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sentinel." >> wisconsin state representative peter barker good to have you with us. when i was on vacation i saw my first political bumper sticker in the state of minnesota. why go half crazy? and that's "the ed show." "politics nation" with reverend al sharpton starts right now. tonight on "politics nation a passionate president obama making the case to change our criminal justice system to make it more fair and is gaining support from both sides. also tonight a historic deal on iran's nuclear program and surprise-surprise. republicans come out attacking. jeb bush hits the campaign trail today. look out. donald trump is also getting
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attention today, a brand-new poll has him at number one. thanks to you for tuning in. just minutes ago president obama finished what was perhaps the most comprehensive call for criminal justice reform since he came to office. it was a passionate speech making the moral case for change and for everyone getting equal justice under the law. >> we have to have the same standards for those children as we have for our own children. if you are a parent you know there are times boys and girls are going to act out in school. and the question is are we letting principals and parents deal with one set of kids and we call the police on another set of kids? that's not the right thing to
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do. we have to deal with our juvenile justice system remembers our kids are different. don't just tag them as future criminals. reach out to them as future citizens. >> the new push comes just a day after the president granted clemency to 46 presidents serving time for nonviolent drug offenses. specific calls for change in communities, courtrooms and prisons. and he said we need to think about the issue in broader terms as well. >> the marchers on washington knew. what the marchers in selma knew.
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what folks like julian barr knew. justice is not only the absence of oppression, it is the presence of opportunity. justice is giving every child a shot at a great education no matter what zip code they're born into. no matter what their name is what their skin color is, where they live. 50 years after the voting rights act, justice is protecting that right for every american. justice is living up to the common creed that says i am my brother's keeper and my sister's keeper. justice is making sure every young person knows they are special and they are important and that their lives matter not because they heard it in a hash tag, but because of the love they feel every single day.
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not just love from their neighborhood but love from police, love from politicians. love from somebody who lives on the other side of the country but says that young person is still important to me. >> it's a huge issue. even conservatives now want to fix the problem. in the decades of the so-called war on drugs, the prison population has exploded. you can see what happened starting in the 1980s and has had a terrible human and financial cost for the country. today we're closer to real reform than we've been in decades. joining me is congressman bobby scott, democrat from virginia who is pushing a major criminal reform bill through congress and harvard law professor charles
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ogletree. thank you both for being here. >> it's good to be here reverend al. >> our pleasure. >> what's your reaction to the president's call for action today? >> well i think he pointed out the comprehensive nature of the problem. you have to start with education and make sure that you deal with the achievement gap. we're dealing with elementary and secondary education act now and the senate will have an amendment to do something about the achievement gap. we also have a discipline gap that's been discovered and documented. once you have to do prevention and early intervention to make sure the children get on the right track and keep on the right track, policing sentencing reform. you have to get the mandatory minimums applied to nonviolent, low level. when they get to prison you have to rehabilitate them not just warehouse. even on parole you have to make sure that you have appropriate supervision and not just send people back and forth to prison. you need a total criminal justice reform bill and that's
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exactly what the safe justice act is. it goes through the entire system making sure that we have criminal justice reform making sure we have an evidence-based approach. one of the things we do in the bill is get away from slogans and soundbites and once you do that, all you have are a bunch of initiatives that will reduce crime and save money. we've had many states that have reduced their crime rate and their -- and save money in the process, and that's what we need to be doing. >> and save money. i remember you had broke that down for us. i was in washington last week at the policy conference. i want to come back to the saving money and how conservative involved in the congress and the senate. but let me ask you, dr. ogletree, the president said that quote, justice is not only the absence of oppression but the presence of opportunity. what's your take on that part of the speech?
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>> he's just right. let me just say this. i very much support the congressman bobby scott from virginia, all the work that he's done, and he has been there. i've seen the proposals he's talked about, and you know me -- me and you, reverend sharpton and the late mayor ed koch talked about the second chance. >> yeah we actually went around touring on that together. >> absolutely. >> and ed koch and i never got along until then. >> right, right. i think he arrested you a few times. >> a few. >> you turned out to be a voice for right and justice and i think that makes a big difference. >> he arrested me for nonviolent protest, but we challenged state laws on exactly this under your direction, professor, that's correct. >> that's exactly right. i have to say this too. one of the things we've been doing for race and justice at harvard, we've been talking about how important it is to deal with mass incarceration to
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deal with the fact too many people are in jail and we like this idea the president is thinking about people need to be treated and helped and given a second chance like we talked about decades ago. and i think that's what is going to be very important. i'm very happy that you are on that bandwagon. i'm glad the congress is on the bandwagon and you have a bipartisan attitude about reducing the penalties for drugs. as you heard ronald reagan's wife said you know just leave drugs alone. that's not the issue. that's not the solution. i think we're going in the right direction. >> congressman, let me get right back into that about the republicans and some on the right. you were at a hearing of criminal justice reform and a lot of republicans talked about let me play this to you. >> worried that the criminal justice system today is not the system that i think we should aspire to. >> billions of dollars
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incarcerating individuals while doing little or nothing to address the underlying cause or to better prepare them for their eventual release into civil society. >> an innocent mistake is not supposed to be criminal but a zealous prosecutor can make even the most innocent mistake look criminal. >> mass incarceration tears families apart and deprives children of their fathers and mothers. >> congressman, are you surprised that so many on the right are now joining this cause? >> well, not really. like i said if you can get away from the slogans and soundbites you're faced with initiatives that reduce crime and save money. it's easy to get a bipartisan coalition around things that fight crime and save money. that's what we've been trying to do. we have significant support from the right and the left on this bill. many organizations that have traditionally been considered very conservative and some very liberal all supporting the bill because it reduces crime and
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saves money. we have 15 republican co--sponsors of the bill. and we're adding them even steven on the way up. we're getting support every day. many members are looking at the bill so i expect more support coming up. the idea from some are more interested in saving money. others are more interested in a fairer criminal justice system. we can all agree mandatory minimums for low level offenses make no sense because you lock up people spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on these sentences and the people are worse off in the end than they were in the beginning. we can do better and the safe justice act does exactly what needs to be done. >> professor egogletree, we've heard presidents for decades talk about the need to get tough on crime. going all the way back really to president nixon, listen to this. >> if there is one area the word war is appropriate, it is in the
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fight against crime. >> we've convicted over 7,400 drug offenders and put them as well as leaders of organized crime behind bars in record numbers. we must do more. >> i need to get tough on the drug criminals. >> when this bill is law, three strikes, you're out will be the law of the land. >> the tone started to change a little under president george w. bush, but what we're seeing for president obama is transformative, professor ogletree. >> that's exactly right. you have this republican group called right on crime, they're saying the same thing. it's costing too much. the jails are too full. we're spending billions of dollars on incarceration as opposed to training those men and women to go out in the community and be very helpful. i think that will make a difference. i appreciate what congressman scott is doing. i really appreciate what the community is doing. every state around here saying we need to get rid of our whole
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view about drugs and we need to punish people. i don't use drugs but i don't want to punish people simply because they have addiction, but they need to be treated and they need to be given the opportunity. i think that's what's going to be very important going into the 21st century. >> congressman, this thursday the president is going to make history. he will be the first sitting president to speak from a prison from a federal prison. the first time a sitting president goes to a federal prison and addresses people. is the president trying to shift the public attitudes and opinions about these issues? >> well i was surprised to hear he was the first to visit a prison. there's so much going on in prison that you can actually do some good. you have people where you have them under lock and key for years, they should get out a lot better than they went in. many of the problems drug addictions, low-level education, no job training and after
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several years they get out as untrained and uneducated as they went in. we can change that and significantly reduce the cost of future incarceration and because you not only reduce crime, you also save money. >> well you're right. i remember growing up they used to call them correction facilities. now they call them detention facilities. we need to get back to correction. some may not be able to be corrected but many can be and we should not give up on that. congressman scott, professor ogletree, thank you both for your time tonight. >> my pleasure. coming up a huge new achievement for president obama. it's another key part of his legacy. we'll tell you why republicans probably won't be able to stop it. plus, hillary clinton's outreach on capitol hill. what she said behind closed doors with the congressional black caucus today. also look out, america. donald trump is number one in a
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today, because america negotiated from a position of strength and principle, we have stopped the spread of nuclear weapons in the region. because of this deal, the international community will be able to verify the republic of iran will not develop a nuclear weapon. >> president obama talking about today's historic nuclear agreement with iran. he unveiled the deal between iran and six other world powers including the u.s. this morning.
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the deal would dramatically reduce the nuclear materials, allow for inspectors to check its nuclear sites and, in return it eases the economic sanctions iran has been dealing with. it's a deal experts say could end the dangerous stalemate over iran's nuclear program. but of course republicans aren't buying it. >> he's going to hand a dangerous regime billions of dollars in sanctions relief while paving a way for a nuclear iran. >> this proposed deal is a dangerous mistake that's going to pavin the path for iran to get a nuclear weapon. >> we've ensured they become a nuclear nation. we're going to ensure there will be a nuclear arms race now. >> it's the kind of saber rattling we've heard for years, and the president wasn't having it. >> this is not the time for politics or posturing.
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tough talk from washington does not solve problems. i am confident this deal will meet the national security interests of the united states and our allies. so i will veto any legislation that prevents this deal. >> this deal is a huge achievement for president obama and until republicans can drum up enough democratic votes for a veto, they can't do anything about it. joining me is gregory meeks, democrat from new york. he serves on the foreign affairs committee. thank you for being here, congressman. >> good being with you, rev. >> first let me ask you, what do you think about this deal? >> well you said it right in that it's historic. i think if people are going to be serious, members of congress are going to be serious about what their responsibilities are, you heard the word from the president. let's check it out.
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that's what we should be doing as members of congress. we should be going to vienna and talking to the iaea and the scientists and individuals who will be inspecting, whether or not they can do the job, because the objective is to prevent iran from having a nuclear weapon. and from what i'm hearing from the president, if we prevent iran from having the materials and the inspections, et cetera, from them having a nuclear weapon, then we've accomplished what we would have set out to accomplish 20 months ago when these negotiations took place. >> it's one thing to look at this deal with a critical eye, congressman meeks, some republicans are taking their criticism pretty far. listen to senator lindsey graham. >> this is the most dangerous, irresponsible step i've ever seen in the history of watching the mideast. is he forgetting president bush's invasion of iraq?
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>> you took the words out of my mouth mouth. we had a hearing on iran today and one of the things i reminded folks of us many of the same individuals did not want to do any kind of diplomacy, did not want inspectors to go in. they said that the weapons of mass destruction was in iraq and they went straight to shock and awe until this day, from then to today the american people have had to pay for that. so for this president to make sure that we're not going along because, again in iraq we did it by ourselves. it was us just doing it independently. here what this president's leadership did was kick five other nations, five other nations together so we have the entire international community on our side. and i asked those individuals who come out and i heard senator graham who basically made that statement almost ten minutes after the agreement was done so i don't know how he had time to read it to evaluate it or do anything that was responsible in regard to looking at the
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agreement. so i asked them though we should have learned from what we did from the past what we did with iraq and make sure we give diplomacy and opportunity here and let's verify whether or not the agreement this president has struck will indeed prevent iran from having a nuclear weapon. >> let me ask you this congressman, you said how under this president's leadership and he brought in five other major nations, how big -- how huge of a deal is this for president obama's legacy? >> this is huge. preventing iran from having a nuclear weapon changes things this the middle east where you don't have an arms race. it makes israel safer. it makes the european union safer. it makes americans safer. so this is a game changer. people forget that back in 2006 and 2007 the bush administration initially tried to do diplomacy. they wanted to have a deal.
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at that time iran turned them down. the entire international community wasn't there and that's what president obama did. he was able to get these other five nations, have them stay together. that's what brought iran to the negotiating table and that's what has put us into the position where we are today to make sure that iran does in the have opportunity to gain a nuclear weapon. that is huge. we've come a long way from where we were in 2007 and 2008 to where we are today where there's a strong possibility of a diplomatic solution and that's big. >> it's interesting you keep pointing out that it's not just the u.s. despite the critics on the right but five other nations are part of this deal and have said this is the best way to deal with this. congressman gregory meeks, thank you for your time tonight. >> good being with you. >> still ahead, hillary clinton on capitol hill today meeting with the congressional black
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carmax will be the best way to buy them. hillary clinton made a full-court press on capitol hill today. clinton spending the day courting congressional democrats including a closed door meeting with the congressional black caucus. cbc chair gk butterfield previewed the meeting saying quote, the black caucus has a myriad of issues it cares about. so we're going to use every minute that we can to have a conversation with her about our agenda. persistent poverty is an example and we want to make sure she recognizes and embraces the question of persistent poverty. that's going to be the lead item that we talk about. in the first major address on the economy yesterday she
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highlighted some of the work that needs to be done. >> there are nearly 6 million young people aged 16 to 24 in america today who are not in school or at work. the numbers for young people of color are particularly staggering. a quarter of young black men and nearly 15% of all latino youth cannot find a job. i firmly believe that the best anti-poverty program is a job, but that's hard to say if there aren't enough jobs for people trying to help lift themselves out of poverty. >> joining me now is congressman g.k. butterfield, chairman of the congressional black caucus and political strategist angela wright. thank you both for being here. >> thank you. >> thank you, rev. >> congressman, mr. chairman what can you tell us about what clinton talked about?
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>> well reverend sharpton we had a very constructive dialogue today with secretary clinton. she scheduled 30 minutes but it ended up being an hour meeting. we started with the whole question of poverty. 45 million people in this country live in poverty and more than 10 million of those are african-americans. one out of four black families are living in poverty. one out of three black children live in poverty so we had to begin this conversation today talking about persistent poverty and we were very pleased with the response of secretary clinton. she had been prepared for this question and she knew that it was coming and we were very pleased with the response that she gave. >> what did she say she intended to do? what was her proposal? >> the congressional black caucus indicates a 10/20/30 program whereby we want to target federal resources in those communities that have poverty rates in excess of 20% that has persisted for more than 30 years and we want to redirect federal dollars into those communities. it will not raise the deficit
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nor the debt but we want to prioritize federal dollars in persistent poverty communities and she gets it and she told us she was very supportive of the idea and looked forward to working with us. this was not a political meeting today, i want to stress. this was a policy meeting and we want to know where she stands and we gave it to her for 60 continuous minutes. >> angela it wasn't a political meeting but many members of the cbc actually supported mrs. clinton in 2008 over then-senator obama. what can she do this time around to win over the members who didn't support her then? >> well i think there are a couple of things. one, rev, it's important to note the cbc was one of the meetings secretary clinton held today. there was also an overall democratic caucus meeting. there was also a meeting with the asian caucus the hispanic and pro-gressive caucus. this speaks volumes about her political acumen whether it was
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a political meeting or policy meeting. it says she understands this group is very very important. they're not only her former democratic colleagues but they're super delegates. and it's very very important for her to have these conversations early so her agenda begins to mirror theirs. so it's very very important. i think the other piece you're talking about what she can do differently. i think the circumstances are certainly much different. it's very very hard for a cbc member and it was at the time in 2008 to argue that they would not support the first black potentially president. that would be standing on the wrong side of history. >> many of them did. >> what i'm saying to you is many of them did not as well. the caucus was probably three-fourths for the president and one-fourth for secretary clinton. most of that had to do rev, with the fact they knew her longer. they had relationships with her. i know my former boss congressman cleaver, was a clinton appointee. that's where his allegiance
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lied. they support someone coming out of their state. there are a number of reasons why. of course we don't have time to get into all of them. this speaks volumes. >> mr. chairman how does hillary clinton go forward and keep the obama coalition together for her own candidacy in 2016 in the general election? >> well reverend sharpton every president needs to learn from prior administrations, and i'm sure that mrs. clinton has been around for a long time. she watched her husband's administration and president bush and now president obama. i think she will benefit from all of the missteps, if you will of prior administrations and i believe she is sharpening her tools and getting ready to run a very competitive race in anticipation of being the president. the congressional black caucus is not going to give mrs. clinton or any other candidate a pass. we're going to ask the tough questions and insist that our president, our next president, address the war on poverty.
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president johnson did it in 1964. he didn't mince words. he said what he meant and he executed his words, and that's what we expect of the next president of the united states. >> angela this week the rnc is working on minority outreach announcing a four-week ohio campaign that will focus on outreach to and mobilization of black voters in advance of november 2016's presidential election. part of an ongoing effort by the national republican party under chairman reince priebus to recruit black and urban voters. haven't we seen this kind of outreach effort from the rnc before, angela? >> we certainly heard this talk before rev, and all i would say to that is welcome to the party, rnc. you're really late a four-week trial period with minority voters at this point is simply ridiculous. what do your policies say? what are your candidates saying? how are you going to represent
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the cadre of americans that you have ignored and you overwhelmingly tend to say ignorant things about with great regularity? how are you going to speak to and relate to them? and when your record says something completely different, they have a lot of work to do. >> mr. chairman secretary clinton said first two major policy addresses really were on criminal justice and voting rights and we've heard both of those speeches. you've talked about policy and holding everyone accountable. what do you -- you are the chairman of the congressional black caucus have tremendous influence not only in your home district but around the country. what are you going to be listening for from mrs. clinton as the campaign goes forward? >> criminal justice reform is on the mind of every american every african-american. we're working together on a bipartisan deal that hopefully will be announced in a few days whereby we'll make the first step forward in reforming the criminal justice system.
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the fact that the president is going out to visit a prison this week is not by accident. there is a reason he is going to this prison because we're building to announce a bipartisan deal on criminal justice reform. our system is broken and it has to be fixed. on the question of voting rights mrs. clinton clearly understands the voting rights act. her husband and she have been a part of the voting rights movement for years. she understands section two section five and she knows the damage the supreme court did to the african-american and latino communities when it struck down section four which gives life to section five. we have a commitment from mrs. clinton that she will be aggressive in the enforcement of the voting rights act. >> congressman butterfield, mr. chairman, and angela wright thank you both for your time tonight. >> thank you rev. >> coming up donald trump hits number one in a new poll. good news for trump. great news for democrats and a giant headache for the gop. stay with us.
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it's official. donald trump is now the front-runner in the republican field. that's right. a new national poll puts trump in first place. this is not a joke. he's leading jeb bush by three points and beating scott walker by nine.
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right now this race isn't even close. and today all three of those candidates hit the road. ask the walker kicking off his first day campaigning and trump, well he was at a winery in virginia but a lot of focus today was on the new guy. >> i'm scott walker and i'm running for president, and i'm asking for your vote. >> dressed in jeans, he's aiming for that every day relatable image. what about his policies? >> since i've been governor we took on the unions and we won. we defunded planned parenthood and passed pro-life legislation. in my state you now need a photo i.d. to vote because we want it easy to vote but hard to cheat. i signed a budget a few days ago
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that said not only that now but if you want to get that welfare check, you have to show you can pass a drug test on top of that. >> it's an extreme and extremely conservative record and with this guy running, will scott walker get any attention at all? >> i speak as well as anybody. i went to one of the greatest schools in the world. i can speak better than anybody, but we need energy. we need -- we need something behind what we say. and we don't have to worry about tone. we have to worry about results. >> let me bring in joan walsh and darian warren to discuss this. joan, how do you assess this that trump is number one? >> i mean look it's early. we saw in 2012 everybody had a chance at being the front-runner, so he's not -- he's not going to stay there necessarily, but it's got to be terrifying for the republican party and it has to be terrifying for scott walker
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because this should be his week. he's stepping out. he's rolling out his campaign. scott walker by the way, seems to think that the electorate is only white men voting. he doesn't understand the changes that have taken place in our society because he pitches his whole appeal to men. he even has talked about how the gender gap that favors democrats with women is actually men preferring republican and he is doubling down on that reverend al. but it could all be for naught because he's going after that same white working class guy vote that donald trump is much more popular with. >> what is your view on trump in a national poll and how scott walker new candidate, same poll says 21% of republicans don't even know him. >> don't know him yet, it's true. donald trump has the name recognition but joan just said something to me about scott walker a minute ago. dog whistle politics. scott walker's dog whistling to a core conservative -- >> drug testing. >> anti-labor anti-black
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racially coded appeals. donald trump is a dog barker. and so he is getting much more attention right now because he's saying basically the same thing scott walker is saying just very explicitly. >> now how does this play out in terms of you start the debates less than a month, a little over three weeks from now. trump is going to be on that stage. how long does he last and how much of a distraction can he be as long as he's up there in the top ten and now at number one. >> you notice very few of them have really stepped out. i want to give credit to lindsey graham who has repudiated donald trump in the strongest language yet. jeb bush took a couple weeks and then acted offended. he's gone silent. scott walker refused to criticize him last night. >> i want to go to that dorian. i think joan raises a very interesting point. lindsey graham went after him. jeb finally went after him.
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but look what happened when they ask scott walker about donald trump. >> bush has said that he believes what trump has said about mexicans is really meant to inflame and incite. do you agree? >> i think donald trump and the others can speak for themselves. i'm going to lay out what i'm for. >> eventually you could be on the debate stage with trump. if he said on the stage what he has said about mexicans what would you say to him? >> i respectfully disagree with him. >> what tightrope is he on? >> he's trying to stay in the dog whistle lane not the dog barking lane. he has an evaporating over trump i think we'll see in the polls the next couple of weeks. he's evangelical and he's from a neighboring state of iowa and he's popular in iowa. it is just what day two of the launch of his campaign. by the time they're on the debate stage he will be careful like jeb bush to not frontally attack trump because trump has nothing to lose. they have something to lose in this campaign. >> now, joan walker is a good
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politician. and i have to admit he's overcome a recall -- >> three elections in four years. >> you can't underestimate him and last night his coming out announcement speech was generally reviewed very favorably and he memorize edd it. a 40-minute speech. >> right. he has some skills, reverend al. there's no doubt about that. i don't know how well it translates to a national audience. he says he buys his clothes at kohl's but he is wholly owned by the coke brothers. he's also -- >> freudian slip. >> last night he came out and said the minimum wage is lame is a lame idea. he is actually to the right of mitt romney. we didn't think we could ever see this right? most of these guys to the right of mr. 47%. mitt romney supports a hike in the minimum wage. mitt romney says his biggest regret is his stance on immigration. >> but he's able to choreograph it and cover it being a likeable
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mr. everyday guy with his dress. i mean like you, dorian he knows how -- >> i dressed like scott walker today. the common man. this is a scott walker day. >> but how does he -- if he won the nomination right now the polls don't give him a shot how does he translate that? a general election and become xet competitive? >> that is the core challenge that he faces by going so hard right now to winning a republican primary. he then has to pivot to the center for the general election. the general election constituency is much of more moderate than he is. if he can keep that affable dog whistle politics with hard-right policies and fool the american voters, he could win. i think in a general election he gets whooped. >> maybe we'll just send him some sneakers. joan, more seriously, the issues are really going to catch up with all of them as the debates go on. i know as you get down that
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debate schedule it gets more and more serious and the public starts getting beyond your persona and your charisma or lack of it and starts listening to the issues. >> right. somebody will emerge as the anti-trump. i don't think it will be scott walker for sure. somebody will have a shot but, you know it's going to be tough not to be pulled right by him. >> joan walsh, dorian warren thank you both for your time tonight. >> thank you, reverend. >> thanks rev. come up eric garner's family fights for justice nearly one year after his death. to steady betty. fire it up! ♪ am i the only one with a meeting? i've got two. yeah we've gotta go. i gotta say it man this is a nice set-up. too soon. just kidding. nissan sentra. j.d. power's "highest ranked compact car in initial quality." now get 0% financing or a great lease on the nissan sentra. ♪
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well there goes the country club. the 2015 dodge durango. now with available beats audio. finally tonight i want to talk about the family of eric garner and their long fight for justice. the garner family just reached a settlement with new york city for $5.9 million in the chokehold death of eric nearly a year ago but today at a press conference with my civil rights group, the national action network, his widow said the settlement can't undo what happened that day eric was stopped by police. >> i lose sleep. i can't sleep at night. i've been married 28 years.
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hoping looking for the day all my kids leave the house and me and my husband can do what we want to do without babysitters, and now i have no one but my children, and i'm alone to deal with this for the rest of my life. >> the pain is real. so is the tragedy. but garner's daughter said their fight for justice is not over. >> what does justice look like? when we get indictments. when we get a fair trial. we're going to keep on fighting for justice. no amount of money is going to bring my father back so we're going to keep on going and keep on going. >> they want to keep going. a grand jury decided not to indict anyone in garner's debt but the justice department inquiry is still under way. the new york police department has finished its internal investigation but hasn't said if any officer will be disciplined. the public reaction to garner's death helped start a movement. i can't breathe.
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black lives matter. and it was one of the incidents that helped convince andrew cuomo to appoint a special prosecutor for police involved shootings. i have been on these cases from the beginning, spoke at most of their funerals and rallies saying we just need justice. to think on a videotape a man being choke held saying 11 times i can't breathe, it needs to be an impartial and fair public jury to decide on this. no amount of money should make us rest until we know what happened and why. someone saying i can't breathe being held by a policeman deserves, requires and mandates answers not just a monetary settlement. that covers some of the loss. it does not cover a pursuit for justice. thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton.
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