g his rivals. the donald sat town the nbc for a ram bunkicious sometimes rambling but utterly compelling conversation. one we'll now play for your in entirety. >> why are we here in new york? why aren't wii on the campaign trail. >> i've been to iowa many times. love the people there. we've had tremendous success. and tremendous crowds. nobody get as many standing ovations and it. spend a lot of time out. i was in south carolina recently. and we're all over. i'm going to this weekend i'll be with clint eastwood in california. a tremendous group of people. i'm going to arizona this weekend. i'll be all over the place. >> one of the only people who didn't campaign over the fourth of july weekend. no campaign events planned for this week. you are not campaigning that much. how can anybody take you seriously if you are not out there showing your face. >> because i'm doing television with you and i am up there a lot

and i'm up there walking the streets and i was getting more news coverage because i'm the one who brought up the whole mess and what the mexican government is doing to us. i didn't have to be. and i just decided probably it wasn't necessary. i'm going up fully nextactually next week and i'll be in iowa and new hampshire many many times. >> yesterday there was news from the washington post about your hotel site in d.c. there are a lot of immigrants working on that including some who say they are not legally here. >> they didn't say that. it really doesn't say that. in fact the writer was very surprised. that they weren't able to find anybody. we have a very strong system. i have a contractor that is one of the biggest in the nation. they are doing it. so far they are doing a very good job. they have a very strong verification system. and the whole story was about,

you know, they thought they were going to find people and they weren't able to find -- >> they did find some people who said they were undocumented. >> they certainly didn't write them down and write their names and we're very strong on that. and with nearly 11.1 illegal immigrants in the country it is pretty hard to be in a position where you actually can't find anybody. that's going to be a fantastic job. it was there 30 years, a vacant fantastic situation. i took it over. and we're going to have one of the best hotels in the world. we're very proud of it. >> are you also concerned of the people working for you to put these up? but of the workers told the washington post do you think we're hanging out of the 8th floor window and raping or -- do you have a reaction to that. >> i was totally misquoted. i could give you copy of the speech. i was so misquoted that it is incredible. i'm talking about the mexican

government forces many bad people into our country. because they are smart. they are smarter than our leaders and their negotiators are far better than what we have. to a degree that you wouldn't believe. they are forcing people into our country. this guy that killed a wonderful young woman from san francisco, he went back to mexico. they forced him out. they forced people into our country. and they are drug dealers and they are criminals of all kind. we are taking mexico's problems. mexico is beating us on trade. and they are beating us at the border. but mexico doesn't want these people, so what do they do? they send them to our stupid politicians and we have sanctuary cities and all of this nonsense nonsense. i've been saying this for a long time and it's a disgrace. and frankly if i didn't bring it up you wouldn't even be talking about immigration right now. >> when was the last time you were at the border.

>> i've been to the border probably three or four times over the years. and i'm going to arizona this weekend. and some say i'm the most popular person in arizona was a of my stance. >> when was the last time you were there. >> probably three years ago. >> if you haven't been there in three years how do you know it is such a problem? >> it was bad then and it's worse now. it was terrible then. and it's worse now. worse now than it's ever been. we don't even have a border. people are just flowing through like water. there is no border right now. >> the murder rate in el paso texas on the border is the lowest for any of the big cities in the country. >> okay. look don't try and convince me that there's no crime. that it's wonderful. the people being forced in, and these just aren't mexican people. they are forcing them into our country and we're taking they will and putting them in our jails and hospitals and we're paying them money through different sources. it is a disgrace.

don't tell me about safety. are you trying to justify safety of the border. >> we have a lower incarceration rate for mexican immigrants and illegal immigrants than for u.s. born citizens. >> go check your numbers it is a wrong statistic. check your numbers. it sounds good. check your numbers. by the way i have great relationship with the mexican people. i have many people working for me. look at the job in washington. many legal immigrants. they love me. i love them. and if i get the nomination, i will win the latino vote because i'm going to create jobs. hillary clinton is not going to be able to create jobs. i will tell you right now. neither is jeb bush. i will create jobs and the latinos will have jobs they don't have right now. and i will win that vote. i'll do better with that vote than anybody. and i have thousands of them working for me at different polices all over the country.

i will win that vote. >> why should people believe your numbers when you come out here and say they are committing crimes and in our jails and murdering us and taking our jobs? a few years ago you let the movement to send investigators out to hawaii to find out whether or not obama was not born here. and it turned out to be not true. >> he released his birth certificate. >> i don't care. it is an old subject. i'm about jobs. i'm about security. i'm about taking care of our vets. i'm about things that you don't have to bring up old subjects. whether he did or not. who knows. a lot of people don't agree with you on that by the way. but i'm about economic development and jobs. and that's what we have to start talking about. and about beating isis and not actic like a bunch of babies like we are right now. >> do you have a plan? i do. >> what is it? >> i would knock the hell out of oil areas.

they took over a hotel and renovating a hotel in iraq. renovating a hotel in another location. they have nothing but money it is coming out of their ears and they are getting their money from oil. number one, i said you shouldn't go into iraq because you are going to destabilize the mideast. that is what happened. and once you are in if you are leaving, keep the oil. isis has the oil and iran has the oil. if they would have listened to me and i was very strong. the bush people sent people to my office because they didn't want me to say what i was saying. and i'm more into the military by the way than anybody but you have to know when and where to use the military. we made a tremendous mistake. $2 trillion. thousands of lives, wounded warriors, all over the place -- who i love by the way. all over the place. and what do we have? we're not even there anymore. and iran is taking over iraq. they are meeting right now. we got nothing for it.

zero. and it is really a sad situation. with isis you kill them at the head. you take the oil. that is where they are getting their money. if you bomb the hell out of it you bomb the hell out of the it. you have to stop the wealth. >> what about civilians. >> i'm talking about oil. >> civilians are near oil areas. >> oh give me a break katie. next question. >> a lot of people are killed by gun violence in this country. what would you know about that. >> a lot of people are killed by guns but i'm a big second amendment person. in the prison escape in new york people that were against guns said thank god we have guns. i ren in television a woman always fighting with my husband. he wanted guns. and i would fight him. now we have a gun in every drawer and a gun on every table in case these guys broke into the house. i'm a second amendment person. >> what about people who walk into schools and shoot people.

>> these are sick people. very very sick people. they will be able to get something somewhere. >> are you not more concerned about them. >> sure. i'm concerned about everything. i'm concerned about everything. our country is going to he. occur country is being beating at every front. we're being beaten militarily. we have a military that every time we send equipment to our so called allies one bullet is not air and they -- we lost 2,300 armor plated humvees. not three or four or seven. we lost 2,000 in one day. 2,300 humvees. i said that is impossible. how can you lose that many? a bullet gets fired into the air and the people we're giving these humvees to they run like band its. and the enemy takes them over. the enemy has better equipment

than we have because we're foolish. >> do you have a gun? >> i'm licensed to have a gun, yes i do. >> do you own one? >> yes i do. >> do you use it? gun range. >> it's none of your business. it's really none of your business. i have a license to have a gun. >> gun cole? >> what are you asking me about. >> yes i have a gun and yes i have a permit to have a gun. >> stronger background checks. what about that? is there any steps. >> i would look into it -- >> to -- >> the problem is once you get into that you start get into a situation, the slippery slope where all of a sudden you are going to really violate the second amendment. i don't want to do anything to violate the second amendment. to me the second amendment is very important. >> i want to talk about what some of the republicans have been saying about you just this week. very divisive for the party. charles growth hammer has called you a rodeo clown. >> he realistreally dislikes me personally. i never met him.

but he wanted to go into iraq and wanted to stay there forever. these are over rated people. by the way are you going to mention the ones that do like trump? you don't do that do you? >> goldberg say a failed man who mistook flattery for insight. >> i went to the best school great marks, everything else. i went out i made a fortune, a big fortune, a tremendous fortune. bigger than people even understand. i have a book called "the art of the deal." oi do the ae presents.pprentice. and nbc is angry because they renewed the apprentice and i wouldn't do it. and that is one of the reasons that nbc so angry at me. and then i get called by a guy that can't buy a pair of pants i get called names. give me a break. >> so you will release your financials on time.

>> yeah. excuse me. i'm allowed 45 day extension and another 45 day extension. i don't expect to be using them. i should be filing. they are very complicated. you know these papers weren't meant for me because of the complexity and the bigness of what i have. but we should be releasing them ahead of schedule. >> where do you get your money from? >> i made it the old fashion way, in real estate. i made -- and a lot of money doing everything idid. i made a lot of money in the with apprentice n real estate. everything i did. i've had great success. coming up a growing number of companies have backed away from trump since his comments about mexican immigrants but is the donald worried? staying in rhythm... it's how i try to live... how i stay active. so i need nutrition... that won't weigh me down. for the nutrition you want without the calories you don't... introducing boost 100 calories.

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here is more of the full trump interview with nbc. >> what about the companies that have backed away from you? nine by our count, if you want to count new york contract, ten. are you concerned that you are going to lose so much business this is not worth it? >> no i'm not concerned. let pe tell you, if it weren't for immigration, okay you wouldn't even be hearing about immigration if it were about for donald trump. illegal immigration, i brought the whole subject up. your friends at fox gave me credit for that the other day. if it wasn't finish donald trump we wouldn't even be talking about illegal immigration or even immigration right now. and then the horrible tragedy in san francisco with a young woman

who was shot with a person who should have never been here. this is two important. yeah i'm losing some contracts. who cares. people who are weak and want to be politically correct. some have already apologized to me they made a mistake. and you know what? that's fine. my company is a very mass and rich. but it doesn't matter. even if it was a huge amount of money i would still do this. when people run doctor-- as an example when these different people are running for president, they don't lose anything. a politician doesn't lose anything when he or she runs. they run, they lose, they win. they don't lose anything. when i run, as a successful person, i lose a tremendous amount. the kind of money that i lose on all of these deals that you are reading about. now a lot of them are blown out of proportion. like espn. oh -- do you know what it was? it was an evening in a ballroom. that is already replaced.

they have nascar left. that was another thing. i guess espn was a little golf tournament. nascar was a ballroom a banquet but they make it like a tremendous deal. >> if it's hurting you why do it? >> the press is very very dishonest and i think people are wise to the press. >> if it's hurting you why do you do it? >> because i want to make america great again. honestly the country is in trouble. we owe 18 trillion going to up the 21 trillion very soon. then we are greece on steroids. we are a large scale version. i want to make our country great again. we have the potential to have that great spirit that we we once had. we don't have it anymore. our country is a mess. whether it's illegal immigration, whether it is our military, whether it is the way we take care of our vets, our country is a mess. >> george will said you could withbe a democratic operative.

>> george is another one. he's never forgiven me for the fact i didn't show up to his speech. i listen to the people. i get the biggest crowds. i get the biggest standing ovations and i guess you see it in the poll numbers. and i don't even care about it. look, maybe i'm wasting my time doing this and it costs me money. the big money is the opportunity. because while i'm wasting my time talking to you, which is essentially one sided but that is fine. but while i'm wasting time talking to you i could be doing deals. so losing out on hundreds of millions of dollars. nobody else loses when they run for office. a politician doesn't lose. but i do lose. just to answer the question i'm running because i want to make our country great again. >> republicans say that you are hurting the party. do you think you are hurting the party? if you divide them so severely will you be able to get the nomination and then become president? >> on fox they said i did a

great service because i'm the one who brought up the whole discussion on immigration and i think i'm helping the party greatly. and i actually think if you look at mitt romney who was a great disappoint because he ran a terrible campaign and totally choked in the last month. something happened but he choked. pure and simple. if you look at him many of the conservative republicans just stayed home. they stayed home and didn't even vote. if they got out and voted he would have won. but you had a lot of republicans and conservative republicans stay home because they weren't energized. >> the latino vote -- >> let me tell you something. i'm going win that vote because i'm going to put them to work. i'll take jobs back from china. they're making millions and millions of cars. what do we get. we send very little to japan. i'll take jobs back from mexico. mexico is going to be the car capital of the world the way they are going. ford is now building a $2.5

billion plant in mexico. they are going to sell cars in the united states and parts and trucks in the united states. excuse me, how does that help us? in tennessee they just lost plant that was going to be built in tennessee. it went to mexico. so mexico is going to take care of their people because as i said before their leaders are smarter than our leaders, and their negotiators are far better. and that will never happen if i'm president. >> you have 17% of the population that is latino. a lot of them say they are very offended by what you are saying was a misquote from yours. >> it was a purpose misquote. >> do you want to apologize. >> no there is nothing to apologize for. there is nothing to apologize for. read my statement. my statement is referring to mexico and they are pushing a lot of bad people into our country and we're taking care of a lot of criminals that shouldn't be in our country. and you saw that the other day in san francisco. we're taking care of these people. when people read my quote they

say oh, you know it is sort of interesting. i made my presidential announcement right here in this building. i made it. everybody gave me great reviews. some great reviews. some good reviews. it isn't until a week later people started criticizing that one statement. and i'm referring to mexico. i have great respect for the country of mexico. i love the mexican people and their spirit. but the country of mexico is killing us. the country of mexico is taking our jobs. they are killing us at the border. they are taking advantage of the fact that we have stupid negotiators. we have very stupid people this our country negotiating for us and we have leaders that don't know what they are doing. i respect that. i'm not angry at mexico. i'm angry at our leadership for not putting our right people to negotiate deals. >> why wouldn't you keep your manufacturing here? your ties your suits. >> because china so manipulates their currency that it is very hard to find companies that can

do business in the united states. >> you are a billionaire why would you not move it here for having it in america. >> excuse me. excuse me. because i'm a businessman. and let mel tell youing the. and it's interesting. you are not bringing up anything new. you are acting like you are the great reporter. blah blah blah. every speech they talk about, i always hate that i have to have my ties made in china. and do you know why? china manipulates their currency to such a degree. they just manipulated it again two weeks. i never thought i'd see it so fast. again and again, they are taking our jobs. they are taking our manufacturing. they are destroying us. and by the way we are rebuilding china. and then do you know what they do? they loan us back the money. we owe $1.4 trillion to china. they take our jobs and take our manufacturing and then give us money and we have to pay them interest. >> how do you change it? >> i take the jobs back from

china. take the jobs bag from japan. charge saudi arabia. saudi arabia makes a billion dollars a day. and if you think people were after yemen. they are not after yemen. they are after the oil in saudi arabia. this was the country that barack obama said oh wow we had a great victory in yemen. it's all over. great victory, right? a week later it totally blew up in his face. that border is a long border right along saudi arabia. look at what happens, just like i predicted what was going to happen in iraq and all these other candidates i'm running -- they are scooting. look at someone like jeb bush. it took him five day, five days to give a proper answer on iraq. he was changing his answer every day. how is somebody like that going to negotiate. >> international diplomacy is a delicate thing. you have to watch what you say and how can anybody expect that you are going to be able to get in to the white house and watch your mouth when you were so

widely panned for these mexico comments? how are you going to be able to hold your tongue and not piss off other countries? >> do you want to change the word? are you allowed to use that word on television? >> and not anger other countries. >> i will tell you this. i've made a lot of money against china. i've made a lot of money in all of these countries. i have great relationships with the countries. if you take a look in what's going on in terms of relationship with the united states, everybody hates us. hillary clinton was the worst secretary of state in the history of united states. hillary was the worst. in the history of the united states there's never been a sect state so bad as hillary. the world blew up around us. we lost everything, including all relationships. there wasn't one good thing that came out of that administration or her being secretary of state. i have great relationships. if you look at business week magazine, they did a story on the 10 things that china most

wants. one of the ten things anything trump. anything trump. and i'm the toughest critic there is on china. people have to respect you. china, mexico. we don't have a good relationship with mexico. look at sergeant tamarisi. he goes over there. they put them in jail. finally he came out long after he should have been out. it was a disgrace. >> what do you think of hillary clinton as a president? if he wins the nomination and takes the white house? >> i think hillary will be a terrible president. she was the worst secretary of state in the history of our nation. why would she be a good president? i think she would be a terrible president. >> she says you are too divisive on immigration t republican part is. >> i may be divisive on im immigration but she's weak on immigration which is far worse. hillary would let everybody come in. killers, criminals, drug

dealers. if you listen to hillary everything is going to be flowing through the nation. they are sort of now anyway. but if you listen to hillary, she is so weak on immigration we'll have a crime wave like you have never seen before. >> immigration is down. why is this a big topic right noul. >> immigration is a big topic. look at all the crime being committed. >> the research says the crime does not match what you're saying. >> depends on what says it. >> the pure research. >> don't be naive. you are a very naive person. >> the pure research says that there are for -- immigrants on the whole. >> come on. try getting it out. >> i'll get it out. >> i don't know if you are going to put this on television but you don't even know what you're talking about. try getting it out. go ahead. >> immigrants commit less crime than u.s. bornen citizens. >> number one, i disagree. number two whether it's true or not. illegal immigrants. i'm talking about illegal immigrants. i'm not talking about

immigrants. i'm illegal. i'm an immigrant. you're an immigrant. i'm talking about illegal imgrants are causing tremendous crime. tremendous crime. and nobody wants to talk about. and that's why fox. fox, at least fox are now talking about it. and if i didn't bring up the subject a number of weeks ago we wouldn't even be talking about illegal immigration right now. >> if you found out you had an illegal immigrant working for you and they were a hard worker how would you treat them? >> i think that i would treat them probably yet i'd have to tell them they have to go back. >> what if they were supporting their family. >> i'd probably say you have to go back. do i like do doing that? no. i have a heart. but i would probably tell them you have to go back. look, we have anywhere from 11 to 31 million. our country doesn't even know.

the statistics are from 11 to 31 million illegal immigrants in our country. we don't even know. okay? we don't even know. nobody is able to tell me the number. used to be 11. now they think it is 31 million. it is a very sad situation. but you have to create a strong border. and if i didn't bring this up, we wouldn't even be talking -- it wouldn't be a subject. >> who pays for that wall? >> mexico. >> how do you get mexico to pay for that? only. >> only if i'm president. because mexico is making a fortune off the united states. believe me they will pay for the wall. and i watch all these pundits that don't have brains, oh trump can't get them. you have to be able to negotiate. mexico is making a fortune of the united states. in addition to sending a lot of people here that forcing -- forcing. and i'm talking about they are bad people. again i love the mexican people. i love their spirit. many of them work for me right

now. i respect mexico. but the leaders and negotiators are too smart for our leaders and negotiators. >> how high would the wall be? >> i will make that wall impenetrable impenetrable. you don't have to worry about how high it will be. and mexico will pay for that wall. >> so you say you are drawing these big crowds. i was there, you drew a big crowd in new hampshire. >> excuse me everything the way you say is so negative. i'm not saying i'm drawing you're saying i'm drawing. >> why do people respond to you so much -- why are they responding to you so much? >> because i tell the truth. i say what's happening. i made a tremendous fortune. and that is the mentality we need in this country. jeb bush will never take us to the promised land. hillary will never take it to the promised land. jeb will be very poor as the president. no rj inenergy.

we need someone who can make great deals with china, japan, mexico. we somebody who really understands and cherishs the military. i actually think i'll be the jobs president but i think aisle be actually even better in terms of the military. i will create military where nobody is going to mess around with the united states. >> do you think it is just name recognition? >> no i think it's the fact that i say things that people agree with. >> more people than maybe we expect to agree with you? or the establishment might expect? >> people like what i say. they agree with what i say. i have had tremendous success. if i didn't have the success i think wouldn't be the same thing. i've had tremendous success, they understand that and they respect me and what i'm telling -- i don't need this. i don't need this. what i'm doing is for the country. i want to make america great again. we have a last shot at make -- if we keep going the way it is going america is going to be permanently scarred.

>> thank you. >> joining me now bloomburg view columnist megan mccardinal, nbc news score respondent katy turfr who performed that interview. katie, i go to you first. that really was entertaining unbelievable, defiant. so many adjectives to use. trump does not seem cowed at all by the events of the last two weeks. >> no he seems like he has more drive than ever to stay in this race and keep going. he doesn't think that he said anything wrong. he is is not apologizing and you get the sense he doesn't understand why people are taking this as badly as they are taking it. he says he's been misquoted that he was talking about illegal immigrants coming through the border. not just immigrants that are coming here illegally. so he is having a hard time understanding why everybody could be so upset about this.

>> you know chuck, the story continues and this extends its life that much longer. you have to wonder how republicans -- whether their response tomorrow will be different than it has been in days since. >> i've talked to a bunch of campaigns. talked to a bunch of operatives connecting to the leadership of the republican party. there's universal agreement he's causing damage. not agreement how to deal with it. go after him too hard and it could give him more fuel. look he is channelling a group of people that feel e grieved that this country is not looking out for him anymore. and people that haven't built the middle class like they thought they were going to have. and the immigrant populations are the first you blame sometimes if you feel life isn't going well for you. so he's channelling that anger. what's amazing is this to me is a product of someone who only is listening to what they want to hear. >> yes. >> and this is what happened --

and you can do this now in the digital world, really live in your own bubble. and he repeats any statistic somebody tweets him. like this 31 million is out of nowhere. >> and ignores statistics katie cited. >> any statistic done by a conspiracy theorist he wis s buys in. and any based on fact and research he questions. and look it's all gut. that is what he's doing and he feels as if he's channelling the angry man or woman of america who feels as if the country has left them behind. and there is those group of voters out there but this is obviously hurting the republican brand. it just is. >> chairman steele do you think anybody can control the donald? >> oh hell no. that's not going to happen. to be blunt, no. this is a self-made man. a man who has now stepped into the world of politics and brings a lot of that attitude with him. you know we do tea parties and

we do nice events. and we do things like that. donald trump comes in. he is the bull in the china shop. he is the guy who wants to make the point and to chuck's point he is absolutely right. that donald has struck a cord. he's tapped into a vein from the guy who's sitting there on the forklift to the mom hustling with the kids at home or trying to get the business off the ground. that frustration that is built up with them is palpable. and he's had a -- found a way to articulate that and much to the consternation of the gop. and certainly the test is going to be tomorrow you're right, when the microphones show up and they are asking about donald trump how the presidential candidates begin to respond. >> and the "new york times" suggests -- you know, in the words of the ram emmanuel. effectively trump represents an

opportunity that specifically on the issue of immigration people candidates like jeb bush can come out and vehemently distance themselves from bush and by giving his rivals a perfect foil he also gives them a perfect chance to rehabilitate and redeem the party. >> i think that's true in a sense. like you have now got the lunatic. so hey i'm not the lunaticic, look i'm really very moderate. you would like me. but the problem with the lunatic is that he is sucking the media oxygen up from every candidate whose not marco rubio or jeb bush. and that means for the second tier candidates who for the republican party might be the person they want out there. nobody can get air time because everyone is following donald trump saying crazier and crazier things and i think that really does hurt the republican party as well as a point made earlier

is that the total insanity of it makes it look like there are no grown ups in the room. >> right. >> again, it goes back to i understand it. the party has a trust problem. washington has a trust problem with the base of the republican party. so let's say -- let's throw out the idea of speaker boehner and mitch mcconnell. right now the two highest ranking republicans in washington. coming out and condemning trump, his poll numbers will go up and not down. >> it's donald against the world. >> if previewis came out and did -- and there were some campaigns that wish he would. but then i'll say, and if he did what do you think the reaction would be? donald would beat up and it would put the chairman of the republican party. and, you know, this is the challenge that trump presents. i think it is a potential leadership moment. rick perry is struggling to get out of the second tier. so he's embracing the idea of bashing trump because it is kind of unexpected. you might think oh perry is from

the conservative wing but rick perry has also been a governor of texas and knows the difference know what is mexican immigration really is. >> let's play. i think we have that perry cut of him responding. >> i also know that your comments about mexicans are offensive. and they don't reflect the values of the republican party. your remarks might make for good reality tv. but they are way out of touch with reality. >> chairman steele is that a good response? is that effective? can he say that tomorrow? is that enough? >> i don't know if it's enough but it is a good response and i think you are going to need to have more of that in your quiver when you stand on that stage on august 6th with donald trump, you know, two or three steps away from you. so i think it is a space that can be occupied by some maybe not all of the candidates. but someone like a rick perry who has been a governor who's been in the crucible of what

this could mean to political ambitions and all that. knows how this plays out. yes. he can find that space in which he can distance himself, be the leader and really kind of rehabilitate the party if you will. but i think i want to go back to something chuck said and i take a little exception. i think -- can play a very interesting role here at the chairman. he can be the deflector and draw trump into a different kind of conversation away from the main stage, if you will. and there are risks there and i don't know if anybody inside is willing to take that risk. but if you are staying on the trajectory you are now. this doesn't diminish. it just gets bigger. and you have to figure a way to deflect that target away from your candidates and on to something else. >> katie, the other person that donald trump spent some time focusing his visit roll on is

hillary clinton. >> he seemed to be supportive of her then in 2012 and contributed to her campaign here in new york and then to come out and be so different on his emotions and feelings and say she's the worst secretary of state ever in history is quite a turn around for just a few years. >> but he only knows superlatives. >> either the best or the worst. >> there is no middle ground. >> the land of extremes. >> and i think you quoted i can't remember which conservative writer suggesting that donald trump was a democratic plant. >> george will. >> george will. >> because he would be acting the exact same way if he was a democratic plant. this is what he would be doing. trying to divide the party. out there sucking the air time. and saying wild things and forcing everybody to respond to him and to change the subject and to keep it in a area for lack of better word.

and, you know, when i asked about that he seemed to get pretty upset frankly. >> yeah. he just took out each and every one of those conservative commentators. >> for those who make it their jobs to analyze the political landscape. where do you put donald trump here? >> la la land. >> once in la la land and at the same time is becoming sort of a gravitational pull for the right wing of the party. >> his space is the same space the reality television show is in. it's populism whatever he thinks is going to drive the ratings for his campaign he believes right now he is the best and moez amazeing runner you've ever seen. >> i think feel like if vincent

mcmahan had run or don kink. he speaks like a promoter. >> and what people like about him. >> and chris matthew has a great description to. a cartoon quality about him, comic book quality about him. and i understand there is a part of the country that wants a super hero to fix all of these problems and wants it like -- and, you know, it's all science fiction and fiction and nobody screams fiction. that is sort of like what this is getting at. but he is like combining all of that into one thing. and i do feel like this is he is going to burn himself out. is it before labor day or after. >> in the meantime we'll continue to play that sound because it is if nothing else highly entertaining. always good to see all of you. thank you for your time. >> coming up. we are following breaking news out of baltimore where mayor stephanie rollings blake has

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we have breaking news out of baltimore. police chief anthony batts has been dismissed by mayor stephanie rawlings blake. the decision one kay after the police union blasted batts' leadership over the death of freddy gray. the city has also seen a sharp increase in violence since the riots with 150 homicides this year alone. and coalition of faith leaders called for batts to step down. joining me now is msnbc's tramaine lee. mayor rawlings blake says due in large part to hien hindsight. >> criticism of the way the police department handled the initial unrest after gray died. and there is sentiment among

some that say perhaps the police have given sensing no real leadership creating this toxic environment. so politically in baltimore, has been charged. and this was going to come sooner rather than later. this wild cocktail of forces tugging in both directions. >> we know the union has issued a report where as we heard is pretty critical of batts' leadership. >> it's been scathing the scathing report earlier that said the unrest was largely avoidable. you have to be careful with the police unions i specially how politicized they have been but when you think about the early days with freddy gray and questions about tactics around high school students the lockdown buses the stand down order, so many tactics criticized that many said led to this. >> to the increase in homicides, is there any thinking that may be because the police have decided to sort of -- i mean you talked about a stand down order. talk to me about --

>> it's always tough. and kind of finding causation is always difficult for spikes in homicide. and given the morale and tone of the police department and we'll find out more about the police union leadership behind the scenes. we don't know yet. it is summer time. you know folks -- >> violence always goes up in the summer time. >> always in baltimore and places across the country. so we don't know at this point but clearly the environment was right for this situation. >> and what can you tell us about the relationship between commissioner batts and stephanie rolls rawlings blake. >> i remember speaking with batts just days after the worst of the up rest and he felt he was in a good position that the city was in good position they were in great position to actually reach out and elevate the city so baltimore emerged even better. you heard that time and again we're going to emerge better but

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today at the new york stock exchange, united airlines and the wall street journal, u.s. officials tell nbc news there is no indication that computer problems were related and no signs it was a cyber attack. they also said the technical issues were not the result of a cyber breech. as trading was halted over three hours on the exchange. president obama was briefed at the white house. the white house, treasury and the fbi are monitoring the situation. joining me now is executive director of recode kara swisher. i'm not sure whether the fact these were not related and not realitied to cyber attacks is more or less comforting. >> you don't know that also. there was a really interesting tweet last night by anonymous saying wall street was going to have a bad day today. so it is kind of odd. they are calling them technical glitches. we'll have to take them at their word but an unusual confluence of events especially at the wall

street and the new york stock exchange. there is lots of technical glitches everywhere and happen every day and shows how reliant we are on the technologies and how fragile they are and how back up systems are not in place to take care of situations like this. >> do you think that once vulnerabilities like this are exposed, there is the work done behind the scenes to ensure these things don't happen again? how much ahead of the ball can we get in this world with technology? >> i don't think t all. i think it is a really difficult thing. and again sometimes you don't know it's cyber attacks for a long time. north korea, the chinese have been in our systems all over the place. our country is in other people's systems. i think these things are very confusing and especially when people are relying on them especially for critical things. there was a report today about our infrastructure and how vulnerable that is to cyber attack. and if you read the thing it is quite disturbing about how

fragile every one of these things and how interconnected they are. and a lot of this was in science fiction if you watch terminator and things like that. but we are highly reliant on technology systems and finance, in healthcare, in airplanes for sure. in now the running of our government. so i think, you know, it is a big question for our government is how we maintain all of these systems and do them in a way that is as safe as possible. but, you know, they are always vulnerable to attack and also to glitches. >> i guess i want to drill down a little into the financial services sector where speed is so much the name of the game and also it is seen as the exotic unknowable world where the devices for trading are sort of unbeknownst to the layman. so one would think this situation is particularly acute over there. >> well yeah absolutely. if you read michael's -- >> michael -- >> -- yeah. flash voice. it's all gained by millisecond. smaller that be that. it's really interesting. it's not the stock exchange we

think of when we think of the stock exchange. that's all symbolic. and these things are done just so quickly and they are so vulnerable to all kinds of things. and that is why, you know, financial industry has been hiring heavily trying to get real tech talent to running these things to give them a slight advantage and also to keep the systems in place. and, you know, again our government is reliant on these things too and there is not enough technical expertise in government to be able to regulate and understand what's going on. >> to that end, ben lawski says quotes phil retinger. we didn't go into full blown panic today but the notion that the new york stock exchange was shut down a couple of hours was cause for great concern. >> right. it is fine when twitter goes out and it doesn't go out that often actually. but these are major systems.

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