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>> that would work right? >> exactly. >> that would work. >> good morning. this is a conversation you will never know anything about. it's great to have you here. mark hal per son, there are nine leads today. >> at least. >> at pleft. >> name them them. >> oh my goodness iran iran greece. >> wrong. >> iran greece the death of jerry weintraub. >> oh boy, that is a sad one. >> bernie mania. trump-a-licious. and then bill cosby and there are some sports-related stuff. >> yeah. >> and isis we're close to nine. >> wide world of news. >> something with justin bieber happened. that's nice. >> jerry weintraub, we were out if palm springs for another event and just lung out there a couple months ago. yeah, very shocking.
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he's just a guy that always brought a smile to your face even when he was maddening, as we all can be maddening. we love jerry. he'd bring a smile to your face. he's an extraordinary guy. this guy managed elvis. he managed sinatra. he managed zeppelin. he managed john denver at his height. he did all of these extraordinary things and music and then he just moved on to movies. >> maybe the best story-teller that i met in my lie. he had so many stories. he wrote this memoir years ago called "stop talking when i'm dead." le would say give me an elvis story already. there is the king. there is me. sinatra is in the room. you never met a story-teller like him. they were all true they were real they were his life. >> we will talk about jerry, there is no doubt he will talk to god right now.
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god is telling him the meaning of life. jerry goes, i know i know, i was there, don't you remember? sinatra. so. >> the god father said clint said he was a big part of life. >> to jane and the entire family. we do have an awful lot to talk about. why don't we go through the news? catty kay is there. catty, i know you have been up all night trying to sort the nine stories in order and so we're all very excited to see which ones you consider the most important. >> okay. i am going to start with iran mark. the u.s. and iran seeming likely to miss another deadline in their nuclear negotiations. yesterday, tehran called for an end to the united nations arms
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embargo in the country. separate from the one aimed at curbing their nuclear program. both russia and china have expressed support for at lowest a partial lifting of the arms embargo. the united states has been opposed since it could allow iran to expand its military system to the president and among other forces in the region. however the white house would fought rule out it was discussed around that table, noting other topics are on the table in vienna as well. >> our efforts have been focused on iran's nuclear program and the goal of these conversations is to prevent iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon and ensure they coordinate with international efforts to comply with the agreement. that itself the focal point of these conversations. now, what we having a nojd if previous lines of questioning is there have been other things that come up on the sidelines of these talks. to be the most prominent example
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of that is the concerns we have about american citizens who are being detained in iraq. >> well, a deal may be aproeching given a shift in attitude in tehran. yesterday the "new york times" bureau chief tweeted quote, after days of pessimism, iran state deal is coming. the americans have compromised on their own red line. of course, that is what the iranians want to say it was the americans making the compromises, not the power sitting on the table in vienna. >> we know that congress is going to reply putting new demands on lifting an arms embargo, which i doubt many in congress. what about europe? have the iranians finally drawn a red line that we all cannot cross? >> yeah i think this will go down wale with the p-5 members as well. it's like they're iran i inserting something at the very end of the negotiating process.
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this hasn't been discussed up until now t. focus of the discussions has been on what to do about iran's iranian that it already has. what and how to do about the sanctions and when to lift them and which sanctions to lift and the inspection process, now putting in arms embar goes as well. i think that will be very difficult for the other p-5 numbers to accept articles from russia. >> it's only going to employ intentions between members of congress on the hill and both party in the white house on this deem. this deal keeps at least by press reports seems to keep getting worse, certainly politically worse. the iranians are saying well the americans have compromised on their own red lines. president obama, we know the republicans will go on this. but president obama is now inviting senate democrats over to the white house for some probably arm twifkt on iran.
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how difficult is it going to be for democrats to go along with a deal that seems to give the iran rance much of what they want? >> well look with all deals nothing is decided until everything is decide. i think the administration is worth walking away from a bad deal. you say republicans aren't going to go for it. i don't think they can strike a deal if they can't get senator corker here a few days ago on board. i think they have to brief republicans in a big way and tick off republicans as this isn't going to happen. >> catty, i was going to ask you how this bodes, inserting this new element into the negotiation and doing it so publicly on iran's part. what does that mean where it's headed? >> i wonder if it's the iranians playing with el to their domestic politics. you see two things talking about adding the embargo and the line how americans have crossed red lines. you know what it's like when you
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negotiate, you want to make it look like you are in the strong position. the other side is kabing. i read the last minute negotiating tactics. i think the iranians are looking seriously what's happening in congress and the words coming out of the white house. they're prepared to work away from this. maybe that's causing a certain amount of panic. talking of panic, by the way mark we will stick with your foreign stories at the moment. this one is having global repercussions already. let's look at that financial crisis. we talked about it in greece t. banks are still closed. an emergency euro zone summit is being held in brussels. the leaders of france and joernl are calling for greece to submit serious incredible proposals that it wants to stay in the euro zone. greece's prime minister is expected to pose cuting the country's debt by up to 30%. cnbc is live in athens with the
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latest. julia, do you think they will planning to come up with something of a european success? >> reporter: and that's the crucial question t. greek media are going all in. the deadline date for tsipras, he of course flying into brussels this morning to kick off these negotiations, he is supported by the landslide victory this weekend the no vote upon the sincerity, that t concern is that will embolden his start. pushing for the debt forgiveness the europeans have been so willing to give up at this point. remember he also made a promise to the pensioners the key risk he doesn't back down again and worse the creditors don't back down, too. he switched out his final. he got somebody everybody hopes will have a positive impact from these storms. we have to wait to see whether or not he can come up with what kind of start he will take here. we know the hope and the ball
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very much resting in alexis tsipras' talks. they kick off in just over two hours time this deadline is very real for the real economy here in greece t. hope is we get it in favor in time. >> i know it's a crisis but it still looks absolutely stunning. tanks, julia. joe, you know, that greek crisis, why are we covering that one? >> i don't know. i don't know. yeah and, amy, are you exactly right. it does look beautiful there. except for the red line and riots that break out. butter is iiously, with catty later on this hour we will get let you talk about your favorite greek island. >> so gene it was a wonderful celebration after the no-vote. it must be very exhilarateing
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for the greeks to tip their hat. they woke up the next morning, though with a nasty hangover. >> they're having to go right back to the table and deal with the same germans and the same realities that i'm sorry in large part they're unambivalent. >> here's the joke angela merkel decides, i'm going to greece, i'm going to settle the once and for all. she goes to the airport. she's in the immigration line t. immigration officer says her name angela merkel. age, 56. occupation, not yet. ba dumb bump. >> more jokes. they don't get old, do they? >> no, they never do. >> so you won the pulitzer prize and that's your contribution to a greek crisis. >> i told julia i would try to get it in. there is my shot t. greeks do
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have a situation to deal with but they now have they're now all in on defiance. right. they're all in on we're not going to be bosd around by the germans, we're not going to do what they try to make us do. so where do we go from here? >> this is the conundrum they have acquiesced to us a territory measures for the $250 billion they've gotten over the years. we still have pensioners not having money for groceries. you understand the greek reaction to this. i heard a counterintuitive analysis the bigger eu picture by a big swiss bank weeks ago. he says the real fear of a great exit is not that it will be a disaster for greece it actually won't be that bad. it will encourage other countries consider leaving the euro zone. >> a game of chicken. so far the germans and the french are not blinking. i don't think they will. i think they are dug in on
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saying they will demand substantial reforms this country can't deliver. >> what is their incentive to blink? if they lose europe greece is okay. if greece loses europe greek is in trouble. >> i think the sense that other countries will leave as well. there is a human element, there is despite the different cull cures, there is a sense of a united europe. this is a part of the european community having a problem. again you said yesterday, how is it that the people that made all the mistakes are trying to make demands. i think again on the balance sheet for the french and others there is no incentive. >> it's a basic disconnect. there is no common fiscal policy in the european union. there will always business that tension. >> actually that is what i may have read yesterday, exactly what milton freeman said all of
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these people together will have different monetary policies they're not to be disasters. >> nor should you if you respect national sovereignty. countries get to set their own fiscal policy. >> hold on. we're talking europe here. come on. >> i think the attitudes and the greeks are responsible for their own choices. >> you can understand why taxpayers don't want to throw good money after bad. >> i think at the end of the day, i would guess if i were sitting in the seats of these finance minsters i would be a lot more worried about spain, italy and portugal than greece i would say, let's cut our losses we can't save greece, let them go. we cannot send a message to spain because a loss of spain would be devastating. if we have to really bail somebody out then we may have to save our energy and our money and political capital for spained a fought greece. >> right. why do you think the markets
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here responded with barely a wimper to what is happening? i think they have decided. basically, investors have looked at europe and decided the risk of contagion diminished so much even if greece were to leave the euro soeb the european central bank would step in. spain would fought leave the euro zone. there won't be massive repercussions from what we're seeing down the list. >> new details about sexual assault allegations against cosby. newly released court documents from a 2005 deposition show cosby admitted under oath to buying way qualudes and gave the sedative to at least one woman and other people. >> reporter: in a deposition from 2005 bill cosby says he
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obtained quaaludes. he said when you got them was it in your mind that you were going to use them for young women you wanted to have sex with? according to deposition cosby replied, yes. at the time he was sued bay woman who claimed she was drugged and sexually assaulted in the 1970s. according to deposition, when asked ability an encounted were in lough, cosby says she meets me back stage. i give her quaaludes. we then have sex. the lawsuit was dismissed if 2006. cosby's attorneys fought hard keeping them from being released. saying he would be embarrassed. more than two dozen accuse him of sexual assault. sam say they were drugged. >> le admits he gave them three half pills of benedryl. attorneys have not returned a call on the deposition. cosby has never been cardinaled with a crime. in the past he and his
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representatives denied all the allegations, few listened to the alleged victims on tv they heard this from the deposition. they said the rang exactly true to their experience with bill cosby. >> it's more than embarrassing. it's disgraceful. obviously, bill cosby didn't want the public to know this when he's making a commercial for jell-o. he's the american dad. we grew up watching "the cosby show." this new spigot a little heart breaking for a lot of his fans. >> you talk about lining up the bill cosby for this story, it reminds mae lot of joe paterno who for decades we saw as vir coup. >> more frankly, joe paterno turned a blind eye to unforgivable conduct. it's cosby in this case who is guilty of the unforgivable conduct. it's very sad.
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it's very sad he was a paragone. he is a powerful figure in american economy and to many african-american, especially. i remember when he first appeared on "i spy" with robert cullp. this was must-see tv in my house and many many houses because he was the first african-american in a sort of leading role in a tv series. >> he often spoke to moral issues in the african community. we understand he had this disturbing double life. >> it's tough to build a legal time around him. his lawyers taking all that money to try to keep documents sealed to pay people off. just incredible. think of these women shouting into the wind since the 1970s and told by people it's bill cosby, you don't want to go there. finally getting their day. we will see where this heads. one more story to get in. a florida quarterback is kicked off the team following the relegals of a video that apparently shows him punching a
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woman at a nightclub. the 19-year-old freshman deandre johnson was charged with battery on june 24th and was suspended indefinitely from the team the next day. after the footage was released by the state attorney's office yesterday, he was kicked off the florida state football team. we want to warn you, this video is disturbing. in it johnson can be seen scuffleing with a woman inside the club. he is holding her arm. at one point she swings at him with her left hand. then johnson throws a right cross to her face before disappearing off camera. >> oh! >> here's what johnson's attorney told nbc news about the incident. >> the woman in the video was clearly had drinks and, but that's not an excuse. we don't make that as an excuse or anything like that. deandre johnson will own up to this incident and hopefully he'll learn from it and move on. again, i couldn't stress he truly just wants to get an education.
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the actions of both individuals on this video are not acceptable and i think that we need to basically look at this case and allow our young adults to learn from their experiencens and mistakes. >> here mistakes. the woman was sitting there. >> the attorney said his client tried to deescalate the situation. but then he regrets his response. he is now volunteering at a shelter for women of domestic violence. his lawyer says he yelled ratio el epithets and it wasn't until she struck him twice he reacted. a victim yelled no at johnson prior to him punching her. the warranted says she had swelling under her eye and a cut near the bridge of her nose. affiliate says he was released after posting $5,000 bail. they reached out to the victim.
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she declined comment here. >> another quarterback has an issue, of course the number one draft pick. heisman kroef winner accused of raping a woman in a bathroom at a party, shoving her face on the ground, never charged. there was a camera at the bar. there wasn't a camera in that bathroom. another embarrassment. >> fsu, the football team did right thing. they suspended him immediately, threw him off the team u. you give them credit there. that's an ugly scene t. kid is just a freshman. >> i'm sorry, but, you know you walk away. >> i can't imagine how terrifying it would be to be stocked by a college football player as a woman. you would be frightened every time you turn the corner t. way he so easily swung out makes me think it wasn't just a mistake. this is won who resorts to violence with ease. >> also what about the culture?
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>> right. >> the school. what about the culture that would have the guy feeling like he can get away with punching a mind woman who, you know like other alleged victims at the bar you know it's unbelievable. it's absolutely unbelievable. a woman and there is apparently a real culture problem. there has been a criticism of fsu for 20 years. >> it has been and part of the criticism, actually is impunity and all sort of incidents that sort of gets covered up. >> for 20 or 30 years. >> right fsu is fsu. >> and this town i don't know, obviously, willie the south, football is king. >> yep. >> certainly, i went to a school where football is king. i'm sure you know you have
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these individual incidents that happen from time to time. but every school there does seem to be a culture problem going back 30 years at fsu. >> there are many examples you could cite. i would say it's division i athletics. in a lot of way, football particularly basketball high profile sports these guys are so elevated culturally at these schools, there is a sense of they can do what they want to do. not every school i don't want to paint it with too broad a brush, they'll be protected t. school will take care of them. the police might look the other way. it's got to change it's not just bar fights it's sexual assaults and worse. >> we brought it up earlier, i said the south. i'm only saying the south because that's the region i grew up in. we were just talking about joe paterno, penn stated and a guy that systemattically raped little boys for years under the cover of penn state.
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>> the assistant coach witnessing it in the shower room. >> so again there is so widespread, it's not just players. it's coaches, it's everything. it's really really depressing. >> let's hope it starts to change. still ahead on "morning joe," president jim ply carter will join the table. he will be here with us in a bit. plus, president obama says the fight against isis is a generational struggle. former u.s. ambassador to iraq chris hill will be our guest. you are watching "morning joe." we'll be right back.
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another. you do really have to wonder if this was a culture really of america's past time. with i is football now. i mean more than baseball. it just is it seems way too widespread. >> i would say that young guys watch what happens to older guys. so few are a player at school x who sees something terrible and has that buried by the administration or covered up by police. now you know the next time you do something you will be okay too, maybe it makes you freer to throw the punch at the bar, it's called culture. >> that's what i was talking about. it starts at fsu. if you look at the alleged victim for jameis winston says and there is just seems to be a culture there where she sits there and actually is the one that gets driven out of school. i remember looking at documentary being so shocked that all these women, fans of fsu, were calling her all these
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horrible names and driving her out of school. but you can't say it's about fsu. i remember seeing women wearing ray rice shirts the day after ray rice punched his wife in the face on the elevator. >> unbelievable. >> you can afford to be a sportsman in a little watched sport. you have these football programs that pay for everything. that's why they are will be to protect these young men. >> football actually pays for itself. it's very big football schools that goes to revenue. i went to one michigan right. i was telling them you know football and basketball players essentially did have their own rules, but frankly, i never heard of anything like this i was editor of the student paper. we covered these guys pretty well. i didn't hear about the sort of violent incidents. we are beating up women.
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are you a big, bad, football player. >> as i said though fsu did handle this one well. hopefully, this is the new standard. >> i hope it is. catty, let's look at the morning papers, what are we looking at? >> the international times, britain will fall silent following a tenth anniversary attacking the transit that killed 56 people. on this day back in 2005 london fell victim to the first suicide bombing by islamist militants in western europe. residents, survivors, royalty and senior politicians would all gather to remember the people wlorp killed. >> catty, if i could just ask you what this day means to you ten years on? >> i was actually here and for me in many ways it was 9-11. it was the real shocker because i lived through it. i felt it. i saw the psychic shift in the country and myself having been through that. when it happened if europe i guess my fear when london
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happened, the london two bombings, was this was the beginning of something else. i had grown up with the ira, with the prospect of bombings in lovenltd i thought maybe we were going to have a massive wave of big attacks in europe and thank god we haven't had anything like 9-11 or 7-7 since then. >> a terrible day ten years ago. let's move to reuters. pope frances continues his homecoming tour of south america, ecuador, the pontiff paced his homily around the theme of family which will be the subject of the month-long assembly at the vatican . . >> the women win over japan in the world cup on sunday. making it the most watched
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soccer telecast in the history of u.s. televings. the u.s. team arrived yesterday in los angeles a. rally for team usa builds today in southern california and, yes, the team got a call from president obama congratulating them on the victory. what a great game. >> what an amazing game. >> unbelievable. >> 25 million viewers him willie certainly, that bests world series i mean for people that are always laughering and say, oh soccer it was supposed to be big when pele came to america. it's getting real big. >> four years ago the united nations was in the final. it's a big draw it's up 88% over four years ago. >> prime time health. coming up the must read opinion pages, later, how millennials are clanging politics as we know it and why
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we have crowds in minneapolis in denver all throughout iowa in new hampshire. look at this turnout here tonight in portland. and the answer is i think, pretty obvious. from maine to california we have friends in alaska and hawaii as well the american people understand that establishment politics and establishment economics is not working for the middle class. >> another big crowd for senator bernie sanders in portland maine. the democratic candidate was up there last night where he drew a crowd of about 7500 people and eugene is writing in the washington post this morning about the non-clinton alternative for democrats. gene writes is bernie sanders the political reincarnation of eugene mccarthy? i doubt it.
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but let's hope he makes the democratic presidential race interesting? i don't know in front-runner hillary clinton shares my wish but she ought to? sanders has an appeal for younger, more liberal, more idealistic democrats that clinton presently lacks. if she competes for those voters and hearns how to connect with them, she will have a better chance of winning the white house. how much pressure do you feel she is feeling. >> in the polls? >> still his message. >> i think the clinton campaign thinks it is sitting pretty good. but those crowds are big. there is clearly she will win, right, so you know it's good, i think it's good for there to be a campaign i'm not sure she shares that view right now. i really think she ought to.
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it was never going to be a cake walk. you know in a tough general election. >> mark she is being pulled to the left isn't she? >> she the pulled to the left on a lot of issues less issues more this question of authenticity. ask bernie sanders a question he will answer it every time without hesitation or duty. we are talking to a pollster. ask her a question or anticipated question. it will be a 90 minute conference call and another one while she died decides what to say. the contrast between bernie ask patsy cannon a question why are you so public about george bush? he knew what he was going to say every time. >> hillary clinton does seem to be so calculated. not everybody suggests she had a strong course of belief. in this presidential campaign like the last everything is so calculated. >> well, you know, not wanting
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to weigh in on a trade debate for example. when members of the party want a clear answer to mark's point, bernie sanders drawing this unflattering contrast of hillary clinton. her communications director said hillary is playing small crowds that's where we do better. it's also because of the seats. you see bernie sanders' rally, she having no trouble. >> in the last campaign when it became no longer clear hillary clinton would have the easy kickoff to the nomination and beat everybody, she became a much better candidate. >> she's great. >> and for really the second half of the primary season. she got, you know. >> yeah. >> up. >> she did as well as her mama did in those early primaries. he had too big a lead for her to catch up and realize it. absolutely. >> her back was along theway wall we say it every day. she's got to win ohio texas or she's out.
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she's got to win pennsylvania or she's out and boy she was a remarkable campaigner. pat buchanan speaking of pat, just marvelled at how great she was in the campaign trail that second half of the campaign when she wasn't calculated. when she wasn't tied up by pollsters. >> tying up the press? >> yeah. >> tying up the press. >> we know where her ceiling is. it's very high right. she got a lot of support. i think people that dismiss bernie sanders and appeal to additional voters are being a bit premature. let's see what happens when he makes a broad appeal? i'm not saying he'll beat her. necessarily. let's see what happens when he makes a broader appeal than he has so far. >> let's see what happens if bernie does much better in iowa and new hampshire than expected. gene mccarthy wasn't damaging to lbj by himself. gene mccarthy actually pushed lbj out of the race.
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bobby kennedy came in because of jean mccarthy and the question is if hillary struggles against bernie sanders from a vowed socialist, what does john kerry think about that? what does joe bidenly the about that? what do other democratic cads think about that? >> front page of the "new york times," clinton camp on edge. they're starting to take him seriously. >> look when bush 41 was challenged by buchanan they attacked buchanan. i still think the clinton people don't have an obvious way to attack bernie that makes her stronger and him weaker that will do just the opposite. >> coming up u.s. ambassador to iraq chris hill weighs in on the fight against isis. we'll be right back.
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ideas, more attractive and compelling vision. this larger battle for hearts and minds is going to be a generational struggle. its ultimately not going to be won or lost by the united states alone. it will be decided be i the countries and the communities that terroristing like isil target. if we try to do everything ourselves across the middle east, all across north africa we'll be playing whack a mole and there will be a whole lot of unintended consequences that ultimately make us less secure. >> that's president obama yesterday after meeting with top military leaders at the pentagon warning of a long road ahead to counteder isis ideology. joining us from tampa. former u.s. ambassador to iraq dean of international studies at the university of denver ambassador chris hill. good to see you this morning. the president saying a lot of things, i think people know this is going to be a long fight. we can't play lack a mole. in there, we didn't play the
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clear strategy that a lot of americans are saying? >> first of all, i think the president is right to warn people, this is not going to be over any time soon. secondly, the strategy is political. they need to make sure first of all there is kind of shia outreach to the sunni community assuring the iraqi sunni community used to running the show there, 18 though they will not be running the show they will be very much a part of iraq's future. secondly i think there needs to be a lot more effort to get the sunnis more moderate sunnis to stand up to isis. so far the sunnis have preferred to complain about the shia than isis. so obviously, the u.s. has taken a big step to try to directly train these sunni militia groups these sunni tribal groups in anbar to see if they can galvanize them against isis. of course, to try to get the iraqi army to fight a lot better than it has. i think when defense secretary
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ash carter said there is no will to fight there, there was quite a challenge to that iraqi army. so a lot of things going on shia sunnis sunni shy as sunni sunni, of course overlaying all of this is the u.s. and western effort to disabuse iran of nuclear weapons and that actually contributed to a lot of tension within the arab community because the arabs are worried that some r somehow we will be switching partners to the iranians in the 1970s. so lots going on. >> mr. ambassador how do you get sunnis to fight for a quote iraqi army that's based out of baghdad? and run by a government influenced by the iranians? >> certainly the sunnis have an incentive not to be run by isis or as the president said by isil. so there is some incentive there. i think your point is well taken. i think probably the
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constitutional arrangements for rauj, which were based on the idea we have issues base parties, we have parties that are interested in big government or low taxes or whatever that really, we need to act knowledge the fact that for the time being, politics in iraq is pretty much determined whether you are a shia or a sunni. sunnis vote for sunni, shia vote forly isia. there needs to be some more explicit power sharing than there has been in the past to assure the sunni community they are a part of iraq's future. >> gene. >> chris. >> oh, i'm sorry, catty kay. >> chris, katherine here. when you were ambassador to iraq okay there was still tense of thousands of american troops there. there is much less interest here in america at the moment. what's the long term prospect even if izy is defeated in iraq. if americans aren't prepared to stay the next decade what's the process of defeating them? we defeated al qaeda in 2007.
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they pop back up again. >> i think there the a kind of view in the united states among many people that is heinous and awful isis is it's not a direct threat to us. so there has been some sort of an effort to say today they're attacking the shia. tomorrow they will be attacking us. so far, that haven sold the way it did with al qaeda. although certainly the beheadings of westerners got people's attention. i think overall the real problem is in the arab middle east the arab middle east there is not a single shia-led country and the proposition that iraqi is going to be a shia-led country is never accepted bety sunni community. iraq is very much of a plaque sheep in that overall arab middle east and combine the fact that the iranians have these kind of organic connections in iraq mind you i think iraqi shia are not taking orders from
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persian shia. nonetheless, it speaks to a very dicey future for iraq in a sunni world. >> ambassador gene robinson are the borders of the middle east essentially being with or redrawn and, if so why should we stick with the old borders if they're no longer relevant? >> well, a lot of the borders of the middle east were drawn like borders elsewhere in the world, kind of willie nilly on the back of napkins, so the consequence of this is very much being felt. after all, iraq is 60% shia some 20% arab sunni. yet the arab soviet union nice led iraq in years and it is 15% run by the majority sunnis very much outside.
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so there are a lot of problems with those borders, that said i think you got to be very careful about international border changes, show me a border change, i'll show you another war. it has to be done from a general way where people sit down and work through this. right now people are not interested in sitting down working through anything t. borders are ab pro. it's not easy to fix, certainly in the short run. >> ambassador, thanks, so much for your time. appreciate it. >> thank you. >> still ahead, the man who left a big impression on george clooney. >> hello, joe, hello, my car hello, mike. i love you. >> did i tell you about the time? >> i took elvis to khartoum wind chill leaed a great time. we solved the world's problems and we met a couple ladies.
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>> i got to gek that out. roger clinton's movie credits. >> is ubra. as we say in arkansas. >> jeff. >> what do have you, willie? >> we have mark halperin, is catty kay with us from walk. catty, shall we start with iran this morning? >> let's start with iran. the u.s. and iran do seem likely to miss yet another deadline in their nuclear negotiations, now the iranians have a new demand yesterday tehran called for an end to the united states arms embargo on the country a. deal that's splat from the one aimed at curbing their nuclear program. both russia and china have expressed support for a partial lifting of that arms embargo. the u.s. is opposed to allow iran to expand with bashar
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al-assad and other forces in the region. however the without noted other topics are on the table in i have then a as well. >> our efforts have been focused onnine's nuclear program and the goal of these conversations is to prevent iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon and make sure they coordinate with international efforts to comply and that's the focal point of these negotiations what we have acknowledged in previous lines of questioning is there have been other things that come up on the side lines of these talks. to be -- the most prominent example of that is the concerns we have about american citizens detained in iraq. >> well a deal may be aproeching. yesterday the bureau chief tweeted quote after days of pessimism, iran state tv hinting a nuclear deal is
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de'andre johnson was dismissed from the team and suspended indefinitely from the team the next day. after the footage was released by the state's attorneys office yesterday he was dismissed from the team. we want to warn you, this video is disturbing in it. he is seen scuffleing with a woman inside the club. he is holding her arm at first. at one point she swings at him with her left hand. you see it there. then he responds with that punch to her face before he disappears off camera. here's what johnson told nbc news about the incident. >> the woman in the video clearly had drinks and, but that's not an excuse. and we don't make that as an
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excuse or anything like that. de'andre johnson will own up to this incident and hopefully learn from it and mover on. i can't stress he truly wants to get an education. the actions of both on this video are not acceptable. i think that we need to basically look at this case and allow our young adults to learn from their experiences and their mistakes. >> mr. baez says his client tried to deescalate the situation and volunteers at a shelter for women victims of domestic violence. johnson's lawyer added the woman added racial epithets saying it wasn't until she struck him twice he reacted. according to arrest warrant, a victim heard him yell no twice at johnson prior to him punching her. she suffered bruising under her eye, swelling to the cheek and upper lip. nbc affiliate reported johnson
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turned himself in and was released after posting $5 much bail. nbc news reached out to the victim. she declined comment to us. >> we were talking before. gene was talking about a culture of permissiveness. we all were last hour. we started here. then you know immediately these other stories flash back. have you the sfsu story. have you the nfl story within the football culture, wisely you said expanded to a sports culture. you have an nfl permissiveness until ray rice that had nfl athletes going free i guess, i don't know to punch tear girlfriends, their fiancees their wives. jerry sandusky at penn state t. culture permitting this. why would this guy have showers for the little boys. >> because there the a culture permissiveness that allowed him to rape little boys and then
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take them on the sidelines during games, a culture permissiveness. here we are talking the fsu permissiveness. you have jameis winston who is this football god down there and drafted number one in the nfl. i don't think it's a coincidence, culture of permissiveness there. you have another freshman quarterback punching somebody. i got to be really careful, the lawyer in me i have to say, we are talking about this before every time they start talking about this situation. >> allegedly. >> allegedly, i need to say allegedly jameis winston according to alleged victim allegedly punched and sexually abused a woman who fits a profile, a blond college student it looks from that video, his alleged victim. why would you think that you could get away with that? because are you a hero who is
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drafted number one in the nfl after the year after all these other nfl players were beating up tear wives and girlfriends that came forward you are like well, he got away with it. i can get away with it. there is a culture of permissiveness in college sports and professional sports that we have it's got to stop. >> i think are you right. there is a culture permissiveness of impunity but ultimately whatever the culture is there is something wrong with you right? there is something wrong with you if you do what we just saw in that video. if you haul off and slug well you are a great big strapping football quarterback, to somluck a woman in a bar, whatever the circumstances are, i mean unless she's pointing a gun at you. what possibly -- >> pick on somebody your own size how interesting that and pathetic the examples that we
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are citing here this morning nfl players punch wives half their size. this guy punches a woman half his size. jerry sandusky rapes little boys that can't fight back. >> it is dreadful and you watch those videos. you recoil and cringe when you see that. you are talking of a culture of permissiveness, genes, as you point out, there is a culture of entitlement. many have been spoiled since they were little boys and groomdz to be these gods on the field. that has to change, sportsmanship needs to be brought back into sports. >> is there a football is this something that has to do with the culture of football to certainly, i mean football is a key word in the south. here have you the atlanta braves and you have football. that's what we followed in the south. >> in college, it's king just about everywhere. there are some places where it's basketball. it's not just the south, it's the mid-west a senior michigan
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guy, out west. i think these are great opportunities now to lay down a marker and florida state did it finally if this case the minute they heard about it he was suspended. when you see the video, he is thrown off the team. now the next guy knows there is a consequence if you will do something like this. that's important. it should be obvious. it hasn't been for years and years. now the next guy will say to himself, this could cost me everything. walk away. >> let's salute fsu. you are exactly right. there has been a rep takes for 30 years. i talked ability jameis winston. you know in the south, people that didn't like fsu certainly the state of florida, we call them the criminals. this goes back 30 35 years ago, culture permissiveness let's salute fsu this morning for moving quickly on this even before the video came out. that's actually a great sign. >> the commissioners and university presidents and athletic directors, those are adult, particularly talking about college and pros, adults
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in these cases need to act quickly even if law enforcement doesn't. >> what sit about take penn state that someone knew about this? and thought maybe i shouldn't say anything. >> the assistant coach saw what was going on in the shower. who did he call his dad? he didn't go to the authorities saying i seen a grown plan with a ten-year-old in inappropriate conduct. >> first of all, anybody around this table, i know if anybody around the table saw this if it were somebody bigger than you would go in with a baseball bat, let the boy out. you and i will go to the authorities. who will not say that? >> it's unbelievable. i wonder if you have the same culture at school the football teams aren't nearly as competitive and don't drive so much profit for the university. i went to university where football was popular, but let's face it it was considered it wasn't that great of a team. so you went to the game.
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football players didn't have the same type of players. >> you know what when you said princeton, i had a good friend that told me that princeton raises a lot more money when princeton football team is doing well of course she was saying how pathetic that was? what do you mean? in the immore at that time words of bear briernths it's hard to rally a school around a math class. it used to be tuck loose sa. it's not anymore. >> the football players have nearly the outside repation as they do at schools. >> so let's talk about quickly, we'll talk quickly about a great x. i was on a plane trip. i said if you are an alabama fan, it's required because they took three national championships away from us in four years. you would hate them too.
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so i was on the plane right of tim brown won the highsman trophy. there was a kid that went to notre dame. we were talking probably 30 minutes at notre dame. he said, what's it like going to school with tim brown? he goes what do you mean? does he get special privileges? he goes notre dame i mean there are 4,000 of us there. yeah we are excited and known for what but no slack is cut and that's the sort of thing and from that day forward, i started kind of privately rooting for noter dame. i'm sorry i admitted it alabama because there was a culture, yeah he's great, yes we were their football, but we revere the atmosphere lee. i mean the student part of student athlete the most maybe that's what they have been been able to keep up in this era. >> maybe. right. it's win at all costs.
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right so if your attitude is we have to win to be competitive to raise the big bucks from the alumni, we got to do well and there is no butts about it. >> that affects the kind of young man and woman you bring into your athletic program. it does. maybe you don't look so hard at character. so it's bigger than the culture the way players are treated once they get there. >> it's not jut about contact sports. >> right. the players you bring in more importantly the players you produce. >> i think the less segregated the better. when they eat alone and cut slack on grade, that exults them in a way they shouldn't be exulted. i got to say integrate,
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integrate, ingreat. >> i have to say the older i get the less about sports. i am more interested in the kid who breaks his leg the young kid who goes to play football and breaks his leg the second year n. i heard this year and year out, alabama, these guys we exulted as gods have been working now at piggly quicklys in alabama for 20 years. what are you go him to do as a school to guarantee when they come from they're going to get an education and at my you know instead of baging groceries? i don't know why the ncaa doesn't put in a rule board that you need to graduate at 98% of your class or you face sanctions next year from the ncaa. i know there is a lot of money involved. it doesn't make sense. it's got to be about giving
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these kids a lol of them don't come from affluent families ab opportunity to use their talents to get an education and grab that brass ring. >> and guarantee their scholarships if they do blow out their knee sophomore year they stay in school and at least get a degree out of the experience. one last story, another ugly one. new details about sexual assault allegation against bill cosby, newly released court documents show cosby admitted under oath to buying quaaludes and gave the sedatives to one woman and other people. let's give the story to kate snow. >> reporter: bill cosby in his own words admitted he obtained 17 prescriptions in the 1970s and gave them to other people. in documents from a 2005 case cosby was being sued by a woman that accused him of druging and sexually assaulting her. before it was settled out of
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court and dismissed, he sat from a two-day deposition. when you got the quaaludes that you were going to use it to have sex with women? cosby replied, yes. cosby avoided questions about who he gave the drug to and when or whether he ever coerced or forced women to take drugs he was asked did he give them without their knowledge? his attorney said do not answer that question. one encounter in lough, she meets me back stage, i give her quaaludes, we have sex. >> i wouldn't necessarily call this the proverbial smoking gun. it is krob rakes for the fact that he used drug within attempting to have sex with women. it does in a sense take the moral high ground from his position. >> reporter: for barb bowman one of 13 jane does in the case it's a vindication. >> it was a big breath, a big
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sigh of relief of loepp and looking forward to this next part of this journey. i think this is really just the beginning. >> in the documents, the accuser's attorney is complaining that cosby's lawyer was turning it into a carn vam, a cla imthe judge 4r5i9er rejected t. plaintiff's attorney at one point said to cosby, i think are you making light of a very serious situation. cosby replied, that may very well be. nbc reached out to representative of bill cosby, did not hear back. cosby has never been charged with any crime in connection with sexual and drug allegations, which he and his representatives have continued to deny. >> that's kate snow reporting. cosby admits he gave the woman that brought the lawsuit three half pills of benedryl. attorneys for the comedian have not returned calls. cosby has never been charged with a crime. in the past he and his representatives denied all of the allegations. >> i was going to say, you are
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talking about a comedian and the trend setter but just culturally you can't limit bill cosby's impact culturally. >> it's historic endearing comedy and entertainment in general. you know people have been stunned by these revelation. they go on and on. >> all these women say thank god, finally someone is listening to what we have been saying for years. coming up next tough criminal for president obama. >> i will say just to be i can't think of many nations in the world where we have a better relationship than when we took over. i'm not saying it's his fault, but we have fought improved our relationship with individual countries and i would say that
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she was up early 20 watch the early show. >> that seems to me to be a terrible way to spend your 69th anniversary. let's talk about your remarkable life and what she has meant to you over the years. >> when she was born i was three-years-old. i lived next door. my mother was a registered nurse who took care of her mother. her mother told me the first day she was alive, i went over next to her to look at the little girl with a newborn baby on the street. i have been with her the first day she was bompblt it makes a lot of difference than when i was in high school. when i was a senior i had my first baby and there was never a doubt in my mind after that she was the when i wanted to marry. >> was there any doubt in her
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mind? >> yeah in fact sex months later, she came up to visit me in annapolis. i asked her to marry me. she said. so i really have been persevereing, i called her on the phone, she agreed okay. i'll wear light uniform. so we were married 69 years ago today. >> wow! >> that is remarkable. and what a remarkable life. you talk an awful lot about the challenges of our home region of course, i was born in atlanta and you were a governor when i was a young kid. but you went through a turbulent time in the south yes, and the turbulence continued even last month but we're seeing dramatic
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changes fairly quickly in the south. can you reflect on that and what you have seen? >> i grew up in archery. we had about 200 african-american neighbors. we were the only white family that lived there. all my play mate the people in the field i fought and wrestled were african-american boys. so i was immersed in a plaque culture you might say throughout my young life. and i didn't really realize the distinctions between black and white people t. local church was an ame church the as the one in charleston t. richest tlushl person i met was an african-american episcopal bishop william dexter johnson. he rode in a big cadillac, a chauffer. he was photographed in front of the eiffel to youner paris. to me he was the epitome of success.
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i looked up to the reverend not only as my neighbor but potentially very successful in the world. i had a slightly distorted attitude towards them. but i didn't realize at that early age that my friends' mothers and fathers couldn't vote, couldn't serve on a jury the schools were inferior, the churches were full of spirit quite superior to ours in that respect. it was only when i was in the sub(force, harry truman was the commandner chief. he ordained without prior notice that racial discrim flakes should be eliminated in the military forces and the civil service. he was condemned in the south to cover that. as you may know he had candidate strom thurmon and truman's name wasn't on the ballot in five or six states. he still won in 1948.
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so we had a very troubled time and i came home from the navy i was akwantd with complete elimination and what a relief it was to have that mill stone from around our neck and now flames are still to about 600 people. the majority of african americans on city council and we have a very good place of harmony. i was very impressed but fought surprised at the response within the church and among its members after the horrible tragedy in charleston and to me this is maybe not typical, but not surprising in a black deeply religious congregation to reach out the way jesus would have them reach out to each other even in the space of horrible
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tragedy. >> it's incredible. >> those families you reflect them 90 years of collective wisdom in this book. you've seen so much of the 20th century, now the 21st century, a young .in the depression world war ii where you served the civil rights movement on and on and on to become the president of the united states it seems the first african-american elected president i know this is a big question with a long answer, dramatic on your 90 years, how is the united states doing right now? where are we? >> well we're in an inevitable relative decline in role influence. not because of any fault of ours, it's inevitable. i think the combination of china and india and brazil and south africa and others has an increase in economic and cultural influence will replace a lot of the power and feelings that the united states has enjoyed in the past.
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so we're having whether we like it or not to accommodate that necessity of realizing other people are going to be as powerful and as influenced as we are in some aspects of life not necessarily. but i think economic ally china will soon you know succeed the united states in the economic power in the world. i think influence in politics is also shifting inside the united nations and in the ability of the united states to use its influence to change situations that we don't like around the world. that's commonly what it is. it is not because of a defect or more on the part of the president of the united states. it's just happening in the historical ev luxary unord fare circumstance. >> mr. president, one of the episodes you cover in the book is the remarkable success you
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lad with middle east negotiations and nothing bigger than anwar sadat. look at the middle east today, what should we do? what should be done? how do we -- it just seems to get worse and worse and worse and is there any vision of a possibility there or a better situation? or outcome? >> as far as israel with the palestinians, i don't see any prospect in the immediate future for anything to be made, his government has almost rejected any two-state solution t. two-state solution is one that the united states and all the other nations in the world can endorse and accept except israel. the united states is physically previous preeminence as a trusted mediator. i would say our influence in palestine and israeli is now at an all time low as far as i know
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since i have been involved in politics. as far as i know the united states is making no effort at all to orchestrate a resumption of peace talks and peace movement. now the palestinians are making an effort on their own to move towards europe and move toward the united nations to get international law to try to enforce a principles that the rest of the world accepts. so at this point i physical it's at an all time low in my lifetime, as far as prospects for peace and progress and the israelis and the palestinians is concerned. >> you look throughout the entire middle east of course your legacy is on foreign policy is about bringing a deal to the middle east that brought peace for 30 years, no landlords. it's an extraordinary achievement. also obviously the iranian
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hostage crisis is very personal to you. you talk about it in this book. i remember asking dr. brezinski once about desert one. we were talking about special ops and the creation of desert one. and i asked, i said was that the low point of your public service? he stopped and thought about it for a minute. he said i think it may have been the low point of my life and in this book on the other side of that ledger, he talked about how one of the happiest moments of your life was when you got word that the hostages were released. it's extraordinary hearing from him and now, of course, you, as president of the united states just how personal a burden this was on uday and night and day and night. >> but that was the worst fear of my life. that's all. when the hostages were being held and we had negotiated three days and nights.
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i never went to bed the last three days i was in the white house to get the hostages released. and the theory that morning of all the hostages were in an airplane on the runway. it's ready to take off. for some reason which i never understood, the ayatollah would fought take off until five minutes after i was out of office and reagan had taken assumption of power. anyway that was a wonderful moment when the secret service came down the plane had taken off all the hostages were on the way to freedom and safety. it was a trying time. most of my advice from my associates not bezinbrezinski was to attack japan early. in my judgment the first reaction of the ringers would have been to sleigh to kill the
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hostages. >> can you talk about as a statesman, we can look back and see over the entire country. i remember saying turn iran into a parking lot. how hard was it for you as president of the united states to do what is unpopular and say i will be a statesman and do what it takes when they leave iran, they don't leave iran in caskets. >> well, a month after they took hostages in november the last part of november i sent word to the ayatollah, through germany and other measures that if he is a hostage, i would close all access from iran to the outside world by minding their harbors and so forth. if they kill the hostages i would attack iran militarily. he knew i would have done it. i would have done it. he never injured a hostage or killed the hostage, obviously. so everyone finally came home
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safe and free i think with brezinski's advice and others. >> you don't have to agree with him. since you put him in the thing. mica is not here. >> you can say that but he and i were in agreement on that. but i think the nation would have responded favorably politically speaking if i had bomb ed bombed iran, it was a break. even my wife on occasion said it's needed two more in a military way. i didn't want to. i was committed to peace. i was lucky fluff to go through four years without ever developing a bomb or launching a bullet. so we cut through that and every hostage came home safe and free. >> mr. president.
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you had the privilege of knowing bill and hillary clinton for decades. i'm wondering how you compare them as politician and people? >> with each other or the world? >> with each other. >> well, i think they are both superb politicians and have the rep takes bill as being one of the best politicians and i don't have any doubt that hillary will have learned or had to begin with the same ability that any politics. but i think that still has to be proven. i don't think there is much doubt this will get democratic nomination. you understand, we seem to be doing quite well in new hampshire, but i think the republican aside, 15 or 20 candidates. then i'll be able to get you know the democratic national report. and i think still it needs to be
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seen who will prevail. i think it's the republican's choice in how the situation evolves around the world and they don't have any control leading up to the political philosophy, it's like shopping delineated i would say, but sometimes the latest events that happens on the news side of things have a good insight. i think it's predictable. >> all right. mr. president, thank you so much for being with us. it's always a great honor again on the 69th wedding anniversary. can you give everybody watching some advice on what makes a durable marriage? >> well, if she's the right woman and then i'd say, you know give each other plenty of space
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. >> that was a clip from his way the 2011 hbo documentary about jerry weintraub. up next our tribute to the legendary hollywood producer who passed away yesterday at the age of 77. we'll be right back. ♪ ♪ ♪ it took tim morehouse years to master the perfect lunge. but only one attempt to master depositing checks at chase atms. technology designed for you. so you can easily master the way you bank.
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>> now we say a fine farewell to a friend. jerry would call eight last call at a very good party. jerry weintraub show is a legend. he's a new york native. he started as an nbc paige giving tours, he led himself into talent management and worked into the good grace of colonel parker and elvis presley he spawned success working with the chairman of the board, himself, frank sinatra. so many stars followed t.
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beachboys, led zeppelin the pointer sisters, john denver at his speech. they were some of the many great acts in his stable of tam ent. his friends, president george and barbara bush said this yesterday, jerry was an american original who earned success by sheer force of his instincts, drive and larger than life personality. i can tell you he considered george h.w. bush such a good and personal friend along with barbara for a long time. he revered them like so many other americans. he also talked about that with us on his first visit on the show in 20106789. >> what are the secrets of your success? how do you boil it down? >> well i think because i never heard the word no and everybody that said no to me through my whole career. that's a bad idea for a play that's a bad idea for music a. bad idea for a concert. i just said i don't hear that.
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i went ahead and did it. i think presley probably elvis was my first big i knew my life changed when i got elvis and then when i started with sinatra and then bob dylan and led zeppelin the moody blues, it went on and on and on like that. music was my life for a very many many years. and then i went to film. >> and boy did he know movies his early hit recruits included robert altman's nashville. "oh god." also, of course "diner" and the "karate kid" frnks which all came back to frank with a reboot of "oakss 11" and a new generation of hollywood stars, who were simply in awe of him. it's like george clooney said yesterday in the years to come the stories of accomplishments will get better with age, just as jerry would have wanted it. because the stories were such an
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important thing to jerry weintraub, he could tell a great story, we'll leave you with one from this show. it's from the height of show. we were debating actually health care, and in the middle of the height of the battle over health care reform jerry came up with the sinatra plan. and this is it. >> i think sinatra, who was also a nevadaen was way ahead of the curve on health reform. he called me when i was about 30 years old and said to me we have to go to hoous sxn get you a heart check. i said my hard is fine and i'm working hard. we got off the plane and he said to frank and myself get to the hospital tomorrow morning at 6:00 a.m. and i'll take care of you guys. you'll be back on the plane at 10:00. no eating no drinking after 8:00. we went to the warwick hotel, checked in i got into bed at 8:00.
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there was a knock on the door. i open the door and there is sinatra standing there with a bottle and two glasses. he said, let's have a drink. i said, we can't. he said, one drink. they'll never find it in our blood stream. let's go for it. we finished that bottle ordered the next bottle and we were up all night drinking and partying and so on. we did this for four days and four nights. four days and four nights. then we got on the plane to go home. when we got on the plane, i looked like hell. i hadn't been checked. we never went to the hospital. i'm sitting across from sinota and he says to me you know you don't look too good. i said i don't feel too good. i feel like hell. i've been drunk for four days and partying for four days. he said don't worry about it you're fine. i said i'm not fine, frank, and you bought me here to see the doctor. i never saw the doctor i never got my heart checks. i don't know anything about my
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heart. he said to me your heart is fine. i said how do you know that? he said if you could be alive after what we did the last four days, your heart is perfect. >> and the stories continued and continued. >> he's an amazing guy. great story teller. the story of how he really got his break with elvis which was the big one, he cold called colonel parker over and over and over. he said he would call him every day at 8:30 in the morning. finally, after a year he said you want to take my guy on tour kid, to jerry, be in vegas tomorrow with a million dollars and he said yes, sir, i'll be there. then he said how am i going to get a million dollars. he said he called a guy and said i don't have time for anything legal. i need a million dollars. so he got a million dollars from a big elvis fan, showed up the next day in vegas and his relationship with elvis was born. >> i don't have time for
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no, i'm not. >> right? exactly. that would work. good morning. it's great to have you here. there are nine leads today. >> at least. >> death of jerry weintraub. that's a sad one. bernie mania. trump alicious. and then bill cosby, and then there's sports related stuff. and isis. i'm getting close to nine. >> that was eight. >> wide world of news. >> something with justin bieber happened, so thatsd nine. >> why don't we go through the
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news? katty cay is there. i know you have been up all night trying to sort the nine stories in order. so we're all very excited to see which ones you consider the most important. >> okay, i'm going to start with iran, the u.s. and iran seem likely to miss another deadline in their nuclear negotiations and now the iranians have a new demand. tehran called for the end to the arms embargo, a deal separate from the one aimed at curbing their nuclear program. russia and china have expressed support for a partial lifting of the arms embargo. the united states has been opposed since it could allow iran to expand its military assistance for bashar al assad. among other forces in the region. however, the white house would not rule out that it it was being discussed around the table, noting other topics are
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on the table as well. >> our efforts have been focused on iran's nuclear program and the goal of these conversations is to prevent iran from ubtabing a nuclear weapon and make sure they coordinate with efforts with their compliance with the agreement, and that's the focal point of the conversations. what we have acknowledged in previous lines of questioning is that there have been other things that come up on the sidelines of these talks. the most prominent example of that is the concerns we have about american citizens detained in iran. >> well a deal may be approaching given a shift in attitude in tehran. the "new york times" bureau chief there tweeted, quote, after days of pessimism, hinting a deal is coming. the americans have compromised on their own red lines. that's what the iranians would want to say, the americans were
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making the compromise and not the p-5 power. >> we know how congress is going to respond to the iranians putting new demands on lifting an arms embargo, which i doubt many in congress would support. what about europe? have the iranians finally drawn a red line that we all cannot cross? >> yeah, i think this isn't going to go down well with the p-5 members as well because it's like they're inserting something at the end of the negotiating process and this hasn't been discussed up until now. the folks has been on what to do about iran's uranium that it already has, what to do about the sangs and when to lift them and what sanctions to lift, and the inspection process now putting in arms embargoes, i think that's going to be difficult for the p-5
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between members of congress on the hill in both parties, in the white house on this deal. the deal keeps at least by press reports, seems to keep getting worse. certainly politically worse when you have the iranians saying the americans have compromised on their own red lines. president obama, we know how the republicans are going to go on this. president obama is now inviting senate democrats over to the white house for some probably arm twisting on iran. how difficult is it going to be for democrats to go along with a deal that seems to give the iranians much of what they want? >> well, look with all of these deals nothing is decided until everything is decided. it's not going to be a perfect deal. the administration will walk away from a bad deal. you say republicans aren't going to go for it.
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i don't think they can strike a deal if they can't get senator corker onboard. they're going to have to brief republicans in a big way and pick off some republicans or this isn't going to happen. >> yeah katty, i was going to ask you how this bodes, inserting this new element into the negotiation, and doing it so publicly on iran's part. what does it mean for where this is headed? >> i wonder whether this is just the iranians playing as well to their demechic politics. you see two things they're doing, talking about adding the arms embargo and also the line coming out about how americans have crossed red lines. when you negotiate, you want to make it look like you're in the strong position and the other side is saving. i read in both of these an element of that last-minute negotiating tactics. i think the iranians are looking seriously at what's happening in the congress and the words coming out of the white house so they're prepared to walk away from this. maybe that's causing a certain amount of panic.
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talking of panic, we're going to steak stick with your foreign stories but this is having global repercussions. let's talk about the financial crisis. the banks are closed and an emergency eurozone summit is held today in brussels. the leaders of france and germany are calling for greece to submit serious and credible proposals that it wants to stay in the eurozone, and greece's prime minister is supposed to suggest cutting the country's debt by up to 30%. julia, do you think they're going to manage to come up with something the europeans can accept? >> thas the crucial question. the greek media are going all in calling it the deadline date for greece and tsipras. he's flying in to kick off the negotiations. he's supported by the landslide victory in the referendum, the
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no vote for austerity. the concern here is that's going to embolden his stance, as you quite rightly said, pushing for the debt forgiveness the europeans have been so unwilling to give up. he also made promises to the pension people, too. the key is he doesn't back down going into the negotiations and the creditors don't back down too. everybody hopes it was going to have a far more positive impact but we have to wait and see whether or not he can come up with the goods and what kind of stance he's going to take here. the creditors have been firm in their positions up to this so it's resting in tsipras' court. those talks kick off in two hours' time. this deadline is very real for the real economy here in greece so the hope is we get some kind of breakthrough in a few hours' time. >> julia there in athens a
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crisis, but it looks stunning. thanks julia. >> why aren't we covering that one? i i don't know. and amy, you're exactly right. it does look beautiful, except for the bread line. seriously, katty, later on this hour we'll let you talk about your favorite greek island. it was a wonderful celebration after the no-vote. it must have been very exhilarating for the greeks. they woke up the next morning, though, with a pretty nasty hangover, and they're having to go right back to the table and deal with the same germans and the same realities that i'm sorry, in large part their undoing.
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>> here's the joke that julian told me yesterday. angela merkel decides i'm going to greece. i'm going to settle this once and for all. she goes to the airport and she's in the immigration line. the immigration officer says name, angela merkel. age, 56. occupation, not yet. >> there you go. more jokes. never really get old, do they? >> they never do. no. >> you won the pulitzer prize and that's your contribution to a greek crisis. >> i told julian i'd try to get it in. this is my shot. the greeks do have a situation to deal with. but they now have -- they're now all in on defiance right? they're all in on we're not going to do what we bossed around, we're not going to do what they try to make us do so where do we go from here? >> this is the conundrum that
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they have acquiesced to oughtterity measures and we still have this crisis of pepgzers not being able to have money to buy groceries. you can understand the greek reaction to this but i heard a really interesting counterintuitive analysis of the e.u. pick clr, and he said for the folks in brussels the real fear of a greek exit is not that it will be a disaster for greece, but it actually won't be bad and it will encourage other european countries to consider leaving the eurozone. >> a game of chicken and so far the germans and french aren't blinking and i don't think they will. they're pretty dug in on saying they'll demand substantial reforms. >> what is their incentive to blink at this point? if they lose greece europe will be okay. if greece loses europe greece is in trouble. >> the incentive is that other countries may try to leave as well, and there's a human element, there is despite all of the different cultures, a
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sense of a united europe and this is part of the european community having a problem. again, i think you said yesterday, how is it that the people who made all the mistakes are trying to make demands? i think again on the balance sheet for the germans and french and for others there's no incentive to give in now. >> a basic disconnect a common monetary policy and there's no common fiscal policy. in the european union. there's always going to be that tension. >> and that's actually that is what i may have read in the washington post yesterday. that's exactly what milton friedman warned about. he said you can't bring all these people together and have different fiscal policies tie them to the same monetary policies and expect there not to be disasters for some of these countries. >> nor should you if you're respecting national sovereignty. >> we're talking about europe here okay? >> then again, i think the attitude is the greeks are responsible for their own choices. >> they don't want to throw good
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money after bad. >> katty, at the end of the day, i'd guess if i were sitting in the seats of these finance ministers, i would be more worried about stain, italy, and portugal than greece. i would say let's cut our losses we can't save greece. let them go. we cannot send a message to spain especially because a loss of spain would be devastating. if we're going to have to really bail somebody out, then we may have to save our money and we may have to save our energy and save our political capital for spain and not greece. >> why do you think that the markets here responded with barely a whimper to what's happening in europe at the moment? i think it's because they have decided, the markets can change quickly, but basically, investors have looked at the situation and decided the risk of contagion has diminished so much that even if greece were to leave the eurozone this crisis would be contained by the europeans and the european
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central bank would step in. spain is not going to leave the eurozone and there's not going to be massive repercussions. >> let's move down the list of news zs hits and bill cosby. new details about sexual assault assaults by bill cosby. they show cosby admitted under oath to buying quaaludes with the intent of giving them to women he wanted to have sex with and he gave the sendative to at least one woman and, quote, other people. here's more. >> in a deposition from 2005 bill cosby says he obtained quaaludes and the documents, he's asked by an attorney when you got the quaaludes, was it in your minds you were going to use the quaaludes for young women you wanted to have sex with? according to the deposition cosby replies yes. at the time he was being sued by a woman who claimed she was drugged and sexually assaulted in the '70s. when asked about an incounter in
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las vegas, cosby said she meets me backstage, i give her quaaludes, we then have sex. the lawsuit was dismissed in 2006. cosby's attorneys have fought hard to keep the documents from being released saying they would embarrass the comedian. more than two dozen women have accused cosby of sexual assault. >> he also admits he gave the woman who brought the civil lawsuit three half pills of benadryl. they have not returned called to nbc for comment. he has not been charged with a crime and he and his representatives have denied all of the allegations. if you listen to the people they say it rang true to their experience with bill cosby. >> it's more than embarrassing it's disgraceful, and bill cosby didn't want to public to know this while he was making
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commercials for jell-o. i remember watching the cosby show with my family and this new picture has been heartbreaking for a lot of fans. >> you talked about this sort of lining up the bill cosby you knew for so long with this story. it reminds you of joe paterno, who for decades, we saw as sort of the paragon of virtue. >> with joe paterno turning a blind eye. >> exactly. >> to unforgivable conduct. it's cosby in this case who's guilty of the unforgivable conduct, apparently, and it's very sad. very sad. he is a paragon, a towering figure in american comedy and for many african-americans especially. i remember when he first appeared on i-spy with robert kulp. this was must-see tv in my house and many many houses because he was the first african-american in that sort of leading role in
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britain celebrating the tenth anniversary of attacks ss on public transit. on this day in 2005 london fell victim to the first suicide bombings by islamist militants. survivors, royalty, and senior politicians will gather to remember the people who were killed. >> if i could ask you what this day means to you ten years on. >> i was actually here for me in many ways it was 9/11 that was the real shocker because i lived through it. i felt it. i saw the psychic shift in the country and in myself having gone through that. then when it happened in europe i guess my fear when london happens, the london tube bombingsbombing s was this was the beginning of something else. i grew up with the ira, but i thought maybe we were going to have a massive wave of big attacks in europe and thank god we haven't had anything like
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9/11 or 7/7 since then. >> terrible day ten years ago. let's move to reuters. pope francis continues his homecoming tour of southecuador, holding mass for more than 800,000 followers. he based it around the theme of family, which will be the subject of the month long assembly at the vatican. the 78-year-old pope's latin american trip will continue. >> i love this story. variety, more than 25 million viewers tuned in to watch team usa's 5-2 win over japan in the women's world cup final on sunday, making it the most watches soccer telecast in the history of american television. they arrived yesterday in las vegas. a rally for team usa scheduled today in southern california, and yes, the team got a call from president obama congratulating them on the victory. what a great game.
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>> what an amazing game. 25 million viewers. willie certainly, that bests world series. >> nba playoffs. >> for people that are laughing and saying oh, soccer it was supposed to be big. when pele came to america. it's getting really big. >> four years ago when the united states also was in the final, 13.5 million viewers. so there was still a big draw. up 88% over four years ago. >> primetime helped. >> coming up the lifestyles of the rich and famous. why having a celebrity neighborhood can be a nightmare. how would you like to live next to mark halpern. paparazzi outside all the time. we'll tell you about that when "morning joe" returns. are you moving forward fast enough? everywhere you look, it strategy is now business strategy.
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in recent weeks, we've had great turnouts all over this country. we had some 10,000 people coming out in madison. we had crowds in minneapolis, in denver. all throughout iowa. in new hampshire, and look at this turnout here tonight in portland. and the answer is i think, pretty obvious. from maine to california we have friends in alaska and hawaii as well. the american people understand that establishment politics and establishment economics is not working for the middle class. >> bernie sanders there loving the crowds up in portland. we had jim on the show
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yesterday, for hillary clinton's communications director. she said they're happy he's in the race but look at the front page of the "new york times." clinton's camp looking at the momentum and the big crowds he's getting. >> very concerned. very concerned, and chuck, you were talking about the towns he went to. >> home to a lot of whoit progressives. portland maine, portland oregon madison, wisconsin, iowa new hampshire, and he consolidated the white progressive vote like bill bradley did, paul tsongas did it. if you're the clinton campaign you don't have to get concerned yet. you get concerned when he gets into the 40s and the crowds get diverse. if the crowds start getting diverse, then all of a sudden you know -- >> then you have an issue. >> in oslo and also in stockholm stockholm. >> the clintons have a historic hold on that part of the party, up against barack obama, they couldn't get it. like i said earlier, he hasn't
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tried yet. bernie sanders on paper could make appeals to other voters as you said, he doesn't really try. >> is he going to do that? >> i don't see why not. >> he's got the resources. >> he's got to try, right? got to get a nomination. >> the burden is on bernie to make the case he's electable and presidential material. that's the next leap. he's consolidating the progressives who want to make a statement. the next leap is presidential material. >> these crowds i mean and think about it in selfie generation, how about this for a segue? but she's out with a new book the selfie vote where the millennials are leading america and how republicans can keep up. you think about a crowd, and i'm dead serious, a crowd of 2500 and young people attracted to bernie sanders. the big mistake is thinking young voters follow young candidates. it's tv executives make that mistake all the time. if we put a 30-year-old host on
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30-year-olds will watch. it's not the case. bernie sanders getting a lot of young voters. they're taking a lot of selfies of themselves in the crowd. it's up on facebook and it spreads like wildfire. >> it's all about authenticity. take the republican side four years ago. ron paul getting all this energy and excitement. he's hardly the coolest guy on stage. when he talks, you believe he believes what he's saying. i think bernie sanders has sort of the same thing going on. he's authentic, he says what he believes and young people gravitate toward that. >> ronald reagan in 1980 did sdroorl extraordinarily well with young voters. a lot of people think he's an old guy, out of touch. young voters flocked to him. you talk about how the republicans have missed the boat with the selfie generation. which jerry peters wrote a great article on july 4th. talk about whatrepublicans have done
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wrong and how they might turn it around. >> the breakup between the republican party and my generation, the millennial generation began before president obama came on the scene. it started around the 2006 election with sis satisfaction around the war in iraq and this older group of millennials just starting to vote looking at the republican party and saying i don't know if they represent all that i'm about. sing then young people have begun to look at republicans and said i don't know if they're vi diverse, if they're tech savvy, if they show the more progressive social valus. so in that way, young people and republicans have been on opposite paths. the reason i wrote this book is to kind of wake republicans up. voters under the age of 30 we're about 1 out of every 5. more than voters over the age of 65. winning young voters is not just important for this election but somebody who turns 18 next fv
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will keep voting until the election of 2076. >> we have talked about, speaking of social issues c-pac and our experience with c-pac since we were there this year very conservative libertarians there. good luck finding anybody under the age of 40 at cpac that was opposed to gay marriage and thought the republican party or the conservative movement should have anything to do with that issue. >> the social issues is just a huge part of the change that you're talking about. and i think you have seen this crop of presidential candidates some younger, some older, all of them they're all having trouble keeping up. some are in better position. >> rand paul is the only one who sort of stands out. it may come from his father a little bit, inherited. >> two of the three hot button issues on gay marriage on abortion and on environment. i think rand paul even he struggles on these three to talk to young people.
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>> fascinating watching him on same-sex marriage. took him two days to come out with it. you hate to say it this was the first time i saw rand paul act like a politician because you kind of knew what he wanted to say, and he didn't say it. >> like barack obama for six years? >> he struggled. >> oh, joe. >> republicans are cowardly. >> saying marriage should be out of the government, which is sort of what he ended up doing. marriage shouldn't be a government decision at all, they shouldn't be involved in it. his back door way. i don't agree with the way the decision was written. >> republicans challenge with younger voters isn't just about the stuff we throw in the bucket over the social issues. there's also a question of who's creating economic opportunity, who has the ideas to revolutionize how we think about the public sector creating jobs and retirement. i write about that in the book as well because that's something that nobody has really got the secret formula. how do you talk to young people
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about the economy. >> are democrats the default? they're there, but the democrats don't have a hold on them? >> the older group of millennials are likely to be democrats. they remember hope and change. the younger millennials are coming to an age in an era where they don't like either party. young voters, i don't think they're in the tank for hillary clinton. they're completely winnable or we can improve our margins. we don't have to lose them by 23, 30 some points this time around. >> what about on deficit reduction? where are millennials on changing social security the programs? >> young voters are focused on this because they know they're going to pay. interestingly, they're not really interested in anything they think would hurt current senior citizens. they want to take control of their own retirements. you have seen people getting rid of these defined benefit
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pensions, the public sector has not really caught up. young people want to be in control of their retirements, but they don't want to do anything to hurt grandma and grandpa. >> let's talk about health care. you're a republican, i'm a republican. if you're a republican, you have to be opposed to obamacare, top down, and i am that said though you talk to any young worker, and it's changed so much since i started working where you always talked about salary first. if you're a mulelian you talk about salary and health care a lot of times. it seems like republicans have a real uphill battle there, too, if they don't come up with a viable alternative. >> any alternative has to take into account young people change jobs much more often. the idea of having your insurance linked to your employer seems like a relic of a bygone era. the ability to have your health insurance separate from your job, have something you can take with you and be affordable is -- >> like if you leave, you have
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to pay an extraordinary amount of money that millennials aren't going to be able to pay. >> to replace obamacare, republicans are going to have to design obamacare. they are. something very like it. >> they would certainly have to design a more market-driven approach. >> the portability is crucial because look millennials don't have the kind of career i had where you stay with a company for 35 years, so sure it's fine that my insurance is through the washington post but that's not the way -- >> nevermind how many changed insurance on you, i bet. how many different health plans have we had in the last year? i have cards and cards. o, that doesn't work? >> what are the prospects for 2016 for republicans? >> they have an uphill battle, but because they have a dynamic field and you have folks like jeb bush marco rubio, who are able to reach out to the
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hispanic population this young population is diverse. mitt romney won white voters bus ss but he lost the diverse voters. you can't separate out reaching the hispanic vote and reaching the youth vote. the fact republicans have a field that is i think, well positioned to make inroads there, is exciting for me looking into 2016. >> thank you and very exciting to have you here. the selfie vote where millennials are leading america and how republicans can keep up. kristen, thank you so much for being with us. coming up chuck, are we losing you already here? >> sure. i don't know. >> a cooking segment next. >> all right, at least we can talk about the daily share. >> you haven't driven it into the ground yet. >> i gave them credit. i gave them credit. there seems to be a change. >> you also nicknamed them criminals. >> they play when?
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>> i think we open -- do we open open? >> this is something that i would have known like you know 20 years ago. i have no idea. >> 20 presidential candidates and something's got to go. same thing happened to me. you accumulate more presidential candidate data. >> i can always call my son and say who is starting? >> by the time break is over, can't he tell us when the game is? >> he'll also tell us the depth chart, third on the depth chart on left offensive tackle. >> we just lost viewer after viewer. coming up next it isn't always easy to love your neighbor. we're going to look at the biggest names including george lucas and mark zuckerberg who have the public legal fights keep it here on "morning joe." when you do business everywhere, the challenges of keeping everyone working together can quickly become the only thing you think about.
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okay with us now, editor and chief jay, he has in his latest issue, a look at the boupdry issues of the rich. this is important for people like mark halpern. >> who believes in boundaries. >> i guess you do. >> yeah. >> tell us about it. >> you know it's the season of people and the paradises around america. paradises suing each other, and hating each other. and getting each other pack for putting up trees on the property line or questionable lawn art or -- >> right, but never famous people. >> no, no only unknowns. who don't have much money. >> so this is a piece that looks at the, i would say, more high-profile entertaining cases around the globe. and also tries to understand why this is going on to the degree it is. it seems every summer we have more and more of this. last week you heard about the
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new coining of mega mansions now calls giga mansions. it's not enough to have a 20,000 square foot house. 150,000 square foot is what you need. you need to push it out to the property lines of your boundary. you can imagine the person who has the lovely cottage in bivever hae hills is now upset about it. >> zuckerberg. >> zuckerberg trying to build a fortress apparently has pissed off a lot of his neighbors. the inverse of that is george lucas trying to build public housing on his property in marin county. >> that's just not going to go over well with the neighbors, is it? >> they don't want you know the people who worked on their lawn to live too near them. it's an entertaining read. in the age of the 1% where every month there's another millionaire, but the billionaires, these guys don't necessarily know exactly how to
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behave. >> yes. >> and building monstrosities in neighborhoods that have never seen them since the last gilded age -- >> it's a problem. it's actually a problem, and it makes -- >> like our neighborhood. >> kind of like our neighborhood where i drive past and yell at the city council about letting the mega mansions go up. of course a different problem than chicago. elite suburbs. we remember the mr. t. story. he buys a house in a very elite neighborhood and promptly cuts down every giant oak tree. >> there you go. >> it happens. >> seems to me they're putting up trees or cutting them down. the one in the case of martha stewart in the hamptons, he put up i suppose, a bunch of trees on the property line to block his or her view and she got angry about that. i think martha ought to be the czar of good taste in neighborhoods across america. >> we all agree. >> don't want to fight martha.
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>> we're on martha's side. >> there's a historical precedent for this. in the first gilded age, there was something called the spiked fence law in california that came out of knob hill in san francisco where one guy tried to build a fence to block the view of his neighbor so the neighbor would have to sell his property to him. that started this law. you can't do that. >> okay really quickly, let's go to andover. >> andover. >> a great story. >> this is an interesting development there. i think, here's the oldest incorporated school boarding school in the country. certainly one of the most influential, produced two presidents, maybe a third, we'll see. and an array of other interesting people from humphrey bogart to olivia wilde and james spader. a new head of school a guy who at first glance you would think was a product of a school for many years was about pushing out the dynastic elite. he himself went to the rival of
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andover, he went to harvard. an expert in the digital native generation, meaning those kids who have grown up without knowing the world in the internet age and he's now bringing that idea of you know an ipad curriculum to andover and trying to quote/unquote, hack the school mean it take it down into its parts and rebuild it to make it a modern day equivalent of its original charter, which was to be a private school for the public good. >> all right. very good. look forward to reading that and seeing you in town. >> thank you. >> all right. >> town or country, you could say. >> the new issue of town and country is on newsstands today. a great issue. coming up next instead of trying to get people to see her perform, she's taking her performances to the people. mary mcbride joins us next with a remarkable story that the "new york times" recounted this past weekend. we share with you next.
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group, greg. greatly appreciate it. so excited to read the "new york times" profile of you. it really did seem to summarize and i thought a great way, the extraordinary work that you and the band have been doing for some time. talk about the home tour first of all. where did you get the ud? >> i came up with the idea several years ago. i was visiting with two older women in washington. i was visiting with them and they asked me what i did. i said i'm a singer/songrite writer. they said i wish you could come and sing for us in our living room. i realized how many people love live music and for a variety of reasons don't have the opportunity to hear it. i have really one of those light bulb moments where i decided to change the course of my career and i decided to take the burden off audiences to find me and my music and put the burden on myself to find them. >> it's been extraordinary. you have gone all over the world, going to places playing
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music for people who don't get to hear music usually. >> we have had the incredible honor both of playing all over the united states and lots of different communities, hundreds of communities, and also around the world. we partners with the department of state in 2011 and since then we've toured in 25 countries. >> and even in war zones, afghanistan. >> yeah, we had -- we played in afghanistan, pakistan iraq vietnam, and you know the wonderful thing for us is we hear about all of these countries in our dinner conversation and just our day to day, and for us to be able to go to these places and not only sing for them but to be able to have conversations with people about their day to day lives and their families and what matters to them and to be able to share our music as individuals and also as americans. >> so you're going to play for us now. >> we are.
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