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hey there, everyone. hi noon here in the east, 9:00 a.m. out west. a mexican drug lord is on the run after escaping from a prison near mexico city last night through an elaborate tunnel system. it is the second time he's escaped from maximum security detention. he was last seen in a mexican central prison there around 9:00 p.m. last night. when he failed to show up on surveillance cameras, though authorities checked his cell and he was gone. authorities said they discovered a mile-long tunnel which began under his cell and ran to a building outside the prison walls. nbc news's mark potter has all the details. what a story, mark. what do we know? >> what we know is that this is a huge imbarsembarrassment for the

mexican government. when they caught him last year they touted this as a sign that they were so serious about tackling the cartels, and knocking them down. this was seen as in effect mexico capturing osama bin laden. this was huge there. and now he has escaped through this tunnel system. escaped for a second time. and again, a big embarrassment. this is the biggest drug trafficker in the world says the u.s. authorities and others. his cartel supplies most of the drugs coming into the united states. he is the man known to be the head of it and now he is gone. there was a second escape from a mexican prison a couple of years ago, who was implicated in a killing years ago of the american drug agent. he escaped. contero still has not been caught. these are embarrassing facts for the mexican government. u.s. authorities are really upset about this.

shaking their heads. no one is saying anything officially right now, but some ex-agents are talking publicly and saying that this is just a sign that mexico is unable to hold these traffickers. i remember years ago, i think it was in the '80s, i was in one of those tunnels. it starts in a house outside the prison. they dig down. and then they dig in using mining engineers into the prison, under the wall, and then they pop up. and that's presumably what happened in this case. it had a ventilation system it had a track, it had a motorcycle in there. they had a method for moving the dirt out. and then ultimately they popped up in the prison and he left. chapo guzman left. it's a dramatic escape. and it's one that the mexicans had predicted wouldn't happen. he was in a maximum security prison. but it has happened.

now the search is on. and we'll see if they find him or not. >> right. >> nobody's betting on that. >> it's got to be clearly with outside help. he made a 2001 escape via a laundry cart. he was 13 years on the run. do you know what mexican authorities are doing right now? i'm sure they've closed airports and have checkpoints to capture him. >> they're doing all of that. he had lead time on them. and that area where he was seen it's a huge area. he's been in guatemala before. no telling where he is. obviously the mexicans are trying very, very hard to catch him. but he's on the run with a head start. and that doesn't help. and this is seen as something that is most unfortunate. it's going to be probably quite difficult to recover from. >> head-start under cover of darkness as well since it was last night since he was seen.

thank you for updating us on this mark. the iran nuclear talks are developing very quickly. by the end of the day, officials say they will have a better idea whether a deal is possible tomorrow. secretary kerry gave his assessment on the way to church services this morning. >> i think we're getting to some real decisions. so i'd say we have a few tough things to do. we're hopeful. >> joining us now from vienna andrea mitchell. andrea, good day to you. where do things stand now? >> hope springs eternal. as you saw the secretary is hopeful. then he went to church and had a walk came back here. there have been no formal meetings among any of the ministers yet today.

and that tells you something. they don't really expect to get together until later, if then. there are draft agreements that are being studied in all the capitals. they've been passed back and forth. there have been a couple of glitches. they're still working on the u.n. resolution. there are some legal issues as to what then has to happen to make sure that that u.n. resolution once negotiated here is lived up to by all of the five permanent members, because there's a long history of russia vetoing u.n. resolutions, and russia has been one of the sticking points of the five members here who are negotiating for the u.n. security council members. so there are a lot of problems still to be resolved. they will know more they say, by the end of the day as you suggested. whether or not they can reach a preliminary agreement tomorrow. >> andrea as you know, the chairman, senator bob corker expressed some pessimism about a deal actually getting through congress.

so what happens if the u.s. is the only abstaining member of this group of six that are trying to negotiate with iran? then what? >> that's a really big issue. because the republicans don't really have enough votes amongst themselves. but i was interviewing chris kunz from the foreign relations committee, a democrat from delaware last week and he said he whants to see the fine print, he wants to see the classified annexes. he is not onboard yet. that's what the democrats, i'm told told the president last tuesday night when they met with him at the white house. and that was part of the cautionary note that presumably led the president to take a pretty hard line during their conference call. the videoed secure conference from the situation room on wednesday with john kerry. that according to the iranians slowed things down. of course, the u.s. side said it was the iranians who had reopened things and upped the ante and slowed things down.

that's why things have moved at a snail's pace this week. began to move more quickly friday, saturday, and now sunday they say that they'll know more by the end of the day. but if the u.s. were to somehow negate this deal iran could resume its nuclear expansion. and it would be an enormous diplomatic setback. so that's one of the reasons why they are trying to come up with something that they think they can sell to congress. they know it's not going to be easy. they think that they've got the votes, and certainly the president can veto and then would have to be overridden if congress rejects it. it is a fairly high bar. >> but first things first, let's see if we can get a deal done and signed tomorrow. andrea mitchell thanks. from there to politics now. a resounding reception for donald trump as he took his message to the border state of arizona. >> mexico i respect the country. they're taking our jobs they're taking our manufacturing,

they're taking our money. they're taking everything. and they're killing us on the border. and mexico does not like it. so remember this -- don't worry, we'll take our country back. very soon. >> it is the third stop in a two-day blitz across the west. mr. trump spoke before thousands of supporters. his biggest crowd yet since the launch of his campaign. let's check in with amanda in phoenix, arizona for us. amanda, the reaction to his speech. has it been mixed or pretty much one-sided? >> reporter: hi there, alex. donald trump really defied early expectations in the crowds that he had gathered. the line of people was winding around the block as trump took the stage. people had driven six hours just to see him speak. some from california and new mexico. after they heard rush limbaugh talk about the event on his national radio show. you know most of the people there, though, were from the arizona area. a deep red border state where

immigration issues are often incredibly heated. some people are really getting traction with trump who are fed up with the immigration system. >> what do you think about his comments on latinos? a lot of people -- >> he tells the truth. he didn't say anything wrong. i'm surprised very much some people are upset with him pause he told the truth. >> this guy's an idiot. you know trying to divide people instead of uniting the people. >> reporter: dozens of protesters gathered outside the event yesterday, rallying extension away from other participants waiting to get inside. at times the dynamic was rather heated, showing what a lightning rod the immigration issue is now, and will probably continue to be on into 2016. in fact, some of the protesters even made it inside of the event, embedding themselves within the crowd. by the time they interrupted

trump in the middle of his speech, they were deeply embedded in the crowd and it was difficult for security to get in. regardless, it didn't stop trump as he was continuing in his speech. he had a quip ready for them suggesting that maybe the mexican government had sent the protesters there to break up his speech. >> i've got to tell you, he was so popular, even the fire marshal had to allow double the number of people they would, and put people at the doors to facilitate exits in case of an emergency. it is an extraordinary development there. let's go to rhode island where a beach has reopened after an apparent explosion that sent one woman to the hospital. police are ruling out terrorism as they investigate what happened. chris is at the beach. welcome to you. first off, the condition of the woman who was injured. what do we know about that and how she got these injuries? >> reporter: yeah, it really just is an incredible story. she remains in the hospital her family hopeful she'll get released today. i'm here with her sister who was

here yesterday sitting five feet from your sister. what did you see? >> my sister's chair was butted up against a rock. i was looking directly at my sister. there was a bang and then you could see the rock shift and the eruption came. she was ejected from the chair like a cannonball four, five feet off the ground ten feet out, and landed down and she was unconscious for three minutes. sand in her nose banged up literally. then we started to call 911. >> without a doubt, an explosion. >> it was an explosion first, the shifting of the rocks, and then some sort of eruption from the sand. whether it was the vibration of the rocks that caused that or explosion, i don't know. but i really think the kids should be off the rocks today, or at least away from that area until they have an explanation, and they still don't. >> the beach is open again today. they say it's safe. what do you think of that, and what have they told you about what they think happened? >> we really haven't gotten an

official report back from anybody. the d.e.p. just called and my sister has been handling that. and the investigators. so we're just not comfortable without an explanation. >> are you nervous being back here? >> when i got closer to the rock, i -- that was the first time i broke down and cried, when i got closer to the rock. i immediately got away and had my granddaughter way in the background at the picnic table to have lunch before we leave and pick up my sister. hopefully she'll be discharged from rhode island hospital today. >> you had your 3-year-old granddaughter with you yesterday. >> yes. two minutes before that, she was on my sister's lap. so we're grateful that it wasn't her. she would have been propelled really into the water, and may not have been with us today. >> you hope to bring your sister home today. how is she doing? >> very uncomfort rtableuncomfortable. severe concussion. in a lot of pain. they're going to do another

c.a.t. scan to make sure the concussion is okay. >> we hope she gets out today. an incredible story. scary moments. people here today, though don't seem all that concerned. there was a line of people at 6:00 a.m. to get back onto this beach. they opened again at about 8:00. as you can see, not really any clear spaces on the sand. it is just packed out here even after what happened yesterday. i guess they're hopeful that something like that doesn't ever happen again. but still a mystery today. >> absolutely. and kristen, have you seen the actual spot of the explosion? i read somewhere it looks like a sinkhole, but now covered with sand. is that accurate? >> reporter: the way they described it and you have to remember alex the tide has come in and gone out since then. so right now the sand looks normal when you go over there. yesterday, though they described there were actual cracks in the sand described as what they would expect maybe an earthquake to look like.

they actually looked online to see if there were any fault lines around here. they thought maybe a boat had hit the jetty. a lot of possible explanations, but they still have no idea at this point. the investigation continuing trying to figure out just what it was that caused that force to lift her sister off of the chair and actually like a human cannonball projectile towards the water. >> extraordinary. kristen dahlgren thank you for the update. a baltimore woman is charged with second-degree assault after dousing baltimore's mayor in what appeared to be water. it happened as the mayor greeted crowds at a festival there. members of the protection unit arrested the suspect. the mayor said she's fine and was more surprised than anything else. pope francis is wrapping up his south american trip in paraguay by visiting a slum. he's talking about taking care of the world's poor. after touring the slum the pope will meet with some of the area's youth before making the

trip back home to rome. and off the coast of cape cod, a whale is swimming free today after it got entangled in fish netting. scientists happened to be in the area studying hump whales. it couldn't move because of the netting, but they worked to free it. it quickly swam away. the strange case of the wrong-way driver. police on the lookout for who's behind the wheel. perhaps you should be, too. debate over the confederate flag did not end when it was taken down in south carolina. it spilled over into our nation's capitol. we'll talk to the congress next about why one issue of the flag is still not resolved. next. ♪♪ expected wait time: 55 minutes. your call is important to us. thank you for your patience. waiter! vo: in the nation, we know how it feels when you aren't treated like a priority. we do things differently. we'll take care of it.

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>> yeah it is unbelievable. it is some of the reaction from the los angeles motorist who videotaped that car being driven in reverse. it's how it looked on a windy, very narrow laurel canyon boulevard in los angeles. a man and woman were in the car as it traveled going several miles. sometimes going over the yellow line, nearly hitting oncoming traffic. the man shooting the video eventually stopped taking video because it was dangerous following the car. the lapd trying to catch the wayward motorist. i say just look at the license plate and go from there. as the south carolina legislature voted to end the confederate flag flying on state grounds, republican members put forward and then pulled amid outcry a measure that would allow the confederate flag to be flown at some cemeteries and parks. south carolina governor nikki haley put it in perspective.

>> it was hard for me to look at the flag coming down and not thinking about the nine people who took in someone who didn't look like them sound like them and accepted him and prayed with him for an hour. >> joining me is democratic congresswoman from ohio joyce beatty member of the congressional black caucus. ma'am, thank you for joining me. >> thank you. i'm pleased to be here. >> i want to ask you where you would like to see federal legislation on the confederate flag go? >> well i would like us to do what we were trying to do last week when the nation was watching when south carolina was taking down the flag. here we are in congress in a late-night decision putting legislation back in that would no longer allow us to ban the confederate flag from being in national parks and in cemeteries. so i would like us to sit back down those two amendments made by two of my democratic

colleagues had passed with a voice vote. so for my republican colleagues to then come back late in the evening and put language in that didn't even include the words "confederate flag" hoping that we would not be scholarly and find it. >> the perception of your colleagues on the other side of the aisle to see it as a symbol of those who fought and died in the war, what is your reaction to them? >> well when i hear that and we talk about this flag there are several issues. first of all, this was really not the flag of the war at that time. and secondly the flag is symbolic of racism and hatred. and when you look at what happened in south carolina with the charleston nine symbolically, this flag was able to have the power to encourage

senseless violence. and so i think when you listen to the words that the governor said as the flag was coming down she couldn't help but think of the charleston nine. and i think people across the country feel the same way. and certainly, i'm proud of my democratic colleagues who had the foresight to have us continue with that progress that was being made as the nation was watching in south carolina. >> yeah. in fact your colleague, congressman jeffreys he made a remark on the house floor that got a lot of attention. and here's that. >> mr. speaker, had this confederate battle flag prevailed in war, 150 years ago, i would not be standing here today as a member of the united states congress. i would be here as a slave.

>> that sends chills down the spines of many including mine as you hear that. >> it absolutely does. >> can you put into perspective how far you think this nation has come on racial equality or how far we have yet to go? >> i think it's both. i think certainly we have made some progress. but clearly what happened on the floor indicates to us that we are not where we should be. we're not where our great leaders who would be looking back now -- i think they would say, frederick douglass martin luther king, they would say, we still have a lot of work to do. when you look at this crime that happened, nine people lost their lives because of a hate crime. nine people lost their lives because someone believed in separatist principles believed that he had to take their lives because of the color of their skin. i think we need to have more dialogue. while i am proud of the past i

have great concern over the work that we have to do in the future. when you look at this when you look at voter registration, when you look at housing and education, there's so many things that we need to continue to work on because the obstacles and the things that get in the way is because of the color of one's skin. certainly there's more work we have to do. the congressional black caucus has been out in the front on this issue, and we will continue to make sure that we keep it on the front so we can continue to make progress. and more importantly, not allow colleagues to undo the progress that we have made. >> democratic congressman joyce beatty. thank you for the conversation. i appreciate it. >> thank you. the naacp has voted to end its 15-year economic boycott of south carolina, after the confederate flag was removed from the state house lawn on friday. the resolution was passed at the

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european finance ministers today gathered in belgium to resume talks on a possible bailout deal for greece. greek legislators have pushed through an austerity plan but a leading eu official says greece still needs to do more before the rest of europe can offer up funds to save the greek economy. the running of the bulls passed without incident today. yesterday four people were gored. the daily bull runs continue until july 14th. for a presidential campaign that was supposed to be a lock for the two legacy candidates it is the fringe contenders who are getting the most attention and the most passionate support. this weekend belonged to donald trump with a claimed 15,000 people attending his rally in phoenix yesterday. light years to the left is bernie sanders, but the crowds are coming out for him, too. 10,000 supporters in madison, wisconsin. can these candidates sustain it.

joining me former vermont governor howard dean and senior adviser on the bush-cheney campaign. good to see you both. >> hello there. >> thanks. >> governor i'm going to reach out to you first. why is donald trump able to draw so much support for a platform that has his own party backing away? >> i've always said there's a tremendous amount of anger on the right in the republican party. the republican leadership is trying to get away from that. they know they can't attract this younger generation that put obama in the white house. but that doesn't mean the voters are all there. so trump is going to fade. because at the end of the day, you can't win if you're just angry. but this is a battle for the soul of the republican party. and i think donald trump is sort of the last gasp here. >> might he howard do better if he were talking economic policies? i mean he does have a certain credential he can stand on on that platform. >> well that's debatable. an awful lot of people in new

york think his empire is built on a lot of debt and so forth and so on. w.h.o. knows. i've always thought that the businessman routine in politics never really quite gets you there. business people always use it. but i don't think -- it's his immigration stuff that's driving it. a lot of people in the republican side, particularly really don't like immigration. and there's some democrats, too, that are going to get attracted to this. working-class democrats. >> hey robert we've seen lots of infighting there with trump and the gop candidates and lawmakers. is he rurting the democratic party. >> donald trump is not going to be the republican nominee. as governor dean mentioned a few moments ago, he speaks to a finite group of republicans out there who are so frustrated about the immigration system. to be clear, you know donald trump is not speaking on behalf of republicans. i think reince priebus

articulated that a few days ago when he told donald trump to knock it off. but he is striking a cord with a lot of americans out there who are simply frustrated with our illegal immigration system or immigration system as a whole. donald trump is not going to be our president. he will probably flame out within the next three to six months. but he is striking a chord with the finite republican group out there. >> do you think from the gop candidates, he's putting ideas out there, that they might want to have out there, but will not articulate themselves? >> absolutely not. i think jeb bush will be the republican nominee. the good thing about it is he has a good vice presidential pick with a couple of folks, whether it's scott walker john kasich and so forth. jeb bush assuming i'm correct here, is already talking about the economy, already talking about fixing the broken immigration system. a lot of the republican candidates are pro-active on a broader message. i don't think donald trump does long-term damage to the party. >> bernie sanders and his

ability to sustain these large crowds. do you think they translate into votes? >> yeah i think he'll do well. i actually don't consider bernie to be a fringe candidate. bernie represents economic populism, which is a pretty strong movement in the democratic party. and this in some ways the similarity with trump is there are actually republicans who are populist as well. he's drawn well among republican voters in vermont, working class republicans who think they're getting screwed by big corporations. the difference between us and the republicans, i think, is that the polling shows that most sanders voters would be happy to vote for hillary, if bernie doesn't win. that is not true of most trump voters. that's a big difference. there's a lot more i think, peace in the democratic party, at least so far despite bernie's vigorous challenge. >> you must know him very well. >> i do.

he's a guy who is very attractive because he says what he thinks and he's a genuine person. he's been talking like this for 40 years. and this just happens that his main issue for his 40-year career in politics has been economic justice. this is the year that economic justice is a leading concern of both democratic and republican voters according to the polls. when you see rick perry talking about economic justice in his announcement, you have to know even the republican pollsters have figured this out. he's on to something, i think. >> and in 2004 your campaign he was called the pure ervin damage. how does that play with the democratic voters? >> the thing is about, to be practical about this there really aren't any conservative democratic voters anymore. like there are no liberal republican voters. i know people call themselves republicans who haven't voted

for a republican for president for 20 years. the parties are really divided. there's not that much of overflow and overlap there used to be 30 35 years ago when republicans were voting for civil rights and better environment and things like that. that's sort of gone by the boards. >> robert, do you think republicans are going to be able to use sanders against hillary clinton, kind of play up this divide in the party? >> i think so. let me speak a little bit broader to that. what senator sanders represents to me at least, is a frustrated socialist. he's very thoughtful. he comes across as very intellectual. i think a lot of people out there want hillary to be their candidate. they want hillary to be the champion of their issues but she doesn't seem to be enthusiastic on the campaigning trail. sanders is drawing record crowds. people are saying hillary, we want you to be our champion but stand up and fight for something. i think that's the reason why tomorrow she's speaking at a

school, where the headquarters are at nbc, is a progressive university. and i think that speaks to a lot of the nervous nellies in the camp. bernie sanders is a credible threat. i think the real issue is whether or not bernie sanders opens up a path to provide vice president biden to come into the race. a lot of people are frustrated with hillary because she doesn't seem to be passionate about the issues. >> governor, what do you expect to hear from hillary in this economic speech? >> i have to totally disagree. i think hillary led off her campaign talking about economic justice, talking about voting rights and voter suppression bills that so many republican states have successfully put in. and back order like north carolina. i totally disagree. i think hillary is seen as a champion. and i think people are looking forward to this speech tomorrow. her version of economic justice. i think a lot of this is

bernie's rhetoric is terrific. he's very very good speaker. if you listen to hillary clinton, she says many of the same things she says it thoughtfully, she says it carefully. she's been in the chair before. she's the most experienced candidate running for president on either side by far. so, you know i have to disagree that people are nervous in the hillary camp or democrats are frustrated. you know i'm a big hillary supporter. i'm not the least bit frustrated. i think she's running the best campaign i've seen. >> very quickly, governor why is she doing this speech in new york? and why is bernie sanders getting so many record crowds? >> bernie sanders is getting record crowds because he's a great candidate and speaks truth to power. hillary is doing it in new york city, because it's her home state, and it's a city that represents the democratic party and has done so for many many

years. >> thanks, guys. >> thank you. happy sunday. >> and to you. a miami neighborhood has inspiring new landmark. a massive work of art that aims to bring to life a community's struggle with racism and violence. the result of a project sponsored by one united bank that included a local artist and a group of young people. the mural made its official debut saturday with some very special guests in attendance. here's more. >> reporter: an emotional moment as the final product of the one united mural project got its big unveiling. the 550-square-foot art is the work of artists of adonis parker, who had an overriding message he wanted to convey. >> no weapon that is more powerful than a weapon of love. >> reporter: called thunder and lightning. the mural includes symbols of struggles both long ago and all too recent. one scene depicting the church in charleston south carolina where worshippers were gunned down just last month. nine doves, and nine drops of blood representing their loss.

the centerpiece perhaps depictions of michael brown and trayvon martin whose deaths sparked angry confrontations. the word forgiveness between the two. the parents of trayvon martin were on hand for saturday's dedication. honored by the community as they continue to honor their son's legacy. >> the way he died so tragically makes me want to do my part. and so that's the same thing that i tell everybody, just do your part in all of this. and we can make a difference. >> reporter: other powerful symbols in the mural, a cracked liberty bell with the words "no child left behind." a firefighter symbolizing heroes who died on 9/11. a young black man with a target on his back. one united which sponsored the mural, is the country's largest black-owned financier, and for them, this project had a very concrete goal. >> we wanted to make sure that the community knows that we hear you.

and that we're going to make sure that others hear you. >> reporter: but the mural was just one part of this program. it also included mentorship for 21 young people from nine south florida high schools. for them it was a chance to meet local artists, collaborate with adonis parker on the mural and produce their own works of art, with their own message for the community. >> i hope we can all come together and work together as one people. >> reporter: the mural itself will now be a permanent part of the miami landscape. the details of a painful past that the artist hopes will lead to a promising future. for msnbc, i'm dara brown. in a moment the stunning change of character for at i kas finch. the second novel portrays a lost innocence, a radical change for a once revered legendary literary figure.

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this is about an aging atticus finch and his daughter scout, who narrated the earlier book. atticus is portrayed as holding this view. >> i want to leave some things for readers to discover on their own, but i will say that over the course of the novel, we slowly begin to realize some troubling things about atticus. some beliefs that he holds, some meetings that he's been to. and towards the close of the book, there's a lengthy debate in which he tells his now grown daughter that black people really aren't fit to be a part of civil society, because they're not intellectually capable. and he says, i believe, in the -- their childhood as a people. he has an attitude that what we thought was his defending black clients, because of his belief in justice, would have been his believing in him being a protector as a white man. >> do you see how harper lee

west from "to kill a mockingbird"'s character to a watchman? >> i do see it. remember, this book is not only a sequel in terms of the period of time that it covers but it was actually the first draft of "to kill a mockingbird." clearly in rewriting it and editing it down she felt at the time it would be more marketable and better for readers to see atticus through the eyes of a child. where a child sees only his best qualities. but as an adult, scout has to confront the man who's the same man we always knew. he has all of his good qualities as well as some troubling new ones that a child might not have been able to understand. >> can the original atticus live in something of a vacuum because nothing can tarnish the iconic figure of this first book. >> i think readers who want to reject this book entirely i think they'll exist, and they'll be out there.

but much like life things tend to get more complicated as the years go by. and i think this doesn't take away from atticus' greatness as a character or the great things he does. it just forces us to face the fact that people are extremely complicated. >> you and i were talking at a commercial break here in the studio. i said there are so many people who are more conservative as they grow old in age. is that a philosophy you can see harper lee sort of paralleling through this book? >> in the 20 to 15 years since "to kill a mockingbird" she's grown more rigid herself. there's been a lot of change in the american south in the 1930s, and the 1950s. atticus is in some ways also reacting against the growing presence of the naacp, for

instance. that's made him more conservative. >> daniel, can you see a way to explain how a fictional figure can touch so many people in such a powerful way for so long? >> this is why we cover art as journalists, and this is why we love art, because there's something about being able to access a character who's so well drawn, that speaks to people somehow even more poignantly than sometimes real inspiring stories. atticus in "to kill a mockingbird" is such an ideal in only an author could have created. and people have been responding to it for about 50 years. >> harper lee, and her involvement with this book in terms of its release, i mean that's been debated. there have been stories on both sides as to whether or not she was actively involved in supports that are not. do you know where the truth lies? >> i do not know and i don't think we'll really ever get to the bottom of it. at least as far as i know. but i do think that the fact that this book is out there is great for scholars.

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the silent majority is back. and we're going to take the country back. >> a vow to the people donald trump draws a large crowd of supporters and detractors in phoenix. reaction to his latest campaign stop. plus close calls with coyotes. why the wild animals have become so bold and so dangerous to people. hey there, everyone welcome to "weekends with alex witt." just a bit past 1:00 p.m. here in the east. breaking news from mexico to share right now. drug lord chapo guzman is on the run after escaping from a prison near mexico city last night through an elaborate tunnel system. it is the second time he's escaped from maximum security detention. guzman was serving a 20-year sentence for murder and drug trafficking trafficking. he was last seen in the prison around 9:00 last night.

authorities checked his cell and he was gone. authorities said they discovered a mile-long tunnel that ran into a building outside of the prison walls from his cell. we're joined by senior correspondent in mexico for the global post. and what can you tell us about guzman is how dangerous is he? what danger does he present to anyone who encounters him? >> in mexico it's not quite likely in the united states that people are scared about them shooting them. there are many criminal gunmen at large in mexico. he's dangerous, but people are not scared of him personally. it's more of a psychological blow here for people thinking if the government cannot keep behind bars a prisoner of this profile, who had a $5 million price on his head who's the head of the biggest drug cartel

in mexico if they cannot keep him in jail how can they possibly protect the public from all the other thousands of criminal gunmen on the streets. >> he clearly had a lot of help. because his tunnel originated from a building about a mile away outside the prison walls and came in to him. do you know about the elaborate nature of this tunnel? can you talk about that? >> well from the information we've been given so far by the commissioner of national security, it was a tunnel that had electric lights. it had air vents. it had a rail it was a motorcycle adapted to move along a rail in the tunnel. and it came out on a construction site in a residential neighborhood in the city. now, they've already taken in 18 guards for questioning. but people are raising questions, how could this possibly happen who was bribed

to let this happen. a disbelief, what are the institutions in this country allowing this to go on. >> the fact that he escaped under the cover of darkness last being seen close to 9:00 p.m. last night local time. he could be anywhere. he's got the means, crest? he could be anywhere. >> he could be. you know we'll see. they quite quickly -- the authorities quite quickly shut down the local airports and put a lot of federal forces around the area. maybe he's hiding in a house in a nearby city maybe he's come here to mexico city or he could have gotten further afield. somebody who managed to evade authorities for 13 years, after he escaped from prison in 2001. he escaped the army the

marines, the police the dea for 13 years, often moving around tunnels there, too. so he's no stranger to being on the run. >> that escape was a little less elaborate. he actually got out in a laundry cart in that one. thank you very much. >> thank you. negotiators in vienna today are pushing ahead to reach agreement with nuclear talks with iran as yet another deadline looms. that deadline is monday. three other deadlines have come and gone. let's bring in steve clemons, and msnbc contributor. welcome to you. i want to first go with something that senator bob corker said on "meet the press," basically that the longer these negotiations go on, the more it benefits iran. >> i have great respect for senator corker but i think he's off on this. i think right now the longer the negotiations go, the surer we will be, that we have a deal that tilts in the direction that we want it to. secretary kerry has said through

this that he wants to make sure that we're not rushing into a deal that's a bad one. so taking time may be the judicious thing to do. >> as you know three deadlines come and gone. is there any reason to think this current deadline won't be missed as well? >> well the news we've gotten out of vienna right now, i just spoke to someone who is very close to the negotiations and this person said that we had never been closer to a good deal than we are at this moment. but there are two or three major points that continue to need to be solved. but john kerry came out and said, we're at a point where decisions are being made but we're not going to be hastened by the calendar. there's no reason this couldn't be extended again, but right now the signals are more positive than they have been in the last three or four days. >> although we should add that secretary kerry this morning said there is still more to do. let's roll that. >> very good meeting. positive. i think we're getting to some

real decisions. so i would say we're making progress. we're hopeful. >> what do you think those tough things are the secretary mentioned? >> i think they continue to be a misunderstanding. maybe a purrposeful one that deals with a removal of a conventional arms embargo that was applied because of iran's nuclear program. i think that's one of the issues. and i think that the other issues continue to be related to ballistic missile research and also other things like at the pace by which sanctions would come off iran as it complies or not with the potential deal. >> so if there's agreement in vienna, u.s. domestic politics could derail the whole prospect. mitch mcconnell today saying congress could have a problem with the deal. let's take a listen to him. >> we already know that it's

going to leave iran as a threshold nuclear state. we know that. it appears as if the administration's approach to this was to reach whatever agreement the iranians are willing to enter into. so i think it's going to be a very hard sell if it's completed in congress. >> how hard a sell steven? >> i think it's going to be tough. i think when you look at the perspectives that have been expressed on both sides of the aisle, some will be against any iran deal at all. others will keep an open mind and say, given the various choices we had with iran what's the least bad option. and i think many people will come out and say that this negotiated deal is pretty darn good. and there will be other people who look at it and say, you know, we gave away too much. so in that when you look at it there's a chance that you could even have both houses of congress vote against the deal. the president has said he will veto those positions, and then i

doubt that the senate or house would have the votes to override. but what you have there is at least tension. this is not going to be a deal that both senate and house line up behind and applaud. >> steven clemons, we always applaud you. thank you very much. >> thank you very much. presidential hopeful donald trump came out swinging at an event in phoenix. he took on a number of issues, including the nation's immigration policy. >> reporter: donald trump pulling no punches in arizona saturday. >> i had an idea. i think it's good. every time mexico really intelligently sends people over we charge mexico $100,000 for every person they send over. >> reporter: and neither did the crowd, clashing with protesters both inside and out.

>> it's rare for a nonincumbent candidate to incite this kind of passion, especially protests. this early on. >> reporter: one reason phoenix itself, ground zero for the immigration debate since 2010 when former governor jan brewer signed sb-1070, the controversial law that authorizes law enforcement to stop anyone they suspect of being undocumented. notably absent arizona's republican governor and two republican senators. >> i think mr. trump maybe should realize that we in arizona, we want a secure border and we have to have a secure border, but we cherish and love our hispanic citizenry. >> reporter: phoenix, a two-day stop where trump rallied thousands of supporters in a 1 hour 10-minute speech taking on immigration as well as obamacare. >> we've got to repeal it and replace it with something good. if you people go with bush you're going to lose.

many of them are dishonest people. >> reporter: miss usa which was dropped by univision and nbc airs tonight on reelz. but trump will not be in attendance, saying he'll be campaigning in phoenix. joining me now with reaction jonathan allen, chief political correspondent. welcome to you, jonathan. what do you make of these speeches and how long do you think he can sustain this enthusiasm? >> i think donald trump is the ultimate troll of the republican party, that he's speaking to a portion of the republican electorate that gop leaders would like to keep gi et. he can't win the presidency. he's not going to win the republican nomination, but he could do a lot of damage to the party as well as highlighting the views of an intolerant minority in the republican party. >> to your point there, let's take a listen to senator lindsey graham talking about trump's comments this morning. >> this is a defining moment in

the future of the republican party. we can't worry about what donald trump might do. we have to focus on what we should do. and as a party, we should reject what he says because it's not true. and if we don't reject it we've lost the moral authority, in my view to govern this country. >> jonathan back in 2012 in the election we saw how todd aiken became a major problem for republicans after his comments about rape. do you think voters are going to be able to distinguish the party from donald trump? >> i do think voters will be able to distinguish the party from donald trump. the problem is which voters you're talking about. i think for a party that's trying very hard to court latino voters, trying to cut into the democratic advantage with them donald trump is hurting that effort. of course, we're only in july of 2015. there's a lot of time before 2016. but i do think that it's hurtful for republicans. >> and let's switch gears and talk about governor scott

walker. he announces his candidacy tomorrow. how challenging is it going to be for him to set himself apart from the numerous other republican candidates? >> well i think the first step in that is campaigning in iowa where he's been doing a lot of events already. he's leading in iowa in the poles. i think that could be a potential springboard for scott walker. it is hard to distinguish yourself in the republican primary right now. what he's got going for him i think is he very well has found a balance between the conservative side of the republican party and the establishment side. he gets a little bit off now and again. but he's trying to run to be that what they call mainstream conservative, somebody acceptable to both sides of the party. the question is whether that candidate can win a general election. >> okay. also, i want to check on the other side there. tomorrow, a big day for hillary clinton who will give a speech outlining her economic agenda. it's expected to be a progressive vision. do you think bernie sanders is forcing hillary clinton at all

to lean to the left on economic issues? >> i think hillary clinton understands the democratic party is very much left of center. i think bernie sanders has pushed her a little bit. but i think what you're really going to hear tomorrow is her distinguishing herself, not so much liberal or centrist within the democratic party, but against the republicans. and you're going to hear that in her attacking the reagan era trickle-down views of the republican party, and arguing that you need to inject benefits to the middle class in order to grow the economy, rather than growing the economy by giving money to the wealthy and hoping that it trickles down. i think she's actually trying to turn this into a partisan contrast and that should drive democratic voters into her column. >> all right. jonathan allen, very much appreciate it. >> take care alex. >> you, too. what caused an explosion at an east coast beach that sent one woman to the hospital. ♪ fresher dentures, for the best first impression.

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now to rhode island where a beach has reopened after an apparent explosion sent one woman to the hospital. police are ruling out terrorism as they investigate what happened. kristen dahlgren what are you hearing about the condition of the woman and what are police focusing on in this investigation? >> reporter: yeah, well, it's still a mystery. that investigation ongoing. they don't believe it was terrorism, they don't believe it was a bomb. so still a lot of questions. even as the beach has reopened and packed today. as for the victim we just got exclusive new photos from her sisters that were here with her yesterday. and i want to show you those, because they show the condition of the beach. and there are actually cracks in the beach after that explosion

threw the woman off of her chair. her sisters say it kind of felt like an earthquake. they thought maybe that was what it was. but then they looked and say they didn't appear to see any fault lines that are around this area. so they still don't know exactly what happened. their sister remains in the hospital today. they're headed over there now, hoping that she'll be released. she does have two fractured ribs. she also had internal bleeding and a concussion. and the story that they tell about how she was thrown from the chair is absolutely incredible. i spoke with one of her sisters earlier, and here's what she told me. >> my sister's chair was butted up against the rocks, made a horseshoe shape and i was looking directly at my sister. there was a bang and you could see the rocks shift and then the eruption came. and she was ejected from the chair, like a cannonball four or five feet off the ground ten feet out and landed down and she was unconscious for three minutes.

sand in her nose banged up literally. then we started to call 911. >> reporter: the beach is open again today. they say it's safe. what do you think of that and what have they told you about what they think happened? >> we really haven't gotten an official report back from anybody. the d.e.p. just called before i went on. my sister has been handling that, and the investigators. so we're just not comfortable without an explanation. >> reporter: so the story about the incredible force that threw this woman out of her chair, there's no question that something happened here alex. they're just really not slur ature what it was. they're sifting through the sand to see if there are any clues. no sign of terrorism, no sign of a bomb. there are no gas lines in the area. and so really just a mystery as we go through today. >> kristen, are people laying out on top of that area or has it been sectioned off?

>> reporter: they are. no, you can see, this beach is packed. it happened over by the jetty over there. there are people climbing on it today. they have been warned to try and stay off of the rocks, but nobody really listening. we talked to some people who were here yesterday, and they heard and felt and saw what happened, and they are back here today. they really just feel like you know it happened once. it was a freak accident they think, and they don't think it's going to happen again, so they're happy to be back out here at the beach, making jokes calling it bomb beach and things like that. the sisters, though of that victim really worried that there is still no explanation, and there are this many people out here today. >> yeah. thank you, kristen dahlgren. appreciate it. republican presidential candidate donald trump hitting the campaign trail out west today. he spoke before thousands in phoenix yesterday. the candidate once again said that he will do well with hispanic voters. >> we have to be very careful,

we have to be very smart. i will win, if i get the nomination, i will win the hispanic vote because i'm taking jobs back from china, i'm taking jobs back from many places. >> let's bring in the former adviser for john mccain's presidential campaign. adolpho, welcome to you. do you agree, is donald trump going to win the hispanic vote? >> of course not. this is really an example of reality tv. this is an unfortunate situation that an entertainer, if you want to call donald trump that has been able to captivate national attention, for what will be a very brief period of time with these offensive remarks, and only get worse. yesterday, of course with a 70-minute tirade it was only an attack on senator mccain, governor bush and people like caroline kennedy. this is not a serious candidate in any shape, way or form. obviously, people of this kind have had attention in the past for a very short period of time

and this will also abate and be a forgotten episode in a few months. >> if you listen to donald trump, he will defend his remarks on mexico and mexicans. >> i love the mexican people. i love the spirit of the mexican people. i respect mexico. the problem is, their leaders are much smarter than our leaders. their negotiators are much tougher than our negotiators. they're much more cunning. and they kill us at the border. people flow through like water. and they send people through that they don't want. >> what does this say to you about donald trump's understanding of the issues over immigration in this country? >> well i don't think he understands any of the issues. this is the typical conspiracy theories and so forth. one of the things we have to remember, this is the person who said that president obama was not born in the united states of birth, or a person who supported democrats more than republicans historically. thought hillary clinton was great. obamacare was at one time

pro-choice, now is pro-life. this is not a serious candidate. but i will say, this is really -- i see it as an opportunity for the republican party, particularly for governor bush. what the silver lining here for our party is it will allow governor bush particularly to articulate the type of message that we need to articulate during the primaries, and in the general election. that we are a party of inclusion. we are a party of pro-immigrants. we absolutely recognize the challenges on the border. i see this actually as an opportunity for the republican party. not what donald trump wanted accomplished, but i do think politically it will benefit us in the long run. >> as you know the gop did not fare well with hispanic voters in 2012. mitt romney carrying 20% of hispanic voters 71% voted for president obama. 44% of latino voters voted republican for george w. bush. how do you think the party will

be able to bring latinos back into the fold in 2016? >> well first of all, we have two hispanics running for president of the united states. we also have governor bush who is married to a mexican-american who has already referred to immigration as an act of love. his brother was able to bring -- former president bush -- over 40% of the vote. i think when you listen to governor bush has particularly said and i'm not on the bush campaign, i'm neutral, but he has spoken more clearly about immigration more recently that we are a party of inclusion. we are a party that understands a need to secure the border no question about that. but we are a party that's welcoming and understands the many contributions. i don't think governor bush has said anything differently than george w. bush said when he was able to capture 40% of the vote. for that reason i think donald trump fiasco to call that a reality show that he is carrying on right now, will ultimately be a platform and an opportunity for republican

moderates. i think what's going to now change the debate in the primaries is one of hearing much more positive statements about the latino community than might have been the case a few weeks ago. >> adolpho, look forward to having you on the broadcast again. >> thank you alex. thank you very much. a cold war of sorts. ♪ to steady betty. to steady betty. fire it up! ♪ am i the only one with a meeting? i've got two. yeah we've gotta go. i gotta say it man this is a nice set-up. too soon. just kidding. nissan sentra. j.d. power's "highest ranked compact car in initial quality." now get 0% financing or a great lease on the nissan sentra. ♪ welcome to fort green sheets. welcome to castle bravestorm. it's full of cool stuff, like... my trusty bow.

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bob, welcome to you. here's what i find most fascinating about this. the fact that the ice is melting allows for more ships in commerce, in what used to be a relatively untouched part of the world. walk us through some of the risks commercializing the arctic. >> imagine an ocean at the top of the planet that's been impassable for centuries. suddenly the ocean opens up. so all the problems that you might have with the atlantic pacific, any ocean suddenly exists in the arctic ocean. we have security problems. you have the russians who have started buzzing us off of alaska. they stopped doing that after the cold war, and resumed that as the arctic comes into play. you have the northwest passage which is the formerly blocked shipping lanes suddenly opening up. potential for terrorism in the northwest passage. who owns the northwest passage? you have the area on top of russia northeast passage, already serving as a passage for

commercial ships around that zone. possible problems with ship sinkings, possible problems with terrorism. possible oil wells in these areas. the schel is heading up north of alaska this month to see if they can strike what they believe to be a huge oil find up there, 27 billion barrels of oil is what they predicted. russians think there is oil there. greenland, oil. canada, oil. it's really a gold rush. and the united states is unprepared, we're sort of last in this race. >> my head is actually spinning considering all of the issues that you're ticking off here. is there a game plan to figure out who's going to control what area? >> well, most of the -- think of it like this. offshore, there is a game plan because every country controls 200 miles off their shores called an exclusive economic zone. so that much is locked up. but then there's a treaty on the table called the law of the sea

treaty. under the treaty the different countries can claim up to 200 miles more of sea bottom. the united states is the only arctic country that is not part of that treaty. we are last in the race to control that sea bottom. we're also last in the race when it comes to the maneuverings of inside the treaty. the countries are deciding how to divide up the seabed different countries have different votes. this is done in a committee at the united nations. we're not on the committee, because we have not ratified that treaty. >> so then bob, i'm curious, what's the appetite in washington for the arctic ocean? especially when you consider alaska is the only state in the geographical position to profit from the ventures there. >> all americans will feel the effects of what happens in the arctic. if you're talking about energy shipping, if you're talking about cheaper commodities coming to the lower 48 if you're talking about troops going up there, because look at the security problem. there were huge war games in russia in the arctic and also

in nato countries in the arctic this year. and the navy has conducted several war games, planning for possible problems in the arctic over the last three years. so don't think that this is just an alaskan issue. the problem is alaska is not attached to the rest of the united states. none of the other arctic countries are so far away from their arctic part as we are. so we don't take it seriously. and we really need to. >> and we are going to have a lot more discussion on this i have a feeling, coming up. bob, thank you so much. >> thank you. close encounters why coyotes are becoming a greater threat to people. that's ahead. inventing how we do business by leading the way on tax cuts. we cut the rates on personal income taxes. we enacted the lowest corporate tax rate since 1968. we eliminated the income tax on manufacturers altogether. with startup-ny, qualified businesses that start, expand or relocate to new york state pay no taxes for 10 years. all to grow our economy and create jobs. see how new york can give your business the opportunity to grow

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welcome back to "weekends with alex witt." this breaking news from mexico right now. powerful mexican drug lord guz mon is on the run after escaping through an elaborate tunnel system. the second time he's escaped from maximum security detention. he discovered a mile-long tunnel

that began under his cell and ran outside the prison walls. mike potter is here for us. mark update us for what more we know. >> the main thing we know continues is that this is a major embarrassment for the mexican government. when they caught chapo guzman last year they touted this as a shining example of their fight against the cartels. they promised they would prosecute him, that he could not escape. he was in their toughest maximum security prison. no way he could get out, and he did. what we know is the technique used to get him out was very very sophisticated, and it suggests that there had to be help inside the prison. basically a mile-long tunnel was dug from a house outside the prison, under the prison walls, and it popped up in a very specific place in the shower area at the prison. in order to do that from a mile away, to pick a spot like that they had to have gps coordinates, they had to know

exactly where to go suggesting this was something long in the planning that had to involve help from inside the prison. he was last seen on camera going into the shower area. he was not seen after that. they checked his cell. he was gone. and the alert went out. now they are searching through mexico to try to find him. they've even put out an alert with interpol to see if he left mexico to go out to another country. he got the jump on them in the middle of the night. this man who was a fugitive for 14 years after escaping -- or 13 years after escaping in 2001 is out there again. the biggest drug trafficker in the world, one of the biggest suppliers to the united states is free again after being captured last year. >> incredible story. mark potter in miami, thank you. new fallout from the disclosure of the scope of that data breach at a government agency which handles federal employee information. the size of data breach is staggering. from a white house

counterterrorism expert. >> we need to take the job of cybersecurity away from 50 or 60 small government agencies like opm, who clearly can't handle it. and create one authority in the federal government that has the mandate and the money to secure cyberspace. >> jamie is here with all the details on this breach. hi jamie. >> hi, alex. u.s. officials say in two separate breaches 22.1 million people had their personal information stolen. alex, officials say that the hackers were inside u.s. government networks for almost a year. the breaches of the u.s. government's computer system is re-igniting a conversation about computer security in this country. social security numbers, health records, family information, all taken. much of it part of background checks required for u.s. government security clearances. speaking to congress fbi director called it an enormous breach. calls for accountability have

been growing for weeks. >> that is why i have done and taken the steps -- >> we don't believe you. i think you're part of the problem. >> reporter: katherine archuleta in personnel management resigned late last week. but the attack was only the latest in an onslaught of cyber attacks on the u.s. government in private companies. in december the fbi accused the north korean government of the hack that led sony pictures to cancel and then make a limited release of its satirical film "the interview." three years ago "the new york times" and the "wall street journal" each reported they had been hacked by the chinese government. the white house has not made any accusation in the breach. though, james clapper, the director of national intelligence, has called china a leading suspect. china denies it was involved. shaun henry, a former assistant director of the fbi, runs crowd strike services, a computer security firm. is the government and the private sector able to keep up with the threat? >> the offense outpaces the

defense. and as technology changes, adversariys are finding new ways to exploit it. as more technology comes into play there are more accesses into networks. >> reporter: according to one study, cyber attacks may cost the u.s. $100 billion a year. a separate study commissioned by ibm says the average cost per breach is $6.5 million. ibm and other major companies are calling for congress to pass legislation that would encourage them to share information about threats. among themselves and with the federal government. privacy advocates worry that personal information will be swept up too. but experts insist that prevention is still important. they say simple measures such as requiring a second additional password, would go a long way. >> cybersecurity gets a lot more attention than it did ten years ago, but there still hasn't been

enough action. how many more is it going to take, is what people ask me and i usually say, probably a lot more because we're moving at such a slow pace. >> reporter: now according to opm, the breach occurred because of a compromised credential in other words, a stolen log-in. they released a report detailing security measures they have taken since the breach which implements two-factor log-ins. today the agency tells me 100% of its employees are using two-factor log-ins and had begun that rollout before they knew the breach occurred. >> thank you so much jamie. trouble within the ranks of the taliban. what does that mean for the u.s. ohhhhh... whoa whoa whoa! who's responsible for this?!? if something goes wrong, you find a scapegoat. ...rick. it's what you do.

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today the u.s. is looking for confirmation that the leader of isis was killed in a u.s. drone strike on friday. it comes amid a widening fracture in the insurgents there. the taliban has actually now

split up into three groups those who want to continue the fight, those who want peace talks, and those who pledged allegiance to isis. joining me now, foreign editor of "the daily beast" and author of the new book "our man in charleston." we're going to get to that christopher. welcome to you. should we look at these isis groups in afghanistan as the caliphate spreading its tentacles, or just the same old militants with a new banner? >> no no it's definitely the caliphate spreading its tentacles. it's driving the taliban crazy. they're not sure what to do about it. they present themselves as the great islamic hope in afghanistan. yet here's this group recruiting their -- some of their top leadership and are saying no we pledge allegiance to baghdadi in syria. we're establishing a new state called corazon that dates back to the days of muhammad. it's really complicating things

for them and they're a very dangerous group. >> want to get your perspective on the iran nuclear talks, the negotiators on both sides saying it's possible an agreement could be reached today, there are still major issues to be resolved. what are you hearing? >> well i hear that there's a very large document, somewhere between 60 and 100 pages, that is essentially the agreement they've been looking for. there are some sticking points there are some difficulties but they could probably present it in the next 24 to 36 hours. it's not going to be the final document, however. it's got to go back to the various governments, and at the end of the day what they're going to say is we've initialled this text but the deal is not done. >> all right. i've been waiting for a couple of weeks to talk about this the book, "our man in charleston," a fascinating character who until now has been unknown. who was he? >> well he was a young british diplomat. he was appointed to be the

consul in charleston south carolina, in 1853. and he served there for ten years, until 1863. through all the buildup to the civil war, through secession, and through the early days of the civil war. and while he ingratiated himself with the slave owners and elite in charleston secretly he was sending back confidential dispatches to london saying do not back these people do not support these people. and precisely because britain never did support the confederacy in any significant way, the confederacy had very little chance of winning that war. if britain had supported them it would have been checkmate, game over because britain was the most powerful country in the world then. >> he was horrified by some of the activity around him. how prevalent overall was spying during the civil war? >> well you know people didn't talk about spies in the same way that they do today. we talk about spies now as if

that's an honorable profession. and in many ways it is. but it wasn't in those days. and bunch operated in that gray area where diplomacy and espionage meet. he was sending secret correspondence. he was completely duplicitous with the people around him. and he was gathering information, was absolutely vital to the future of the united states and to the future of the british empire. so was he a diplomat? was he a spy? those distinctions weren't clear at the time. >> christopher, what did great britain have at stake in the civil war? they needed cotton right? but what else? >> well no i think you have to understand how important cotton was, alex. cotton was like the oil of the day. it was the major trading commodity. and britain's textile industry which was the heart of its industrial strength depended on southern cotton. 80% of the cotton that was woven

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to stay clear if they see coyotes on the prowl in their neighborhood. a new documentary about amy winehouse opened up in theaters this weekend. it is called "amy." it features never-before-seen footage of the late soul singer. joining me the chief film critic from "the washington post." i have seen this film in previews and i thought it was fantastic. a lot of the reason for that is we saw footage from amy for the first time. talk about that. >> yeah. it is extraordinary. she was lucky enough -- or we're lucky enough that she came of age during the video home movie era so we're seeing footage of her singing and fooling around with her friends as a young girl and a teenager and even in those sequences we can see the beginnings of just this huge huge talent. she just was a really precocious singer and interpreter of jazz standards and jazz music. you can just even see it in those very early clips.

>> one of which is -- i guess the movie starts out with her singing happy birthday to someone impromptu. it stopped everyone in the theater. it was so incredibly powerful. i understand the movie got rave reviews when it premiered at cannes. what kind of -- what do you make of the way that the director told amy winehouse's story? >> well what he's done is so deceptively difficult. i mean it looks simple when it is done so well but he's used this amazing archival store of footage, like that new stuff that you're talking about -- but also some familiar -- some interviews and some performances and he's using modern day interviews with people who knew her, all of that kind of standards stuff that you do with the documentary. but he's created a really densely layered film that is not only an excellent biopic just a musical biopic of an extraordinarily talented person but it gets into sort of the culture around her, the

paparazzi culture and the media culture that took such gruesome delight in her downfall when she started just ded her drug addiction and other problems. without being a scolding her say are o ever really sort of explicitly saying this is what i'm going to do and this is what i'm objecting to he just weaves it in so organically and beautifully that it turns out to be a film that really transcends its nominal subject which is amy winehouse and becomes a thoughtful meditation on society and culture. >> what's your take-away about amy winehouse? >> i just -- i was a fan with a small "f." but really restored her to her rightful place as a great, great singer. tony bennett delivers an incredibly moving eulogy to her that just -- it just -- i just

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