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. but as he said if she didn't kill herself, someone else did so they are working tightly with the fbi to investigate. still more questions than answers. >> the "ed show" is coming up next. good evening americans and welcome to the "ed show," live from detroit lakes, minnesota. let's get to work. tonight chattanooga attack. >> this is an investigation of terrorism. >> we will bear no expense in making sure we bring this case to closure for the american people. >> plus republicans rant. >> it is getting to the point of absurdity now the president won't say islamic extremist terrorist. >> we have the word islamic terrorism which the president refuses to use and no one can understand why.
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>> you're criticized saying you brought out the extremists, the crazies. >> they weren't extremistists. they are great americans. john mccain calls them crazies. i think it is inappropriate. >> and we'll have all five democratic candidates on one stage together. we start this evening with important updates on thursday's shooting rampage that left four marines dead in tennessee. a short time ago the u.s. attorney for eastern tennessee said they are investigating the shooting as an act of terrorism. >> the active shooter situation is being treated as a terrorism investigation. it is being led by the fbi's joint terrorism task force. and we will continue to investigate it as an act of terrorism until the proof shows us otherwise.
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we will let the facts and the evidence lead us where it may. >> and we are learning new details about the gunmen mohammad youssuf abdulazeez who was killed in a gun battle with chattanooga police. he had an american and also a jordanen passport. officials say he traveled to the mideast in april and when he returned in november he appeared more devout. he had grown a beard and his mosque attendance was up. abdulazeez spent time in jordan. all of his electronic devices have been sent to the fbi crime lab for analysis in quantico virginia. at this point the authorities cannot connect the shootings to isis. he was not on a terrorist watch list. the motive is still unknown. earlier today chairman of the house homeland security committee assumed this was an isis-inspired attack. >> my assumption is based on my experience. both as the federal prosecutor and as a chairman of homeland
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security. and that is we've seen too much of this traffic. there are too many of the warning signs. the targets are identical to the targets called by isis to attack. so my impression is it was inspired by isis. and it has been opened up by the fbi as the terrorism attack. >> and earlier the fbi was asked about the comments. >> that is a possibility we'll explore, just like any other possibility. and at this time we have no indication that he was inspired by or directed by anyone other than himself. >> we also learned the names of the four victims, the united states marines today that were killed in the shooting. thomas sullivan david wyatt. and --. today their bodies were
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transported out of tennessee in a convoy. a military spokesperson said they were being take on the dover, de where their caskets will be draped and a honorable transfer will be conducted. we'll continue to follow the story closely and bring updates as we get them. for more tennessee congressman steve cohen. i'd like your reaction to mike mccallul your colleague in the house assuming this is an isis-inspired attack. what is your response to that. >> i can understand why he said that. i respect mike and like mike. he went to military installations recruiting station and then to another military installation. look at his facebook posts. have to do something for allah. and life is short. and the high school quote of when you see my name at security it is a problem, how about
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yours? it is at least related to his religion and his isolation from the mainstream of american society. but i can understand why mike would think that. we were on a bravo alert. and if it walks, talk quacks looks, it is a duck. >> how troubled are you about hearing about his overseas travels and how does that play into it in your opinion? >> well i'm concerned, of course. he was of jordanian decent. i think he had relatives in jordan and he's been there several times. and it is understandable someone would want to go back to maybe their roots or family. and the fact that he made such a trip recently. i think service seven months to jordan. and maybe yemen as well. those are sites you could interact with people that could do harm here. when he came back he was more religious and devout.
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and certainly the last postings on monday about doing something for allah and life is short indicate he knew what he was doing and he was doing it in some manner he thought, to pay -- related to his religion. and it is so unfortunate that this is how they distort religion. and i think he did. >> congressman, your comments over the phone on this broadcast last night have sparked quite a conversation about how these military facilities should be guarded. beyond a reasonable doubt you said militaryt -- yesterday how said military members should be armed at these recruitings stations. do you standby that? >> i think they do. i think the military would know how to use their weapons properly. i sponsored and passed a right to carry bill in tennessee 20 years ago. it's been expanded further than should be to go into bars and almost require people to carry a
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gun. but i think somebody without a criminal record cleared a mental health background and done a firearms accuracy test and firearms test training to know the law and to be able to show they can use the weapon proficiently should be allowed to carry a gun. and essentially military people should. and if they had had those weapons on them i'm sure some of those men would be alive. maybe all of them. >> what are you hearing from your colleagues in the house about this shooting? do you think there will be any follow-up at all? or any kind of congressional committee discussion about what you are talking about right now? >> i'm sure there will be. we had a hearing with homeland security. and part of that hearing with secretary johnson was the distinction between terrorists at home that attack not because they are muslim terrorists but terrorists who attack in charleston the emmanuel nine and
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the oklahoma city and other spots. and a great deal of terrorism in both regards, american home grown terrorists attacking our government and being against any government authorities and then people who are inspired by isis or inspired by their religion and the koran to do something. i'm sure there will be discussions and the fact that this man was muslim and had an arab name is going to cause a lot of consternation. >> congressman steve cohen with us tonight here. appreciate your time sir. let me bring in colonel jack jacobs. medal of honor recipient. also lawrence korb. senior fellow of the journal of american progress. your reaction to mccaul's comments today. is that a step too far too early? >> not necessarily. it is certainly true he did exactly what isis exhorted people to do. so there is very little doubt
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that as a minimum he was inspired by what's going on overseas. probably not directed. but i'm very interested in his seven month absence from the united states and where he went after he went to jordan. investigation will turn up exactly where he went and what he did over time. but there is no doubt that this isn't just a garden variety crime. it is either a terrorist act or a terrorist inspired act. but i think all of the investigators, especially the feds are going to keep an open mind until they have up a theall the facts. >> what is mccaul the congressman trying to accomplish here as you see it? >> what he's trying to say is this is not only inspired by as jack just said but directed by. so therefore we augmentought to take more forceful posture in the mideast, send ground troop, step up involvement.
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i think that is the bottom line here. no doubt as jack said he was probably inspired by things he had read or heard when he was overseas. but the fact of the matter is directed is a big step. if you look at what happened in charleston or just what happened out in colorado they may have been inspired by groups but they certainly weren't directed by any of these extreme groups. >> colonel, congressman cohen of tennessee several times now says he thinks these recruiting centers should be armed. what if they were? what would that change if anything? >> i don't think they should all be armed. i think the defense department ought to make a decision on that oob case by case basis. take for example the recruiting station not far from 30 rock. it is over in times square. it is a small recruiting station. all the services are there. it is extremely small and dead in the middle of the time square, amid thousands and thousands of people.
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that is probably not a good candidate to have the recruiters armed. on the other hand there may be plenty of them that are more isolated where they can be armed and should be armed. but we have to remember this. once you arm them you have to make sure that they are capable of using their weapons in that environment. it is not enough to be able to shoot a weapon. you have to be able to use the weapon and be trained in using the weapon in an urban environment. that takes a lot of training. the police work on it all the time. so there is no reason why they can't do it. but this is going to require a lot more training and my guess is the defense department is going make the decision but do it on the case-by-case basis depending where the recruiting station is. >> where do you think the best is to secure these recruiting centers if we go down that road? >> i think jack is right, that
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you have to train the people. there is a big difference between fighting in a battlefield and dealing in an urban environment. but what really worries me is how did this guy get the guns. the whole question of our gun control in this country an ak ak-47. this is a thing we've got to stop. until we keep the people without the guns we're not going to stop these senseless killings. >> so you think more gun laws would have protected these marines. >> i think so. i think they are investigating, how did he get an ak-47? how did the young man in charleston get a weapon? that is what we need to know. i mean the whole idea if you look, compare this country to other countries like us around the world and the number of killings, we have so many more because of the proliferation of guns. >> jack jacobs. lawrence korb thank you for the
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understand that we will be thorough and prompt in figuring out exactly what happened. >> president obama last night addressing thursday's shootings in tennessee. suspected gunmen mohammad youssuf abdulazeez killed four marines in a recruitment facility. he's a naturalized citizen from kuwait. republicans are already slamming the president for not calling the shooting a term islamic terrorism. >> if you look around the world certainly it is there. there is something going on. but it seems so sad that a whole group of people have to be blamed. but it does seem to be happening a lot, bill. and whether it is here or in other countries, it certainly is there and there is a form of islamic terrorism. president obama refuses to use the term and nobody can quite
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understand why. >> this isn't just coming from the likes of donald trump. bobby jindal governor of louisiana, released a statement, "while it is too early to know for sure what happened it certainly looks like an act of terrorism. it is time for the white house and take up and tell the truth and the truth is that radical islam is at war with us. and we must start being honest about that. this is grotesque. you cannot defeat evil until you admit that it exists. conservative thought leader charles krauthammer also agrees. >> when we had the underwear bomber try to bring down a plane over detroit, obama immediately said this was an isolated extremist. it wasn't in fact. it turned out to be connected to al qaeda in the arabian peninsula la. so i think it is on whole six and a half years of obama always wanting to air on the side of
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down playing the threat. >> for more let me bring in -- gentlemen a question to both of you. matt you first. what difference does it make? the president yesterday in the oval office was clearly emotionally torn by the news that four united states marines had been innocently gunned down at a recruiting center. and he's being picked apart for what he's not saying. isn't that overboard? or do you agree with the criticism? >> i think it is unfair to almost act like this is a result of his policies. but i do think it is fair to say that after all of these occurrences we've had, ft. hood etc. that we augmentought to call it what it is. and the u.s. attorney came out today and said this is domestic terrorism.
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he works for the united states. why can't the president of the united states use the same words? i think there is a feeling in the country, ed that if we can't name the enemy, how can we fight him in every way we need to? and i think rhetoric and tone and words matter. in this case the president ought to be four square with these terrorists and the international community that we know they are coming to get us and we're ready and we're going to take them on. >> i think we know the enemy, matt. it is called isis and al qaeda. there you go. let's get them. i think it is pretty simple. we're not fighting radical islam basi because there is no such thing as radical islam. i know people will be angry about me and write about that. there are radical muslims. there are muslim terrorists who commit things. there is only one islam. just if someone attacks abortion we don't el call them
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a radical christianity. they are a radical christian. over 2,000 people are killed every year by gun violence. the man had a gun. colorado james homes, let's talk about that as well. fighting radical extremists is important. let's make it harder for them to get guns regardless of they are a radical on the right, an anti-government or islamic radical. >> well, is it too much to ask the president to identify what many americans believe is the fight to the death and that this is the nature of the war that we're facing now at home it appears. is that too much to ask of the president? >> no it is not. and i think he's doing it spobl and accurately. i had an opportunity to meet with president obama with other muslim american leaders. we had a conversation.
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his goal was to be accurate not politically correct. i think if he thought radical islam was the right term we'd be hearing. >> why doesn't he say we're in a fight with radicalized muslims. >> let me answer that. i'm not so sure this is the place to do that. i think the president -- >> well why did -- >> he's got the bully pulpit. but at the time he was commenting yesterday he was thinking about those four american soldiers. and their families. and asking for prayer. there is a million places the president could choose to jump in and identify what you think this conflict is. >> but how about today after the u.s. attorney said this is an investigation on domestic terrorism. i think now that person works for the president. i think now it is time for the president to say that is what this investigation is all about. now look if the facts come out different that is why you have an investigation. but the president time and time
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again. this is not the only time he has shied away from accurately describing what this is. and let me hit this gun we head on. the one gun control conservatives will agree upon is the radicalized muslims of islam should not be carrying semi automatic weapons because if they intend to do harm to our country they shouldn't have those weapons so it is a ridiculous argument they are about gun control. >> that is a proponent though. >> -- [ inaudible ] -- are beheading people all over the globe. it doesn't matter the type of weapon. >> the united states over 10,000 people murdered last year by gun violence. what is the religion of the people who pull that trigger? are you going tell me they are muslim? >> this is not -- >> [ inaudible ]. >> this is not about gun violence. it is about radical islamic terrorism. and ouflt the tweets and posts that happen overseas they tell
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us overseas we are going to take the great the -- we are coming for you. >> i want to ask both of you. what role if any, does the muslim community play in the healing process in tennessee? >> i think down there, i already spoke to one leader down there. they are having an interfaith event tonight, mourning together for the marines. the muslim community in tennessee have condemned. muslims across the country have condemned it. our thoughts and prayers are with the four marines and their families right now. we're all americans. we're all in this together. isis would kill me as quickly as any marine. even more so maybe because i'm a muslim and i'm critical of isis. >> the situation the president is facing do you think something like this stirs a political debate against the president or do you think most americans believe he has to go a step further. >> i'll just speak for myself.
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on these basic questions of national security is speak up and be bold. because i'm afraid that overseas these crazy people that want to do us harm don't fear us as much as they should. and i want to be clear. on these issues let's throw partisanship away. let's protect ourselves and let's protect the marines. >> do you think the president is not standing up for america? >> i want to bed a bold as we can. don't we all want to do this together? >> i think we can. we'll have an update from chattanooga and the community's reaction. that is next. and later donald trump's popularity in the gop shows a troubling trend among republican voters. that is if you don't like trump. the rapid response panel weighs in on the latest poll. stay with us. united states postal service? exactly. that's what pushes us to deliver smarter simpler
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we're continuing to follow developments from thursday's deadly shooting in chattanooga, tennessee. the community is looking answers and working towards healing. earlier today a vigil at the university of tennessee to honor the four marines who lost their lives. >> this is your community. this is where we live. and something happened here that should never happen. that is why we joined the military for this never to happen. >> nbc's sarah doll p joins us from chattanooga. sarah, give us a sense of what the community is saying and feeling today. >> reporter: i would say the community is united in their grief, their shock and united in their support for the victims, their families, the military and law enforcement. i'm outside an interfaith vigil that is happening right now. with people of all religions heading inside to worship together, to pray together and
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to just be together as a community. one person telling me they are not only going to come back from this, but they vow to come back stronger. and that is something we're seeing across the city. you know this investigation has been ongoing. there were officials on the scene all through the night and all through today. and as they worked people in the community were coming up carrying flowers and cards and american flags and leaving them at the base of the crime. not only in tribute to the victims but so that those working this case can see they have the support of the community and they are standing behind them right now, ed. >> nbc's sarah dallop reporting from chattanooga.
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welcome back to the ed show. i guess it could be a game show. it is time to play phoenix feud with senator john mccain and presidential hopeful donald trump. mccain thinks trump's rally last weekend was very bad news. he said the donald fired up the
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crazies. and activated a, quote, very extreme element within the republican party." interesting he said that. most folks don't say that. trump lashed out on twitter calling mccain a dummy. that's deep. mccain is well familiar with those extreme elements in the gop, isn't he? listen to the crowd in his 2008 presidential campaign rally. >> in short, who is the real barack obama? >> mccain supporters were just following the lead of his running mate. >> we see america as a force for good in this world. our opponent is someone who sees america as imperfect enough to pal around with terrorists who targeting their own country. >> in fair comparison john
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mccain wouldn't be the last person who can lecture a candidate about irresponsible leadership? he activated sarah palin as a national political figure. trump stoked the fears of voters by calling for the wall at the u.s./mexican border. according to the latest poll 70% of republican voters agree with him. extreme views aren't about the candidate named donald trump. they are coming from the republican party. joining me tonight, henry fernandez, and matt schlapp. great to have you with us again. henry, what do you make of this? mccain trying to throw cold water on those folks out there who were supporting trump who basically paralleled his campaign back in 2008. >> yes, but i think it is
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important that john mccain is coming out and actually saying the truth here that this is extremism. and donald trump is taking advantage of extremist elements in the party. i think there is a fox news poll that just came out that showed donald trump in the lead. but it also showed something very interesting. a strong majority of the people who were polled across the country dismissed donald trump as the candidate. and i'd never seen this language in a poll before. they dismissed him because they considered him a loud mouth according to the poll. >> well if he's polling well i think he'd probably take the number over the label. >> right. >> there is something amazing about trump. he just knows how to get news. but he's also nobody is really giving him any credit here. he is connecting with the poll
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numbers as far as 70% of republican voters agree with him on the wall with mexico. what do you make of it? >> right. >> when all these people like henry and all these elites say he's a loud mouth and he's whacko. and mccain takes him on as the crazy and i suppose i'm crazy too. you know you are just making him bigger. because, you know, what he is running on is a washington is broken outside of washington platform and he doesn't care what any of these people think about him. he cares about what people in the country think. and he's connecting to them. and polls are math and the math is simple. he's catching on. so what i think we're seeing from these other republican candidates is instead of trashing him, they are actually starting to mirror him and emulate him. you saw with this ted cruz and others. if john mccain is going to run against trump, i can promise you donald trump is going pick up another 10 points in these polls. >> what you do make of senator john mccain?
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is he trashing donald trump? is he saying the wrong thing? >> yes. he's saying something that actually helps the other side. he is splintering our coalition. our coalition goes from the center all the way to the right just as the other party mirrors the same on the other side. and a we've got to have everyone together if we're to win this presidential campaign. and i like the fact that we have presidential candidates who aren't speaking to strictly partisan republicans. they are speaking to independent minds voters. that is smart to do. if we can grab them as participant of our coalition we're going to win. >> what do you think of that? >> the latino decisions in terms of the polling latinos on political issues just released research today that showed that for the republican to win the presidential election they will need to get 47% of the latino vote. mitt romney lost. he got 23% of the latino vote. right now donald trump is
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polling at 13% among latinos. i don't think that donald trump is going to win. but he is branding the republican party right now. and so i think the democrats are pretty happy with donald trump. because he's making sure that latinos are not going to vote anywhere near 47% for the republican candidate. >> well george w. bush got about that percentage in 2004. he did great in 2000. we've done this in the past and we can do it again. >> he was very positive on immigration. and just the opposite of the messaging that is happening now. >> that is true. bush did want to do something on immigration. he just never got around to it i guess. i want to play this. >> i think he's a dangerous person and a lot of people find him sort of funny and they love
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him even, you know libertarian type -- >> all right. so that is the former congressman ron paul who ran for president numerous times. is he sending a warning or just campaigning for his son, matt. >> i think it is a dad who loves his son. i can't blame him for trying to that. you know this republican nominating process with all these candidates is wide open. and you couldn't really predict whose going to get this nomination. we don't really have a front runner. i just say this is fatherly love and there is nothing wrong with that. >> henry. head of the republican party has not publicly denounced trump's comments. when is he going to be labeled as doing the party a disservice with his silence? >> not only that but trump kind of disrespected him in public. i thought that was interesting. and that someone who has according to him $10 billion.
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and he's going spend some of it to get himself elected. the rnc has a grand problem here and donald trump is absolutely the person speaking for the republican party right now on immigration. and unless that changes i just don't see how they are going to be viable in states like virginia florida, colorado new mexico, where latinos and other immigrants, asian immigrants as well are essential to actually being able to win in those states. i think that is the reality. i think that is how this is going to play out. >> so both of you. matt you first. is john mccain doing the dog whistle here? saying houston we've got a problem with donald trump? >> yes. he is. and it is strange how the people like john mccain are worried about what is happening and the dynamics of this nominating process. >> i find that interesting too. >> -- what we're hearing on the left. and the fact is you can keep saying this same talking points about hispanic voters.
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i agree we have to reach out. but the idea of taking on crime and the idea that we can reach out to these independent voters who are economically insecure about their own job prospects in the fact their salaries and real take home pay has not increased. those are real issues and my party, the republican party reaches out to african americans and hispanics on cultural issues. >> the numbers don't seem to show that you are doing a very good job of that. >> well that's not true -- >> all right. >> the president i served did a great job with it. >> all right. henry, donald trump, is he hurting john mccain in arizona? that is the political accusation right now by mccain. >> is donald trump hurting john mccain or vice versa? i think there is an absolute division in the party and you are seeing that playing itself out, at the republican party.
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i do think it is interesting i get to comment on the goals of the republican party. matt might be better at that. but i think there is a real fight going in the republican party. i actually think it is a healthy fight to have when moderate republicans start to say look let's look at the demographic changes in this country. we've already seen a combination of younger voters women voters african american voters progressive voters latino voters. that that is -- that elects presidents. and i think that that is what this struggle is going to be about inside the republican party. >> well, as someone told me the other day they thought donald trump was a modern day archie bunker. i'm not ready to go that far but close. henry fernandez and matt, thanks for the time. appreciate it. still to come t democratic candidates head to iowa. as new analysis shows bernie
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. welcome back to "the ed show." the democratic hopefuls are heading to iowa for their first face-to-face for 2016. all five candidates are scheduled to attend a hall of fame dinner fund-raiser sponsored by the iowa state party in cedar rapids iowa. the brightest spotlights probably will be on hillary clinton and bernie sanders. according to the most recent
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quinnipiac university poll clinton has the support of 52% of likely iowa democratic caucus goers. sanders has momentum. she's catching up with 33%. there are different perspectives on this spread. these numbers. famed sports statistician and bracket guy nate silver says the bernie sanders surge is about bernie, not hillary. nate silver points out not everyone in the media understands the concept. he predicts bernie sanders might beat hillary clinton in both the iowa caucus and the new hampshire primary because of the demographics in those states. the vast majority of media is saying clinton needs to re-introduce herself to the liberal base which is the cover story of this sunday's "new york times" magazine. an associated press gfk poll released this week found she hasn't won over her party's most passionate supporters yet.
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during her first town hall on thursday in new hampshire, protesters broke out into chants after she refuse to promise an immediate halt to all fossil fuel development. >> so i will have to say to you i'm sorry if the answer the specific answer -- wait just a minute, dear. wait. now, wait wait. >> outdoor climate, outdoor climate. >> that's okay. that's okay. that's okay. i am all in favor of acting on climate. >> it should be noted net roots nation is holding a conference in phoenix and hillary clinton is not attending this year. i'm joined by john nichols, washington correspondent of "the nation" magazine. what is it going to be like in iowa tonight? it is going to be a barbless night for the candidates, what do you thing? >> i don't think there will be a
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lot of barbs tonight, ed. one thing to understand is that this is a democratic party dinner with a lot of people at it. roughly 1200 they're talking about. that's a huge event. and a real substantial portion of the people who are the influence makers the influence guiders as regards to caucuses. all these candidate will seek to make their very best first impression re-emphasize their strengths and also for some of the candidates introduce themselves to some extent. we talk a lot about hillary clinton and bernie sanders, but we should also be -- >> each campaign was given 200 tickets for their supporters tonight. so not any one candidate could load up the room which i think is very interesting. what about the prediction of nate silver or the forecasting that says that because of the demographics, iowa and new hampshire could be tough for hillary clinton because bernie
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sanders is in the race and gotten some momentum even though the number's 52-33 right now. what do you make of that? >> hillary clinton still has the lead. there's simply no question of that. and this is her challenge at this point is to make those connections, re-emphasize her strengths. obviously for sanders, he's had huge meetings and they've drawn a lot of people. but one of the challenges is to get people who come to meetings to actually turn up especially for caucuses. remember caucuses are demanding events. they are not merely going and casting a vote as you will in new hampshire. they are events where you have to come in, spend time kind of know how they work. and so clinton still has some real advantages here. but the people in this room in cedar rapids those are folks who by and large know how to do caucuses. so as a result the impression that these candidates make is very, very important.
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so you're going to see sanders really trying to connect. you will also see martin o'malley who has put a lot of energy into iowa and seems to be very committed to working that state. he is also really going to try and introduce himself in a big way and make a big impression. >> and finally, what about "the new york times magazine," their article coming up this sunday saying that hillary needs to re-introduce herself with the base. i find that rather interesting. i think most people in america know who hillary clinton is and where she stands on issues. what do you make of this re-re-re-introducing hillary clinton? >> well, it's always a challenge for someone who has been around for a long time. but i don't think it's news here. the "times" piece is very good. i've read it. but the important thing to understand is at the start of this week hillary clinton gave a big economic speech. while people were critical of it, it contained a lot of
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serious thinking and some depth. i would suggest to you that hillary clinton is already well into this process and she has some real strength with the base, but, as you suggest, this is a new campaign. she has to present herself in the context of this campaign and at the heart of this campaign are those core economic issues that she's got to connect on. i think she started doing that monday. i expect you'll see her really focusing on a lot of that tonight in iowa. >> she's got a lot of people on staff in iowa. she's got a much better volunteer effort in iowa than she had in 2008. only time will tell whether that really unfolds in her favor if it matters. she's always been good on foreign policy. and she's also been pretty doggone good on economic development as well. it will be interesting to see. john nichols, always great to have you with us. appreciate your time tonight on "the ed show." that is "the ed show" for this friday evening.
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"politics nation" with reverend al sharpton starts right now. tonight on "politics nation," breaking news from the death of sandra bland, a trooper involved in the case is put on administrative duty as activists march for answers. also was the tennessee gunman inspired by isis? new questions tonight as people gather to mourn the victims. and making a splash. how donald trump's belly flop into the gop field has them running scared, and how they plan to hit back. welcome to "politics nation." we start with that amazing cover of "the new yorker" magazine. they say a picture's worth a thousand