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should not have done that. >> support of the 21st century glass steel act. >> remember that term too big to fail. >> a lot of big stories today we begin with an ud on the technical problems that froze wall street and grounded airplanes. united is recovering operations after recovering what they are saying is a router issue. officials called it a the glitch. but it left airplanes struck all across america. and trading in the new york stock exchange ground to a halt at 11:32 eastern. stocks continued to trade on other exchanges. it was an internal technical issue and not as a result of a cyber breech is what they are saying at this point. hours later it reopened, 3:10 eastern. the federal government striking a note of restraint. law enforcement officials say

they have no reason to believe this was a cyber attack. president obama was wreefbriefed and the head of homeland security also spoke out today. >> it appears from what we know that malfunctions at united and the new york stock exchange were not result of a nefarious actor. we know less about the wall street journal at this point. except that their system is back up again, as is the united airline system. >> now these problems with the stock exchange come at the time when regulators have struggled to cope with the transformation of trading from a basically human centric endeavor to one run almost exclusively by computers. you might remember may 2010 where the market plunged nearly a thousand points in minutes and whipped right back up. get out your cell phones. do we rely too much on technology? and yes we are asking you to answer on your smart phone or

technology. you can go to pulse.msnbc.com/ed to vote. let's get to it. from cnbc for folks who aren't day traders, explain what happened and why? >> well ari, as far as we know it is as simple as was described. they had a technological problem that ended up. they thought they had fixed it at in the beginning of the day and at 11:32 it cascaded to an extent that they halted trade. and as you mentioned the same stocks trade on other stock exchanges so they continued to move. the new york stock exchange was shut down until they could find the source of the problem, fix it and have the stock market particularly at the new york stock exchange up and running normally. they say all testimony is itsystems are normal now. they reopened at 3:10 eastern and ended the day.

>> one way to look at this is to say okay if for whatever reason one exchange even one as iconic and symbolic as the new york stock exchange goes down the rest of the market seems to price in that is something they can handle. how many exchanges would have to go down to set off some other side of cascading events? >> these days there are close to 20 separately functioning exchanges in the u.s. whether market-making operations a technical term for dealers who effectively buy and sell securities are from their custodies more or on behalf of customers. so where he a variety of exchanges. the nasdaq is separate from the new york stock exchange. there are independent exchanges now. so this is vastly different from 15, 20 years ago when 85% of all the volume traded on the floor of the big board and there were close to 3,000 on the floor. today the new york stock exchange is about 25% of the volume away as well as trade on the

floor. so you would have to to see more than one exchange go or something like a cyber attack to make people far more nervous than today. >> you mentioned cyber attack and we're about to speak to a former fbi official who can get more detail on that. but in the early period what was the mood when people didn't know, does wall street feel it might be vulnerable to a real cyber hit? >> i think everybody feels that way. talking to ceos and cfos of fortune 500 companies they spend a lot of money protecting their systems. through any kind of hooploop hoels and trying to prevent those are happening. after the problems i was talking this morning on msnbc, it clearly crossed people's mind this could have been some coordinated cyber attack. turned out not to be at least as far as we know. so as a consequence, yes, everyone worries about this. every business in america sees

bad actors in their system whether state sponsored or rogue players or want money or just to disrupt activity they are in there every day and companies are trying to beat them back every single day. including places like the new york stock exchange. >> joining me now sean henry, president of serves crowd strike and former executive assistant director of the fbi with work in cyber. we heard the word glitch a lot today. how do investigators determine between a glitch and something that involves attack? >> investigators working with those who actually have responsibility for administering that network will look for signs there's been some type of incursion. but honestly those administering the network know relatively quickly if it is something internal. in this case we heard a couple of things. there is network connectivity. issues regarding software updates. these networks globally have some fragility.

there are a lot of moving parts and periodically there are things that are going happen to cause those things to go down. not unlike when our electric power goes out because a tree branch hits a line or a generator blows up somewhere. these things happen unfortunately. and we've become so reliant on the technology you can see what that cascading impact is. >> when you say they know does that mean a highly sophisticated potentially state sponsored attack still in operation doesn't have the ability to disguise itself? >> well you have people administering networks on a regular basis. and you have got human beings that may know they pressed the wrong button. or they updated something that should have been updated or didn't test it in a small part of the network prior to deploying it across the broader network. so you will periodically know if there is a human being that is involved in this type of update that results in a technical flaw, some type of a conflict on the network. you will know. if nobody is aware nobody in the administration of that

network has any understanding of what may have happened or why it happened, they will start to look much deeper looking for indicators there's been a compromise indicators of attack or any sign of reconnaissance or malware that's been on the network. >> white house press secretary was asked about this today. it was a big story in washington even as people figured out it wasn't the worst case scenario. listen to him today. >> i can assure you that officials, even on days when these kind of questions are not lingering in the air are very religion vigilant about their need to adapt to an environment in cyber space that is filled with malicious actors. >> i'm sure they are vigilant but there is a lot of evidence that this still isn't being taken as seriously as the threat it may pose. i don't have to tole you that. but the cyber security safety legislation was held up on the hill and didn't get out of final

vote there. fbi director combmy has been pushing deenscription which is not the same as cyber but the same where your former colleagues have been telling places in washington they need to modernize. do you think you are going to get heard more after today? >> it's unfortunate but it takes people being impacted by something before they take it seriously. that is just the way things are. there are a lot of priorities in government and folks focusing on a lot of different issues. this is a serious issue. what we saw today though it appears to be a technical glitch is the type of things adversaries are looking to do and quite frankly have the capability of doing. and if you look across companies where this may have occurred and magnify that by five or ten or a hundred what that impact would be on this country and globally what that would be. i don't know that we're doing enough to identify all the adversaries that we're talking

government to government. to understand what the red lines are for an attack that has a devastating impact on our economy or national security. i don't know that's happening. there are certainly pockets of success but it's not been broadly addressed. >> you mention it's got to happen for people to care. reminded of the reagan maxim. recession if it's someone else's job, a depression if it's your job. steams seems like a glitch fit's someone else's money. more than a glitch if americans start losing money. sean henry, thanks for joining us. >> thanks. >> and remember to answer tonight's question at pulse.msnbc.com/ed. we're going to have the results after the break. now coming up elizabeth warren's latest move in the senate could be a big speed bump for the clinton campaign. we're going to explain that next. a big economic story. and later a shakeup at the baltimore police department. we're going to explain it all trade ahead

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. welcome back to the "ed show." a story that has a lot of people cheering today. an effort to stand up to wall street. an idea kicking around from labor unions to occupy wall street is now getting a big push on capitol hill. a new bill to break up investment banks and reinstate the air law that regulated them. the glass steegal act.

. when congress repealed this original regulation back in 1999 some senators did warn of the consequences. >> the fusing together of the idea of banking, which requires not just safety and soundness to be successful but the perception of safety and soundness. to merge it with inherently risky, speculative activity is in my judgment unwise. we are with this piece of legislation moving towards greater risk. we are almost certainly moving towards substantial new concentration and mergers of the financial services industry. that is almost certainly not in the interest of consumers. i think we will in ten years time look back and say we should not have done that. >> we should not have done that. that is what a lot of people have come to say and many agree

with those warnings. john mccain in fact explains his support for this new bill with a history lesson. since core provisions of the glass steegal act were repealed.-steagall act were repealed. . some capitol hill aids are saying the political winds are shifting towards this kind of political reform. let's be clear it is worth noting a similar proposal didn't even get a floor vote in the last senate. we bring in one of the principal author of this bill. nice so see you senator. tell us what you are trying to do here and why you think it has any chance of passing in an institution that as you know many people feel is run by the banks. >> well first of all i'm glad you played that clip by my

former colleague. the only thing he got wrong in that clip is he said it would take ten years. when actually the 2008 meltdown it was only nine years. his comments were right. no reason you should mix the savings of u.s. consumers with the risky investment of those on wall street. separate those so that we don't have another implosion and cost our economy $14 trillion which is what the dallas fed said that whole implosion cost us. the reason we have a chance now is that consumers are seeing that we passed wall street reform in the congress the dodd-frank bill and they see wall street is up here every day trying to roll it back delay it. stop its implemgs implementation. and the risk of this happening again is very pres present. >> what do you see to folks who believe the problem was more about emergency risk spread out

and including consumers and exotic derivative transactions and other things people didn't understand. that is to say it is not something that would have been prevented by this proposal. >> those are the activities the banks want to pursue. that is different than holding my capital or my neighbor's capital or the savings that we want to invest in a bank. that is not putting them at risk. what americans know today is that they did not get a bail out. so they see wall street with record profits going about their business, continuing the same transactions. and what they see is their kid may not be able to go to college. they may not be able to buy a home. they may not be able to retire when they want to. so the advent of everything that's happened since is not a solution yet for the american people. think they are going to be all ears as ho how wall street is trying to stop the reforms. and what people are really understanding is the complexity of something called the vocal

rule is so complex. and wall street will still be able to beat it. it is better to go back to the bright line we had for decades. >> and then you don't play as much chicken with the regulatory agencies. i want to ask you more broadly on the politics here. john mccain is an interesting person, definitely known as the party leader to have on board. what about a similar type of person on the democratic side? have you spoken with hillary clinton on this? would you like her to endorse your bill? >> i have not spoken to hillary about this particular proposal we've introduced. i will say we got angus king to join on board. what i will say is people should ask secretary clinton on her views. and i expect that she will be tough on this issue, that she will say to wall street that, you know, we're not going to take the same kind of risk that we took in the past.

>> senator maria cantwell as always nice to see you and thanks for joining. >> thank you ari. >> for more on this battle we want to turn to two policy experts with different perspectives. richard farley accomplished wall street lawyer and author of wall street wars. and also dennis ceo of better markets. >> when you hear what senator cantwell said there and her concerns, sounds reasonable. what did she get wrong? >> i was very eager to question she didn't ask which you proposed is what precisely would be prevented under this law and the answer is nothing. you can make a risky loan in the form of a loan or a security. it makes no difference. and if you have too much leverage and not enough diversification and not enough due diligence where you make that loan whether a bond or traditional loan, it doesn't matter one bit. the fact of the matter is you

are not de-risking the system from prohibiting banks from doing both activities when in fact it's cheaper to have the system as it is and great cost savings for that. >> the fundamental flaw in that non analysis is all risks are the same. a tandem trailer down a highway are no air bags with a driver who's drinking poses the same risk as somebody in a prius going 30 miles an hours and a vehicle rated highly safe. not all risks are the same. so the point of the glass-steagall proposal generally is to do two things. one is to eliminate some of the highest risk activities by the biggest too big to fail banks. and the other part of it is to not just eliminate them but to reduce them and to reduce the consequences of failure of this handful of two big to fail banks primarily.

remember there are only 24 banks in the united states today with more than 100 billion dollars in assets. there are 6,500 banks. we're talking about less than 24. and they pose the biggest threat, as we saw in 2008. and as senator cantwell said is going to cause -- and did cause tens of trillions of dollars in damage to american families from coast to coast. and the law is meant to put in place protections between the high-risk behavior of wall street and wallets of hard-working americans on main street. >> first it is nonsense to say that the largest banks are the most risky. in fact historically it's been the smaller banks, poorly managed engaging in risky activities that are not diverse that pose the most risk. we heard ad nauseum about the london whale. all this scare mongering about

how safe the banks are when in fact they are as safe today as in a generation. >> what about when when you want to do this stuff no one is saying it is barred. no one is saying it is criminalized but you have to do it separately. >> it starts with a fallacy that the loans that can be made are less risky than the bonds that can be issued or the investments you can hold in the same securities we're telling you that you can't underwrite. the bill doesn't eliminate risk. it just doesn't. >> of course the bill doesn't eliminate risk. >> eliminate. the bill doesn't reduce risk. >> the goal is not to eliminate risk. there is going to all -- >> i want to bridge further. doesn't reduce risk. >> to suggest the risk in a home loan is the same as when j.p. morgan chase takes $350 million

of taxpayer backed deposits and puts into a -- >> the home loan is riskier. >> let him finish. dennis finish. >> it is farcical to say all risks are the same or that the small community bank with $25 billion in assets is the same as j.p. morgan chase with the 2.5 trillion in assets. there are two basic kinds of banks broadly speaking. a bank that is useful takes composites pools the resources and lends them out for businessss to grow of all sizes. separately there are thesegigantic banks largely on wall street that do a little bit of that but mostly engage in incredibly high risk trading and investment banking. and you are right ari. all the law is saying dodd-frank and the new proposal is saying you can gamble all you want. you can take all the risk all

you want. but ju just can't do it with taxpayer backed money. and can't do it in way that you are going to be bailed out. >> do it with your own darn money. i want to go hillary clinton. you are a wall street lawyer. you work with these folks. do you think they who have been into hillary clinton would see this as a deal breaker, a relationship ender if she endorsed this kind of reform? >> yes. >> do you think she'll do it? >> no i don't think she will. >> dennis? what's interesting ari is the congress and politicians are catching up with the american people. the polls show that a vast majority on a bipartisan basis see wall street as the danger. they see it has not been regulated properly and want it to be so. so what you are seeing is everything from ted cruz to bernie sanders talking about regulating -- [inaudible] -- high risk on wall street. >> he is correct in that. >> and what we really need here

is layers of protection between wall street and main street. structural regulatory and supervisory. >> and that is the big issue. it is a big debate. you can hear me wrapping both of you because you both care a lot. but we are out of time. we'll do this again. it is something to the senator's point that hillary clinton is going to be asked about. thanks for joining us. coming up, a big shakeup in baltimore. reaction to the mayor's big change at the police department and the governor of new york making a move on how the investigations of police-involved shootings work. something that's been covered a lot. . kellogg's special k... made with whole grains and fiber to help a body thrive. ♪ folic acid and vitamin d... to make a body feel this good. start your day with 150 nourishing calories... in a bowl of special k. eat special, feel special. special k red berries,

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here is news folks. today that is happening. new york governor andrew cuomo announcing a new independent system for investigating police shootings of unarmed citizens instead of das is investigate themselves. that will remove the conflict of interest that can exist when prosecutors are asked to investigate the officers they work with every other day on every other prosecution. the debate has ranged from ferguson to baltimore and was huge if new york after officers killed eric garden we are a choke hold and the local prosecutor didn't indict on murder or manslaughter or excessive force. they were indicted on anything. today calling for independent investigations of all police killings regardless of whether the individual is armed. governor cuomo did not initially

embrace it publicly but there were growing calls for action. russell simmons was leading street rallies in fact. and first said back in december that governor cuomo called him to promise an executive order. took another six months but that appears to be what's happened. and now alfonso david has been working intimately on these issues counsel to governor cuomo. tell us about these efforts and what will change in a system that many defended was perfectly adequate to investigate police-involved shootings. >> well the executive order that the governor issued today is a landmark executive order. in that for the first time in the history of the state every da will now have to seed jurisdiction to the attorney general. they will have jurisdiction over

every case where a person is killed by a law enforcement officer or there are substantial questions as to whether or not that individual was armed or dangerous at the time of death. certainly we've never had a an executive order that applies to this issue. the governor feels passionately it is important to instill public trust in the criminal justice system. and so he felt that it was important to pass and sign this executive order. >> alfonso, do you think there will be more prosecutions because of this? and why does it expire after one year if it is such a good idea? >> well i think it is too hard to tell at this point. and somewhat premature to determine whether or not we'll have more or less prosecutions. one of the principle issues i think the governor was focused on is addressing the public

perception that there is lack of trust in the criminal justice system. with respect to the time frame the governor is hoping that new york legislature will pass comprehensive criminal justice reform legislation next year. and in the interim he's signed an executive order to allow those cases to be handled by an independent special prosecutor. but the governor hopes that in the state at some point, within the next year we will have comprehensive legislation that addresses the issue. >> so if they don't pass that do you have him renew it automatically? >> yes the governor had said that the executive order will be renewed if we do not achieve comprehensive criminal justice reform in the state. and of course over the next few months before the legislature comes back into session, this executive order will go into effect. so if there are any cases that transpire over the next few months. in niagara county in buffalo,

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breaking news this evening on policing in baltimore. moments ago baltimore mayor announced she is firing police commissioner anthony batts. >> it is clear that the focus has been too much on the

leadership of the department and not enough on the crime fight. >> this is obviously big news. now for baltimore what it means immediately is deputy police commissioner devon davis will become the interim police commissioner. batts was in charge during all the recent unrest in baltimore over the death of freddy gray who died in police custody. joining me now is tramaine lee, who has covered this a great deal. your thoughts on this big change? >> it hard to imagine a scenario under the current circumstances with the homicide rate surging coming off the heels of the unrest after the killing of gray that a head wouldn't fall at some point. now it is interesting timing the police the scathing report that the police department actually hindered itself and could have helped prevent some of the unrest and looting in wake of the killing. but also as community groups are

rising in anger because of the blood being spilled in the streets. i think in the first six months homicides are up 40 plus%. at some point something was going to give. obviously the police union had bln undermining the administration. whether it's pressure from internal or police or community, something had to give. >> a lot of these issues look different depending when you start the clock. if you start the clock the moment of street riots you say well look people are making threats. people are making violence, people are making a bad situation worse and it's certainly true. if you start a year or ten back and look at the rates of stopping and frisking of innocent people and people never charged on anything and the police brutality cases which we all covered at the time t frequency with which force was used against these individual the frequency even used settled

these cases. >> baltimore had issues that go beyond 2012. but i this i we're still in this kind of shadow of the ferguson effect. we saw ferguson the response to protest. so certainly city leaders and even the police and mayor didn't want to be overly dwresz i. the optics could have been terrible for them to respond in a manner anywhere near what it looked like in ferguson. but to that were there directives to stand down in certain positions where they could have put their officers in danger. again these police officers have these long histories of various abuses being heaped upon the community. and when it comes back full circle sometimes your friends become allies and allies become enemies. so here we are in this new state. >> thank you for your analysis there. i want to turn to maryland state senator catherine pugh.

what can you tell us about what happened? >> a vote of no confidence by the police union. the mayor has made a decision to let the police commissioner go. and i think when we talk about how we move our cities forward and how we get back on track in terms of reducing crime it was probably the right thing to do. i can't sit in judgment of what decisions the mayor makes but i can say there's been a strong concern in neighborhoods and communities about how we get the trust back in the community and the police trusting the community to work with them. >> but certainly you can judge some of these policies. that is your job as the public official to evaluate what the police department in concert with this administration have been doing to address these problems. in your view can you point to anything specific that you think commissioner batts had done that meant he should end his tenure? >> let me say this. [inaudible] look at police behavior and make

recommendations in the future in terms of how we develop a policing system in the state of maryland that works for the community and works for the police. we are just now in our preliminary stages of that commission. so we don't have any preconceived notions in terms of what legislation may come out of that or the outcome of this study and the [ inaudible ] what can i say is that while i can't sit in judgment of decision i can speak on behalf of the community that feels disenfranchised as it relates to what's happening in our neighborhoods and communities. when you talk about the continued spike in fines in our communities, we just had three shootings, four shootings last night. three that led to deaths. when you talk about the police department that is not 24 hours and has now decided to be 24 hours that raises some concerns in our community. concerns of leadership.

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firestorm against that embattled star. >> i've done been up on stage and people don't believe me. people think i'm bringing it up. google bill cosby. >> he has been on stage there in philadelphia essentially breaking a taboo and treating those accusations against cosby as fact drove tons of new attention to the issue. one report said footage of that joke went viral and suddenly word of cosby's trouble past hit the mainstream. many cheered the role of a comedian as a truth teller. if the looser standards of comedy provided scrutiny on bill cosby that journalists and prosecutors failed to apply, so be it. others argued that the chain of events was troubling. for example, publicly asking why was it only when a male comedian called him a rapist that the

accusation took hold. a fair question. we want to note cosby has never been criminally charged, denied wrongdoing in the past and his spokesperson said he has no comment at this time on new allegations. since this comedy bit, burress was down played his role in bill cosby's fall. >> this bill cosby thing, you kind of got it started. you were the one that spoke about bill and it snowballed and really put a crimp in his dating life. >> it's definitely a weird situation, man. i get a lot of messages from people about it. >> joining me now, two cultural critics, tyler coltats and eric degand. eric, what does it say in your view about the way these accusations have worked and failed to be taken seriously for so long that this comedian pushed them forward? >> well what i would say is number one, hannibal's bit and

the fact that it went viral was the tip of a groundswell of relooking at these allegations about bill cosby. there was an extensive biography book called "cosby" that came out around that time and got people talking about it because it didn't deal with these issues. cosby himself was mounting sort of a return to comedy tour. he had a special teed up on netflix and people were starting to look at him anyway. i think hannibal was able to articulate a feeling, particularly amongst younger black people who hadn't grown up with cosby as the pudding pops guy or patriarch of the cosby show. then him as the guy who criticized their youth culture, who told them to pull up their pants and was the moral scold. hannibal sort of articulated why are you telling us this when you have these awful allegations in

your past and that came at a time just when people were taking another look at his life and career and it kind of all exploded. >> tyler there is something so powerful about jokes that are definitive and that call out hypocrisy. >> absolutely. i think, you know what eric -- eric made a really good point about how this is a younger generation that is re-evaluating cosby and it's coming from a comedian who's very popular among young people. this isn't someone a lot of older cosby fans know but this is someone who is on broad city a hugely popular show on comedy central and it plays a part of how the social justice activism that happens on the internet it kind of relates to the younger generation who doesn't view cosby in that way that maybe you or i do growing up with the cosby show or the parents generation that grew up with his specials. >> eric, when you think about this and the point i mentioned earlier, this isn't a situation

of he said/she said. this is he said/she said she said, she said she said count to 35. it seems as both a lawyer and a journalist that law and journalism sometimes fall down on this job because of the rules about how we treat claims. there's an important truth-seeking function to that. but i think when the story is all said and done about bill cosby, eric we have a lot of evidence to suggest that the story was missed for a very long time because people were not listening to what so many different women throughout the years were asserting. >> i would say as a corrective that the story was told in some places, but the public wasn't ready to hear it and accept it in a widespread fashion. "people" magazine did a lot of journalism around allegations in 2004 and 2005. the lawsuit that was settled that produced this deposition that we're now talking about this week that happened back in

2005. there was -- the "national enquirer" did stories, but i don't think people were ready to hear that about bill cosby until we were in that moment that again hannibal articulated so well. and we do see this with "the daily show" and with "the nightly show" and comics stephen colbert, they're able to make connections that sometimes journalists can't make because we do have to stick to the facts and we do have to worry about being very skrupcrupulous about what we say. what's interesting about this deposition is it revealed that only if you assume what he's admitted to in the deposition is true, it's a very different picture of cosby, a guy who holds back medication from a prescription so that he can give it to women that he's having sex with outside his marriage. even that is something that's so different than the image of cosby that we had before that it's very jarring and it's forced people to face some very

uncomfortable allegations in a way that maybe they couldn't before. >> no, that's really well put. tyler, does this speak to some of what younger comics are successful with, which is really having an overt political critical function? >> i think so. there's an article in "the atlantic" a couple of months ago about comedians being the new public intellectual. it has a lot to do with the generational divide. a lot of people are getting their news from "the daily show" and stephen colbert. i think comedy to be successful needs to push buttons and raise questions and then kind of deal with the fallback later. and that's i think what hannibal burress did very well with this. maybe he didn't intend it to be filmed and didn't expect it to him and it certainly caught him off guard as it did bill cosby's people. but it's something that we certainly haven't been able to avoid talking about in the last six or eight months. >> and there was an audience out there ready to listen to him as an authority. tyler, eric, thank you for your

time tonight. that is our show. "politics nation" with reverend al sharpton starts right now. tonight on "politics nation," nbc interview with donald trump. over 29 minutes of defiance. he was making no apologies. and he actually said he'll win the latino vote. plus the confederate flag controversy. we're live in south carolina for a debate that included talk of a, quote, war of northern aggression. and new york governor andrew cuomo just appointed the state attorney general as special prosecutor for police-involved killings. governor cuomo joins me live for a live interview.