he wants to be here badly. and anybody that wants to come, mr. trump will be here, at mr. trump's request. i said, i don't know, who are these people? who are they? and they said no, you called and you asked. and they said, that is right. i said, i want a letter of apology and they gave it to me. that means they are honorable. semi honorable. pretty good right. it is semi honorable. better than most politicians, let's face it. but it is none honor to be here. and i have so many friends in my audience. i know this is a conservative group, a libertarian group and you don't know what the hell you are talking to in this group. and said, good, you have a lot of libertarians. good. i like rand paul. i do like him. i do. i got to know him a little bit over the last year and he is a good paul. and we actually played a round of golf and he is really a very nice guy and i thought i would

say that. and i can tell you, so many of us and -- i mean i know half of the people and so many of us believe in the same thing. yesterday i had an event that was amazing, and beautiful, and sad and a lot of you watched it. it was on live television. it was covered live. and this is parents who lost their children to illegal immigrants. in some cases they were run over by vehicles and horribly run over, in other cases they were shot -- shot for no reason whatsoev whatsoever, walking down a street. no reason. and it was an amazing thing. and everybody that was there -- i mean reporters, hardened veteran reporters were literally sitting in their chairs and there were tears coming down their eyes. and didn't know that i would be

so much on this -- it has become a movement. a lot of people called me from new york today, veterans, and they said, this is more than about you, donald, this has become a movement. because people don't know what is happening. they just don't know. and i said, what do you mean and how do you define movement? when i leave here, i get on the plane and i go to phoenix, arizona. [ applause ] >> good place, right. it is a good place. i love phoenix. and we originally scheduled a couple of weeks ago, i was going to talk in front of 400-500 people at the biltmore hotel and three days ago we got a call from the built more begging us not to be there. begging us. and that doesn't happen too often. and they said we are going to be overrun with people in support -- total support -- they said thousands of people are

calling and they all want -- and we can't handle it. it is a big hotel, a very big ballroom and we can't handle it. so we started scrambling, and i thought probably i would have to go outside, and if it is a windy day my hair will be blowing, but it is my hair. that is -- it is my hair. you can always tell a dishonest reporter when they say, the other day i had to actually -- a great story, but they said but he wears the worst hairpiece and i said i can't even give anybody that story, but that wasn't true. so i thought my hair would be blowing all over the place because we have about 10,000 people. and it is an amazing thing that is happening. it is an amazing thing that is happening all over the country. and for a while, as you know, they were saying, oh, trump won't run. there is no way he would run. why would he run? he's not going to run.

why would i run? i have a nice life, a have a great company, things are sort of easy. and people said oh, he'll never want to show his financials or he'll never want to do this or that. he'll never run. so then i announced i'm running. then i wasn't going to file my fec original filing. because when you do that, you are making a big step. and i filed it. and then they had -- oh, but he'll never put in his financials, because maybe he's not as rich as people think. not that it matters, but i'm much richer and you'll see that next week. no, you'll see. i mean, you know, it is like crazy. so -- it is true. you've heard that, right. he'll never file. the guys sit up there, he'll never file because he doesn't want to show he's not as rich.

and i said to myself, i want to file because i want to show i'm much, much richer than they say. i'm a private person. nobody knows. and the reason i bring that up, and it is important, because it is the kind of thinking -- i built a great company. low debt, great cash flow. you're going to see it all next week. but a great company. and it is the kind of thinking that we need in this country. i don't want to do it -- i'm not doing it, oh, agree, i made money. i'm doing it because it is the kind of mindset we need in the united states. our tried deals with incompetent done by incompetent people and we have incompetent leadership. [ applause ] >> and whether you are on the libertarian side, and by the way, some incredible points they make, or the conservative side

or the tea party people who i think have been disparaged for years and nobody knows the power of the tea party. nobody knows that. i only say that because the tea party loves me. but it is true. the tea party has such power and they get trivialized. they are always trivialized and nobody knows the power. and that is what is happening a little bit with me. because people are hearing what i'm saying and they believe it. strong military, take care of our vets. our vets are treated like third class citizens. what you hear -- i mean, i've met with a lot of veterans who -- they'll go to a hospital -- by the way, in some cases they'll build a new hospital for $1.5 billion, you can build seven, ten hospitals for that if you knew what you were doing. and they'll get there, and they'll wait if a reception area for four or five days before they even get to see a doctor. they wait for four or five days.

we have to take care of our military. we have to take care of our vets. we have to end obama care and come up with something better. we can repeal that. i have ideas on that. so much better. and not only that, less expensive for the country and much better for the country. because obama care is a disaster. it doesn't kick in until '16. really kick in. the cost is astronomical. doctors are going to be leaving all over the place. they're already leaving the profession. i have a friend that a doctor, and he said donald i'm retiring. he's like 50. he doesn't want to do it any more. he said i have more accountants working for me than i have nurses. it is a real problem. but when you look at what is going on with the country, and i say it all of the time, we don't have victories any more. we used to have victories. we used to be great. and my whole theme is make america great again. that is what it is. we have to. [ applause ]

>> but you can't be great if you don't have a border. you can't. no matter what you do. and you can't be great if china is taking all of our jobs. you know we've rebuilt china. china has made so much money. we have such power over china. but we have leaders that don't know what they are doing. we have trade deals with china with mexico, with japan. in japan, boats come, the biggest boats i've ever seen, i just left los angeles, the biggest boats i've ever seen, thousands of cars, millions of cars coming in. we get nothing. we get cars -- we want to send rice, we want to send corn, they have protesters. the imbalance of these things, they send a car and we send corn. believe me, it is a lot of kosh to make -- corn to make up for a car. and they won't even take our product. and we think we are not dealing

from strength. we have all of the strength. with china, a friend of mine who is a manufacturer, he said it is impossible to deal with them. it is a great manufacturer, smart, tough, makes an incredible product and he said i can't get the product in and when i do they charge me a surtax. and i said what is it, how much? 42%. and i said you have to be kidding. this is a great story. and he said don't get me involved, i don't want to be involved. they don't want to be involved. but they charge -- we don't charge surtax. they manipulate the hell out of thur currency. and by the way, i love china. i sell apartments for 20, 15, $25 million from people from china. the largest bank in the world is from china. they are the tenant in one of my buildings. they are my tenant. i mean, i love china. true. how could you not love china -- i made a deal, i own a big chunk of the bank of america building.

nobody knows this -- nobody knows what i own. forbes they write stories, they have no idea. they have no idea. i love china. i love mexico. i tell everybody. and i love the mexican people. and i said it 100 times. nobody said it -- nobody reports it. i love the spirit of the mexican people. i respect mexico. but the problem is their leaders are much smarter than our leaders. their negotiators are much tougher than our negotiators, they are much more cunning and they kill us at the border. people flow through like water. and they send people through that they don't want. you remember the old days with castro when he emptied his jails and sent them all to the united states. well mexico does similar things in a highly sophisticated and much more sophisticated manner. and we have people in the country -- you look at kate, you look at -- i have a man who is a

friend of mine, jamil shaw, he's with me, he came today, in fact, jamil, where are you? is he around you someplace? one of the finest people. where is jamil? will you come up here for a second. jamil shaw -- he was on one of the big shows, fox on cnn the other day. i never met jamil. and he was talking about trump. and said, oh, no, not more. how much more can you take. and he was talking to me. and i turned on the sound and he said, there is nobody that has helped us. we've been forgotten. the parents of children that have been killed by illegal immigrants. his son was killed by an illegal immigrant. and i said what he is doing now is so important, in honor of his son, just say hello and just give a brief description, jamil, because it is so, so important. he was with me last night, along

with other parents of other children that were likewise killed. please. >> real quick, i don't want to dominate mr. trump. [ applause ] >> thank you. thank you. yeah, like mr. trump was saying, my son was murdered by sunil legally in the country. they were brought here when they were 4 years old and allowed to grow up like a wild animal pretty much. my son was walking home from the mall one day like everybody's kids do, go to the mall on sunday afternoon. we went to a football clinic in pasadena on the way home and he asked could i go, and i let him go and i said be home by 7:00, around 7:00 i called him and i said where are you? and he said i'll be home soon, i caught the wrong bus and i'll be there in another hour. and i'll give you a call. and an hour later i called him and i said where are you at?

and he said i'm right around the corner, i'll be there in a few minutes. and then i heard the gun shots. like being at a gun range. it was so close. like at the sound. and i went out on the street and there he was laying there on the street dead. and the guy who did it was released from the county jail just like in san francisco on the third gun charge. now we have somebody illegally in the country with three gun charge and he's in jail now for battery on a peace officer and assault with a deadly weapon and they gave him eight months in the county jail and let him out four months early, the same day he got out he had the mexican mafia orders latino gang members to go out the same day and commit crimes to he won't be rehabilitated, so it is like an order you have to go out the same day and commit a crime in

the black neighborhood. so my son walking home from the mall, they were coming into my neighborhood just to visit a neighbor, saw my son, and ran right over there and killed him, just because he was there. and he had a guy in the backseat with him that was there just as roy reporter to -- as a reporter to prove that he got out of the car and shot him in the head with a big gun. he a .45, you can main a .45 in someone's head. and he was shot in his stomach. and while he was laying on his back, he had his hands up and they thought he was shot three times because his hand was damaged. he had a bullet wound in his stomach and in his head and they found out from the coroner he was on his back and they shot him through his hands into his head. and that is the original hands up, don't shoot. we hear the other stuff, you know what i mean. but that really happened. that really happened.

and that day, mr. trump was saying -- when i saw the tv, everybody was calling my house, did you hear when donald trump just said. i'm like yeah, you know i heard it. and everybody was so happy. my stir was saying for the first time, she saw a smile because i felt hope. i knew there was change coming, either way. people have to change if they want to compete. you know, you have to change. you can't keep the same path, you know. and mr. trump is willing to go out there and sacrifice his life, because like you said, he doesn't need money, he doesn't need power. he's powerful already and he has what he needs and he loves america. and i saw that, i can tell. and he loves america, i can tell. why else would he do this. and he loves america. he wants to make it good again. and i tell people all of the type, i trust donald trump because if he could put himself out there like that, because for black people, because a lot of

the latino and black crime is happening in the black community it was sort of transformed, it used to be all black and now it is all latino so we are pretty much in a different land so to speak. if he could put himself out for us then i can trust him and everything else. it is like your dad. your dad say don't do this or don't do that and you trust him that you know what is good for you. and i see him look like a dad. he is -- we are almost the same age so i can't call him my dad. but he is the kind of man you would want to be your dad. successful and a loving guy. come on, you see him on tv, you're fired! but he's nice in real life. i told everybody in my community and i have a lot of black friends and a lot of them are liberals, but they are ready to vote for trump now. and they say i haven't voted in ten years, you know. they say i haven't voted in ten years, but i'm going to vote for

trump and feel feel energized and happy that someone is willing to go out there and put themself out there for america and can you trust him too. >> thank you, jamiel. >> wow! his son was a great quarterback and he was applying to colleges, one of them was stanford. i mean, the whole thing is so sad, to see it. and his sister is here too and his mother and his stir told me a -- his sister told me a story that when he saw what happened to his son, he went to the ground and was pounding his ground on the ground and broke his hand. and i just want to thank you for being here. it is amazing. [ applause ] >> so one of the things that came out of the press conference last night from one of the other

folks is that their child was murdered by an illegal immigrant and they said the police were very, very strong and very, very good. everything was great. and this -- i don't know how anybody can understand it, because it is the first i've ever heard of it, but everybody agreed, including jamiel. once they found out it was an illegal immigrant that killed their child, it became politically incorrect to even talk about it. they took it totally easy on the person. and the parents just got nowhere. that was three years ago. they just got nowhere. whereas, when they thought it was somebody that was legally in the country, everybody was fighting like hell to give due justice. and i went around the table and said is this true and they said it is true in every day. so there is something really bad out there, something really sick

out there and we have to do a job. we have to get the word out. i love people to come into the country legally. they have to come in legally. they have to come in legally. there is nothing wrong -- i mean, what is wrong with it. [ applause ] >> you know, i've been branded all sorts of things. what i said is mexico is sending -- well mexico is sending. they are sending people -- and you know what, they figure why should we keep these people in jail, why should we, why should we keep these people in jail when the american people are led by such stupid leaders that they'll put them in jail, or worse, they won't put them anywhere, like what happened with jamiel and what happened with kate, the magnificent young woman from san francisco. he came back into here five times. he shoud have been in a mexican jail. he shouldn't have even been in the country. he should have been in a jail from mexico. but mexico figures why should we take care of him for the next 40 years. let's let the dumb people in the

united states with their really dumb leaders take care of all of our problems. [ applause ] >> and i saw protests, a couple of tiny protests and i heard there is going to be -- you go there and there were a few people. there were more people in favor of trump. people are holding up 2016 signs. and i'm saying, they like me. it is all nonsense. and the people that were protesting, they were so sophisticated i guarantee you that the country of mexico had those people doing it because i talk about trade and i talk about the bad trade deals we're making and i believe that bothers mexico far more. univision canceled. they were my best friends. they were playing golf all of the time at trump national doral and all of a sudden boom, i'm a bad person. because mexico put the clamps on univision. they are doing an ipo and doing very bad as a company and in

fact lost money and they are over leveraged and so they are putting out things. and so friends of my that are hispanic say they say terrible things about you at uniinvestigation. and then we'll talk about nbc. and then we'll take some questions. because they said they would like to take some questions but this is more interesting. and let me tell you about nbc. we want to talk about inclusion. they have reverend al sharpton. they have lying brian williams. they have all of these people. i won't even mention bill cosby because that was from a long time ago. but they have a lot of bad people. and they are not angry at me for that. they are angry because, as you know, they renewed -- at present is is a very -- the apprentice is a successful show. 12 years, 14 seasons and they renewed aand i said i'm going to run for president.

they didn't believe me. they renewed it at the up front. everybody saw that. and if you do that, you cannot run for office. because of the very stupid laws having to do with time. if they did that, equal time. you would have to put everybody on. i mean, with all due respect, you would have to have rick santorum, carly fiorina, and everybody would get two hours prime time nbc, i don't think so, right. so they are not angry at me for this. they are angry because i didn't do the apprentice. and it is a huge show for them. and frankly, the head people of nbc and more importantly, the bosses of the people at nbc, you know who that is, i'm not going to mention names, i think they are great people, they are friends of mine, sort of. i thought they were friends of mine until a couple of weeks ago. but the people from comcast came to my office to ask me, please do it.

d do it, do it. i said i want to make our country great again. i'll make great trade deals. i want to make our military. and they didn't care. they wanted me to do it. and then i announced and they said, well, have fun. and as soon as you finish, come back and do the apprentice. another reason nobody thought i was going to run. because you're going to see on wednesday or thursday whenever -- you'll see how much money the apprentice made. a lot of money. i give up a lot. when i run, i give up a lot. when the politicians -- that is all they do. they talk, talk, talk, and nothing ever happens. [ applause ] >> they talk about benghazi. hugin dig nation. ben gauze, benghazi. two days later, you never heard them again. they talk about irs. they talk about hillary clinton's e-mails. she broke the law. she got a subpoena from the united states congress and then she destroyed them.

do you remember rosemary woods from richard nixon, 18 minutes of tape, ruined her life. hillary gets an e-mail from the united states -- gets through an e-mail, a subpoena. everybody is saying they sent the subpoena. now their politicians, so maybe they didn't, but they all said they sent a subpoena. she gets the subpoena and then she deletes. tell me, how do you do this? she gets rid of her server -- she broke the law. so the republicans -- and at least we know where the democrats are coming from. but for the republicans, i'm more disappointing in them. because it is a huge -- i'm a republican conservative -- it is true. and you see it. 48 hours of in dig nation, oh, what she did. he don't even hear about it any more. you don't even hear about it.

let me tell you something, if i get this nomination, you're going to hear a lot about it. you're going to hear about it so much. you're going to hear about it like you wouldn't believe. now, just in closing, before we take some questions, it's hard for a conservative republican, libertarian, it is hard for certain groups of people to get fair press. i have great respect -- you know i've found the financial press to be quite honorable but this political press is brutal. i tell the story about how i have great relationships with mexico, how i love the mexican people, but the mexican government is smarter than our -- nobody puts that. and they put half sentences. like, i talk about the american dream. i say this a lot. the american dream is dead. but i'm going to make it bigger and better and stronger than

ever before. i say it all of the time. the american dream is dead. but i'm going to make it bigger and better and stronger. so my wife said, oh, darling, you said horrible things in your speech last night. i said what. you talked about the american dream. and here is the way it -- the way they put it, on many different networks. the american dream is dead -- cut. i said whoa. that's brutal. they left the second part off. just like they left when mexico sends -- i said -- i'm talking about the government of mexico. they are smart. they are sending us their problems. and we're taking those problems, and we're going to pay for those problems. and jamiel, his son would be alive today if we knew what we were doing. and kate would be alive, because these people should never have been in our country.

so the press, the political press, the media, is very, very dishonest. [ applause ] >> i mean, unbelievable. it is unbelievable. but we have to live with them. and the only advantage i have -- i have millions of people on twitter and facebook. it is like owning "the new york times" without the losses. it is incredible. tweet tweet tweet. so when someone hits me, i hit them back. and i have millions of people. millions. and it is great. so at least i have a megaphone so i can fight back but it is hard because they come at you -- even last night, it couldn't have been more beautiful because we are representing the young people who died. and some people -- not all, but 20% just totally and purposely misconstrued everything said in that room last night. there were some stories that you would actually say -- they were there, but you would say they

weren't there. so we have to be very careful, we have to be very smart. i will win, if i get the nomination, i will win the hispanic vote because i'm taking jobs back from china and takes jobs back from many places. you know, last quarter we had a gnp, gross national product, that was negative. you don't see that. you look at the countries, india, they are going through the roof. you call up about your american express card, somebody is on the phone with a little bit of an accent. where are you from? oh, this is new delhi. oh, that's wonderful. that is wonderful. new delhi. why can't it be from arizona, from new york? from las vegas, nevada? why can't it be in this country? you would think it is impossible. how could it be that far away and they save money? how could it be, right? they are from india.

so i'm going to take back our jobs and i'm going to create so many jobs in this country. and i actually thought that was going to be any strength and i still think it will be my strength. and i started talking about -- because to make the country great and strong we have to stop the border and stop illegals from coming in and so that is part of what the whole picture is. so i mentioned it -- i mentioned it and then after i mentioned it, it got -- by the way, after i did the speech, six days went by and nobody said anything. you know that right. i got rave reviews on my speech. i got so much rave reviews. they said he stood up there for an hour and didn't even use a note. i happen to have a great memory. it is good. it helps. but i got great reviews. and five days later, all of a sudden, i said a thing that was so bad, because they took a half sentence and they probably

worked hard in those five days trying to figure that out. so we have to be very careful. i say i went to the wharton school of finance. one of the hardest schools. i went to wharton. i did great. i came out and made a fortune. i wrote the deal. number one best-selling book. you always think -- oh, trump told a horrible thing. has everybody read the art of the deal. trump, the art of the deal. you know who hasn't read it? obama, he hasn't read it. here is a guy. sergeant bergdahl, we get bergdahl, the traitor, a no good traitor, who in the good old days would have been executed, we get bergdahl and they get five people back on the battlefield they most wanted, and we got bergdahl. that is the way we deal.

look at the iran deal. i mean, this is a deal that never ends. somebody said how long should that deal have taken? i said one day. they said what do you mean? i say make it a week. we have a chief negotiator that go news a bicycle race and he is 73 years old and he falls and breaks his leg and he is negotiating against the persians, they are great negotiators, iran, great negotiators. i saw on charlie war shaw, i was watching the chief negotiators, i tweeted, he is too smart for our team. don't make the deal. too smart for our deal. no good. and just in finishing on that subject, we are four -- we have four people that are prisoners over there. we don't even ask about it. if i was in charge, i would say the following: fellas -- and by the way it is all fellas. they haven't figured out the women are smarter yet.

it will take them about another 150 years. i would say fellas, you got -- in those days when this started about 200 years ago, on nuclear -- and by the way, it is called tap tap tap -- it is tapping us. >> don't know in i want to make it. we have one of the great deal makers from las vegas, phil ruffin, he bought -- where is phil? he's in the back. he wants to keep a low profile. he bought a hotel down the road, bought it for $100 million and sold it for $1.3 billion. that is a good deal. i'll put him in charge of china, we'll do very well. we'll do very well. [ applause ] >> but this is a negotiation and it is called tapping. sometimes i have a deal, i don't know if i want to make it. and i tap tap tap, i call it tap. i can tap people for months. and then i'll decide i want to make, whatever. that is what they're doing with

us. and believe me, a lot of bad things are happening. but i would say, the first part of the negotiation, fellas, you have three people, and now it is four. they took the reporter, so it is four. and in the worst prison necessity anywhere. so now they have four people. i would have said you have these people, as a sign of good faith, they are not doing you any good, nobody wants them, the american public wants them back. here is phil. do you believe this guy. he comes up. i didn't want you up on the stage. the great phil ruffin. what is the name of your hotel? >> listen, trump is the man. don't ignore him. he may be your next president and i sure as hell am going to vote for him and do everything i can. >> thank you, baby. >> okay, thank you. >> i don't want him up here. this is an aggressive man, you see. see, some people in life are just aggressive. good. so we are going to now take a few questions. but i would have said, folks, we

want those people back. and if they said no, i would have said bye-bye and doubles and tripled the sanctions and we would have had them back quickly. very quickly. believe me, we would have had them back quickly. let's take a few questions and let's go to phoenix where we have a crowd that is slightly larger than anticipated. so where are the questions? do you have a mic? >> i'm alberto salinas, from mexico, i am incredible insulted by this. >> i was waiting for this. >> of course you were. but i am a friend of freedom fest. i believe in a rule of law and i believe in property rights. my heart goes out to mr. jamiel. >> good. >> there are illegal immigrants that are horrible and terrible and there are also legal immigrants that are horrible and terrible. >> it is true. >> it is a question about a law of -- rule of law. >> ask a question please.

did the government of mexico ask you to come up here and ask you this. >> oh, of course. >> go ahead, ask a question. come on, you have a lot of people waiting. >> would you build walls around all of the states in the united states to prevent all of the rapist and killers that come from elsewhere in the united states in order to avoid the problem? >> no, i build a wall -- i would build a wall between our country and mexico because people come from all over the world. >> senior trump -- >> do you want to hear the answer. and all of the people, because i encourage legal citizenship, and i encourageship and i would encourage hispanics and people from all over. but what i don't encourage is people coming into our country illegally and i don't encourage where they force people in that the government doesn't want and these people wreak havoc on our population. thank you for your question.

i appreciate it. >> mr. trump, my name is lloyd brunson. i'm over here on your right. you've inspired me to create a tv show broadcast on fox affiliate in utah called fox plits so it might be something you'll buy from me when you get out of office. >> sounds good to me. >> and mr. ron paul when he was running for president, he said stuff about the federal reserve, like $1.6 billion of the debt was fictitious and i saw him on fox news talking about that and i said that is not fictitious and that belongs to the financial market and could you address that issue -- >> 12:36 there in nevada, freedom fest, we've been watching live with you, donald trump moving into his second question at freedom fest which he described as a broadly conservative libertarian crowd and also representatives from

all sorts, he was saying, and unsure of who he would be addressing but it seems like he had his message right down the center in terms of what he wanted to accomplish. about 35 minutes, i'll bring in a very esteemed group now to get their reflections. we have hector bereto, from the hispanic round tablin tute. and hector rayes. and joe watkins, former george h.w. bush white house aid, jimmy williams, from the blue nation's review.com, and benjy sarlin from msnbc.com so many folks i can't fit on the screen here. who is talking right now? who is leading this conversation? okay. seriously though. let's start then with benji, my colleague at msnbc, benji, we thought -- or maybe he might be

saving this for his arizona speech, that he might be touching on some of his competitors in the republican race for nomination. he did bring up rand paul, but that was really it. >> yeah, in fact. he praised rand paul. this is an unusual dynamic where he talking about how much he likes rand paul and he knows them and he is spoking too a libertarian crowd and trying to score some points but for the most part it is a fleury of in sults. there is back and forth for days between jeb bush and rick perry and marco rubio, calling them losers and attacking them in personal terms. in jeb bush's case he re tweeted and went on about how jeb bush can't be trusted to be unbiased on issues of immigration because his wife is born in mexico. so just the default has just been attack all of the time so this is a departure from that. >> we were talking, jill watkins, as he was speaking, and

you and i were saying, whether you like him or you don't, as you watch donald trump speak, very good at improvisation, very good at addressing what is needed at the time, this perhaps comes from his entrepreneurial background and the story of jamiel shaw and the story of his son, in 2008, and his son 17 years old was shot dead in the street and it definitely resonated because it was a horrible, horrible story. >> he is very -- he is a smafter at this. he understands the medium so well. so bring jamiel shaw with him and to have him come up to the stage and tell his story is master ffl. he doesn't have to talk about the candidates because he has the stage and everybody is talking about him. he has 10%, 11 or 12% of the vote right now in the early polls and he wants to keep that because that will make him

somebody to contend with. if i were the other candidates, i would share my own immigration policy. i wouldn't talk about responding to donald trump. i would say here is what my immigration policy and this is how i would fix the problem with immigration but donald trump is masterful and commanding the stage, he has all eyes on him. here it is. we are all watching him right now, live. >> and chris, let's build on what joe was saying here. it has been said over the last couple of weeks that what donald trump has done at least on immigration policy and reform is saying to the others in the field on the right, is put up or shut up and many of them are not saying much, as joe is noting, they are n they are not describing their own immigration policy as donald trump is. >> they are not saying much because they can do math because if you talk like donald trump does, and at 36 marathon, it is fine if you are a showman and lives to create this celebrity

moment every time he speaks and probably the most narsa cystic human being you could imagine giving a speech and you cannot alienate the hispanic population and expect to run the presidency. it is a simple game of numbers. to be competitive in the general election has to get in the low 40s to mid 40 toss be just competitive. if they are where romney is in the 30s, there is not a possible way to win the election. and that is a problem with the republican contender who watch that -- that speech and their heads explode because how do you respond to that and make yourself viable in the general elekts. >> there in nevada, 27.5%, according to the consensus, latino american, and in aerds -- in arizona, 30% latino american

and he did touch on immigrant meshes and he seems to talk about undocumented latino americans but as we know one in two or 50% are from mexico, all the rest are from other countries. so he's continuing to hit this drum and making that simple equation. >> i don't think that is really a surprise coming from mr. trump. but when we step back and look at the broader picture, i foresee this as continuing to be a problem for the republican party because like it or not he represents the gop on this issue right now. and when he is out there telling the stories, now granting when mr. jamiel shaw came up and told the story of his son, that was a very -- that was a compelling moment. but at the same time, that plays into the narrative that turns off latinos about all undocumented people being crimes. and for the record, we have many instances for exam mel in 2013 -- for example in 2013, an

undocumented women saved a woman in hurricane sandy and in 2011 a undocumented worker saved a child from a carjacking, one of the first kyled in afghanistan was an undocumented immigrant so there are plenty of people making positive contributions to society and this race baiting around the issue is a huge turnoff for latinos. >> hector, we were listening to the first question, and we couldn't see who the person was, he said he was a mexican-american, a u.s. citizen and donald trump responded by saying did the governor of mexico send you to ask this question. that is a very racially charged statement or response to that questioner. if you put that in african-american terms, in a parallel there, this would be quite something to listen to and i think a lot of peoples eyes popped open when he said, did the governor of mexico send you here.

>> that is right. listen, we said this in the beginning. he'll continue to double down. he's making it up as he goes along. i think it is a stream of consciousness, he's having a conversation with himself. and most of the people that he said are not well founded, they are not accurate. you know what wasn't there, the two republican senators, the republican governor. in fact senator flake said he does not represent the republican party. his remarks are incendiary and course and ill-informed and i couldn't agree more. this is a car accident and people are slowing down to watch it but they don't want any part of it and they are speeding away soon. >> we still have our chopper cam though. we still have the chopper cam watching the car accident as it is happening. >> it is unbelievable. >> and i have to get in jimmy before we go to break. quickly, jimmy, your thoughts and what you saw and i didn't have the mic on you and i didn't know whether you were laughing or hooping and hallering.

>> well, just like i saw, the campaign has begun and this is fear and loathing spearing from donald trump and the democrats don't have to do anything except for what hector just said, sit back and watch the accident happen and i will be front and center and cannot wait. >> well, stand by, my friends, stand by. thank you so much, jimmy, joe, chris, raul, hector and benji. our six-box for this afternoon. we'll have more on donald trump because he'll be having a news conference. and we'll be there for that. so stand by all six of my friends. we'll be right back here on msnbc.

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why should we keep these people in jail when the american people are led by such stupid leaders that they'll put them in jail. let's let the dumb people in the united states with their really dumb leaders take care of all of our problems. >> donald trump just moments ago

there is the freedom fest in las vegas, nevada. he is just finishing up the q&a portion of his speech. he had spoke for about 35 minutes. joining us still and still with us, donald trump leaving the stage, we have jenny, hector, joe watkins. joe, you are advising and sitting down with jeb bush, you are a friend of the bush family, what are you telling them to do with tronld trump, come on strong and take him down or be careful? >> realize what part of the game you are in right now. you want to win the nomination. you don't want to make an enemy. he is a rich enough -- he can launch a third party campaign like ross perot did in 2002 which make it impossible for a republican to win and so you stick to your own game. talk to latino voters yourself and tell them what you do and don't play somebody else's game. that is what i would tell -- i would tell the bush campaign or

any other campaigns to stick to your guns, play your own game, don't play the donald game. >> hector, ross perot, in fact, i was writing that down as i was listening to donald trump and you think of ross perot and when he mounted that thirdthird-part candidacy. that sunk h.w. by pulling the votes away. so, to joe's point, should the field, kid gloves as joe was saying, let him do his thing and don't anger him, because he runs that third-party candidacy, it will sink the republican candidacy. >> i agree with joe, i think they have to be true to themselves. they have to play their own game. i don't know that donald trump is really serious about running a third-party candidacy, and how much he's really willing to spend on this. you know, look, if he does it, he will be responsible for president hillary clinton. that will be part of his legacy as well. he's donnell a lot of damage to his brand, but if he wants to go

down in infamy, that's probably the route he will take. >> chris covin analysas, he doe like the leaders of china, is what he said. then he made a comment because of the negotiations going on with iran, and the multicountry effort that we all have been talking about to come up with a nuclear deal, but he said the persians. and the persians are, by the way not just in iran, but in four, five, in large number other countries across the middle east so the language he continues to use is not taking into the sensitivity the united states, for instance, a large persian community. >> listen -- i'm left speechless for the first time in my life. the man goes out of his way to, if you will, get people to

respond to this kind of radical extreme rhetoric, because he knows it's going to get attention. that is the fundamental problem. where i will disagree with joe is it may not be strategically smart for jeb bush to challenge him in the upcoming debates, but if they allow him to continue down this road and to get this kind of media attention. he got 36 minutes on national cable tv today, and i imagine it was true on every other network. that basically drowns out a lot of other attention to the candidates. if they don't take him down now, he will be a factor through the primaries. that's a problem for whomever will be the jent general election candidate. >> colby, if you were just listening, we were talking about

china, persians in general, and i'm pulling words against from donald trump's remarks for 36 minutes, and of course his mentioning of those from mexico. he seems to be adding more groups that perhaps now are taking offense to what he is saying. >> right, you can imagine reince priebus watching that and grimaces after the conversation this week when he asked donald trump to tone it down. when you ask him to do that, all he's going to do is amp it up. that's what le saw today, he'll do it again tonight in arizona. >> that doesn't seem to work, the reince priebus discussion. he's got a news conference coming up, another speech in arizona. he's going to add to it and go the opposite way. >> completely. there were parts of this speech. rambling is probably the kindest thing you could say about it. i'm looking at some of mice nodes and trying to sal van a

coheernts theme, about you he said people hear what i say and they believe it. that actually is true. he spews all kinds of unbelievable falsehood and this particular audience, they take it as fact, folks, had el referenced the fact that people who are undocumented who are committing crimes get some sort of pass from the government. not true. he took at swipe at univision, even sort of trying i thought to promote his book, so this news conference was really all over the place, though maybe on a more positive side, we did see more of his ideas in the fact that he touched on iran, the federal reserve, and some other areas beyond immigration, but the whole speech seemed quite incoherent, and difficult to see what the point was other than to push this xenophobia. >> pits a potpourri, a stew, a

bit of everything for everybody. what we haven't talked about yet is the tea party, which he did bring up, and he also brought up the ideas related to benghazi, jamal shaw, which i mentioned earlier he had brought in. if other candidates are watching, it is a nimbleness that he has and displays when he is on tv, when he is on air. >> yeah, and his ability to connect with that sort of conservative i had for a lot of voters is one of the things that makes it so different for the republicans to respond. there is a lot of republicans who are extremely pro-immigration, who want to increase their outreach. we've had some of them talking, but there are also a lot of republican candidates here who will see donald trump getting this attention and think, hey, he's taking my voters.

ted chris -- rick santorum has calling for a 20% decrease in legal immigration, has also been praising trump for start starting this conversation. scott walker, who has tacked to the right lately on immigration and expressed some concerns maybe about legal immigration, he's been totally silent. is it possible maybe he sees some of those voters and think maybe they'll come to me? just might. >> 30 seconds to you, colby. >> he's came up turs, what, about 10 to 15%? there's a ceiling for donald trump. he's not going to be the actual front-runner, but benni if don't trump flames out, they're thinking i want to capture those voters. >> thank you. colby, sorry we have to go. i thank our esteemed panel.

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