that does it for the cycle. have a great weekend. "now" with alex wagner starts right now. >> dylann roof. dylann roof the south carolina man charged with murdering nine at the emmanuel ame church in charleston last month should not have been able to purchase the gun used in that attack. fbi director james comey spoke with reporters today and said roof was age to buy the weapon because of a breakdown in the fbi's background check system. we all wish this didn't happen. we wish we could turn back time. this came on the same day as the confederate flag was lowered from the capitol grounds. nikki haley called for the

flags' removal of photos of roof posing with the flag and a handgun. pete, let's start with you in terms of the dell tails coming out about this. do we have a time line detailing when dylann roof first went to purchase the gun and when he actually obtained it. >> on february 28th he was arrested at a shopping mall in south carolina and charged with illegally possessing a drug. now that police report was never seen by the fbi. and the fbi director today said if the fbi had known that it would have disqualified him from buying a gun. why? because there is a provision in federal law that says you can't buy a gun if you are an illegal drug user and under the fbi's rules, if you are arrested and admit you possessed illegal drugs that disqualifies you. so he goes to the store in mid

april and applies to buy a gun that. triggers the three day waiting period. goes in saturday april 11th. on the following monday the fbi examiner begins to look into his case. looks into his criminal rap sheet and see answer arrest but it says lexington county sheriff's office. they call the sheriff's office. they say it is not our case. you got to to call the columbia police department. so she pulls up in lexington police department and there is no columbia police department. but there is a west columbia police department. she calls them they have no such record. three days go by and at the end of three days under federal law -- it is a three day waiting period, remember. if the fbi doesn't say no within those three days the sale can go ahead. the case was still under review so there was no "no." so he goes in on a thursday he buys the gun legally and the law

enforcement says that is the gun he used in the shooting. >> i want to go to joy reed. this news would be weighty no matter what day it was but the fact it's coming when the residents of the south carolina are taking down the flag and a page is being turned what's the reaction to this news? >> absolutely it is interesting timing for this information to come out. people here were very jubilant today both as the flag was brought down from the flag pole that used to stand behind he here at the state house and then again at 2:00 as the flag pole itself was pulled out of the ground and taken away. people cheering people crying. and i've spoke on the lawmakers who is said there is stale lot of work to be done in the state house on the issue of guns. they have a stand your ground law even more liberal than the one in florida. and when the state house and senate get back in session they

will be debating further expansions of the ability to carry a firearm in the state of south carolina. so we're right back where we always are with gun laws and enforcement and whether they should be even more liberal in the state. >> i think it surprises a lot of folks that if there is no decision made after that three day waiting period the state or the federal law dictates the default position should be the person gets the gun. >> as the bad idea and one the they have insisted on having. i want to start but the background checks 2.4 million people at least who are felons domestic abusers or other dangerous people have been blocked by that system but this loophole needs to close. and many states do it differently. in california, if there is a pending investigation you have 30 days to complete it.

>> and if the integralfederal investigators --. a lot of people would still be alive. >> pete in terms of the onus the police department bears. there were questions about the police department giving over records when needed for the background check. they did not. and those laws have since been changed. talk to us about what you are learning in terms of south carolina and the police departments that were consulted during this background check. >> and just to pick up on what mark was saying a moment ago. the fbi doesn't do the background checks in all the states. some states do it themselves. south carolina is one of the state where is the checks are done by the fbi. so there are three inflection points here. one is why does the rap sheet only list lexington county and not columbia south carolina police. columbia police tell us today they did enter this into the database. so why it didn't show i up that is something the fbi is still looking at. two, the fbi says they called the prosecutor which never called back. so that is another missed

opportunity. but the main problem here the fbi says is that its own database for lexington county didn't include the columbia police department. because the columbia police department's jurisdiction only includes a little tiny bit of -- columbia police department's jurisdiction is a little tiny bit of lexington county. and the fbi's database just failed to capture this. that is where the breakdown is the fbi feels its problem is. >> i feel people are going to to go in two directions here. . so will say we absolutely need to tighten up the background check, perhaps expand them. and other folks are going to say this is evidence of a bureaucracy run amok a non functioning bureaucracy. we should make it more transparent, easier for people to purchase guns or take away the layers of the bureaucracy that confuse things. >> it couldn't possibly be more easier to buy a gun. the only place to get a --.

that is precisely thanks to people like --. the problem here is investigators only have three days to complete tough investigations and what happens as a result of that in the past five years, 15,000 people who were prohibited purchasers that the fbi couldn't figure that out in only three days were allowed to buy guns. if they had a bigger window to do the investigations we would save a lot of lives. this is not about bureaucracy. this is about giving them time do their jobs. >> it is a debate that will no doubt continue. thank you all. after the break, he is number one in a new poll. so where is the donald taking his newfound political capital? not new hampshire or iowa but arizona. >> and the bro mans continues between former presidents bill clinton and george w. bush. but will it last as their loved ones scrap it out on the campaign trail? and

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be money chase he has trouble at the polls by the anymore of trump. this poll puts the donald up top leading jeb bush and rand paul. and far from being cowed by controversy, trump is clearly pumped full of adrenaline. tonight trump will host a news conference with alleged victims of illegal immigrants. the donald then heads to sheriff joe territory tomorrow for a border security rally that's already been moved to a larger venue due to overwhelming response. trump tweeted the venue change with the exhortation "build a wall let's make a america great again." joining me now executive editor of first look media, executive editor and host kathleen parker. to talk about my favorite subject, richard, donald trump. there is a lot of talk how seriously we should be taking

his candidacy. and one would think with the wind in his sails the trip would be to new hampshire or iowa or early primary state. but no. he is going to arizona to the border. what make you of this. >> well i like the line let's make america great again. technically under the trump line it would be mexicans building the wall. so they would be making america great again. but he is tapping into the something real. and we should take that realentment serious lyreal ent sentiment seriously. and the -- really the collapse of that second term. so i don't think you could take it lightly. this is not something the party leaders can kroll.control. even a sitting republican

president could control. he's gone there and made everyone else look reasonable. going to arizona, he's not playing the states. he is playing the republican ecochamber and he's doing it brilliantly well. >> kathleen there is some talk that republicans are concerned if they alienate trump he will burn them by running as a third party candidate. how legitimate do you think that is? ? >> i would be surprised if he did that. trump is ultimately all about trump. and a third party candidacy gives him a stage unto himself. it will really mess them up if he does that. but i don't think there is anything they can do about it. you can't -- as you say they are afraid to alienate the people who are attracted to his message. so i think i agree with richard, that they have to pay very close attention to what people are responding to. it is not so much trump the man

but what trump is talking about and they need too lasso that themselves and offer a trump trump, in other words. so it is just a huge huge surprise to see how well he's doing. and i'm sure they are all scrambling trying to figure out what the heck they are going to do about this guy. >> it surprises me eric that according to trump, which is an important asterisky caveat there are seven full time trump staff in new hampshire and nine in iowa which gives him possibly the largest paid staff operational in the republican field. who are those people i don't know. >> what their experience is doing the kind of work that's going to be required of them also. but trump has succeeded at standing out in this crowded field, which everyone is scrambling to do. and he's done it the same way he's built his empire which is also built on his baloney and buffoonery. >> and bombast. >> sure. he's just willing to go there. he doesn't care if he's laughed

at. he knows that standing out in america and what matters and he knows how to do that. >> go ahead kathleen. >> he thinks that people love him. >> right. >> and this poll that you cite i'm so glad to find out you don't take it seriously. >> well we have to say that. we would like to believe in a poll that shows him as number one. but we must caveat that as well. >> well he is not only in first place but is the preferred choice for second place. one in four republicans is saying they prefer donald trump. and that is just astounding to me. and the other thing is the same people polled in that survey said they don't expect him to be the nominee. so i wonder how much of this is support for trump or rather it is an opportunity to sort of send a message to the rest of the parties that these are the things we care about and you better pay attention. >> to your point, richard, i feel like there could be residualreside al benefit for the bushes because his reasonableness

shines through in the shadow of trump. >> the theory holds it is not the other people in the field you are running against, it is the incumbent. and even though obama isn't running, whose the least like obama in this field? whose the anti obama? it is not jeb bush, another reasonable sounding intellectual incremental sensuous guy. it is donald trump. and there is something else i think he's tapping into. and it is the idea that washington is so broken the political system is so broken you just need to blow it up. >> fist fulls of the dynamite. the yosemite sam candidate. >> right. and there is a platform for more serious reform but he's tapping into the something real. to hell with a lot of you. i don't want a politician. i want something else. >> i do want to talk about the money because jeb bush has amassed a war chest even at this early date. and this is to some degree no

surprise. there are also candidated in the republican party who have semi sizable war chests at this point. and it sort of suggests this will be a longer primary contest than the republican party would necessarily like. given the fact that you have super packs on the fringes setting up shop and getting 30 40 million for the candidates getting them perhaps longer than the polls would keep then. >> and we've seen in past elections that it is still so early that the person in the third or fourth where is mccain on the brink of iowa could calm ever come from behind in unexpected ways. so the money is going to keep people in long enough to find out if they could be that person and come from the back of the pack late in the game. >> i think the thing that will further exacerbate this is that fact it's anybody's race. and scott walker makes 15 suggests that nobody thinks they should be put in the corner which i think also combined with

the money will make this a really long primary process. what do you think? >> i agree with you. and of course that is also terrible for the republicans. because you might say on the one hand it gives everybody a chance to talk. but it gives aerve chance to beat up on the p leading candidate who most likely will be the nominee. we saw it happen with mitt romney. and if bush is the person in the lead i think they are all going to gang up on him and do all the damaging research for the opposition. so it is not good if it goes on very long and it's not good if candidates who don't have a chance really of becoming a nominee should have these war chests supporting them into -- ad infinitum. >> otherwise they would be able to support themselves by virtue of their polls. >> i want to end on one non-mud slinging positive note. which is that george w. bush and bill clinton to the stage last night and had sort of

friendly-ish things to say about each other. >> i know jeb. and i'm confident secondary hillary will elevate this course. >> i know who i'd like to win. but the more important thing for america is we know what the heck we're deciding on and we make a pretty good decision. >> how long does that bromance last richard? >> i think they are both skillful now have keep this up a long time. >> ek secretary hillary. >> i think, you know, i realize many msnbc people won't agree with this. but president george w. bush has actually stepped away from the politics remarkably well since he left office. >> by virtue of not getting involved in politics. >> right. and i think he will continue to do that. >> i look forward more many more sound bites like that. when we come back magnum p.i.

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of the office of personnel management resigned after datas breeches rise. >> she did so of her own volition. she recognizes as the courthouse does that the office requires a manage with a specialized set of skills and experiences. the president believes this is significant and this needs to continue to be a pliert of his administration. >> yesterday it was revealed that the breech effects every person subject to a background check over the last 15 years and includes their social security number, home addresses, health and financial histories and fingerprint records. so between united airlines the new york stock exchange and this, i really don't feel like we have a handle on technology. >> we don't. and that's been apparent for some time. that is bigger breech of

national security than anything edward snowden ever did. the records released were intentionally kept secret because they were a throat national security and now they are potentially in chinese hands. one of the parts of the story going unrecognized is the republicans would have us believe it is obama's fault or more broadly the fault of big government. a significant factor in this is private contracting, which happened under bush and the explosion in private contracting. the keys the chinese hackers used to get into the federal system they got by hacking into one of the private contractors, defense contractor who is worked with the opm. that defense contractor is very well politically connected. they have lots of former generals on the board. they have had the former director of homeland security on the board. so the way they get the business for this is through those political influences and connections that they have. that is really one of the big parts of the problem is the private sector and the degree to which they have taken over i.,

the t. for the government. >> there is always the call for a head to roll. and i feel like in some cases i think that might make things better. but in this one, katherine archuleta leaving does not instill confidence in me and i'm of course just a layman. but the situation in terms of cyber security is actually going to get any better. >> from a standpoint we have to do something. we fire this one person and all of a sudden the chinese are going to back off or something with what looks to be a very devastating security breech. that is obviously not going to happen. what's interesting is there is a people that meme that's emerged of the right because katherine archuleta was the affirmative action hire and i think your point is really important here. we've certainly seen that private companies do not have a

handle on security. another shocking thing is the federal government doesn't have two-factor security checks which had that private contractor gotten something to their phone it would have happened. so this clearly goes far deeper than just one person who suddenly has become the scapegoat scapegoat. >> do you think that we are -- i mean obviously we could be careful with the data that opm had. but generally speaking in the 21ness century i feel like there is not a lot of consideration that goes before volunteering really important information and putting into the database somewhere. >> i keep all of my information on clay tablets. that was good's plan and i'm sticking with it. i think you are all too optimistic and that we're a dufus nation. name the aspect of american technology that is going brilliantly. >> well we had this idea that

because things are computerized that means we have two feet firmly planted in the 21st century. >> apparently you don't get your internet through time warner. >> and i'm going stop that conversation right there and move to the next one. ted cruz is sparring with the "new york times" for not putting husband book on the best seller list. "new york times" saying the overwhelming preponderance of the evidence was that sales were limited to strategic bulk purchases. ted cruz is calling for an apology. he calls on the times to release the so called evidence. harper collins has pushed back saying there was no evidence of bulk purchase being used. talk to me about where you think the scales of justice should drop. >> well i have to make a disclosure here.

which is that i have book from harper collins in the fall notorious rbg. >> which you have asked me to buy 300 copies when it comes out. >> i would never. let's be clear this is about ted cruz running if are the conservative vote. if he's saying the "new york times" is targeting him, the "new york times" is biased against him, ted cruz personally, even though the other members include ann coulter, i think no conservative ever lost support from their base by politicizing the "new york times." >> why would -- first we've heard this is a fairly wide spread practice which doesn't make it okay. >> the times list is hard to make. now when you get your -- >> he is also number 4 on the "wall street journal" best seller list. >> they don't use the same procedures. >> they also don't allow books to ascend based on bulk purchase. >> all i know is conservatives

are all over the times best seller list. that bill o'reilly's children's book about hitler. that is still on the children's best seller lisz. maybe cruz should write more kids books about hitler. >> and that is a great suggestion. no it's not. okay. eric, there is this. the l.a. times reports tom celek has settled with the california water district just days after he's accused of loading up trucks with water from public hydrants and delivering to it his avocado farm west of los angeles. this is how t i goes in the days leading up to the apocalypse. rich people with lots of power do crazy selfish things and basically get away with it because they have the capital to excuse themselves. >> first off i've put all my magnum p.i. stuff on ebay. there is a double standard and it gets to the root of the water

crisis in terms of usage. he's got a ranch. >> avocado ranch. >> right. he's not taking extra long showers. that is o not what's going on here. he has a business to run. and whether he and the people running his business took this shortcut in order to get the water they needed that is going on all over california in the farm belt and how california produces the produce for the rest of the nation. >> we are not equal when it comes to water. every fliers worst nightmare is the economy class cabin hexagon. designed to increase cabin and make the flight as difficult as possible. i didn't think it was possible. >> as the triumph of human ingenuity. >> right. >> if you were feeling bad about

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hours ago pope francis visited the notoriously violent pal ma sola prison in bolivia. known for violence and sexual pope greeted inmates one by win one. speaking to a gathering of grass roots organizers in plifia he called the unfettered pursuit of money, quote, the dung of the devil devil. the pope ended his speech with

an unprecedented apology for the grave since of the church during the conquest of america. mother martin, let's me start with you. in terms of the number of topics this pope has tackled relatively early on in his papacy. the enthusiasm the progressivism he's espousing, how surprised are you? and how concerned do you think the folks in roam are about this? >> i'm surprised. but he was surprising from the get go choosing the name francis, there is some resistance in the valuetican but for the most part they are behind him. and he's espousing catholic values and social teaching. >> and when we talk about the messages he's put forth. obviously the climate change

piece. but he's also talked about divorce. saying divorce can be morally necessary to protect children. he's spoken out about abuse in the catholic children and what's your reaction to some of these statements? >> well i have a serious crush on the pope. i have to confess. we'll start with that. that is my first confession. i'm not catholic but i have followed him closely. and i really just see him as not so much a progressive as he is a christian. i mean he really takes the gospel to heart. and he does have -- you know, in these speeches he's been given these comments. he's got a very global message. he's talking to the whole world. but also has a very south american message and some of his messages i think are influenced by that ministry to the poor that he's always been so close to. so i don't find those comments so radical or progressive so much as he's encouraging all of

us to be more creative in our approaches so how we -- raising up all people and separating the greedy people. eliminating the greed to the extent we can. he's also calling on the poor and when he takes a position on social policy it is always with hard heart for the suffering of people who are not treated fairly. not to endorse certain things from a policy position but as a minister as the pope -- you know he is the pope. you know it is to ask people to approach these decisions and these issues with great compassion for the people. and always for the people. we should have economies that service the people and not just the money. and that is a very refreshing message to me. >> to this particular south american tour he's make b stops

in ecuador, bolivia and paraguay. often countries ignored. he's not going to his home country of argentina. talk to me about what message that sends. >> well he's chosen three of the poorest country, ek dor, bolivia and par guy and going out specifically to these countries and meeting with the poor. met with people in a prison today. he meets with poor all over the place in his travels. it is focusing again his message on the poor and the gospel need to care for the poor and support social justice. it is not enough to care for the poor. we have to ask about the systems that keep people poor. >> in terms of latin america that is a focus in the country where i think some part 84% of latin americans raised catholic. 69% remain so. do you think francis has the ability to change a generational tide in terms of the catholicism

and staying with the church? >> i do. a lot of people in 2 united states saying they are coming back to church for example as a result of francis directly. so whether or not it is long lasting but you saw one million people the other day going out for mass. there is something happening and people are finding in him a representative of christ who they find credible and attractive. >> he is not espousing policy per se but he is coming to washington on september 424th. he's going to make an appearance on the west front of the capitol. and he's been talking about income equality and others. do you think this has a effect on the republican party. >> i don't see the pope speaks in terms that are either democratic or republican. but appealing to all of us. and when it comes to inequality we certainly have our problems.

but from his perspective, the south american experience of his, there were situations where just a very few people owned most of the land and we do try to encourage home ownership and things like that in this country. it is getting harder and harder and our policy can be improved but i don't see it as the republican problem. he's also pro life. >> and by no means a dyed in the wool democrat. but particularly on climate change he's been very unstinting about that and it's not something the republican party has wanted to talk about, recently. >> yeah, you know, that is probably what he's going to talk about when he speaks to the congress when he's here. and he calls the mother earth -- i think he called her our sister mother earth. and we have this responsibility this moral responsibility to protect the earth and i'm all for that. so you know as to the climate change maybe the pope can make the difference. i don't know. but republicans will certainly

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end, isn't it. >> that was amy winehouse, the british mutation who died four years ago this month featured in the new documentary "amy." . the film shows her before she was famous something she never expected to be. >> how big do you think you are going to be? >> i don't think i'm going to be at all famous. i don't think i could handle it. i'd probably go mad, do you know what i mean? i would go mad. >> joining me now is director of "amy." so you really show amy winehouse as a human being. obviously an incredibly talented entertainer but who do you know her to be from your work on this documentary. >> i guess what i think i knew is she was a great singer. who i learned is she was amazing writer. i didn't know she played the guitar so well. i didn't know she created music as well as the voice.

i liked the simple things. she's really funny. this kind of amy i was introduced to via her friends and footage they showed was a real classic typical north lond london londoner, jewish girl and you really fall in love with her, that amy, the one nobody really saw here in the u.s. >> when you talk about amy the musician and we think about her place in the musical cannon. everyone talks about adel and sam smith but amy in some ways was the fore bearer in all of that. how do you think of her in context with where we are in music right now? >> i think the movie does a good job of showing there are two distinct amy periods, even though there is not much amy to work with. there is jazz era and back to black amy. and that amy is the thing that sets the table for the british soul revival. that said british people have

long been obsessed with american soul music. for decades. >> master of the arts in some ways. >> more than we have in a way. so amy's success really i think lays out the foundation for someone like adel to come a couple years later. and someone like sam a couple years after that. >> the frank era of amy looked different. she spoke her mind. said what she thought. and that was inspirational i think to a lot of artists as well. it is just a persona she brought on. she did her own thing. she was a londonering and not manufactured. in london we all knew the frank era aism and a lot of musicians loved that about her. >> and she never toured -- never played new york in the frank era. which is weird. >> talk about the media frenzy and the obsessive conch and the flashbulbs and the fact her life was flashed over. >> i think it's a quirk of fate.

she was a girl that was famous had this great album and the song rehab which is based on a real moment in her life. she happened to be the one who essentially what we can look at now and see a break up in public. and the media. suddenly there was websites. phone hacking going on. youtube, facebooks, everyone saw that bad gig in serbia. because we were all sharing it. and she happened to be the girl with the songs and the talent and having this personal story going on when the media suddenly changed. and she was the one she keptd providing. people kept clicking on it. that was the baluchd luck. >> we had amy in a magazine in what felt like the beginning of her career in the u.s. and what was so amazing about her is just immediately you know she was a force to be reckoned with. she had this immediate, the

first songs you heard you knew were going to be hits. >> also what was very striking i don't know if you read the first new york show i remember seeing her on stage and thinking amazing voice, intense presence. maybe a little tentative. and i was watching her backstage interact and the distinction between the stitched together amy and the kind of amy who did not at all want to be stitched together backstage was really striking. when you looked at her performs you are like oh she's a natural, a pro and beaming and backstage he's looking at jay-z and almost like a -- >> imagine that, being scared of jay-z. give the girl a break. >> it was '07. it wasn't '97. >> talk about the duality of that. we south by southwest and on one incredible fragile person behind

stage and got to the microphone and just belted it out and just this incredible depth and presence. >> i suppose that is what a real artist is. she has to feel it. she is in the moment. probably most comfortable writing or performing or singing. i think the idea of being a musician she loved. i think what happened to become a pop store andar and the fame that comes with it. singing the same songs over and over again. she was a jazz artist in a way and that probably felt more comfortable to her. she wanted to do a hip hop album. she wasn't sure about singing rehab again and again and again. unfortunately that is what the fans wanted. that is where it got confusing for her i think. >> just in terms of what could have come after. she was so influential for just having performed for a few years. one can imagine where she would be now. >> good point. which is there is a thing that happened on back to black where the framework almost became

bigger than amy winehouse. and my sense is she had been able to survive the troubles she would have found a way to go back to the frank era and strip down and get rid of that sound. because that sound ultimately fixed her in a place. >> well i know what i'm going to see this weekend. be sure to catch "amy" nationwide starting today. the "ed show" is next. good evening, americans. welcome to the "ed show." i'm ari melber let's get to work. tonight, wake up call. >> a mid south congressman is pushing to get local prosecutors off cases when police use deadly force and kill someone. >> it needs to be changed. >> and lasht, cyber hack fallout. >> 21.5 million people had highly personal information stolen. >> one of the largest security breeches in u.s. history. >> the