good day to you. the nation's largest trading floor. the fourth largest airline brought to a halt. both underlying issues teamed to be resolved but the resiz yule damage is still there. the new york stock exchange is about to reopen. concern about china and greece weighing on investors' minds. the halt to trading was likely the result of some sort of technical malfunction not a cyber attack. it appears that the malfunctions at united and the stock exchange

were not the result of any nefarious act. >> there is not a war being fought here but i hope a conversation to figure out is there a way to maximize both to keep ourselves secure on the internet and as best we can keep ourselves safe on our streets and communities. and now the air traveler problem is blooel bleeding all the way with massive delays, a network wide computer glitch left some stranded on the tarmac for hours. we will start with the situation

at the new york stock exchange. we're told as they could start up as soon as 3:10. >> that's the deadline but of course there was an earlier deadline between 2:45 and 3:00. the company's president was interviewed by cnbc. they have identified the problem but he was not more specific. he wanted to make sure they got it right and didn't cause any additional problems. what we do want to tell your viewers is just because there's no trading on the floor of the new york the nasdaq is up and running. the floor only acounts for a quarter of the exchange.

>> how is this going work and if there is any problem then will that be significant? >> i think if there are further glitches it will raise eyebrows. but as it stands right now they start taking orders at 305. because the stocks have been roulted to other areas it shouldn't cause too much of a disruption. more than anything it would be a black eye on the reputation of trading on the floor of the new york stock exchange more than anything. thank you for your time. we want to turn to the other so called glitch that started today. the planed grounded by technology problems.

how long are the lines and what can you tell us? >> right now the lines are building a little bit. it's the afternoon rush as you can see. people are arriving early in the morning finding out that the flights are grounded. passengers were complaining there was not a lot of information which meant there was a lot of frus trace. >> they're being told to do the wrong thing so it's united's problem and we will just get through it. >> now flights this morning delayed up to two hours because of this. those flights are lively and they are making up other

flights. on the airside there are people waiting for planes. another wrinkle in this. there are thunderstorms that could fire up later this afternoon from the southern plains to the ohio valley. if that happens that will add all sorts of more delays. >> and on this day of glitch wes heard our colleagues there talk about the fact that look this is only part of the market. people hear stock exchange and think that it's the whole market and it's not.

and yet this seems like the kind of glitch that does unnerve the markets in a more fundamental way. >> that's right. the stock mark has evolved so much past the point of guys yelling at each other. it's a massively complex computer system. many people will say a look at the fragmentation of the market spread over venues. the country goes down and trading has continued pretty much without incident for most investors. people can say it has gotten way too complex. why do we need 50 other venues and they say glitches are a symptom for how complex it has

gotten. >> we're about three minutes. >> it is when a lot of mutual funds send their orders into the stock market. a lot want to get prices for the stock that match up. they want to get into that final option of the day and closing option as it's called. the volume traded during the final minutes. except for sometimes the first few minutes. today is an esspeshlt lypecially important. . index funds.

is that process taking place after the close today? all of these funds are going to try to buy and sell. it is very important. . you know what's going on in china. all of that is creating a lot of anxiety for folks. even if this happen with no foul play it is potentially taking people's confidence in the market. confidence is so important. do you think this could have some larger reverberation on the economy. >> i think that's absolutely a risk. there had been a stretch where there had been all sorts of glitches in the market. . facebook shares. there's a big long series of glitches that really had people worried. thankfully we have gone a good

stretch of time without a glitch like that. with that said it's obviously going to -- this could cause congress to call hearings before the summer recess to get to the bottom of this. . it's important to realize that if you're trading on e trade or schwab, it is not making it to a stock exchange. an internalizer which say they want to buy it they take our trades and match it up before it gets to the stock market. that shows you how complex and spread out trading is over so many different trading venues. so for an individual retail investor trading at home this should not be a big concern. >> we invited you on here to tell me if my flight was going to be on time. i'm flying united later this evening so that will be really interesting to watch. it's a deadline. talk to us about the risks at

play here if it does not resume on time or if there are any glitches here when it does open up. >> it's definitely something to sit on the edge of your seat. . . >> that is a big thing. it might react in a way that could cause big spreads. it doesn't look like there is so many unknown ss.

>> trading reaction. >> we talked to a lot here today. this was on the bottom of the list. >> out to the market. again there are so many different venues where that buyer or seller can be matched. a case like this happened is that it just gets routed around the new york stock exchange. >> i think we will cut in. we have breaking news. trading is resuming on the floor. we want to go right there. mary, can you hear me and what can you tell us? >> trading has resumed on the new york stock exchange after a

four hour delay caused by a computer glitch and the dow jones is making its way back as trading resumes on the floor. now at 199, down 199 points again. keep in mind the floor trading accounts for about a quarter of total volume and we are seeing the volume start to decline. >> can you tell us are we in the clear then as you look at this and say that trading as has resumed. does that mean that they are back and healthy? >> it doesn't mean that there are any glitches. right now it looks good and this is important because the most important thing you want is you want the markets opened at the close. that is when mutual funds are priced. that is when indexes are received. and you need -- the new york

stock exchange appears to have gone off without a glitch. >> thank you so much. it has reopened now. people are trading. talk to us about if you are outside of new york city not trading. why should americans care about what happened today? the fact that it's up and running again? >> well it's obviously possibly a symptom of how complex markets had gotten. there is a big critics that says it's way too complex. why do we need 11 official stock exchanges? couldn't we have four or five? is there really a need for that? that is an issue that has really caught a lot of people's attention. now we have one so it's going to be interesting to see.

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hat's progressive. welcome back. just moments ago as we reported, the new york stock exchange resumed trading. president obama and jagck lew in meetings were briefed on the situation. and chris jansing is inside the oval office. chris, it has been a very busy day for the president today.

were the route a doubt. and that meeting with treasury secretary jack lew was previously scheduled before all of this happened today. but without a doubt, it certainly at least in part changes that conversation. jack lew one of the people the president would turn to in a situation like this and he was briefed by his homeland security adviser as well as his chief of staff. both of whom essentially confirmed what the individual entities did both united and the new york stock exchange. that this was something internal and not external the way the white house put it that there was no indication of malicious actors and in no way were the two related. however, the white house has not been willing to say what they think the potential impact might be on the economy or on the stock market itself. waiting to see how all of this plays out. but this fits into a larger picture of what has been going on here the on capitol hill as well as at the white house with a push for cyber security. but a pretty big distance between what the whougsite house and

democrats want to do and many republicans. and in fact this issue has been on the tailble for three years running and they haven't made any progress. today the white house said it hoped it would give it a new sense of urgency. there certainly is no indication at least in this early stage that anything might change on either side. but as you know the targets here of cyber security those malicious actors in the past have been a great concern here. it's affected federal workers. but i also asked josh earnest in the briefing what about the infrastructure issues. what about the concerns that the internet has become so integrated into our lives but technologically and in terms of capacity maybe we just haven't kept up. here's what josh earnest had to say. >> the administration has made it a priority trying to help computer systems across the country bolster their defenses against malicious cyber activity while roads and bridges and runways are critical to the

basic infrastructure of the country, so, too, is the infrastructure of the internet. making sure that that equipment and that software is up-to-date and reflects the burden that we place on the modern computer infrastructure of the country is also important. >> reporter: and in fact when that cyber hack hit here in the federal government affected millions of federal worker the president talked about how old some of the systems were. and when i asked josh about that today, he said one of the things they found is that the process was so onerous for trying to get for example new software in that by the time it went through that process, it was either outdated or maybe even unavailable. so that's one of the things they're working on internally in the government systemically to try to keep up essentially with what is this fast moving changes in technology and in demand. >> all right. chris jansing at the white house for us. thank you. as always let's turn now to

hunter walker politics editor at business insider. hunter busy day today. a lot going on with united airlines and of course new york stock exchange. important to point out neither of these were cyber attacks, but up in the less it up in the less it makes you think about the importance of cyber security. james comey was on capitol hill this morningin the less it makes you think about the importance of cyber security. james comey was on capitol hill this morning and briefing lawmakers on how much the world has changed and how important it is to be prepared. let's take a listen. >> the tools we're being asked to use are increasingly ineffective in our national security work and in our criminal work. the world has changed in the last two years. dekripgs has moved to something veil to something that is default. i hope we can have a conversation before we get to that world and people start looking what do you mean we can't do what we pay you do. the isil threat illustrates the

inflex inflexion point. sdl how much does politics get in the way of the situation he's talking about? >> one thing that is interesting is we're seeing the candidates on the 2016 trail have this awareness that cyber security is a huge problem. and they say they want to tackle it, but for example hillary clinton and jeb bush you know with hillary we saw this issue with her e-mails and the questions about security that that raised. and then with jeb about yourbush he forgot to redact all this private information from different citizens. so we're seeing politicians try to take this on and they don't necessarily understand the tech very well. >> what jim companyey is talking about the encryption. they do that want to have to ask

for court orders. they want back end access. rand paul and others feel the same way. >> and as we saw with the local snowden controversy, people are not necessarily comfortable with the government having the means to get into their e-mail especially through encryption. >> where he saw the opm data hack, now these glitches today with while not a hack and not terrorist related or anything like that are still very unsettling for people and makes them question how secure are all of our systems. i wouldn't say cyber security has been top of mind for your average voter this election season, but i would think the candidates to need to have answers in place and are going to get asked more and more about cyber security as people become aware of the risks that we do face here in the country. >> absolutely. these three incidents with united, with the "wall street journal" and nyse were reportedly not related, but as soon as this was going down you saw twitter just explode with people making jokes about doomsday scenarios and even

terminator style. >> it did feel like i needed to hide under my desk. >> so we've already seen some segments of the country that are really, really concerned about this stuff. the glenn beck and ron paul world has been buying bunkers and silver bouillon for ages. >> so when something goes wrong, people say government, help us how do we deep with this situation. can the legislative or executive even do anything to help protect against these sort of things and their potential impact on the economy? >> the question chris brought up before is very interesting. is the technology moving so fast that it's sort of outpacing any potential political solution. so i certainly don't know the answer, but these are very very important questions. >> i think technology is outpacing everyone, not just politics. hunter walker thank you as always. and next we go live to capitol hill and find out what more lawmakers are being told about today's tech glitches. still ahead, the security implications even if they're

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let's head to the hill where cyber security actually happened to be a topic on the agenda even before this morning's glitches at the stock market and at the airports. luke russert is of course on the hill for us. luke, what are folks there saying. >> reporter: well, cyber security has been a huge issue on capitol hill. it really dates bagck to when we had the massive data breach that affected target customers as well as sony pictures and then the opm where thousands of federal employees had their personal information put out there. so congress has been trying to get to the bottom of this issue for quite some time. back in april, the house actually passed a cyber security bill overwhelmingly got over 300 votes. everybody cheered it as a bipartisan effort. and one thing that that bill instructed private companies to be more forth right with their

data with the federal government, in exchange the federal government would give them liability protection. everyone thought it was going to go smoothly. it would go to the senate. unfortunately, the hiccup in the is that the. republicans there tried to move to put the cyber security bill in an overall defense bill.the. republicans there tried to move to put the cyber security bill in an overall defense bill. democrats did not like that so cyber security has been stalled in the senate. so there have not been systemic reforms made to a system which allowed for all those data breaches at target, at sony, at opm. today i talked to one aide with homeland security that immediately their ears perked up when it became known that it was both united and new york stock exchange were down today. they told me thank god that was just a coincidence, but this is something that we're very fearful of because when you go through the federal systems, and you go through even company systems, a lot are outdated their owe antiquated and we don't have enough uniform sort of sets of what everyone should

adhere to because it's such a ground breaking field. so they still have a lot of work on this issue on capitol hill and they need to get rid of a lot of partisanship surrounding it. >> very interesting perspective. luke russert, thank you. for more, let's bring in peter welch, he served on the national security subcommittee as well as branch on if he cantechnology communications. one thing that i'm reminded of today is frequently when we think about cyber security we think about hacks, we think about government systems. but in fact most of the computer systems we rely on in our day to day lives are private systems. so how much control or how much protection is the government able to give us with regard to private computer systems? >> the government can't give security with respect to private systems, but what we can do is have a national standard that requires these private companies that have publicly impacting

arrangements like united like the new york stock exchange to have modern data security standards. congress can't micro manage what that is because as others have said, the technology is very fast paced. but we have to impose an obligation for these companies working in the public and putting public funds and private funds at risk if there is a breach. we have to have a standard that requires them to meet the best standards veil. second available. and the secretary thing, the government has been asleep at the switch. we have to have breach notification so that in the ents event your information and mine all up there in the cloud is breached, we have to make sure our consumers are notified so that there is some confidence that if there is in fact a breach, there is going to be notification and an immediate ability to rectify the situation. >> congressman i'm concerned about folks feelings about confidence in the market going

forward and also as our previous guest talked about, we have 11 major stock market exchanges in this country. is the stock system just too complex right now? >> i don't think it's necessarily too complex. but what you pointed out is i think what the real fear is. if people lose confidence in the security of the system and this blip here does shake the confidence in the system, then that will have a negative impact and could spiral out of control pretty quickly. so there is an enormous need here in my view for a public/private partnership. the private sector really has an incentive to make sure their system works and doesn't break town. this is not good news for the new york stock exchange. but the government has to work to make certain that all our companies are required to meet at least reasonable standards of security. the other thing is that this is an infrastructure question. a lot of european countries have put much more investment into

the whole internet roll out and build out. and we need that. we need it in rural america and we need it obviously in urban america, as well. and that's where i think there should be some public investment to make sure that the systems we have in place are the most robust that allow for redundancy, so that our private sector that does have these interactions that are so crucial to our economy have the interdictionfrastructure that they need to get the job done safely and securely. >> some might suggest the way things are run in d.c. and the people that are running things there are a bit behind or not as up-to-date especially when it comes to technology. but we're talking about cyber security here and how important it is as we move forward as a nation in protecting the american people. what do you say to folks that say the people making these big decisions don't even understand technology and that's a real problem? >> well, do i work withi do work with some of the best minds in the 18th

century. but what him and i seeing in my colleague, republican and democrat, some tech 156 have isavvy and others like myself aren't, there has to be flexible standards. you can't micro manage from congress and have us write the code of what that security situation will be. but we can say i think in legislation that they have to adopt reasonable standards of security. and that's a bit of a flexible standard. we actually would have to work with regulatory agencies. but the expectation i think from congress and from our state legislatures can be that if you're going to use the internet to sell airplane ticket up to have a solid and secure system. that's a standard we can require of our companies to meet. >> when you talk to cyber security officials, there are other changeexchanges that have political difficulties. a lot of these companies feel they're not forced to report, they get sued all that kind of

stuff. i want to broaden it out which is just basically is there an urgency on this issue or not, a colleague of yours on the other side in the senate tweeting today, senator bill nelson three major computer malfunctions on same day give appearance of an attack of course it wasn't as far as we know, and serves as a reminder congress must pass a cyber security bill. what he's doing there i think is understandable, but it's delicate, right? it's the same conversation we have about terror about security, about politics and fear. how do you summon some sort of public support for this without making people overly anxious. >> well we just got to forge ahead. because i think what happened today makes people anxious. what happened with target makes people anxious. what happened with anthem makes them anxious. so in fact this is just our job and i think we have to move ahead. but i think here's where we have to make a distinction. the cyber security is something that all of us know we need. our economy won't function if we have insecure data systems.

then there is a second issue that is really complicated and difficult and we're a long way from consensus and that's privacy. all of us have our information up there in the cloud. all of us have entitled to privacy. but how you parse that out, that will really be and ongoing conversation. i see us having the potential to get to yes on the security issue and i think we have to keep working on the privacy issue. >> congressman, we appreciate it. thank you so much. and up next the key question today's glitches have many of us asking. has america become too reliant on technology? we'll take on that angle of this breaking news at airports and the new york stock exchange as we cycle on.

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rely on computers and how dangerous that can be. let's talk about it with patrick tucker. i use my phone to take care of everything. and then when my battery dies, i'm lost and the things i didn't write down i suddenly don't know, which is sort of like a tiny example of the massive thing that we experienced today. are we too reliant on computers in in modern world? >> that is an enormous question. and there is no way to really break it down in terms of how we would live without them. what this shows really is that for all our reliance we haven't done enough to protect ourselves when they go down. in many ways the best solution for what we saw today is to become more reliant by building redundancy into the system. we have to assume that the computers will constantly be going down that you'll constantly be suffering small problems like this so that when it happens, it doesn't take

three hours for the new york stock exchange to come back online. and that's because you have so many backups in place. we are very, very reliant so build resilience and redundancy first. >> but if you're reliant on other computers to save you from the first row of computers, doesn't that just sort of kick the can down the road that eventually you will have that problem? >> right. eventually you meet arnold schwarzenegger in a dark alley. >> touche. >> to your point, though patrick, you can kind of see that in the way that these two glitches played out. united had no workaround they had to have flights completely grounded until they could figure out the problem. and new york stock exchange while floor trading was halted there were other ways to trade stocks because of redundancyies. so they had a workaround which speaks to your point. >> right. exactly. now, when you talk about the

airline sector, nothing happen that had would this anyway affect the mechanical situation with the planes. or the navigation for that matter. all of that communication happens on completely separate and secure networks. but when you talk about the reservation system and apparently we're looking at some route their connects to the reservation system you're looking at something that is much more open. no one has said that they expect any sort of deliberate attack but airline reservation systems are a frequent subject of different types of cyber attacks because you can mess with them to potentially get free fares or reduced fares. it's a huge and open attack different from navigation systems and flight controls that are separated from the rest of the internet. reservation systems are completely open. they have to be. so you can build protections in to them, but you have to expect a ton of attacks happening all the time. in this instance with the new york stock exchange, what it may have been is a repeat of something that happened in 2010

at the so-called flash crash. now, what happened there talking to the point about reliance on computers, a bunch of different extremely sophisticated software algorithms, each competing with one another for a little tiny advantage began operating in concert, sort of a chain reaction of bad choices that the computers were making far faster than human beings could keep up. and what you saw was 1,000 point drop in about 36 minutes. now, we've recovered from that we understand why that happened. and there may have been some human involvement, but it wasn't a hack so much as a particular trader who was developing algorithms to spoof the system and try to gain just a little bit of money. so the difference between a hack, a breach a big and enormous like breakthrough and a little spoof a little scam that's what we saw today. the truth is somewhere perhaps in the middle of those things. if there is any human involvement. >> patrick, i think everything that happened today is a

reminder to all of us just how quickly the world has changed in just two years in terms of the challenges that we face ahead with cyber security. these were not sish attackcyber attack, but just a reminder that it is a possibility down the road. james comey talked about this new world this we're living in how important it is that we're prepared. and he warned that preventing law enforcement authorities from having access to encrypted communications he said would make it easier for sympathizers of isis to carry out an attack here in the united states. what is your reaction to that statement? are stronger endescriptioncryptions, does that make us stronger as a country? >> what we're seeing today is that our ideas about safety are kind of in conflict. if you talk to the technology community, they will tell that you stronger encryption and stronger end to end user encryption helps keep passwords safe, that is what helps keep

files with personal information out of the open internet. that's what keeps hackers from being able to use that to find exploits in systems. end to end user encryption is one of the best defenses that we have against huge cyber breaches. but if you're speaking from a law enforcement perspective, you want to be able to look into communications of groups like isis, then you don't want those encryptions. so what this really shows is that we at this moment we haven't figured out which threat we want to address yet and these two law enforcement objectives they're in conflict. >> all right. patrick tucker, thank you very much for your time. folk at the peptntagon are hoping to learn something from today's scare. more on that next. but first, fresh reaction from the floor of the new york stock exchange. >> i think that we really need to reevaluate our entire system to begin with, our financial system, our monetary system. it's not working for the majority of people to begin with. >> certainly the country can trust the system. long term, you know, i don't

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welcome back to the cycle where we are now about ten minutes from the close of are markets today. of course new york stock exchange just reopened just after 3:10 so shortened trading did day on the floor. stocks are down, but that is not expected to be related to the outage that we saw at the new york stock exchange. turning now to how prepared areour military would be we're reminded that after a cyber

attack targeted personal files of troops and the federal government employees, the u.s. military homeland security and private companies already held a three week cyber war game this summer to test out simulated attacks. let's bring in lieutenant colonel anthony schaefer. nice to have you with us tony. >> thanks for having me. >> again, to reiterate, the glitches today, not hacks to the extent we know. not terrorism related. but are there enemies around the world looking at how unsettling these glitches were for us and saying maybe that is something we should try to accomplish ourselves? >> they already have. and that is one of the things he was talking about. this is an operational glitch. but they are going look for other operational glitches to

take advantage o of that. i was running a cyber unit and we were watching the chinese essentially recruit kids in canada and they were passing technical bulletins from the defense information system who basically identified the fact they had vulnerabilities. they would give them to these kids and they would go in and do hacks. they were very brilliant in this. the chinese have not given up. so we have been to be very vigilant to understand any situation like this becomes a huge opportunity. >> so clearly the military has already been thinking about what crystal has been talking about. three weeks f cyber war games. i think you are a part of that. i want to hear what they were doing and what they learned. >> two things. first we have to understand the legality of the system so we can act within the necessary laws and regulations. secondly, more importantly, we have to figure how to actually protect those domains which are

important. one of the things about the military is it has systems everywhere. as much as they have protected systems fully protected. you have to find a way to communicate with those who are not encrypted. and that is a huge vulnerability. that is a great focus we had. is how does the military, the army and all of dod function within a larger unqualified internet and then sustain themselves through something like this? it is no easy thing because we have to deal with the real world. we cannot encrypt everything. if you encrypt everything you can't communicate. there has to be a happy medium. and we're trying to seek that. >> you think about the industries that are vulnerable. i think about the water treatment plants electrical grid, money supply. if anything were to impact any of those it would ripple out. and e it rereminds me of the

military and how much they rely on the stielt systems and computer systems and if something were to happen there, what would the implications be there. >> a few years ago there was an exercise called moonlight mays. during the exercise they tried to highlight all those things. one of the most glaring failures we recognized we had to fix was blood supply. they penetrated a dod computer system which controlled information, only information not the physical supply of blood. they contaminated the data making the entire blood supply unusable unavailable to dod. so it wasn't the airplanes couldn't fly. it wasn't they weren't ready, it's the system that controlled it was down. satellites, u.s. of emt against us. these are all things that are real and we must take seriously. otherwise we could suffer a

krafk failure in dod just like in wall street today which could bring down dod o day or two. >> just inconveniences for folks today. and dhs secretary jay johnson may interesting comments today about cyber security and compared the tradeoff between freedom and security that we think of in terms of our national security typically. we compared that to cyber security. a tradeoff between how secure we are and the freedoms we enjoy. speak to that. >> absolutely. we all recognize there is a first amendment, fourth amendment, all of these amendments which protect freedom of speech and our activities. there is a certain level of ined a a inadvertent. there knees to be a clear parsing of the american citizens and vulnerabilities. hackers will look at euro own

information and try to figure out a way to use that to penetrate other systems. the target hack it was penetrated by a contractor that had contracts with them regarding certain functions. so we could be an inadvertent dupe to a larger system. it's clear we have to look at the individual level and the macro level. another thing -- >> tony. is the military prepared for a cyber attack? quickly. >> yes. but not necessarily all cyber attacks. it is one of those things where you prepare what you think the threat is going to be. you can't protect every single vector. that is something we all work on. we have teams looking at it and obviously we're doing conferences to go through and try to figure out as best we can with the private sector, government sector and military. we all have to work together. >> and once you become prepared for a certain kind of cyber attack then the people who would want to do us harm overseas are always working on how they can get ahead of the curve on that.

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