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and they say it's time to start the show. >> it's not any donut, it's a chocolate donut g thing mika isn't here. she's smach thatsh that thing. >> i'll tell what you you do, you own the moment. you finish the show. marco rubio should have done that with his father. >> if you're thirsty, just say on the bottle. he'd go i'm thirsty. i'm going to get some water now. this is a good lesson for all politicians, finish the donut. >> for anyone. >> i think more importantly, willie, it's a good lesson for anyone in life. if you're there, there be. don't be somewhere else. >> that's a good way to approach it. >> all right. i'm here now. let's start the show. welcome, everybody. willie who is here. >> that is harold ford. >> laihey, harold, nice to meet you. >> i'd like to have a donut.

>> mike barnicle is over there. he has a new jacket. >> out of his pajamas. >> and to bring credibility to the panel, we have katty with us. >> so good to see all of you guys. >> good morning. >> so this greek thing, willie -- >> yeah. >> -- it keeps getting worse. actually, they threw a life line, the germans. >> yeah although they gave them a deadline to sunday. they said if you don't come up with something by sunday katty, it's all over. >> yeah. we're hoping that next week we're not going to be doing the story anymore. what do you think? >> no. >> three days in a row on greece. >> okay. >> that really depends. if you're in greece reporting on this terrible tragedy. >> yeah. >> and you want to stay. >> it's not a bad gig. >> and you don't want to come back to new york which is also possible. let's get the latest. the european council president is calling the most critical

moment in the history of the euro zone. leaders are giving the country until sunday to finalize a deal hoping to prevent a financial collapse. it is yet another life line for greece. yesterday was supposed to be the day for proposal to be submitted but european officials were caught off guard when greek's prime minister showed up to the meeting without a viable plan. greece now has until thursday to pretent present a plan and until sunday to strike a deal. >> how are they going to come up with a plan? he made promises. >> such a skeptic, joe. >> he made promises he can't keep. >> right. >> he played to the low -- i mean his administration made like nazi jokes throughout the deliberations. this guy can't afford politically to actually come up with a reasonable reform package, can he? >> no. he was elected on the premise of rejecting europe's austerity program for greece. he's now had a week of the banks being shut. things are chaotic. pensioners don't have enough

money. pharmacies are running out of medicines and this is not the moment he's going to say we're going to take more. let's go to athens. julian is there for us. what do you think, julia, of what joe is asking? do you think greece can do this? can they come up with a real plan by tomorrow? >> you know it's a really tough one. you keep asking me the killer questions. all the way along he's unpredictable. you're so right. he was elected on a mandate to push back on austerity. he was elected to keep greece in the urteuro zone. and ultimately that could be a greece exit from the euro zone. i spoke to the government yesterday. they said, look we're going to put the proposals on the table today. you know guys we live in hope at this stage. you know what? as you mentioned also they're fighting fires with a banking sector where the real concerns are running out of cash. the question is can he come up

with a good solution in the short term? the ultimate question is able to sign a deal that will be tougher than if he signed on the dotted line two weeks ago. so it's going to come down to a decision on. that guys, unpredictable for the last five months. i'd hate to predict it now and be wrong. we need fresh proposals. >> thank you julia chatterley where it is lovely as ever. >> it really is beautiful. >> hoping for a deadline. >> a little known fact i changed my name for tv. i said i wanted scarborough. a little brain confusion. you know what my given name is? >> chatterly. >> oh, chatterly. >> yeah. >> steve chatterly was my name. that's a great name. especially with a british accent and reporting from greece. that's like hitting all the

targets. >> i'm doing the wrong job with the wrong name. katty chatterly, no doubt about it. harold, you're a money man. what happens? >> i think they get an agreement. >> do you really? why is that? too much pressure not to? >> i think there is a lot of pressure. the idea of an exit and consequences i think are known here. predictions from catastrophic to -- >> but the markets seemed beyond yesterday, right? >> i don't think anyone gets to play this out the other way. the way the finance minister showed up yesterday has to be concerning to everyone across the board including the president, our own president who i think got more involved with the rhetoric yesterday urging that -- urging that the prime minister find some answer and find some path for greece to get on some sort of sustainable path.

>> yeah, this prime minister, mike literally led his country to the brink. to the edge of economic collapse. >> i had someone who knows a great deal with the markets far more than i do explain to me yesterday that this is the three i league incompetence intrance jens meeting insolvency. the greek government is incompetent. the greek government is intranceijent and now we're in insolvency. if they don't make a big payment to the european union by sunday perhaps, that's when the old doo-doo hits the fan. >> if there's going to be an agreement, as harold suggests that means somebody has to blink. who is it? is it the greek government that just got a 60%, they think, mandate to have no more us astart? or austerity or it is the germans and french who said we're not

going to put our taxpayers on the hook for your problems? >> it's never a good idea to disagree with mr. ford. i'm not sure there is an agreement because i think things shifted in germany. i don't think angela merkel can go back to the german parliament and say we're going to give the greeks another life line and expect reforms from them that they've never delivered. as you said before joe, we've been down this path. the trust is eroded in germany. i'm getting the sense there is a shift in amongst european members, particularly amongst the germans which is all that counts. the french tried to persuade them during the course of this week. but i'm skeptical about the charges. >> i think the greeks will blink. i don't think europe is going to cave to them. i think it will be a short term deal. >> i don't know. i don't know if the prime minister does that. >> you mean the prime minister of greece? >> yeah. the prime minister is in power because of the arrogance he's

shown. towards the rest of europe. i don't know. i just don't know. how does he do that politically? >> you know the greeks have a case to make. germany hasn't paid the debts. they had debts and very good piece of "the new york times" about this. germany has had written off since the second world war. the photos of the precise thing that are making the rounds at the internet at the moment. and when countries have their debt written off, they get into a growth spirt. so they have a case to make. i it this europeans are really fed up with them. >> i agree. >> let's move to politics. >> let's move to domestic politics. hillary clinton took on questions about her e-mail habits. she was defiant about how low her poll numbers are when it comes to trust. >> i think when you're subjected to the kind of constant barrage of attacks that are largely fermented by and coming from the

right -- >> but do you bear any responsibility for it? >> you know i can only tell you that i was elected twice in new york against the same kind of onslaught. this has been a theme that has been used against mane my husband for many many years. people write books filled with unsubstantiated attacks against us. even admit they have no evidence. >> would you vote for someone you don't trust? >> people should and do trust me. and i have every confidence that that will be the outcome of this election. >> everything i did was permitted by law and regulation. i had one device. when i mailed anybody in the government, it would go into the government's system. i don't have to turn over anything. i chose to turn over 55,000 pages. and now i think it's kind of fun. people get a real time behind-the-scenes look at, you know what i was e-mailing about

and what i was communicating about. this is being blown up with no basis in law. that's fine. i get it. this is being effect used by the republicans in the congress. okay. i want people to understand what the truth is. the truth is everything i did was permitted. >> i've always said i like hillary. but if it would take three hours to unwind everything she said there. it's not true that everything she did was acceptable under regulations. it's not true that she only had one device and can you go down the list. we're going to have to listen to it again and write it down again. she said it well. she seemed to be very confident when she was saying it. it just -- it's just not true. the question is at this point though, do people care? and mike when she says these

are the right-wing attacks, it sounds like 1999. there is a conspiracy against bill and me. it's "the new york times." they were lashing out at. it was "the washington post" they were lashing out at. it wasn't other people breaking the stories. it was "new york times" reporters that drove these stories. >> a couple things popped out at least at me. there is still a lot of rust on this particular vehicle. she is still in spring training phase you think of getting her message out. the other element is the difference in we're used to hearing and seeing her husband who's been with us forever on the political stage. he is fearless on the stage. fearless. she is fearful. her eyes are just seem frightened at every word she says.

she is weighing and measuring every word that come out of her mouth. now it's understandable because she is right about the onslaught of criticism over the most picayune things involving the clintons. but not a great moment yesterday. >> i don't know that what she's been hounded about with the past six months willie could be considered something -- again from the conspiracy because it's "the new york times," "the washington post," it's "the wall street journal," it's a lot of top newspaper that's are asking the very tough questions. >> this was the first extensive interview after having questions shouted at her. what jumped out at you? >> well you know to jump on something that barnicle just said that secretary clinton looked fearful, to me she looked annoyed, especially talking about the e-mail the e-mail controversy.

clearly it seemed to me that she's just tired of answering these questions and feels she's answered those questions not just to the best of her ability, but, you know truthfully and she is still getting hit with the questions. the other thing is i don't -- she didn't exactly say it was a vast right-wing conspiracy. she talked about -- she's been under attack and she and her husband have been under attack about it media for a very long time. and that's true. they have been attacked. she's been under the media microscope since at least 1991-92 when president clinton ran for president the first time. so what we're seeing here is someone who is battle scarred, who has been through the crucible of controversies time and time again. most of them not born out. she's running for president a second time. she's been through this once before. and we'll see as barnicle says

there's a lot of rust on this vehicle. we're still many months out from when she really has to get her game back on. >> i do think though by the way, she brought up the republicans and the right and at tacks. i do think, though it's not such the rust on the vehicle as -- well the vehicle may be rusty. but willie she's not riding over a good road. i mean she can be tired of the questions. she hasn't really answered them. she hasn't answered them to the satisfaction certainly of any investigators and certainly not to the reporters of "the new york times" that first brought up these stories. >> what is she not answering? i agree, there is definitely -- she has to get ready for the pitching as it goes on here as barnicle's analogy suggests. what is she not answering? >> let's look at the screen. a lot of things she's saying are just not true. i don't say that with any mall as. factually speaking, if you talk

to the obama administration and you look at what's below your head right now and everything i did was permitted, no it wasn't. the obama administration will tell you off camera, off record that what she did was not permitted. the obama administration will tell you they put in regulations in 2009 that required hillary clinton to store all of her e-mails, not just e-mails that she sent selectively to people inside the state department or the government inside the state department. but all e-mails. you also can look at the fact that she had the server in new york. that wasn't permitted. the fact she destroyed her server and didn't turn it over. that causes numbers of problems. >> how do you recognize the fact that we had former secretaries of state from different administration say they also had --

>> they had separate devices. they didn't have separate servers. back in that time you wouldn't have separate servers. >> they always bring you will collin powell. he didn't work for barack obama in 2009 when he said this is the way we're going to keep our government transparent. this is the way we're going to make sure that people can have access to the documents that we move around this administration. they search for them in freedom of information acts. that's why they passed the legislation saying if you work for an agency all of your e-mails, not just the e-mails you send to the agency all of your e-mails have to be stored there. she did not do it. everything she did was not permitted. again, we talked about this a good bit. probably not a big deal with the american people. but don't do this clintonesque explanation on why is everybody picking on me? there is nothing in the rose law

firm records when you say rose law firm records for three years and hide them in your white house, sift through them and then decide what you're going to give investigators. you just can't have it both ways. >> listen there is no questioning the accuracy of everything we've been saying about the e-mails. i think maybe one in 50 million people out there care about the e-mails. >> right. >> they don't care about the e-mails. which leads to the question why is it that she didn't get on tv and say basically to the interviewer, hey you have to get over this. just get over this. >> the problem, katty is those trust numbers haven't collapsed because her favorite baseball team is having a bad year this year. they collapsed because americans -- >> and in part they collapsed because people don't know the details as you suggest of the e-mails. it's very complicated. i think they collapsed in part

because of what we saw yesterday which is a performance issue, a stylish u, which is a mannerism which she has of looking and sounding ee vasevasive. were she totally accurate that other people did the same thing, there is something about the way when she is asked a question she visibly doesn't like being pushed or pushed for transparency. i think -- i thought that was the weakest part of the interview last night is the manner in which she answered the questions. >> i think the responsibility for the media is to go through what she said in that interview and pick apart all the things she said that just are not accurate. i counted about five or six things that were just completely inaccurate including simply saying american people trust me. there is nothing wrong with my trust numbers. that's inaccurate as well. but if mika were here that's what she would be saying. what i say is mike along your lines, she needs to say, listen. i screwed up.

i should have followed the obama administration. i messed up. my husband, presidentst united states, had a server at our house. i thought it would be more convenient and that's why i did it. i really messed up. i'm really sorry. >> don't you feel like she feels this strategy can work for her? she can say benghazi the e-mails, the clinton foundation these are cooked up by the right. these are cooked up by republicans and the house of representatives and that just -- >> she's under attack. >> right, on her side. >> the problem is that it's "the new york times" and "washington post" driving it. its not drudge and brightbart and i.j. review and daily caller and conservative web sites driving this. >> let's get to the bottom line here. let me pose a question to the table including jonathan in washington, d.c. do you think it's possible forlekted edlected to the presidency and saying i know you don't

trust me but i'm competent. i can do this job. can she win that way? >> absolutely. and she will. >> what do you think, jonathan? >> i agree. that would be honest. and if anything people want a politician that is honest with them. you can't deny that her trustworthy numbers are up side down. people right now don't trust her. i agree with katty. they were bound to come down anyway. people love you before you say you're running for president. then you say you're running for president and sud lyn theydenly they don't love you anymore. that's been secretary clinton's problem from the very beginning, since she was introduced to the american people. they have given her a bit of a side eye trying to figure out who are you? what are you about? i'm not sure i trust you. i think she can -- i think she can gain the trust back. i think she will once the campaign really gets going and she has one or two or 17 republicans to respond to during

the campaign. >> one thing to note every job she ever had in public office she's done excellent job. but senator and secretary of state -- >> well the secretary of state record will be debated throughout the campaign. >> and it should be. >> yeah. you know what willie, what can't be debated. >> what's that? >> the xis exquisite fairways that run into the pacific oceans. the buffets that line the football field and go into trump international golf course it is. donald trump put out one of the amazing political statements of all time yesterday. >> that's a tease. >> i'm still -- >> it s. >> we'll read that statement. it's truly amazing. >> oh, yeah. >> we'll have that for you coming up. still ahead also $500 million spent to train syrians in the fight against isis. defense secretary ash carter

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he told the crowd gathered that protecting the planet was no longer a choice but a duty. the pontiff heads to bolivia for the next leg of the eight day homecoming tour. >> he is so cool. those crowds are amazing. "the new york post," a woman who posted a controversial selfie at the site of a deadly gas explosion in new york city is now a spokeswoman for the dnc. kristina froinlick was criticized for the photo where she smiled and held up a peace sign. she late area pollingized. she said she is the southern regional press secretary for the dnc. the explosion left two people dead and 25 more injured. >> from the san diego union tribune, the padres playing pittsburgh play is halted due to weather. scary moment for one member of the grounds crew as he swept up in the tarp as high winds whipped over the field. here it come here. >> wow! >> so the pittsburgh players actually run out on the field

including andrew mckuch inand gregory polanko to pull the man out of the tarp. there he is. play resumes after a one hour and 42 minute rain delay. >> from "the salt lake tribune," a scary moment in unite uchlt a trooper was responding to a car accident when another car hydroplaned colliding with both the disabled car and the trooper. incredibly the trooper only suffered broken ribs. expected to make a full recovery. >> wow. >> wow. >> from our new mexico affiliate, deputies responded to reports of a naked man walking down a state road. when they found him, he was behaving erratically. they were able to calm him down but not for long. watch this. >> okay. that's my car. no one is in there. okay? how are you poisoned? >> ouch. >> how are you poisoned? sir? sir. hey! get out of there!

>> he stole my unit. >> they don't want to help me. i'm poisoned. that's why i got the car. >> that actually was the suspect you heard using the deputy's radio. there the authorities were able to catch the man in the parking lot of a nearby hospital. >> he was poisoned after all. he had to go to hospital. >> mike i'm -- i'm certainly not a police officer nor have i ever gone through any intensive training for the academy or anything. but why do you let a naked man stand by your car door with the car running while you're 30 yards away? going hey, hey? what you doing over there? >> well that, was actually lewis the intern. >> what's the man doing in the front of that car behind that pixelation is what i want to know? >> let's go to the tape again. >> no let's not. let's go to the must read opinion pages? they're next. let's go to a must-read donald

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>> why is that snt bubble we've been talking about for years? >> the housing bubble. people have been mocking me saying there is a china bubble. i'm just curious. >> richard haas is on the next segment, we're going to go through all this. >> very good. so you know willie we have long said that trump was the abraham lincoln of our time. >> yes. >> some recent statements that he has made has perhaps challenged that assertion. okay. they have challenged that assertion. but as you look up on the chisel wall of the lincoln memorial and read abe's second inaugural address to the nation in the midst of a bloody and long civil war, you can't be reminded -- you can't help but be reminded of the statement that donald trump put out yesterday. you know i thought i was going to be able to do it straight face. >> this very morning, stone mason chiz willingselling this into

a monument. >> what he said in nordic elves, boom, boom. >> all right. here's the story. ready for this? nine businesses have now ended their relationships with presidential candidate donald trump. there they are on the screen. >> they're big ones, too. >> nasscar, espn macy's nbc, trump responded to two of them cutting ties. nascar and espn. in a statement that reads this way, "the dissociation of espn and nascar with the trump organization was covered about it president in headlines all over the world as though it was a major setback for me. really? what were the losses? one nascar bank wet in a magnificent ballroom? at trump national doral in miami for which i'll keep their very substantial deposit and rent the ballroom to someone else that night. in other words, two fees instead of one.

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can a business have a mind? a subconscious. a knack for predicting the future. reflexes faster than the speed of thought. can a business have a spirit? can a business have a soul? can a business be...alive? richard haas joins us. we were talking about how at least around this table, i was taken when people came back from

the bay jikeijing olympics it's so fantastic, they're going to crush the united states. their airports, their roads, they're trains -- and you heard it. and then the more you read the more they were saying yes, china is great. but so much of this is just savings for the government invested in their economy without an underlying market. and so we've been warning around this table about a china bubble for about three or four years, is there one now? if so what is it? is it a housing bubble? is it a market bubble? what is it? >> there is a bubble. there is proof a housing bubble and now a market one why lots of people invested to get in on the grid. when severing going up everyone wanted to join it. it was going up 100% and now it corrected down 30%, 25 30% in the last -- >> why? >> -- in the last -- well it's a bubble. it's just that. the chinese government doesn't -- they're nervous about it. what is so interesting about it is the government was more than

willing to tout the market when it was going up a sign that china was working. and now they're incredibly nervous. not so much for the economics which is part of it but they're nervous about the politics. they're nervous there will be popular discontent and taking a step back. this is a communist party that got a lot of its legitimacy from the improvement in china's economy and the standard of living. if things begin to unravel economically, they're worried it could begin to unravel politically. that's what we're seeing. the government for example, is shut down more than a third of the market. they don't know how to let a market work. stocks start going down badly. >> there is so much private/personal investment. it's not as inconstitutional alinstitutional as it is here. you have a lot of everybody day people losing money. >> that's why their nervous about the political blow back of this. this is a very insecure government. everyone helps china.

yes, they like very good 1, 2, 3 inning with instra structure. hundreds of millions of people have been moved out of poverty but then you get to the buts. china needs to change the economic model from export-led to import led. you have unintended consequences of one child policy. you have xrupgs on steroids. this is a country we only talk about the strengths here. i think the weaknesses are pro found. >> you also have the security issues. i'm starting to hear one business person after another business person come back from china saying the quality of life is just deplorable. the pollution is absolutely deplorable. i would never bring my family over there to work in beijing or any other city because we would have to walk around wearing masks all the time. >> yeah. that's particularly true of beijing which has one of the worst pollution rates certainly in asia if not in the world. but on the other hand china is

still an exciting opportunity to foreigners. and one they're still trying to crack. part of the reason we haven't had this market collapse spill out is there is not that much foreign investment into the stock market. does that have to change as well for china to become a robust economy? does it have to? >> sure. that is beginning to open up. you have issues about china, the chinese currency becoming part of what the special global currency baskets. you have the new investment infra infrastructure bank. stle to decide whether they're going to be more open to investment. the foreigners also can't lay off. the chinese market is just so big and so tempting that for all the problems they're doing business there is very hard for american companies to say, sorry, we're not going to do it. you can steal our property. but it's too hard to stay away. >> doesn't this remind you so much of 1988 1989?

you have japan that was expanding and they could say no they were on immediate ormediocre rise. no woun have predict they had would have flat lined in the '90s. we in america constantly find somebody that's going to overtake us, that's going to turn us into their grainry. and it doesn't play out. how is china different from japan? >> well, i mean the scale is ten time in term of the population. china's much more organized focus place. look, i lean on the side that people exaggerate china's upside. i think, you know i just went through that litany of problems they faced. the least likely future is one that resembles the last three decades of linear growth. it's not going to happen. can you only pick low hanging fruit once. china is slowing down significantly. it will have serious bum npz theps in the road. china wants all the benefits of an open society but they don't want to have an open society for

political reasons. too hard. you can't get from here to there. >> the number of people there means you can't say it's japan in the 1980s. it is a different model? >> does this -- it may be. but japan actually had a market. they actually had an industry. they it production on a grander scale than china z they built an van, too, right? >> they d i do -- i align myself with more what richard is saying on this. the question is around the military concerns we have about naval build up. how does this -- we should mitigate our concerns and we should see or not. >> will china play the foreign policy card? will it look for external adventure a little bit to distract, play nationalism? the whole legitimacy of the government the communist government was economic growth much as that slows, does the government begin to look to

other sources of legitimacy? do they scratch the national stitch? and there are those that are legitimately worried. we see the stuff going on with the islands much that's a possibility. that's a place to watch. that's all i can say. that's a legitimate concern. >> let's jum topp to greece real quick. you have to break a tie for us. harold thinks there will be a deal by sunday. katty is more skeptical. what do you i >> all along i'm on the optimistic side. now all the people that work with me are going the other way. you keep looking at i. you can't believe there won't be a deal simply because it's so much in the interest of everybody. they're not that close. so much of this is about the poison and the personal relationship between the greek government and the various europeans you owe them. i'm increasingly an outliar. i'm thinking there will be a deal by sunday. i will admit, i'm an outliar. most people i talk to in the u.s. government most of the

people i talk to who are professional economists now have gone at least 60/40 saying there won't be a deal. >> why? why do you that i? >> because it's so patently in everybody's interest. and the terms of it are better than the alt earn ti. at this point, and people will -- the europeans will agree not to get haircuts but they'll agree to get grace periods on payback, stretch out the terms. you only have to pay back over two centuries rather than one century. i think there's a thelot of flexibility in. there they trapped themselves by their rhetoric. whether they can accept anything. i find it hard to imagine that they would rather go down the path of issuing, you know script and iou on paper and then issuing a new currency. that is really shall we say, an experiment on steroids. and the fact they would want to do that is quite risky. >> richard, stay with us. next, we have some big news for

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>> george lucas thought i'm getting $4 billion from. this they're going to make that back in like two weeks. >> i'm very excited. another huge show harry shear, the voice behind mr. burns who left the show in may over a contract dispute will make his return now on the upcoming season. fox released a statement following the announcement that reads, each and every member of the iconic series voice cast will be returning in the roles they brought to life since the show's beginnings as a series of animated shorts nearly 30 years ago. >> so ted cruz will not be getting the job. >> he tried out though. did he a good jo job. >> he was pretty good. >> 30 years. >> i can't believe. that. >> can you believe that? >> no. >> has it been 30 years? >> it doesn't seem like it's been that long. >> the director of the new ghost busters movie coming up, continues to drop these little breadcrumbs about the ghost

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i know you've seen "saturday night live." >> yeah. yeah. >> she plays you and she plays justin bieber. >> yeah pretty good. i wish i could sing. >> quite some range. >> i know you do. who is the better hillary clinton? >> oh, you know amy is a friend of mine. and kate is doing a great job. you're not going to get me to pick one or the other. i think i'm the best hillary clinton, to be honest. i'm just going to be my own little self and keep going along and saying what i believe in and putting forth change that's i think will be good for the

country and, you know, i'm not looking for ratings. i'm looking for votes. >> all right. >> how did she do? >> hillary? >> yeah how do you think hillary did? what is the buzz out there? >> i think there is a tonal problem. i think there is a slight sense of i don't like to be asked -- she comes across as not wanting to be asked the tough questions and bristling at the press' role of asking questions that more than the substance -- and we talked about the accuracy and inakccuracy of the thing she said. for me, it was this -- i just wonder whether she needs somebody around here who is saying, look you have to try and have a manner with a press when you're asked the questions that doesn't across as so defensive or so irritated by the fact that you're being asked tough questions. >> all right. we'll get back to more hillary sound later and more reaction. but first, willie let's go back

to greece. that's just what we do here. >> the european council president is calling it the most critical moment in the history of the euro zone much leaders have until sunday to finalize a deal in hopes of preventing a financial collapse. yesterday was supposed to be the day for proposal to be submitted. european officials were caught off guard when greek's prime minister showed up to the meeting without a detailed plan. with us now live from athens nbc news foreign correspondent keir simmons. good to see you this morning. how soon will we see this plan from greece? >> good question. we thought we were going to see it yesterday. now they're being told that they have to have it presented by thursday in time for a deadline on sunday. i guess the good news is that it looks as if finally, finally the europeans who you'll know are -- can be so indecisive and like talking and not doing, getting focused on how serious this really s the president of the

european council saying this is the most serious moment in the history of the european single currency. so they are focused. they realize now i think that greece leaving the european currency will be very very bad news for europe and let's remember that europe is one of the three main crucial pillars of the world economy that is being, of course china and the united states. so it's a big, big deal. they now understand or at least they're acting like they understand. they're trying to understand why the greeks arrived without a written plan. to date prime minister of greece is speaking at the european parliament. he seem to have been taking a more conciliatory tone. he was booed and cheered there. what will he come to the table with when he finally does? and will he get the concessions from europe that they've been refusing so far to enable him to

come back to greece and send it to the greek people? those questions are very very difficult to answer and that's why they're still in a position by next week by monday we could be seeing greece crash out of the european single currency. >> and they've got four days to work it out. keir simmons in athens thank you so much. if you listen to angela merkel, she said this is up to greece. this is in their hands. if there is a deal one side is going to have to give. it doesn't look for the moment like the euro zone is the one that is willing to give. >> both sides are going to have to give a little bit. actually both sides have to maneuver. what the germans and europeans are thinking is really two things. one is they're much more worried about the dangers of setting a precedent, of being too forgiving than they are about the dangers of greece leaving. that's the first point. second of all, the politics are interesting. even if you made the larger economic argument that the germans and europeans would be better off if greece stayed it's politically sticks in their throat. i don't know any other way of

putting it. to say we're going to give you a little bit more. you simply cannot face your taxpayers and say that. so i think what you're seeing with the finance ministry is basically the german said enough already. we had it with you. we don't particularly like you. if you want to leave, good riddance. that really is the public mentality, even if on balance they could set in motion some risk that's would hurt the german economy. at the moment the politics are all on the other side. >> that was my next question. does it hurt the german economy if greece leaves the euro zone? do they have incentive to cave to greece? >> again, you're entering the great unknown. this is an experiment. then the question is what happens to markets? the euro weakens. look, germany has been the great beneficiary of the euro zone. the german economy has thrived when many others has not. germany is a winner from the status quo. there some risk. again, the politics are all on the other side. >> so why is germany succeeded, katty? why have the northern states

succeeded? >> because they're not greek. >> i mean that's it y are we talking? why are we talking about portugal? why are we talking about spain? why are we talking about italy? why are we talking about greece? why is it all southern european countries that are strug snlg. >> the -- struggling? >> the big mistake of the financial zone is the idea that you could ever have greece and germany in the same house. >> i'm trying to get you to say some very bad things about the lack of discipline for your neighbors to the south. because there is something to be head about that. >> you put up that chart the other day about the tax collection rates in the united states compared to the tax collection rates in greece. you could probably look at italy and see similar things. you could look at spain and see similar things. you could say that those countries are too status. that there is a reluctance to privatise national entities. a reluctance to pay taxes.

a level of corruption in the system. and you haven't seen those things in germany. >> richard, i ask you the same thing. draw a line -- >> but you see it in france. >> you draw a line in south of france and go down and you see countries south of that line of demarcation. >> two things. one is the very awkward conversation about political culture. there is something different about the political culture in southern europe where it's not as disciplined. you have tremendous support for the safety net for all sorts of government benefits. the other half is the economic side. they don't produce a lochlt germanygerm lot. germany is an exporter. these other countries aren't. >> i went to italy a couple years ago to insult an entire country, i love italy. but when i walked through the streets of rome and florence and, you know everywhere else i wasn't, it was like awe museum. walk down sixth avenue here and you have massive buildings and people like staring across 50

story building figuring out how they're going to kill the people on the other side you know and capitalistic warfare. >> you're trying to set up a business from france. the hurd tolls doingles to do so and tax you have to pay, the impossibility with which can you fire people if you need to fire them if you set up a business makes entrepreneurship in a country like france extremely difficult. and that's true. >> what i hear from french entrepreneurs and heard it from quite a few that come to new york city harold they tell you they had to leave because the of the peer pressure because people would work hard and set up businesses and are sort of obsessive in the anglo-american style of being obsessed on work are looked down upon. >> you cannot go to germany and say that this is a hot bed of small entrepreneurship and small businesses and people who work very hard. i mean actually the german model has survived on something chels is incredibly good relations between large enterprises and unions where they haven't had

their negotiations have produced very favorable conditions for success. it's been a focus on exports. it's been an adherence to regulations and paying taxes. it's not a thriving american style silicon valley. >> too bad they don't have a word for entrepreneur. >> look, i still can maintain i think they'll find a way to get a deal largely because of what richard laid out. and part of that deal will probably lay out conditions to prevent things going forward. they don't want to set the wrong precedent here. making people work longer ensuring that the kind of regulations you talk about and even finding ways to collect taxes. the greek prime minister can agree to those things and hopeful lit germans and the eu can provide some allowance and some compensation for them to do that. >> that's interesting. every time you have a crisis everybody dates it back to a certain point. some say 2008. some say the deal to the lending and borrowing, what the greeks haven't done. the other thing is the basic

concept of europe. the politics in europe got way ahead of the economics in europe. and finally we're seeing the disconnect. there is a political idea and the economic reality simply were not in line. and now sooner or later something like this is inevitable, it happened here. >> you talk about the other countries and the work ethic and talking about germany. i have friends that work in germany that say it's not what you think. >> six weeks vacation a year. >> six weeks vacation a year and try to get something done at 10:00 on friday it never happens. if you get anything done afternoon thursday it's pretty tough as well. but it really shows you what sort of freaks we are here in the united states as far as just working. also england and a couple other countries across the globe. i remember in 2009 everyone was saying the united states would be socialists. kun k you wrote the lines, you americans would be terrible

socialists. and explain why. because we're freaks. >> you don't have the socialist bone in your body. you really don't. there is nothing about the american attitude to work, about the american attitude to individualism which suggests social youism. when they go out on the campaign trail and start using republicans and start saying we are becoming panic socialist europe put ear buds in your area and realize it's not going to happen. >> the fact that people won't challenge medicare, social security and all that. isn't some of it creeping in here? >> okay. actually sh you have a public health care system but nobody would ever say. that say we're going to have a public health care system and everybody panics. the fact that you actually have one in va and medicare and medicaid is something politicians don't acknowledge. >> i have a question for richard going back to greece. and that is let's say greece doesn't come back to the table with a deal. is that beginning of the end of the euro zone? if that's the case what follows

that? >> i don't think it's the end of the euro zone. i think it's the end of greek participation in the euro zone. i don't think it's the end of the euro zone. the next test would be spain or portugal. i think there will be lots of efforts to keep that in. greece itself is what less than 3% i think of the gdp of europe. i think it's pretty containable. that is the calculation of the europeans and the germans. they actually think it may be sala torey. they think by making an example of greece putting it in the penalty box it may help bolster the discipline of the rest of the euro zone. >> all right. let's move to some domestic politics here. back to the hillary clinton interview where she took on the questions over her e-mail habits as secretary of state and defiant about polls that show voters are concerned about her trustworthiness. >> i think when you're subject to the constant barrage of attacks that are largely

fermented by and coming from the right -- >> but do you bear any responsibility for it? >> you know i can only tell you that i was elected twice in new york against the same kind of onslaught. i was confirmed and served as secretary of state. this has been a theme that has been used against me and my husband for many many years. you know people write books filled with unsubstantiated attacks against us. even admit they have no evidence. >> you would vote for someone that you don't trust? >> well, people should and do trust me. and i have every confidence that that will be the outcome of this election. everything i did was permitted by law and regulation. i had one device. when i mailed everybody in the government it would go into the government system. now i didn't have to turn over anything. i chose to turn over 55,000 pages. and now i think it's kind of fun. people get a real time

behind-the-scenes look at, you know, what i was e-mailing about and what i was communicating about. this is being blown up with no basis in law or in fact. that's fine. i get it. this is being used by republicans in the congress okay. but i want people to understand what the truth s the truth is everything i did was permitted. >> all right. i tried to write down the inaccuracies. and instead of me saying they're inaccurate, i'll just ask these questions to people around the table. harold ford, is it true that the questions about her server largely fermented from the right? is that true or false? >> probably a little truth it to. i think more balance. you made the point, the post and times raise it. i think it's a more balanced. >> no i'm just asking it's

largely fomented from the right? didn't "the new york times" drive this? >> they started it. >> true or false? >> driving it now is the congress, but it started in the "post" and "times" and has grown from there. >> katty, k, what do you think about this comment? people do trust me. true or false? >> she has several poll now which suggest she's got a problem with trust. >> richard haas she says everything that i did was permit permitted by law or regulation. true or false? >> that's an interesting line she had, i thought. which is -- it's a little bit like an accountant and you do your tax returns. those things which are not explicitly prohibited are they permitted? it's hard to watch this and not be struck by the irony that so much of this was done so you wouldn't be talking about e-mails and here is a candidate being forced to talk about e-mails all the time. you know in a sense she's on the defense rather than on the offense of making personal

questions. >> i have to ask a witness to answer the question. hillary clinton said everything that i did was permitted. let me lead the witness. am i permitted to lead the witness? >> yes. lead the witness. >> it is not true that obama administration themselves -- >> objection. >> -- you're the judge, you can't object. >> oh, right. >> isn't it true the obama administration themselves said what she did was not in fact permitted by their guidelines and regulations? >> objection this is not the clinton administration, you're honor. >> i'm simply asking whether he reads newspapers or not. >> seriously, did they say that retro actively or beforehand? >> 2009. the regulations were in 2009. they were put in place and said all e-mails had to be stored at the state department. >> that's what they said then that's the case. >> all right. >> we're going to keep this --

we're going to give you one, jonathan, that can you blow a hole in here. this has been -- this entire episode has been blown up and there is no basis in law for it. >> is that a statement? is that a trick question? >> that is hillary's statement. all of this is blown up and there is no basis in law for any of these questions for "the new york times" or "the washington post". >> what's the law we're talking about here? i've never been clear on this. you brought up collin powell before. i never heard then secretary powell told secretary clinton you should go and get your own e-mail. i also know that when the state department sent out letters to all the former secretaries of state asking them to send in

their documentation, she's the only one who has done it so far. that is also because collin powell barely had e-mail and anyone before him didn't. i'm still unclear on exactly what the law is secretary clinton supposedly broke. i don't know. >> all right. >> i don't think there is one. >> we've been saying it around this table for as long as this has been going on that obama administration supplied us with a 2009 regulations and they passed. >> but is that a law or regulation? >> it's a regulation. >> the regulation certainly has a force of law, does it not, if the obama administration says this is the regulation. >> but going back to what richard said that is the key line in that interview with her. she says no basis in law or in fact. and it was the in law part that jumped out at me. regulation, if the obama

administration puts down regulations, that's not a law that's been passed by congress. i mean that's -- >> it's not a law. >> it's a directive. >> regulation, does it not have a force of law, richard haas if you're in the state department and the bush administration the first bush administration puts a regulation in place and says this is how state department officials will conduct their business and will store their records for the purposes of the freedom of information act and national archives does that have the force of law for a diplomat working in the state department? >> i don't know if that's tech nick lit force of law but that's what you're mentant to do. >> maybe that's why the words were chosen carefully. >> the irony of this the whole idea i assume was to shield correspondence to shield e-mail and all that from freedom of information and here we are months later having this conversation that can't be when people around secretary clinton and others made the decision to go this way. when she made this decision

this could not have been the expectation or the intent. yet, here we are. >> willie geist, my final question for you, do you think the hans solo prequell without harrison ford will move tickets? >> my attorney's advise me to take the fifeth amendment. here is the regulation. u.s. code of federal regulation was updated agency that's allow employees to send and receive official electronic mail messages using a system not operated by the agency must ensure that federal records sent to receive on such systems are preserved in the appropriate agency record keeping system. >> and the secretary said she did that. >> no. she did not -- no she did not say that. this is what the clintons do. what she said was, well any e-mails that i sent to the state department are saved there. well what about the e-mails that she sent to sidney bloom enthal? what about the e-mails she sent to saudi arabia and gave the

clinton foundation? those weren't saved there. this is what clinton -- first clinton supporters will say there are no regulations. then you show them the obama regulation. well, she did that. but she didn't do that. this means all outgoing and all incoming records so the state department can have control of all eeps-mails. we don't. she turned over what she wanted to turn over and destroyed the rest. she is not anywhere near adhering to those guidelines. not even close. and she claims she is. that is not true. >> let me ask you a question. do you think this is political traction? do you think the fact she's having this interview and going to have interviews like this again, do you think this has consequences? >> i think she has to keep doing it. she has to get this behind her. she still doesn't have good answers. she didn't have good answers at the united nations. she didn't have good answers yesterday. she just didn't tell the truth time after time after time.

they have to figure out a smart way to get it behind them so she can start talking about income inequality and so she can -- so when she sits down in interviews, people want to ask her about the issues. she's still not there. i mean i'm not knocking her for saying this. i'm just judging her performance like john madden would judge a quarterback that threw nine interceptions out of 12 passes. she has to get past this. >> but she's still beating every republican head-to-head in every battleground state. >> does that make you feel better? >> the purpose of the exercise is to win the presidency. if she wins the presidency then she prevailed. >> but another thing she didn't tell the truth about is saying that people trust me. katty said we can show you 100 polls that have been taken that show her trust numbers have fallen. you don't want to see those numbers continue to fall. >> without a doubt. i agree with you on that. i think the point she made right before that is every job she's been lekted to suggests not only did she earn the trust during

that campaign she certainly earned the trust after the campaign about her performance which is many many many people who support her and to michael and your point and everybody's point around the table, i'm not sure this is gaining traction of every day hard-working voters as it may be -- not to suggest that it's not important. i don't think that has the impact with voters that it may have with some of us around the table. >> the specifics don't matter to voters. the general themes of distrust of the clintons of slipperiness that does matter. and that does stick. that's why a guy like bernie sanders that goes out and tells it like it is resonates the way he does. >> the question is do you believe that she did something elicit illegal, wrong with these e-mails? i think the vast majority of americans based on her record in public service say, no. and that's what she's benefitting from. >> then how do you account for her trust numbers being so low? >> she's the only person in the democratic side. i it this press has a

responsibility to ask her questions, ask her tough questions. >> i think sh will need to get better at answering them. >> that i agree with. i don't disagree with you about that. i think michael's point, she doesn't look totally comfortable answering the questions. she doesn't look as if she wants to be on the stage answering the questions. but that's separate from whether or not this exercise that she's engaged in which is to win the presidency, she's prevented from doing that because of questions around e-mail. i don't think americans are going to prevent her, stop her from reaching the white house based on questions about e-mails or not e-mails. >> it's trust that will have an impact. but i know we have to go here. alex is yelling at me. we have to go. i just have 12 more things to say. it takes me back to when harold and i were both in congress. he was like this. no you know i would love the clintons to do something willie that, they've never done before and just say without the press having to drag it out of them i screwed up. there's a clear regulation there. the obama administration had it there. you know what?

we've is so many enemies. people have beaten us up for so long. maybe i was a little paranoid. this has been a learning experience for me. i'm not going to take this into the white house with mechlt the past is not -- the past is not going to be pro log. i screwed up and i'm really really sorey. and we're going to have the most transparent campaign. and transparent, blah blah, blah. that's the only way she stops answering all these questions. >> i think she believes in her heart that she did not screw up. she didn't -- that she didn't do anything wrong. >> then she's delusional. the regulation you read clearly says -- and there's not an obama administration official off record and off camera that is sort of irritating they won't come on record and say it but won't say that she totally violated their rules and regulations. >> if she does feel like she screwed up i don't feel she feels the need to admit that. she's doing well enough in the polls and she feels like i think her democratic voters are not worried about this arcane regulation that i just read word

for word. >> arcane regulation is from 1822. that is from 2009. >>, no no, i mean it's a little bit in the weeds. i'm not sure voters are diving in that deep. we'll see. still ahead on "morning joe," a lot more to talk about. defense secretary ash carter admits the u.s. is far behind in its goal to train syrian rebels fighting isis. we'll talk to a member of the arms services committee, tim kaine who questioned the defense secretary at that hearing. are the nuclear talks with iran looking more and more like the 1994 negotiations with north korea? the chairman of the house foreign affairs committee ed royce weighs in on that one. plus ryan reynolds will be here later this hour to talk about his new film "self/less." you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. ♪ ♪ ♪

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>> why is he here? why do we have aman on? >> i'm curious, why is he here? >> i'm ryan reynolds in "self/less." >> nice tie clip. are all the kids in brooklyn doing that? >> i don't know. i don't spend a lot of time out there. >> it's pretty high too. >> you had this closed actually. i wanted it to -- >> what does that tie clip do for you? what message does it send to america? i sound like chris matthews. what does that do? >> it prevents from you moving around when you're trying to clip stuff on it in a rush and stuff. >> willie you have ever worn a tie clip? >> i've never gone that far. i don't think i have the swag that he has. >> he has the swag. >> that is the highest i've ever seen a tie clip. >> i like it. we don't want you to feel self conscious about it. >> i'm not. >> let's move along. >> we have somebody screaming in our air that we have senators

waiting. ash carter is making an admission one day after president obama promised victory against isis. secretary carter says the u.s. has only trained 60 rebels in syria about 1% of the goal. that led to heated exchanges with lawmakers over the role of the syrian rebels. >> is that fair to these young men to say we are sending you in to fight isis only and, by the way, we will decide on the policy whether to defend you if you are barrel bombed? >> they know we'll provide support to them. exactly what -- >> does that mean you will defend them against barrel bombing? this is not a president anlt exchange. i'd like to have answers to the question. will we tell them that we'll defend them against the barrel bombing? >> i think we will have an obligation to help them. >> will we tell them that? >> we have not told them that. >> have not told them that. so you're recruiting people and not telling them that they're going to defend them because you haven't made the decision yet and yet you want to train them

quickly and send them in. >> senator john mccain there obviously. joining us now from capitol hill, member of the arms services committee tim kaine. good to see you this morning. zbh great to be with you. >> for people who wondered whether or not there is a clear strategy for defeating isis, what was your take as you walked out of that meeting? >> senator mccain is exactly right. and he's been making that point since last september saying if we're going to train folks to fight isis in syria, what if they get attacked by the assad regime and yet to get a clear answer. he's absolutely right. we can't insert and train fighters back into that theater without giving them protection if the assad regime attacks them. he was right to make that point. 60 trainers is way too small. on the other hand we are achieving some significant gains against isis in syria. there was a front page article in the "washington post" yesterday largely in the north because of the valiant cooperation between the kurds in

northern syria and american air strikes. so in the province of the home the capital of the isis regime we have them on the run. so in the kurdish areas in both iraq and syria, actually there is some strong gains. but with the sunnis both the sunni opposition in syria and the sunnis in western iraq there is still a lot of work to be done. i was there last week in both turkey right on the syrian border and iraq. there is still a lot of work to do with sunni communities to show these american support for their effort against isis. >> senator cain i want to ask the questions that senator mccain was making cut to a bigger picture which is the administration not willing to take on the assad regime directly. and by backing any syrian fighter coming under attack meaning it would mean that u.s. gets involved. do you see any potential shift for the u.s. in getting directly involved against the assad regime and not just isis?

that is a demand of the syrian opposition from day one. >> it's been a demand of the syrian opposition and also been a demand of turkey. turkey has said look we'll cooperate with you more if you make it official u.s. policy that you want to topple the assad regime. the administration's been unwilling to do it. and i don't see them changing right now and saying it's the official position of u.s. to topple the assad regime for two reasons. first, i think president obama, this is my intuition, they haven't told me this i think he's made the determination that it should not be official u.s. policy to change the regime of another nation. it's beneficial policy in the past during many administrations. but i think they maybe learned something and they decided that should not be official policy. and second there are great questions and we dug into this last week on the syrian border this there are grave questions about what would come after an assad regime and would we see something similar to what we saw

at the post kadavy post saddam hussein, post hose any mubarak significant challenge that's would continue to royal the internal aspects of syria. so what we've done instead is tried to work with partners to find the moment when there could be a negotiated political end to the government and the next move forward. and that in all likelihood would lead to assad being gone but some elements of the minority that is currently governing possibly remaining in place to run basic municipal services that would be needed by the syrian people. >> you said yesterday, senator harold ford, good morning. >> good morning. >> you said congress needs to -- congress placed a higher priority on the 2011 defense caps presumably sequestration they have on defeated isis. what do your colleagues think of that? what do we have to do on the budget side to fix that? >> harold i sat through that hearing. i heard a love griping about the

administration's policy. i said look i have gripes too. but congress hasn't really earned the right to criticize because two things we're supposed to do. we're supposed to authorize war. today is the 11th month of the war, $3 billion, 3500 people over there and we haven't even had a floor debate about authorizing it and we're supposed to provide the budgetary support for the dod and other priorities. we're not providing a budget that meaningfully funds not only the operation against isis but the dod because we're relying on gimmicks whether it's a continuing resolution or in the new budget that is on the floor of this gimmick where, you know we can't admit that budget caps from 2011 14ushould be lifted. a number of members in the senate who serve on the budgets and arms services committee, senator graham senator ayat senator king and i are working to try to find a compromise so that we can avoid the harsh impact of these sequester cuts

when they come full force beginning october 1. >> senator tim kaine, always good to you have with us sir. >> good to be back. >> let's turn to iran. officials have once again extended the deadline to reach a potentially historic nuclear deal with tehran. now with the chairman of the house foreign affairs committee, congressman ed royce. thank you for being with us. >> good to be with you. >> there are a lot of people who lamented these continued extensions of the deadline. we passed another one again yesterday. but you said what's the rush? let's take our time to get this right. >> yeah, exactly. i think congress in a bipartisan way sent a letter to the president, 367 members, majority of the democrats and almost all of the republicans saying in this agreement what we really have to get right is the verification, the ability to have inspectors go anywhere go any time international inspectors, being able to go on to the military bases so we don't repeat what happened in north korea and that we not lift the sanctions early so that iran

doesn't get its hands, you know basically on a wind fall here that it might use for purposes such as supporting terrorism. so from the standpoint of congress, we want a strong agreement and we want the secretary of state to hold firm in these negotiations and that's our concern and that's why we say take the time and get it right. don't repeat the north korean deal. >> mr. chairman, do you think john kerry is holding ferm? >> well we have real concerns bipartisan concerns. >> what concerns? >> let's start with the ability of inspectors to go on military bases anywhere any time. >> is that the standard anywhere, any time? >> that's the standard in the letter that we sent the bipartisan letter signed by 367. would it mean we would have access to military bases and as you know this has been a red line for the ayatollah that we not go on to the military bases where some of the testing occurred. and this is what is holding up the negotiations. >> congressman, richard haas

here. how concerned are you about what happens after ten years when there is no longer constraints on iran, what they can do is centrifuges or how much uranium they can have. how worried are you about that that iran breaks out? >> this is the other issue we have in the letter that we sent to the white house. originally these negotiations were supposed to be multiple decades, richard. you and i know the concerns that policymakers have one detectible nuclear breakout capability. after 10 or 15 years, depending on how you read the preliminary agreement here, we could have -- we could face that challenge. and so if the clerics are patient, presuming for a minute that their long term goal is what they say it is death to america, death to israel you know, we know the rhetoric then it's very concerning that it isn't multiple decades. we would prefer in congress as we lay out to the president that it be multiple decades.

>> you said you prefer. you would insist on it? is there any move afoot to extend the duration of this agreement? >> we in the letter that 367 members signed indicated that that was our bottom line yes. >> all right. chairman ed royce, thank you for being with us. we greatly appreciate it. >> next, who is in and out? presidential candidates for the republican party are not pleased about the cutoff for giving the first deem. lindsey graham points out he wouldn't make it but pradbrad pitt would. we'll explain that when we come back. hey terry stop they have a special! so, what did you guys think of the test drive? i love the jetta. but what about a deal? terry, stop! it's quite alright... ok, you know what? we want to make a deal with you. we're twins, so could you give us two for the price of one? come on, give us a deal. look at how

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entry into the debate marginalizing the effect of the early primary states. >> that is lindsey graham on the radio yesterday talking about the debate coming up on august 6th. joining us now is nbc news political director host and moderator of "meet the press" chuck todd. also if washington mike allen. what about the debates? is that fair cutoff ten? >> look let me state it this way. i'm glad i'm not in the shoes of fox and cnn. i'm glad we don't have to deal with this and no. i think first debate -- i'm sure now in hindsight fox wish thez didn't do that. well, that's not true. i think the executives are enjoying the idea that the iowa straw poll which everybody hated has been replaced by the fox greenroom poll essentially you have to spend more time in a fox greenroom than you do in iowa or any of the early states which is lindsey graham's point. i think in an ideal world there are two debates, equal number, seven in one, eight in the other. it's cable, man.

fox can make an event. why make it a one night event when you can make it a two night event? >> so what are they going for the other candidates? >> i guess they're doing a smaller forum during the day time so it's going to be like day side candidates. >> jv game. >> right. >> can you easily do both. and granted, you know trump is another added sort of problem for the rest of the field to deal w nobody wants to be in the debate with trump. if you made two debates, you have a whole bunch of people wishing they were in the second debate. i think in hindsight, it would be better for this process if that's what happens. >> i agree. absolutely. >> let's talk about this piece, mike allen. i feel like we tack thld question before -- tackled this question before. does scott walker's lack of a college degree matter? are there people who are actually concerned about this? >> people in his campaign have been wondering how it's going to play. we have a new way of looking at

it. so it's been 67 years, 1948 larry truman when americans last elected a president who didn't have president who didn't have a college degree. we have a piece up on politico just now with two political scientists one from the university of wisconsin madison, one from duke looking at the substance of what leaders do once they get in office. they went back to 1875. and they looked at things having to do with peace and prosperity. did they get into wars? economic growth? did they have labor strikes? they found it doesn't make a difference. five days from now when scott walker gets into the race he's going to try to portray himself as an outsider someone who has a sense of priorities of average americans. this helps him make that. the idea of not having a college

degree gives you a chance to tell the story about hustle and getting stuff done. >> i'm sorry. the people who have reshaped the new century didn't graduate. steve jobs mark zuckerberg you could go down the list. bill gates. i find it hard to believe that penal -- people that go on computers and systems that have completely revolutionized the world are going to say this guy was a cup the hours short, he's not going to be able to do the job. you know he's trying to be antiestablishment. didn't get some degree since reagan, right? you know the two bushes all of

them in some form -- so you know, just by being a non-ivy league guy could be a change for some some. did we learn anything new yesterday with the hillary interview. >> on the e-mail questions, she didn't read her own transcript from the press conference. she was more forthcoming. she was very defiant, extra defiant on that issue on all those sort of characteristic issues, trust and e-mail. i thought she was amazingly prepared in what she wanted to say about trump and immigration, how quickly she pivoted to trying to tar the whole field and more importantly going right at jeb. i think there was a tell there. >> michael, final word? >> first year on "morning joe"

as part of the regular guy that scott walker is running, later today he's going to announce a rv tour quite a contrast with the scooby van that the hillary clinton campaign has. >> mike allen, thank you. >> have a great day. >> we were going to have you read donald trump's entire statement, but we'll save that for the next time. >> i have to fix my hair. i have to flop the hair around. you have to get into character. >> you certainly do. you had a great reading earlier. >> i thought it was is it good. >> a quick -- >> you're obsessed about the shoes. you don't have to shine them. you because them that way. why? >> why? do you like shining shoes? >> if they look like that i do. >> hey, i like them. one less thing to worry about.

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what do you do willie when you have a doughnut in your mouth and they say it's time to start the show? >> that's a nice chocolate doughnut. you're lucky mika is not here today. >> i tell you what you do you own the doughnut you own the moment you finish the doughnut

and then you finish the show. marco rubio should have done that with his water. >> if you're thirsty, own the bottle. i'm thirsty, i'm going to get some water now. >> a good lesson for all politicians -- finish the doughnut. >> for anyone. i think more important it's a good lesson on life. be there, right? >> be present. >> if you were there, be there. don't be somewhere else. >> that's a good way to approach it. >> all right. i'm here now, let's start the show. welcome, everybody. willie who is here harold ford joe car bore ow good to meet you. >> i would like a doughnut. >> mike barnicle is here. >> and katty kay is here.

>> this this greece thing is getting worse. >> though they gave them a deadline until sunday, saying if you don't come up with something by sunday katty. >> we hope by next week we aren't going to be doing this story anymore. what do you think? >> that really depends. if you're in greece reporting on this terrible tragedy -- >> and you want to stay. >> not a bad gig. >> which you don't want to come back to europe. let's get the latest. the european council president is calling it the most critical moment in the eurozone history. they're giving greece until sunday, yesterday another lifeline for greece. yesterday was supposed to be the day for a bush european

officials were caught off-guard when the greek prime minister showed up without a viable plan. >> he's made promises -- >> such a skeptic, joe. >> well he's made promises he can't keep. he's played to the low -- his administration has made like nazi jokes through the deliberations. this guy can't afford politically to come up with a reasonable reform package, can he? >> no, he was on the -- he's now had a week of the banks being shut pensioners don't have enough money, pharmacies are running out of medicines. this is not the moment he's going to his people and say we're going to take more of this action. >> julia, what do you think? can they come up with a real

plan by tomorrow? >> you know it's a really tough one, you keep asking me the killer questions, all the way along, he -- you're right. he was also elected to keep greece in the eurozone. they're saying look come up with these fresh proposals or face the consequences. that ultimately could be a greece exit from the eurozone. i spoke to the government yesterday, they want look we're going to put they concrete proposals on the table, but you know what they're fighting farce back here here too. there's now real concerns for the atms here so the question is, can he come up with a good plan. is he able to sign a deal that probably will be even tougher if he had signed on a tougher line two weeks ago? so it's going to come down to a decision for e -- guys

unpredictable for the last five months. i would hate to pretty it now. we need fresh proposals. >> julia chatterley where it's looking as lovely as ever. hoping for no deadlines. >> you know i changed my name for tv but it worked out. you know my given name? >> galifianakis? >> no chatterley. >> the question is whether she's a lady. >> a great name chatterley. i love that. and then with a british accent and you're reporting from greece? that's like hitting all the targets there. >> i'm totally doing the wrong job with the wrong game. >> katty chatterley you should be going to greece no doubt about it. >> harold you're a money man. what lapse? what happens? >> i think they get an

agreement. i think it's a lot of pressure. the idea of an exit and consequences i think are somewhat unknown. you heard the predictions from catastrophic -- >> but the markets seemed to yawn yesterday, right? >> they did. but i still think they get a deal. i don't think anyone wants to play this out the other way. the way this prime minister and this finance minister showed up yesterday has to be concerning to everyone across the board, including our own president, who's got more involved with his rhetoric yesterday, urging that the prime minister find some answer some past for greece to get on some sort of sustainable path here. >> this prime minister might literally led the country to the brink, to the edge of economic collapse. >> i i had somebody who knows far more than i do explain this is a three i incompetent meeting

intransigence around insolvency. the greek government is inxi the europe ozone led by germany is intransigent and if they don't make a big payment to the european union by sunday perhaps, that's whether it hits the fan. >> if there's going to be an agreement, as harold suggests that means somebody has to blink. >> never a good idea to disagree with mr. ford but i'm not sure there will be an agreement. i don't think angela merkel can go back to the german parliament and say we are going to give the greeks another lifeline and expect reforms from them they have never delivered. we've been down the path and the trust has been eroded in germany. i'm getting the sense there has

been a distinct shift, particularly among the germans, which is really all that counts. the french have tried to persuade them but i'm skeptical. i don't think that europe will cave to them. it will be a short-term deal. we'll deal with this for a while. >> i don't know if the prime minister does that. >> you mean the prime minister of greece? >> the prime minister is in power because of the arrogance he's shown towards the rest of europe and he's thumbed his nose at the reforms. how does he do that politically? >> you know the greeks have a case to make. germany hasn't paid its debts. a very good piece in "new york times" about this that germany has written off since the second world war, the photos of the precise things that are making the rounds and they actually get into a growth spurt and how how you get out of this situation. so they have a case to make.

i think the europeans have gotten fed up with them. >> i agree. >> let's move to domestic politics. in an interview yesterday hillary clinton took on some lingering questions about her e-mails. >> well, i think when you are subjected to the kind of constant barrage of attacks that are largely fomented by and coming from the right -- >> but do you bear any responsibility for it? >> i can only tell you i was elected twice in new york against the same kind of onslaught. i was confirmed and served as secretary of state. this has been a theme that has been used against me and my husband for many, many years. you know people write books filled with unsubstantiated attacks against us and even admit they have no evidence. >> would you vote for someone you don't trust? >> well people should and do

trust me. i have ever confidence that that will be the outcome of this election. everything i did was permitted by law and regulation. i had one device. when i mailed anybody in the government, it would go into the government's system. now, i didn't have to turn over anything. i chose to turn over 55,000 pages, and now i think it's kind of fun. people get a real time beindependence the scenes look about what i was e-mailing about and communicating about. this is being blown up with no basis in law or in fact. that's fine i get it. this is being in effect used by the republicans in the congress. okay. but i want people to understand what the truth is and the truth is everything i did was permitted. >> i've always said i like hillary, but it would take three hours to unwind everything she

said there and point out just what's not true. it's not true that everything she did was acceptable under regulation. it's not true she only had one device and you could go down the list i guess i'm going to have to listen to it again and write it down again. she said it well. she seemed very confident, but it's just not true. the question at this pint is do people care? mike what she says leads to the right-wing attacks, sounds like 1999 and the new york they were lashing out at. it was a worsts they were lashing out at. it wasn't brightbart or drudge that were making these stories, "new york times" reporters that drove these stories. >> a couple things popped ute at least at me watching that interview. one is there is still a lot of

rust on this political vehicle. she's still in the spring train phase. the other element is the difference in we're used to hearing and seeing her husband who's been with us forever on the political stage. he is fearless on the stage. fearless. she is fearful. her eyes just seem frightened at every word she says. she's weighing and measuring every word. it's understandable because she is right about the onslaught of criticism over the most picayune things involving the clintons but not a great moment yesterday. i don't know what she's been hounded about the past six months should be considered from the right-wing conspiracy because it's from a lot of top newspapers that are asking they

tough questions. >> they're the ones who brought it to light. jonathan, i know you watched the interview with cnn, her first extensive interview. what jumped out at you? >> well to jump on something that barnicle just said she looked annoyed, especially talking about the e-mail controversy. clearly it seemed to me she's just tired of answering they questions and feels she's answered those questions not just to the best of her ability but, you know, truthfully and she's still getting hit with these questions. the other thing is she didn't say it was a vast right-wing conspiracy. she talked about she's been under attack -- scherr and her husband have been under attack by the media for a very long time. that's true.

she has been undered media plik roe scope since at least 1991 '92 when president clinton ran for president the first time. so what we are seeing here is someone who is battle scarred, who's been through the crucible of controversies time and time again, most of them not borne out. she's running for president a second time she's been through this before. as barnicle said there's a lot of rust on this vehicle. >> she's bringing up the republicans on the right in the attacks. i do think, though it's not so much the rust on the vehicle as it is -- well the vehicle may be rusty, but willie she's not riding up a good road. she could be tired of the questions she's being asked, she hasn't really answered them she

hasn't answered them certainly to the satisfaction of any investigators and certainly not to the reporters of the "new york times." >> i agree, there's definitely -- she's gotting to ready for the harder things to come. what is she not answering? >> what she's saying -- a lot of things she's saying are just not true. i don't say that with any malice. factually thinking, if you talk to the obama administration and look at what's below your head right now and "everything i did was permitted" was not true. the obama administration will tell you off-camera what she did was not permitted. they put in regulations in 2009 that required hillary clinton to store all of her e-mails -- not just e-mails that she sent selectively to people inside the

state department or the government, but all e-mails. you also can look at the server in chappaqua, the fact that she destroyed the server and didn't turn it over. that causes numbers of problems. >> how do you reconcile the fact in secretaries of state from -- >> they had separate devices, but not separate servers. back in that time you wouldn't have had a separate server. >> they always bring of colin powell. colin powell didn't work for barack obama in 2009 when barack obama said this is the way we are going to keep our government transparent. this is the way we're going to make sure that people have access to the adopts that we move around this administration. when they search for them in freedom of information acts.

it said all of your e-mails have to be stored there. she did not do it. everything she did was not permitted. mike, we talked about this a great bit. probably not a big deal with the american people but don't do this clintonesque explanation of -- why is everybody picking on me? there was nothing in the rose law firm records? when you talk the records for three years and hide them in your white house, sift through them and decide what to give investigators. you can't have it both ways. >> listen there is no questioning the accuracy of what we've been say. i think 1 in 50 million out there care about the e-mails. the question is why didn't she get on tv and basically say to

questions about these, hey, you have to get over there. just get over it. >> the problem, katty is those trust numbers haven't collapsed because her favorite baseball team is having a bad year this year. i mean it collapsed because american it is are looking at these. >> in part they have collapsed not because people know the details as you suggest, because it's very complicated and most people haven't followed that. i think they have collapsed in part because of what we saw yesterday, which is a performance issue, a style issue, a manner i she has of looking and sounding evasive. maybe even were she total le accurate that other people did the same thing, there is something about the way when she's asked a question she visibly doesn't like being pushed or pushed for transparency. and i think -- i thought that was the weakest part of the interview last night was the

manner in which she answered. >> i think the response for the media is to go through what she said and pick apart all the things she said that just are not accurate. i counted about five or six things that were just completely inaccurate, including something saying plern people trust me and there's nothing wrong -- that's inaccurate as well but if mika were here that's what she would be saying. what i say is mike along your lines, she needs to say, listen i screwed up i should have followed the obama administration, i messed up. my husband president of of the united states had a server at our house, i thought this would be more convenient. that's why i did it, and i messed up and i'm sorry. >> don't you feel like she can say benghazi e-mail the foundation, these are cooked up by the right. >> and really support because she's under attack.

>> problem is it's the "new york times" and "the washington post" driving it. >> so let's get to the bottom line. let me pose a question to the table, including jonathan capehart in washington, d.c. do you think it's possible for her to be elected to the presidency basically by saying look it i know some of you have never trusted me but i can do this job. i am competent. i can do this job. can she win that way? >> absolutely, and she will. >> jonathan? >> i agree. that would be honest and if anything, if she was honest with them, you can't deny her trustworthy numbers are upsitedown. i agree with katty, they were bound to come down anyway because people -- and then they

say you're running for president and suddenly they don't love you anymore, but i think that's been secretary clinton's problem from the beginning. they have given her a bit of a side eye, figuring out who are you? what are you about? i'm not sure i trust you. i think she can gain the trust back and i think she will once the campaign really gets going and she has one or two or 17 republicans to respond to during the campaign. still ahead on "morning joe" deputies and police car, a man without closes. we'll at the time you what they're doing. plus for ted talks has racked up more than 4 million views. wile her first-person account of escape north korea, why it was so moving. and actor ryan reynolds joins us to discussing hi movie.

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>> damian are you all right? >> yes. death has some side effects. that's a new look at a science fiction thriller "self/less" ryan is better known as a bangkok baby-sitter. you just got off the plane. >> just landed from bangkok, yes. >> how was that? >> bangkok is nice. it was hot as hell and, you know very thai. >> yeah very thai. >> good to know. >> i know. i know. i was expecting denver but they're very thai.

>> how did the baby like -- >> she doesn't tell me much. she doesn't have a vote. >> i'll bet she was spoiled rotten. >> my daughter was doing a movie, so i was with her all the time. talk about the movie. >> yeah it's basically -- you know,ist based on real science, just that we have a billionaire kind of mogul guy played by sir ben kingsley he's at the end of his rope he life. he wants to find a way to carry on. he meets a certain person that for an extraordinary fee, is willing to transfer a consciousness into a younger body that can carry on husband woirk for quite a long time. but of course there are dire extreme consequences to doing that. >> so what was it like working with ben kingsley. >> pretty cool.

you know i had a nice year. i got to work with dame helen mirren. i'm from canada. they don't knight us there. went straight to bangkok. >> i think this is a pretty universal sentiment, you want to live forever -- >> i don't want to live forever. i would like to close my eyes to this mortgage at show eventually. not just now. >> the movie would certainly make -- would you do anything to keep going? right? >> i guess if you had some task something you absolutely had to do that was for a greater good sure i would not want to do that. if somebody kicked me in the head and could only whistle the theme song to "golden girls" i would still want to stay in that body. >> what was it like working with

helen mirren? >> amazing. the first day i worked with her, we were doing a table read of very heavy subject matter "woman in gold" restitutions a true story about a woman who sued the austrian government to get her painting back. helen the first say she leans over and says i'm so [ bleep ] nervous. i was thinking you're helen [ bleep ] mirren. how do you think i feel? i love that though that somebody who's been doing it for as long as she has, such a prolific way, to sit down and is nervous at a table. i think that i inspiring. >> are you? >> i'm always nervous. >> you really look shaken up. >> i know. i know. i'm wearing an adult diaper so

i'm fine. >> let me just -- i'm reading the papers last night and looking at all the stories, and i get to the 11 stories about greece, and i said surely no one will turn to me and ask about greece. i get here the first hour -- >> did they saw how much does germany own of their debt? >> i didn't even know that much. >> $30 million. >> who are you? >> no the yes is, are you look who are you? you wanted to talk about sassy hairstyles. >> if there's a story with 11 articles, the chances are it might be a big story. >> if you helped run the country for eight years, i don't want to talk about debt crisis. >> if there's a lifeline i'm going to take it. last week there was an instagram

flurry. people freaked out about the legs. i gave you a big round of applause for having the baby out. ear a hands-on dad. >> i'm glad i juan carry the child like a suitcase. >> i'm doing it and then turn out fine. >> i can guarantee it won't be my last. >> the biggest surprise? >> the biggest surprise? i think it's time you go my god, time is flying by. time is flying by. there's no marker of our sort of fleeting existence on this planet than having a kid, i think. for me that's been big. >> unbelievable. i have two kids in the 20s. two younger kids. every second you just want to hold them there. it goes so fast. >> enjoy it. >> which goes to this movie. of course there's obviously a morality play as well.

people wish for something, they get it and they find out there are terrible consequences. >> yeah. >> i love -- >> like a career in hollywood. >> exactly. i love the truman capote line that more tears have been shed over answered prayers than anything else. >> and it's a profound line. definitely. i think we all have that in us that thing that says our time here is very short, and got to make the most of it but i think it's a real moral conundrum. we were location scouting they met a couple billionaire guys because they needed a fancy high-rise, and both of them asked, is that real? [ laughter ] i was so shocked. some people would really be up for that. >> you know thinks -- i prayed growing up -- we're in the same club independented to be a member of like "people's"

sexiest plan alive. it's not all that it's cracked up to be. you're looking at the guy that bumped me out. >> heavy is the crown, joe. >> it's a burden. i could talk about my burdens all day. talk about yours. now, that is the sort of thing that -- you know this is the greatest thing, biggest star you know what? so much stuff is just not worth of price of admission. >> you know that kind of thing is silly. >> but just people following you nonstop. >> and your wife is an incredibly beautiful famous movie star too. >> she is. >> is it dual -- >> it can be sensory overload. we live out in westchester. i'll be home for a few weeks, and you forget you go to the grocery store and somebody has a camera phone up in their -- >> they'll be there for two weeks and honey, i need somebody

to take a picture of me real quick. i am losing my identity here. yeah yeah. this looks great. >> thank you guys for having me. i've watched for a long time. >> are you a political junkie? >> i like politics because it is theater unlike anything else. >> so you're going to follow the campaign? >> all 47 of them. [ laughter ] >> they're loaded up. >> ryan reynolds thank you so much. "self/less" is in theaters on friday. watch it. we'll be back with more "morning joe." i think so. because not just any beef goes into it. only certain cuts of kosher beef. i guess they're pretty choosy. oh, honey! here, have some of ours. oh! when your hot dog's kosher

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by the way, we are headed for probably the worst opening in the new york stock market this year. point around the globe, and take your pick of the problem. china is the big story. greece is still on the headlines as well. the price of oil is coming down. i can't overstate the magnitude of the chinese stock market decline. this is the second biggest economy in the world. it has now lost 15 greek gdps worth of value in one month. put another way. it has lost more in trillions in one month than we have lost in the entire intranet dot-com bust of 13 years ago. greece asking for a three-year bailout suspension. european leaders are say sunday is the drop-dead time. they mean it. the price of oil continue toss go down. and we're getting confirmation that if you're looking for fly on a united plane, good luck.

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i thought my country was the best on the planet and i grew up singing a song called nothing to envy. i was very proud. in schooled we spent a lot of time studying the history, but we never knew much about the outside world, except that america, south korea, japan are the enemies.

though i have wondered about the outside world, i thought i would spend the entire of my life in north korea until everything suddenly changed. >> that was a look at hyeonseo lee's acclaimed ted talk. it's been viewed by more than 4 million people. in it she shares her personal tale of a hairoing escape from north korea. she joins us now with her new book. hyeonseo lee there's so much about your escape to china that's incredible. tell us a bit about your story, about how you got out of north korea. >> um, i thought living in north korea, i thought i was very lucky but having the leaders. we learn all the time that it's the american imperialists if they attack our country, we will live as slaves as north koreans now.

that's why we were very proud of being in the country. but during the famine from 1995 when i see people dying on the street and many people suffering around me with you know starvation at the time. that changed my mind completely. so i have very curiosity and attraction about the outside world. that's what led me to cross the boarder. for north korean crossing the border is illegal, but we had good relationships with the border guards so i asked him to help me cross the border. it was a very unusual situation. that's why i crossed a bit easier than ear defectors. but after crossing the border it was hard for me. i became an orphan suddenly. >> and here you are. we know very little about north korea here in america, but growing up a river separated

where you lived from china. >> and it was dark at night in north korea. >> exactly. >> you could look across that river and see the bright lights of china. >> yes. >> what did that do to you? >> because even kim sun died before 1994 we started to have power shortages almost every night, and through the famine we didn't see any lights for a week or ten days. it grows more severe but across the river in china, i saw signs and street lights while we didn't see any lights. at night north korea looks completely like a black hole, so i learned north korea is superior to china, but we don't have any lights? i'm like what? i didn't know the answer. why we don't have -- because i

learned my country is the best in the world. so those things -- you know still at the time i didn't know we were brainwashed, but little slowly changed my mind. maybe we're not that great yet. >> what is the one thing that people in the west don't know about north korea that you want people to know with your message? >> um i mean most media focus on the regime and the nuclear missile weapons, those things, but people have forgotten the ordinary mime who are suffering under the dictator and living inside a prison. i want to let the world know about their suffering under human rights violations, and, you know those many defectors are hiding in china, most are female detectors, and then they are sold as sex slaves and sold as brides even happening right now at this moment so i really

want to tell to the world focus on those suffering people and then pressing on china to stop supporting north korea and make those changes. that's what i hope for. >> thank you so much for coming. "the girl with seven names." thank you. the rundown picks up coverage next. do stay with us on msnbc. i'm meteorology more than 8 ridges rain fell in abilene, texas. taking a look at today's forecast we will see scattered showers and thunderstorms, from the southern plains all the way to the new england area. have a fantastic day. need something filling, taste bud loving,

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