l iran proves to the international atomic energy agency it has met obligations under the terms of the deal. iranian president rouhani has taken the first step tweeting a photo of his vice president signing a road map plan with head of of the ieai. iran will provide answers to the agency's questions. the agreement runs 80 pages and was struck after painstaking review that stretched into the early hours of this morning. the agreement benefits all sides is what was said. >> i believe this is a historic moment. we are reaching an agreement that is not perfect for anybody. but it is what we could accomplish and it is an important achievement for all of us. today could have been the end of hope on this issue. but now we are starting a new chapter of hope and let's build

on that. let's consider this everybody's achievement. >> during this broadcast, we'll hear from president obama. we have onset with us former communications director from president george w. bush nicole wallace and contributor, mike bonak will. nicholas and in washington columnist and associate editor for the "washington post," david ignatius and senior foreign affairs correspondent, michael crowley. we also have kristjanchris kristjan sing with us. this must have gone to the wire and there must be relief that a deal was struck. >> i think that's a fair assessment of how people are feeling. they're also putting the finishing touches on the president's remarks that will start in an hour. of course, this is historic. this is a landmark deal and is arguably, the crowning

achievement of the diplomatic approach that the president has had since he took office. the diplomacy, dialog are the best way to resolve differences with america's adversaries, we saw it with cuba and myanmar. it's something that's been under discussion for years. it makes this a singularly historic achievement. having said that some of the senior white house officials are also trying to be a little bit cautious about this. they say, look this isn't an immediately transformative deal. there's a lot that has to happen over the next five years, ten years, 15 years to see if this does what the president wants it to do. because immediately, of course you'll hear this argument from him today. immediately the idea of these negotiations were to make it more difficult for iran to get a nuclear weapon right? to make the world a safer place. that's sort of the most basic central argument that they'll make. they'll have a bigger plan as

well. you've heard the president talk about this. they want to bring iran slowly back into the international community. this is just one part of it. because, of course as you know congress from the time they get this written deal has 60 days to review it. it is expected that some people will bring forward that they want to vote on a disapproval of this deal. then there's another 22 days. it's unlikely we'll see anything happening until mid-september on this. that's a long time to hear what disgruntled and in some cases, very angry members of congress will have to say about this. there is also the diplomacy that has to continue internationally. we've heard the reaction from netanyahu who is unhappen by what has happened. it's also caused strains with allies in the middle east places like saudi arabia. but for this morning, certainly a sense of relief the belief that the international community, that the nations have

come together and you'll hear the president say, done something that makes the world a safer place, mika. >> chris, stay with us if you can. we want to talk about the finer points of the deal. a world view, we could run into stumbling blocks. mike barn ak will. >> joining us is chief correspondent richard engel. the prime minister prime minister netanyahu has indicated in a strong statement that he's bitterly opposed to this deal. what is the situation on the ground in israel today with regard to it? >> right now we're seeing a lot of angry reaction coming from netanyahu and other members of the israeli government. netanyahu has been tweeting. he's been speaking in hebrew, he's been speaking in english. he's been tweeting in farsi about doing everything he can to make sure the world knows how opposed israel is to this agreement. just to give you a couple of quotes he's been putting out

there. iran will receive hundreds of billions of dollars through which it will be able to fuel the terror machine. its aggression in the middle east and throughout the world. that's one. iran is about to get a safe pt to nuclear weapons. that's another. an editorial written by a columnist that compared this deal to the 1938 agreement with munich with hitler which didn't go on to stop world war ii. there's a lot of anger here and not just in israel. in many capitals in the arab world, there is deep distrust with this agreement. basically, the arab world and israel both do not think that iran will abide by the deal that it will cheat and that this agreement will give iran more money, more power, more political clout to continue its policies in the middle east that are causing a lot of instability right now in syria, in yemen and

lebanon. >> richard, given your coverage over the years of that caldron of a region what is your sense that this agreement could set off a new and really volatile middle east arms race? >> reporter: it is very possible. in one sense you have to look at this as a gamble. the u.s. is taking a gamble. the u.s. there's relatively low risk. the u.s. is far away its involvement in the middle east is with a few advisers with drones and if it doesn't work there are policies in place to snap the sanctions back. so for the u.s., it's a gamble with, let's say, acceptable downside. for the region right now, this is not like cuba. this is not like myanmar. there are active conflicts under way in which iran is a major party to those conflicts. there is a possibility that this agreement could just be adding more fuel to the sectarian fire.

it will embolden groups like isis which will see iran and the u.s. in collusion. it will cause saudi arabia to become more nervous that it's being surrounded by iranian expansionism. an arms race is possible and a wos earning of the active regional conflicts in the region is also possible. we are joined by nbc's andrea mitchell who is standing by in vienna. give us where you think the problems will be confronted not just internationally as richard engel was pointing out but also domestically. >> i think both are going to be centered on the lifting or phasing out of the arms embargo. the u.n. arms embargo on conventionalist weapons and also on ballistic missiles. because, as has been explained to us and the embargo has been broken now, because the european union has tweeted out the deal.

so we can say that this deal does include, as has been explained to us today, that the conventional weapons ban currently on iran would be phased out in five years and the missiles ban in eight years. that is already controversial in congress with democrats as well as republicans. i think there's, as you've heard from richard and israel complaints that iran after 15 years, will be able to resume research and development. after ten years, they'll be able to start rebuilding some of their facilities and after 15 years, they're going to be able to resume nuclear research. now, what has been explained to us is that there's very intensive monitoring unusual, unprecedented monitoring by the international inspectors. they'll have online monitoring of all aspects of the fuel cycle. so the defense from the people of the state department the people negotiating this and all of the different delegations is

that don't just look at what netanyahu is complaining about. we are going to have unprecedented control on every aspect of what goes into making a nuclear weapon and that's what's so unusual about this deal. achieved partly through breakthrough from iran's top nuclear scientist and our energy secretary. >> as andrea points out nicole and you can take it back to her, shouldn't that appease some of the concerns that republicans and democrats have about the deal? >> well i think all of the republican concerns are going to be borne out in the iranian response this morning. the iranian press is calling this a major victory for iran. yesterday screaming death to america and burning american flags. republicans in congress skeptical and remain skeptical and one of the final sticking points was we did not succeed in a chiefly unfettered military inspections. is that still the case this morning, andrea? >> they have achieved they say,

iran is going to adopt extra -- beyond what's required in the treaty. they will agree to inspections with notice from the weapons inspectors and what -- >> notice -- iranians have historically -- >> let me explain. they've been given extraordinary power over this deal. for instance sanctions will not be lifted until iran convinces the iea several months from now if they can accomplish it in that short a time that they have met all of the obligations, the commitments in this deal to dismantle key parts of their program. it is the iea, not the united states, not their negotiating partners that's going to sanctify this or bless it. that will lead to the sanctions being lifted. that is, i'm sure going to be questioned as well. to your point, the nuclear inspectors, we're told, will not only be able to have access to

the sensitive sites upon request but when there is a dispute it will be negotiated and taken immediately to a group that includes the united states and the other allies. this other group will not have the veto power. there's one other piece that's unusual. the snap-back part of the sanctions. the sanctions would go back on -- basically, no one can veto the sanctions going back on if someone proposes a resolution to put them back on because iran has cheated. they have to disprove it and it can automatically be snapped back on. >> andrea thank you very much. we've got a major turning point here, joe. give us a sense in terms of the big picture, 20,000 feet. what this deal means for the obama presidency but also what lies ahead in terms of the controversy over it. >> well what, it means for the obama president sis, he gets what he's wanted to have since he started campaigning in 2008.

his first foreign policy battles were going up against hillary clinton when he talked about opening relations with iran. he was mocked by the clinton campaign and other democrats and republicans. he's been desperate for this deal. you can look what he did in 2009 when the iranians were shooting people in the streets and had a vicious horrific crackdown. he said hardly a word. whereas, you have other middle east flare-ups, whether it was egypt, he said mubarak should go syria, assad must go, if it was libya, he said kadaffi must go. there was a reason why barack obama refused to criticize the iranians the to the degree that most wanted him even in 2009 to do that. he always imagined being able the person to broker this deal. he has done that. david ignatius he has done that despite the fact that he's looked too desperate for a deal

from the very beginning from many observers in congress many foreign policy people and a lot of international diplomats, especially international diplomats that represent sunni countries across the middle east. we've focused so much on the united states not liking this deal we focused on israel not liking this deal. talk about from the outlines of what you've seen what this deal means to our sunni allies in the middle east from what you've seen and the fight that barack obama is going to have moving forward not only in congress and on capitol hill but also across the middle east. >> joe, there's no question that president obama is now headed into the political fight of his life. from the moment he became president and i mean from the moment he delivered his inaugural address, he talked about seeking to engage iran in the situation of mutual interest and mutual respect. that was the phrase he used from the first day.

he's pushed ahead from that despite growing criticism from traditional u.s. allies, like israel and the arab states. as i look at what's being announced today, this is an historic breakthrough after weeks and months of negotiations. it appears to me that obama has succeeded, secretary of state kerry has succeeded in getting in written terms the framework that was achieved in low zahn in april, which was laid out in a fact sheet by the u.s. it was described by most analysts at that time as a fairly good deal in terms of constraining the nuclear program in iran for 10 to 15 years. those details seem to have been pinned down. on the question of inspector's access to iran to verify compliance with a deal it seems that iran has specified it will accept what's called the additional protocol for the framework agreement which will allow managed access to iranian

nuclear sites. it appears that iran backed away from its refusal in ayatollah khamenei to allow them to certify iranian compliance. as i read this early fragmentary -- if that embargo is lifted in eight years and the case of regular arms five years in the case of missiles that's not -- iran was demanding immediate lifting. it's a little bit better than people had feared. there's no question that obama is going to face criticism like netanyahu's statement today saying this is an historic mistake, not achievement. that's what president obama is going to have to make the case. this is an aachievement, not a mistake. >> let's go to richard engel. you have a statement, speaking of israel. you have a statement from an israeli leader. what do you have for us?

>> reporter: the statements are just unbelievably strong in their language. this one just came in while we were talking from the ministry of defense. it says this regime meaning the iranian regime, employs terror, funds terror, arms terror and disseminates terror across the world. the agreement signed with iran will only serve to further support this bloody enterprise and it concludes, this agreement is bad. it rewards deceit terror and warmongering. the mere thought of receping the chief terrorist regime into the family of nations is beyond belief. and these are the kind of statements coming out from israel, the israeli government has said consistently that it plans to go on the offensive. it was not able to stop this deal. it wasn't party to the talks. but that it wants to use its friends in washington to prevent this deal from being implemented implemented. extraordinarily tough

language, thank you so much richard engel. greatly appreciate it. mika. this has to be an interesting time for you. your father's legacy you grew up with the iranian hostage crisis. that was a big part of those four years. yet, your father has talked about the need to open relations with iran for quite some time. i'm curious on a personal front what are your feelings about this deal and about the united states making peace at least on one very significant level with a country that we haven't had relations with since 1979? >> well we're witnessing a major turn in history. i think it's an incredibly historic accomplishment. having said that i look at it probably like a lot of other people do with very very careful distrustful eyes. i think that's why the

unprecedented transparency is going to be very important. we'll see what happens. i think that at this point it's going to be how israel and the united states sort of try and reconnect and re-establish some sort of relationship. also harold ford how washington perhaps tries to work together again and come to terms with this as well. because if this becomes a huge fight in washington it could be a destructive process. >> two people to watch here. bob corker and chuck schumer. their feelings on this their immediate reactions to this will help signal how washington frankly, how the senate will at least in the immediate term interpret this and how they will vote. listening to what richard said and how andrea interpreted this and how mike started this out to questions will obviously dictate where we go from here. anywhere, any time inspections, whether or not the embargo will be lifted how it will be lifted. after 10 15 years, what the

terms of this deal are. how the iranians will be able to go about enriching and for that matter developing things will be the three questions that the congress and senate interpret and how they determine how they vote. listening to this immediate conversation, initial conversation, i'm not optimistic how congress will interpret this and i'm curious to hear how nick for that matter how others in congress interpret where it goes from here. >> within an hour we'll see statements from all the candidates for president denouncing this deal very quickly. for obama, for the president, it's a leap of faith. not going to see how it plays out for eight, ten years. it's like richard nixon and china. it's a big moment. it's impossible to see how it plays out. our allies especially israel, how it plays out. >> we're going to be hearing at 7:15 this morning, about an hour from tom cotton on capitol hill. joe, that should give us a sense

of the road ahead domestically for this president and this deal. >> how do you think, mika tom is going to take this? >> i think he's going to be fine. he's evolving. >> joe, tom e-mailed me this morning -- >> he's going to be a happy guy today. >> i don't think so. he's going to be with us live. that's going to be very very interesting. we look forward to that. you're going to see at least what probably 50% of the united states senate is thinking when you hear what tom cotton says. remember, he's the one that of course authored that letter with 47 people telling the president to step away from this a long time ago. let's go get reaction from tehran. ali, i have to believe that while there's going to be weeping and nashing of teeth in washington, d.c. and a lot of americans scratching their heads, this has to be a

remarkably historic day for the people of tehran. >> that's right, joe. this is a huge day for the people in iran. they've been anticipating this for many years. in iran, since the revolution, i have to tell you that the majority of people in this country want normal relations with america. they don't have animosities with america. yes, there is a hardcore line in this country that -- their national line is death to america and they are backed by very powerful people. but they are in a minority. people in the country have been craving for normal relations with america. over the last few days we've been interviewing, talking to regular iranians and they've been waiting for this moment to happen. they want to engage with the united states and want american businesses to come here. they want relations with them. this is going to be a huge victory for president rouhani. even though in the past, they haven't said this. this is the elusive prize, the source of normalized relations

with the united states. in iran, they knew that things really wouldn't resolve themselves unless you make things okay with the world's biggest super power. iran has been america's biggest enemy for so long they could now any about embarking on a new chapter with the united states. they have common enemies in the region. but we also have to see how that plays out. people in iran the powerful -- they don't know how it's going to affect their future. they're going to have a big say in this over the course of the months and years. joe? >> all right, ali route en in tehran. it will be interesting seeing the reaction from iran. they've been living a much more isolated existence for years. let's go back to andrea mitchell with details. on the sanctions part of this obviously a lot of people on capitol hill and across washington. what can you tell us?

>> the sanctions will not be lifted as i say until iran complies with the nuclear disabling of its commitments under in deal. that could be december january, february. it takes a while until the iaea certifies that they have done that. there is one key thing that came up in conversations that we had with top officials. this is going to be another problem that you've diagnosed. when we asked how much research can iran do when the deal is done in the 11th 12th 13th year when they bring in advanced centrifuges again, when the terms of this agreement are over. that is an agreement, a comprehensive plan for nuclear research that iran will submit to the iaea. it's not going to be briefed. the u.s. can see it once submitted. right now, they cannot go to congress and say this is precisely what they will do in the out years. that is, i think going to be

another of the questions that democrats as well as republicans are telling me they're going to raise, especially on the intelligence and foreign relations committee. we talk about the prospect of a new relationship. i think that is very much on the table. but it may -- if iran continues what the u.s. describes as its bad behavior on other fronts on human rights and terrorism, in four hot wars right now for factions, that is going to sour any warming of relations that might have come from this nuclear agreement. >> a lot of questions. michael crowley, your thoughts on the road ahead. >> maybe i would sound it on a different note that segues from what andrea said. this is a historic day, turning point. also it's a little less thrilling than that. it's a narrow arms control deal that punts the iranian nuclear question for a decade or more. and hopes that down the line there's a more reasonable iran

we can work with. it's entirely possible and i've talked to a lot of people who know iran about this question. in response to this deal iran will not become our friend and cooperate with us. indeed, that hard liners in the iranian government will sort of want their turn. the iranian revolutionary guard corps will become more aggressive, that the sanctions will allow iran to send more money and eventually if this arms embargo is lifted more arms to proxy allies in lebanon, iraq yemen. interestingly, you might see iran sending more support to bashir al assad who president obama said has to go. that's against a foreign policy priority. it would be wonderful if relations thaw and we have a new friend in the middle east. it's also -- we've kicked the can and in ten years another president sees how things stand,

what kind of leadership iran has and revisits it. the last thing i'll say quickly on congress, which we've mentioned a couple times but haven't heard anybody explain this for viewers. congress will vote on this deal and can prohibit obama, if they say they don't like the deal from suspending sanctions on iran but obama will veto that legislation and so this battle that we're headed towards and it's going to involve a minicam pain, the money is already pouring in from interest groups and the usual billionaire suspects battle for a handful of really it will be democratic votes, could be largely in the senate could revolve around people like schumer and ben car din. can they sustain that presidential veto because congress needs a 2/3 vote to overturn the veto. you're going to need a bunch of democrats. >> michael, thank you. joe, obviously a tough road ahead. but right now a pretty historic moment and a win for this president. >> it is a massive diplomatic

win for this president. the question is whether he can finish the deal with congress. there is possibility, mika of course that the corker legislation allows congress to reject this deal. the president doesn't want to enter the most significant peace treaty over the last 20 years by overriding a veto of congress and having 70% of americans opposing that deal. i think it's going to be a great challenge for this man who doesn't like lobbying capitol hill. if he wants to cement this deal the right way, he's going to have to. do you think he can do it? do you think barack obama has it in him after search years to work democrats to say you have to stand by me here, starting with chuck schumer? >> i think after the flurry of victories from health care to -- all the different things that have happened there is a second wind happening here. i'm hearing he's going to be working the phones and working this hard. after all this months and months and months of painstaking

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there at the end most likely. whether you're jeb bush or schmidt -- jeb bush or walker or rubio, donald trump is taking up all the oxygen in the room. that's all the media is talking about. while a lot of people go oh, well the media is feeding into this, that's all people coming up to you and me on the streets are talking about too. what do you think about trump. i like trump, i hate trump. donned donald trump is where he wants to be. >> steve schmidt, it seems like you can't say something about donald trump without looking like you're taking a side. i've been asking all along just will he have an impact and i get these kind of visceral reactions. the answer is yes. is it not? >> no doubt he'll have an impact. in fact, he's the dominant figure in the republican race for the nomination for the presidential election. and all of these candidates will

define themselves by how they deal with donald trump, particularly in the debates. donald trump has the to end campaigns or to make campaigns. but the men and women who wish to be the republican nominee for president of the united states their ability to put down donald trump, to call out his excesses i think, will be definitional to their chances. >> i'm a huge trump denier. i think he's a bozo. i'm from san francisco. right now people in san francisco, the most liberal city in america think trump has a point when it comes to illegal immigration. the family of kate steinle. can't understand why the white house hasn't reached out to that family about sanctuary cities. that's trump's message and that's why, i think, in part he just became a more powerful figure in the primary. >> joe what do you think?

>> i want to follow-up with what nicolle said. talking about liberals from california saying trump has a point. i was talking about our friend in oregon derrick who construction workers who were working on a renovation at his house, they're all independents or democrats, they're all talking about trump. you don't really see this often in american politics mika. i know that makes a lot of people in our little bubble cringe. but when people like ross perot come along and start talking this way and start connecting, it really does shake up the apple cart. it doesn't happen that much that you have liberals in san francisco, you have construction workers in oregon you have people all across the southeast that know this guy gave money to hillary clinton, know this guy

supported single-payer health care system. that they're supporting him. it is really very -- very very disruptive force right now. >> go ahead, harold. >> mention this. who does this help the most as you look at this presidential race? jeb bush hillary clinton, the most dominant figure? if you were in a clinton campaign right now, would you not say to yourself this is a blessing in disguise or a blessing out front for us? >> if i were in the clinton campaign, i would say this is the greatest thing that said to us. if i were in the bush campaign this is the greatest thing that happened to us. if i were jeb bush i would stop playing pretty football and i would go after trump and i would pummel him with both fists and i would keep punching him and i would be the man who destroys donald trump if i were jeb bush. trump saying he's a weak ling, trump saying he's a wuss.

i see this as an opportunity for jeb bush. i go after him, call him a bigot, i say he's a racist. i say what he's said about illegal immigrants is offensive. i talk about my own background i talk about all of the hard working immigrants in florida that i grew up with, all of the hard working immigrants in texas that i grew up with. this is a great opportunity and steve schmidt, i'm sure you'd agree, this is a great opportunity for anybody who wants it to be a great opportunity. but if you're sitting there playing it safe hoping that the bully is going to walk past you and not punch you, you're going to get punched. go after him. by the way, this is just political advice. i am not saying that jeb should. i'm saying politically, it's jeb's best move. if he sits back and plays marcus of queens bury rules, everybody is going to get bloody. >> joe don't hold back. >> really joe.

>> look -- steve, take it. >> i agree completely with what joe is saying. if the republican candidate who will take on donald trump, who will essentially do today's version of have you no decency, sir that we heard during the mccarthy hearings. >> jeb said that. >> 100% go after him with the ferocity that joe is talking about, that's the person who is going to be the republican nominee. >> jeb may have done it. but i fell asleep. go ahead. >> by the way, exactly. i want to say, the most important thing, though is that in so doing this mika this is an opportunity -- a generational opportunity for republicans. if you have the right person that goes out there, defends the law, first of all, but at the same time defends the law, defends hispanics and people from mexico that actually is remembered in the general election in a way mitt romney's

unfortunate statement about hispanics was remembered in 2012. nicolle, i think it's a great opportunity but mika is right. jeb can't say it in a way that puts you to sleep. he has to roll up your sleeves and punch hard. >> ignore his instinct to get back to whatever policy he's working on. >> he has to -- i agree with you. taking on trumpism if you will has to become his central cause to stay ahead of him. all right. up next -- you guys are funny. these two guys were like recoiling in their seats and laughing nervously. >> he doesn't hold back. >> "morning joe." >> he's doing fine. up next we'll go back live -- >> mika listen, if you're in the boxing ring you can keep your gloves at your side or you can use them. >> that's right. >> jeb bush jeb has -- he has more money than anybody else,

more likely to win the nomination than anybody else. if you look at donald trump in jeb bush's camp is a problem, you've got a problem. donald trump is the greatest opportunity that has come along for jeb bush in quite some time. but he has to get bloody and trump will love every second of it. >> yeah, punch back. check your text joe. i've taken a clue from you. we'll go back to the white house as they prepare for a historic announcement from president obama. we'll be right back. watch as these magnificent creatures

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this deal and also the historic nature of this moment. >> the historic nature of this moment mika that john kerry chased with abandon, some would say reckless abandon for quite some time but this is obviously a huge morning for former senator john kerry, now secretary of state john kerry. in a position that he's always wanted to be in. >> yeah. >> being secretary of state, brokering a deal. many people mocked him the second he became secretary of state. jetting across the world, chasing a deal. it appears that he has caught one and the question is whether he's going to be able to sell it along with barack obama and the rest of america. i can tell you though as we start getting statements coming from the united states senate here we have u.s. senator ben sass just issued a statement saying that barack obama john kerry, you've "lit the fuse for a nuclear arms race that actual."

that's a statement that could be coming out of cairo or many other sunni capitals across the middle east. >> that reckless abandon or intensity that john kerry has shown over the past few months adding to it, i think he has a broken leg, right? from the bike accident. >> yeah. >> that he endured recently. the guy doesn't give up. back with us from the white house, we have nbc news senior white house correspondent chris jansing. chris, you have new information about what the president is expected to say in a matter of moments. >> yeah. he's going to spend about 15 minutes. this is when the sales job starts right? he has 15 minutes to lay out essentially what his case is to the american people to congress and the international community. he's been working on it this morning. saw the lights go on in the residence maybe a little after 5:45 this morning. again, his aides tell me it will last about 15 minutes. first of all, he's going to thank everybody involved in this. there were many times that this field looked like it was going to collapse when many of the

players not only looked but admitted that they were completely exhausted, voices were raised. testy words were exchanged. now they have this agreement. i think one of the things that's worth pointing out is that although the president will make a sort of general overview talk about how he believes this makes the world a safer place, he'll thank britain, france china, germany, russia, push the fact that this is an international agreement. the complexities of this 100 pages, including i think, five addendums are absolutely staggering. our understanding is one of the reasons we didn't get this last night is they were very concerned to be specific about the translation in these documents. they didn't want iran to be able to come back and say, that's not exactly what we agreed to. so given the complexities of this given the ability for sanctions to be snapped back on the opposition in congress and

in the international community, while the white house certainly feels that they've reached a deal that kethey can sell they also know, as one senior official put it to me joe and mika we are years away from judging its success. >> chris, thank you very much. we're going to see what's going on here. this is in vienna as they're getting ready to have a press conference. my understanding was the president was going to speak first. but i believe we have -- want to bring up the sound. we have foreign minister zarif speaking and this may be a translator. we're not sure. we're going to take a listen. >> thanks to the constructive engagement of all parties and the dedication and ability of our teams, we have successfully concluded negotiations. and we solved disputes that lasted more than ten years. many people brought this difficult negotiations forward

during the last decade and we would like to thank them all as we would like to thank the international atomic energy agency for its critical contribution and close cooperation as well as the austrian government for the support and the hospitality. thank you. we the european union, foreign security policy and the foreign minister of the islamic republic of iran together with the foreign ministers of the people's republic of china, france germany, the russian federation, united kingdom and the united states of america met here in vienna following several months of intensive work at various levels and in different formats to negotiate the text of the joint comprehensive plan of action based on the key parameters agreed on the 2nd of april. we have today agreed on the final text of this joint comprehensive plan of action.

the e-3 eu plus three and the islamic republic of iran welcome the historic joint comprehensive plan of action which will ensure that iran's nuclear program would be exclusivity -- mark from the shift in their approach to this issue. they first anticipate that full implementation of this joint comprehensive plan of action will positively contribute to regional and international peace and security. >> you're listening to the high representative for the european union standing side by side with foreign minister rouhani on the historic deal, zarif with iran and she's speaking about this. we're standing by. in a matter of 10 to 15 minutes we'll hear from president obama. for now, we'll continue to listen in. >> lifting of all u.n. security council sanctions as well as multilateral and national

sanctions related to iran's nuclear program. including steps on access it areas of trade, technology finance and energy. the time comprehensive plan of action comprises of a main test and five technical on nuclear sanctions, a joint commission and implementation. these documents are detailed and specific. that is important because all sides wanted clarity so as to ensure the full and effective implementation of the agreement. the joint comprehensive plan of action is a balanced deal that respects the interests of all sides. it is also complex, detailed and technical. we cannot fully summarize the agreement now. but the full main text and all its annexes will be made public still today. >> mika we're listening to the summary of this deal.

it's very interesting, there's a line in here that says the accord is going to be a political agreement and not a legally binding treaty. obviously, there's legal significance to that. but to strike this deal there was a lot of gives on john kerry's side and the question is whether congress is going to go along with this deal or not. i guess that's really the question of the moment. >> the next maybe 25 to 30 minutes on "morning joe" will be so interesting, we're going to hear from the president, take his comments live. that will be followed by senator tom cotton. so we'll be getting two very different points of view on this. first, though from the president of the united states who i think who it's not an argument that this is a huge accomplishment on the diplomatic front. >> can i ask joe a question? >> sure, go ahead harold.

>> if you were in the senate what would make you want to vote for or against this bill? what would you advise senators the moment you were senator? what would you be thinking as this deal was presented in the president's speech in a few minutes? >> the most important thing, obviously, simplified to its barest terms ronald reagan did it whenever there were talks about deals with the soviet union. you can trust but you have to verify. for most people going into this deal and even the administration most important thing was verification any time anyplace. that in large part is a necessity because you're dealing with a country that has been the epicenter of international terrorism since 1979. so the inspections regime is absolutely critical. i would also be very concerned by the fact that the white house backed down on the demands that iran dismantle its most advanced

nuclear facilities and its nuclear program. the iranians are going to be able to go back now and brag that they haven't had to dismantle anything. they've taken some things out and put it in storage. but according to the terms of this deal nothing really of any significance is dismantled. that would obviously be a great concern. let me go to david ignatius with that question as well. david, as you formulate your thoughts in the coming days and weeks and write your columns to your avid and faithful leaders, the leaders of not only this country but across the middle east and the world, what are you going to be looking at? let me frame harold's question to you as a journalist and an opinion shaper. what parts of this deal are you going to be looking most closely

at? >> joe, i'm going to start at the same place that you did. i'm going to look at the way in which iranian compliance with this agreement will be inspected and verified. iran says privately that it is prepared to accept the additional protocol so-called which allows iea inspectors to go to any facility in iran where they have reason to suspect that prohibited activities are taking place. that's known as managed access. i want to look at the details of that, precisely what the trigger is. how much debate there is before it's on the ground. those details are really going to matter. i want to look at research and development. if, through the course of this 10 to 15-year agreement, iran rushes ahead with research and development, at the end they're going to be a much more powerful nuclear player than they are today. i'm going to look at how this

agreement affects iran's other activities in the region. i fear that it's going to have no affect at all and many analysts say that the iranians may even be more aggressive to show they're not constrained by the new framework of the agreement. i'd sum up joe, by saying that president obama is making what i'd call a cosmic bet that after ten years iran will be a different country and will be less dangerous to the united states and israel. i want to know what evidence there is to think that cosmic bet is going to come out right for the united states for israel, for all of our friends. >> david, what is a possibility that this deal launches a new arms race across the middle east regardless of what iran does over the next ten years? do sunni powers across the middle east, do they have to have the confidence of barack obama in the good heartedness of

the iranians? of course they don't. it seems to me they'll be making decisions this morning based on how to protect themselves from a growing shiite power. what happens there? what happens in saudi arabia? what happens in egypt? what happens in jordan? >> unfortunately, much of what happens in those countries will be masked from the u.s. the reason that president obama held his camp david summit with the leading sunni arab powers was precisely to deal with that issue. he got statements on paper that made is sound like they're going along with this deal. we'll have to see. but the statements are there in principle. they say they're more worried about iranian behavior than they are about the fact that they're a nuclear power. >> all right, david ignatius thank you. we are following the breaking news this morning as we approach the top of the hour. a deal has been reached over iran's nuclear program.

iran has pledged to make changes to its nuclear program in exchange for the easing of economic sanctions in an historic pact agreed by the united states and other world powers. here are the details. according to western diplomatic sources, iran and six world powers have agreed to a deal that will limit iran's nuclear production for ten years. it will also curb their access to nuclear fuel and equipment for 15 years. both are in return for billions of dollars in sanctions relief. the sanctions will not be lifted until iran proves to the international atomic energy agency that it has met its obligations under the terms of a deal. iranian president ahsan rouhani has taken the first step tweeting a photo of the vice president signing a roadmap plan with the head of the iaea. the agreement runs more than 80 pages and was struck after

painstaking review that stretched into the early hours of this morning. it still faces a vote in congress that won't be easy. it remains unclear whether the republicans and some democrats who object to the deal will actually be able to override its enactment. that's the question i have for you, joe. we're waiting in the next two minutes president obama is going to take to the podium. we're going to take that live. let's talk about what he confronts in congress. first of all do they have the power to push back this deal and what would be the biggest issues do you think? >> they have the power to move public opinion to such a degree that it's going to make it very difficult for president obama to continue to champion a bill that says 75% of americans would oppose. i suspect after 12 years of war, a war weary nation might be more reluctant to take a hostile view, even to a country like

iran. but i want to follow-up on what david ignatius said mika, this is a president who has supported the concept muchof leading from behind and being cautious in foreign policy more times than not. there are notable exceptions like libya. it is remarkable that a president that has been so cautious on the international stage because he was so fearful of repeating the mistakes of george w. bush and dick cheney, have seemed to tear a page out of george w. bush's playbook by taking a "cosmic gamble" on a great unknown. and that is how this deal is going to impact the behavior of a country that has been the greatest sponsor of terrorism since 1979. just like george w. bush made a great bet in 2003 that he could bring peace to the middle east by starting a war and that ended

disastrously. here we are 12 years later with barack obama thinking he could bring iran into the community of nations by making a cosmic gamble on a peace deal. we'll see how it goes. >> let's take president obama. today after two years of negotiations, the united states together with our international partners has achieved something that decades of animosity has not. a comprehensive long-term deal with iran that will prevent it from obtaining a nuclear weapon. this deal demonstrates that american diplomacy can bring about real and meaningful change change that makes our country and the world safer and more secure. this deal is also in line with a tradition of american leadership. it's now more than 50 years since president kennedy stood before the american people and said let us never negotiate out of fear but let us never fear to negotiate.

he was speaking then about the need for discussions between the united states and the soviet union, which led to efforts to restrict the spread of nuclear weapons. in those days, the risk was a catastrophic nuclear war between two super powers. in our time, the risk is that nuclear weapons will spread to more and more countries, particularly in the middle east. the most volatile region in our world. today, because america negotiated from a position of strength and principle, we have stopped the spread of nuclear weapons in this region. because of this deal the international community will be able to verify that the islamic public of iran will not develop a nuclear weapon. this deal meets every single one of the bottom lines that we established when we achieved a framework earlier this spring. every pathway to a nuclear weapon is cut off. and the inspection and

transparency regime necessary to verify that objective will be put in place. because of this deal iran will not produce the highly enriched uranium and records grade plutonium that form the raw materials necessary for a nuclear bomb. because of this deal iran will remove 2/3 of its installed centrifuges, the machines necessary to produce highly enriched uranium for a bomb and store them under constant international supervision. iran will not use its advanced centrifuges to produce enriched uranium for the next decade. iran will get rid of 98% of its stockpile of enriched uranium. to put that in perspective, iran currently has a stockpile that can produce up to ten nuclear weapons. because ever this deal, that will be reduced to a fraction of what's required for a single weapon. this stockpile limitation will last for 15 years. because of this deal iran will

modify the core of its reactor in iraq so that it will not produce weapons-grade blue continue to yum and it has agreed to ship the spent fuel out of the kun trip for the lifetime of the reactor. for at least the next 15 years, iran will not build any new heavy water reactors. because of this deal we will for the first time be in a position to verify all of these commitments. that means this deal is not built on trust. it is built on verification. inspectors will have 24/7 access to iran's key nuclear facilities. iran will have access to iran's entire nuclear supply chain, its uranium mines and mills, its conversion facility and centrifuge manufacturing and storage facilities. this ensures that iran will not be able to divert materials from known facilities to covert ones. some of these transparency measures will be in place for 25

years. because of this deal inspectors will also be able to access any suspicious location. put simply the organization responsible for the inspections, the iaea will have access where necessary, when necessary. that arrangement is permanent. and the iaea has reached an agreement with iran to get access that it needs to complete its investigation into the possible military dimensions of iran's past nuclear research. finally, iran is permanently prohibited from pursuing a nuclear weapon under the nuclear nonproliferation treaty which provided the basis for the efforts to apply pressure on iran. as iran takes steps to implement this deal, it will receive relief from the sanctions that we put in place because of iran's nuclear program. both america's own sanctions and sanctions imposed by the united nations security council.

this relief will be phased in. iran must complete key nuclear steps before it begins to receive new sanctions relief. and over the course of the next decade iran must abide by the deal before additional sanctions are lifted. including five years for restrictions related to arms and eight years for restrictions related to ballistic missiles. all of this will be memorialized and endorsed in a new united nations security council resolution. and if iran violates the deal all these sanctions will snap back into place. so there's a very clear incentive for iran to follow through. and tlsh very real consequences for a violation. that's the deal. it has the fullbacking of the international community. congress will now have an opportunity to review the details. and my administration stands ready to provide extensive briefings on how this will move forward. as the american people and

congress review the deal, it will be important to consider the alternative. consider what happens in a world without this deal. without this deal there is no scenario where the world joins us in sanctioning iran until it completely dismantles its nuclear program. nothing we know about the iranian government suggests that it would simply ka pit late under that kind of pressure and the world would not support an effort to permanently sanction iran into submission. we put sanctions in place to get a diplomatic resolution. that is what we have done. without this deal there would be no agreed-upon limitations for the iranian nuclear program. iran could produce, operate and test more and more centrifuges. iran could fuel a reactor capable of producing plutonium for a bomb and we would not have any of the inspections that allow us to detect a covert nuclear weapons program. in other words no deal means no

lasting constraints on iran's nuclear program. such a scenario would make it more likely that other countries in the region would feel compelled to pursue their own nuclear programs threatening a nuclear arms race in the most volatile region of the world. it would also present the united states with fewer and less effective options to prevent iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon. i have been president and commander in chief for over six years now. time and again, i have faced decisions about whether or not to use military force. it's the greatest decision that any president has to make. many times in multiple countries i have decided to use force. i will never hesitate to do so when it is in our national security interest. i strongly believe that our national security interests now depends upon preventing iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon which means that without a

diplomatic resolution, either i or a future u.s. president would face a decision about whether or not to allow iran to obtain a nuclear weapon or whether to use our military to stop it. put simply, no deal means a greater chance of more war in the middle east. moreover we give nothing up by testing whether or not this problem can be solved peacefully. if in a worst case scenario iran violates the deal the same options that are available to me today will be available to any u.s. president in the future. and i have no doubt that 10 or 15 years from now, the person who holds this office will be in a far stronger position with iran further away from a weapon and with the inspections and transparency that allow us to monitor the iranian program. for this reason i believe it

would be irresponsible to walk away from this deal. but on such a tough issue, it is important that the american people and their representatives in congress get a full opportunity to review the deal. after all the details matter. we've had some of the finest nuclear scientists in the world working through those details. and we're dealing with a country, iran that has been a sworn adversary of the united states for over 35 years. so i welcome a robust debate in congress on this issue and i welcome scrutiny of the details of this agreement. but i will remind congress that you don't make deals like this with your friends. we negotiated arms corolla greemts with the soviet union when that nation was committed to our destruction and those agreements ultimately made us safer. i am confident that this deal will meet the national security interests of the united states and our allies. so i will veto any legislation

that prevents the successful implementation of this deal. we do not have to accept an inevitable spiral into conflict. we certainly shouldn't seek it. precisely because the stakes are so high this is not the time for politics or posturing. tough talk from washington does not solve problems. hard nosed diplomacy, leadership that has united the worlds of major powers offers a more effective way to verify that iran is not pursuing a nuclear weapon. now, that doesn't mean that this deal will resolve all of our differences with iran. we share the concerns expressed by many of our friends in the middle east, including israel and the gulf states. iran's support for terrorism and its use of proxies to destabilize the region. that's precisely why we're taking this step. an iran armed with a nuclear

weapon would be far more destabilizing and far more dangerous to our friends and to the world. meanwhile, we will maintain our own sanctions related to iran's support for terrorism, its ballistic missile program and its human rights violations. we will continue our unprecedented efforts to strengthen israel's security efforts that go beyond what any american administration has done before. and we will continue the work we began at camp david to elevate our partnership with the gulf states to strengthen their capabilities to counter threats from iran or terrorist groups like isil. however, i believe we must continue to test whether or not this region which is known so much suffering, so much bloodshed, can move in a different direction. time and again i have made clear to the iranian people that we will always be open to engagement on the basis of mutual interest and mutual respect. our differences are real.

and the difficult history between our nations cannot be ignored. but it is possible to change. the path of violence and rigid ideology, foreign policy based on threats to attack your neighbors or eradicate israel that's a dead end, a different path. one of tolerance and peaceful resolution of conflict. leads to more integration into the global economy, more engagement with the international community and the ability of the iranian people to prosper and thrive. this deal offers an opportunity to move in a new direction. we should seize it. we have come a long way to reach this point. decades of an iranian nuclear program, many years of sanctions and many months of intense negotiation. today i want to thank the members of congress from both parties who helped us to put in place the sanctions that have

proven so effective, as well as the other countries who joined us in that effort. i want to thank our negotiating partners, the united kingdom, france germany, russia china as well as the european union, for our unity in this effort which showed that the world can do a remarkable things when we share a vision of peacefully addressing conflicts. we showed what we can do when we do not split apart. finally, i want to thank the american negotiating team. we had a team of experts working for several weeks straight on this including our secretary of energy ernie moniz and i want to particularly thank john kerry, our secretary of state, who began his service to this country more than four decades ago when he put on our uniform and went off to war. he's now making this country safer through his commitment to strong principled american diplomacy. history shows that america must lead not just with our might but

with our principles. it shows we are stronger not when we are alone but when we bring the world together. today's announcement marks one more chapter in this pursuit of a safer and more helpful -- more hopeful world. thank you. god bless you and god bless the united states of america. you've been watching president obama with vice president biden by his side announcing to the nation and the world the historic deal cut with iran and actually at exactly the same moment prime minister rouhani has been doing the same thing before cameras in his country. the president making the case for in deal, making definitive statements about it. this is real and meaningful change he says. america negotiated from a position of strength. he said iran will not be able to develop a nuclear weapon. he also says that this deal meets every goal that they've

had set out for in the spring and that every pathway for a nuclear weapon will be cut off. also joe, the parameters he says for the next 15 years, iran will not be able to build any heavy reactors. inspectors will have 24/7 access to key nuclear facilities access to manufacturing sites and storage facilities and the iaea will get access to past nuclear research as well. he said very clearly and sharply that if iran violates any part of this deal, any small part of this deal that all the sanctions will snap back into place. he says it would be irresponsible to walk away from this deal and that we should seize the opportunity to move in a positive direction. joe? >> you know there was also a part of the speech where it got very specific. where 98% of the iranian stockpile of enriched uranium is going to be destroyed.

he said right now they have enough enriched uranium to build ten nuclear weapons and it's going to be reduced to 2% for 15 years. that would be the fraction of an amount used to build even one nuclear device. also a very fascinating part of this speech is when he talked about what the world would look like without this deal. that the united states would have to go it alone on the issue of sanctions, that there would be absolutely no limitations on iran's ability to build nuclear weapons, there would be no -- the like of which the international community will have. no lasting constraints on the development of that program and the president also said by entering into this deal we have nothing to lose. he also put it down to hard-nosed negotiations instead of just tough talk from

washington. and so we have an awful lot to digest not only here but also for members of congress and the country to digest and why don't we start this process by bringing in the most vocal opponent to the president's nuclear negotiations a freshman senator tom cotton from arkansas. senator, you obviously heard the president's speech. what's your initial reaction? >> joe this proposed deal is a terrible dangerous mistake that's going to pave the path for iran to get a nuclear weapon while giving them tens of billions of dollars of sanctions relief, even lifting the arms embargo at a time when they're destabilizing the entire middle east. the american people will repudiate this and i believe congress will kill the deal. >> what about -- it sounds from what the president said today that he was going to be able we were going to be able the international community would be

able to verify that iran was sticking to the deal with a very aggressive inspections regime, do you ee-- does this satisfy your concerns about inspections? >> of course not, joe. if you look at the text of the deal iran will have weeks to delay, be able to decide which sites to inspect. if they wanted to end the nuclear program and rejoin the civilized world they could grant us access. they don't. they are an outlaw terror responsible rg anti-american regime. they have the blood of hundreds of american soldiers on their hand who they killed in iraq and afghanistan and today we are giving sanctions relief to organizations like the revolutionary guard corps and men like the general who leads that corps who are responsible for killing american soldiers. >> okay. it ahead, mika. >> i'm wondering what does 24/7 access to nuclear facilities mean? >> after 24 days of negotiating

and iran complaining, after they've been able to scrub their site maybe we will get access. senior administration officials are saying on that ground any time anywhere inspections which is the standard this president set will not be met it was never realistic to begin with. >> it seems you're very quick to criticize the deal and it seems like you're reading a different deal with all due respect. >> it's easy to criticize the deal using the president's own words. when we started down this path he said the goal was to dismantle iran's nuclear program. this leaves them intact. if they violate the deal as they've done with every agreement in the past or they can get a nuclear weapon if they follow the deal in a mere 10 to 15 years. the president has admitted that. that's why this deal is so dangerous. >> so they're using the president's own words then. he said "this deal is built on verification and "the iaea would have access where necessary, when necessary and that access

is permanent." is the president of the united states lying to us? or has he been misled? >> i will say that the words when necessary, where necessary are very different from any time anywhere and it gives iran a say in how -- >> that's a semantic trick. how is it different? >> any time, anywhere means the inspectors and anyone from the international community can go anywhere they choose in iran. when necessary, where necessary reflects the actual text of the deal which gives iran a say in where the inspectors go. again, the more fundamental point is the nature of iran's regime. if they wanted to rejoin the civilized world, they would open up all their facilities. that's what south africa did when they wanted to eliminate their nuclear weapons program. they didn't have endless debates. >> tom cotton, i want to thank you, senator, for being with us. obviously, this conversation is going to continue but we really appreciate you coming on.

we have secretary of state john kerry speaking there and we need to take that. but thank you so much for being with us. we'll talk to you very soon. let's go, mika right now to secretary of state kerry. >> we'll bring insight and accountability to a roon's nuclear program not for a small number of years but for the lifetime of that program. this is the good deal that we have sought. believe me had we been willing to settle for a lesser deal we would have finished this negotiation a long time ago. but we were not. all of us not just the united states but france, the united kingdom, germany, russia china and the eu were determined to get this right. so we have been patient and i believe our persistence has paid off. a few months ago in mow zahn we

and our international partners joined iran in announcing a series of parameters to serve as the contours of a potential deal. experts and commentators were in fact surprised by all that we had achieved at that point. after three more months of long days and late nights, i'm pleased to tell you that we have stayed true to those contours and we have now finally carved in the details. i want to be very clear. the parameters that we announced in low zahn not only remain intact, and form the backbone of the agreement that we reached today, but through detail they have been amplified in ways that make this agreement even stronger. that includes the sizable reduction of iran's stockpile of enriched uranium and the number of centrifuges that it operates.

it also guarantees that iran's breakout time the time it would take for iran to speed up its enrichment and produce enough thistle material for just one nuclear weapon that time will increase to at least one year for a period of at least ten years. and contrary to the assertions of some this agreement has no sunset. it doesn't terminate. it will be implemented in phases beginning within 90 days of the u.n. security council endorsing the deal and some of the provisions are in place for 10 years, others for 15 years, others for 25 years. and certain provisions, including many of the transparency measures and prohibitions on nuclear work will stay in place permanently.

but most importantly, this agreement addresses iran's potential pathways to thistle material for a bomb exactly as we said it would. with appropriate limitations and transparency in order to assure the world of the peaceful nature of iran's nuclear program. now, let me explain exactly how it will accomplish that goal. to start, the participants have agreed iran will not produce or acquire either highly enriched uranium or weapons-grade plutonium for at least the next 15 years and iran declares a longer period of intent. iran's total stockpile of enriched uranium which today is equivalent to almost 12,000 kilograms of uf 6, will be capped at just 300 kilograms for

the next 15 years. an essential component much expanding our breakout time. 2/3 of iran's centrifuges will be removed from the facilities along with the infrastructure that supports them. once they're removed, the centrifuges will be -- and the infrastructure, by the way, will be locked away and under around the clock monitoring by the international atomic energy agency. uranium enrichment will be scaled down significantly for the next 15 years, no uranium will be enriched beyond 3.67%. to put that in context, this is a level that is appropriate for civilian nuclear power and research but well below anything that can be used possibly for a weapon. for the next ten years iran has

agreed to only use its first-generation centrifuges in order to enrich uranium. iran has further agroo agreed to disconnect the -- part of a constrained and closely monitored r&d program and none will be used to produce enriched uranium. iran has also agreed to stop enriching uranium at the facility for the next 15 years. it will not even use or store thistle material on the site during that time. instead, it will be transformed into a nuclear physics and technology research center. it will be used for example to produce isotopes for cancer treatment and it will be subject to daily inspection. and it will have other nations working in unison with the

iranians within that technology center. so when this deal is implemented, the two uranium paths iran has towards thistle material for a weapon will be closed off. the same is true for the plutonium path. we have agreed ian ran's heavy water -- >> based on a final design that the united states and international partners will approve so that it will only be used for peaceful purposes and iran will not build a new heavy water reactor or reprocess fuel from its existing reactors for at least 15 years. but this agreement is not only about what happens to iran's declared facilities. the deal we have reached also gives us the greatest assurance that we have had that iran will not pursue a weapon covertly. not only will inspectors be able

to access iran's declared facilities daily, but they will also have access to the entire supply chain that supports iran's nuclear program from start to finish from uranium mines to centrifuge manufacturing and operation. so what this means is in fact that to be able to have a covert path, iran would actually need far more than one covert facility. it would need an entire covert supply chain in order to feed into that site and to ensure that that does not happen without our knowledge under this deal inspectors will be able to gain access to any location the iaea -- >> secretary of state john kerry summing up some very tough outlines guidelines for the

development of iran's nuclear weapon. certainly, that's a message both he and president obama are trying to put forward this morning. what were your thoughts about what the secretary said? >> he was very specific about exactly how this is going to work. a very stark contrast to critics that we brought on the show from capitol hill senator tom cotton to be specific who says it's a terrible deal and iran will absolutely be able to get a nuclear weapon. it was a very different description from the architect of the deal the secretary of state. it was kind of an interesting contrast to go from the president to tom cotton to john kerry the secretary of state who put the deal together. let's go to -- >> i think mika we're going to be hearing that debate. what we just heard we'll be hearing that probably over the next 60 days. >> exactly. >> there's going to be a lot of back and forth. what we're going to be seeing because we've seen it already, there's going to be this shakedown period where our leaders are going to say -- the

iranian leaders will come out and say it's a great deal for them and talk about how the united states ka pitcap it lated. regardless of how that shakes out, mika i'm curious what mike barnicle thinks. he's known john kerry for a very long time and has stayed in close contact with the secretary of state through this entire process. mike obviously, this morning a very big morning for the secretary of state. and something that he has been working for, for a very long time. >> a very long time joe. this is a job that other nan the presidency he has always sought. he has it. he has worked tirelessly both here in this country and arn the region in the middle east. certainly, in these talks for many many days and hours. i'm sure what's going through his mind this morning is off of

what mika just indicated and senator cotton was on here articulating his position, which i assume is going to be the position of most of the republicans in the senate and i think senator kerry almost certainly is wondering how can you jump into the opposition so firmly, so strongly right now when you don't even know yet the details of this deal which he will explain as he's explaining now and it will be explained to us and the rest of the country in the ensuing two months. it will be a real education al process that the president and the republicans and the democrats in the senate engage in. it will be enlightening. >> tom cotton wasn't given an opportunity to be specific as he's able to be. he's very knowledgeable about this and people that are knowledgeable understand that we do not get unfettered inspections on military sites. it doesn't take an education process. you were talking about skeptical democrats. for the president to come out this morning and say it was this deal or war is political.

he has skeptics in his own party. it's completely disrespectful to not take the time to explain to people before you call out your skeptics. >> once more using the president's exact language. he didn't say it's war. what he said is no deal -- >> no deal means a greater chance of more war in the middle east. that's a factual statement. >> the rannians are engaged in four hot wars in middle east and we gave them access to nuclear programs. >> and a bad deal dramatically increases the chance of a war in the middle east. that's why it's so important, i think, to understand the details of it. this is not the first time we've heard the president of the united states when speaking about this region of the worldcom out with strong emphatic statements that are delusional and completely detached from reality, whether it be concerning iraq or iran or isis. so the details of this agreement are fundamental. >>let go to capitol hill and get some assessment of this from a professor of diplomacy and

international relations at the harvard kennedy school of government who led the bush administration's effort toward dealing with iran. former ambassador, nick burns. nick is this a terrible deal? >> i think it's a complicated deal. it's a difficult series of trade-offs. i can clearly see the benefit and by the way, i think it's sensible to go forward with it. we can freeze the nuclear program for 10 to 15 years. but there's compromises here. the managed access to iranian nuclear facilities is going to be a problem, i think. can we reimpose sanctions easily against the iranians should they transgress and i think they'll try to cheat. this is the real world. i think president obama has made a difficult decision here. i happen to think it's the right decision because i do think if the iranian's cheat, if the deal falls apart, we're always the stronger party. we could use and threaten military force in extreme is if we had to.

i think a lot of the critics. it would be good if they read the 80 pages before denouncing it first. they have to look at the alternatives. if we walked away -- this is the attack on president obama, we would have lost the sanctions regime. the international sanctions have frayed. the unity on our side would have dissipated and iran would be unfettered, be able to rebuild a nuclear program. on balance, this is a sensible approach. but it does have difficulties. mika, the last thing i'd say, big moment for the obama presidency. this is a foreign policy issue that always captivated the president. i think for second kerry as well. their reputations and the success or failure of their foreign policy in many ways will be defined by this issue. >> i am very excited to go to jamie because when we had the four box he was actually covering his eyes in absolute disgust and horror. but before we do that we'd like to be -- jamie, that was very

good. i've got to say mr. ambassador for our viewers that don't know that, you actually under secretary of state under condi rice, you were responsible for looking into the possibility of looking into negotiations in 2010 and you commented before about how there was nowhere to go. it's been a pretty extraordinary decade of movement hasn't it? >> it has. you know people forget that the bush administration offered to negotiate with iran in 2006 and 2007. the iranians turned us down. that's when we turned to sanctions. we passed three security council sanctions, resolutions against the iranians. but we had the support of the europeans, the russians and the chinese. that's what's so important here for president obama. he has the world with him. he's been able to effectively intimidate the iranians through these tough sanctions and i think for the critics, they have to answer the question, okay what's the alternative to this

deal? would walking away be better? would using military force right now be better? i happen to think it wouldn't be. so i see the difficult compromises, i'm worried about the inspections regime. this is far from perfect. but you have to live in the real world and the real world to me says follow in deal try to implement it. be very tough nosed in confronting the iranians when inevidently they try to cheat. jamie, you know this very well from your work at the state department. any time you undertake a deal this significant, you take the same risks that reagan took in the late '80s with the soviet union and those arms deals as well. what are the risks inherent in this deal and how do you weigh them against the possible rewards? >> i think you're right to bring up the agreements and the start agreements and arms control with the soviet union. i think there really is an

important analogy here. that is that all the critics, senator cotton and all the critics likely to come out in the republican party and the congress are correctly in their view, regarding iran as the adversary, the enemy, just the way we regarded the soviet union as the adversary and the enemy. what arms control did back in the reagan and nixon era was to manage the arms competition, to reduce the risk of nuclear war and reduce the risk of the growth of soviet arsenals. this is exactly what we're doing now. it's not about changing the iranian regime. it's not about getting them to be the good guys. it's about getting access to their programs. we wouldn't otherwise have. and to limiting the size of those programs. where i think the administration has made a mistake is some white house officials keep talking about the president as some kind

of nixon goes to china moment is opening the relationship with iran and developing a new strategy for the middle east of realignment where iran and the sunni leaders are going to be controlled by the united states and we'll have some kissingerian strategies. that is nonsense. we don't know whether iran will change its foreign policy just the way the soviet union didn't change its foreign policy. we need to focus on the technical aspects. if senator cotton read the agreement. i have it in front of me. it's 80 pages. i've been reading it as we're talking. i used to do arms control for a living. this is a technical subject that involves an arms corolla agreement. it's not a world shattering agreement and the president was wrong to say it prevents iran from going nuclear. they can do that if they violate the agreement. they've been able to do that for years. it's an arms control agreement.

it makes it harder for iran to go nuclear. easier to verify if they try and gives them incentives not to do so. that's the limited nature of this agreement and it should be sold as such. >> as we talk this morning about reagan and comparing this to some of the deals that reagan made in the late '80s, the salt agreements, it bears repeating this morning that ronald reagan was eviscerated by conservatives as being weak-kneed and weak-minded whether it was human events or other conservative journals for actually trusting the verifying on the soviets. >> jamie, thank you for being with us. mika, i'm wondering why he was covering his eyes and shaking his head. we'll find out next time. >> strong opinions. >> ambassador nick burns, thank you as well for being on this morning. >> thank you so much. this is just going to be a fascinating debate, mika, for the next several months.

>> oh, it will. actually, what we've seen so far on show this morning has been an incredible microcosm of what's ahead. it doesn't end there. still ahead on "morning joe," much more reaction to the historic deal with iran. senator lindsey graham is in the house waiting, standing by. joe mentioned, he will be among our guests as well. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. hey america, still not sure whether to stay or go to your people? ♪ well this summer, stay with choice hotels twice and get a $50 gift card you can use

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i strongly believe that our national security interests now depends upon preventing iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon which means that without a diplomatic resolution either i or a future u.s. president would face a decision about whether or not to allow iran to obtain a nuclear weapon or whether to use our military to stop it. put simply no deal means a greater chance of more war in

the middle east. president obama in the past 30 minutes making an announcement to the nation and the world about an historic deal with iran and joining us from capitol hill member of the armed services committee, democratic senator joe man chan of west virginia. the president said it would be irresponsible to aqua way from this deal. >> it would be a catastrophe to walk away. let's look back at history. in 2003 we walked away from a deal at that time or negotiations. they had less than 200 centrifuges at that time. by walking away and doing nothing, they're up to over 19,000. also we have the rest of the world along with us this time and it's up to iran to prove that they can be trusted or not. if they want to be part of the 21st century and developing world, then they have a chance to do that. if not, they'll show their true colors. i think for anybody to say that

we're opposed to it, we haven't seen the whole outline of this deal yet. i think secretary ma niece, secretary of energy one of the foremost nuclear scientists and he's been forthcoming and direct and we'll have other talks with him. he'll be able to brief us and we'll have more of this unveiled to us. i'm ankxious to hear those meetings. senator, iran is in the middle and the most powerful player in a region of the world and is caught up in conflict and inflamed in war right now as we speak. we've already heard from prime minister netanyahu israel's idea about the deal calling it a terrible, terrible thing. what do you think saudi arabia will come down on this? what will their reaction be to this deal? >> i can't say what saudi arabia will say. it's a very unstable region. they're concerned and they all want to eliminate terrorism, this barbaric terrorism going on

in their region their backyard. what they have now is not attainable. it's nothing they can accept. they have to change. having iran with less of a nuclear capability being able to oversee iran with the iaea those people are able to say they're in this path as far as going to obtain a nuclear weapon or not obtain one. we have to continue to negotiate and work and talk. i would rather do that than walk away as we did in 2003. lord knows where they will be in another year or two. if necessity want to be part of this developing world, a safer world, better arab world, if you will, they have to participate and be responsible. and they're going to have that opportunity. i'm anxious to see the rest of the details of this. for people to say, oh, i'm against it it's a bad deal how do you know? how do you know it's a bad deal? we haven't seen the outline. we knew the outline before but we don't know exactly where we

are right now. let's give them a chance to bring it fort and go from there. >> let me have you listen in. lindsey, have you seen the deal? >> no. >> senator joe manchin and presidential candidate senator lindsey graham of south carolina joins us. you haven't lindsey graham of south carolina joins us. you haven't seen the full deal. what you have heard from the president and your sources and the staff, if you had to find a positive part of the deal what would it be? >> can i get back with you about that? >> wow. >> all i can tell you is that the goal was to dismantle their program. we have insured they've become a nuclear nation. we've insured there will be a nuclear arms program. you have put every sunni arab in a terrible spot. you're taking their chief antagonist giving them more money to build up their weapons program. with the passage of time this

industrial strength program we have locked in place will become a nuclear program. from an israeli point of view you have taken their biggest threat on the planet who constantly chants "death to israel" and you have created a possible death sentence for israel. as to us you have taken our chief antagonist people who have killed hundreds of americans in iraq toppled pro-american governments throughout the region including yemen, given them the kabltcapability to become a nuclear nation. this is the most dangerous, irresponsible step i have ever seen in the history of watching the mideast. barack obama john kerry, have been dangerously naive about the mideast in general. they have taken it to a new level, and any senator who votes for this is voting for a nuclear arms race in the mideast, and is voting to give the largest state sponsor of terrorism $18

billion, and what do you think they'll do with the money? it's going to go to assad, to hezbollah and hamas. >> i'm just -- the description that you're putting out there, it just seems like the only option you would have would be to go to war. >> no. >> what do you think the other options are at this point? what would have been okay with you? >> lock their enrichment program into change of behavior saying one day all inspections would be tied to behavior changes. i wouldn't give you a penny until you change your behavior. i would never relieve inspections until there was a certification that iran is no longing longer the state sponsor of terrorism. >> this was siloed and we didn't even discuss assad's participation. >> the arms embargo, who thinks it's a good idea given iranians toppling of the mideast, to give

them lifting of the arms embargo that was never part of the deal. i would have never done that until they changed their behavior. i want a diplomatic end, but i want iran to change before they get more money and lock in a nuclear program. >> joe. >> so lindsey, what about nixon going to china while mau say tongue was the greatest murderer not only in his country's history but in the 20th century. he made hitler actually seem modest by comparison. what about ronald reagan seeking nuclear deals with the evil empire? in the past arms deals have not been tied to good behavior. it's been tied to inspection regimens and also mutually shared improvement and security. >> all i can tell you, joe, you better listen to what people in

the region are saying about iranians. what you're doing, joe, in my view, this is a virtual declaration of war against sunni arab arabs. you're making every sunni arab nation recalculate. you have locked in an industrial sized nuclear program on behalf of the iranians. >> but lindsey, what's the alternative, though? let me get on the list and tell me where the president is wrong here. the president said without this deal we're going it alone on sanctions. the sanctions were going to be lifted. without this deal there would be absolutely no limits on iran's development of nuclear program. they were going to develop it more aggressively if we walked away from the table. the president said without this deal, there would be absolutely no inspections. we may not think the inspections regimen is tough enough but without the deal there's no inspections. without this deal no lasting constraints on a nuke program that the president says is now

going to destroy 98% of their stockpile of enriched youruranium. how do you respond to those pounds from the president that we're safering with a deal than without a deal. >> with this deal you insured after every sunni arab nation who can get a nuclear weapon will because now they must. the goal president obama set out i shared to dismantle the program, to give them a nuclear capability consistent with a peaceful power program. to require them to change their behavior before you gave them weapons or a nuclear capability. the goal has not been achieved. with this deal you've insured that the arabs will go nuclear. you have put israel in the worst possible box. this will be a death sentence over time for israel if they don't push back. you put our nation at risk. every goal the president expressed two years ago has an absolutely not been met, and you put the arms embargo on the table at a time when they're destroying the mideast with

their conventional weapons program. you may think this is a good deal. this is a terrible deal. it's going to make everything worse, and i really fear that we have set in motion a decade of chaos. >> first of all, i just have to say, i don't think it is a good deal. i don't know the outlines of the deal yet. i want to read the deal. >> me too. >> i was telling you, though what the president of the united states said. let's read the deal and like you, i'll be back with you in a couple weeks to let you know what i think of the deal. let's go though right now to mike barnicle. mike has a question for you. >> senator, i certainly understand your position. you're pretty clear on it. i don't understand as joe alluded to you can be so certain without having read the deal yet. >> because i have been to the mideast enough to know. if you have been there once you know this is a disaster. the one thing you couldn't do mike, is lock in a nuclear

program that is mature over time without behavior change because that's going to push every arab to get a weapon. >> that leads to my question. you have been to the middle east several times. secretary of state kerry has been to the middle east far more than you have. secretary of state kerry is saguy who in a prior life was shot at during a war, so he understands danger. he recognizes war. he recognizes lethality of war. do you really think he's that naive that he does -- >> yeah, i do. i really think john kerry and barack obama are incredibly naive. when they drew a line against assad and did nothing about it they set in motion holy hell in the mideast. i think john kerry is a good man, but at the end of the day, they want a deal so bad they cannot stand it. when you go to the mideast and ask a sunni arab leader what do you think about a nuclear program in the hands of iranians that by the mere passage of time, will grow. i don't like it.

john kerry doesn't listen very well. what do you think israel has told john kerry? please don't give iran a nuclear capability. don't give them more money until they change their behavior. he's not listening to the region. the arabs and israelis are telling him something he doesn't want to hear. >> this now moves to the senate the process, 60 days review period. you obviously are opposed to the deal. how will this campaign be waged in the senate and how do you see the vote occurring in the u.s. senate in 60 days or 70 days. >> the following caveat if all this becomes true there is no requirement for them to change their behavior regarding the nuclear program, just with the mere passage of time they can expand it i would argue to my colleagues you're insuring a nuclear arms race. i would aurlgrgue if you give them cash knlt soon they're going to put it in the war machine, which puts us at risk. our friends in israel cannot

live with this. don't put israel in this box. tell the president to go back and try to get a better deal. tell them there's a better deal to be had. hillary clinton, if you think this is a good deal you're dangerously naive. i think she could negotiate a better deal i think everybodyong our side could except for rand paul. if you close this deal out, if this bekmcomes a binding deal, you can insure a nuclear arms ray. you have taken the largest state sponsor of terror on the planet and given them money to increase their terrorist activities. >> does it pass vote? >> who are you watching? >> chuck schumer is supposed to be the guardian of israel. if you care about israel, you will not put her in this box. if you care about the united states, you will not allow our chief antagonist to become a nuclear threshold nation guaranteed in nature with no restrictions to go beyond that.

if you care about americans you will not give this regime one penny. >> i want to ask you about politics. you mentioned rand paul. let me mention donald trump. you have called him a wrecking ball. in the latest monmouth poll he's second behind jeb bush. a wrecking ball can demolish the enemy. do the establishment candidates underestimate him? >> he's at 13%. you can say outrageous things on the left and right and some people follow behind you. i'm confident in this. my party in 2015 does not believe the vast majority of illegal immigrants are drug dealers and rapists. i know we don't. as to donald trump, he would be a terrible commander in chief. the way he is conducting himself is contrary to the values i hold as a republican and i think most of us accept as a nation. you're wanting to lead a great nation. you're running to be the most powerful voice in the entire world, and when you use that

voice, to demean and slander a whole group of people who are hard working, decent with some criminals in the middle of them not only have you hurt my party, you have i think, hurt our nation. and i will not be part of this. i am confident the republican party will rerect it. as to this debate structure, my party is about to exclude, i think my voice needs to be heard on foreign policy. it's july 2015. i don't expect my numbers to be any better than they are, but i expect to be given a chance to take donald trump on to talk about why i'm different than rand paul. to challenge everybody on the stage and have them challenge me. so this debate construct i think is bad for our party. we're trying to pick a nominee that can win at a time when history demands that you know what the hell you're doing as commander in chief. hillary clinton will be tough. she is smart. and the process we're embarking on as republicans, i think, is ill conceived.

if cawley fiorina is not on the stage, if we deny the government of ohio state we must win not to be on the stage, we're not allowing him to be on the stage because of a tv problem, we're really dumb as a party. >> so it is the top of the hour. we're getting choice words from senator and republican presidential candidate lindsey graham. the conversation continues. joe, jump in. >> well mika i wanted to go back to joe manchin to get his response before he runs off to work from all the things he's said. we're at the top of the hour senator. obviously, for those just joining, a historic deal agreed to overnight between the leaders of iran the united states and four other countries. lindsey graham has been very critical of this deal. i want to get a quick response from you. what's your reaction and how do you think democrats are going to respond. >> well first of all, lindsey

is a good friend of mine. lindsey believes it to his core what he said, as he has always been true to where he believes. i know where lindsey is coming from. the bottom line is our past experience for 13 years has shown the more troops we have in the area over 100,000 troops there, we have taken sides. the sunnis didn't fight because they thought we supported shiite government. they turned their weapons over to isil. bottom line putting more troops in that area is not going to solve the problem. you've got to try to negotiate. we have an opportunity, we have to get that done. i think we ought to seize this opportunity. let's look at the deal in the entirety and find out what you don't liend. you're going to have a chance to vote on this. i would like to have a chance but i want to know more about it. right now, i'm looking for a pathway to more peace. there's not a democrat or republican who does thought want israel to be safe and secure and have their state. we're going to defend that to our dying breath but the bought 78 m line is we can't say it's safer for them to continue to

spend and enrich uranium. if we can stop them reduce that by bringing them into the civilized world, we should try. i'm open to looking. >> senator joe manchin from west virginia, thank you so much. we greatly appreciate it. lindsey graham we really appreciate you coming off the campaign trail to talk to us on this very historic morning. and mika a historic morning it is. sum up for us and those waking up on the west coast what happened while they were sleeping overnight that's not only going to change our relationship with iran but also going to change the middle east as we know it and as we have known it since the fall of 1979. >> well they struck a deal. two longtime adversaries, the united states and iran have come to an agreement to curb the iranian nuclear program. we are hearing from top officials all over the world, but first, the details on what

is being agreed to. iran will receive hundreds of millions in sanctions relief in exchange for uprooting its nuclear program. this includes cutting off the pathways to a weapon around the clock access for inspectors and the ability to snap sanctions back in place if iran is discovered to be violating the terms of the agreement. president obama spoke about these terms in the last hour. >> today, because america negotiated from a position of strength and principle, we have stopped the spread of nuclear weapons in this region. because of this deal the international community will be able to verify that the islamic republic of iran will not develop a nuclear weapon. this deal meets every single one of the bottom lines we established when we achieved a framework earlier this spring. every pathway to a nuclear weapon is cut off. and the inspection and

transparency regime necessary to verify that objective will be put in place. >> earlier this morning, iranian president hassan ruani tweeted this picture showing them signing the road map plan in vienna. president obama addressed what to expect from the iaea. >> the iaea will have access where necessary when necessary. that arrangement is permanent. and the iaea has also reached an agreement with iran to get access it needs to completes in investigation into the possible military dimensions into iran's past nuclear research. finally, it's prohibited from pursuing a nuclear weapon under the nuclear nonproliferation treaty, which provided the basis for the international community's efforts to apply pressure on iran.

>> and finally, the president told congress he will not let them stand in the way of this deal, putting it into historic terms of what diplomacy can accomplish. >> i welcome a robust debate and scrutiny of the details of the agreement, but i will remind congress you don't make deals like this with your friends. we negotiated arms deals with the soviet union when they were committed to our destructions and those agreements ultimately made us safer. i am confident that this deal will meet the national security interests of the united states and our allies. so i will veto any legislation that prevents the successful implementation of this deal. we do not have to accept an inevitable spiral into conflict. >> with us on set, we have former communications director for former president george w.

bux, nicole wallace, mike barnicle harold ford jr., political writer for the "new york times," nickolas composorry and david ignatius, and senior foreign affairs correspondent for politico michael crowley. a packed desk but what an historic moment. >> it is an historic moment whether you support this deal or oppose this deal. whether you have read this deal or have not read this deal. this is as david ignatius said a cosmic gamble and we'll see in the coming weeks whether congress is willing to take that gamble or not. david ignatius two hours you've been with us for two hours now. and i know you've been reading up on this deal. what strikes you about the terms that president obama and john kerry have hammered out at first

blush? >> well joe, two points strike me. first, just in listening to the debate that you've been carrying on your show it's striking that both president obama and secretary of state kerry are talking in very specific terms about new limitations, percentages of fuel that will be withdrawn or dismantled timelines for inspection. and the counterarguments particularly from senator lindsey graham are more rhetorical, they're saying sunni arabs don't like this israel opposes this but they're broad and general arguments. i think that tells us over the next two months of debate the administration is going to have a lot of details and facts from this agreement to put in the face of its critics and say, isn't this really preferable to the alternative? second point i would make running into this last phase of negotiations, the iranian supreme leader made a series of

new demands. iaea inspectors will not be allowed to come to iran. no military bases will be accessible to inspectors. and it appears that the iranians stepped back from the supreme leader's extreme demands to make this deal. and to keep what we'll call the luzon parameters. in the makaanics of negotiation, that's probably the most important thing that secretary kerry told us this morning. >> michael crowley, i have not been a supporter of this deal. i have not been a supporter of the approach because i have been concerned about a lack of specifics. certainly, through the first few deadlines. david ignatius touches on i think, a critical point. this morning, john kerry and barack obama have come out with a series of specific guidelines for inspections, for weapons

development, for destruction of certain parts of that program. if they come forward with more specifics over the next several weeks, it certainly is going to make democrats and republicans who want to instinctively oppose this deal have a much harder time in winning the debate with the american people. >> yeah joe, you know it's the phrase blinded by science. they're going to throw every particular, every detail every technical specific they can at you. this is one reason why the energy secretary, the colorful ernie mothese has played such an important role. they feel that he lends this justifiable veneer of expertise and scientific credibility to their arguments. you know joe, what it adds up to, because i think people will find that some of the particular details a little mind-numb, what are they going to do at the core

of the plutonium reactor they have to remove and replace. it makes me think of how officials talk about counterterrorism strategy. there will be layer upon layer to try to prevent iran from acquiring a bomb. no individual layer will be foolproof. they could cheat at any step of the process. but to cheat in a way that threads through the swiss cheese holes all the way to the final destination of a bomb is going to be extremely difficult. what they're doinggoing to do is walk you through all these different precautions, safeguards prohibitions they say add up to this stack of layers that would be almost impossible for iran to get all the way through. and that's their technical scientific argument. >> all right, michael, stand by. joining us from the white house, senior white house correspondent chris jansing. what does the white house expect to be doing in the next 60 days beyond the president lobbying congress? >> the sales job obviously has started. he started to make phone calls last night. i think your conversation so far

has been spot on. we're going to do a call about 15 20 minutes from now where the white house officials are going to outline the technical details of this. the reporters in vienna have already hurteard that. they believe in members of congress, if the american people, if our allies. sunni arab leaders, will sit down and listen to the details of this that they can make the case for why this is safer. so there's a scientific part of this and you're absolutely right that ernie is going to play a huge role in that. on the political side besides the phone calls and outreach the white house is going to do and you know they haven't always been tremendously successful at that what some white house officials will say to you is we think congress and they see it as a hostile congress has already thrown at us sort of the biggest weapon they have benjamin netanyahu came and stood on the floor of congress and he made his case to obviously the people who are going to be voting on this some

time probably in mid-september, looking at the timeline, and we have gotten to where we've gotten in spite of that. so they know it's a long fight. they know it's a tough fight. but they like their odds right now. whether or not there will be some member of congress who surprises them obviously, a democrat has yet to be seen but they have been planning for this for a while. nothing certainly that they have heard so far has surprised them mika. >> nbc's chris jansing live at the white house. thank you very much. concerns this deal will spark a nuclear arms race across the middle east. we're going to go live to tehran on that straight ahead on "morning joe." can a business have a mind? a subconscious. a knack for predicting the future. reflexes faster than the speed of thought. can a business have a spirit? can a business have a soul?

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