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tragedy that should never have happened. the fbi revealing today that the shooter in the charleston massacre should never have had a gun. he was only sold the gun because of a failure in the background check system. that revelation adding a special poignancy to the historic scene today. as we all watched the confederate flag come down at the statehouse. it's prompting new discussions of race and history all across the country. we saw one take place today literally in the shadow of the flag itself. >> i do not fly this flag in the name of race imor any type of white power or supremacy. >> okay good. >> what i want is for the state that represents all of us to not fly that flag. as an individual, we respect your every right to fly that
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flag. nobody is taking that flag from you. nobody is burning that flag. i respect to you. i'm talking to you as a person because we are human. we are human beings. and we deserve that respect for the state that represents us all to govern itself that way. it should not just fly this flag alone. >> so would you say the same thing about an african heritage flag. >> if it was up here? >> yeah. >> of course because that does not govern everybody. that does not stand for everybody. that's not fair to everybody. >> we've heard a lot of talk about a national conversation about race. well, that's what it looks like. and we'll need to talk about it because the passions on this subject run deep. as we saw when the flag came down. the state highway patrol honor guard carried the flag off the
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grounds for good moving it to a museum. and ours later the pole that held the flag up for years came down too. people were filled with emotion. >> something i didn't think i would probably see in my lifetime. >> it's given people an excuse to be mean and ugly. and today it's a totally different ball game. >> it's a historical moment. it's been in the making for 53 years. i wanted to make sure that my grandchildren and my son would be able to tell their children when they get older about the confederate flag being removed from the statehouse grounds. joining me now from the statehouse are state representatives leon howard and caesar mcknight. thank you both for being here. >> thank you, reverend. >> thank you reverend sharpton. >> representative mcknight, what does it mean to you to know that, for the first time in your
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life, the flag is not flying on the statehouse grounds in south carolina? >> reverend al i never thought that i would see this day. i just got elected in november. and we had freshman orientation for new members in december. and i remember walking back from lunch and walking past the confederate flag and saying out loud to myself i want that flag to go but i doubt that it would ever happen. i'm glad that i don't have the ultimate say and god does because we see what can happen in a few short months and how history can change for the better. >> representative howard, what did it mean to you? >> reverend sharpton thank you for this opportunity. it meant so much to me. i was so excited to sew the flag finally come down. i've been on the battlefield quite some time along with you and others you know so i just thought it would never happen. but unfortunately we paid such a major price for this day with
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the loss of our friends and colleagues and loved ones in the state of south carolina in the charleston massacre. >> you know representative mcknight, the governor nikki haley spoke to matt lauer on the "today" show this morning of being proud of her state today. listen to this. >> the statehouse, that's an area that belongs to everyone. and no one should ever drive by the statehouse and feel pain. i think you can look at the way south carolina responded to this tragedy and we can all say that hopefully the emmanuel nine are looking down and feeling proud today. >> you know as i said to her at one of the funerals she and i disagreed. i've even been in marches in front of where you're standing. but as much as part of me says why did it take nine innocent people dying for people to see the egregious nature of the flag, the other part of me says if they hadn't done anything it
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would have been even worse. and we should be proud how people responded today. representative mcknight. >> i agree wholeheartedly with your sentiments reverend al. i echo the sentiments that the governor said with matt lauer today. the grounds of the statehouse belong to all the people of south carolina. and the only spirit that should be conveyed on these grounds is a spirit of unity and not division. and we could not have a spirit of unity at the statehouse grounds with the confederate battle flag flying ahead. so i, too, feel the way that you do, that why did it take the deaths of nine people who were only at church worshiping and coming closer with the lord but i'm glad that something good came out of the tragedy. i'm hopeful that we can spring forward and make some more substantive changes in the state as well. >> representative howard you've been out there on the battlefield and you know that this is a great day, but the battle does not end the war. we still have a lot of battles
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to fight, issues to go forward. how will you and the state legislators that are committed to fairness and equality how will we go forward now telling people is not enough just to take the flag down. we still have to deal with other issues. >> thank you, reverend sharpton. you're exactly right. we have to deal with other issues like economic development, health care. in south carolina state government is the biggest contributor to slave wages where african-americans are not paid fairly. they're paid less than their counterpart. when i go in gas stations and buy gas and i see young african-americans buy lottery tickets. and they educate young white kids not to promote african-americans at a fair pay zale at the
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scale at the lorettery commission. we ask each state agency to provide an organizational structure chart to see where we stand in turns of economics. it's about economic enslavement at this point. >> representative mcknight, i want to go back to the headline today. the fbi says dylann roof the charleston shooter, should not have been sold a gun. what's your reaction to hearing that? >> i'm hurt by that. let me first say that i am a gun owner. and my parents are gun owners. and i don't believe that there's a one size fit all gun control solution for the entire united states. my parents live in rural south carolina and we have fine law enforcement. but for law enforcement to reach my parents' home it takes about 45 minutes. i can't advocate a position that would leave my parents at the mercy of an intruder for 45 minutes. i believe that law-abiding citizens should be able to own a firearm. that being said we need a system of background checks that
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work. the fact that this background system check failed with regard to mr. roof is quite telling that we need to revisit the issue and tighten up -- we need to close the gun show loophole. when people are selling guns between each other, they need to do a background check, the same way you do it in a store. you do it in a store,y you fill out a form they take down your social security number and they make a phone call and they learn whether or not you can buy a firearm. it's that simple. the excuses that have been put forward for the last few years why we shouldn't have background checks or expand background checks just don't hold water any more. >> as you've outlined some of the road ahead and battles ahead and you and others have battled these issues a long time will you hope that in the primaries south carolina becomes a key primary state for the republicans and the democrats? i know because i ran into one
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about 10 11 years ago. what issues will you force the presidential candidates to deal with in light of this historic day and in light of the focus that has been put on south carolina with this tragedy and massacre? >> well reverend sharpton the thing that we'll have to continue to work on education, health care and building generations of wealth where our young people can be independent and be able to provide a good quality of life for their families. we're missing the boat you know to take the battle flag down is wonderful, we all worked many years to do that. but we should not allow this state to treat our citizens with education that are qualified less than our counterparts. so often african-americans train their bosses over and over to get the better jobs and the better wages. >> representative mcknight, there are still some states
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tonight, mississippi, georgia, arkansas, florida, that still have either flags or themes of the confederate. what do you hope those citizens and those states looking at what happened today in south carolina, what do you hope they see and do about those remnants of the confederacy that's still in their state? >> i hope they can learn from what we've seen in south carolina over the past month. there have been opportunities for us to fall into the abyss of hatred and division, but we've decided to step up and step into the future together as one. we've decided in south carolina collectively that symbols of hate have no place within the state grounds, on state property. i think there's room in places for mississippi and other places that have confederate themes to identify that those themes do have a proper place, and they belong in a museum. however, when it's the people's house, like our statehouse, and when it's the people's grounds, like our state grounds, they
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need to remove those symbols as well so they can have an all inclusive government that just doesn't bar some of the people but involves everyone. >> representatives leon howard and cezar mcknight, thank you both for your time. i want you to know representative howard i notice how you made it clear that you and i were not in the generation of brother cezar tonight. i just want you to know i caught that. still ahead, reaction of the families of the beautiful nine. i'll talk to a cousin of the youngest victim of the charleston massacre. also a new headache for the gop. donald trump says he's teaming up with clint eastwood. what could possibly go wrong? and we'll look at how democrats are hoping to use their 2012 game plan for mitt romney against jeb bush in 2016. all that plus president and
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as the confederate flag came down in south carolina family members of the charleston massacre victims stood with governor nikki haley to watch history unfold. this conversation about the flag started with their courage and their grace. the youngest victim tawanza sanders was shot as he protected his mother. and he died reaching to help another victim.
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his family and the others inspired the country last month when they spoke directly to the shooter in court. >> we welcomed you wednesday night in our bible study with open arms. you have killed some of the most beautifulest people that i know. every fiber in my body hurts, and i'll never be the same. tywanza sanders is my son. but tywanz warks was my hero. tywanza was my hero. as we said in bible study, we enjoyed you. but may god have mercy on you. >> joining me now is tywanza sanders' cousin dr. tinetta
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scott. first of all, dr. scott, i'm very sorry for your loss. >> thank you. >> you were very close to your cousin. what do you think tywanza would have thought watching the flag come down? >> yes, tywanza was my first cousin. to know that the flag came down as a result of the assassination of him and eight others i think he would be proud now that history has been made and that he's a part of that history. >> i think that not only the assassination, which is one of the most despikable acts we'll ever see, but the way your family's reacted. the grace and the forgiveness. i think that's what really brought this country to a wake-up call that they had to do something, and this flag was a result. how do you think tywanza would have reacted hearing the statements of the family members that they would not let hate win
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even though he and the eight others were victims? >> tywanza was about positivity all the time. he was always encouraging. so to see that we have a heart of forgiveness, i think that exemplifies his life within us. so he would be proud of the way that we stand up and that we still have a sense of unity as well as pride and forgiveness for the young man who did this shooting. >> how is the family doing? >> the family's doing very well. they're taking it day by day, but overall we're doing really well. continuing to stay positive continuing to stay uplifted and to be a support for each other. >> the fbi said today that your cousin's killer was sold a gun illegally. what's your reaction to that? >> it shows that we have a gun issue. not only did the flag come down but we have a further gun control issue about legalization of guns and the access to hook
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get guns. >> as you move forward and going on with your own life and your own career do you feel that this will redouble your commitment to do things that tywanz warks tywanza would have wanted and expected of you as a cousin who is as close as a sister to him? >> yeah tywanza had high expectations for not only himself but his family. so that his death is not in vain we live his life continually through our lives. one thing i'll do is continue to focus on the dreams and making his life a legacy. >> what do you hope history will remember tywanza and the other victims of the massacre as? >> as heroes and themselves. they stood up even though they died, they stood up for a cause. they stood up for a reason. and their lives and their
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purpose was intentional. god had a reason for them being at that particular place at that particular time. so that their lives, there's a reason behind this. and maybe it's because of the flag coming down. maybe it's for gun laws being regulated better. whatever the situations that unfolds from the death of these nine people i know that there's a purpose behind it. >> dr. tonetta scott, our prayers are with you and your family and all of the families. and thank you for sharing your memories of tywanza tonight. >> thank you so much. >> we'll be right back. ot your back. your friends have your back. your dog's definitely got your back. but who's got your back when you need legal help? we do. we're legalzoom, and over the last 10 years, we've helped millions of people protect their families and run their businesses. we have the right people on-hand to answer your questions backed by a trusted network of attorneys. so visit us today for legal help you can count on. legalzoom. legal help is here.
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one man show -- i mean campaign -- on the road this weekend. tonight he's in los angeles getting ready to talk to a group of hollywood conservatives including, he says clint eastwood. protests from immigrant right groups are expected tonight. i wonder if he'll be talking more tonight about that tone it down call from the rnc? >> he really called to congratulate me on being number one in a lot of polls. so he called sean very simply to say, unbelievable that he's never seen anything quite like it. and he just couldn't have been nicer. i just don't know how the story got out. nobody called us for verification. and honestly i can't blame him, unless he gave out the story, which is possible. probably he did. >> trump also saying the rnc chair knows better than to lecture him. so this is a real problem, but it might be one they helped
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create, asking him for endorsements giving him air time letting his birther antics continue. now, trump is number one in a new national poll. he says his campaign had to move at an arizona event to a bigger space because so many people wanted to attend. and this week there was no oxygen for other candidates. >> you wouldn't even be hearing for the word "immigration" if it wasn't for dold trump. a lot of money, but fortunately i'm very rich. it doesn't matter to me. people agree with what i say. i've had tremendous success. >> do you accept that president obama was born in the united states? >> i really don't know. >> you don't know. >> i don't know why he wouldn't release his records. tell you something, if i get the nomination, i'll win the latino vote. i'll win it because i'm going to create jobs. jeb bush is a disaster in so many different ways. there's nothing to apologize for. there's nothing to apologize for.
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>> joining me now are victoria defran chesso soto and bill press. thank you both for being here. >> hi reverend al. >> thank you, reverend. >> bill trump says he's meeting with eastwood this weekend. he's got the big event in arizona. what do you imagine is happening in the -- at the rnc office tonight? >> i think they're nervous as hell. maybe they're going to have to make another phone call. as you suggested earlier. but look two things about this clint eastwood meeting. number one, the only thing more embarrassing to the republican party than clint eastwood's empty chair caper is going to be donald trump on stage august the 6th coming up in the first republican debate. they can't keep him out of that debate. he's number one in the national polls. he is going to embarrass the whole party and he's going to attack everybody else who is on that stage. the other thing is i think it's significant that clint eastwood of all the candidates, is hanging out with donald trump.
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because whatever you think of him, clint eastwood is a hero to the republican party. the fact that he's with trump to me says donald trump is the face of the republican party today, and that's got to be bad news for 2016. >> now, let me be real clear, trump has said this. eastwood has not confirmed it yet. >> all right. >> but i wouldn't be surprised, bill. >> i wouldn't either. >> victoria protesters are planning to rally outside donald trump's event. one group has said -- i want to show you what they're planning. >> the action fund plans a protest outside with trump pinatas in hand. >> we're going to have a pinata to show how much of a caricature mr. trump has become. >> i mean how much of a nerve has trump hit here victoria? >> he has definitely hit a nerve. there's always been this anti-immigrant sentiment in the republican party that waxes and wanes. we really saw it come forward in
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the 2010 election. it laid dormant, poked its head up in 2012 now he's harnessed it and he's running with it. the real difference between now and 2010 is that the moderate chamber of customers republicans kept quiet in 2012 and let the anti-immigrant rhetoric roll. what are they doing at the rnc headquarters, what is reince priebus doing? they know that it is crucial to a white house bid and to the survival of the republican party. donald trump has hit a nerve and the republican party doesn't know what to do with it. >> bill having said that they're nervous but "the new york times" says that the gop can't fire trump, writing that a republican victory in 2016 is quote, mathematically delicate.
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and the party's quote, depending on aging, anxious white voters make it exceedingly perilous for the republican party to treat mr. trump as the pariah many of its leaders now wish he would become. this is perhaps why some -- this is perhaps why some have been delicate with trump, i would put it that way. pretty telling, isn't it? >> no it really is. reince priebus might have given donald trump a telephone call. i don't know how long it lasted. but he's not publicly condemned trump. some of the candidates may be grumbling but they've not condemned him, not repudiated him and not thrown him out of the party. you know why? because he's just like the rest of them. none of them support immigration reform. none of them support climate change, think it's a problem. every one of them disagreed with the supreme court ruling on same-sex marriage. donald trump is like every one of the other 16 republican
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candidates except he's got a bigger mouth. and he's saying publicly what they think privately. >> now, victoria lindsey graham did ramp it up though. listen to this. >> well i think he said something that has brought people who are frustrated about the immigration system to life but he also said it in a way that's going o kill my party. i would prefer that donald trump bring his economic genius and his talents to the table in more constructive ways. >> now, is he just punching up victoria? because he's so low in the polls? >> i think so. if he just mentions donald trump in a sentence that raises his poll numbers. this economic genius of donald trump, if he were such an economic genius he'd understand basic supply and demand economics. the reason immigrants come here is because there's a supply of jobs. there's demand here. you can build all the walls you want but if the united states
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if the employers here in this country keep looking to hire immigrants, no wall is going to keep immigrants out. and that's the basic fact that donald trump keeps missing and, quite frankly, the rest of the republican party. i don't see this economic genius anywhere. >> well he will be in arizona and l.a. this weekend, and -- >> watch out. >> we will be watching. watch out is right, bill. thank you, bill press and victoria defrancesco-soto. thank you for your time tonight. have a nice weekend. coming up senator bernie sanders attacks jeb bush for policies that support the wealthy and the powerful. plus we had a big party here in new york for the u.s. women's soccer team. and our "politics nation" cameras were there. and top chefs. the kids show off their dishes at the white house today.
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>> today we learned that jeb bush's super pac raised over $100 million in a few months. and this money is clearly coming from the wealthiest people in this country. it is no accident that jeb bush and other republican candidates who take huge amounts of money from the wealthy and the powerful come up with an agenda that represents the wealthy and the powerful. >> in fairness there's big money on all sides including democrats. but it's not just the money. it's also bush's policies. and statements like this one. >> my aspiration for the country, and i believe we can achieve it is 4% growth as far as the eye can see, which means we have to be a lot more productive, workforce participation has to rise from its all-time modern lows.
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it means that people need to work longer hours. and through their productivity gain more income for their families. that's the only way we're going to get out of this rut that we're in. >> americans are already working record hours. and democrats jumped all over that statement. bush clarified saying he was calling for more full-time openings for people who want them but it isn't good when the top gop candidate has to explain a comment about american workers. economic gaffes and right wing trickle-down theories i think i've seen something like this before. joining me now are angela rye and ryan grim. thanks for being here. angela, you heard bernie sanders. will this be the line of attack on jeb bush that he's out of touch and represents the wealthy in power? >> i think that's just one of the attacks, rev. i honestly think the other big
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attack that's reasonable is that this guy is the king of the walk-backs. he has not a walk it out campaign but a walk-back campaign. he's continually telling us that this is not what he meant to say, or clarifying. he also walked back that he wouldn't have gone into iraq. so this is going to continue to be a problem for him. he's got to say what he means and mean what he says long term. i think folks believe he's out of touch. he comes from a very privileged family. not one but two presidents. i think, of course hillary clinton is privileged too, but what do you do with that privilege? do you continue to surround yourself with people who think just like you think and do just like you do and have the same amount of money that you have to spend and then also do things to only protect those people or do you expand that circle? and we have yet to see if jeb bush is willing to do that? it certainly doesn't look that way. >> ryan earlier this year there were headlines about jeb bush trying to show he's not another mitt romney by focusing on the
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poor. and we heard jeb bush talk about poverty. listen. >> we have a record number of americans on food stamps and living in poverty. the opportunity gap is the defining issue of our time. more americans are stuck at their income levels than ever before. it's very hard for people to go from the bottom rungs of the economy to the top or even to the middle. this should alarm you. >> how worried do you think the bush people are about the comparisons to mitt romney? >> you know i think they're pretty worried in this sense. you know his brother, george bush, also you know the son of an extremely wealthy connecticut family, got around that image with his -- by being quite a good politician. whether you like him or not, he was quite good at the kind of aw shucks texan persona that made him seem like this everyman. and even though he didn't drink
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any more polls consistently said voters would much rather have a beer with him, you know than al gore or john kerry. so that kind of excuses a lot of the wealth the privilege and the policies in the mind of a lot of voters. jeb bush is not a good politician, like angela's saying, he's the king of the walk-back lately. there's no evidence that he's going to get a lot better at it because he's never been good over his career as a politician. and his business career you know, he doesn't have the baggage that mitt romney has of necessarily working for, you know, all of these investments that led to so many layoffs but in some cases it was even worse because he was trading on a lot of his political connections and landing on the boards of a lot of dodgy companies and making millions of dollars doing it. and people don't understand what did you even do? what does it mean you're named to a board and get paid a lot of money to do what show up and vote yes on ceo compensation. so where does he come up with the defense against the question
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that you're asking? and, you know it's a tricky one for him. >> now, there's also the policy debate. and angela hillary clinton is supposed to come with the opposite type of economic policies. "the new york times" reports hillary clinton's economic plan will include prekindergarten for all 4-year-olds, expanded access to child care paid sick days and paid family leave, helping to make college students as debt-free as possible a higher minimum wage and company profit sharing for employees. now, this is the contrast to the right we're going to see in this battle for the white house. what will republicans say to these proposals, angela? >> i think we know from their history that these are all proposals they do not support. they have had ample time to support them under this presidential administration with president barack obama. they have not demonstrated that.
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you know even listening to jeb bush talking about americans needing to work more hours. well, he hasn't talked about the pay disparity. you showed the clip of him in detroit talking about, you know these are things we need to be paying attention to. pay attention to for what purpose? what is the solution after you pay attention to them? we all know they're facts. what are you going to do to resolve them? i certainly don't think there's any room for a progressive agenda for hillary clinton on the republican side. >> how do you think they fight her agenda? how does this debate go? and how is the contrast with her policy positions and theirs? >> i think we're looking at a base election where both parties are going to be trying to energize their people get them to the polls. republicans clearly, you know 100 million plus shattering all records, are going to have all the money that they need to do that. and they're going to zero in on states where hillary clinton
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assuming that she's the nominee, doesn't poll well. you know, their polls are having her down in the low 40s in places like colorado. if somebody like bush can maybe pick up a little bit of the latino vote plus drive out the base with the resources that they have then you know they think they can take what is maybe, you know a 51/49 election and move it over in their direction. i don't think you're going to sew a whole lot of contrasting around those populous issues that the republicans will be pushing opportunity, deregulation, tax cuts get the government out of the way and let the country grow that sort of thing. i don't think they'll try to match what hillary's doing. >> angela rye and ryan grim thank you both for your time tonight. have a great weekend. >> you too, reverend. >> thank you, rev. coming up the surprise guest at kids state dinner at
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submitted original and creative healthy recipes in a competition to make it to the big event. and look who made a surprise appearance. >> the food looks outstanding. >> yes. >> i particularly impressed with the barack-a-mole. so i'm expecting people to save me a little sampling of the barack-a-mole. in terms of encouraging young people to eat healthy, what really helps is when their friends at school are all like oh you're having chips? i'm sorry. i'm having the barack-a-mole. >> barack-a-mole? is that with or without peas? well, i don't know if that fits my strict diet. as the president made the rounds he met the top chef behind his favorite recipe. >> you're the barack-a-mole
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maker? way to go. what's your name? >> aria. good to see you. are you having fun? it looks pretty fun, right? eat you. >> the barack-a-mole goes with it. they pair well together. >> what a clever idea. and hey, looks pretty healthy, too. maybe i can try it. and confetti rained down on manhattan's canyon of heroes as the u.s. women's world cup soccer team was celebrated by thousands of fans this morning in a ticker tape parade. >> i had tears in my eyes. i can't -- i'm so like heartwarming. it was amazing. >> the women's national team actually won a championship, and i'm so proud of them that they had the courage and prosperity to actually make it all the way
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to the end. >> i think this is just the beginning of a world of changes because of this. because of the ticker tape parade. few and far in between. being this is such a big deal. >> even some of the players' own families were in the crowd. one of our producers talked to star midfielder carli lloyd's aunt and cousin. >> just hope she enjoys every bit of this ride because she's worked her whole life for this -- that moment for that day. >> she really like was a great role model for everyone because she showed how she trained really hard, and she never gave up on her dreams. >> the players thanked the fans for their support and reminded them to dream big. >> all the women up here on this stage believed in that dream,
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kept believing in that dream, not only from the time that they were 5, 10 15 but the entire world cup, and i believe that that is the reason why we won this world cup is because none of us ever stopped believing and neither should you guys. thank you guys so much! >> no doubt this team has inspired millions of women and girls all over the world. and they've certainly made america proud. push your enterprise and you can move the world. but to get from the old way to the new you'll need the right it infrastructure. from a partner who knows how to make your enterprise more agile, borderless and secure. hp helps business move on all the possibilities of today. and stay ready for everything that is still to come.
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♪ ♪ ♪ it took serena williams years to master the two handed backhand. but only one shot to master the chase mobile app. technology designed for you. so you can easily master the way you bank. i want to close tonight on this monumental day in american history. this was a martin luther king moment. for 54 years this battle flag flew on south carolina's capitol grounds until today. it was a huge political statement. the public said no longer will we pay to be offended by a
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symbol that represents slavery. >> and i'm so proud of the fact that the rest of the country -- the rest of the world, if you please, got a chance to really see the real soul of south carolina carolina carolinans. they now know that the so-called silent people are now speaking up through their actions. it was a great moment for all. but the reality is we still have flags flying in south africa and south carolina and more work to do even after both of those places have changed. part of my campaign in 2004 was to take this flag down in south carolina, and i'm constantly reminded of its origin. the flag was originally raised to insult the friendship nine civil rights activists who
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refused bail after staging a sit-in at a whites-only lunch counter. over 50 years later, the flag is now being taken down in honor of the beautiful nine killed in the charleston massacre. and we have to give credit to those who made this happen from president obama, to the lawmakers on both sides in south carolina. and to governor nikki haley who has shown leadership in this fight. >> 22 days ago, i didn't know that i would ever be able to say this again, but today i'm very proud to say that it is a great day in south carolina. >> we even shared a hug two weeks ago, and it's in this spirit that we now need to debate the issues. the fight goes on to policy issues voting rights health care criminal justice, the
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economy, but the tone should not be ugly in these debates. the acrimony should be absent. we should remember the beautiful nine and fight and debate with dignity for results. thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton. have a great weekend. "hardball" starts right now. how to thump trump. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm steve kornacki in for chris matthews in new york. donald trump has gone to war with his own party creating the angry working class white vote that it is its life blood and now threatening a mutiny. when word leaked that reince
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