this morning my question. seriously, who is it that does not want to have a body like serena? plus texas attempts to rewrite history. and singing star bolo comes to the mainland. less money all around the world. good morning, i'm melissa harris-perry. on wednesday the new york stock exchange suddenly halted all trading for more than three hours because of a computer glitch. it was the longest the iconic stock exchange was closed due to a technical error in its nearly 200-year history. but it didn't really even affect the market that much. most trades were seamlessly rerouted to other exchanges. nobody panicked. sure it gave news outlets a chance to use their favorite pictures of brokers look beinging stressed out, even though few traders actually go to the stock

market anymore. all in all, it wasn't a big deal for the actual stock market. in the rest of the world, markets are in an upheaval. in china markets have been in a three-week crash losing a third of their value, or $3 trillion. we'll get to that but first i want to turn to a different part of the world: greece. the greek government is trying to scramble back from the brink after defaulting last week on a major debt payment of the imf. banks have been closed for the last two weeks and people have been limited to $60 a day from the atms. they are asking their fellow european members for more loans over what would be the third bailout since the greek debt crisis back in 2010. they've already received two bailouts in the last five years. the country has not recovered.

unemployment is 26% and 51% for people under the age of 25. now greece is asking for a new bailout and restructuring of its debt. it costs another 70 billion euro. its proposal includes several austerity measures including tax increases and cut to pensions. the greek people just voted against a referendum a week ago today. now, to begin the 11th hour negotiations to save greece from entire financial collapse the finance ministers have been huddled in brussels trying to work out a deal based on greece's proposal but there is a lot of skepticism about greece's ability to pull itself out of the hole even with another big bailout. ahead of yesterday's meeting, the eurozone's top official says there are many concerns about, quote, the content of the proposals, but also on the even more difficult issue of trust. how can we really expect this government to implement what it's now promising? without a deal by the time

greece's next loan payment comes due on july 20 greece could be out of the eurozone and out of cash. joining me now in new york is lisa cook associate professor of economics and international relations at michigan state university, peter goodman, editor and chief for the international business times, and author of "the coming collapse of china," which will be coming in our next block. let's stay on greece for just one second. let's ask this basic question that seems a little bit in debate. did greece default on its debts? >> yes, greece did default on its debt. the imf's technical terms, they're in arrears, but they failed to pay back the money they owed the monetary fund under the bailout. that's why we're here. they need more money or the banks will collapse and if the banks collapse there will be a further economic unraveling. >> that economic unraveling seems to be a big part of the question. that is a problem, right? we certainly know it's a problem

for greece but how wide a problem is it if in fact there is an unraveling due to greece? >> most europeans think they will not spread this crisis to other eurozone countries, but i'm not sure that this is actually true. i mean they think greece has been given time the eurozone has been given time to shield themselves against any contagion. i'm not sure that's necessarily true. >> so greece is among one of the last countries to end the eurozone in that last round. it does feel like there is a little bit of well you're not really european like the rest of us. so if you had to go off you could go because there is a central, like we are the european nations and you're the greeks. >> they should go because i don't think the euro makes sense. you don't have budget and tax decisions being made by the european central bank. the problem is when you have an economy which is in such trouble like greece is you want to have a chief currency so you can sort

of adjust. the euro prevents that. i think if greece was out of the euro, this would be much better for the greeks and i think it would be better for the other eurozone countries as well. because this four or five-year crisis is just agony. >> i would agree but i'm not so sure having floating currency is going to be the panacea. i think that greece had a number of problems before it even showed up at the eurozone door. certainly i would say that staying in the eurozone for now is something that should be done certainly not -- it should not leave the eurozone today. >> but to his point, continued austerity, and let's be clear, when we talk about austerity, it really isn't idealogy. there is idealogy in terms of prescription for an economy in depression to a doctor suggesting that we bleed patients. but what's really going on is

the germans have decided they want to protect their banks at the expense of this idealized european project. >> or that their banks are in trouble, and i would disagree having sat across the table from the imf negotiations. it is idealogy it is religion. >> i want to push on that a little bit about austerity, because we hear the word austerity -- we're in a conversation that, so if i'm a listener sitting right now in detroit and i'm like, i hear austerity, and in my experience in detroit, that means some very specific things for the experience, right, of people living on the ground. >> the pensioners in greece so more euros can go to the german banks that made a terrible loan. >> what does that mean if i'm a greek pensioner? >> it means you've already seen roughly 25% of your money evaporate. it means there's no stability in the future. it means if you accept continued austerity, ie more cuts your

future is even less palatable than it is today. if you're in the euro there are linkages in the global financial system that could be disturbing. that's probably a better bet at this point than more of the same. >> i would disagree. we don't know the extent of the uncertainty that will be unveiled if these contracts were rewritten, if the new drokma were introduced. >> you talk about idealogy. the euro is idealogy. the euro is the sort of embodiment of all european countries being in one big project, and that doesn't make sense, because germany and greece are so different. what we got right now is that german exporters are really being helped by a relatively cheap currency at the expense of the euros. >> so help me then to think a little bit. when you say the language of religion, because as a political

scientist engaging in that world of social sciences i'm always a little bit surprised when economists are allowed to make policy. i only sort of mean that as a joke. but the imf, in a post the humans were sitting there with the imf talking about austerity measures in a nation that had just come out of genocide for goodness sake. i wonder if we think about austerity as the hammer solution to every single economic problem even if in fact there's not a nail. >> let me speak to the point directly. one of the things that happened was they came with a plan that should work for a small open economy. who cares if it was rwanda? so we had to -- one of the first things they wanted to do was increase tax revenue. how do you do that? you introduce a personal income tax and introduce taxes on small businesses. they never paid taxes before. so you're asking people who had

just come out of a genocide to introduce new measures they had never seen before. >> so is any of that happening -- is this part of why you're suggesting a move away from the euro so greece can respond in its own national context? >> absolutely because the answer ultimately is growth for the greek economy. the greek economy is 25% smaller than it was a half decade ago, and this is just going to be more flood letting as you're talking about. what they need to do is have a stronger economy so they can start paying pensions. >> i disagree. >> these folks are going to keep fighting on the commercial. the bigger problem that may be a bigger mess even than greece. when we come back. simpler faster sleeker earlier fresher harder

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in china stocks begin to rebound this week from a crash that wiped out $3 trillion in equity after the chinese government took extraordinary emergency measures to save the economy. they slashed interest rates of $300 billion to keep large shareholders from selling their stock for six months. it skyrocketed even though china's economic growth had slowed. china says it will do what it takes. they said many markets were in an unsustainable bubble and the crash was needed to bring the market back to reality. gordon, you've been saying for years now the chinese economy is not all it's cracked up to be. as it crashed, i was like oh oh, there it is there it is. >> yeah and certainly what you've got right now, even though you had the rebound on thursday and friday now the stock markets are not functioning like new markets and the financial system is on the verge of being frozen.

the real problem here is they did not have their 2008. they decided they were not going to make the adjustments everybody else was going to make, so what they're doing right now is they had built up this big stimulus program, imbalance is a real problem, and now you have political infighting where you can see a lot of people lose their jobs including, perhaps the premiere of the country who is the economic czar. this is serious for the political system as well as the economics. >> i want to talk about the political system because in the land of the internet where all people's opinions are absolutely equivalent, there is always a critique of your position on china that you are more the doom doomsayer but the economics are true. the economics are different, so they go in and make a whole lot of decisions that the u.s. government couldn't make for shoring it up. is the chinese system in some sort of chaos, or are we seeing something that doesn't fit with

their politics? >> they have a political issue that's been going on since 2012. you have a lot of infighting among senior members. you have a break in control. there are all sorts of things going on and now you have a crash where some say was caused by people who didn't like the leader of the country. i think that's ridiculous but you do have this infighting that's going to have political consequences, you're going to see a lot of senior leaders fall because of the problems in the economy. >> please go ahead. >> i was going to say, let's not get carried away. china does have fundamental economic problems. its old model, subsidizeing exports, dumping them on world markets, having migrant workers stream to the cities. that's breaking down because the cost of labor is higher. people are commenting about environmental pollution, the land deals, that's part and parcel. but the stock market is not coming to an end. 70% of people are invested in

the stock market. even after this massive correction, the market is up 7% in the past year. it's probably going to come back more because it's overvalued. most of these investors never thought they were trading in a real market anyway. the whole reason people have charged in the stock market in recent times is because the real estate bubble has begun to come apart and the government pushed people into the market. what's ironic about this is the stock market collapse which is a big deal is much more of a political event than an economic event. it hurts confidence in the system it does expose to gordon's point, rifts over economic policymaking but this economy is not koomcoming down because of the stock market and probably not coming down at all. >> if i was on a treadmill at the health club and i didn't see china underneath but i heard just your discussion and we were talking about quality, infrastructure inefficient government, i would think we

were talking about the u.s. i guess part of what is interesting to me is that for china, for greece we have these measures around kind of government ineffectiveness, sort of people losing faith in political leaders, growing inequality troubling lack of investment and infrastructure, and that makes me nervous about where we are. >> so that's a fair point. i think the difference between those countries and those economies and ours is that we have a constitution. you know, we're going to kick the bums out every election but there will still be a constitution. we have some sort of policy certainty. so we have a dollar for example, that is based on confidence. this is still a safe haven economy, still a safe haven currency. they're still going to come to us. you can't say the same for greece. those are fragile institutions. you can't say the same for china because there is a lot going on and institutions are being subtle. you can't say the same of a number of different countries.

but that makes us different. >> so our sort of historical trajectory, sort of our what we have -- yet i look at china having this big stock market crash and yet hanging out of bricks, right, and being there with a group of political and economic leaders that are trying to challenge the current hedging of the u.s. and the euro and others. >> but when you think about russia, a big part of the bricks india is very different from china and russia. india and the united states are actually really good friends right now. we talk about bricks but it really isn't a grouping at all. you know when lisa talks about the confidence on the dollar that's absolutely right. people are putting their money into the u.s. because they're having so many problems. why are there so many chinese on the streets in new york city? why are they buying all these condominiums? it's because the united states is resilient and strong. >> but i think what you're underscoring here, melissa, it goes to the fact that none of these models are doing

particularly well. people in the united states fundamentally understand that our model has taken us to a place where people are working sometimes two jobs and still not coming up with enough to pay the rate for middle class life the chinese model is really struggling, the russian model looks like a joke. >> but peter, this is global trends, though that when you talk about the problems in the u.s. with workers, i think that's really a manifestation not of problems in the u.s. really, but problems in the global economy. there are certain trends there are realities and they are having an effect. >> so pause because that's exactly where i want to go next. so what is your experience as a worker? do you really work 40 hours a week, and do you, in fact need to get paid more work less? let's see what the president and maybe some presidential hopefuls have to say about that. but to get from the old way to the new you'll need the right it infrastructure. from a partner who knows how to make your

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editorial board in new hampshire about how to get the economy growing at a faster rate. >> they need to be willing to work longer hours and through your productivity gain more income for families. that's the only way we're going to get out of this rut that we're in. >> that was a mess. democrats pounced and quickly criticized bush, accusing him of being out of touch in the lives of working americans, pointing out that they already work many hours, far past the 40-hour standard work week. it's true americans work an average of 47 weeks. just last week president obama made new overtime rules that would make salary workers making $55,000 a year eligible for overtime pay. >> we're making more workers eligible for the overtime you've earned. that's one of the single most important steps we can take to help grow middle class wages. it's going to give as many as 5 million americans, including 80,000 folks right here in

wisconsin, the overtime protections they deserve. >> i get that jeb was awfully inartful in that but giving him the greatest benefit of the doubt, what he's saying is there are 6.5 million americans who work part-time who would like to work full-time, which is very different than saying you all need to work longer hours, right? i guess i'm a little surprised that the new rule isn't a bottoms up it isn't let's raise that minimum wage to $15 an hour, that they're going for the middle. i want my colleagues to explain to me what does this mean that the cap almost doubles who can make overtime? >> it's potentially helpful in the margin's step. the solution -- and i think this is what jeb was trying to say -- we need more paychecks in america that actually pay the cost of american life. >> see, that sound different. >> go back 30 years. the average american worker we're talking 80% of the rank and file work force, has actually gotten a pay cut or has

seen their wages stagnate while the cost of health care housing, higher education have gone up. that's not tenable. that's a large part of how we ended up in the great recession, how we have the financial unraveling in 2008 with all these people going more to the banks than their how'suses were worth. it's not because people bought yachts, yes, there's some of that, but mostly it's because people understood that to get their children educated and in front of doctors when needed and live in a decent place, they would have to borrow. >> this is a marginal contribution to get into somewhere a more normal economy. but he's not the one who has the power. congress has the power to raise the minimum wage. that's actually i think, what jeb bush should be addressing. >> i hear you. and this was a week that was odd for me because i felt like such a democrat and republican at the same time. because on the one hand i get this. like absolutely people should make paychecks that actually pay

for their lives. my grandfather, like drove a wonder bread delivery truck and was able to raise five kids send them to college and have a wife that never worked full-time outside the home. that is, like, beyond imagining for americans anymore. on the other hand, what our new reality is people do work 40 to 50 hours a week. here my republican hat is on now. when we employ people given that's the new norm all of a sudden once you hit that 40 hours, i am paying time and a half -- i hear you saying it's going to help with the margins and then i worry, it's not a marginal change if you're a big institution with tons of salaried employees. >> the reality here is we're competing not among ourselves in a u.s. economy, we're competing in a global one. east asians would agree with jeb bush that we should be working harder. i agree that the stat stigsistics show we do work as hard as they do.

>> increases in productivity could go up. >> that really separates us from other countries. we're competing with low wage countries, and what we need to do is probably have more of these free trade agreements and we're going to have to enforce them because we want everyone in the world to have the same labor standards and same environmental standards. >> if we raise the labor standards, we're not -- >> some of this is happening on its own. chinese wages are going up. productivity is going up their wages are going up. so at the end of the day, the jobs we thought were really cheap are going to be enough. >> if we invest in infrastructure in a serious way, if we make it easier for people to get through college without having to end up in hock for the rest of their lives, there are some things we can do absent the global economy that would make it an awful lot easier for people to make a living in the united states. >> and what i'm wondering is

whether or not this rule is -- i was so surprised that the rule came at the middle rather than at the bottom and i guess part of what i was wondering is if that is political. it's people who make the 30 to 50,000 who vote as opposed to people who make under 20,000. >> it certainly helps with rank and file union members to turn out and keep battle states. the economic policy is going to change the game sufficiently. >> unless we have salaried employees to change the game. i appreciate the way you put it in context and help us understand how it impacts what's happening in the united states. thank you to peter goodman and also to gordon chang. coming up later, we're going to talk about the real magic of "magic mike." first, moral monday is coming to my doorstep and we're going to have that story a little later.

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iran's nuclear negotiations are now into the 16th day without agreement. diplomats involved in these talks say they're getting closer and it is still possible to reach their monday deadline. joining me from vienna is and rhee -- andrea mitchell. on the show yesterday you detailed the arms embargo and how that's a sticking point. they need to sort it out in the next 16 hours. >> there are several major issues, i'm told but they could reach a provisional deal tonight and announce it formally tomorrow subject to approval by heads of the state and their governors. any of this is possible. of course, they've been saying

this for a number of days now, but we're getting cautionary notes from some of the delegations, more positive optimistic statements from others. major issues still need to be resolved. there is the possibility that by the end of the day today, we will know more and know whether there is a likelihood of an announcement tomorrow. the iranians are also telling us that there is a lot of paperwork that still needs to be done and it could take yet another day, but there is soon to be a growing momentum and consensus. once the russians arrive back here in the next couple of hours and the rest of the ministers gather around the table tonight, look at what has been written, communicated back to their capitals and we could have an announcement tomorrow. >> nbc's andrea mitchell in havana, you've been on watch with this and we appreciate the work you've been up to. up next moral monday is coming to my new hometown in

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time for a pop quiz. pens ready? what is jim crow? what is the ku klux klan? final. what caused the civil war? pens down. are you feeling confident about your answers or are you a little unsure? well new social studies textbooks based on standards imposed by texas's partisan board of 2010 wants to make sure we're all a little fuzzy about this history. these state guidelines make no mention of jim crow or the kkk. as for the causes of the civil war, it was caused by sectionalism, state's rights and slavery written deliberately in that order. never mind the state's declaration of causes which explains that texas broke from the union to preserve its right to practice slavery, quote lging,

we hold as undeniable truths that the governments of the various states were established exclusively by the white race for themselves and their pos terty, that the african race had no agency in their establishment, that they were rightfully held and regarded as an inferior and dependent race and in that condition only could their existence in this country be rendered beneficial or tolerable. this is not just about texas. because the state is the second largest market for textbooks in the country, textbook publishers are more likely to comply with their standards. meaning the texas version of history could rewrite the story for all american school children. joining me now from austin is kathy miller president of the texas freedom network. nice to see you this morning. >> thank you for having me. >> we have been obviously in this debate for the past couple weeks leading up to the decision to remove the confederate flag in south carolina and that has

a lot of the country talking about kind of the sifrlcivil war again. in that conversation what have you learned about what we have been teaching and how we might be getting it wrong? >> i think that the conversation that's happening about the confederate flag and confederate statues is really important, but you're doing the right thing by taking a step back and asking the question what are we teaching our kids in public schools about the confederacy. in texas, in 2010 our highly politicized state board of education decided they would list slavery as the third most important cause of the civil war, with one member arguing it was just a side issue. even though textbooks include the civil war as a cause, they also include state's rights which muddies what students understand about what even states' rights was, which was the right to buy and sell human beings in slavery. this is just a critically important issue, and as you mentioned, texas is a huge consumer of textbooks, which

means some of the textbooks based on our flood standards end up in states around the country. >> so why is texas so partisan in this particular set of education-based decision making? >> texas' state board of education has 15 members who are elected in partisan elections every four years. and instead of listening to experts and historians and teachers in our classrooms, they come up with a political agenda. for too long they've inserted their own political ideas into our students' textbooks and the curriculum. we could make changes but the texas legislation has refused to do that. >> a textbook is obviously one tool in a classroom. i guess part of what i'm wondering is if i'm a teacher whether in texas or anywhere else, does it really matter? can't i teach what i want to teach as long as it is accurate reasonable, within some kind of broader curriculum in the classroom?

do i really have to stay in that sentence as it is in the textbook? >> no, you don't have to. but some schools have the luxury to have resources, have curriculum specialists and other folks to review instructional materials and help develop a curriculum that would be able to address and fix the problems that the state board of education inserts into the curriculum standards. other districts are very small, and so you're kind of given this, students will be tested on the curriculum standards adopted at the state level, so teachers are put in a very difficult position. many, many teachers do this very very well. we just need to remove the politics from the classroom and let them do their jobs. >> you talked for just a moment there about the idea of the testing. and i guess part of what i wonder is if on the one hand this seems critically important. on the other hand i keep thinking my biggest fear for historical knowledge among american school children is simply that standardized

high-stakes testing mostly on sort of very basic levels of math and english that is sort of outside of literature but just these sort of basic skills is keeping us from learning any of the kind of integrated historical, social scientific knowledge in the broadest sense. >> well the testing culture is as highly politicized as the textbook culture is. we have moved away from listening to teachers and listening to experts from our colleges and universities about what kids need when they graduate right? what do they need to be successful in colleges and jobs? that's where the emphasis needs to be. and when it comes to history, i think that the emphasis on facts and figures and certainly the politicized emphasis in texas means that students aren't understanding why we study history, which is about

understanding ourselves today as much as it is understanding 150 years ago. >> yeah i think as we really saw in this whole conversation around the flag like even to have to keep asserting actually no that flag in south carolina went up on those state house grounds in 1961 not in 1870 right? that, in fact even our most recent history seems to be lost to us. last question then. how long are these standards, the standards the basis for the textbooks? in other words, is this a one-year issue, is this a five-year issue? how long will we be looking at this? >> typically the state board of education in texas reviews their standards every 6 to 10 years and adopts textbooks about that frequently. things are changing in the textbook world because of on-line publishing, so that could be better. the big problem is the board is now refusing to go back and look at these terribly flawed standards. even conservative think tanks have criticized these standards

like whitewashing the issues of the civil war and the struggles. i'm glad to be here just to ask texas voters to continue to pay attention to this, because we ultimately can make the change. >> 6 to 10 years, that's the whole elementary-middle school education of a generation of students. thanks so much to kathy miller in austin texas. and we will be right back. towards the promise of a better existence. but these birds are suffering. because this better place turned out to have an unreliable cell phone network and the videos on their little bird phones kept buffering. birds hate that. ♪ so they came back home. because they get $300 for switching back to verizon. and so can you! verizon, come home to a better network.

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she must first recite the preamble to the constitution. she did. successfully. and having overcome the disen franchising of a racist literacy test miss eton voted and has kept voting for more than 70 years, including casting a ballot in 2012 as president obama was reelected. but casting a vote in the next election could prove tougher for

her. because in august 2013 north carolina's general assembly and the republican governor pat mckory passed house bill 89 into law, and it's been decried by voting rights activists as a monster, in part because it allowed voters to show i.d.s at the polls in 2016. even they there was a bill that passed easing that restriction, this new law refuses to allow people to cast votes outside their precinct and they must do early voting between 7:00 and 10:00. she's not alone. the laws expect to disproportionately impact black voters in the state, 28% of whom voted in the now eliminated extra days of early voting in 2012. but the law has been challenged by the aclu the southern coalition for social justice and

the north carolina chapter of the naacp. the naacp's voting rights case against governor mckory says the house bill violates section 2 of the voting rights act, and the trial begins monday. which is why the morals monday movement is coming to my hometown of winston, north carolina. joining me is the president of the naacp state conference. wren barber, it looks like the law is disen franchising the law that not even the 1940s could do? >> indeed. that's why we're here in salem litigating this case. all the delegates in philadelphia are rooting for us because this is going to set the template for the whole nation. what we've seen in north carolina is a group of legislators with intentionality

take 12 years of work from 2000 to 2012 where we worked hard to expand and enable people to participate in the franchise. early voting was expanded same-day registration sunday voting. in 2010 the first thing they did was pass the worst redistricting plan we've seen since the 19th century and packed 15% of black voters into 27 out of 29 house districts, 47 black voters into senate districts, thereby creating apartheid districts. in 2013 when they took over the majority they went after every law that expanded and enabled the franchise. melissa, here's the uniqueness of it. on august 4th 2013 the anniversary of the assassination of dr. king was when house bill 589 was filed. it was only a voter i.d. but it was the worst voter i.d. in the country. after shelby one of the

legislators said now that the headache has been removed, we can go forth with the full bill. and that's when they added -- >> so reverend barber pause for me on that because i think that headache is part of what i want to push with you on a little bit here because you've heard me say before that moral mondays is a genuine social movement occurring, and i want you to talk a little bit about what's happening on monday in winston-salem. you guys have teachings, you have direct action and this legal action. talk to me about how they all work to address this question of voting rights. >> well you have to have litigation in the courts agitation in the streets and education in the minds and the souls of people. so we go into court at 9:00. when we finish the first day of trial at 5:00 we will have a march in winston-salem, the mass march for voting rights. we will have plaintiffs speak, we will have supporters across the nation. as dr. king called for people to come from all over the nation in

'65, we've made that call here and people are joining us. but all day long we're having teachings at golden memorial ame zion church to make the connection. if you're concerned about economic empowerment, you have to be concerned about voting rights, criminal justice, health care, public education. you have to protect the franchise of voting. so we're connecting the dots. >> i know our new attorney general, attorney general lynch, is from north carolina, was recently there doing some work at another of the hcbus at north carolina's central university. i know a lot of those law faculty have been associated in working with the moral mondays movement. who else would you like to see? i don't know that attorney general lynch would be there on monday, but who would you be making a call to? who do you want to see in winston-salem in what you're calling our selma tomorrow? >> anybody that is concerned about the state of voting rights, what happened in north carolina was our worst fear is coming true. we knew that something was going

to happen once shelby gutted the voting rights act. now we see exactly what will happen and north carolina is the first and the worst. we win this case it rechanges the game. so i know that the same proctor leaders are coming i know the unitarian leaders are coming like jim reed from back in the '60s. we're saying come come. if you are concerned about this country and the soul of this country and the soul of democracy, you need to be here because this case is the case. i don't know why north carolina was chosen but we were chosen. and we have to fight in this moment. melissa, i want your reeders to be -- readers to be clear, this is intentional. 70% of african-americans use early voting. even though we represent 22% of the population over 42% utilize our same-day registration. those things are being rolled

back or have been ended. this is a direct attack. this is the same thing that was done in post-deconstruction after reconstruction in the 1800s. >> so reverend barber, as you know, i live in winston-salem, north carolina now teaching students, and i will be there with msnbc cameras to capture the work you all are doing. i look forward to seeing you tomorrow in winston-salem, north carolina, and who knows who else will make an appearance. before we go to break, we want to give a shout-out to a man who has served for 50 years now. this may have been the week in which he won comic con. congressman john lewis brought a page and a new institution to life yesterday when he appeared at comic con wearing a trench coat and a backpack recreating the outfit he wore when marching across the edmond pettis bridge in alabama in 1965.

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while mhp show was live yesterday, so i couldn't watch until i got home to my dvr. if serena triumphs at the u.s. open she will become the first player since steffi graf in 1988 to complete a grand slam. we profile serena williams and her tennis not in a piece about her spotless career but a piece on her body and how others feel about it. the headline tennis' top women balance body image with ambition. serena's quote, large biceps and a molding muscular frame. the piece also noted her rivals could try to emulate her if i seek -- physique but most of them choose not to. quote, it's our decision to keep her as the smallest player in

the top 10 because first of all, she's a woman and she wants to be a woman. her looks matter to her because, as she told the "new york times," quote, i care about that as well because i'm a girl. "new york times," we are not amused. the impulse to publicly dissect black women and offer commentary on our bodies as somehow bizarre, unfeminine grotesque and worthy only of shock is part of the 1980s that took sarah bartlett and put her to her death in 1815. to frame this extraordinary woman an unmatched athlete as an object of physical revulsion activates public disgust that has real far-reaching and material consequences for women. especially women of color. we are not ashamed of serena we are proud.

we have watched her grow from a baby girl in her sister's shadow to a grown woman standing in her own light. we are thrilled that she does not aim to be the smallest player in the game and instead embraces the enormity of her body talent and influence. we appreciate that she takes chances, plays through pain, stays kekdconnected to her community and refuses to be defined through the rants of her twitter verse or the mainstream media. one other thing, great lady. we also reject the idea that the other women that your piece profiles is somehow city girls are more interested in their appearance than their sport. we know that the world of professional sport is far more apt to reward these athletes if they fit into tiny pretty boxes. we know that these women can see that you know maria sharapova makes more endorsements than serena even though serena has

defeated her 17 times, so shame on you, "new york times," for being part of a system that rewards women for what their bodies look like rather than what their bodies achieve and then points your finger at them when these women respond to the incentive you helped create. next time maybe just feel free to stand in awe of the glory that is serena. joining me now, sports columnist with bloomberg view. jason page host of "jason page with sports radio" and olympic chairman of the 1999 world cup donna bivarona. >> i thought they were talking about donna bivarona with the big arms. >> i was beside myself. i could not yesterday. >> i thought it was back in the '60s again, reading all these things. why? >> for me i guess part of it is i just want to keep putting my

finger that it has real consequences, that it's not just like a bad piece or annoying or makes us feel bad about ourselves, that it matters to take an athlete at this moment and sighdissect here like she's not like venus. >> we also don't acknowledge our role in how we shape these narratives. if the ideal beauty standard is the european white beauty standard, the fact that we promote that is actually what makes people promote that as an ideal. if we upheld her as this gorgeous woman who by the way, serves 120 miles an hour thanks to her incredible work ethic and physique, other people would appreciate that, too. >> if you don't want to acknowledge it just move on. you could talk about her as an athlete. >> i was talking about this with donna before we came on the set. this body image issue does

actually go to men, too. go ask pablo sandoval. one of the better baseball players with the red sox. he's been getting hammered with his weight even though he's wildly successful. he gets crushed about his weight all the time. the body image topic is not one that's just unique to women. there are men -- god, there are men -- who get hammered and men can sometimes be just as catty, so to speak. >> again, this is part of why i want to be careful, because the experience of suffering is a human experience. men and women can both be hammered for their physical appearance but the material consequences of it that we can look at data that show us not only that women athletes receive disparate pay and endorsements as a result of these standards, that these things actually matter to them what is available to us is a material reality. >> tennis is the one sport that's done it right.

equal pay for performance. it took a long time but they really are professionals. and then the backdrop of women's world cup soccer maybe we'll get there. but these are the stories you write about in the "new york times," not about image. >> right, right. if shape magazine wanted to have a conversation about this, i guess -- i mean, i wouldn't love it, but that's what they do right? this is the "new york times." >> this is about a stellar world class athlete that above all is the best female athlete in the world. >> and potentially the best athlete, period. >> our former producer jamil, who has been making himself the king of the earth actually got mean this week with serena williams' dominant period. if you know he's from ohio that's a lot to put her above king james there in that moment. >> let's get back a little bit to this conversation about body image and women. i mean young women get 180

minutes a day of media. and a lot of that is about this perfect idealized woman, and by the time they're five and six years old, they don't like their bodies. that plays out the rest of their lives about how they dress with tight clothes. that's why this other story is so important, to deal with it this way and say, no this is about accepting who you are, it's about health and it's about being the best you can be and that's what serena has done. >> and the difference specifically in sports when it comes to women is you know yes, pablo sandoval and c.c. get it by the media for being out of shape -- >> they get it from fans too. >> from fans too, but it's not the primary mark of their being an athlete. their ability outstands the issues about their bodies. with serena we're talking about

her body. the only one who doesn't have an issue about her body is serena. >> i don't know whose ideal these other bodies are, but in what world do you not want to be shaped like serena fricking williams? all day tomorrow if i could wake up with those arms and that behind, all day i would, right? part of it is even a set of assumptions about what constitutes a body that ought to be critiqued, and i guess part of my concern around it is the ways that then ultimately that leads us to thinking really -- so here we are right now not talking about what happened yesterday when she just showed out again. >> and all the things she does for the community, for the business world, for transitioning from a player to an entrepreneur. those are all things and the values you learn on the field of play which you can transfer later on when she maybe puts down the racket. >> this is also an age-old tactic to delegitimize back athletes, because for so long

there's been talk about, you know natural, physical gifts instead of work ethic or you know on the field. she's built like -- you know you hear all about her physical gifts, you don't hear about all the training that goes into that and all the actual -- >> in fact the training went into it when we were first introduced to the williams sisters and their father -- you know he was a relatively overpowering kind of guy, and there was so much critique of his parenting, so much critique of his role as coach, so much criticism that these girls overbelieved in themselves, and they have delivered and delivered and delivered and delivered. >> and it started with her hair. remember that? >> oh, yes. >> however they perform, there's always been oh let's look at the other thing instead of what they've done. thaf trans they've transformed tennis and brought it to an equal standard. >> speaking of women's sports

when we come back we're going to talk about the ticker tape parade that was so great. but do you know what else the world cup champs might appreciate? equal pay. that part of the story is next. oderate to severe plaque psoriasis most of my life. but that hasn't stopped me from modeling. my doctor told me about stelara® it helps keep my skin clearer. with only 4 doses a year after 2 starter doses... ...stelara® helps me be in season. stelara® may lower your ability to fight infections and increase your risk of infections. some serious infections require hospitalization. before starting stelara® your doctor should test for tuberculosis. stelara® may increase your risk of cancer. always tell your doctor if you have any sign of infection have had cancer, or if you develop any new skin growths. do not take stelara® if you are allergic to stelara® or any of its ingredients. alert your doctor of new or worsening problems including headaches, seizures, confusion and vision problems. these may be signs of a rare potentially fatal brain condition. serious allergic reactions can occur. tell your doctor if you or anyone in your house needs or has recently received a vaccine. in a medical study most stelara® patients saw at least

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champ serena williams isn't the only one feeling victorious these days. just last week in a remarkable contest against japan, carli williams led the team to a record third world cup win. and the party continued in new york on friday when thousands of soccer fans dressed in red, white and blue gathered for the first ticker tape parade celebrating an all-women sports team. chanting "usa," girls in the crowd refled in the celebration

of their idols. none of the 23 hailed from new york. mayor bill de blasio said at city hall when they brought back that trophy they also brought back the message of the power of women. and while these celebrated the team's road to sporting glory, we all realize the hurdle women athletes still face. team usa won the women's world cup and brought home $2 million. last year the german men's team after winning the world cup in brazil earned $35 million. opportunities to play weren't even cemented until 1972 when a law was passed prohibiting discrimination on the basis of sex and federally funded education and activities. after that women had more opportunity to apply for sports and athletic scholarships allowing them to be the powerhouses they are today. that rule is known as title 9. how much did title 9 change the

world? >> if you think about it ten of the members of this 23-member team were over 30. they had their little daughters, one was 40 christine rampone, and that kind of leadership really helped form this team. you look at abby who was the player benched, but she was a team player. that plays out -- i was talking about, ernst & young did this study and we were talking about aspirations of sports and studies, 90% of women have had a sports background. 50% played in college. so it's not just about sports it's about that transition and what it teaches you on the field of play. >> let's just ask this question. title 9 got us to a certain point. >> yes. >> what gets us to the next point? that's the question that i want to try and find out, is what gets us to the next point in terms of promotion, marketing, exposure, more pay.

what gets us to that next level? >> they should grab it and support the pro league and they should come back and say, okay we're going to give a bonus. the best thing that happened to fifa this year was the women's world cup because it deflected all the stuff going on with the organization. they should stand up and put their money where their mouth is. >> it can't just be fox, it has to be marketed, it has pobto be promoted. >> people watched it though. part of the lie is people don't watch women's sports and that's why we don't pay. this had huge viewership. >> this is part of what we were talking about with serena that the media has a rule about shaping public tastes. if we actually put these games out there, sports fans will pretty much watch whatever you give them. it's true. >> not in a bad way. >> if you promote women's sports as not inferior and legitimize it in the eyes of people they will actually watch it. >> in '99 when i was chair of

the women's world cup, everybody thought, oh it's going to be a disaster. we were on espn kind of we're there, but you might have to buy the time. and then as it swept the country, because we sold out giants stadium and we got the first lady hillary and bill clinton the president to be our co-chairs, all of a sudden abc said, oh we're going to put it on prime time late at night. we filled the rose bowl and we had 17 million viewers. what happened after that? the guys said oh it's a one-off. it won't sustain itself. >> my daughter is 13 and in the eighth grade and plays on the soccer team right? part of the reason -- your point that's so important, part of that viewership grows from title 9 as well right? i don't think my daughter is likely to ever be a professional soccer player but she's going to care about it forever because she participated. and the participation has everything to do with title 9. >> it absolutely does. look, i've gone after my own network on nbc, they all have to

do a better job, not just in airing women's sports but promoting it on the same level they do the men. then let's find out if the market can bear it. let's give it a fair chance. >> there is a business angle here, too, because for years female sports fans of men's sports, too, have been ignored by marketers and sponsors and everything, and suddenly people started to realize that even though women may not be watching sports at the same level as the men, they are making the purchasing decisions in the household. now you see budweiser being more sensitive and go daddy not using them anymore. women's sports is a great way to open that up. >> in addition to individually break out, when we think about the dominance of women in soccer from the u.s. so u.s. women's team is dominant in a way that u.s. men's team in the world simply is not, right? i guess part of what's interesting to me is how nations

that haveare carrying an emphasis on sports administration. >> this comes up in the olympics. saudi arabia during the olympics have been historically close-minded to women's sports participation, and the u.n. has actually come out and said that girls participating in sports is a human right. this is an issue along those lines. there was a study that correlated, you know success in the women's world cup with national gdp. so it speaks to you know women's place in society. it's not just about sports it's about our place in the economy and in politics as well and it's just a really good marker when we have equality. >> the study was done that it really does have an impact. you look at what happened since '99, i remember going to england to promote the game and they said, oh you've already sold 60,000 tickets for the opening, that would never happen here. but look how well the british team did, great britain did in the world cup, because the men's

pro teams have now sponsored the women's teams. they understand that they want to capture and hold onto that property in their culture. >> speaking of the relationship between men's and women's teams, i want you to talk about becky hammond a little bit. >> amazing story. now an assistant coach for greg popovich in the san antonio spurs, who i know you love. becky hammond is actually the head coach for their summer league team. they lost to the knicks yesterday, but i think it's only a matter of time before we see a female roaming the sidelines of an nba team. >> they did it in college. jo paterno did it any decade ago because he knew the touch of a female was more sensitive and you might be able to communicate differently. >> or they might just be one bassbad ass basketball coach -- can i

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abs might be mesmerizing, and yes, you might be watching all the gyrating parts, and you might be fascinated by the fact that somehow it manages the norms of narrow depictions of women where they are not the subjects of sexual desire. magic mike does things a little differently because this movie shows us the desires of all kinds of women. different ages races, body types, and it accomplishes something that according to one character in the film the male partners in women's lives sometimes fail to do: ask women what they want. listen when they tell you, and when you deliver on their

request, leave them satisfied at the end. here with me now, janet mock msnbc contributor and host of "so popular." melissa bellow who is managing editor of cnn.com. and opinion writer tore the "new york times" and author of the book "bad feminist." roxanne, let me start with you. was this a bad feminist movie in the sense of what you think of bad feminism? >> absolutely. it was clueinclusive, it was hilarious, it didn't take itself too seriously, and it was all kinds of sexy. i was here for that movie all day long. >> in your piece you wrote at one point, i would give this movie all the oscars and a few extras. >> absolutely. i mean in addition to the sound design being exceptional, i just feel like it deserves an oscar for being a fun movie that i

went to and enjoyed and didn't think about anything but what was ggsoing on on the screen. it's so rare to get that in a movie nowadays. >> let me back up a little bit because a summer blockbuster when i go to see it i'm in the middle of watching and oh trigger warning because some random homophobic thing has happened, right? in this film, every time you came up to where that was about to happen then it didn't. everything that in a normal guys' film would be a laugh line wasn't. so women of size were not funny when they were sexual they were sexual. and the gay bar scene is actually a scene about this extraordinary dance culture. for me that was probably my favorite part of the film. >> first of all, we need to thank the goddess for creating channing tatum. like roxane gay, i am obsessed with him. the fact that he's pro-feminist

made me excited and tingly inside. i know andie mcdowell talked about how she refused the title of her character being called a cougar within the film. she's like no she's just a sexual woman. she's seeking pleasure. then also the same thing with who i felt was this summer's superhero, jada pinkett smith. >> i know everybody loved the channing of it all, but tore mefor me the sexiest person in the film is jada. >> i was read did iy to tap that. >> right, i know who i'm trying to get with. i'm pretty sure it's jada. >> we could make a trilogy with jada. hz >> her name is rome right? yes, melissa, indeed. i don't want people to think the movie is some kind of feminist

treatise, but there is a feminism of intentionality here. >> i think that channing tatum purposely talked to his wife a lot during the making of the movie. i know that he did research in vogue. he actually met with dancers who are part of the new york ball scene and learned how to duck walk. that was amazing. >> and allowed the voguers to be not just backstage but to be in the film right, and to be themselves presenting the fullness of what that voguing is. >> i actually had pause during that scene where i was like oh no something is about to happen. >> i was too. i was braced thinking here comes the homophobic part right? >> he looked like a muscle man trying to vogue, but he did it gracefully and he like did a lot of research beforehand. i also know that he asked andie mcdowell and jada pinkett smith to help develop their roles and develop their character lines and that gives them agency. so that behind-the-scenes work

really helps the film. >> roxane let me ask you about that. when you think about sort of -- on the one hand you're saying this is a movie that allowed me to just go and have a good time but this idea there were these moments that typically would be troubling but aren't. are there moments that stand out for you? >> the moment you talked about where they went to the gay bar, i really held my breath as well. i was just totally panicked about what was going to happen next. and i was so pleasantly surprised. and it's a shame that the bar is this low, that something not happening is what we're happy about. but it's a good start. and intentionality, as melissa said, is really the key. there were really key choices that were made in this movie to not shame women, to not shame queer men, to not shame anyone. and then to let the women that were in the movie, however few they were, have a lot of agency. that was really exciting to me. >> so here's one moment though that i just kept chewing over

later and later, and that is whether or not jada the rome figure, as fantastic as she is is she the magical negress? is she the black woman who comes in and fixes the whole thing, takes nothing for herself? she's so great that i don't even want to offer critique but there is a little like the black woman fixer here. >> as i was watching the film i was like is she here to fix the whole situation for them kind of like whoopi goldberg with the ghost. >> actually not like whoopi goldberg. not like that at all, but then -- yes, right, right. >> i also felt so empowering to see her as someone that came into this game the sex industry, that has long kind of used women's bodies and to center women and give them agency to pay a subscription, to be a part of a membership organization called domina and to call them queens and goddesses. you haven't even perfected this

craft yet the way in which i have done it. so maybe there is magic there, but it's called "magic mike." >> i guess he's officially the "magic mike." let's talk about that queens language when she does use. every time i would hear that character talk to women, women of color, women who are often not represented as beautiful, desirable. we were just talking about it in the context of serena williams. every time she used the queen language i would hear the combahe river collective saying we reject pedestals and walking three paces behind to be levelly human is enough. for me -- and people are allowed to have all different kinds of things to turn them on but for me, nothing turns me on. i really am into a level playing field -- i just find consent terribly sexy. >> i think there is two ways to look at it. i think one way to look at it is exactly what you're saying that

somehow takes away legal tear yann -- legalitarianism on a pedestal. and sometimes we have to be lifted. so you could look at it either way, but i agree with you that there is something weird about that sometimes. >> did you not see the two black women they put together? i thought, this is rich. >> i was like, oh, they're actually using the black women to build a bridge. listen when we come back channing actually has a special message for one of my guests and i cannot wait to tell you all about it when we come back.

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and that's just what happened for one of my guests who, it wouldn't be an exaggeration to say, is a superfan of "magic mike xxl" and the star channing tatum. after seeing the movie, feminist activist shannon gaye had an interview where she pro claimed "magic mike xxl is i might add, a bad feminist movie." shannon gaye shared some tweets about the movie with tatum and he made her fan girl dreams come true when he responded, i want to talk to her. we're going to do a magic mike vegas show and i want to talk to her about the magic mike show. roxane could we possibly make this happen in nerd land? >> anyone who wants to make it happen is more than welcome. i will talk to channing about whatever he wants to talk about. >> i have to say, when we think about the intentionality it makes me like channing better to

know that channing knows and reads and thinks about who roxane gaye is. >> i still haven't absorbed it. this still possibly isn't real. it puts me in high esteem too, partly because of ego, because oh, my gosh i love him, but it seems like he's open to feminism and he's willing to talk about these kinds of things and put intentionality into his work. that's something that seems quite rare in hollywood and even rarer in hollywood men. >> i want to think a little bit about what we mean when we say feminism. i want to take one moment in the film towards the end where we hear the one who can sing -- this is terrible i don't remember their names. ken, right? so he's doing the deangelo song and all it made me want to do is see the deangelo video again, because that video to me is the ultimate feminist video.

it's good, but beyond that because of deangelo's ultimate vulnerability in that moment he's standing there entirely naked and asking how does it feel? he's a little concerned like am i performing well enough? i guess that's what was missing a little bit for me. when we talk about the feminism, there was a lot of empowerment, but i'm not sure i felt that sense of the vulnerability of the men as sexual beings except for like a moment here and there. >> roxane yeah. >> i would agree they weren't particularly vulnerable but in that context i wasn't looking for vulnerability. i was looking for exactly what they gave me which was just take-charge machismo and that we were allowed to enjoy it and not have to overthink it is what i particularly appreciated. and think legalitarianism is

well and good but we can have someone cater to us and we don't have to make any decisions. that's why i loved the movie. i just stopped thinking and i didn't want to think. but i didn't feel degraded while i was in that sort of vulnerable state of watching these men. >> all i kept thinking of my feminism was is it going to be triggered, then my next level, my carnal level was, i want to tap that. but my audience last night, i watched it last night, everyone was so tame and i just wanted them to get excited. >> did you see it in manhattan? >> yeah i did. >> there are some spaces that are maybe a little less tame for the seeing of "magic mike." did your audience have a collective audience experience around it? >> i went to a screening of it so these are mostly writers and people who are going to be critical about this film and they were screaming.

they were hollering, they were saying oh jesus christ. i had to sink into my chair a couple times. i went with a straight man, and there were times where i was just like i can't look at you as this is happening in front of me. but going back to the vulnerability thing, i think that what's nice about this movie is it's trying to say that -- like let's figure out what women want and these are the multiple ways that we can try to figure it out. though i do think that the women end up serving for the male character development. i mean, we don't much about -- >> it's a guys' movie except for the amanda character that we have a little story on but at least, thank god, doesn't have to get married in the end. she gets a good lap dance and gets to ride off into the sunset. >> i think it's interesting that the one woman we know most about is the one andre asks three questions to. >> that's interesting, right, and we find out her name we

find out she's divorced. >> we find out her lineage, we find out her racial identity we find out she's been divorced. that is very telling in the movie. like ask a woman these questions about themselves and you can find out that quickly. >> right, but then also immediately turn it into like a hot rap song so you can get into her pants, right? although again, i'm activated in my libido so i was kind of down for ask me questions and make a cool song about it. >> the vulnerability thing, maybe they really weren't vulnerable especially in regards to sexuality, but i do think there is something about it although it was a bro movie, it wasn't a bro movie predicated on power. it was about men with hopes and fears and dreams. i think that tops their masculinity even a smidge. >> you're right, there is that vulnerability around the wholeness of who they are.

roxane, you write, i continue to believe that far too many women are desperately undersexed and/or inadequately sexed. one of the most enjoyable parts of this movie was that women were allowed to be women and they were not shamed. that movie making this much conversation is just that idea that consent is sexy that women who are lusty and desireous are not whores and even in this moment of being oversexed. >> absolutely and there are criticisms to be made of the movie, but when you look at how women's sexuality is treated in this movie, it's light years

ahead of what weaver seen.'ve seen. especially the older woman scene with andie mcdowell, i thought that was really well done. i appreciated that the word cougar wasn't being used and that she was allowed to be vulnerable but then also get hers, which is really important. when i saw it in indianapolis and the women were losing their minds, they were throwing dollar bills at the screen and they were swooning and they were, like, just having moments, and i just thought, what is going on that we are this turned on by this movie? i think collectively women are not being heard or satisfied, because this movie hit the spot for a lot of people. >> i want to say thank you to roxane gay in los angeles. let me just say, channing if you want to talk to roxane we are happy to host that right here in nerd land. also thank you to janet mock and melissa bellow and fuschia

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you may know our next guest from classics like soul sista, and albums like commons finding forever. so many others. since the release of his debut album, the classically trained musician has obtained a critically acclaimed status. the grammy nominated artist released his latest album entitled "in another life." here to play his song "i really don't care."

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♪ forever again ♪ ♪ you'll never be blue ♪ ♪ ooohhhhh ♪ ♪ woo-ooh ---woo-ooh-ooh ♪ [ applause ] >> thank you. everyone in the studio is losing their minds. you have among your enormous fan base one of my producers, tracy, who is beside herself at the moment. i'm kind of interested this is a development project for you. and who you've become as a man as an artist since that debut album. >> well i've grown a lot. you know when i first was

signed i was 19 years old. so i've seen a lot of life, you know. i've had a lot of ups, a lot of downs, you know. there's so much more to talk about. >> the world has changed a lot in that time. the social unrest the questions of inequality especially the black lives matter movement. how has that influenced the work that you're doing? >> it's influenced this album particularly a lot. one of the reasons why i named the album "in another life" because i was really trying to get into a lot of different perspectives, and write from a lot of different points of views. so my major thing, what i would do, was read the paper before coming to the studio. >> you have collaborated with just everybody at this point. do you have favorites in terms of people who have pushed you, challenged you as an artist? >> oh, yeah. i always take away what i've learned from working with the

roots, thompson or working with the late great jake dela from detroit. or dr. dre. or even adrian young on this new project. i like being involved in people who are just pushing me and see something that i don't, you know. >> where have we gone wrong in our music, or is it all good for you, no matter what's being produced? the popularly played music? >> you know i kind of stay in my own kind of space in the world. i'm about my own excellence. but, you know i think the major thing that we deal with especially in america, is everything kind of sounding the same when it comes to what's making the most money, or you know i think that america, especially black music, it really pushes the culture of the whole world. so i think it should be as diverse as possible especially

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