survivors. >> this is your community. this is where we live. and something happened here that should never happen. that's why we join the military for this never to happen. >> is chattanooga safe after this ordeal? we'll ask the mayor andrew berke. and as we learn more about the man behind the attacks, exclusiver is er isr is er isr is er isr is interview with a high school classmate of the gunman. good day. i'm andrea mitchell in washington. fbi investigation is in high gear trying to figure out what led a 24-year-old kuwaiti born american mohammad youssuf abdulazeez to allegedly attack two military facilities in chattanooga, tennessee, leaving five dead four marines and the shooter himself. was it an act of terrorism? nbc's justice correspondence and sarah where the community is still realingeling from the attack. >> it's been just over 24 hours now since this attack.

it's somewhat unusual that they still have no clue why he did it. so often in these case, andrea we've seen the people responsible had left some kind of message or some sort of videotape message or manifesto or had said something or had been communicating on facebook. authorities say they have found none of that, nothing that indicate any connection to overseas terror. they still can't answer that fundmental question. his electronic devices have been taken to the fbi's crime lab in quantico virginia where all that is being analyzed. as they look back through his past context trying to reconstruct the past few days they're looking at other things too. they know that his father had been looked at. was briefly investigated 20 years ago after he gave money to a charity connected with a group overseas that was considered to be a terror group, hamas, i believe. but they looked at that and

decided the father's interest was strictly charitable. that investigation was shut down. but that's an interesting connection, that they're looking at to see whether that means anything. they know that last year abdulazeez went overseas the young man, the suspect in the shooting went overseas for seven months. they know he damecame and went from jordan, where the family is from. they don't know whether he said in jordan the whole time. they're trying to see if he went elsewhere. for example, did he go to yemen, did he go somewhere elsewhere there are notorious hangouts for terrorists. that's certainly something they're looking at. they're tracing where he got the weapons. they're trying to see whether he in any way planned this out in advance, had ever cased these places rehearsed it whether, you know all those sorts of questions. the simple summary here andrea is they don't know why he did this. >> and, sarah, you just interviewed the police chief. have they learned anything more about his movements that day or

before? >> well, the police chief couldn't comment on the ongoing investigation, andrea but he did talk about the affect the shooting has had both on him and his department at large. he called yesterday both his saddest and proudest day as police chief praising law enforcement's response in the face of unfolding danger. he spoke about one officer who was off duty at home and as soon as he heard what was going on he got up put his uniform on and reported for work. now, the police chief also updated us on the condition of his wounded officer saying he is in a lot of pain right now but he is in good spirits surrounded by family and fellow officers. >> we have a little bit of that interview of your interview with fred fletcher the police chief. >> who wanted to harm people simply because of the uniforms they wore and the service they chose. and i know that officers in this police department and people from around the community made sure he harmed as few people as

possible. >> sarah, what do we know about -- >> we were there talking -- >> what do we know about the condition of the survivors of this attack? >> well, we know, for example that police officer who was wounded is doing better. the police chief saying he's in a lot of pain but in good spirits. as for another person who was wounded we are told that injury is critical. we have not received their name or their condition as of this morning. meanwhile, we're learning more about those who were killed in the attack. thomas sullivan was a marine from massachusetts. he had served two tours of duty in iraq. a second victim has been identified by a station in atlanta as 21-year-old skip wells, the bodies of all four marines are being taken to virginia via a motorcade. as for the community, they remain united by grief. there was a vigil this morning at the university of tennessee at chattanooga where the suspect had attended. there is another vigil planned for tonight at a local baptist church, all religions are

invited to attend. >> pete, how unusual is it to have someone in a case like this who never raised any alarms was never involved in anything that they knew of had never had any online kind of signature here? >> well, it's very unusual. it's the fbi's nightmare scenario. this is what they've been warning about all along. it's one thing when fortunately a lot of cases, and there have been well over 60 isis related arrests over the last year and a half most of those folks have talked to someone else or have said something on facebook of social media or shot their mouth off in a bar or something that got the authorities on to them in the first place. but if somebody is going to plan an attack all by themselves and never say anything to anyone else about it how in the world would law enforcement ever know about it and that's of course the big concern. >> thanks to pete williams. i'm joined by a survivor of yesterday's horrific shooting sergeant first class robert

dodge is the head of the army recruiting center where the gunfire first broke out. thank you for joining me. my condolences for what you and all of your colleagues have gone through. i'm sure this has just been a horrible 24 hours. tell me how you are, first of all. >> i'm good ma'am. appreciate you having me on again this morning. i want to send out you know, let our marine brethren know our thoughts with with them and families after yesterday's tragedies and we are here to support them in any way they may need. >> tell me about the events the sequence, what did you see and hear, when did you first know you were under attack? >> well, we heard a one single pop that got our attention. and then about a second or two later the rest of the gunfire erupted. we then went into a what we call an actor shooter drill and moved to a secure location and waited for everything to be all clear. >> had you been warned because

of online messages by isis and others that there could be a targeting of military bases and also off-base facilities? >> we do not -- i do not have any knowledge of any specific threats in this area. >> and tell me about the business of the facility that you've been working at that you've been running. >> we work out of a strip mall. it's a recruiting center. we sit there and that's where we process the young men and women of america to join the united states army and the other services that are next to us. and that's what we're looking for, is those young men and women who have the courage to stand up and fight for america and try to prevent acts like this that happen in the future. >> do you have concerns as a recruiter that this could discourage others from wanting to sign up to join? >> well, you know we're a strong resilient army and we train the best in the world. and that's what we're here to do

is to find those people that have the courage and the strength to stand up and be army strong. >> and as you went through this horror of the attack how did you and others seek cover? how did you come to the rescue of those who had been injured? tell me what took place. >> well, our active shooter drill is something we train on on a regular basis throughout the year. of course you're never -- know when this is going to happen so that's why we do the training sporadically. again, it's train that we do. as soldiers we train every day to combat any situation and try to be prepared for anything. the training alone is what prepared us for yesterday's events. >> i know we don't know the motive of this young man but at this stage, what is your -- what is your thought about the threats that are facing america because, you know, if you're not safe in an army recruiting center in a strip mall in chattanooga, tennessee, where

are you safe in this country? >> that's a good concern. you know we abide by our current policies and everything. a lot of those questions need to be directed to dod personnel. they're the ones who make the choices and decisions on that. as a soldier, i abide and i follow those policies as directed. >> i understand that you are not armed and that is the policy in these recruitment centers, that people do not carry weapons. >> that is correct, ma'am. >> well, again, thank you. thanks for taking the time to be with us today. and we wish everyone speedy recovery and thank you for your service. >> again thank you, ma'am. and join meg now by phone is chattanooga mayor andy berke. mr. mayor, your community has gone through a terrible tragedy. how are people pulling together? >> well, last night we saw spontaneous acts of kindness and

grieving. we saw people bringing things out. we saw a number of vigils that popped up around the city and then tonight at 5:30 we'll be having a much larger community wide vigil. i think for a state that calls itself the volunteer state, that has a great affiliation for the military where we all went to bed a little bit heartbroken last night and today we wake up and really thinking about the families of those who lost heroes. >> i know you can't talk about the investigation, but from the best of your nom, was he acting alone? >> well, we know that there are no other active threats right now in our community. that was -- that was a comfort yesterday that our officers really engaged the person even before he could get to this second site and limited the damage significantly by their acts of heroism.

but we are going through, along with the fbi and the atf, making sure that we know everything that happened in the days weeks, and months leading up to yesterday so that we can determine anybody else who is responsible. >> i know the policy is not to have the personnel be armed. and it is a pentagon decision. but do you think you and the local community have to provide more protection for now at least to some of these military facilities these off-base facilities? >> well, yesterday the first thing that we did was notify every local military facility that that was going on. we actually started doing that even before we knew what the final outcome at the scene was. we just as our office heard about it the first thing that we did was start calling our local military installations, anything that we had and saying hey, we want you to know what's going on here in chattanooga.

you know for us, you know the military has got to make these decisions about the security at their locations. but we want everybody to feel safe in our community and that's citywide. >> and you had a police officer who was injured. tell me about his condition. >> well, i really -- he's asked us not to speak about his condition in specificity. he got a chance to visit with them yesterday and his family. he is recovering but again, he did take -- he did take a bullet to his leg. he did so while engaging this individual on his way to doing the shooting and so you know i think that our officers, along with the hamillton county's

sheriff's department people are from all over our city went out, jumped in their car as soon as they heard what was happening and their training went to work and i think that's really a testament to the brave people who serve this community. >> do you have a message to your police and community law enforcement teams? >> i think the first message is we're proud of you and we support you. for those who were injured, you know, we think about your family, but i think, again, a lot of those individuals who are now in the chattanooga police department at one time they served in our military or their family did or their friends do and so for us we're proud of what happened. we're also cognizant of the fact that while those brave people went and risked their lives to make sure that the casualties weren't worse, there are still four families who are grieving last night and our city stands

with you. >> thank you so much mr. mayor. and our thoughts and prayers are with you and all the people in chattanooga and the surrounding area. thank you for being with us today. >> thank you. and we expect a lot more about the investigation into the shooting in chattanooga at the white house briefing. that's expected to begin at any moment. but first, what can be done to prevent the next lone wolf attack? ♪ [music] ♪ jackie's heart attack didn't come with a warning. today her doctor has her on a bayer aspirin regimen to help reduce the risk of another one. if you've had a heart attack be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen.

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there's a group of tweeters in syria and their message is to prompt, come to the so-called caliphate and live the life of some sort of glory or something and if you can't come, kill somebody where you are. kill somebody in uniform, kill anybody, if you can cut their

head off, great. videotape it. do it, do it do it. >> fbi director james comey at a senate hearing last week a timely warning about the new reality of terror threats. how does america combat this threat? i'm joined by shawn henry he's now the president of crowd strike services. shawn, thanks very much. it is a new paradigm a new normal. >> absolutely right, andrea. this is just a new way of life for us unfortunately. i think we've been looking for 15 years post- 9/11 at al qaeda and the dramatic type of attacks. what we've seen here in the last year or two with isis, isis isis-inspired attacks, it is as comey said fight where you stand, do whatever you can to promote your cause. >> there's a lot of talk after 9/11 that if they ever the bad guys ever figured out they could terrorize america from middle america from shopping malls, it would be as effective

as these grand multipronged attacks. >> i think, you know terrorism is all about striking fear in the hearts of people. i think what we've seen around the country, there are people standing up and saying they're not going to be terrorized. they're not going to be afraid to go and participate day to day. what we need to do in law enforcement and as americans is to be vigilant to use intelligence so they can be deterred and dismantled. >> we don't know, we can't be sure of what inspired this man, whether it was some internal psychological factor whether it was domestically inspired or foreign inspired. just recently, of course in charleston we saw the flip side of foreign terrorism, the race-based domestic terrorism. it's all the same though deranged people taking weapons and going into safe places church, army recruiting center, and blowing people apart. >> yeah.

that's right. the very definition of terrorism is about using violence to promote your social or political agenda. what we saw in south carolina what we saw yesterday, it appears of course the investigation is still early, but regardless of how people are inspired, the fact that they're using violence to promote their cause is a threat to all of us. >> what is the answer for law enforcement? >> it really is about intelligence. director comey has talked previously about how you use intelligence to get ahead of these types of attacks. what i call peering around the corner so you disrupt the attacks before they're brought to fruition and innocent people are killed. the fbi has been successful in the last few weeks. you've seen arrests in advance of an actual attack. they've got to continue to do that and they're working very closely with local law enforcement, state law enforcement, and other federal agencies. >> shawn henry, former executives a zi tant director of the fbi and right now to the white house where josh earnest is briefing. let's listen. >> that is a part of their

ongoing investigation. but i will allow the investigators themselves to provide you with an update when they're able to. the president indicated yesterday that he wanted to try to keep the american public informed as much as possible in a timely fashion on this ongoing investigation and i'm confident our investigators will do exactly that. >> what about information on whether anyone else was involved in the shooting? >> they said they're looking a all of these questions in the context of the investigation. i don't have additional information about that. >> the army chief of staff said earlier today that security and military recruiting centers and reserve centers would be -- does the president think it's time to beef up security at those places like that? >> the president certainly believes it's appropriate for the department of defense to conduct a review. the president alluded to this in his statement yesterday, it's important for us to take the necessary steps to ensure that our men and women in uniform are safe. particularly when it comes to our men and women in uniform here at home.

and there was an announcement from the department of homeland security about some additional steps they would be taking. there are some facilities that are jointly operated by the federal government and department of defense where the department of homeland security has jurisdiction. so i would refer you to the department of homeland security for additional steps they can tell you about. there will be some steps that they won't be able to discuss publicly but it makes sense the department of defense would be considering doing something similar. >> lastly daully guidance for today included this rare line that said the president will remain overnight in new york. spend time with his daughters. usually you all would just say he's remaining overnight in new york. can you flush out father father/daughter weekend? >> the president is and has been scheduled to travel to new york for a fun is not particularly unusual. but, yes the president is looking forward to a rare opportunity that he will have to spend -- >> the president's travel schedule now as it returns to

more normal activity family time in new york this weekend. i'm here with shawn henry and msnbc military analyst, retired u.s. army colonel jack jacobs. jack, is the pentagon going to have to give serious consideration to having people carry weapons or have more security at all of these army recruitment or military recruitment centers, i should say, around the country? >> i think they've decided they are going to have to provide more security in some fashion. i think in some instances they're going to decide that the recruiters themselves will be armed but there will be very few. they're going to work in coordination with the local police sheriffs and so on to provide security outside. none of these recruiting stations are extremely small. they're in strip malls like this. i think in this particular instance being armtded would not have assisted very much. there is one right down street

from 30 rock. small recruiting station right in the middle of times square with thousands of people around. right now it's being -- security is being provided by the new york police department with dogs and so on. in some instances i think they're going to permit or insist that recruiters be armed. but if they're armed they're going to have to be trained not just in the use of weapons but the use of the weapons in those kinds of circumstances. police are very good at doing what they do because they train to use weapons, small units and tactics in urban situations. if you're going to arm recruiters you're going to have to give them exactly the same training andrea. >> and one of the issues here is how do you recruit if you're not reaching out? the head of army recruiting said we can't have barricaded centers, we can't have places where we recruit young men and women that look like a fortress. we have to have a connection from american people. that's from the u.s. army recruiting command.

shawn henry is here with me still. this is an analysis to the state department faced after the embassy bombings in kenya and tanzania when they started fortifying embassy, moving them outside of downtown area where's they could not do what is the job of diplomats, to reach out to communities. they're all behind barbed wire. >> that's right. the u.s. government is constantly assessing the threats that are posed against u.s. and u.s. interests. and you're constantly evaluating your security protocols based on the xisting threats. i think what ware seeing here and jack made good points about where people will be armed or not at the recruiting station, coordination with the local law enforcement, et cetera continuous evaluation of what's occurring. if there's additional intelligence that's coming forward and the u.s. government state and local agencies will make the appropriate adjustments. >> quick question. we're talking about the need for more intelligence. at the same time americans strongly believe in their privacy. there's a big reaction after

edward snowden against the intrusion of having the data collected, the e-mails, also under surveillance in some cases. how do we balance these priorities jack? >> well, it is a question of balance. i've always been amused by people concerned about privacy when they're talking into a phone whose signal goes out into the air which can be collected by anybody. not just the government. i think the concern is that the government owns it. people all the time give their personal information online. but assuming that you're in a public place and that you have the -- that you have privacy when you're talking on the phone and sending the information out is a bit silly in the circumstances in which we're trying to gain good intelligence to prevent situations like this. but it is a question of balance. at the end of the day it's a political question and the decision be made as a function of what the people want their

legislators to decide. >> do we think we now have to face a new level of invasive intelligence gathering and security. >> you know again, jack makes a good point. this is always going to be a balance. this is a question for the american public. assess the risk and recognize how much privacy you're willing to forego. up with 00 that can't happen if americans understand what the challenges are, what the threats are and what they face from a violence perspective, they'll make that decision. this is going to be a decision i think made in the court of public opinion. we'll see congress involved, the administration, we've seen the director of the fbi. there are going to be a lot of voices the american public is going to have to choose. >> shawn henry, former executive assistant director of the fbi. thank you. of course colonel jack jacobs thank you as well. and turning now to the nuclear deal with iran. the president and foreign policy team are fanning outgoing all out to overcome congressional

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john kerry was on "morning joe" this morning. and i asked him about those final meetings in vienna. there are reports that at that final meeting on tuesday of all the ministers. they went around the table and when they came to you you talked

about being a 22-year-old going to vietnam and that you never wanted to go to war without having exhausted the diplomacy. could you speak to that to what that moment meant to you? >> well, andrea i believe that the alternative to what we are trying to do here is conflict. i can hear everybody clamoring, so what are you going to do now? if they start to enrich you know that every presidential candidate appearing on your show will say, well, now it's time for president obama to show how tough he is and bomb them. george bush promised there would be a last resort of war in iraq. obviously didn't turn out that way. people are very bitter about that. so i really believe that that's an imperative of diplomacy, imperative to public life. i vowed when i calm back to oppose the war if i ever had an opportunity to be in a position of responsibility i would fight for that principle. >> a telling moment with john kerry today. john kerry and earn les monuz who helped him are going to be

chuck's guests on "meet the press." bill has lamb spoke with reporters about the deadly shootings from chattanooga yesterday. >> this has obviously been a sad last 20 hours in chattanooga. chattanooga will do what it does best support each other and commit to the process for a grieving city. i'm incredibly grateful for the work that's happened on the local level. >> investigators are digging into the past of the chattanooga shooter, 24-year-old mohammad youssuf abdulazeez who how do you reconcile a young man described by friends as quiet and friendly a person who shot up two military facilities. joining me now from chicago is valley former high school classmate of the gunman at red bank high school. valerie, thanks for joining us today. this has to be very painful, shock for people who knew him as young man. >> of course. you don't expect it to happen in

your community. our high school was only 1500 people. everyone knew each other. i had many classes with him. and we've joked around. you don't expect something like this. >> tell me about him, mohammad, in high school. >> he was quiet. he had a sarcastic sense of humor. he didn't seem to have a ton of friends outside of school. i know he did wrestling and he just seemed like a normal guy. obviously he was devout in muslim. and i played sockcer with his sister, she was a really nice girl. always talked about religion. >> were guns a big part of activity, social or other activity? >> was what? >> what about guns? did he hunt did he shoot? i mean was that just part of small town tennessee activity? >> actually he wasn't one of the

guys that i ever heard about you know going hunting or he wasn't really that kind of guy. but he also didn't really tell a lot of people about his personal life. i don't think very many people knew much about him. he just was very reserved and kept to himself mostly. >> and his yearbook quote has drawn a lot of attention because it said my name causes national security alerts. what does your do? >> of course. yeah. i mean at the time it just seemed like a joke. it seemed a little sarcastic and maybe a little dark humor, but it didn't seem like something that anyone had to be concerned about. obviously it made the cut into the yearbook. >> but -- after 9/11 as you were growing up was there prejudice against him because of his ethnicity? >> i'm sure there was. and i've seen people posting on facebook about muslim people and how all the stereotypes are true

and, i mean there's always going to be people like that. but it is the south and there's more prejudice. there's not a ton of muslim families that i knew growing up. i mean his family is one of the only ones that i personally knew, so a lot of people i think are just kind of jumping to arms and making rush judgments. >> but did you see any sign that he could have done something this horrific? >> no. i mean there is no indication of that. but then again, he wasn't you know, the guy voted prom king. he wasn't the most out going person. he was reserved. so i mean i guess he's more likely than some students. but, no i would have never you know, just assumed it. i was shocked to find out that it was him. i mean i didn't want to believe it. >> have you and your other high school classmates been messaging, communicating about this? >> yeah. >> i assume you and your friends

are -- what are other people saying? >> i mean everyone i've spoken to, like i had a very diverse friend group. everyone i've talked to is just shocked by it. they all said he was frentiendly. he was nice to them. they can't believe it. chattanooga is the kind of place where it just feels like things like this just don't happen. so i think the whole community is grieving and everyone is just reeling from it. >> well, the sorrow is certainly profound for the whole community. thank you very much, valerie. >> thank you for sharing with us your memory of high school. questions continuing today about how a young woman could have died while being held in texas jail after being stopped for an alleged traffic violation. john yang has that story. >> reporter: how did a traffic stop escalate into a confrontation and end three days later with 28-year-old sandra bland dead in a texas jail cell? bland was in prairie view

outside houston to start a new job at her alma mater. >> the very last message that i have from her said hey, sister guess what i got the job that i came down here for. and i'll talk to you soon. >> reporter: texas officials say she hanged herself. her family calls that unfathomable. on friday bland was stopped by texas state police for changing lanes without signaling. bland's family believes this video shot by a bystander and not verify bid nbc news shows her arrest, though it doesn't show the moments leading up to it. officials said bland was argumentative and uncooperative and charged her with assault on a publicer is vabt. the next day she called her oldest sister. >> she was very aggravated. she seemed to be in pain. >> reporter: monday morning officials said bland was found dead in her jail cell. the fbi and texas rangers are investigating. >> i will admit it is strange

that someone that apparently seemed to have everything going her way would have taken her own life. that's what's very very important that a thorough investigation is done. >> social media exploded with skepticism about the official account of her death. >> black lives matter. >> bland herself used to post facebook videos called "sandy speaks" commenting on race in america. her own death, her family says would have been a likely topic. >> sandy and pure sandy speaks fashion would create a clip to lay out the facts to you and ask you to seek to understand. >> bland's family heads to texas in search of facts and understanding. john yang, nbc news, chicago. and we could find out the fate of james holmes the man convicted yesterday of killing 12 people in the colorado movie theater massacre in aurora colorado as early as next week. they rejected the idea he was legally insane.

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effort to reintroduce herself as a presidential candidate and to try to be more successful. it's been a journey featured in the "new york times" magazine. joining me now is the author of that piece, mark leibovich, who spent time with hillary clinton in new hampshire early this month. you've seen her over the years and you've seen her now in this campaign. how do you think she's changes? >> so far not at all despite a lot of indications that it's going to be different this time. i mean look there are a lot of operational things in the campaign that you hear are much better off than they were in 2008. but look there was a hint at least last year when she was promoting her book that she was going to let it rip a little bit. she was past being the cautious calculating candidate that we saw in '08 and it hasn't happened yet. i think that was reflected in my own experience of her. >> you write that re re re-producing hillary clinton.

voters appreciate it when they recognize bits of themselves when welcoming their parents. this is what shez been talking about when political types refer to as reintroducing or in clinton's case re-re-re-reintroducing. she often talks about her grandchild, of course. and she weaves in i think the most compelling narrative you certainly picked up on that about dorothy rodham a woman i got to know and really found to be a remarkably accessible and down to earth and caring person who lived at the white house. >> yes. she lived -- hillary clinton's mother who died in 2011 was -- i've always thought the most compelling part of hillary's story. hillary clinton on her own merits has had an amazing life and amazing run. but her mother's ordeal growing up, it's right out of dickens. it was just awful. she never talked about it really that much in public.

it was a piece of her memoir. people who knew her and who have come to know her knew the story. but it's now become a fairly i think, powerful part of her stump speech that she's bringing it more. probably easier because her mother isn't alive anymore. that's one thing i picked up on, i think you'll probably hearing more about that. >> perhaps while her mother was alive it was uncome forthable. she didn't want to embarrass her mother perhaps? >> i think so. >> now she sees it as more of a story that's a parable for women and women's empowerment. >> what's so effective about it first of all, it's more effective than a lot of other stuff she says in her stump speech but she does make a parable for notion of adversity and having help in doing so. in a way it's a template for what you might think is her vision for how government should work. >> what about the access to clinton herself? what have you noticed? >> welt,l, look it's frustrateing

for every member of the media. i had a pretty unusual case where they said she'll talk to you but she won't talk to you off the record which is highly unusual. >> how would you describe your source? >> i would describe -- >> senior official? >> it was just bizarre. i initially said no. finally when that was the only thing out there, all right, i'll do it and ask her directly if i can put all of this on the record. i had very limited success with that. but again, the process i went through to sort of even get this tiny bit of humanity out of her of yeah, you've known her a long time. you've seen her in a lot of settings as i have. you know this other person exists. there's duality of the hillary, her friends know and swear by and then the public much more, you know calculating you know scripted verks eded version of hillary which is a much bigger duality than you see in some public figures than in barack obama or george w. bush or her husband.

>> i always thought she was very effected by the way she was first introduced to the national news media which was in that horrible new hampshire primary when all the scandals were breaking around the draft, jennifer flowers, all the rest. that was her first emerge of reporters chasing her down the street. i was one of them, plead guilty. terrible way to be introduced to a national political campaign as a spouse. >> it totally is. in fairness to her and all politicians. it's hard to come out of this process and if you're trying to get distance from it as a journalist and watching this dynamic back and forth and mutual distrust and certainly looks like contempt on both sides, it's hard to know who to feel sorry for sometimes. this not an environment conducive to to a reflective or thoughtful conversation or give and take. >> one quick question. you were in new hampshire when the last filming of the reporters at the july 4th or july 3rd parade took place.

>> yes. >> i know the origin of this was years ago they did that in new hampshire but more static events. but to do it while reporters are moving down a parade route defeats the purpose of trying to appear as accessible as jeb bush and the others out there. >> you would think. at the same time, i thought that story was a bit over blown just because it was a logistical tool poorly chosen logistical tool that became a bad photograph. and, look people are going to run with something that is symbolically consistent with the theirive. >> it became a metaphor. >> sometimes a metaphor should be left as a metaphor a few hour or something. >> mark leibovich, great piece in the sunday magazine. thank you for being with us. up next what we know about donald trump's finances or what we think we know. you're watching msnbc. i am totally blind. and sometimes i struggle to sleep at night, and stay awake during the day. this is called non-24.

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hillary raised $46 million. that's a lot of money. the good news is i got -- well, the good news how much do i have? $10 billion. it's funny. >> oh, my gosh. donald trump continuing to make waves as portrayed on the cover of next week's issue of "the new yorker." yes. indeed. an artist rendering, of course. joining me now is msnbc contributor and founder of "the washington post" fix blog. how much money do we have $10 billion. >> i had never heard him talk about his wealth in public before. that was new to me andrea. >> irony becomes you. so what about the money chase? who is up who is down? >> i do think although he mentioned it in the context of himself, i do think donald trump is right, hillary clinton deserves a lot of credit. $46 million raised a huge number

especially andrea because it was in 2700 increments. yes, jeb bush raised $130 million for super pac but the super pac can take checks of any amount. so the money that hillary clinton raised, harder to raise and easier to use. that is it can be spent on a lot more things than money raised to a super pac. geb bush certainly a winner. also say a little bit oddly, i think ted cruz a winner $14 million over the first six months. campaign committee raised another $38 million through a satellite number of super pacs. that's $52 million, puts him in third place behind jeb and hillary. for a why who is ideologically in line with the base more than probably any other candidate running for the republican nomination. $52 million is a lot of money. >> chris we have an update on jeb bush on george herbert

walker bush. >> he's still in the icu unit. but i was telling somebody she got mad at me right here you got a little mad at me that we know when my dad gets in the hospital kind of pretty regularly at 91. he's a little frail. but when he starts telling semi-dirty jokes to the nurse, we know he's on the rebound. so i get this from my mother so you know it's not going to be r-rated. >> it's why we love former president bush and we wish him well. >> absolutely. >> thanks to chris cilizza, best update from jeb bush that george herbert walker bush is certainly recovering. and that does it for if this week for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." have a great weekend, everyone. remember, follow the show online on facebook and on twitter @mitchellreports. >> great to see you. thanks so much.

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pay no taxes for 10 years. all to grow our economy and create jobs. see how new york can give your business the opportunity to grow at ny.gov/business hi everybody. i'm thomas roberts. good to have you with me. we start with breaking news and b new details on the deadly shooting in tennessee as federal authorities hunt for clues about a gunman apparently never on their radar. we want to start with the senseless loss of these respected military members. two of the four marines killed in the attack have been id'd. 21-year-old skip wells and

40-year-old thomas sullivan. as far as this investigation the electronic devices of the shooter in the attack have been sent to the fbi's crime lab in virginia for analysis. authorities are looking into his travels in the past to the middle east. they say the shooter spent several months in the region last year. he also had a short-lived career as a mixed martial arts fighter right after graduating high school. one of his high school classmates spoke with my colleague andrea mitchell last hour about the person she knew. >> i mean there is no indication of that but then again, he wasn't you know, the guy voted prom king. he wasn't the most outgoing person. he was reserved. so i mean i guess he's more likely than some students. but, no, i would have never you know, justs a suchld assumed it. i was shocked to find out that it was him. >> msnbc sarah dalloff joins me now from ch