end it. they may have the money but we have the people. and with the people standing together, we can win. thank you all very much. >> you had the 10,000 people in wisconsin. he announced a fundraising hall of $15 million in the last quarter. way ahead of expectations. they're not so bad compared to hillary clinton's $45 million. that is impressive for a guy like him. in republican handle, donald trump continues to raise heck. as we showed you yesterday, he has shot himself out of a cannon and is now number two in the republican field. there he is. trump has shown even more disdain for the republican establishment that bernie has for the democratic establishment. here's an example. sadly, politicians are all

talk and no action. here's what's going to happen. the lobbyist there's come see me but i don't give a [ bleep ] about lobbyists. okay? >> robert costa, a lot of fun and i'll tell you, i think politics at its best has some fun element. is this more than fun? >> i think it is more than fun in this sense. you're seeing a movement bend. the bases of both parties, they want someone. >> madison is a progressive capital. that's the university of wisconsin. marching in the '60s. >> did they get the day off? i always wonder where people come from. did they get the day off? >> they've been poke and poked by governor walker year after year and they want to see a liberal fighter. >> what's going on? i think there's something in the air about the political class. what do you think of the job performance of the united states congress?

it is in single digits. that's the political class left, right and center. and everybody doesn't like it. >> and trump speaks right to that. that clip where he says i don't give a [ bleep ] about lobbyists. that's a sentiment of americans across the country. while washington frets about donald trump and bernie sanders, those two guys are going out in the country and capturing the imagination. the trick for trump is not to let his mouth get in front of his message. he has to now take that imagery and turn it into something, if he really wants to push for this. >> how do you arouse the crowd without really breaking the rules? it seems if you make a direct ethnic shot. if it is a direct ethnic shot and seen as such, most americans will rebel against it exempt the very hard right. he also wants sty they are corrupt. they don't know how to run anything. they don't have any border policy. that will work. >> well, yeah. i think michael is always very, very kind to donald trump in

saying that he has some kind of agenda that's beyond xenophobia. if he does, it is very inco-harnlt. i'm a little this questioning, that there is an anti-establishment feeling. we know what bernie sanders wants. a lot of democratic party, let's be honest, they want it too. they want single payer. they want to expand social security. they want debt-free college. they are sick of the student loans for students. hillary clinton supports some of it. we'll see how much she supports. on the other hand, donald trump is playing to the worst of the republican base. and really bringing out that xenophobia and nativism. and that will be a problem i think for the entire field. if he really keeps poking that horn ept's nest. >> i don't think we have an immigration policy. he is saying we don't have one. he is being too ethnic about it. nobody is taking responsibility. >> a big difference between sanders and trump. sanders has an ideology. trump does not.

this is not a coherent message. >> what -- >> i've seen trump on the trail. >> wait a minute. explain his gut attitude. what are people rallying to him for? >> it is a stew of populism, a little national i, anger, frustration, and he has real touch. i've seen him with voters on the trail. he is really good. >> and again, it is not a question of being kind to trump. it is recognizing what he's able to do. >> let me try something. i've been thinking about it all day. i want to try it with you, a progressive. could it be a length of strength at the top of these tickets? hillary will be there a while. she's been there a long time. the current political exseem to have no guts at the top. everybody is mealy mouthed. i don't know who the big tough leader. let's talk republicans. i don't think there's a strong person at the top of the republican polling. i see jeb hanging on there by name i.d.

eight out of nine republicans reject him. they know who he is and they're saying no. who is the leader of the republican party who could beat trump? >> i think again these two parties are very, very different. hillary clinton is enormously popular. >> talk republicans. >> i'm not sure. i'm not sure. i think jeb bush has been slow to denounce the mexican comments even though his wife is mexican and his kids are of mexican descend. i think he came out today and said something. they have a real problem. >> it sounds hike dukakis. >> joan has a point. i would say, excuse me mr. trump, my wife is a mexican. she's not a criminal. >> jeb is not looking to get drawn into that discussion. number one. number two, as much as you want to say who is the leader on the republican side, the democrats have their own frustrations.

because if they didn't, 10,000 people wonderful show up to see hillary. >> come on, michael. >> they want him to be president? those 10,000 people? >> it's an question of wanting him to be president. he is channeling elizabeth warren. he is channeling that wing. party who hillary has not spoken to. >> can i speak if only as a badger. i went to madison. you can get 10,000 people for a very left wing person. i love bernie sanders. who knows, i could vote for him. but you can turn out 10,000 people for a progressive in madison. >> that doesn't explain the 5,000 in iowa, the 3,000 in new hampshire. >> those are decent crowds. >> to obama's point, there is a movement out there on the democratic side. >> you talk on every single presidential campaign of the republicans, they're not even calculating that. they think he is going on flame out. >> by when? yesterday the former candidate

himself george pataki wrote a letter. all of them urging them to take down trump. he wrote, as donald trump doubles down, i'm asking to you join me in standing up. stand up for our party. stand up now. deannounce his comments today. here was trump's comments. he said governor pataki couldn't be elected dog catcher if he ran again so he didn't. so my question, i want to ask you about bernie. you say you vote for him. do people really see him as chief execive? the person in charge of the cia, the u.s. military, the marines. do they see him in that role? or do they see him as an ideological avatar. not to have the job of chief executive, commander in chief. i don't think anybody is thinking, commander in chief bernie sanders. >> i think there are very few thinking that. i think some of his die hard supporters think that. i wrote today about the late

michael harrington who i admire greatly. he would be thrilled to see the american media advancing american socialism right now. they hate hillary clinton but also because they do want a horse race. no one is really subjecting bernie sanders to the scrutiny he would get if he were a really serious candidate who had a real chance of toppling her. so i think there is a weird double standard going on. as a progressive, i'm glad his ideas are out there and he gets on explain them. no, i don't think people are saying what is his policy syria? what would he do there? that's not what this is about. >> you invoked the name harrington. he taught jack kennedy about poverty. >> bernie sanders, u.s. senator. a committee chairman. when you talk to his people, they say he's met the threshhold to be commander in chief. treat him with respect. >> since the letter imploring the field to fire trump, we've seen several candidates do it, or try to.

>> i don't need a letter from governor pataki. i said from day one that when you label a group of people as drug dealers, it is more about you than it is them. what trump said says more about trump than anybody else. >> i don't think he is reflecting the republican party with his statements about mexicans. i think that was a huge error on his part. and number one, it is wrong. we want somebody that has dealt with this before. not somebody that will shoot from the hip. >> comments are inappropriate. they have no place in the race. and jeb bush tried to knock him down a bit by saying his views are not reflective of the immigrant experience. i don't spend a lot of time going over the trump message. do you think that's elitist? >> not elitist. it is just indirect. i think jeb should be a little less nice and polite.

he can relate to it personally. he turns to his wife. trump. are you calling my wife -- >> and kids. george sr. said the little brown ones. this is an ethnic assault on his family. >> i think this affords him an opportunity to do that. to your first question, who will be the leader here? >> no one wants a sista soldier moment. >> i see a weakness at the top of your list. there is a lot of interesting candidates here. like lindsey graham who will never be president. what i see is a real problem finding a leader here and trump is going for the title. that's what's interesting about it. he's not running -- now that he's lost those connections to the commercial, his ship is burned. it is burned. he's on the beach. he has to win now. >> it should have happened when he was preaching birtherism to be honest. >> there is something we can go back on. why didn't anybody blow the whistle on this guy when he called the president an illegal

immigrant? thank you, everybody, have a great independence. fourth of july is coming on strong. and we're going to have to celebrate it tomorrow. college up, president obama says he's led a new reagan revolution. he says he's transformed the country. now he's looking at hillary clinton to complete the job. i wonder how she likes the job? plus, the president's best week ever is turning into the best month ever. he just knocked another big victory on the economy. the unemployment rate is way down. jobs are way up. they're touting it in the backyard of one of his critics say. scott walker. obama is sticking it to him. and the country is on heightened alert. law enforcement says there is no specific or credible threat. this year there's new concern because of the rise of isis. finally, let me finish with a statement. a sentiment that is both progressive. a sentiment very much american.

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welcome back to "hardball." if hillary clinton does win the white house in 2016, it will be the first time since 1988 that a candidate has succeeded another president of the same party. the last was republican george herbert walker bush who followed two terms of ronald reagan. now there's new evidence that president obama is thinking about his own legacy in those terms and he hopes to repeat what reagan is bush achieved 27 years ago. a headline on politico last night sum summarized. quote, i'll reagan and hillary

can be bush 41. according to the unidentified sources, obama said, quote, much in the same way the reagan revolution required both bush senior, we've got to make sure that we're laying the foundation for the next democratic president. while it's unconventional for a democrat to invoke the name of reagan, it is not the first time obama has praised the 40th president's success. in the heat of his primary campaign against hillary clinton in january 2008, obama told the editorial board of the reason over gazette that reagan transformed america. >> i think ronald reagan changed the trajectory of america in a way that, you know, richard nixon did not. and in a way that bill clinton did not. he put us on a fundamentally different path because the country was ready for it. >> later in that same campaign when clinton accused obama of

agreeing with the policies, which he didn't do. >> you just said that i complimented the republican ideas. that is not true. what i said had nothing to do with their policies. i spent a lifetime fighting against ronald reagan's policies. what i did say is that we have to be thinking in the same transformative way about our agenda. we have to appeal to independence and republicans. >> boy, i agree the president on that one. is president obama the ronald reagan of the left? is he living up to his promise to be a transformative enough to keep the white house under democratic control for another four years after his eight years. i'm joined by ruth marcus. can obama be a democratic reagan, meaning hits the history books as someone who change history? >> no is the short answer. the longer answer is in terms of

having an effect on the country, the type of effect that we heard the president talk about, changing the direction of the country, creating there working majority. we haven't seen it happen in the first six years of his presidency and we won't see it in the remaining time. that's not to say he won't have an important legacy and a reasonably good shot at being succeeded for the first time since reagan by his successor of his own party after two terms. but he's not transformative. >> reagan didn't create a republican congress. he didn't change politics. >> he cemented it. obama does not leave office having created a new vision of a democratic party or what he talked about in that clip, which is a country that somehow transformed by his presidency and united and brought together. didn't happen. >> i disagree but go ahead.

>> the conceptual frame is completely ronald reagan. it is not barack obama. you can't think of that bumper sticker of big ideas that are the democratic party's that came from barack obamaful i think what is interesting about this is he is telegraphing to his people that they'd better get in line and be helpful to her and at the same time he is telegraphing to her, wait a second. i have the ability to box you in and tweak you a little bit. your husband wasn't much. you won't be that much. >> let's try a couple things. bill clinton supported the iraq war. he supported the first gulf war from what i can tell. hillary supported the iraq war. obama came along and said we're not the hawks and he transformed the party. i would say that's transformative to me. >> at the point by which she might have been president eight

years ago, hillary clinton also had a different point of view. george w. bush was the one who transform the outlook of the democratic party when it comes to foreign entanglements. >> but hillary agreed with him. >> hillary agreed with barack obama -- >> no. she agreed with w. >> but eventually she agreed with barack obama what does eventually mean? when the decision is made is when it matters. >> what i'm saying is that barack obama and his anti-war view, the party at that point. the democratic party had transformed itself into an anti-war party. >> okay. fair enough. he became the leader. >> he is pretty global. this is not somebody -- >> that's new. >> this is somebody who wanted to get out of iraq and afghanistan. we're still there and going back into iraq. we've had a drone war across the world. we are getting into more and more foreign entanglements. this is not somebody who transform the democratic party.

>> let me try it another way. i hear you. certainly he's made the party much more open to the arab world. he's been trying cynic the cairo speech. to try to final peace over there. he's changed that. secondly, he said we're a free trading party. going beyond bill clinton saying we'll an free trading party whether the democrats like it or not. certainly on environment. he will never sign the key stone deal. ever. we'll open to cuba instead of keeping the cold war going. we'll to go cuba and open our relations to that country. i'm not hubert humphrey. not even jack kennedy. >> i don't think he's led the party. he didn't transform the democratic party. he just went out and made a deal with john boehner. >> but now we have a trade policy. >> two different questions. will barack obama leave the presidency with a significant legacy on many of the thing that you mentioned?

yes, he will. i think his legacy will be very significant. that's different from having been transformative. either for his party. >> let's look at the initial prop session we started. with he said he will lay the ground work for a long term democratic leadership in the white house. if you look at president obama's current approval ratings, they're not far from where ronald reagan was six and a half years into his presidency. according to the gallup poll. cnn's most recent poll has president obama's approval rating up at 50. there you have a president in good enough shape to help get the democrats elected again like reagan. you have to transform to something. what i thought was interesting, i need hillary to be a success as president. unless you have a successor who buys your act, you age a transform i have the president. i thought that was the interesting point and it probably bothers the clinton people, oh, that's our job.

>> he didn't even say hillary. >> your cute line, he said whoever that successor is. he didn't say hillary clinton. joe biden would be comparable to bush 41. >> the president has a clear interest in having the democratic successor who will happen to be hillary clinton as the nominee. because he is completely right. there are lots of pieces of business, smaller pieces of business that are unfinished. big pieces of business that can be undone. thinking about what could happen with obamacare. he has a huge interest in seeing her or whoever might be the nominee elected. >> the difference between me and you two people, i think obama has been an amazing president and i think he has been a transformative president. i think he's been different than all we've had today. i think he is much more outward

looking about trade and environment and climate change. he is looking agent it from a very big perspective and we'll see it over the next 20, 30 years of his life. >> we'll be back in 20, 30 years. >> you're already here and you're wrong. i am kidding. up next, a tense morning at the washington navy yard today. a reminder that the country is on heightened alert heading into the july fourth holiday weekend. happy anniversary dinner, darlin' can this much love be cleaned by a little bit of dawn ultra? oh yeah. one bottle has the grease cleaning power of two bottles of this bargain brand. a drop of dawn and grease is gone.

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federal authorities have worn local law enforcement about the rick of possible terror attacks this holiday weekend. official say there's no specifying threat but this he say this year is different than previous years thanks to the rise of isis. last week a spokesman for isis called on its followers to carry out attacks during ramadan. there was a scare in washington as local and federal security officials rushed to the navy yard after a worker reported

what she thought was gun fire. the premises were swept by officers. they found no evidence of a shooting. meanwhile in glands u.s. air officials have canceled july 4th events due to what they call local threat assessments. meanwhile the concern is especially acute in washington and new york where massive crowds are expected to descend for fireworks shows. savannah guthrie got a rare glimpse into the security operation the new york police department uses including the look at the intelligence nerve centers. here, officers worked 24/7 monitoring images feeding from thousands of security cameras around the 60. on the streets, toward respond within minutes, the nypd's so-called hercules team are heavily armed. and on the move. they travel with officers especially train and equipped to detect any radiological weapons.

known as dirty bombs. and with barges for the fireworks already in place, radiation detecting speedboats patrol the waterways. >> this will be shut down. >> reporter: we got a real job they handle when we took to the skies. in choppers equipped with cameras so powerful, they can zoo into street level. a key intelligence tool. >> for more, justice correspondent pete williams of how do we put it all together? the threat by lone wolves. >> that is the big concern. it is almost impossible to track them all and isis is reaching out in the last six months and has changed its tactics, reaching out to a much younger audience. people under 25, especially under 21, even juveniles. and they work this aggressively. they have you can, thousands and thousands of these social media tweets that come in every day. they try to befriend these people.

persuade them to come across to isis. the fourth of july week has always been since 9/11, something of concern because of the symbolic nature of it but it is different because of two factors. though one, this additional threat of isis. it come during ramadan when isis said people ought to be thinking about attacking the west. >> how do they take aggressive steps? is it rounding up the steps? how do you go out and reduce the number of potential lone wolves? >> you're right. this is part of it. we've seen something like a dozen or so. these are people under surveillance and that the fbi or local police believe were on the verge of taking action. but there are still hundreds of people under surveillance around the country. the fbi has said it has active investigations in every state. so that's part of it. trying to keep your eyes on the people that are worrisome because they have come to your attention.

the real heartburn is over the people that haven't come to their attention. that might be sitting there in the basement and thinking about doing something. then the other part of it is the big police presence. nypd said it will be the largest police presence for the fourth of july. in city's history. we'll have a more visible presence this washington. a similar edge many from police around the country. their other message is this. they dolt want people to get freaked out. they said americans are terrified now at the fourth of july. they want people to show up, have confidence in the police presence, but be alert. if they see something suspicious, report it. >> have a happy fourth of july. up next, president obama heads to wisconsin where scott walker is there to do a little bragging about the economy. it looks like the president's best week ever is turning into his best month ever. based on the economic numbers.

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welcome back to "hardball." the june jobs report is out. with the addition of 223,000 jobs, the unemployment rate went down to 5.3%. that's the lowest in seven years. wages aren't increasing as much as people would like but people are going to work. president obama has overseen 64 straight months of job growth. that's the longest streak on record. >> it's been a remarkable few weeks in america. health care is now affirmed as something everybody can get. the freedom to marry who you love. that's now open to all of us. the unemployment rate is now down to 5.3%.

keep in mind when i came into office, it was hovering around 10%. >> building on his wins, obama went to wisconsin to push his initiative to guarantee overtime pay. to salaried workers earning less than estimated $50,000 a year. next week, known for doing battle with big labor, governor walker greeted the president when air force one touched down in lacrosse. any way, the president took a thinly veiled swipe at walker. >> over the next year and a half you'll hear a lot of pitches from a lot of people. they'll deny that any progress has been made. we've got some healthy competition in the democratic party. i've lost count of how many republicans are running for this job. they'll have enough for actual hunger games. in the roundtable tonight. from the daily bc beast ask from

the daily mail. we had a segment where i was defending this president as a major force in history and i'll stick to it because of these numbers coming out right now. because this is tough political times in this country. people aren't happy but he is putting stuff on the board. michael. he is putting number on the board and history on the board i watch the democrats talk about health care and nixon and teddy roosevelt talk about health care and it never happened now. now we got it through supreme court. >> pretty substantial presidency. no question about it. if the jobs numbers hold out, he will end up -- i shouldn't say he created. the economy will having created on his watch something on the order of 7 million jobs or something which us that him not in clinton territory. not quite reagan territory in second place. but other than that, right up there. wages have to go up. that's the big thing. the labor force rate, that was not a very good piece of it. but the jobs numbers, sustained,

sustained, sustained. month after month after month. that will make wages rise. >> he was left in the dump better you the republicans. i went back and looked at the numbers. the labor, the number of people working in this country was really going down for a couple years. even when he came in, it was still going down. >> people were starting to question if it was possible to have a successful second term presidency. you look at clinton. it was tarred by monica. bush, tarred by iraq and the financial crisis. so people are saying the first three years -- >> do you know economics? >> of course. >> let me ask you an economic question. i don't know the answer. it is not a rhetorical question. if you had gone with an austerity policy like europe. if he had. i will squeeze everything down, stop spending, tighten the belt. would have worked? based on history right now? >> that's a huge debate to have and clearly republicans would say no and democrats would say

absolutely. i'm sorry. republicans would say yes. >> is there any anecdotal evidence that a tightened belt would have worked? he had a policy and it worked. >> i will say, i agree. i think it is difficult to get into counter. he is having a great month. it is undeniable the unemployment rate went down significantly since he took office. like he said today. it was nearing 10% at the beginning of his presidency. now it is down to 5.9. >> how will that help on the left? like the angry labor people. people like bernie sanders out running for the nomination. they're angry about the trade deal. he says i've cared about jobs, wages, this is the best anybody has done. so believe in me and believe in my good faith. will that work? >> if i look at the polls for the president, he is at 50% now.

along the way the unemployment rate has been steadily going down and you see americans are upentity the economy. they think it is not good enough. partially because they're not making enough wages so i don't know if this job support will be what does it. especially what you said about trade. i think they're very upset about the trade deal. that won't go anywhere because he hasn't actually finalized the trade deal. >> the trade adjustment stuff. >> the trade deal itself. he has to actually make, it has to come back. >> he'll have the republicans to do that. >> labor will never be fully happy with him. the kiblds of jobs are not manufacturing jobs. >> how many labor jobs in the country right now. i'm teasing. we do not have a big manufacturing sector in this country anymore. we don't. other countries do. we have lost it. >> yeah. we've lost a lot of that. and tpp, that will be a big hang-up between obama and the unions. no question about it.

it will be a hang-up between hillary clinton too. i would suspect he'll come after it. >> he broke into song in tennessee, yesterday, in a town hall. let's listen to him. >> is your name really davy crockett? that's a cool name. you don't have the beaver cap. >> i've got one at the house. >> do you remember that tv show? actually, a lot of people are too young here. ♪ davy ♪ ♪ davy crockett ♪ i love that. >> he started with al green a if you years ago. he did amazing grace. now davy crockett. he is too young. he wasn't around during those days. >> maybe he loved the reruns i loved the reruns. who doesn't love that? >> fixing up the government laws as well. you can't beat those lyrics. >> no. i mean i think it is clear because of all the issues that

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remember when chris christie tried to explain away his low poll number in new jersey saying it is because people want him to stay governor? it turns out that was all spin. a new monmouth poll asked if he would make a good president? the poll followed up, would christie make a bad president? 5% said they would rather have him stay on as governor. 89% said they answer that had way because they thought he would make a lousy president.

we're back with the round table. republic on oppositions in the gay marriage strategy. at the very time moderate republicans want to escape positions that isolate them from a diverse country, some hard right leaders seem ready to double down on eliminating traditional values. their phrase, george f will says 16 months before the election, some candidates are becoming too unhinged to be plausible presidents. among them scott walker is calling for a constitutional amendment that allows states to ban same-sex marriage. here he was. >> if the court decides that the only next approach is for those supporters of marriage being defined between a man and woman is a constitutional amendment. >> you would favor a ounce

constitutional amendment that would say the states are allowed to ban same-sex marriage. >> i believe it should be left up to the states. >> the ted cruz, from texas is taking on the court and calling for federal judges to retention. >> i'm propposing an amendment to the united states constitution that would subject each and every justice the of the supreme court to periodic judicial attention. >> well, that's in thatceps, if we have judges up for reelections, they are basically politicians and have to meet the standards of the latest poll. >> that pollizes the court. the one thing you didn't show that i found most shocking is bobby jindal who says he was being glib when he said he but he said maybe we should get rid of the entire supreme court.

that to me -- >> this is so unoriginal. i grew up with the court but they act like it's a brand-new idea to attack the supreme court, a fresh new notion. trashing the court is what is going on since roosevelt didn't like the court, he tried to pack it and conservatives didn't like it because brown case and the rest of it, they didn't like the prayer in school case, so they trashed it. >> didn't lincoln try to make it 13 people or something like that? it goes way back. >> so boring. >> it's going to be a huge issue. >> let's play with this idea of cruz'. he's a lawyer, went to harvard law, brilliant guy. >> former general of the state. >> how did he think would work every eight years would have a retention election? the supreme court justice would have campaign and have advertising and the people that didn't like it would run

advertising campaigns against it. is this an improvement? >> how can you think more elections, more money, more poll litization, would they join political parties. >> what about the justice who doesn't have any money? >> he doesn't actually think this, chris. of course, he doesn't think this. this is something that sounds good, good read meat for his crowd and as a matter of fact, if we had something like that on at least on the question of same-sex marriage in most jurisdictions, the judges against same-sex marriage would get voted out. he doesn't mean this. >> why have judges if it's all about elections? it's not an independent judiciary. >> get rid of the entire branch of government. >> like let's get rid of the irs. who is going to collect taxes if not the irs?

do they think, there won't be taxes and there won't be judges. >> again, a lot of these are over reactions to an adverse ruling, which i think they should have seen coming. i think it was clear how the court was going to rule on this but i think a lot of them are honestly responding with an over reaction. maybe he doesn't think that. maybe he's just saying that. >> you don't think they are afraid of an unpopular government but popular government and 62% of independent voters support same-sex marriage and the black helicopter is coming from a government that's popular and being the odd man armed. they are afraid of the popular views of this country. they don't like the way we're head in this country, and i understand that. >> how are they ever going to appeal to young voters, 74% of whom believe in same-sex marriage or climate change? none of them believe in climate change and this is happening. >> the vast majority i don't think they need to change views because no one is naming the

realistically, not no one, but most are saying it's the economy. it's terrorism. it's all these issues that aren't climate change or gay marriage in 2016. >> let me remind you, they are voting on guns. don't under estimate that. thank you jay newton small. francesca chambers. >> when we return, let me finish with a sediment that's very much american right now like it or not. you're watching "hardball" the place for politics. ive bladder? try always discreet. up to 40% thinner, for superior comfort. absorbs 2x more than you may need. no wonder more women prefer always discreet pads over poise. visit alwaysdiscreet.com for coupons and to learn more.

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let me finish tonight with a sentiment that's progressive and conservative. there is a growing sense left and right that the political class and the people that run for office every time like the kids in school that ran for class president or student body president are not looking out for the country. they don't take responsibility for stopping illegal immigration or for focussing on protecting this country from a dangerous world, but are instead drags us into regional fights that have really little to offer us in terms of security hear. instead, they are seen raising millions from the powerful both from the billionaires and special interest groups instead of seeing elected politicians taking on the social interest. we see them kissing them to get their campaign checks. it's humiliating and convinces us we americans are not being protected and looked for by people who will do anything or nothing to keep their jobs.

this is why bernie sanders is drawing big crowds, why donald trump is to the top of opinion polls. people want what they are selling because the perennial political class are grabbing offices but refusing to meet the duties those officers are charged with. there is a reason the u.s. congress has a single digit level job approval now. nine out of ten of us have no confidence they are doing the job up there. if you don't like that explanation of why bernie and donald are doing so well, come up with another. that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. have a happy fourth of july. "all in with chris hayes" starts now. good evening from the comcast building of new york city. it's the fourth of july week so we're having friends over for a cookout and a celebration of america. welcome to the all in the usa special cookout spectacular and