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the framework almost became bigger than amy winehouse. and my sense is she had been able to survive the troubles she would have found a way to go back to the frank era and strip down and get rid of that sound. because that sound ultimately fixed her in a place. >> well i know what i'm going to see this weekend. be sure to catch "amy" nationwide starting today. the "ed show" is next. good evening, americans. welcome to the "ed show." i'm ari melber let's get to work. tonight, wake up call. >> a mid south congressman is pushing to get local prosecutors off cases when police use deadly force and kill someone. >> it needs to be changed. >> and lasht, cyber hack fallout. >> 21.5 million people had highly personal information stolen. >> one of the largest security breeches in u.s. history. >> the office has resigned.
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>> and would you prefer window or aisle? >> middle. >> we've got a lot of good stories tonight. we begin with big news in the presidential race. forget donald trump, the saddest non candidate in this crowded field. forget ted cruz the tea party texan. the republican field is about to expand with a man who like it or not is very well-positioned to actually win the nomination. a governor whose been holding back on everyone so far. >> haven't made an announcement yet and won't do until our budget at the end of this month. which hopefully get our taxes taken down. >> that budget has now passed although the associated press noted it was late and unpopular. a week late bearing the northeast nomost no votes his laws ever received.
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walker is confident, even discussing potential running mates like marco rubio. which didn't go over that well. >> i like scott walker and i'm grateful but we're going to have a primary here and the voters are goings to make that choice. and if we ever wind up on the same ticket i expect it will be in alphabetical order. >> walker has the ingredients of a winning nominee. a battle tested wonder. popular on organized labor. willing to say many of the things conservatives want to hear. even if it's meant revising his positions and he's already a favor t on the ground. currently being outspent by jeb bush bush. and all that political duelling though because dynasties isn't keeping the elder statesmen apart. presidents clinton and bush came together in a rare meeting last
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night in dallas. >> i know jeb, and i'm confident secretary hillary will elevate, you know, the discourse. >> i know who i'd like to win but the more important thing for america is that we know what the heck we're deciding on and we make a pretty good decision. >> get cell phones out. is scott walker the real front runner in the republican field right now? to pulse.msnbc.com/ed. good friday evening, everybody. >> get to be here. >> matt is it a problem for everyone else that scott walker seems to be doing so well in iowa without even lifting a finger? >> yeah. i mean we can all say our political opinions on whether iowa should start this off but they start it off. and anybody who wins the
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caucuses in iowa gets a big head of steam. and scott walker has ties to the state and is doing great in the early polls and no question a victory there will really catapult him. >> ruth you look at this. there's been a lot of talk this week about the national polls, about people who have famous names that are in them. they don't mean anything. they never have. that is why people like herman cane and rudy giuliani and joe lieberman do very well in the national polls and never get the nomination. what do you make of walk ears position? >> i think he's well positioned and it is a long race ahead. so we don't know where he's going. but what he's done in wisconsin is to divide the state. really stir up division among even families where, you know, you are attacking your neighbors who are school teachers and firefighters trying to take down people's wages, take away their
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pensions. saying if you don't have a lot then your neighbor shouldn't have a lot either. it's been a long and waring process to have him as governor. the budget is incredibly unpopular. cutting education, slashing the university of wisconsin by 250 million, taking us down in job creation to the bottom rank among states and the very bottom of our region. i think a lot of that is going to come out and he's going to look less shiny. he is a real right winger. he speaks to the base. shutting down planned parenthood and no exceptions bans on abortions. he takes these positions and he's also affable and comes off as smooth so he doesn't necessarily suffer from optics that the other really right wing candidates do where they seem to appeal only to people who are fanatics. >> on that point, governor chris christie has seen numbers drop to the 30s and a lot has been about the scrutiny on the way he does business on his shtick his bravado.
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what many people feel is his nasty bullying side. which relates to choices but is a matter of style. you seem to suggest that scott walker may have done things that effect people in deeper and more problematic conveys seems to be getting away with it because you're saying partly he's a good political communicator. >> although i think he has a christie like problem. when you look a job creation agency he created and the gifts given to republican contributors. folks who outsource jobs who got big grants they never had to account for, who didn't ploi employ anybody with the money, who actually moved their manufacturing out of the country and out of the state afterwards. there are a number of large scandals like that that are going effect walker. his attempt to shut down open records in wisconsin. the progressive is part of a lawsuit about it -- >> might i -- >> -- [inaudible]. and then. >> -- please. >> and pursuing a lawsuit that will likely be successful chain the law itself so it's no longer
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possible to gain information on what government is doing. these are not good facts and it will challengedamage him in the national race. >> matt go ahead. >> we tried do this when bill clinton ran for governor afterpresident. the facts are the facts h. e won in the blue to purple state. and won over and over again. and yes he's got enemies in the state and has made tough decisions but that state has rewarded him with victory. and the fact is this. you can trash his record all you want. the reason why he's doing so well is because he seems like somebody who people can respect because he tells them what he believes and what he's going to to. and then he simply does it. he even does it when the politics are tough. so the more you trash him, the more i think you are helping him because he seems to persevere under all this trash talk. >> we'll see. >> i want to move on the a great fight happening with the ted cruz as well.
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i think there are a lot of good point about scott walker. the ted cruz thing getting tx today. you can't make it up. his book is out. it is selling well according to some measurements. but the "new york times," which has an influential best seller list basically said they are not going to count it because they see strategic bulk ordering. ted cruz firing back saying the "new york times" is lying, calling them to release their evidence or issue a formal apology. matt, i got to say if you are a republican candidate having the "new york times" pick a fight with you over your book sales is like a dream. >> yeah let me tell you. this is like a dream come true. ted cruz as the sitting senator does a great job running against washington and now he gets to run against the "new york times." this is wonderful for him. he'd love this controversy to continue. and actually it is not ted cruz calling him on the carpet. it is also his publisher who they are actually accusing of wrong doing as well. it is a great story. >> people don't keep track of this stuff.
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harper collins is not usually in the middle of republican primary politics politics. and it may not matter in the end. but my view is if ted cruz is selling a lot of books, so be it. there are a lot of people who want to at least own his book as a way of feeling like supporting him or maybe read it too. i don't know. >> i don't know. i'm not in the ted cruz book club. i don't think it is going advance his presidential ambitions much but i think it will advance his career in fox news. >> it is this great little political thing for him and fits this idea that, you know his -- in the conservative world view whether you accept this or not, the feeling, the mood is that the "new york times" is auditing his book sales in a way that they wouldn't other people. that is their fear. >> yeah that is exactly right. and there is this theme, you know, you can say that this is all about him trying to have a career after politics. but look bernie sanders, donald
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trump trump, ted cruz, these are people taking on big institutions and all the insiders and there is a real feeling in this country that the little guy is getting screwed. and i think the right candidates are connecting to that. it is very hard for candidates like hillary clinton to appeal to those kind of voters and i think this is ready made for ted cruz's themes. >> bernie sanders and donald trump are both the little guy. peas in a pod. i always think of them together. [ laughter ] ruth, is there any big issue here where the sheer number of republican p candidates and the sheer number of little dramas seem to just draw more attention and independent voters attention than what is going on in the democratic side or that doesn't worry you? >> well i like that we're talking about bernie sanders for a second here. i think he really does appeal to the little guy. i'm not sure i see anybody in
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the republican field that is really going stand out in that way. i they that was rand paul's job. it's possible he'll play that role to really raise these issues that are core moral issues and differentiate yourself from the field. i'm not seeing it so much. i'm seeing squabbling and a huge field and very far right candidates and everybody waiting to see how bush crushes them with his money and maybe walker slides in as the favorite of the koch brothers. but i don't see the pat buchanan sois or the rand paul voice that says we are talking about the economic equality here. >> stay tuned. >> go ahead matt. >> this constant slides on scott walker. if he was so right wing he wouldn't have won in wisconsin. that's a fact and you know it. and you shouldn't keep saying it. >> look where we are economically now and you don't see a lot of smiles. >> cut --
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[ inaudible ] >> best education in any state. >> you should learn your facts -- >> it's terrible here. >> [ inaudible ]. >> tell you what. we should all meet up with the republican legislators who have the facts but still thought part of the budget was crap. their words not mine. plenty to debate here on a nice political friday. thanks for spending time with us. >> have have a great weekend. >> good to be here. >> and if you are watching at home weigh in on the question tonight. pulse.msnbc.com/ed. we're going show the results from you right after the break. and coming up another story we've been following. calls for independent investigations of police incidents now going straight to congress. i'm going talk to congressman steve cowen about his new proposal. also breaking today the head of the opm resigning after data for millions of government workers put at risk. the fall out ahead. [ male announcer ] we know they're out there. you can't always see
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listen, listen. taser. listen. one two three four five -- six cops. on one man. >> now that is from april 4th. a statement released by the philadelphia p.d. authorities say they learned of the video wednesday. internal affairs reviewing the incident. officials say that suspect fought with officers and bit two of them. and also taken to the hospital from injuries that came from quote intentionally striking his own head against the protective shield in the police vehicle. the arrest was for possession of crack cocaine. he currently remains in jail and police say some facts remain to be investigated. it is fair to say parts of this case at least fit a pattern of the police brutality around the nation. incidents that would not get a
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second look do so because of the cell phone. and strained by the exception that a different set of rules is for police conduct with police and das effectively investigating themselves. that's been the story a long time. but that is changing. just this week you may have seen this on the ed show. we interviewed a new york official announcing now independent investigations for police shootings across all of new york state. our next guess, congressman steve cowen has a new bill advocating independent investigations for every state in police shootings. good evening and what would this bill do. >> ari, it would take funds from the state das and considerable funds from the jag burn funds which comes to about $260 million national each year.
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would take 20% from them if they don't set up a the system that is fair and unbiased when there is injury to a citizen. it cannot work when there is a da who has to work hand in glove with the law enforcement. and often times the investigators for the da are retired law enforcement personnel. and if a da indicts a local law enforcement person there is a good likelihood that the local law enforcement cohorts are not going to like that and not cooperate and work with the da in the future. >> we've seen that dynamic play out. and yet covering these issue, i talked to a lot of folks in law enforcement who say their view is these kind of proposals, the state one i just mentioned in new york and "ed show" viewers may have remembered that on this week. or your national proposal. they view it as an inuation that-- insinuation that the das are not up to the task as been fair
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minded. they view it as an insult. >> i don't think it is. first there is the appearance of inpropriety. and a justice system you need to be beyond the appearance. so there is the appearance. the second thing is i was the police legal adviser in memphis, tennessee. my first job out of law school. i know o how this process works with policemen and das. they are all good poem, or mostly good people who try to do their jobs. but it's different to do justice when you work hand in glove to do justice the way it should be or present a case the way it should be. because you are going to injure your relationship. and we've seen it in the past where police have done certain police strikes when das have taken action. that shouldn't even be a possibility of happening. as the wrongful appearance and it frees up the da and it also means law enforcement. doesn't mean that the new prosecutor is definitely going to bring an indictment. they may be inclined to be pro
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prosecution too because of where they work. but it won't be working with the same people who are living in their communities and their witnesses. >> won't be the same relationship. you mention it is a lot of money. jag funding in illinois was about 11.5 million last year. 20% of that -- >> 2.2. >> yep. 2.2. is that really enough money to change state's actions on the ground? >> hopefully it is. but it is the only hammer we have on the federal side. i don't think we're going to see too much legislation on the state side because the das have such a strong group. most of the das are elected and politically very strong with the state legislatures and i think they would propose taking the power away even though it would free them of this appearance. and the unions also have strengths too. they like the cozy relationship they have right now.
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they aren't concerned. they like the relationship as it exists. the fact that they question it tells you it needs to change. >> that's a good point. and governor cuomo himself said he ran into a lot of opposition from the das in his interview with reverend sharpton this week. while we have you, other big news today, emerging the fbi saying that the gun that was used in that horrific mass murder in charleston by dylann roof was obtained illegally. your thoughts on that? and i know in your rule in the committee you have some gun regulation ideas as well. >> we need to tighten up loopholes in gun laws that would allow people to purchase guns when they shouldn't. and in this case i'm not exactly sure what happened but apparently information about the past criminal conviction or arrest was not given appropriately to the right source that would have stopped the sale of the gun. maybe there needs to be more time. maybe there needs to be other issues. but we ought to put people first and there have been too many people killed by guns in this
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country and here is a situation where somebody was killed with a gun that was illegally possessed and nine people tragically lost their lives. this should cause the congress to take action. i doubt it will because the nra has such a hold over the most of the people in this congress particularly on the republican side. but we need to think about what guns have caused in the loss of life. people have lost family members. people have lost their lives. >> yeah i hear you on that and a lot of people looking at this type of situation and saying if something was broken then let's fix it. nobody i think can stand up in the country and say this was someone who should have had that gun in advance of those terrible deeds. congressman cohen, thank you for joining us tonight. i want to turn now to james peterson msnbc contributor and director of studies at he lie university -- lehigh university. that is story that a lot of
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people care about and i think a story when you look at the way the perception and expectation of these investigations are changing, tell me if you agree with the premise that little by little there is a re-thinking going on at least in some states, about these conflicts of interest and the need to have oversight in police-involved shootings. >> we can be hopeful about it. i don't want to get my hopes up too high. but i think congressman cohen should be commended here just for pushing the idea the very fact that local police and das when they work together on cases where law enforcement are alleged to have used excessive force there is an apparent conflict of interest. and we've seen it play out. so this is important just in terms of getting the word out. but the piece we're not talking about is this same bill also calls for training specialized training to where else with therestle
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with the issues of the bias. so i think there is more to this to be commended here and hopefully this bill will actually go through. >> and with the racial aspect of it. the basic feeling is that all of these policing crises have led to this rolling national conversation. and there are people who want to talk about it in terms of crime. and crime is a huge problem in baltimore. i don't think anyone doe nighing that. but if people want to talk about it in terms of police and the threats they are under because they risk their lives and this third piece, the systemic reform piece. do you think the black lives matter movement and grass roots stuff has helped? >> they are interlocking but separate. if we focus on getting law enforcement to do things the right way, to police the right
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way, to rebuild the community trust i think they will do a better job wrestling with issues of crime. here is another thing interesting about representative cohen. earlier this week he reintroduced the transparency act around the data. so we actually need both of representative cohen's bills to go through in order to get the pull full picture. if folks understood the full complexion of the data the number of times this is happening the few amount of times law enforcement are actually being indicted or convicted or even tried, i think if that data was available it would be easier to get the public will and political will to accomplish this particular bill. >> you make a point. peter drucker who said what's measured improves. if you have ever been in any organization where teaching a test in a school or worrying about clicks if you are on a
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website or thinking about the goals, the federal government and fbi director to your point said the same thing. they don't even have the ability to track the shootings because there is no national data. we pt want citizens shootings down and we want police involved shootings to be done because but don't want the police killing people. >> right. but the thing is when the state is doing it ari, that proposes a certain kind of danger. especially when doing it with impunity. there is a high conviction rate that goes along with the homicide rates particularly in areas of concentrated poverty. but when you look at rates of indictment or rates of going to trial the law enforcement officers who have been accused of using excessive force the numbers are really low. so getting the data from the transparency act i think will help get the political will required to get this act on the table. and this is really important. it is the training as well as having the independent prosecutors in terms of the
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actual cases and the indictment processes and the grand jury process. if we can pool all of these things together the black lives matter movement will be successful in terms of getting us to have the right kind of conversations and in terms of pushing politicals and political representatives to make the right kind of policy. >> well put and appreciate you raising those ore parts of the issue. james peterson thanks as always for joining. >> thank you. >> and still to come the scope of that government data hack growing it. could effect you. we're going to look at how many people are impacted and who might be hacking u.s. government systems. and up next it is history. we're going to look at what the removal of the confederate flag means for south carolina. what do you think of when you think of the united states postal service? exactly. that's what pushes us to deliver smarter simpler faster sleeker earlier fresher harder farther quicker
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after all the hacking, heads are rolling in washington. the breaking news is that obama oi appointee katherine archuleta resigned. she is out in response to a massive breech more than 22 million people having their data stolen by hackers. that breach is so broad, it means that roughly 1 in 15 americans affected by this hack. social security records, health records, family information. and there are reports that chinese hackers are the leading suspects in this breech. joining me now is sean henry, who served in head of the civil
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and crime response in the fbi. thanks for joining us. where does this hack fit in the scale of previous attacks? >> i think you have to look at the totality of this particular hack. it is not necessarily the number of records. we've seen credit cards stolen and other records stolen in the hundreds of millions. the issue here is the type of data stoenl. and in this case you are talking about personnel records, mental health records of people who are executives and the employees within the government. fingerprints that have been taken. really everybody's basic dna has been collected. and when i say dna i'm talking about their personal information. >> who would want to do this? >> this looks like it is an intelligence collection by a foreign intelligence service. the government has said it is china. we've done. it's done for the purpose of
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mapping whose who in the government. if you can map high level officials to key programs or agencies and then you are able to find out their vulnerabilities maybe because they have submitted information. you tie them and connect them to neighbors, family member personal friends, you are able to start to assess people as targets to potentially target them from a human perspective or to collect this massive database. it is like ancestry.com for the government. >> opm is basically the human resources department of the federal government. do they have less security or less controls than what we consider the better actors that specialize in this? i would imagine at this point, if your theory is right, if this is a mapping operation for vun rabltd of our officials then the security part of our government would be pretty concerned. >> i think that is right. i think there have been some
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statements by the white house, the administration, positive statements, to talk about making sure there is this 30 day sprint and there are going to be actions taken to shore up the entire government. this is an issue that's been going on long-term throughout the government. we've known about this issue for about 15 years or so and there's been a lot of money and strategies that have been employed. i think this is certainly a wake up call for everybody. i think those that haven't taken it seriously recognize this is important. so i expect we're going to see positive movement in that area. >> you talk about chinese -- what was your wording, groups? >> yes. cam pains. >> yeah. at what point do the researchers and intel folks in our government have the ability to figure out whether that is something that's happening in china, that benefits the chinese government or that is command and controlled by the government because that is would take us more towards the line of figuring out maybe perhaps not formal act of war. but when these cyber espionage
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operations are really government to government can't we go back to the source? >> i think so. espionage has been going thousands of years. since the romans and greeks many years ago. technology has enabled it and made it much more effective and efficient. and that means there is a lot more collection that is ongoing. governments accept that there are certain pieces of collection that are authorized and then there are certain things that you shouldn't do. much like in a shooting war you can't target the red crosses. you can't target civilian targets. same thing in this space. that needs to be clearly defined as the technology increases, the rules of war need to be mapped out. >> and doesn't it matter that we have such an expansive and assertive global surveillance program? does it matter that we're not necessarily in the position to say don't come at us when we are vacuuming up everything we can? or is that silly because there is no moral authority that is going to dissuade this kind of stuff anyway? >> i would say there are some
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governments who might say there is no moral thorgt authority. from the u.s. perspective, the u.s. government the one difference between the u.s. and chinese and others is the u.s. is not collecting commercial data. not breaking into the foreign company, stealing their intellectual property research and development and providing it to the u.s. companies which then benefit. that is a big difference with other nations targeting the u.s. for those very key pieces of information to help their economy. so that they can compete on the global scale. and the u.s. has had we're not doing it. it is not right. it is not fair. we're not going to do that. that is a big change. >> and this is one of the stories people hear over and over. oh hackicng credit cards. this seems to be going in a much broader and bigger direction. shawn, thank you for joining us. up next the story about the future of plane travel. it is bizarre. wait till you see new seating charts one company wants to put in the air.
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female sports team has been given this kind of ticker tape parade in more than 50 years since a female athlete has received the honor. and as the confederate flag comes down in south carolina the ncaa lifting their 15 year ban. that college sports organization has protested the flag by not allowing states like south carolina to host ncaa events. the organization supported the flag's removal and said it sends an important message of respect and dignity of every person. added the removal of the flag now means that south carolina can bid to host future ncaa championships. football bowl games baseball tournaments and of course march madness. stick around. a lot more ed show right after this use freeze it to prevent new purchases on your account in seconds. and once you find it you can switch it right on again. you're back! freeze it, only from discover. get it at discover.com. song: rachel platten "fight song" ♪
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but a little less crazy. we're doing everything we can to give you the best experience possible. because we should fit into your life. not the other way around. all right. anyone who commutes can relate to the feeling that things ain't what they used to be. overcrowding on trains and buses is common though americans don't have it the worst. in some countries overcrowding is so bad subway workers will physically cram commuters into trains. now there's a company exploring that sardine approach for our friendly skies. check out this new design from an airline seat supplier. zodiac seats france just painted this seating configuration. this is a new patent you can see. the design packs airline passengers by linking forward facing and backward facing seats. if you're sit with strangers, compare for a lot of eye contact.
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in its patent papers the company explains shoulder pace overlaps with the shoulder pace of one back-facing seats. airlines have made a lot of money charging extra fees for things that used to be automatic like checking a bag. some day people may be paying extra money just to avoid being seated like this. joining me now right here in studio is nick watt host of "watt's world" on the travel channel. and remotely emily kaufman, the travel mom famous for her writings and "today" show appearances. >> hi, it's good to be with you. >> let's start right here. you can see this thing. this is a real nightmare. just randomly from the onion or a joke but this is what some airline suppliers think is the next wave. >> you know nothing surprises me about the airlines since a couple of years ago that irish carrier suggested they might charge people to use the rest rooms. going to be a coin slot. there was another configuration where people were going to be
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sort of semi-standing. that really didn't go anywhere. the only positive i can see if your back is to the direction of travel, that's actually safer. >> is it? >> if you're in a crash, your back takes the impact. that's the one positive. >> if you're here -- this is what i see. if you're here and, like your best friend or companion's here or if you just recently fell in love and you can't be separated, that's great. but for strangers, which is what happens a lot, this middle seat is a nightmarep about you fall asleep in the middle seat turbulence wakes you up and someone is standing over your bed. year next to each other, snoring, next to total strangers. this, a bridge too far. >> emily? >> i'm thinking it would be more cost effective for the airlines to put handrails and we can all just stand and hold on to the handrail or the overhead handrail instead of sitting in those seats. if the ultimate goal is to
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create more space, why not give the space to us instead of creating more seats, give us more space, make it a little bit more comfortable. i think this is painfully awkward. as somebody who travels frequently and for anybody who plans to travel in the future i am begging whoever is considering this stop. there is just everything wrong about it. i can't really think of anything that's right about it. >> do you think this could really happen? >> realistically, i'm hoping it can't happen. there are so many different details that need to be considered. safety, the boarding process, selling that middle seat. i can't imagine that this can really possibly happen. this looks like an idea concept drawings that came up but please don't let it be a reality. >> it does look like an idea. i will give you that. we've got another mock-up of it. this is from these global patents. you see it nick. we wanted to do this standing up so you can really take it in. it's horrific. >> it seems that the middle
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passenger actually might have to have his or her hands on the nice of the -- >> it looks that even in this -- this is the best case right? the drawing -- it's never going to get better than the drawing and they're getting real interlocking there. >> sleeping on a plane for me is key, the way i sleep is hoodie up because if you think about the fact that there's are people next to you, it's hard to sleep. you have to get in your zone. the only other benefit i can think if it's cheap, i like a cheap airline seat. >> sure. >> i like to pay as little as i can, when i get to the place i'm going, use the money i save from a dreadful flight experience to enjoy myself. i might do it. >> for a price break. that's the thing, emily. i was on one of these websites once, and they asked me if i wanted to upgrade premium. you pay extra last minute. and it was just a normal aisle seat that they were just selling as premium. that's shareless. >> that's the standard of the
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industry that they reserve those seats for their elite flyers they upgrade them as premium seats. i flew from new york to l.a. yesterday and seriously i didn't talk to the person sitting next to me. it's not that i don't like making friends, but it's the one place, believe it or not, if my husband or children heard me saying this they wouldn't believe it. i don't talk to people on the plane. how do you not engage when you're sitting there staring face-to-face with someone. how do you doze off? how do you get comfortable. how do you get in and out? i just think it's a real disaster waiting to happen. >> isn't there something sort of cultural here? because i can tell you when i first moved to manhattan, one of the things i notice is even on the subway where you're jammed together there's a little bit of an etiquette that you don't look right into someone. you can be like if nick and i were here on the subway you can be this close, real close, but you avert. but that's 10 15 minutes. this is -- what would you do? >> i cannot imagine
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transatlantic, transcontinental flight sitting in this configuration. it looks like everybody's groping one another from the way that they're showing the pictures. i suppose there's a reality series in the making. we've got dating naked, how about flying across the country with strangers. make a new show. >> and bonding. you as travel mom talk about family dynamics a lot. tell us anything you would think of that could be positive here for families. >> i tell you, for families that want to sit together you certainly can be seated together in that environment, but what if you're the person who's not traveling with your family who ends up in that little pod and you don't want to be there? so i think for families and for seating that could potentially work. i just don't understand how that's going to help with the boarding process or getting on or off. i understand it's about selling more seats, putting more seats on the plane, but i think it will be a turnoff and deterrent to people flying. >> what's the worst travel
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experience you have had on a plane? >> oh, my gosh, i've had so many. the grossest thing i've ever seen, though is the people that let their babies crawl around on the floor of the plane and it's all dirty and icky. or the people that go into the rest room barefoot. come on people what are we thinking here? >> your worst time on a plane? >> my 3-year-old son l.a. to london screamed so hard he burst a blood vessel in his neck. >> oh my god. >> my wife and i fought like we never fought before. >> that was nobody's fault. >> no but we're stressed the baby's crying. when your baby cries, you worry about the other people. worst night of my life. yeah. >> i can't top either of those. but this was fun. and for regular "ed show" viewers, this is a fitting end to the week because you know it's not the normal "ed show" when we're partying with these ridiculous flight seats. i hope it doesn't become a reality. thanks for joining us. >> thanks for having me. >> that's the "ed show."
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you can follow me on facebook. ed will be back on monday so this stint is over. i'm happy to tell you "politics nation" with reverend al sharpton starts right now. tonight on "politics nation" his starry day in south carolina. the confederate flag is down but the fight's not over. we're live at the statehouse. also does jeb bush have a mitt romney problem? bush is raking in the money, and trying to clarify those comments about american workers. and why the gop is stuck with donald trump? a new poll revealed why republicans may actually be too scared to hit back. we start with breaking news from south carolina. a moment of history a