tv NOW With Alex Wagner MSNBC July 17, 2015 1:00pm-2:01pm PDT
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donald trump tops his republican rivals in another national poll. for the first time the entire democratic field is converging on one event in iowa. and the fbi's investigation of a black lives matter activist found tell in a texas jail cell. first more about the deadly shooting spree? tennessee. friday, july 17th and this is now. >> you have literally a state in mourning right now. mississippi. >> police say a gunmen never left his convertible as he fired at least 25 rounds into this military recruitment center. >> calling it an act of terror.
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>> the man to blame, mohammad youssuf abdulazeez. he did not raise aalarms with the feds prior to the attack. >> background in martial arts. >> the lone wolf copy cat terrorist presents even more frightening challenge for our government. >> a lot more points of interest that suggest he was somehow motivated to do this by some sort of overseas terrorist organization. >> our nation mourns the loss the senseless loss of four of our nation's heros. >> there are new details this hour in the investigation into yesterday's shooting of four marines in chattanooga. moments ago officials announced the case was being treated as a terror investigation. >> the active shooter situation is being treated as a terrorism investigation. and we will continue to
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investigate it as an act of terrorism until the proof shows us otherwise. >> this news comes as new details about the gunmen mohammad youssuf abdulazeez have come to light. authorities are now focused on haze recent foreign travel. in april last year abdulazeez left for jordan and returned in november. jordan wouldn't bother but yemen would be trouble. this afternoon homeland security committee cheryl michaelair michael mccall said in his experience it looked to be inspired by isis. >> my judgment my experience is that this was an isis-inspired attack. and it has been opened as a terrorism investigation by the fbi, which is a very significant event in this case. >> these new details come as the identities of the four victims
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have become public. among those killed. 40-year-old iraq veteran thomas sullivan sullivan. skip wells. sergeant dave wyatt. and the-- >> michael, let me start with you just in terms of the latest information or any further detail you can provide on abdulazeez's travel oversees. >> looks like he took about five trips to jordan in the past ten years. some of them were over the summer and for for several months and some in december for just a few weeks. it is not really clear what he was doing there. we also know that he want to canada in 2013 but the u.s. government still hasn't been able to determine when he actually came back from there. the real mystery is what was his travel all about? and did it really have an impact
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on him? >> do we know if he had family members in jordan. >> >> we believe he did. and we believe his father is a jordanian palestinian. so it would make he would go back to jordan. we've been told not to read too much into the travel or into the fact that the father was investigated himself roughly about eight years ago for apparently giving money to a group that had ties to terrorists. that was a long time ago the authorities said and they said that doesn't necessarily translate into what happened to this, the shooter in recent months. >> there's been a lot of analysis and discussion around the alleged blog. this has not been confirmed by nbc news. but a blog that mr. abdulazeez recently established. in which on july 13th he posted life is short and bitter. muslims should not let the
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opportunity to submit to allah pass you buy. there is that correspondence and then there was the character witnesses that we have in the form of former high school colleagues and high school wrestling coaches. i want to play a little sound from his former high school wrestling coach. >> he was one of my better behaved, you know, wrestlers as far as problems. like i said i had to ask him to do things. he would do them. no back talk. even when i'm pushing him, some kids buck you a little bit. he wouldn't do that. he was always very polite. very kind and he was humble when he was in high school. very social. very outgoing. i never saw a mean streak in him. if anything we tried to get him to be a little more aggressive on the mat. >> how do you pros these two pieces of information that seem to be at odds. >> the content os tftd blog aren't really clearly radical. and the descriptions of him in terms of how people interacted with him, we see that a lot in
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mass shootding cases. i would say that at this point it is probably premature to be definite this is terrorism case. i think it is appropriate to investigate as one which is what the fbi is doing. but right now we're not seeing the characteristic trail of bred bread crumbs terrorism suspects usually some consternation from michael mccall's comments. do you differ from that assessment? >> i would say it is too early to say that. in most cases with isis what we're seeing in recent years is that a lot of these cases are often somewhat ambiguous. but usually there is a pretty clear interest in isis a social media trail, some information on their computers. so until we see something like that i would say it is a little early to make that call. >> so far there's been an inordinate interest in his potential religious fanaticism. there is a quotation from his high school yearbook.
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it says my name causes national security alerts what does yours do? that is a statement many i think can sympathize with. and then the question how does someone go from seeing the state as onerous and unfair go to target a army recruiting center? and i wonder how you think we're doing in terms of a job at looking at the things that actually matter? >> well the quote that you just cited from his high school yearbook i had a tee shirt with the same quote. i don't know if i should say that. but i did. they were sold at conferences. and comedians who put funny things on shirts and people would buy them. and sometimes when you are an outside minority the idea of poking fun at things. and the mosque closed today for the biggest holiday of the year in mourning but also i think in fear for any retaliatory
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attacks. my point is how do people get to that point and what can we do to intervene? and we're afraid to even have those conversations. the minute we start talking about those things with vulnerable young men, we fear that it can be misinterpreted and then ourselves become targets of investigation. so we don't have those investigations and it forces those folks under ground or to the social media. >> in that respect perhaps the mosque should have absolutely stayed open on a day like today. >> i don't know what compelled them to do. but i do think it would be a strong stand to reject this kind of rhetoric and this is our holiday we're not going let extremism take it away. >> talked about the issue of the domestic terrorism and what you think that practically means. even today in the press conference there was o some, not walking that back but a reiteration of this is just what we're dahlcalling it. you are not supposed to read much into it.
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>> the terminology we use around terrorism can be problematic. i usually "domestic terrorism" refers to a movement that does not have overseas or component or influence. usually we're talk about white supremacist movement or antigovernment, anarchist arkarchist type groups. in the public dialogue and the law enforcement dialogue jihadist terrorism has its own designation. and you wouldn't normally call it domestic. but you know this is a case of impression on-- imprecision on the part of the speaker rather than ambiguity around the case possibly. >> terms of the weapons used here. we know he was armed to the hilt. we heard he was not wearing body armor but had multiple rounds. can you offer insight in terms of how he may have obtained those weapons? >> went to know a lot about the weapons beyond what they said
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today. but there's been a lot made of the fact of his travel or whatever. but he didn't really necessarily need to travel to learn how to do any of these things. this is not like he had to go to a training camp to learn how to use weaponry and stuff. all of that can be learned in the united states. and that is the difference that we see in these lone wolves that have acted out recently. is that they don't have to have training as terroristis. they simply go buy weapons and they can act out very easily. >> and when we talk about -- how do you -- what do you even call this? because it doesn't seem initially this is a coordinated directed assault. this is potentially some kind of radical thinking that has found -- that folks -- that disaffected young men in particular have found a foothold in to act out their sort of, hate filled sadistic fantasies
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or whatever you want to call what happened in chattanooga. and when we talk about that where does that intersect with the concept of the religion? >> young men fit somewhat similar profiles. is question is whetherre do they go with a grievance? he looks up the --. entered the anti muslim universal and got stuck there. and we don't know what happened yet to the abdulazeez that he started reading certain websites and they gave him a way to channel on the world and there was no one there to intervene. how do people find those folks who are at risk and give them an alternate lugssolution to their grievance. and the challenge is we don't want to go there because if anyone is listening they will assume we're justifying or promoting that kind of rhetoric
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rather than combatting it. after the break, gop candidates have heard all they need from donald trump. but their base cannot get enough of him. you will not believe how many republican voters agree with trumps incendiary remarks on immigration. and is it okay to like uber? the ride share company is dividing the presidential field. and "train wreck" hits theaters today. hey terry stop they have a special! so, what did you guys think of the test drive? i love the jetta. but what about a deal? terry, stop! it's quite alright... ok, you know what? we want to make a deal with you. we're twins, so could you give us two for the price of one? come on, give us a deal. look at how old i am. do you come here often? he works here, terry! you work here, right? yes... ok let's get to the point. we're going to take the deal. get a $1000 volkswagen reward card on select 2015 jetta models or lease a 2015 jetta s
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into a swimming pool with a few of your closest friends. that is the depiction of donald trump on the new yorker cover doing a massive belly flop into the 2016 pool. and it is more or less what is happening this weekend in iowa. where he joins a cattle call with almost everybody, except for jeb bush who may be spending his weekend deep in debate prep. head lines report bush is hard at work gaming out how to deal with the donald. trump presents a challenge for bush because he's a hand grenade. indeed trump has already tossed lots of verbal dynamite. >> i'm killing everybody on jobs. i'm killing on leadership. i'm dealing with bush. if i don't win that one i think i'm just going to quit. he's terrible. jeb bush he's totally in favor of common core. totally weak on immigration.
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think of it. the last thing we need is another bush. it took him five days to answer the question on iraq: he couldn't answer the question. he didn't know. if you go with bush you are going to lose. >> that may be an idea that is catching on. a new poll out from fox news is the second poll this week to put trump atop the pack of republican candidates. the same poll finds that putting aside the wording of his comments about mexican smexicansist ss rapists. an analysis of polling data reveals the trump coalition looks a lot like the rest of the republican party. joining me now chief political correspondent at vox, jonathan allen. editor alex vereen. and dave weigel washington post reporter. allen, how do separate yourself from donald trump when donald
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trump may actually represent a bulk of your party? >> it's a problem. i think jeb bush is going to have to talk about how he hear what is donald trump is saying and who he's speaking to and then make some sort of argument that donald trump is not actually going to be able to get the things done people want to do. but if he goes after trump in a way that disrespects the people supporting trump it just feeds trump. >> that seems impossible. i just don't understand how you could thread that needle of. maybe the mexican rapist stuff is a little over the line. but generally speaking i would also like to get mexico to pay for the wall. >> all of this grows for a real mistrust the republican base has for the media and it's been reflected in something that people did not predict when they were discussing whether trump would run. his approval rating has gone from negative 50 almost to about even. he is ahead of people like chris
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christie. he's around where jeb bush is. republicans agree with the message and there's anger that he's co-opted a message that frankly other republicans could use but without some of the language. the party is not in a policy sense dissimilar to what he's saying. they don't want immigration reform. they are not interested in totally debunking that. some voters don't want to and some of them don't want to. they just talk about it differently. >> the gop is split roughly 60/40. 60% are conventional mainstream republicans. while the other 40% are a somewhat more exotic variety, up from just a third a decade ago. i guess i wonder why if we're looking at culture and politics you think that the more exotic variety is on the upswing? i think that two terms of a
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democratic president will do a lot to really radicalize the opposition. especially when they face a realistic fear of a third democratic term coming. people who may have formally thought obama was an aberration have having to deal with the fact he represents a shift in the political environment of the united states. and then you lash out. >> well yeah. and it is coming at the terrible intersection in terms of demographics. not only are there more exotic republicans. there are more people of color who are voting who you need to win over. a latino study says the republican party will need to win more than 40% of the latino vote. donald trump is polling 71% unfavorable. jeb bush is slightly better. but if you are not completely disavowing trump's rhetoric i don't understand how you make inroads. >> the other percentage haven't
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heard trump speak. i think 71% for the democrats would be a real loss. i think what's going on is there is a radicalization of the elements who feel they have been expressed in favor of putting forward a so called electable candidate in the past. romney or john mccain in 2008. but i also think that by the time you see an election in 2016 whoever the republican nominee is there is going to be a real hunger for the white house and you are going to see those people who might have been radicalized come home to the republican party. >> the narrative, that we're out there and we're the real america and we've been suppress ordered or repressed and we're going to make our voices heard come 2016. >> completely. and if you do the math the assumption is that the republican party is going to hold around 60% of white voters
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and needs to win that many hispanics to make up its coalition. it can always win slightly more white voters and make that up. you saw the immigration debate in 2013. some conservative thinkers pointing this out. if we just stand for something that is agreeable to slightly more white voters you don't need that many hispanics to win back ohio and pennsylvania. >> the other thing donald trump does alex which makes him really hard to debate is he just lies about stuff. he just says things and then they are sort of -- they are the truth in the world of the donald. and nowhere is that more evident than in the inflated numbers we are seeing about how much money donald trump is worth. let's just play the sound. this is trump last night i leave in new hampshire. >> the hundred million dollars that he raised if you think those people are giving without
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favors. the good news, how much do i have? 10 billion. >> side note. he sounds just like christopher walken doingchristopher walken doing donald trump. his personal wealth is one reason they actually like him so much. to them i would say do you think anybody has actually made 10 billion dollars in this country without actually being beholden to some people. >> it is like reporting on scientology. am i gonna get sued? probably for that. >> probably. >> the problem is like you said. he can just say things with impunity. because the normal rules. very difficult to cover him because he doesn't care about being fact checked and will just brush it off if you say well you
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are incorrect. >> which makes jeb bush's debate prep john. i mean i feel like it is a fool's errand. because if he returns any volleys with facts donald trump is prone to saying you're just wrong. >> quixotic or quick sand maybe. >> i really think it is a challenge for jeb bush. and one thing hi might try to do is point out that if donald trump actually wants to control the border ushyou are not going to be able to do that without a comprehensive reform bill. and -- more possibility of illegal immigrants coming across the border. >> i see what you are doing and it is a logical argument. >> i know. >> and we'll see if that works. >> in the debate maybe you should just say you know what donald? you're fired. >> there you go. thank you you guys. coming up.
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yesterday jeb bush hailed uber to a event and hailed it a the model for the generation. >> we need to become much more dynamic through our government to respond to a really dynamic population. we have a static set of rules on top of the most innovative dynamic country on the face of the earth. >> republicans have all sought to align themselves with the company that millennial love and just so happens to be in high regulators. but the ongoing questions about uber's labor practices have kept democrats ss less than enthusiastic. >> it is also raising hard questions about workplace protections and what a good job will like in the future. >> joining me is host of the gist pod cast and business editor more mashable. mike, how do you think uber should be dealt with? >> the republicans are doing what they need to do. nogsing fit ingnothing fits into their
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narrative better. and uber is good. it is not as if it is replacing a strong bunch of unionized taxi drivers. it is replacing a system where tax medallions -- >> how do you really feel about uber. >> i think it is great. the other things the uber of this, the uber of that can really be eroding. uber in itself is not perfect but really good. >> uber is the center of a lot of lawsuits disgruntled trzhere is a real question about -- i hesitate to call it employer practice. because they don't consider drivers employees. >> kind of the avatar of the new economy, they have to prove it can work ethically. that is what we want from a really great media and tech company in the new age. but if you really look at the
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complaints about uber's new business, how are they worse than complaints about walmart or mcdonald's or all of those other places that don't get employees enough hours or pay too little or don't have good benefits? this is a problem with the entire economy and all of corporate america is going to have to deal with it and uber somehow just became poster child. >> i wonder, you know because there are a lot of coastal elite elites who use uber how much of the way do you think hillary clinton responds to this is fraud. you get a sense she might get a pass on something that is a legitimate question about the economy and values but maybe she gets a pass because so many people who are otherwise asking questions are quietly ordering ubers. >> and this is an issue where do you know whose going to get upset if you criticize uber is a bunch of new york residing media people. >> who taking your press conferences and whatever.
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>> honestly from strictically political perspective i think hillary clinton is doing fine by saying this raises questions about work. >> interesting questions too. i would like know the ideas. there is built in a sense that uber is awesome. there are some drivers that are happy with it. but then there are other real questions around it. and i feel like it is worthy of a debate. but i don't think we're going to get that. >> i don't think we will either. >> but municipalities can define them as workers and then that solves problem. >> and there is no -- amy schumer -- c 3 po's fing
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finger in her mouth and having a blind spot around race for some racist jokes. >> girl i won't do some racist impression. so don't worry. but she was just like girl. and i was like stop yelling we're not at the movies. i mean nothing works 100% of the time right? except mexicans. such a good movie. if you didn't see it, it is the story of what one crazed white woman or all latinas do if you cheat on them. >> let's start first with the race thing. schumer responded saying playing with race is a thing we are not supposed to do which is is what makes it so fun for comics. call it a blind spot or lazy but you are wrong. it is a joke and it is funny. i know because people laugh at it. >> i and i think comedians get a
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special pass. but were people really laughing at the absurd racism or the joke itself zwr a good question. because that looked like a stereotype you don't want to perpetuate. there isn't eddie murphy's raw where it is key chainteaching about race. this races a lot of questions about white feminism versus feminism towards women of color. if you are going to play with race it should be in such a way that it should be useful. >> and then i would go to the gq cover. here she is. she was on stage at glamour magazine awards i think a month ago joking about how women are objectified with objects related to penises on the cover of magazines.
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and then there is a photo where she is felating a light saver. >> i would say amy schumer has given us 4 or 5,000 jokes in 2015. of those 4,000, 3,980 have been great. >> so you are saying the batting average is high enough. >> these are artists who if we don't let them swing fur the fences they are not going to come up with inside amy schumer. they are not going to come one that 12 angry men. brilliant parody. that alone should win award for media sensitivity and training and everything. i think the joke the latina joke was lame at the mtv movie awards. >> there have been several jokes about latinos and latinas. >> when we play the clip it is not a huge strain in her comedy. and in you really want to parse it i think she was really making fun of her kind of didsy persona
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with some of the jokes we saw from her own special. and jokes don't have to do things like uplift. >> that is the question. are we asking too much of a comedian? >> my personal opinion is there is very little. when comedians complain about political correctness it is always tire som. but at the same time we cannot expect our comedians to be moral philosophers. and it is adoration support. >> who are they supposed to entertain? people who look like them? the whole point is you are supposed to entertain this at least in a way that people relate to. and it doesn't have to uplift it. does have to reveal or else it's not funny. >> and particularly on the latina stuff. it just seems really cheap. >> yeah. exactly. the as cheap shot. >> i do think that is a joke written for her for this really
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impossible gig. and i've heard she'd like that one back. but shes great. she doesn't have to entertain people that look like her. i think the tv show with abby. >> broad city. >> great show. i think we're in this phase of feminist comedy girls so sometimes you get it wrong. but it is not castigate. let's let them do what they did. >> let's let them laugh. >> i'll disagree with you. i can see a resemblance with you and amy schumer. it's the blond hair. and the princess leah look. thank you all for your time. coming up. hillary clinton has a problem with enthusiasm her own enthusiasm for running for office. mark liebowitz joins me to talk about his graeg great big cover
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first time ever all five candidates vowing for the democratic nomination will meet in iowa at the hall of fame dinner. in attendance will be lincoln chafee martin o'malley jim webb bernie sanders and hill rodham clinton. it is only the latest stop in the campaign working overtime to reintroduce hillary clinton or more specifically as mark liebowitz puts it re re reintroduce hillary clinton. joining me now is chief national correspondent for new york magazine -- the "new york times" magazine. wow, what a mistake. i take that back. you can just leave now if you want, mark. >> no it's fine. >> mark it is always a magnum opus this cover story of yous and i walked away with this one
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thing. is hillary clinton happy she's running for president? you quote her from 2014 the level of relentless scrutiny that stalks people in all kinds of public arenas it gives you sense of being kind of dehumanized, i guess. >> yeah. those are some big words. stalked, dehumanized. it really jumped out at me. first of all that is the terminology you usually hear associated with prisoners or people who have been abused in some way. and what's interesting in the question about, is hillary clinton happy that she's running for president? you sort of have to figure out what does happy mean for the bubble she's been in for many decades? and what is her perception of normal? she's human, despite how some people talk to her. maybe had a brush with normalcy over the last few years when she
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wasn't in office or running for anything. and i think she's probably nostalgic for that. but she's running because she wants to and it's what she does. i don't pretend to understand the calculus. >> identity seems to be -- the battle around self identification seems to be a long-running theme. and letters she wrote in 1967. since christmas vacation i've gone through three and a half metamorphoses and beginning to feel as though there are a smorgasbord of personalities in front of me. alienated academic involved sued pseudo pseudoreformer. what sticks out is the self awareness and self loathing. >> we should say right off that letter was not written to me. i would have been 2 at the time and we had never met at that
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point. this was written to a friend f hearse who grew up in princeton. she was at wellesley. and in reading those letters in connection with another story, you read them and you say whoa where is -- god forbid anyone find my letters from college back in the day. no one ever should have those exposed but because who she is people like me got to see them. it was indication of what should be obvious but is often not. is that there is someone in there that is very very different than the person we see on the campaign trail in the public self that's been so carefully calibrated over so many iterations. and it makes you hungry to want to know who it is and to see a little bit of it. and i think in the course of my reporting i maybe got a taste of it. but it was very very hard and i they that's been bourn out in this campaign so far. >> yes. things that would be maybe in
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other campaigns on the record were off. including the headquarters themselves. one of her communication said basically said the ground rules we've had with others in our office is that the office itself is off the record. it seems this week mark that that status changed and reporters were -- or the off the record status of the campaign headquarters changed. >> yes. >> which i assume was because of your story. >> you know every reporter wants to make a difference. you want to make a big difference. you want something on your belt buckle that really says i changed the world for a better. i created openness. this has been compared to glass nose to me. i'm guessing that the mood yesterday when they gave politico a tour, bloomberg a tour. i i guess whoever wanted one gave a tour on the record. felt like berlin in 1989 or prague or something. >> did you stand outside and say tear down this wall? >> i feel like i should have.
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madam secretary, here in brooklyn tear down this off the record requirement. but no yes, that was a real game changer. >> and we can thank you for that mark. last question. this statistic came out. on the day hillary sent out announcing her bid. many of the messages bounced back. do you think this is a well-run campaign? >> i don't -- i mean look i think there are areas in the campaign that have been you have to a really slow start. by a lot of indications things like the field operation, things like the policy shop are pretty solid. policy is what hillary clinton does. field was a big problem in '08. it is less so now. but no as far as communicating, the message, things like
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speeches. sort of figuring out and conveying to people why she's doing this i think it's been pretty challenging so far. and look i think a lot of that starts with the candidate. i think she, unlike barack obama, unlike bill clinton is not a great communicator when it comes to really placing herself in a narrative that can get people excited and it remains to be seen whether she can do that. you mentioned before the other candidates. that is her best assets going forward. it is a very weak field and the republican party is disarray. >> and now thanks to you donald trump's office must also be on the record. >> i try. >> mark. thank you. so be sure to catch our pod cast. on slate every tuesday. coming up three days after
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what's in your wallet? . this afternoon friends of sandra bland healed rally outside the sheriff's office in waller county texas. county officials say the bethdeath was a suicide and the autopsy classified it as self afflicted asphyxiation. thousands are calling for the justice department to get involved. she was pulled over last friday for failing to signal before changing lanes. authorities say she became argumentative and uncooperative and was taken into custody for assaulting a public servant. video posted online shows a male officer with both knees placed on the back of a woman believed to be sandra.
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the video does not show the moments that led up to the arrest. joining me now from the site of today's protest, what news can you tell us surrounding the events. >> i just moments left a press conference. it confirmed a few things. one, she was discovered dead in her cell at least an hour and a half at most an hour and a half after she stopped breathing. and the jail commission cited the jail just yesterday because they are supposed to be checking on inmates person to person once every single hour. now, they were also cited in the past for the same thing. an inmate hung himself with a sheet and they were cited for not checking on the prisoner. there is also video. not from inside the cell but from outside in the hallway. and there is no indication that anyone actually went into the cell. but as he said if she didn't kill herself, someone else did
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so they are working tightly with the fbi to investigate. still more questions than answers. >> the "ed show" is coming up next. good evening americans and welcome to the "ed show," live from detroit lakes, minnesota. let's get to work. tonight chattanooga attack. >> this is an investigation of terrorism. >> we will bear no expense in making sure we bring this case to closure for the american people. >> plus republicans rant. >> it is getting to the point of absurdity now the president won't say islamic extremist terrorist. >> we have the word islamic terrorism which the president refuses to use and no one
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