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also new the iran nuclear talks coming down to the wire. we'll have the latest from the secretary of state in vienna ahead. another prison break to tell you about, one of the most notorious druglords in the world. the details what he did, how he got out, those are ahead. and a new era begins in the south. are the politics keeping up with the tumz? we begin out in phoenix, arizona, where donald trurp blew into town yesterday and showed his campaign for president is becoming something real a genuine single issue movement one that is threatening to tear apart the republican party. the issue of course he's focusing on is immigration and this probably wasn't designed by trurp when he first entered the race last month. the blowback of his inflammatory remarks was fierce. suddenly it was an international controversy and the donald refused to back down since then

he rocketed to the top of the republican polls and yesterday in his first trip to the border state of arizona in years he sounded the alarm in front of one of the largest crowds any campaign has drown so for this year. >> thousands of people, hispanic hispanics, have worked for me and many work for me now, but thousands. they're incredible people. i represent mexico. greatly as a country. but the problem we have is that their leaders are smarter, sharper and more cunning than our leaders and they're killing us at the border and they're killing us in trade. >> more than 4,000 people turned out to hear trurp, that's more than twice the capacity of the room where he was speaking. there were protesterers on hand when they tried to interrupt him, trump had a response ready. >> i wonder if the mexican government sent them over here. i think so.

>> trump spoke for more than an hour. it was unscripted. it was raw. he delighted in attacking his enemies head-on like jeb bush. >> the poll just came out and i'm tied with jeb bush and i said that's too bad. how can i be tied with this guy? he's terrible. i don't see him as a factor and i know it's the youth name so in all fairness not the greatest, but jeb bush i don't get it. if you people go with bush you're going to lose. >> he also attacked hillary clinton. >> if i'm winning in these categories why go through primaries? hillary clinton is going to be a horrible president. it's horrible. if she even wins her own primary which i don't know. >> of course he went after the press.

>> they don't want to give it straight, because the press are liars, they're terrible people. terrible. not all of them but many of them. republican leaders are becoming worried about his increasing prominence. john mccain and jeff flake stayed away from yesterday's event and denounced trump but the state's former governor heard a lot on the right. >> mr. trump is kind of telling it like it truly is being the governor of the gateway of illegal immigration for six years. we had to deal with a lot of things. >> not long ago it was easy to dismiss him as a side show. now he made himself a leading voice of a large group of republican voters angry at their party and the system. yesterday trurp gave the voters who he's speaking for a new old name.

>> the silent majority is back and we're going to take the country back. and we are going to make america great again. >> amanda joins us from phoenix where they're cleaning up from the big show yesterday. tell us what it was like inside that arena yesterday for trump's speech. who were the people drawn, the 4,000 people who came out for this? >> reporter: good morning, steve. there was a huge crowd here and trump defied the early expectations of how many people would show you. as he took the stage yesterday there was a line of people winding outside of the contention center try to get in after an hour-long delay before the event started. some drove six hours to get

here, some from california others new mexico. rush him law mentioned the event on his radio show. this is the nativest wing of the republican party. most did not take issue with the fiery parts of the immigration controversy in his comments he's been saying but he did tone down some of the rhetoric. we didn't hear him call mexicans killers, rapists or drug dealers. he maimed most of his attacks on the mexican government and says he loves mexico and would be a great dealbreaker. some that fell where he wanted to expand legal immigration, make it easier and faster. some of the folks in the crowd were scratching their head at that line. when that protection did break out in the middle of the event the protesters were in the middle of the crowd and they were just packed in holding up signs. this really angered some of the

people in the crowd, trying to tear the signs away. it got into kind of a bit of a tussle, and the crowds were able to kind of mess up the speech for quite some time before security was able to come in. the crowds were largely white, a little older, it was a bit of a difficult event with the standing room only because they had to allow for a huge crowd in the room. >> amanda appreciate that report. let's bring in jackie kusinich philip stutts now the ceo of go big media. donald trump this is one of the newest polls, national polls of republican voters that this was taken a few days ago. this is ugov and economist, but for what it's worth donald trump

in first plaus, 15% ahead of jeb bush and rand paul. there is donald trump. i'm just to trying out what is going on. donald trump kind of stumbles into something. he opened his mouth and said inflam things a few weeks ago and connected with a big chunk of voters. now he's their guy. >> he has no idea what he's doing but connected with the voters. the danger seems for the gop trump is becoming the face of the party, the longer he stays up in the polls and the longer the pro cuss is on him if he's druing clouds in addition to having opoll numbers. they have a hard time linking him with gop and the republican party. >> this was not a speech that he sat down and wrote out a week in advance. this was 70 minutes so he's dropping all sorts of names and things.

we'll play some more from it later. he does team to be most other the top aspects of his rhetoric down a little bit. he can keep this base that he's built, keep it if he acts more responsibly. >> we have to see ifs it an apolly as well. he might come back in his next speech and say being bomboastick. i think it's right that he is becoming the face of the republican party and they're talking about him and not hillary clinton. that's a problem. >> philip what does your party do about this? >> listen, i have this theory that trump is a bully bullying the bullies. republicans for so long have felt like they have bullied by the left by the media, by all

these circumstances and trump is appealing to a fraction coming in saying somebody's got to bully these guys back. the problems the voters so excited about trump don't realize he's contributed to hillary clinton, he was for universal health care wanted a one-time tax of sh.14.pa%, he had given money to nancy pelosi and pro-abortion. >> i'm curious, what struck me about watching him the last few weeks can he talk his way out of it? >> at a certain point no. people vp money. you never want to get in a fight one on one with 17 other presidential kaebts but he's going to have $100,000 million plus for the record and ted cruz is buddying up so maybe he's the one that comes up the middle at this point. >> i think lindsey graham said they have to take the shovel away from him so he stops

digging. with donical trump, he has to hurt himself out of this because if the party tries to bully him i think he becomes a martyr and still going to have a loyal constituency. >> this is jonah goldberg at "the national review" stop propping this guy up while he says too many gop primary competitors stand mute or mumbling. republicans are fielding the best candidates in a generation but trump is poised to make them chumps by associations. >> that's the big point. i'd be shocked if this guy got the nomination but the point is that he can hurt the other gop candidates serious candidates so much before he actually leaves the scene that he can cost the party the election. >> what is this debate like a month from now? he's up on stage, jeb bush with him. i picture jeb you're a loser.

you can't stand up to me on this stage. we want to make you the candidate? >> everyone has their dvr set. >> that's why we're talking about. the bottom line and everybody forgets about this all that matters is going into new hampshire, and iowa. he's in the middle or up toward the next and third eventually he'll fall down, there's no chance i agree with bob, that he'd get the nomination. >> he won't run when push comes to shove because not going to put out a really intense version. he could stretch this out to october/november. i used to say look he'll stop whenever he absolutely has to file that form he'll shut this thing down. i'm getting the sense that this has gotten more attractive. this thing is bigger than anybody thought it would be. >> including trump.

he's maybe the nation's largest narcissist and it seems the more attention he gets the more he revels in it. doesn't matter what kind of attention, as long as it's not is he cussed on the cameras or trump. it's hard for me to imagine donald trump just laying out legitimate financial data in any serious way. >> jackie what do you think of him as a speaker? is he charismatic? it's a strange style. he wasn't have a steam of speechwriters. he's bloviating for lack of a better word but yet it seems to connect. it drew 4,000 people in phoenix. he has that ability to connect with people. there is a sense you want awe fighter when you're going up against an establishment you

don't really like. i think that's what they're responding to in part what he's saying but also how he's saying it. he sounds like a oner because he's telling them he's a winner other and other again. >>s he's also talking to a base that feels trarmed on edlike getting started. when you're confident enough in your speech and you sound qualify kent enough you can fool about 50% of the people. if they knew his record they would not be supporting him. >> he definitely sound confidence. we'll have more clips ahead of the show. the important speech rick perry gave more than a week ago that you probably shnt' heard anything about. down to the wire for the nuclear arms deal. both sides are sounding optimistic this morning.

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hopeful is the word u.s. secretary of state john kerry told reporters this morning in vienna, on his way to latin mass, the same mass that jfk and jackie kennedy wauns tended during a summit with khrushchev. "a deal is in reach, it only requires political will at this point." tomorrow say deadline for a nuclear deal with iran after more than two weeks at the negotiating table.

joining me is andrea mitchell. when we talked to you yesterday it sounded like there was a stumbling block issue about the sanctions against conventional weapons, iran wanted those eased, the united states says that's a red line. where are things this morning? >> reporter: we have moved a little bit past that that's still a problem. there are still other problems diplomats involved in the talks caution that nothing can done until all of these pieces come together because they're all interlocking. that said they are a little more hopeful. they say they will know more tonight whether or not there could be a deal by tomorrow morning but the best judgment i have from talking to people in a number of delegations when you try to get past the tweets and the spin is that there will be no deal tonight. sergey lavrov the russian foreign minister is returning sometime later today for talks this evening. he's not been here since tuesday. he left tuesday for moscow there was a separate meeting, a separate summit there.

he as well as the chinese foreign minister have been gone since last tuesday. lavrov emerged as one of the major obstacles. in the intervening days he sided with iran russia putin as well siding with iran against the u.s. on the whole issue of the sale of ballistic missiles and other conventional weapons. that was the first division we've seen publicly in the partners at the talks, the so-called p5 plus 1, the five members of the u.n. security council plus germany and also a very important player here is the european union, so as we saw last night they went until ten after 12:00 right after midnight, still meeting here and then john kerry after going to church today came back here the french foreign minister fabius is here. everyone is waiting for the russian to come and gather and look over what was agreed to

yesterday provisionally and see whether they could announce a deal tomorrow. that's our basic time line. historically, interesting note steve, that church st. steven's cathedral is where jfk went for the historic summit with khrushchev, which of course did not go well and it was a landmark summit which had a tremendous amount of influence on u.s./soviet relations at the peak of the cold war. 55 years later here we are again with historic decisions to be made. steve? >> all right andrea mitchell an interesting backdrop for that mass given how that summit played out with jfk and khrushchev. thank you for that reporting. i appreciate it. let's bring in former assistant secretary of state for public afaurz p.j.a affairs p.j. crowley. do you sense that a deal is close now? >> we're in triple overtime and

it would appear the gaps that still exist have narrowed but it wouldn't be surprising to me that ultimately getting to iran's true bottom line require john kerry sometime in the next 24 hours to order up his airplane, load the luggage and start to get up from the table and find out what iran is prepared to do whether they're prepared to make decisions now and whether the prospective deal is good enough. >> one of the stumbling blocks we talked about with andrea mitchell, is over this issue of conventional weapons and sanctions that have been in place on conventional weapons coming into and out of iran and those sanctions were put in place because of iran's nuclear program and iran making the case if we're signing a deal here about our nuclear program and those sanctions dealing with conventional weapons should be taken off the table, obama administration saying no absolutely not. is that an issue this thing could fall apart over? >> well i think it's a matter

of both sides want something, both sides have to give something and there are difficult politics on both sides. it doesn't surprise me that at the 11 1/2 hour or beyond midnight that iran is trying to find a way to sweeten the deal from its point of view. i certainly think from a western point of view given iran's role for example in syria it's hard politically for anyone to sell easing iran's ability to get more conventional weaponry some of which would increase its own capability, pose a threat to israel and might find its way into other trouble spots. the hardest decision i think does belong to iran. it's at a fork in the road. we had over the last 24 hours the ayatollah talking about the arrogance of the united states. iran defines itself in opposition to the west and the

united states and they're going to have to decide are they willing to have a different kind of relationship with the west and a different kind of relationship with the united states, and so ultimately aside from all of these trying to find a way to make the deal as attractive as possible they have some fundamental decisions to make and that's what we'll find out in the next 24 hours. >> as we say the latest extension of the deadline tomorrow andrea mitchell saying she doesn't expect a deal today but the officials saying they're optimistic something maybe tomorrow that seems a little more possible. we'll keep a close eye. p.j. crowley, formerly of the state department thank you for taking a few minutes this morning. still ahead on the show greece could be just hours away from leaving the eurozone the latest on the negotiations there, two economic heavy hitters will talk about the best and worst case scene naur yos for anyone else. and one of the most notorious druglords is on the loose again in mexico. the latest on his prison break

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saying that republicans have a lot to do with why that is. he did also say that democrats need to be held accountable by black voters for decades of programs that haven't been able to lift enough people out of poverty. critics point out perry defended voter i.d. requirements in the same speech. still perry's speech suggests an awareness of the country's changing demographics. america is becoming less white, more diverse. president obama won eight out of every ten non-white voters in 2012. right now 95% say they could see themselves support hillary clinton for the democratic nomination. the republican party's key base of support remains heavily white with a heavy concentration below the mason dixon line. at the time when south carolina removes its confederate flag from the state house it's worth

asking if the southern strategy needs revising. on capitol hill republicans abandon ed abandoned their hearing of how the flag would fly at cemeteries. joining us is caton dawson and akeep jeffreys who spoke eloquently against the confederate flag at the height of this week's debate and bob herbert still with us here on set. caton dawson that speech we played a clip of from rick perry saying basically the republican party gave up on trying to win the black vote and lost its moral legitimacy he's saying by doing that. how widespread is that view in the republican party versus the view that previewed in the last few decades the idea of we don't need the black vote to win? >> rick perry has legitimacy saying that being 14 years as

governor of texas one that got close to 40% of the hispanic vote in the last race and one that understands i've worked for him now, one that understands republican party has got to get bigger, has a message that can resonate and once you get to know rick perry you understand that's kind of who he is. he's from paint creek, texas, 1300 people in a small town. he's been traveling in south carolina for the last year so i think he said a lot of people will be thinking and it takes courage to do it. i've seen some the complaints and rhetoric around it but it's a conversation republicans not only need to have a lot of us want to have it. >> this week you had the flag coming down in south carolina at the same time suddenly this debate exploded in congress over confederate imagery in cemeteries. i want to play a clip and then

ask you about it. >> mr. speaker, had this confederate battle flag prevailed in war, 150 years ago, i would not be standing here today as a member of the united states congress. i'm perplexed. what exactly is the tradition of the confederate battle flag that we're supporting? is it slavery? rape? kidnap? treason? genocide? or all of the above. as i stand here with chills next to it. >> so congressman, a lot of people were asking why in light of what was happening in south carolina republicans even let it get to the point where you had to take the floor like that. at the same time republicans then stepped back and john boehner issued a statement praising the flag coming down in

south carolina saying he didn't want confederate imagery in cemeteries. i'm curious your sense of what happened this week. do you see change taking place in the republican party, did you see anything of significance happening in the debate? >> representative huffman and i introduced three amendments that would have prohibited the use of federal funds in connection with the purchase sale or display of the confederate flag on national park service land. those amendments initially were accepted without opposition on voice vote but then in a cunning move less than 24 hours later it seems like the ghost of the confederacy invaded the gop conference and all of a sudden there was this calvert amendment introduced to reverse what occurred. at the same time the flag was coming down in california as a result of a bipartisan multiracial effort you had the house republicans trying to lift

it up. >> it strangely emerged this calvert amendment was suddenly there. do you sense there was any connection to what was happening in south carolina? >> the chair of the house appropriations committee kit indicated, this was done in the cop text of the funding bill for the department of interior within which the national park service is a resident agency and the republican chair, hall rogers of the appropriations committee said that he expected they would lose upwards of 100 votes if the confederate flag prohibitions remained in the interior appropriation bill. that speaks loudly to the condition at least of house republicans and the extreme nature of some of their members. >> bob herbert, take maybe a step back here and look at this historically. the republican party historically if you go way back was the home of black voters, the party of reconstruction the

white segregationists in the south, jim crow era of democrats and now at a point for half a century now or so i would say kms have won 80% of the black vote at the presidential election. how far are republicans from being able to compete meaningfully? >> there was a flip. south was hostile to civil rights, pro-slavery, et cetera. but if you go back to what rick perry's speech it was important and should have gotten much more coverage in the press and numbers and on television. she's not just saying republicans need to compete more for the black vote. he's looking for the government to enforce civil rights in this country, has an important role to play. he acknowledged there is a serious problem when it comes to the quality of life for african-americans and by

implication the horrible conditions of slavery and jim crowe and white supremacy and the republican party along with the rest of america has an obligation to address that. you don't hear republicans saying that and that should have gotten just a tremendous amount more attention. >> caton dawson i want to ask you about that line that rick perry had in his speep, hech, he says we as republicans decided we didn't need the black vote anymore. when did that happen and why in the last few decades? >> i'm talking from a state we're at 1961 democrat governor fritz holings gave john fchl kennedy a confederate flag as a gift from the state. 55 years later a lot has happened. republicans have a lot more things in common with african

americans, people think in the deep south so i think when you've got somewhat of the nature of rick perry who has governed a state of 27 million people and a guy that has a big party. i think that you understand electorial politics is changing and changing rapidly much like the south carolina changed. so there's a lot of work to be done but with that being said republicans do real well all over the country, 68 of 96 state houses they control, 32 some odd governors. in a national collection we get our clock cleaned on just about every occasion so things have to change the policies have to be different but there has to be a conversation especially this cycle with two or three democrats running and 15 to 18 republicans running, that conversation is going to be forced on republicans and people like me look forward to it. >> caton dawson, akeep jeffries

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>> unable to make him cave the left tried to recall him. they threw erg at him and he beat them again. >> scott walker remains wisconsin's governor. >> scott walker routed the recall. it wasn't even close. >> walker is telling "the washington post" dan balls this week they see two principal rivals for the republican nomination former florida governor jeb bush and senator marco rubio from florida. his aides hope the campaign makes its mark in the iowa caucus. the recent poll has him leading his closest rival donald trump by eight points. it's also where walker will be launching a three-day winnebago tour this friday. the goal to visit even one of iowa's 99 counties. joining us is mark murray senior political editor with nbc news. thanks for taking a few minutes.

size up where you think scott walker stands. he's consistently been ahead in iowa. it's a muddled field, less than 20% of the vote but consistently ahead there. you have rubio, bush kasich trump. where does walker fit in? >> this is the best way to describe scott walker. he is the iowa front-runner and one of three conational front-runners for the nomination joining jeb bush and marco rubio. monday is a big moment for scott walker and the republican field. so far this presidential cycle we've seen polling pops for everyone who has announced their presidential bids. we saw it for marco rubio, jeb bush and andonald trump. can scott walker get the pop in the polls especially during the controversy around donald trump. if he can ride that iowa wave he has the ability to control his own destiny being in a

stronger position in new hampshire and south carolina and of course his campaign is looking at some of the states outside the first four ones so he can start to win a lot of delegates. that is the theory for scott walker. has he gone too conservative to win over a state like iowa which makes him maybe less electable in some republicans' eyes to the jeb bushes and marco rubios. those are the challenges he has to deal with. i can't stress enough how big monday will be for him and also the whole republican field. >> let me bring the panel in here. walker has been interesting to me because early on we were looking at this race people looked and said jeb bush call him the establishment front-runner but if it's not jeb bush walker looked really logical. you saw jackie in the ad we played the message to republican voters it's not only is he conservative. it's i can beat the democrats.

they have come after me with everything you've had and i've beaten them every single time. >> running in wisconsin is different than running nationally. one of scott walker's biggest challenges is something like immigration, saying the same thing every time about uhm grags and having a position, i think there's a couple of different things scott walker had trouble settling on one position and that's because he's under a microscope now, not just a small state but he does have a very good story in terms of winning a blue state and i think there are going to be a lot of people attracted to him because of that. >> philip, looking at scott walker, the guy who right now say is the front-runner in iowa. what are the keys to beating scott walker? >> i would say everybody maybe on this panel and across the country forget our history, july before a primary or caucus those that are leading don't

necessarily win and john mccain's campaign blew up eight yeermz at this moment, he went on to win the nomination. mike huckabee won iowa he was not one of the top tiered candidates. rick santorum won it four years ago. we have a long way to go. for a rival campaigner to your due diligence. stay in new hampshire and stay in south carolina. governor walker got a boost when the legislature passed and he kind the 20 week abortion ban which was one of his vulnerabilities was the pro life and pro life movement. he also got into the race pretty late so he tubt' have to announce his fund-raising numbers and that's helpful. scott walker mark murray thank you for joining us. appreciate that. >> and still ahead how long can donald trump keep it up?

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there's a lot going on this morning. some of the other headlines making news with today's panel, from "the washington post," a lot of people watched this yesterday after wimbledon win, williams isn't stopping to enjoy the serena slam. serena williams fourth grand slam win at wimbledon. is she the greatest athlete of all-time? it's tough to argue with that. this interesting exchange happened on twitter afterwards, author j.k. roelg was praising williams. some responded because she "built like a man" and rowling "she's built like a man, yeah my husband looks just like this in a dress."

j.k. rowling that got a lot of attention. greatest athlete of all-time espn did a list 10 or 20 years ago, they put a horse on that. >> the real discussion is and especially if she wins u.s. open and has the calendar grand slam the real discussion is whether she's the greatest women's tennis player of all time and she's got a strong case there. it's her versus and a halfnavritilova. >> it's very cool what she brings to the sport of tennis very cool. it's a really great week for women's sports. >> i can't believe i got all excited about that match. >> a lot of people too. this is from the "l.a. times" new airlines seat arrangement, looks to increase passenger. you got to see this one of the world's largest airline seat makers zodiac reconfigures seats on airplanes so every other passenger is facing toward

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after donald trump's explosive speech in phoenix. how big can the trump phenomena get? how long can it last? we'll have the latest on his remarks in just awe minute. also coming up this hour bernie sanders and hillary clinton going head to head. he is surging now. does the self-described socialist from vermont have the staying power to one the nomination? plus negotiations coming down to the wire with iran and greece as well. we'll break down the best and worst case scene naur yos in a bit and a mysterious explosion at the water's edge has people inry afraid to if to the beach today. live report and much much more all ahead, but we begin this hour in arizona, ground zero for that brouling debate over uhm grags. donald trump's views have cost him business in the last few weeks and tested the patience of the republican party. last night in front of an overflow crowd in know fix at an event that featured joe are

pieia, sheriff of maricopa count yu, his views won him a devoted following along the border. >> i had an idea. i think it's good. every time mexico really intelligently sends people over we charge mexico $100,000 for every person they send other. >> trump spoke in total for more than an hour covering a lot of ground that had nothing to do with immigration, touching even at one point on his romantic past. >> which is good because i always want to be loved. when i went on dates if a woman dropped me which happened often, i would always like to say at least in my own mind that i dropped her. does that make sense? so what happened -- makes me feel better. >> more relevant to his run for president, the donald also addressing criticism in his views on issues luke health kaur reform have evolved over the

years. >> we've got to repeal it and replace it with something good and we have to take care you know you know this doesn't sound very conservative we have to take care of everybody, not just the people up here. we've got to take care of everybody, okay? i love you conservatives, get used to it take care of everybody, please. >> trump defended his previous donations to democrats which have drawn criticism from fellow republicans. >> i know the system better than anybody. i'm a donor. somebody said oh, you gave to the democrats. of course i gave to the democrats. i give to everybody. i want to get everything done. everybody loves me. everybody loves me. i give to everybody. >> donald trump got a lot of love from that crowd in phoenix yesterday, currently drawing bigger crowds than anyone else on the republican side so how much support can he build, how long can this last. amanda is luf, tell us what it was like in that room.

>> reporter: good morning, steve. you think the maun appeal for many of the supporters who quam out here yesterday they see trump as a straight talker. they've known about him for years so he has strong name recognition and for his controversial comments on immigration many here thought that this is what many in the party already view and that he's just surmly the one that's able to say it out loud but that being said i don't think everyone in the crowd was 100% sold on donald trump. i think many see there's a clear ceiling as to whether or not he can be president. they see him as a savvy businessman. can he sell the rest of the party as a policy man. whether or not he has lasting power yet to be known. he did draw significant crowds yesterday and gave a place for the in a toughists within the party to gravitate toward. >> thank you, amman ka out in fee nux, arizona. we have jackie kusinich, philip

stutts and bob herbert. i don't know where to begin with trump's feechspeech but the people he's appealing to the voters he's appealing to. seems he's stumbling on something sitting in front of republicans for a long time now. it's not just -- it's the nativeism, he's getting the anti-immigration core of the party but listen to what he had to say about health care i know we have to talk with everybody. one of the things republican parties had a lot of success is support with white working class voters. trump is getting this sort of economic populous marrying nativeism with economic nationalism. i think back to pat buchanan used to do this and got far with it 20 years ago. >> pat buchanan was an intelligent guy and there was some thought behind his positions. >> he wasn't talking about former girl friends. >> this guy is free associating. whatever comes off the top of

his head. we have to take care of everybody, get used to it conservatives, et cetera, et cetera. >> it's all fun and games until you need a policy pauper. >> he'll have the biggest and the best. >> top tier top shelf. >> what he's doing is one of the most important things for the republican party make inroads with latino voters and he's killing that destroying that. >> he's got hints of truth in a lot of the things he says and that's resonating. he's going over the top with it but he does have hints of truth so much so that the sanctuary cities are coming up and what happened in san francisco and hillary clinton came out last week we need to rein in some of the sanctuary cities. there is a lot of truth in some of the things he's saying. he's so bombastic, by the way that bombastic speech usually gets you a tv contract. ironically he lost it.

>> how far do you think this goes? again, we were saying before the show philip you were on a month ago, we didn't talk about donald trump at all. now a month later he's all anybody is talking about in politics. we're still six months away from the first votes being cast in the republican primaries and the point is always made it's true think back to 2011 and herman cain and michele bachmann had their time. how far do you think trump can take this? >> it's awe good question. you mentioned several times what does he want to do in terms of financing this campaign. how muchdus attorneyeur can he stand? he says he'll self-finance so i think it goes as far as the money carries him and might not be that far but in terms of media corrage as long as he's around and popping off the media will cover this guy. >> i send to think the

republican voters got tired of him. chris matthews is struggling with the straight talk wears thin are a while. that's where trump may switch over so he can make it to november. >> that has to have republicans terrified. >> there's only six months to last for him. if he wants to make it last another 18 months he shoots for it. >> comments getting him in trouble with conservatives, he said liberal things talking about running as an independent in the 2000 election. the republican field is wide open as trump's scent attests the race for the democratic dom naugs hillary clinton and bernie sanders. clinton is set to give her first major speech on economic policy tomorrow. sanders use the the support from

progressives to attract enormous crowds bigger than donald trump's like this one in wisconsin, nearly 10,000 people there. it's also led to a surge in husband poll numbers especially in iowa and new hampshire, the first two states that will hold nominating contests. sanders could win in iowa and new hampshire and lose everywhere else. how far can he take this? >> i always thought that bernie sanders could hurt hillary clinton significantly at the tomb, when you was talking about it a while ago i was thinking about him doing better than expected in new hampshire. i was not thinking of him winning iowa and new hampshire. if he wins both of those primaries the press will go nutsz and talk about what happens to the clinton machine. there's a danger of bernie sanders peaking too early, getting so much attention and

this thing can eventually flame out because he'll make huff a target, need abawful lot of money to mach a long run and i'm not sure how well he does in terms of pry mares after iowa. >> if we can put newspapers up to know you what happened starting in iowa in may clinton was beating him 60-15. week ago it's down to 52-33, within 20 points of clinton in iowa. look at new hampshire this poll came out about three weeks ago 43-35, within ten points of hillary clinton in new hampshire. jackie i heard the argument made by people who look at bernie sanders' poll numbers nationally, all of the people who a year ago were telling posters if it was hillary clinton versus eliz wet warren all the people answering warren are now answering sabders but when are rehn looked at the numbers a year ago that's not enough, i don't want to run in this race. >> there's always the progressive part of the party

that does not trust clbt clinton. she's presenting tomorrow and they're saying fine i don't think you'll do this. i would caution about getting too excited about the crowds. i went to rein a upon paul rally in my day and always a lot of people there. when it came down to it and people were casting their vote. >> the democrats may be flurty i don't know how to end it staying with hullry. if i you this they turn to joe biden is an opportunity if hullry can't get it done the next time, i think joe biden has it. >> that's the thing, too. the sort of commentary this week, if sanders won iowa and if he won new hampshire then demographically look at the rest of the primary counties. i'm trying to imagine a world

where hillary clinton loses uwith a, turns around and loses new hampshire. in that world there's an opening for somebody else an absolute panic and meltdown taking place. let's talk about the speech he's giving tomorrow this is the big economic policy speech we aring if to hear from hillary clinton, these are the issues bernie sanders his bread and butter issues it's economic progressivism. hillary clinton will put her your out there. what are you expecting? >> you think bernie had an uhm pact on hullry in terms of her view of economic issues she knows she's got to become more popular, had to move more to the left that will probably continue and i think that that's the biggest effect that bernie's candidacy can have the to make hillary a more liberal candidate and more of a populist on economic issues with hullry still getting the nominations. very difficult for me to see at this point someone actually taking that nom naugs awayination

away from her. >> when you look at the speech he's giving tomorrow are there any surprises? do you see new issues that she has to embrace now or she's begun to embrace that maybe she didn't want to? >> i think tomorrow i wouldn't expect a lot of details. it will be a lot of some of the traditional democratic fare but i do hear what you're saying and do think that she's very much watching her left flarng in a way she not have before. the speech tomorrow talking about her policy positions which are pretty much i don't think anything changed rather than concrete details. >> you see the slow roll out of the hillary clinton campaign reached the major policy speech phase on economics. we'll see what she has to say tomorrow. still ahead more and more likely that donald trump will be part of the first two republican debates. who will get the other nine

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we could right now be just hours away from greece's exit from the eurozone. finance leaders from the 19 countries that use the euro are meeting today to discuss whether to extend yet another bailout to greece. eu's president canceled a previously scheduled summit to focus on these negotiations. eight hours of talks yesterday led to no aparent breakthrough

des. there is lots of skepticism among the rest of europe that greece will be able to comply with the concessions it made. greek banks could run out of money by the end of this week. here to discuss the cruiseis are msnbc trubtor jared bernstein, senior fellow with the center on budget and policy priorities and steve moriiucci, chief economist. we had the parliament in greece made its move yesterday here are the terms we're willing to accept terms to what was on the table before the referendum a couple weeks ago. what should the eu be doing today? >> they have to decide whether they can trust the greek government to implement some of the measures that they and by they i mean the tsipras government have agreed to. now, these are measurements these are ideas that continue

this so-called austerity program. the greeks have to collect more of the taxes owed and they have to cut spending in areas such as pensions and reform the labor market in ways that some of these european creditors are unu.s. issing particularly germany. however it's very important to realize that the amount of economic pain these austerity measures have already meted out in greece is severe. the unploumt rate there is 25% for young people it's 50%. there are truly great depression indicators there that look a lot like our depression in the 30s. the idea of uhm posing more austerity on the greek economy is not a good one. that said if they're going to make an agreement the creditors have to believe greece will say

what it's going to do. >> the argument is made the creditors, eu germany have been too harsh in what they have demanded from greece in terms of austerity measures. it was written greece needs unconditional humanitarian aids needs americans to buy its products and show solidarity." what do you say to that? >> the greece store yu is a simple one that isn't being told enough. this is socialism in a state of collapse. i disagree there's no government austerity in greece. this government spends over half of the gdp of the country, a country where you have two-thirds of the people are retiring before the age of 60. it's a country where half the people under the age of ta are not working, the classic example of sbumps more and more people

getting soft pensions or government welfare benefits and at enough people pulling the wagon and everybody in the wagon. if they do this kind of new line of credit eis enlshl which the greening government that's no solution. if they extend the terms for six months or a year they'll have the same conversation six months or a year from now. they'll not be able to repay the loans because they haven't structurally reformed their government. they might have to sell one of the islands to come up with the money so they can repay the loans and the germans, some of the hardest working people in europe and germany is the one country that's working in terms of economically the ger man citizens are saying why should we have to pay for the lavish benefits the people get in greece when they're not working. >> i hear this a lot, too, when the subject comes up what steve was just saying the idea that

greece was basically profligate when it came to the social benefits it was offering people. people retiring at 45 50 years ago. it's a terrible crieses they're facing these are harsh measures but that's the price they're paying for benefits like that. >> steve moore may be the only person i've heard, i think he is, who says there's no austerity in greece. there is no one who would agree with the statement including the germans who know they're imposing's tier measures on the greek economy. that's flatly wrong and factually wrong in terms of work hours. greeks work more hours than germans, that said there have been deep structural problems and pensions are part of it. the biggest problem is failure to collect taxes owed. in most countries they collect

90%, in greece 10%. that must change. hour it is a very big, you have fundamental very important mistake to blame the greeks as being reckless borrowers and not also recognize there are reckless lenders as well. if you know that person can't repay you, that person is a reckless borrower but you are a reckless lender and therefore when it comes to fixing this both sides need to compromise. i think that's unquestionably what's holding things up and interestingly we've begun to see a little bit of that in the last week. the imf, one of the important legs of theroika school of the creditor creditors, we have to discharge some of the greek debt. >> go ahead steve. >> here is the problem with this. first of all, i looked at the gdp statistics for greece.

they were spending about 42%, 43% of gdp in terms of government ten years ago. last year they went up to 59% of gdp. >> they're spending more and more on government and their private sector is shrinking. it's a death spiral. the big picture and reason that it matters so much for the rest of the world, greece is only the size of indiana and in the grand scheme of things it doesn't matter a lot. the one thing jared and i would agree on the imf, every country the imf goes into it destroys. i think we agree on that but here is the problem. you've got eight or ten other countries that have these kinds of loans with the imf and a panic going on in the financial markets that if greece doesn't repay its bills or get these generous terms that's the same thing that will happen with spain and italy and france

portugal and venezuela. >> today it is right now looming, this is decision day for the eu on the fate of greece in the eu. thanks to jared bernstein and steve moore. still ahead even if a deal is reached over iran's nuclear program it is still up to congress to sign off on that deal. we'll be joined live by one of the most influential senators on the issue, senator chris murphy of connecticut. >> first the mysterious explosion on a new england beach. what mugt have caused the blast that sent one woman to the hospital. luf report is next. fire it up! ♪ am i the only one with a meeting? i've got two. yeah we've gotta go. i gotta say it man this is a nice set-up. too soon. just kidding. nissan sentra. j.d. power's "highest ranked compact car in initial quality." now get 0% financing or a great

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actually caused that blast, they do say there's no reason to keep the beach closed. kristen dahlgren is live the assaulty brine beach. what do you know? this is baffling. >> reporter: you know what? not that much. it's still a mystery out here. i know that people are back on this beach. someone walked by and said welcome to kaboom beach. they're joking. if anyone is worried they're not showing it. there was a line of people at 6:00 a.m. to get onto this beach. police finally removed the tape that they had up after evacuating the beach yesterday and the crowds came. they're out here today happened back by the jettie a woman sitting around 11:15 yesterday morning a beautiful day like this and boom all of a sudden she's thrown out of her chair into that wall. she was alert and is expected to be okay but police immediately closed off the beach, evacuated

it and they began their investigation trying to fug out just what happened. they took piles of the sand for evaluation literally sifting through it. they were able to determine it didn't look like terrorism, didn't look like a bomb at all. there were no gas lines in the area. the investigation continues. they're still trying to figure out exactly what happened but they ruled they didn't think anyone was going to be in any danger so they reopened the beach. people back out here today and they don't seem too worried about whatever it was striking twice. >> all right, kristen dahlgren stay safe and thanks for the report atthe assaultat salty brine beach. authorities add the tunnel guzman used to make his escape had a motorcycle built on rails, yes, actually what you're hearing, a motorcycle. also apparently get this a

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know but wants to bomb everybody. >> carly fiorina. >> viciously fired at hewlett-packard and ran against barbara boxer and got killed in a landslide. now she's going to run for president. >> that is a preview of what the first republican presidential debate could sound like with donald trump on the stage with all those other candidates just three and a half weeks from today. remember how this is going to work there's a whole bunch of republicans running for president ten tickets to that first debate and who is going to be on that stage with trump? check out who else would make it based on numbers. remember what they're doing here is taking an average of the five most recent polls before the debate and given the top ten tickets to the debate so here is the newest individual poll that came out, this was just yesterday this was reuters poll jeb bush first place, donald trump 0.3 of a point behind him. chris christie, rand paul. chris christie moving up

interesting to keep an eye on. let's average all the numbers together right now if they were doing that debate and you took the five most recent polls and averaged them these are the ten candidates who would be on that stage, jeb bush safely in donald trump a couple weeks ago we were looking at the numbers and trump was at the borderline. he would safely be in this debate with his numbers moving up. chris christie would get the last ticket in right now, who would be out of the debate? every other candidate you didn't see on this list. you got eight of them right here none of these candidates would make it. rick santorum would come the closest. carly fiorina mind him. you can soom in like when they do the ncaa tournament. this is the double. ted cruz an average of 3.8, perry 3.8, christie 3.6. the first three out and what a fine line it is separating not being in the debate, not getting that exposure and millions of people watching you versus getting all of that and that is

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override it. the president invited senate democrats over for cocktails and hors d'oeuvres in the estate dining room at the white house tuesday to discuss a number of issues and reportedly reassured them about the iran deal according to the one senator who attended the meeting. obama sawed he would not sign a deal where the u.s. wouldn't be able to assure that all pathways for awe nuclear bomb for iran are blocked. we have one of the senators joining us now democrat chris murphy of connecticut sits on the foreign relations committee. thanks for being here this morning. there was news one of the things the president told you guys was that he thought at that point there was less than a 50% chance of a deal. now we get reports out of vienna a deal might be much closer. where is your sense of where things stand? i've gone up and down over the course of the last several days. i was optimistic and hearing the pessimism of the president.

the iranians are having a hard time because in part this represents a fundamental paradigm shift in tehran the first significant victory for the moderates over the hard liners in a long time and that doesn't come without pain and without awe lot of pushback but what was interesting about that meeting that we had with the president this was a question and answer session and there were probably about a half dozen questions asked of them. knob of them were on iran. he went out of his way to make it clear to those of us in attendance that he was not going to sign a bad deal. he was prepared to walk away from the taubl and expressed that he was sick and tired of people jhunging a deal that hadn't come out. he said i will not sign a deal that doesn't stop iran's pathways to a nuclear weapon. i think that was reassuring for a lot of us to hear. >> hard corerers in the united states. people are going to say it's a

terrible deal. people who don't think there should be negotiations in the first place. lot of your colleagues on capitol hill feel this way. what needs to be in a final deal that can overcome those on strexs? >> i think you have to sort out the rejections first. 90% of the republican caucus will vote against this because president obama signed it. handful will guff it a fair look. at the outset a good deal of opposition in the senate or house is because republicans are looking at this agreement with obama colored lenses but amongst democrats i think that if the final agreement looks like the framework then democrats are going to support this agreement by and large, maybe with a handful of exceptions because that framework really did do everything the president said he wanted to do that many of us agreed as the bottom lines, extend out the time by other a year to when iran could get from breakout to a nuclear weapon and

put most of the provisions of the deal in effect for beyond ten years. i think he'll get more support from democrats. if it veers from the military fraum work then you you this there will be some trouble on capitol hull. >> that is apparently one of the stumbling blocks that's been negotiated or discussed in the last couple of days is about sanctions in place for conventional weapons coming into and out of iran. there are sanctions put in place because of uran's nuclear program and iran in the last week basically saying look if we're going to be negotiating away a nuclear program, then we think the sanctions should go awau with any deal. the united states saying no that is not something we're willing to give in on. is that something in your mund if iran is insisting on that should the united states walk away. >> if iran is insisting on sanctions put on them for nonnuclear related issues for instance their support for terrorism, their abuse of human

rights, then i absolutely think that should be a bottom line. when the president rolled out his framework one of the things he said was that we are not absolving iran from all of their other bad mauvor in the region and we'll continue those sessions. you have been a supporter of these negotiations, i was a supporter of the framework. if all of the sudden a set of sanctions start going away some of the supporters of this deal at the outset may get cold feet. >> if there is no deal because there's been so much talk about the historic potential of reaching some kind of deal with iran but the flipside is if there is no deal what happens? >> well a lot of it depends on where the blame lies. there was a good deal on the table others in the p5 plus 1 reported and the united states decides to walk away then there's trouble. it will be hard to put sanctions

back in place and there will no longer be any pressure on iran to come to the table in the future. they can't give us access to mull tear sites we'll put the sanctions back in place, we'll increase them here in the united states that will certainly be a consequence of negotiations falling apart. hopefully four or six months from now the iranians will come back to the table. there are elections coming up in iran and if a deal falls apart it may be the end of the moderate's reign in tehran. if the hard liners win a half a decade to a decade before we get to the trabl. that's something to keep in mind. >> i want to ask you about the issue of guns this is something you've been very vocal about your state, sandy hook elementary school where the massacre took place a couple of years ago. the fbi admitting in south carolina it filed prevent dylann

roof the shooter in that church from getting that gun. there might be a loophole in the background check laws we have if you change that loophole could be if fixed in the future. gun control surprisingly so for a national candidate these days. do you have any sense having gone through the experience in connecticut, where the whole world was horrified by 20 children being called in the school in connecticut and in terms of a legislative response on the issue of gbz there was nothing in the wake of that. do you have any sense nine people killed in south carolina the news about the fbi and background check that would produce any result legislatively? >> i believe there's a chance for change because it appears this was an unconscionable and egregious hole to get the gun to murder nine people in south carolina. it took the background check system which is vastly

underfunded and understaffed more than three days to figure out he shouldn't have a gun. the law says'gun dealer doesn't hear back in three days they can sell the gun. we should eliminate that loophole and if there's a complex case then the pack ground check system should call the going dealer and say let me sort out whether this is a trimor not. he already walked out of the store with the gun he used. we know laws matter in sandy hook. if adam lanza hadn't walked into the elementary school with a semiautomatic weapon that was automobile to spray hundreds of bullets in five minutes, it would still be little boys and girls alouvre today. laws do matter. i'm glad hillary clinton is speaking up. she has 90% of the american public with her. on this loophole question get this done over the course of

this legislative session. it's not as politically explosive as some of the other issues are. >> chris murphy thanks for your time this morning. >> thanks steve, up next the day after the confederate flag came down for good in south carolina, something else ended in that state as well. those details are ahead as we continue. stay with us. leave early go roam sleep in sleep out star gaze dream big wander more care less beat sunrise chase sunset do it all. on us. get your first month's payment plus five years wear and tear coverage. make the most of summer... with volvo. teaching science can get pretty messy. drop! watch this... so i switched to tide pods they're super concentrated so i get a better clean. 15% cleaning ingredients or 90%. don't pay for water, pay for clean.

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in benghazi and these are what the times observed. that commercial said to me, when you have hillary clinton somewhere, you're going to have a scandal. i felt like it was a really low blow even for dirty politics to put the pictures of the people who were killed in benghazi. i guess a lot of stuff here jumped out at me but one thing is they're still talking about white whitewater. >> whitewater? >> if you throw everything against the wall that happened and i know it's hard to believe democrats would ever do anything like this, they would never be against a republican candidate -- >> i guess why i'm saying no whitewater feels like it was a while ago. >> how do you do an ad on whitewater? it would be so complicated. >> if the republicans side with

donald trump and think that hillary clinton is the whitewater of benghazi she'll be the next president of the united states. >> i think they're trying to throw everything on the wall and use those to their advantage. >> as a republican what do you think swing voters other voters to the swing left what do you think she has? >> she's old, white, and we may have a candidate that's not. >> or you may have one that at least is white, and i don't know how old. who is your oldest candidate? >> maybe jeb. >> trump? >> you got to be very careful about making hillary look like she's being attacked for being old. >> that's why you do the postscripts. >> i think that will be a very fine line particularly if you

have older. >> jeb has been in the game forever. >> this is the thing, it becomes a sensitive issue because it's are we attacking a woman because she's old and there's issues around womenhow women her age are portrayed. age has been unfairly used by most. another headline ends 15-year boycott in south carolina. the naacp's board of directors voted in a resolution to end their 15-year boycott to take down the flag started in 2000. they said they'll lift their boycott on south carolina which prevented that state holding championships. >> they should leave that boycott in effect. south carolina is still restricting the ability of black voters to go to the polls, there is a lawsuit now, they've cut

down on early voting they've gotten rid of same-day registration. they're doing everything they can to keep black folks at a minimum. i think the naacp moved prematurely. >> interesting. interesting. we get one more quick one here. this is from the "new york times." three new national monuments are established by president obama. the president announced on friday he's preserving the barry essus snow mountain in california, the bay ridge in nevada. this is the 19th time the president has expanded national monuments. unfortunately we don't have time to go to the panel for witty comments on this. bob herbert, thanks for getting up with us today. up next is melissa harris-perry. stay tuned, you don't want to miss her. we will see you same time next week. have a great week.

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