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melber. major news on the battle over the confederate flag. first, the calls for change that began in the wake of the mass murders at the emmanuel a.m.e. church in charleston they achieved some victory today, the past hour nikki haley signed a historic bill. the confederate flag first raised in 1960 to support segregation will be lowered starting tomorrow. >> with that i am proud to say that the bill has been signed. i do want to also acknowledge these nine pens are going to each of the nine families of the emmanuel nine. >> it was a major major event there and important, but it was a major reversal from that governor's position just under a year ago when she was running for re-election. >> over the last three and a half years i spend a lot of my days on the phones with ceo's
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and recruiting jobs to this state, i can honestly say i have not had one conversation with a single ceo about the confederate flag. what sent a strange message was when we had senator shaheen who has been in the senate 15 years not once ever mention the confederate flag has no bill talking about the confederate flag, and one month prior to the election decides the confederate flag has to come down. >> that was governor haley arguing the flag could stay up. she's changed her position because of these events. you would think the events would make today a time to celebrate the change on the issue. the open silt happened on capitol hill. republican leadership put forward a last minute amendment to their annual spending bill funding the interior department. it would allow for the display of confederate flags in the national parks and in federally
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run cemeteries. in a pretty extraordinary moment, jim clyburn called for the entire house to adjourn in protest. >> i cannot believe that today we have been asked to condone a backwards step. why, we in this body do such is beyond me. mr. speaker. i move that we now adjourn. >> that was an extraordinary call there tempers flaired on the floor as they decided whether to vote. >> all those in favor say aye? all those opposed? the aye's have it. the aye's have it. previous question is --
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>> mr. speaker. i ask for a recorded vote. mr. speaker. >> it was a dramatic scene there, early arguments spark this show of emotion for king jeffries of new york. >> mr. speaker? had this confederate battle flag prevailed in war 150 years ago, i would not be standing here today as a member of the united states congress. i would be here as a slave. >> get your cell phones out we want to know what you think. tonight's question is base ikic. you can go to pulse.msnbc.ed. we'll have your comments soon. i heard your moving remarks there.
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this is something that as you know, a lot of people feel we should be way past shouldn't have to say on the floor, people understandably angry about all this. what has it been like? >> it's been a whirlwind of activity all week? it's shameful that 150 years after the end of the civil war, we are still dealing with the issue of the confederate battle flag. this confederate battle flag is a symbol of racial hatred and oppression. that is without question. there is no legitimate justification for the use of public funds to display it anywhere on public land. and that's why we as house democrats decided to take the stand that we did today. earlier in the week, it appeared that republicans were going to do the right thing. but less than 24 hours later, it appeared that the ghosts of the confederacy had invaded the
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republican conference and they completely reversed their position which brought us to the events of earlier today. >> would you describe this as mainly a political action by these individuals because there is as we know in parts of the south a very strong desire to maintain the flag that is why people like governor haley had run on defending it. that's only changed her stance as the winds have changed. would you describe this as something deeper and animous among colleagues of yours, they need to find ways to fly the confederate flag on federal property? >> it's hard for me to believe anyone could conclude that it's appropriate to fly the battle flag anywhere on state or municipal land. the supreme court recently issued a decision saying the
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state of texas was well within its power to deny the issuance of license plates with the confederate flag emblem. we're not talking about first amendment speech here we're talking about the use of taxpayer dollars to elevate a symbol of racial hatred and oppression. the american people want us to deal with a whole host of issues and it's sad that republicans seem unable to allow us as a congress to get past what should be a simple matter of banishing the confederate battle flag to the dust bin of history where it belongs. >> you mention the supreme court opinion, they held that you have a first amendment right to fly the flag as an individual, but you don't have a right to try to get the government to automatically fly it, that being a big difference in terms of our rights. walk us through what happens now, it would seem the best we could tell that republicans did back off this in the house, in that sense, i guess it was a failure, where do things go from
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here, and how do you put this issue to bed? >> well, the house republican leadership is going to have to make a decision about whether they are prepared to bring the interior appropriations bill back to the floor, absent the calvert amendment which was going to confer congressional legitimacy to the confederate battle flag that was the issue they've withdrawn the interior appropriations bill speaker boehner has indicated he wants to convene a bipartisan conversation, 150 years later, ari, the time for conversation is passed. we should put this issue to rest, the state of south carolina did the right thing today both whites and blacks republicans and democrats came together to remove the confederate battle flag from state capitol grounds in south carolina. why are we having difficulty here in congress the same.
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>> folks all across the country are shaking their head. >> people are shaking their heads, a lot of people i think, rightfully outraged when you look at this in the way it went down last night. congressman jeffries thanks for your time tonight. >> thank you very much. >> we want to turn directly to another related debate over freedom of expression. the state of georgia is in a legal battle with the ku klux klan. they basically said they wanted to clean up a part of a route 515 in the appalachian mountains, the state department denied that application saying the program was aimed at civic minded organizations in good standing. the aclu sued on behalf of the kkk in september 2012 arguing the state in that decision was violating the kkk's right to free speech. back in november a fulton county superior judge ruled in
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the group's favor. the state appeal heard arguments in that case today. at the core of the argument are those adopt a highway sign state lawyers saying it's essentially government speech. thus are not constitution ali protect ed protected citizen speech. we want to go to mia smith, director of the aclu. >> happy to have you, this is a difficult one, and it is distinct from what people think of in the flag context in the government flying a flag speaking for the government although, there is plenty of debate about that, we would be interested in hearing first, your view of how this is a free speech, that is to say a citizens speech case zm. >> well let me start by saying this case is bigger than the kkk, i think it would be easy especially in these times with all of the discussion around racial justice and the
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confederate flag and the tragedies that have happened all over this country in the last 18 months. but what is at issue here are two primary issues. one, the state asserts that under its sovereign immunity that no citizen could seek redress in the courts for constitutional violation unless the state weighs or consents to such a suit. we reject that notion. we believe that constitutional rights are fundamental and that it is a hallmark of these united states of america, our u.s. constitution, and the state of georgia, that constitutional violations ought to be heard, that citizens get their day in court. and so we took the case to defend that very principal. the applications are broad and sweeping for the citizens of georgia, parents and protesters to businesses. to groups that often offend and
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have hurtful speech such as kkk. we believe that this case is different. the license i plate cases -- the state here opened an adopt a highway program to all civic minded organizations. there were no state regulations governing the program, it was pure discretion on the state to decide. >> i'm going to cut in i totally get that i think what people are wondering, though is why should someone's free speech rights. if someone wants to say they're in the clan or hold a racist view, we have a constitution that protects those ideas. they don't go to jail for the idea. a lot of people understand that, even if the idea is objectionable. what people would look at here in the context we're in right now is asking your suit the organization that you're representing why does that idea
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have to be protected once the government is involved in sanctioning it the highway program being a government program is different than the person just doing that on their own. >> it's not. it's not different. it's -- i mean it is a hybrid speech, and so the government has the first amendment puts limitations on government's ability to discrimination on the basis of viewpoint. and here there were no regulations, the government took full discretion to say we don't like that speech and the first amendment precludes the government from doing precisely that. >> you're saying that basically, if you lose this case that's going down a bad road because it allows the government to pick the winners and losers based on their ideology? >> precisely. >> not everyone is it as interested in the legal details as you and might be. what do you think about the way we're seeing the confederate flag ousted from a lot of the cultural space. not just the government per say, but television shows like dukes
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of hazard or books being marginalized, do you think we should be concerned about that? even if we don't like what the flag stands for? >> i think that's fundamentally different, i think the separations of power make it such that the marketplace of ideas, the thing that we hold so true to the first amendment allows for all different types of viewpoints and then we have the luxury and the liberty to decide how we handle those things and we do it through the legislature and enactment of laws and policies and those such things, so that we're seeing that play out in the south carolina legislature. it has played out there, and it seems to me that in the context here of the adopt a highway program, that the state could have enacted criteria that was neutral, that they applied to all applicants since they made the program available to all applicants, and that their basis for denial should not have been
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on viewpoint basis. that is our fundamental issue with this because as justice black so eloquently put it the freedoms accorded must be -- the freedoms of speech must be accorded to speech we hate otherwise, sooner or later, those protections will be denied to speech we cherish. today it's the kkk, tomorrow, the black lives matter movement is not popular, we have the government saying protesters can't assemble in the street. and so i think there's a larger principle at play here that is not confine ed to the ku klux klan but is a broader idea of the protections of speech in the state of georgia. >> i know you're arguing all of this from a principled position one that is increasingly controversial, as we have these debates. an important one from a free speech perspective as well. >> remember to answer tonight's question at pulse.msnbc.com/ed.
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we will have the results after the break. >> all work and no play that is what jeb bush is saying is the key to our economic growth. senator bernie sanders is here on the ed show to respond to that. and tell us much more about his campaign. later in the show. debbie wasserman-schultz is here to discuss. sleep in sleep out star gaze dream big wander more care less beat sunrise chase sunset do it all. on us. get your first month's payment plus five years wear and tear coverage. make the most of summer... with volvo. what do you think of when you think of the united states postal service? exactly. that's what pushes us to deliver smarter
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higher retirement age, he says this about the american's approach to the workday. >> my aspiration for the country and i believe we can achieve this 4% growth as far as the eye can see. >> which means we have to be a lot more productive workforce participation has to rise from its all time modern lows. means that people need to work longer hours, and through their productivity gain more income for the families. >> that's the only way we're going to get out of this rut we're in. >> bush quickly moved to clarify those remarks, saying it was about full time versus part time work. >> if we're going to grow the economy, people need to stop being part time workers, they need to have access to greater opportunities to work. under this administration they have created rules that make it harder for people to work. this overtime rule is going to end up creating not more opportunities. higher income for people, people are going to end up working less. obama care has forced people to
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businesses to hire people for 30 hours rather than 40 hours. you can take it out of context all you want. high sustained growth mines that people work 40 hours rather than 30 hours, and that by our success, they have money, disposible income for their families to decide how theyen watt to spend it rather than getting in line and being dependent on government. >> it's another sign that jobs and pocketbook concerns are big in both party's presidential primaries right now, that could be key for the campaign of our special guest tonight. bernie sanders running for president, joining us now. good evening. >> good evening. >> what do you think of jeb bush's comments and is the key working longer hours? >> i don't think much is the bush's comments. to be criticizing obama, after his brother left aus an economy in which we were hemorrhaging 800,000 jobs a month. the truth is that governor bush is wrong on a number of counts. first of all, the american
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people already work the longest hours of any people in a major country on earth. ironically today we have 85% of male workers working more than 40 hours a week 66% of women workers are working more than 40 hours a week. i'm not quite sure how much more governor bush wants our people to be working. needless to say, he's opposed to the overtime rule that would allow millions of workers who are working long hours to finally get time and a half. i have not heard him support raising the minimum wage to a living wage or pay equity for women workers. it sounds to me like it's the same old same old trickle down economics which benefits the wealthy and large corporations. >> wall street reform has been a big issue on the trail. you have been critical of some of the big banks. as you know senator warren and
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cantwell have introduced a bill to reign in some of the banks. i spoke with senator campbell about that last night. i want to play that for you and get your response. >> people should ask secretary clinton about her views on banking reform. in the past i've had my conversations with her about that and i expect that she will be tough on this issue. that she will say to wall street, that you know we're not going to take the same kind of risk that we took in the past. >> the sponsor to that bill saying she expects senator clinton will be with her and tough on the banks. do you agree? >> we will see, this is what i know i know that under president clinton when they talked about deregulating wall street and all of the wonderful benefits that would occur, when you had had commercial banks merging with insurance companies and so forth, i didn't buy that for a second. and i voted against the deregulation of wall street and voted against the ending of
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glass steigel. in my view you have a situation now to be honest with you where it is not congress that regulates wall street is the power of wall street regulates congress. i am absolutely supportive of reinstating glass stegall you have to go further than that. you have six financial institutions today that have assets equivalent to the gdp of america. that's too much. we have to break them up. >> you mention that of course that deregulation in '99 which you did vote against. is it a fair assumption that because president clinton signed it, hillary clinton would be in the same camp? >> i don't want to make any assumptions at all. all i know is what my view is and my view is that most of the major banks today are actually larger than they were before we broke them up. number one, they have too much concentration of power, number two, i fear very much about another too big to fail scenario. >> i also want to ask had you
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about some of the criticism that's been out there right now, basically, on your political potential. not your positions, not the passion of the supporters you currently have but your ceiling, so to speak in politics. new york times piece, i'm sure you saw, says your momentum may not be meant to last. clinton has a huge lead among moderate and contive democrats. you can close that gap, will determine the seriousness of your candidacy and whether you can pick up more delegates. there aren't more reasons to expect you will breakthrough. certainly you aren't doing that yet. and i know from your campaign you have about 25 folks on the ground in iowa five in new hampshire. we don't know about any other state. are you going to put people in south carolina and some of the other states with different voting blocks and what's your response to that concern? >> the answer is that i think we can address that issue effectively. at the end of this month, we're going to have organizational
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meetings in thousands of communities around this country, mobilizing tens and tens of thousands of people in a strong grassroots effort that i expect will take place in 50 states in this country. i have only been in this race a little over two months secretary clinton has been thinking about it a lot longer than that. we have got a lot of work to do. no question about it but i think on the issues taking on wall street, raising the minimum wage to 15 bucks an hour opposition to the tpp, focusing on the need to overturn citizens united. dealing effectively with climate change, pay equity for women workers. making college tuition free in our public colleges and universities, all of those issues will resonate with working people in 50 states of this country. i think the more we can get our message out, we're doing that the more we can put people on the ground you're going to see those numbers change and us
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gaining a whole lot of support. >> you mentioned a whole list of issues there that certainly a lot of folks do care about, i want to ask you, the ongoing debate over policing in america, whether it is fair to all citizens, whether some policing is racist in its intent or its impact. >> absolutely. >> what are your thoughts how would you fix some of those concerns? >> well, it is a huge issue. the good news is if you like we are beginning to pay attention to what happened in south carolina, to what happened in baltimore, what happened in new york. and what the american people and the african-american community are saying sorry, it is no longer acceptable for unarmed african-americans to be shot in the back to be beaten up to be killed. so clearly we do need police reform we need better training. when police officers break the law, they have got to be held accountable. it is no longer acceptable to turn away from that reality we
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need to demilitarize our communities. when i was mayor of burlington we moved toward community policing not an oppressive force. we've also got to address snigs to all of that we have to recognize that youth unemployment in the african-american community today is it over 50%. over 50%. that is unacceptable and that's why i've introduced legislation to put a million kids back to work all over this country. so there is a lot to be done with these issues that we have got to focus on and address. >> senator bernie sanders, appreciate you telling us about your campaign vision and making the time tonight. >> thank you very much. >> still to come. we're going to look at their plan to maybe get more power for the south in the 2016 race and a basketball star's contract talks turn into a team sleepover at
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they've been spending lots of time in the key states like iowa and new hampshire, a colt igs of southern states are angling for a piece of the action. georgia is pushing for a southern super tuesday, they want it to be on march 1st. the effort will join alabama, arkansas tennessee, texas and alabama. primaries aren't the only shake-up this year fox news announcing the republican debates will be capped at ten participants. the national polling will decide who gets an invite to the debate debate. democrats on the other hand keeping the numbers smaller, the dnc will sanction six debates. joining me now is congresswoman debbie wasserman-schultz, chairman of the democratic party, how are you? >> great, how are you? great to be with you, thanks. >> what do you think about this idea of a sort of southern block super tuesday? >> well -- i mean we're focused
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on making sure that we at the democratic party get ready to launch our nominee into an election that will result in electing the 45th president of the united states of america, and so the mechanics of which primaries in which states occur on which day are really not our focus right now, we're trying to make sure we're ready to be able to back up our nominee, and have the strength we need to do that. >> there are mechanics you are directly in charge of like the primary debates. can you say at this time will all declared candidates be in those sponsored debates. or do you have a mechanism of deciding? >> we're going to establish a this remember hold it's a this remember hold that's expansive, and allows for the maximum inclusion of our major party
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candidates. we will have a threshold for the case. >> based on polling? >> we haven't quite finished formulating all the details for when we roll out. we still have dates and co sponsors and what that this remember hold level will be. >> we're looking forward to that, the debates have become a big item of intrigue. turning from rules to issues you saw what jeb bush has said on the trail this week. basically calling for people to work longer hours that would be economically positive folks have pointed out that's typically a feature of far poorer economies than industrial ones. what do you make of that? and he sort of walked it back what do you think it says? >> it says that jeb bush is one of the most out of touch former elected officials and candidates for the united states we've seen in a long while. that's saying something, given the republican nominee was mitt
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romney in 2012. being from his home state of florida, i'm not surprised. he seems to operate under the let them eat cake philosophy which is let's make sure that in order to boost our economy, we require workers to work longer hours, maybe he doesn't realize that we have the longest workday in the industrialized world or that our productivity is the most significant that it's been in our history. it's baffling that jeb bush thinks americans aren't working hard enough and the key to boosting our economy is that they should work harder. >> another big story as you well know, you're inside the house is, they cancelled that course on the spending bill. i saw today you were saying this felt like one of the darker hours in the congress. can you walk us through first of all, just what was this about? what were the republicans trying
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to say? and why do you think this matters on a day when south carolina is making progress. a lot of people feel like republicans in the house were taking a step backwards? >> they absolutely were stepping a -- taking a giant step backwards. i sit on the appropriations committee, and last night on the interior appropriations bill in the dead of night, under the cover of darkness the republican leadership tried to insert a provision that would ensure that the confederate flag could fly in national parks. this is at the same time that the south carolina house of representatives is debating taking down the confederate flag. they had about 100 members of their caucus that were going to vote against the bill if the amendment went down and if the amendment was pulled. you have a republican party in the house of representatives and quite frankly across this country that is desperately clinging to a racist hateful
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symbol, and that played out on the floor of the house of representatives today, when our leader nancy pelosi filed a motion to bring up the resolution that would condemn the confederate flag and bring down the confederate flag and anywhere it's represented in our nation's capitol, in our united states capitol, the republican response was to refer it to committee. they are using every trick in the book to be able to cling to a racist hateful painful symbol that it's high time we put where it belongs in a museum and in the ash bin of history. >> congresswoman debbie wasserman-shultz thanks for joining us. >> great to be with you. still to come veterans groups slaming george w. bush for his six figure payday at a charity event. our hundred thirty-four thousand three hundred eleven people in this city.
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. welcome back. some veterans groups are slamming president george w. bush for accepting a fee for speaking at a veterans charity dinner. nbc news has confirmed, he was paid $100,000 to speak at a helping a hero event. i helps outfit homes for veterans wounded in afghan wars. other presidents said they do not receive fees for addressing veterans groups although they make a lot of money for making other speeches. and it was said that bush's appearance helped raise
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significant funds for the charity. the group said they raised over $2.5 million. clark released a statement saying, his presence was appreciated by the veterans and supporters of the organization. others, however, are making a lot out of the speaking fees. former marine eddie wright lost both hands during a rocket attack serving in iraq. here's what he told abc news. for him, president bush, to be paid for veterans that were wounded in combat under his orders. i don't think that's right. end quote. now we want to also show you what the george w. bush camp has been saying a spokesman telling abc news quote, president bush has made helping veterans one of his highest priorities in his post presidency pointing out that he has done extensive work to help veterans in recent years including hosting mountain bike and golf tournaments. he is also working on the military service initiative which gives some returning veterans different kinds of support. we also reached out to george w. bush's office for comment but
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have not heard back. for more on this controversy, i want to bring in john, cheryl of vote vets.org as well as a former aide in the george bush sr. white house. >> how are you? >> doing all right. john, let me start with you. i heard mentioning what another ventura thought about this and we can understand the real sense activities here given the import of the issues. what do you think? >> i think he should give the money back. it is pretty simple. the optics are terrible. >> is it the optics? or is there something wrong with this? >> there's something wrong with it. the fact that he took the money and it was three years ago makes it you know bad for him politically. bad for his brother politically. donald trump is tweeting about this thing. this is a president who was not popular inside the military. he evaded service in vietnam. didn't show up for his flight physicals. there's a lot of politics. >> i want to say -- >> look --
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>> i'm anchoring the show. there are a lot of issues we can talk about. what i'm asking you is what is wrong substantively with him taking this money if there is. not every other thing that has come up between him and the military. >> because the soldier who lost his arms is offended by it and i'm offended by and it people who served in iraq are fonded by it. he is personally responsible for people who lost their lives and he's profiteered from it. you can't profiteer from a war that you sent people to go fight for. i'm not against public paid speeches but this is $100,000 plus $50,000 to his wife plus $20,000 for an airplane that could have help wounded veterans. we've all sacrificed for this war. what has president bush sacrificed? at least he could do is give the money back. >> so you hear the point. if we narrow it to the issue at hand, that money that he took from this veterans charity to john's point could be going to veterans instead of to the former president. >> i'm very sensitive to what
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john has to say. i have the highest respect for anybody that put his or her life on the line for this country and those people who have done that are heroes in my estimation. at the same time, i worked for a u.s. president. i know how many requests a president gets for appearances. certainly people like bill clinton and george w. bush get lots of requests to attend these events. folks know if they come they can raise lots of money and i'm glad that george w. bush lowered his fee and then went to an event and raised nearly $2.5 million on behalf of wounded veterans. i think that was the right thing to do and it certainly helped the organization help a lot of vets. >> i guess the question is yes, that is something. but he doesn't need the money. the veterans do need the money. and the event is built on the premise that the veterans need the money. so it is not like a side thingful it is the whole point of the event. why shouldn't the president just do that event for free so the money goes to the veterans
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instead of him? >> well that is certainly a thought, ari. in a perfect world it would be great to donate the money back if he is able to. presidents also have expenses like everybody else. >> you think he should donate the money. >> no it's a personal decision for him. president clinton and president bush and other former presidents who get speaking fees to show up to events to raise money on behalf of those causes have the right to give back some or all of the money they raise but it is a personal decision to make. i think that they choose carefully the events that they do and the fact that they choose to do these events to raise money on behalf of other americans is a good thing and i think they ought to continue to do it. i think george w. bush picked the right organization to raise money for. and i think he did a good thing ultimately by raising $2.5 million. >> you mentioned jeb bush earlier. lord knows that bill clinton's speaking fees were pressed as an issue on hillary clinton. do you think as a veteran, someone involved in the issues
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that this now is something that jeb bush has to speak to? or is separate? >> he is going to have to speak to it. this is more to do with the show race going on in the republican primary. i can't control what donald trump does and he is tweeting all over the place that jeb bush's brother took $100,000 from a veterans charity when he could have spoke for free. unfortunately, this issue is going to be a republican presidential primary issue. you know they've got donald trump over there who does whatever he wants to do. i think it is really simple. george bush should just do the right thing and give the money back. a, it is the right thing to do. and b, because he profiteered off a war he started. it is conduct unbecoming. >> do you think he will give the money back? >> i can't speak on what he does. i have no insight. i have no idea what they're thinking. the right thing is hand the money back over. >> for people who look at this and say here's the back and forth. the whole point is trying to get
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funds, charitable funds to the veterans, to the people who sacrifice and serve. is there some fix to this? some standard in your view and expertise to be applied going forward? >> i think of the objective is to raise money to refurbish homes. the charity in question has done some very good work. the objective of the fundraiser is to raise the most money they can for the wounded veterans. that shouldn't clumpb 170,000 in speaking fees. that's one refurbished house for one less veteran and whatever george w. bush wants to do with that money in his own pocket is what he wants to do. if your objective is to raise money for veterans it should be to raise money for veterans. >> are you also surprised that the former president would make this kind of mistake? >> well i don't know that it is a mistake necessarily, raising money to help wounded veterans is always good thing. at the end of the day, it is his choice what he does with the money. he took lesser fee, have been. he has lots of choices to make. lots of organizations that want him to appear and speak on their behalf and to raise money for
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them and he chose this one. i think did he the right thing. >> that's the debate. it is one that matters to a lot of people. that is our show. "politics nation" with reverend sharpton starts right now. tonight on "politics nation," confederate that controversy, a time for unity in south carolina. a time to fight on capitol hill. we'll go live to both. also jeb bush says he wants you to work longer. what does he mean? and what is hillary clinton saying about it? plus call me maybe? we have a special look at what may have gone down in the infamous phone call between donald trump and the rnc. you won't see this anywhere else.