fresher harder farther quicker and yeah even on sundays. what's next? we'll show you. a key voice talked to us about iran. a mystery in chattanooga. a wildfire on a california highway. and donald trump. there's a lot to get to this morning. let's get started. ♪ ♪ good morning to you. thanks for getting up with us this saturday morning. a busy saturday morning. a lot of news and politics to juggle. we want to begin this hour in chattanooga, tennessee. last night fbi teams finished removing potential evidence from the home of the young suspect implicated in the shooting deaths of four marines. the fbi saying last night that

they've tracked down 70 leads so far. the investigation hasn't yet uncovered any evidence that the shootings were inspired or directed by isis about you they are being investigated as an act of terrorism. nbc news has learned 24-year-old mohammad youssuf abdulazeez spent much of last year in the middle east. it's a trip that friends and others who knew him say may have radicalized him. nbc's sarah joins us from chattanooga. what's the latest we know in terms of a motive? >> reporter: good morning, steve. that's what investigators have been trying to answer. they've been working around the clock to answer a number of troubling questions, but as you mentioned, most importantly, what prompted this young man to go on the shooting spree? this is being conducted as a terror investigation, but so far investigators have uncovered no clues, manifestos social media

posts that would indicate he was in inspired or directed by isis to commit this crime. we know he visited jordan where his father is from. authorities want to know if he visited anywhere else. especially countries like yemen. as for the attack a law enforcement source says he was armed with three guns. he was wearing a load-bearing vest that allowed him to carry additional ammunition. according to the fbi it was the chattanooga police who actually put an end to the rampage by shooting and killing him. several officers being praised in the last 24 hours after the police chief revealed that they risked their own lives to drag a wounded colleague to safety. that officer, we're told continues to recover. he is in good spirits although still in a fair amount of pain after being shot in the leg. and navy sailor critically injured, fighting for his life as well steve, as investigators work to answer the question as

to why the community still comes to together united in grief and in shock. back to you. >> all right sara. thank you for that. on the world stage, iran's top leader is saying this morning the historic nuclear deal reached earlier this week will not change iran's policy toward the united states adding that iran's negotiations with the obama administration were limited to the nuclear issue and that there can't be any dialogue with washington over any other subject. it will be interesting to see how those comments might affect president obama's ability to sell that deal back here at home. the clock right now, it is ticking on that front. in the next 60 days at this point now 56 days it's been four days since the deal was announced, so 56 days congressioncongress has to vote on whether to give its approval to the deal. nearly every republican so far indicating opposition to the deal. there is also potential for dissent among democrats. chuck schumer from new york emerging as the key vote on all

of this. the new york saefrtenator is close to hillary clinton. she supports the dealment. he is torn between progressive constituents who like a diplomatic approach to the iranian issue and jewish leaders who believe the deal makes iran less safe. i sat down with the senator to talk about what he says is one of the toughest decisions of his career. you are all over the news this week because there is -- the nuclear deal with iran and everybody is looking at this. it's now going to congress. congress gets a say on it. everybody saying the lynch pin is chuck schumer. you put out a statement saying you are going to review this carefully and talk to everybody. have you red the deal? >> not yet. i have been so busy this week in washington. we had the education bill on the floor. there was an attempt to dramatically cut funding.

it took a lot of time. we beat it back. now new york is held harmless and we don't lose funds. and we have the highway bill. we'll run out of highway funding come july 31st. finding a way to fund it in a bipartisan way, has to have support. i'm resolved this weekend to get in my little chair that i've had in my house for 32 years in brooklyn and read it thoroughly and then i'll talk to people. talk to the administration. i'm have a lot of questions and concerns on both sides of the issue. the one thing i'm going to do is -- this is what i've learned through the years. my 41 years as an elected official. on important things just do the right thing. now, you know no one has a monopoly on what the right thing is, but do what you think the right thing is. i'm going to spend a lot of time thinking about it learning about it and i'll just do the right thing. i'm not going to let party or pressure or anything else. what's good for america first and foremost and what's good for

israeli israel which i care a lot about. >> the reason all eyes are on you, politically you're pulled in two powerful directions here. on the one hand -- let me ask you from this standpoint. your party's president, a guy you have been close to barack obama. this is like the signature thing he's pushing for in his second term. he is seeing legacy here. could you see a scenario where you go against him? >> i'm not commenting until i read the document. that's what's going to guide me. when i think the president is wrong i go against him. i voted against the trade bill and tpa because i thought it hurt middle class incomes. president talked to me regularly on this issue, i told him. unless it changes, even if it helps corporate profits i'm not for it if it decreases middle class incomes and it does. there are times i've broken with the president before when i really think that i have a different point of view and the right thing is not what he is doing. i'm going to wait to read the document. i'm not going to comment on whether i will whether i won't,

maybe yes, maybe no. none of it is helpful right now. >> one more angle. i'm curious about this as well. you mentioned too you are a very sort of staunch defender of israel advocate for israel. >> yes. >> not only is benjamin netanyahu outspoken against but the leader is against it. you have the democrat and republican in israel against this. could you be pro israel and still be -- >> listen there are all kinds, many people many different places with many different opinions. i've got to read it listen to them but make up my own mind. >> final question on this. you've been in public office 40 years now basically. when you look at the stakes in this issue, the sort of the consequences of the decision you have to make on this, where does this one rank? >> high up. tough decision. high up. i've had them before. goes with the territory. that's why you're paid the big bucks, as they say. you know the importance of it

is very very real to me. i'm going to read it you know go over it with a fine-toothed comb, talk to people on all sides, of course, in the administration, and then because it's such an important decision i'm going to weigh it really carefully. that's all i can say. >> okay. senator chuck schumer from new york the key player right now in whether president obama's nuclear deal with iran will win approval from congress. you can catch the entire interview we had with chuck schumer as he weighs in on president obama's legacy the 2016 field. we asked him where he would live if he couldn't live in new york. he gave us a very interesting answer to that question too. see that entire interview tomorrow morning starting at 8:00 a.m. eastern time. this morning's panel. jonathan cape hart a columnist with the "washington post." ben, publisher of the federalist. senior fellow at heartland institute and susan page. bureau chief. talking about the politics of

the iran deal. susan, you listening to chuck schumer right there. the significance of him and his role in this as we expect republicans to be against this. are there major defections on the democratic side for obama and chuck schumer could determine that. >> i'm sure there will be. we see that already, some democrats are against it in part because of concerns about what it would mean for israel. the bar for president obama is low on this. the bar is just 34 senators have to stick with him, in case there is a veto which we think there is every possibility there will be of the resolution's approval. he needs 34 votes to keep the override from going through. it is very likely he gets that. the problem for the president would be that is not a really showing of strength for something that is such a landmark deal, but it is enough to get it through. the president has already said if i need to veto it i will. >> the immediate issue, i guess, jonathan is republicans control the house and control the

senate. there are expectations that the way this works, it's a resolution as susan says of disapproval. got through the house, through the senate obama vetoes it. you need the two-thirds to overryedover overrides it. if both houses of congress pass resolutions of disapproval, what does that mean? >> it means the deal is probably in trouble. that's why you see what we're going to see is an enormous battle. it's already started. you have got sort of the liberal, jewish group already on the air with ads trying to push members of congress to support the deal. it obviously supports the deal. you have the same thing coming from the opposite end, all focused on picking off enough house members and senate -- members of the senate to get to -- chip away from the 34 that susan was talking about. so, if it gets to that point -- look we've been through these near-death experiences with

president obama many times. so i think, if we get to that point it's not going to be that big a deal. but if he can't hang on to those 34 votes as susan said it will be extremely damaging. i can't -- that's not even sort of describing accurately how damaging it would be. >> ben, i'm curious how you look at this deal. >> from my perspective this is a deal that's likely to limp through. it's likely to get the kind of support as susan indicated, in order to sustain it. however, i think that the only thing that could possibly prevent that is the reaction that we're already seeing from other people around the globe to this deal particularly saudi arabia. already out today talking about the need now to become closer with russia with beijing, in order to basically say, look we tried this with our relationship with the u.s. we have to shore up the relationships. and already saying that they were going to redouble their efforts in yemen and syria because they feel like

essentially, once the deal goes through, iran will be able to have access to new funds in order to back up the forces they support there. i think it's news outside of the american domestic scene that could prevent the deal from going through and increase the clamor to the point where you didn't have those types of votes. i think it will limp through. >> could you see significant republicans, any measurable republican support for the deal? >> absolutely not. i don't think there is any -- the real force and motivation from the republican side is one that basically points to certain aspects of this deal as being not good enough. frankly, from my perspective, the president's own lines back in 2013 about what he wanted from this deal -- which actually from my perspective sounded like a pretty good deal in 2013. the republican attitude, even for a lot of the moderates in the party is essentially this is not good enough to sell to the base. >> this is how politics have changed since the reagan era. i remember when he was

negotiating with gorbachev. they didn't trust gorbachev. they didn't think it was a good deal for america, but he got democratic support. you have a situation where it's hard for the president to count on support from the opposition party. the parties are more polarized ideal ideal ogically. >> specifically, look at chuck schumer, jonathan. he is the next democratic leader in the u.s. senate. if it's a good year for democrats in the 2016. he has been so close to the obama administration on so much for the last six and a half years. here it is. this is what the obama administration sees as its signature push of the second term to get this deal that promise he made in the 2008 campaign about sort of opening up the world. this is such a big part of that. here is schumer. on the one hand he's pulled in that direction. on the other stand -- he is one of the most stalwart defenders of israel.

the leaders in israel saying this is a bad deal. >> as senator schumer said in your interview with him -- great get, by the way. the timing worked out just fine for you! he says he is going to do the right thing. he's going to do the right thing for the country. he's going to do the right thing for his constituents. i think what you're going to see is senator schumer having all of his phone calls returned any member of the administration wants to come by and sit next to him in that chair of his that he's had for 34 years and go over line by line with him whatever questions he has about the deal they'll do that. and he'll get the same thing from the other side. he is so pivotal. i don't know if that came through in the interview. he is the one guy the white house has to count on. because if he goes against this deal, that 34 you're talking about -- >> let me be a cynic. chuck schumer could come out against the deal but not in a way that sabotages the deal. >> that's right. there is a difference between being against it and being being

against it right. >> how does he do that? >> he says i have to be against this deal but doesn't do it in a way that makes the deal seem completely unacceptable and he doesn't twist arms to get below the 34 votes. >> with all the scaredy cat votes on the hill. somebody like schumer. staunch defender leader in the senate. if he even winks and says i'm not so hot on this deal doesn't it give anybody -- it sends a chill -- >> susan, that struck a chord with me. i am wondering if that's where we're heading here. the difference between getting up on a senate floor and saying that is neville chamber lane versus saying i get the administration's point. i can't quite get there. i'm voting no. there is a difference in tone there. >> it's a tug of war between what he views on his foreign policy and personal policies. he has been around for a long time.

he's experienced. if he wanted to kill this i think he absolutely could, but i think you're right, susan. i think it may turn out to be something along the lines of -- >> as he told us he's in his reading chair in brooklyn this weekend reading over the documents. when he announces it we'll see. do you remember this classic tv ad from the '80s? >> need to make the doughnuts. dunkin' donuts are fresh. we make them twice every day. >> that was dunkin' donuts iconic fred the baker. the fictional character that got up at the crack of dawn -- fictional character? i thought he was real. we talk to the man who actually has that job, the best job in america. he is here. first, the morning after, transition you -- awkward transition. stranded motorists flee on foot as a wildfire engulfed a southern california interstate. that's next as well. stay with us.

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interstate from los angeles to las vegas. for a moment just imagine that feeling that you get when you're stuck in traffic. you have nowhere to go. you're frustrated. then imagine looking off to the right and seeing a wall of flames barrelling straight at you. that's exactly what happened here. and people got out of their cars and ran for their lives. >> traffic is at a stand-still. >> reporter: there was nowhere to drive. >> my husband said get your stuff and go! >> reporter: no time to wait. >> cars burning. power lines popping. >> reporter: the raging wildfire hit traffic grid lock. packed with drivers on the main road from l.a. to las vegas. all people could do was grab their families and head to safety. parents pushing strollers. >> literally cars going up. >> reporter: away from a stretch of i-15 where one by one cars trucks and tractor-trailers were going up in flames. for over an hour those who ran

huddled near fire trucks for protection. >> there goes 1,000 gallons of water. >> reporter: helicopters and air tankers tried to put out the flames. >> a big wall of flames on both sides of this fire. >> reporter: meanwhile winds continued to push the fire farther into neighboring communities, burning structures and forcing evacuations. as the fire on the freeway died down families were escorted back to see what was left. rows of burnt-out cars and trailers, even a boat. the site surreal for those out for an early weekend. >> going to the beach one minute. the next minute armageddon. >> reporter: stranger still for people from out of town caught my slow california traffic and a wildfire that moved too fast. we have seen crews make a lot of progress on this particular fire tonight. back to you, steve. >> gadi schwartz in california. thank you for the report. amazing scenes yesterday watching that happen live on television during rush hour in

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our family hopes the people of south carolina will join us in staying away from the disruptive hateful spectacle members of the ku klux klan hope to create over the weekend and instead focus on what brings us together. another group, the black educators for justice is holding a counter-protest today also outside the state house. that group is run by the former director of the black panther party. joining me now msnbc's adam reece. an eventually few weeks in south carolina. the flag comes down a week ago. the controversy is not quite over yet. >> reporter: not at all. they're expected around 3:00. protesting the flag's removal and also protesting the fact that they say the government is trying to take away their confederate history, their white heritage and their culture. they haven't been here since 1988 some 27 years ago. we expect them this afternoon around 3:00. heavy police presence here. the southern poverty law center

says there were four million in 1925. today only about 4,000. they're a group, they say, weak divided and poorly led. around noon we expect another group, black educators for justice. we expect the two groups to be separated, maybe about an hour overlap. >> adam reece in columbia south carolina. we'll keep a close eye on what happens there today. in the meantime as we serve up a mixture of developing news and politics on this show over weekend we also serve -- you have probably noticed this -- lots of donuts. boston cream, rainbow sprinkles. sometimes our guests indulge on the air and after the show is over we always have a feast with the pastry plate that you see on our desk. we thought this morning we'd take time to talk to the man behind these tasty treats. this is maybe the luckiest person in the world, the chef who creates and who tastes doughnuts for a living.

dunkin' donuts executive chef jeff miller. he is in our studio today. he's set up shop in a corner. it's so exciting to talk to you. i love doughnuts. that's why we have them every week here. your job is to come up with the flavors, to come up with the types of doughnuts, boston cream, chocolate sprinkle. double chocolate. how did you get a job like that? >> i think i am the luckiest guy in the world. i think people imagine our kitchens at dunkin' donuts like willie wonka's chocolate factory. no better job than tasting doughnuts. >> your job is to tinker around what if we threw peanut butter and mash malao -- >> it's the worst idea for a flavor you've ever gotten? >> that's everyone's favorite question. what we're tasked with doing as chefs is creating the great tastes so we don't have mishaps in the kitchen. it's not like we're making a broccoli and cheddar doughnut for moms to have for their kids.

we're focused on great doughnuts like the boston cream. >> that's one of my favorites. there is a health movement in this country. healthy eating. farm to table. is that the -- >> yep. >> does anybody asked you to do kale or trendy health foods? >> i don't think i would put kale on a doughnut. doughnuts are about happyiness, right? i love kale in the right way. we focus on great-tasting sweet treats. you treat yourself that way with doughnuts. >> what is the key to making a great doughnut? >> oh i mean i thing it's just the care that our franchisees and our decorators put in every day to decorate them and make them look great in our back cases in our restaurants. >> that's the safe answer. you're not giving away the company's secrets. you're sticking with us throughout the show. you're over there working up a special design i guess, for an "up" doughnut. we'll unveil it later. we'll check in with you for some

of the stories behind your favorite doughnut flavors. thank you. we'll check in with you. actually right now we are going back to chattanooga, tennessee. sara joins us from there. what's the latest? >> reporter: some sad news to report this morning here steve. that navy petty officer randall smith the associated press is reporting he has passed away. he has died from his injuries sustained in that shooting. we know a little bit about him. he was in his mid 20s. he was shot several times. we were told from the beginning he was critically injured and fighting for his life. it now appears he has succumbed to the juries andinjuries. four marines were killed. two other people who were wounded, one has already been treated and released the other expected to make a full recovery. this fifth person that was injured, navy petty officer randall smith, shot several times. we're told has passed away

steve. very sad news to report this morning. another blow to this community already dealing with so much shock and so much grief as investigators continue to work around the clock to determine the motive for the shooting why this gunman targeted armed forces after others who knew him describe him as just a normal guy. what happened? what changed it? did his overseas travel have anything to do with it? was this possibly inspired by isis? a lot of questions remaining in the investigation. but the sad news that a fifth victim petty officer randall smith, has passed away this morning. back to you. >> indeed sarah. very tragic news. thank you for that report. as sarah says now, the count is up to five. five fatalities from the shooting in chattanooga earlier this week. we'll be right back after this. up! ♪ am i the only one with a meeting? i've got two. yeah we've gotta go. i gotta say it man this is a nice set-up. too soon. just kidding.

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unless there is a political revolution. >> bernie sanders last night in iowa calling for a political revolution. all five democratic candidates for president under the same roof for the first time this campaign season last night in cedar rapids where the iowa democrats held their hall of fame dinner. it was unclear going in whether the candidates would go after each other at the event so early in the cycle. or focus on their republican counterparts instead. listen to what clinton had to say last night. >> i am never going to let the republicans rip away the progress we have made! trickle-down economics has to be one of the worst ideas of the 1980s. [ applause ] it is right up there with new coke shoulderpads and big hair. we're not going back to denying climate change.

if you ask most of these republican candidates about that they'll say, sorry, i'm not a scientist. well, then why don't they start listening to those who are scientists? look i am not a scientist either. i am just a grandmother with two eyes and a brain, and i'm not going to let them take us backwards. >> all right! let's talk about that with our panel. hillary first of all. what do you make of that speech last night, susan? >> she didn't mention her opponents. not a surprise. here is what struck me. jennifer jacobs was conferring this last night. big demonstrations outside of young people. she went to the clinton supporters. protesters for clinton. they were told they were not allowed to speak to a reporter. why in the world would the campaign tell their own supporters who came out in favor of hillary clinton -- >> people outside holding signs. >> young people college kids i'm for hillary.

they've been told they can't talk to a reporter. why would you do that? this raised some warning flags for the hillary clinton campaign that is trying to control their supporters. >> narrative, narrative. >> nothing the supporters could possibly say to the press is worse than the story of telling them not to talk. >> you have young people -- what you would want in the des moines register is like suzy smith, 17, can't wait to vote for hillary clinton. quote, i love her! she is fantastic! >> i used to cover elections in jersey city. i remember jersey city is where they pay you 50 bucks a day in cash to go out and hold a sign on the street somewhere. if they were instructed never to talk to the press, that's how you knew they were paid 50 bucks. >> you have an opportunity to have someone on the younger side of the age spectrum saying something nice about hillary clinton and you tell them to shut up? that's a campaign that -- they're so focused on the control of the narrative over and over again.

they don't want to break away from it in any sense. that's a problem. >> look at the bernie sanders campaign. i don't think he'll be the nominee but he has a campaign people are enthusiastic and has a lot of energy. i interviewed him after he won the straw poll. he told me they were not aware of the straw poll until a reporter called and say, you won the -- i guess he didn't win it but did surprisingly well. >> 49-41. close enough. >> a reporter called him and said hey, you did really well in the wisconsin straw poll. they said there was a wisconsin straw poll? that's a campaign that has momentum and is fun to be part of. >> i stayed up and watched the speech last night. he introduced his own college group and brought them in to highlight the issue of college student debt saying together they've accumulated more than a million dollars of debt. the energy around sanders --

we've talked about this a little bit before. iowa, this is a state clinton has had her problems out there before. a lot of activists, caucus. this is a state that could be friendly to sanders. new hampshire is one. there are a few others. the question with sanders, though is is it can bigger than the predictable enclaves. >> i don't know. that's one of my many questions for senator sanders. i feel like i've seen this movie before. we saw it with governor dean. around this time when he was running he was high up in the polls. everyone said he was on his way to being the nominee. he had the energy of the young people, he had the enthusiasm until people actually went out and voted. i'm wondering if one, senator sanders has the staying power to get through iowa. two, let's say he wins iowa and new hampshire. does he make the clinton 2008 mistake and not have any plan for what comes after that? >> that's the other thing also just sort of the nature the

demographics change after iowa and new hampshire too. another thing, iowa last night, the hall of fame dinner. net roots, progressive activists, grass roots. meeting in arizona this weekend. all of the candidates on the democratic side out there speaking except hillary clinton. not speaking at net roots. is that a mistake? >> the thing that's interesting that's playing out in the democratic party right now, you do have a passion for candidates who are honest progressives straightforward about their views and who are authentic when it comes to their interactions with the progressive base. i think that really expresses the kind of frustration a lot of people have with hillary clinton, with the clinton machine. this is someone who has been backed by wall street and by goldman sachs and all of these people who -- frankly elizabeth warren and a lot of other people have been saying don't trust them, they're not looking out for you. i think this is a situation where you might end up having someone who gets enough momentum to make a mark but not enough momentum to really disrupt the clinton machine. >> it's interesting. you look at the challenge any

democrat like bernie sanders, for instance faces in running against hillary clinton. on the one hand it's a hopeless task to beat the biggest favorite you've ever seen on a major party nominating process. at the same time there is no better contrast for bernie sanders in terms of what he represents, in terms of his message of political revolution. he is running against a former first lady a former secretary of state. someone who has been close to -- all these markers of power and influence in the establishment. all the things bernie sanders defines himself against politically he gets to run against. in a way the sort of hopelessness of the task sort of elevates his image in a way. because this is the campaign he was born to run i kind of think. >> has he ben to davos? this is as big of a comparison you can get. if i was a young progressive, i would look at bernie sanders and say this is someone who understands my priorities, cares about them, cares about these issues. i'm not sure when i look at

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give folks guns. that doesn't -- doesn't solve the problem, doesn't make it any easier. i think it sort of diminishes the tragedy that the folks in tennessee are dealing with or the folks in aurora colorado or the folks in charleston south carolina. i wish we could have a real conversation, a real debate about these gun tragedies. >> well i feel like you know obviously we disagree about this issue generally. i would say, i think in this case, my initial reaction -- the initial reaction i heard from more than one journalist was sort of i was surprised. are they the only people in tennessee who don't have guns? from my perspective it's the equivalent of saying soft targets are appealing to terrorists for a reason. you would like to have fewer soft targets. a general sort of sense that there is going to be more of a presence there of security whenever they're looking at a mall a school or something like that. what's the best way to achieve

that, to make them think twice about doing something like this. i'm not sure bush walker or trump are coming on to the solution here but they're responding to a general push for people who want to protect the targets. >> the republican candidates not bush but walker trump, a few others we should point out too, also in iowa stoodtoday. a cattle call on the republican side out there. another headline from "the new york times" u.s. sought el chapo extradition before escapes. united states made the extradition request less than three weeks before the drug kingpin, i put this in quotes, escaped from prison. i mean every detail we find out about this thing, they might as well just open the door to the prison and say, please sir, go ahead. >> escorted out and driven away. this makes what happened in

upstate new york seem like child's play. >> that was a real escape. say what you want about them. that was a real escape. >> would you like help with your bags mr. chapo. >> it's like they're making ads. the corruption is so apparent. >> i saw el chapo burrowing out of prison right to the trump headquarters. >> from the "new york post." obama's waldorf snub sparks hotel bidding war. first time in decades -- this is a tradition for a u.s. president to stay at the waldorf astoria hotel here in new york city. "up" guests i believe stay at the astoria. >> not me! >> we give you dorms at nyu. >> chinese ownership is the reason. >> right. so this is the story that the hotel has been sold off to a chinese company. there are fears of you know

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a fifth person dies as a result of the chattanooga shootings. ♪ ♪ thanks for staying with us. lots to get to this hour. the latest on the california wildfire that engulfed an interstate yesterday. the new voices speaking out about the iron deal. and the reveal of our special flavored "up with steve kornacki" doughnut later on. we begin in chattanooga, tennessee, where now a fifth person has died as a result of injuries suffered in thursday's shooting. sarah dallof joins us with the latest from chattanooga. sarah. >> reporter: good morning,

steve. the u.s. navy confirms the navy sailor identified by friends and family as petty officer randall smith succumbed to his injuries overnight. he passed away just after 2:00 a.m. smith was reportedly in his mid 20s. he was hit several times in the shooting on thursday. he becomes the fifth fatality of this rampage, four marines were also killed. this is just a heart-breaking news to the already grief-stricken community who continues to come out this morning to leave flags and flowers at the base of this growing memorial outside the site of the first shooting scene. now, investigators continue to work around the clock. they're delving there the background of the suspect. they're trying to find any clues as to a motive. they are doing this as a terror investigation, but they say so far they have uncovered nothing, no videos no social media postings or manifestos to indicate he was influenced or directed by isis. they have -- we have also

learned more about the weapons he used in this case. he had three guns according to a law enforcement source. ak-47-style assault rifle. .12-gauge shot gun and and .9-millimeter pistol. he was wearing a load-bearing vest to allow him to carry additional ammunition. they say it was gunfire from the chattanooga police department who stopped him, putting an end to the rampage. the investigation continues. a lot of people in the community as well as law enforcement, steve, today waking up once again to ask why. back to you. >> sarah dallof in chattanooga. thanks for joining us. in some respects the suspect appears to represent the intelligence community's worst nightmare. someone unknown to the fbi planning an attack all on their own. virtually impossible to prevent. federal agencies may not have been looking at mohammad youssuf abdulazeez as a terror threat before the rampage but they're investigating the shootings as an act of terrorism.

joining us retired army colonel jack jacobs. this is everybody's nightmare. it's scary enough when you're talking about some international organization that's coordinating these things planning these things. at least there there is a chance to go in and disrupt it somehow. listen in or whatever it takes to stop it. when you talk about a lone wolf somebody maybe on the internet sees something, so much of it is taking place in their head. how do we as a country formulate a strategy to deal with that? >> with great difficulty. you can't have an over all strategy with an enemy that's fragmented like this. it's hard to find out and head off attacks before they happen. you need really good intelligence. the only way to get that is to overcome the objection to scrutiny of people's cell phones email accounts and so forth. that's not going to happen anytime soon. so it requires good intelligence, very, very hard to come by.

>> is there -- when you look at -- there is this report of a trip he took maybe a year or so ago over to the middle east. now the fbi is investigating whether that had something to do with his radicalization. just finding out here whether this was inspired in the sense that he just -- it was something internal versus there was some actual coordination overseas. that's a pretty big difference. >> it is. i think in this case we're going to find it was just inspired. isis has been ex or thinghorting people to do something like this for a long time. this isn't the first time somebody responded. it goes back to what you just said. this is your worst intelligence nightmare. out of the blue home-grown threat that's not coordinated by somebody outside. or even inside. it's just inspired by outside. there was evidently nothing to indicate that the guy had any indication to do this before he went overseas. he was gone for seven months. went to jordan.

we don't know where he was after that. it will be interesting to find out where he was while he was overseas. what is also interesting is to find the trail on the weapon. these kinds of weapons are not difficult to get. there are a lot of them around and so on. evidently nobody knew that he had this weapon. where did he get the weapon? when did he get it? and so on. >> also the fact that this plays out in chattanooga, so much of our concerns about terrorism since 9/11, the major obvious targets, new york washington, l.a. something like that a major airport. when this plays out in a chattanooga, tennessee for instance, it suggests maybe people in places that weren't expecting this sort of thing have to be on higher guard now. >> well everybody does. of course there has been a lot of talk about what we should do about the military people in installations like this national guard and reserve installations, what do we do about defending recruitment stations. we have one right down here what a couple blocks away in times square. small recruitment station.

non-commissioned officers to recruit people. in the middle of times square where there are thousands and thousands of tourists all the time. how do you secure those? >> i think the decisions that are going to have to be made about physical security will be made on a case-by-case basis. should people inside these facilities have weapons? should they be loaded? probably in some cases yes. in other places they are not going to be able to do it. if you arm them you better train them so they can operate in this type of environment. military recruiters don't get this training. we have to change the way we train them. that's a sad state of affairs. >> thank you. in reaching president obama's nuclear deal with iran secretary of state john kerry joined the record books, spending more time on a single negotiation than any u.s. secretary of state in more than three decades. his most recent trip to vienna lasting nearly three whole weeks. now the obama administration is set to spend possibly even more

time trying to convince congress not to kill this deal. for more on that nbc's kristen welker joins us from the front lawn of the white house. new round of diplomacy of the white house. they have to keep their party from revolting on this issue. >> reporter: the next big battle on the iran deal steve. white house officials know realistically they'll probably not get the deal approved by congress as you pointed out. the goal is really to try to get a veto-proof number of law makers on board. that will require a lot of democrats. having said that this is really important for the president politically. he wants robust support from law makers to try to present a united front to the trasht community international community. president obama, top officials here will try to build up the support. we saw the strategy start to emerge this week. you had vice president joe biden meeting with law makers on

capitol hill. president obama held the memorable press conference that lasted for more than an hour. you'll recall he actually asked for more questions once his list of reporters had run out. then, of course his weekly address which we saw today, not surprisingly also focuses on the iran deal. the central argument that the administration is making is that this deal ultimately makes the world safer by preventing iran from getting a nuclear weapon. opponents have been countering that, look this deal only limits iran's nuclear program. it doesn't do what it was intended to do which was to stop the nuclear program altogether. that's part of the debate you'll hear. one factor complicating president obama's put to get the deal approved. it happened before congress has gotten to vote on it. close has 6 o days. the white house says they won't begin implementing the plan until the congressal review is

finished. personally, steve, i spent time on capitol hill this week. i can tell you some of the president's most ardent supporters are skeptical of the deal. the white house has its work cut out for it this week steve. >> kristen welker live at the white house. thank you. president obama now facing opposition. as we say not just from republicans but also from democrats who fear the deal puts israel in danger. democrats like senator chuck schumer of new york caught between some of his constituents who are opposed to this members of the liberal base of his party who approve of a diplomatic solution. whether or not congress approves the deal will come down to law makers like chuck schumer. if he votes against it it could be tougher for the pact to survive. i got a chance to sit down with senator schumer who told me his decision on the iran deal is one of the toughest he's faced in more than 40 years in oifs.ffice. played a little bit of this for you this morning. but we'll play more of it again

right now. >> you are all over the news this week. the nuclear deal with sdirn everybody iran. everybody is looking at this. everybody saying the lynchpin is chuck schumer. which way will he go? you put out the statement saying you'd review it carefully and talk to everybody. have you read the deal at this point? >> not yet. i have been so busy in washington. we had the education bill on the floor. there was an attempt to cut funding from new york and the other states. send it to the south and west. we beat it back. new york is held harmless. we don't lose funds. we have the highway bill. we'll run out of highway funding july 31st. finding a way to fund it in a bipartisan way. i've been so busy. this weekend i'm going to get in my chair i've had in my house for 32 years in brooklyn and read it thoroughly and quietly.

then i'll talk to people talk to the administration. i'm sure i'll have questions and concerns on both sides of the issue. the one thing i'm going to do is -- this is what i've learned through the years. my 41 years as an elected official is on important things, just do the right thing. now, you know no one has a monopoly on what the right thing is, but do what you think is the right thing. i'll spend a lot of time thinking about it and learning about it and then i'll do the right thing. i'm not going to let party or pressure or anything else. what's good for america first and foremost and what's good for israel which i care a lot about, of course. >> the reason all eyes are on you is because, politically you're pulled in two very powerful directions. let me ask you from this standpoint. your party's president, a guy you have been close to barack obama, this is like the signature thing he's pushing for in his second term. he is seeing legacy here. could you see a scenario where you go against him? >> i'm not going to comment until i read the document. that's what's going to guide me.

when i think the president is wrong, i go against him. voted against the trade bill and tpa. i thought it hurt middle class incomes. president talked to me regularly on the issue. but i told him, unless it changes, even if it helps corporate profits i'm not going to be for it if it decreases middle class incomes and i think it does. there haven about times i've broken with the president before when i really think i have a different point of view and the right thing is not what he's doing. i'm just going to wait to read the document. i'm not going to comment on whether i will whether i won't, maybe yes, maybe no. none of that is helpful right now. >> one more angle. i'm curious about this as well. you mentioned, too, you are a staunch defender of israel advocate for israel. not only is benjamin netanyahu very outspoken against this the prime minister of israel. but the leader of the opposition is also against this. you have basically the democrat and republican in israel against this. could you be pro-israel and still be -- >> look there are all kinds --

many people many different places have many different opinions. i've got to read it listen to them but make up my own mind. >> let me just -- final question on this. you have been in public office you know 40 years now basically. when you look at the stakes in this issue, the sort of the consequences of the decision you have to make on this where does this one rank in terms of tough decisions? >> high up. tough decision. high up. i've had them before. goes with the territory. that's why you're paid the big bucks, as they say. and, you know the importance of it is very very real to me. i'm going to read it go over with it a fine-toothed comb. talk to people on all sides, of course, the administration and then, because it's such an important decision i'm going to weigh it really carefully. that's all i can say. >> okay. senator chuck schumer of new york. he is the key player in whether president obama's nuclear deal with iran gets approval from congress. you can catch the rest of that interview with senator schumer as he weighs in on president obama's legacy the 2016 field,

a lot more too. it was a very fun interview. we'll show it all to you tomorrow morning on the show starting at 8:00 a.m. eastern time. this morning in southern california, firefighters trying to get a new wildfire under control. 130 hearing impaired children evacuated from a camp near wrightwood, california, this morning. a fire breaking out there overnight. yesterday a scene that looked right out of a hollywood movie, cars and trucks were engulfed in flames in the middle of a major interstate. motorists making a break for it on foot to escape the smoke and flames. the hot zone for both fires north and east of los angeles. nbc's gadi schwartz is in southern california near the freeway where crews have been working overnight to contain the wild fires. gadi, what's the latest? >> reporter: this all started as frustration in traffic. people stuck in their cars, stuck in the standstill. then they looked to the right and saw a huge wall of flames

coming straight at them. there was nowhere to drive. >> my husband just said get your stuff and go! >> reporter: no time to wait. >> could see cars burning, power lines popping. >> reporter: as the raging wildfire hit traffic gridlock. >> there is just nowhere to go. >> reporter: packed with drivers on the main road from l.a. to los angeles. >> there was people crying kids crying. people didn't want to leave their babies or cars. >> reporter: all people could do was grab their families and head to safety. parents pushing strollers. away from a stretch of i-15 where cars trucks and tractor trailers were going up in flames. for over an hour those who ran huddled near fire trucks for protection as tankers and helicopters tried to put out the flames. >> a big wall of flames on both sides of the fire. >> reporter: meanwhile winds continued to push the fire

farther into neighboring communities, burning structures and forcing evacuations. as the fire on the freeway died down families were escorted back to see what was left. rows of burnt-out cars and trailers, and even a boat. the site surreal for those out for on early weekend. >> one minute going to the beach. next minute armageddon. >> reporter: stranger still for people from out of town. caught by slow california traffic and a wildfire that moved too fast. good news is crews have been able to make progress on this fire overnight. however, there is another fire about 20 miles from where we are that we're monitoring as well. that is a fire that is threatening a girl scout camp we understand 300 girl scouts have been evacuated. 130 of them possibly hearing impaired. and we understand more evacuations are under way. back to you in the studio. >> all right. gadi schwartz in southern california. thanks for that report. still ahead, how much is donald trump really worth?

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-- agreements with richard nixon. he understood there was the prospect, the possibility that china could take a different path. you test these things. and as long as we are preserving our security capacity as long as we are not giving away our ability to respond forcefully militarily, where necessary to protect our friends and our allies, that's a risk we have to take. >> president obama on tuesday discussing the iran nuclear deal. using richard nixon's historic

1972 trip to china as a reference point. ex empli fiing the need to engage our most deeply seeded adversaries. joining us now is michael beschloss. along with the panel. jonathan cape heart with the washington post ben with the heartland institute and usa today's susan paige. michael. on the historical comparison. historical comparisons abound when it comes to the iran deal. the opponents invoking neville chamber chamber chamber chamberlane in 1988. when obama is invoking china, nixon and china in 1972. is that apt? >> yeah in a way it is. it sort of shows, by the way, how far richard nixon has come in terms of being historically rehabilitated. very few previous presidents probably would have strained to compare themselves to nixon thinking that was a good thing. but his point, i think, is

right. that is that nixon, in the early 1970s, no one else who could have been president in 1972 or in those years would have done this realized that china was likely in a pretty short period of time going to get economically and politically powerful and it was important for the united states to do that with a strong relationship or at least the start of a relationship with china after decades of silence. that's why he went to china. the part of the comparison that we do not know is this. from the standpoint of here we are 43 years later. nixon's decision was brilliant and foresighted and most of us are very glad he made it. we cannot know 43 years from now how the iran deal will look. >> the other question is the idea only nixon could go to china. i always interpreted that as nixon was mr. anti-communist,

mr. cold war. the fact somebody who was so staunchly anti-communist looking for the opening with red china, i wonder if it applies in this case with obama. he came to office saying he wanted to open the dialogue with iran. he was being hit from the right on this. it's not so much a surprise that he's doing this. >> yes, that is true. so great was the feeling, steve, 1961, john kennedy was about to become president. met with president eisenhower, outgoing. he said one of two things will bring me out of retirement to criticize you in public. one of them is if you tried to create a relationship with what was called at the time red china. the other thing that is parallel is that in obama's case he was able as nixon was to say, all these people who are saying i am going to pay a big political price if i try to do this relationship i can surmount that. similar to the relationship with

cuba. almost until the eve of barack obama's decision to renew relations with cuba a lot of people in this country would have said no president would dare do that. the political price would be too great. >> let me bring the panel in. the idea of the president's legacy. we talk in the second term he hasn't had much luck getting things through congress. but on foreign policy there is much more of an opening. >> this iran deal is a big thing, right? this will be a big achievement if it gets in place. of course michael is right that we'll need some time decades, to know exactly how it works out. after 40 years of really estrangement to have -- reached a negotiated settlement that at least presents a possibility of a more fruitful relationship that is a huge thing. president obama is also on his way to getting the pacific trade deal that he wanted. that's not done yet, but i think the white house is optimistic that's going to work out. these are pretty significant achievements for the president. as you say it's in the last two

years of his second term. a time when presidents often turn to foreign policy. >> i find this interesting. it leads to something you were talking about in the interview with michael. and that is president obama came into office saying this is what i will do. he was called naive, irresponsible by hillary clinton at that debate in 2007. and so when you've got tpp, when you have this iran deal what that says to me is that senator barack obama meant what he said. elect me president, and this is what i'm going to do. >> it's refreshing i guess in a way. we talk about campaign promises that were broken. eight years ago he was talking about it. my thanks to michael beschloss. still aidehead. one of the questions still ahead. nothing to do with the question of who will win. still ahead, what we know about the fifth person to die as a result of the chattanooga shootings. that is next. stay with us.

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something we might see on the pastry plate any time soon? >> we have a chips ahoy doughnut. we've taken cookie dough, right, and we've put it inside the doughnut. the great part about making cookies where you have the grainy brown sugar, you look it off the spatula or spoon when you were a kid. that's inside the doughnut. we have one of america's favorite cookies, chips ahayoy, on top. >> the cookie dough is inside the doughnut. >> yes. >> is this is low-cal. less than 100 calories. >> as long as you keep your eyes closed when you eat it. >> i like that advice. we'll check in with you later in the show. cannot wait to see what the "up" doughnut looks like. still ahead. what did mark stanford's know about the hike on the appalachian trail. his speech writer will talk about that. next what do we really know

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donald trump has done something that many who follow politics closely thought he never would. he has filed a financial disclosure document with the fec, the federal election commission. a full report. financial disclosure form that donald trump had to submit if he was serious about running for president. it's a document that he had to file in order to be taken seriously in return. now we will not be able to look at the document closely until the f.e.c. releases it publicly. they have 30 days to do that. he issued a press release in which he tells us what he says he is worth. he says his net worth is in excess of $10 billion. more than $213 million of that the money he claims he was paid for hosting the "celebrity apprentice." the report doesn't require candidates to reveal specific dollar amounts for most

categories. they only need to check a box giving a range of income. so even with this disclosure document, even once we see it we still won't truly know what trump is worth. we probably never will. we only have trump's word for it. some have disputed his claims about income in the past. in 2006 "new york times" reporter timothy o'brien wrote a book in which he placed his wealth far below trump's estimates. trump sued him for defamation and lost the lawsuit. it was dismissed. having traced his finances. forbes magazine currently estimates that donald trump is worth $4 billion. 40% of the 10 million that trump is now claiming. four years ago there was a report in the "new york post" that quoted sources saying trump had signed a new deal in which he would earn $65 million a year for hosting two seasons of the "celebrity apprentice." with trump himself announcing

long before that he wouldn't be running for president in 2012 because doing so would interfere with his career in television. at the time nbc issued a press release calling the post's report grossly inaccurate and adding the numbers it cited were significantly overstated and not in the realm of reality. it's safe to say the political world can't get its hands on donald trump's financial disclosure form to the fec soon enough. once it is public expect everyone to go over it with a fine-toothed comb. even after doing that we still may never know if donald trump's claims of what he is worth are, again, in the realm of reality. we're joined now to talk about all of this once again, robert costa were the washington post from d.c. on the set. lawrence o'donnell, host of "the last word." lawrence. >> it cracks me up every time i hear nbc say that donald's estimates of what he was making there was not in the realm of

reality. the network never had to do that with any other performer they have had in their entire history. they've never had to make that statement. >> what do you make of this? at a certain point once you get over a billion or two billion, does it really matter? when he's saying ten billion, what do you make of it? >> i talked about it the other night on the show. i got a wise tweet after wards saying this doesn't matter. to which i completely agreed. everything you were reading off, i was thinking hmm, hmm, it's a fun story you just told including the very important point that these fec documents won't solve the mystery. that's -- i think a lot of people in the political media do not understand those documents. a lot of them have never looked at them. they've been expecting that they're going to now finally have these proofs about this money. they won't. and another very important thing. there is no penalty, no penalty, for overstating your income in this fec document.

you know there is nothing -- you can't get in any trouble for doing that. so yeah. i think he's going to have a bunch of boxes checked that say over $50 billion for asset categories and some boxes checked that say over $5 million for income. and, you know who knows. >> robert costa, this is -- i can remember having this discussion with people four years ago in 2011 when trump was flirting with running back then. the standard line you would hear from people is he's never going to actually go through with it because he doesn't want to fill out this form the form lawrence was describing. i was probably saying it myself over the last few months as he was flirting with 2016. now he's done it. he has done the thing a lot of people were saying for years, this -- if there was anything to keep him out of a presidential race it would be this. was this a factor for him four years ago? is it something he didn't want to do? >> i don't think the financial disclosure forms wrere a factor

for him. he said he only needs to check the box, as you say, for $50 million or more. he doesn't feel like it's intrusive in terms of his finances. four years ago, in his mind he wanted to continue to do "the apprentice" and that was on the forefront of his agenda. >> lawrence, people have -- somebody explained this or described it to me this way. donald trump, whatever he's worth, he is a rich guy. we know that. the question i guess, in terms of the media's interest in his wealth and claims and everything beside the fact that he makes the claims and you want to try to verify them is is he as top-tier wealthy as he makes himself sound like or is he more a rich guy who is a character who plays a really rich guy? >> the question between him and say, forbes is it $10 billion or $4 billion. that's the question. if you measure the world the way donald appears to if you do that, then i don't know what you call him. he is nowhere near mike

bloomberg. he is nowhere here warren buffett, bill gates. nowhere near. if you live in a world where what you want to say is the amount of money you've made is the most important representation of your value and your success, donald's not in a great position compared to a lot of guys on wall street whose names we don't even know. >> it's central to the character he's created. >> yeah. >> the idea that you associate him with those. robert, go ahead. >> when you look at what mr. trump has released so far, and i've asked him about this. as lawnsrence said his brand is what he values very much. on his disclosure form it's about $3 billion. that's what he values his brand at. when you look at the rest of his holdings, so much of it is real estate. he estimates some are a billion dollars in wort. it's estimated holdings. in the complicated world of real estate and brand, it's not like

money in the bank. it's valuing things that don't have a specific value in terms of what it cost or what's invested. >> there was a wonderful revelation under oath in the lawsuit i would say he unwisely brought against timothy o'brien's book. in which donald under oath in the deposition says his value fluct waistfluctuates according to his mood. the thing robert was just talking about, how much his brand value is worth, you know. it's -- it is -- that lawsuit is as fun as everything else that you can read about donald trump. >> let me put this on the screen too. we got new poll numbers this week in the trend of the donald trump surge continues. this is the newest fox news poll. donald trump 18%. jeb bush at 14%. rand paul 8%. carson 6. you see how trump has stolen the

thunder in the race. robert costa, we're three weeks away now. doing the countdown on the show until the first republican debate. what is the rest of the republican field saying about the donald trump surge? do they all believe this is a temporary thing that's going to go away? or are they starting to say maybe this has more staying power than we thought. >> they think this has more staying power than they'd like to believe a few weeks ago. the washington post scoop that crews are trying to woo him. if he doesn't continue to the primariries. he could get some support. if you're ben carson rand paul. ted cruz on the hard right side of the gop, trump is an immediate threat. not only on the debate stage but among the momentum of grass-roots activists. >> did you ever think you would be covering a story like this? >> donald trump is at 18% with

republican voters. these are the same people who put herman cain higher than that, okay. and michele bachmann higher than that. sarah palin higher than that. these are, you know -- these people, these republican voters at this stage go through a really interesting fantasy exercise now every four years with fantasy figures. >> you wonder -- a crowded field. >> robert. >> i was saying lawrence i'm curious about your view. in a crowded field, i agree, trump could flame out. he could be a herman cain bachmann figure. in a crowded field, 15% or 20% could carry you pretty far. >> yeah. i think there is no reason to suspect he would drop out before they start counting votes in several states. i mean his campaign will not be expensive at all. there is nothing for him to spend money on except the flying. if you look at the spending report it's all about flying donald from place to place. they can afford to do that. no need for him to buy any tv

ads. >> he said this too, he said i got more attention sitting in trump tower than they got in the parades -- >> tv ad. he is the only kentucky derbycandidate where a tv ad will not be a better presentation of him on tv than him on tv. that's what it is for all the rest of them. the rest of them are not as good on tv as their ads. >> that is rare. that's a powerful thing in politics. my thanks to lawrence o'donnell for getting up early. we can make our own doughnuts. >> i'm going to boston to the original dunkin' donuts store. >> were is it? >> in quincy. which is also the location of where the original howard johnson's. >> favorite flavor? >> i want to say something here. dunkin' donuts sells a lot of stuff that isn't doughnuts. and that's good. and that's kind of a little healthier for you. so there is plenty of reason to

go to dunkin' donuts other than the doughnuts. obviously especially the coffee. >> lawrence is on his way to quincy. still ahead. our big reveal the "up" doughnut. hard at work in the doughnut center. we'll find out what that looks like. first, not even his closest staffers knew where mark sanford disappeared to. this story. a behind the scenes look at the confusion and chaos when the then-governor of south carolina said he was hiking on the appalachian trail. trip down memory lane for somebody who was up close for all of it. that is next. stay with us.

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his office. >> he had been gone thursday friday, saturday sunday. monday by this point. he had not spoken to anyone on his staff. he was not answering text messages or phone calls. he had not transferred power to his lieutenant governor. and this was starting to get weird. >> oh my god! anybody is running south carolina! the palmetto state is a rudderless ship! >> of course it was a day later, nearly a week after he vanished, the truth about his disappearance and about sanford himself emerged. he was instead in argentina visiting his mistress. >> i hurt you all. i hurt my wife. i hurt my boys. i hurt friends like tom davis. i hurt a lot of different folks. um and all i can say that i apologize. >> while sanford, who is now a congressman, finished his term out as governor he resigned as

chairman of the republican governor's association and eventually divorced his wife jenny. the very public news conference aired on tvs nationwide. what was going on within sanford's administration with the staffers who were as out of the loop as the rest of us as all of this drama played out for the world to see. barton swain was a speechwriter for sanford. he discusses his experience in the new book -- speech writer. bart, let me ask you this. what's the first thing you said to governor sanford when he came back from the quote-unquote appalachian trail? >> i don't think i talked to him for several days. didn't want to. it -- those were the most bizarre days of my life and several others of us. it was like for a week i would wake up every day and think, i had the craziest dream that the governor -- oh yeah that happened. i don't remember what i said to him. >> so when in this drama did you

realize there was a problem here? >> well he liked to -- he would go away from time to time like you know like any boss would. i think it's fair to say to say that he's a difficult boss to work for. i talk about that a little bit in the book, you know, in a fun way. and when media came and started asking questions about where is he? where is he? i remember thinking don't ask that. he'll come back. when he was gone i actually could get things done and it was a little more pleasant in the office, to be honest. so i didn't know anything about anything until five minutes before he gave that very weird press conference. and somebody said what he was going to say would be disappointing. so i thought, that's not good. it was a comical -- go ahead. >> what was he telling you guys when he came back? was he saying don't worry. we can ride this out.

we'll be fine. did he recognize the gravity of the situation? >> well i open the book with the scene maybe a day or two after when he addressed the staff, and i can see that he wanted to apologize to us all, because he kind of made you know, us all a laughing stock in a way, but he just couldn't -- he just couldn't bring himself to do it. and he told us that well the sun came up that day and he'd be reading victor franco's memoir of being in a concentration camp, and at least we're not in a concentration camp. the strangest things i ever heard. so i guess we could be grateful for that. and then the talk was over. that was the apology. >> well i'm glad you can still laugh at it six years later like the rest of us. it's such a bizarre story and such an interesting book that you've written. barton swain author of "the speechwriter speechwriter." of course mark sanford is back now, he's in congress.

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you. >> what have you got? >> i'm not as inventive as the rest of you and i do love sprinkles so i have a lot of them. >> the big moment take a look at the "up" doughnut. what have we got here? >> this is a boston cream, which is steve's favorite and this is how the pros do it with a beautiful "up" decoration on top. >> they're boxed and everything. these are beautiful. do you want to just throw a sprinkle sandwich? >> i think we should. >> i hope we gave you new ideas today that you can take back to dunkin' donuts university and turn out some new products. >> i'm getting you some aprons. >> thank you for being here. this is cool and very exciting to have. thanks to our panelists for the day. we'll have a lot to eat afterwards. thank you all for being with us. thank you for getting up with us today and join us tomorrow sunday morning, 8:00 a.m. eastern time. that full interview with senator chuck schumer of new york, the one everyone wants to hear from on the iran deal and so much

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